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Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

2019-04-26T07:37:26Z

Black Eagle: /* Backing up save data */

So what's the change in the decision? Did Evkl change his mind? I think these combined pages are going to be crowded when listing differences. And it makes other pages like Green, Yellow, and Emerald stick out.

The differences can be listed in separate articles, if they are going to be at all. A summary can be given on this main article, like '''Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver have different sets of wild Pokémon obtainable.''' But, I think such a list can be presented compactly like this:

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" style="margin: auto; border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! width="50%" | Gold-only
! width="50%" | Silver-only
|-
| colspan="2" |
* a
* b
* c
|-
|
* d
* e
* f
|
* g
* h
* i
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! colspan="2" | Also in Crystal
|-
|
* k
* l
* m
|
* n
* o
* p
|}

Of course, you could vastly simplify it since we aren't discussing Pokémon Crystal. Here's the logic to decide which Pokémon goes where: If a Pokémon is in:
* all 3: don't list.
* none of the 3: don't list.
* in Gold and Silver only: list with '''a b c'''
* in Gold only: list with '''d e f'''
* in Silver only: list with '''g h i'''
* in Gold and Crystal only: list with '''k l m'''
* in Silver and Crystal only: list with '''n o p'''

I think we shouldn't compare with the third of the series in these paired articles though, that can be done in the article for the third game itself.

I can't really think of any other major differences that would require such a detailed explanation though.

For large chunks of information common to all games in a series, perhaps create another article like '''Generation III Hoenn''' or '''Generation II Kanto'''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 11:10, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Blatant lies==
''Gold and Silver also introduced the concept of [[evolution]] by [[Methods of evolution|methods]] other than [[level]]ing, using an [[evolutionary stone]], or [[Trade|trading]].''

I removed this sentence, since evolutionary stones and trade evolutions were quite obviously already introduced in Generation I. -[[User:Pat|Pat]] 06:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:That's not what it said. It said that GSC introduced new evo methods other than leveling, stones, or trading. It did ''not'' say that it introduced stones and trading as new evo methods other than leveling. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

::Haha. Oh, I'm a douche. -[[User:Pat|Pat]] 03:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum?==

isn't it a bit strange that its Diamond/Gem Pearl/Gem Platinum/Metal?
now lets Look at this

Gold/Metal Silver/Metal? The name hints it!!

OR they could be pulling a Crystal on Us? [[User:Dakclaw|Dakclaw]] 07:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:What are you saying? That Plantinum is the GS remake? I'd doubt it, why would Johto have a Spear Pillar? Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:51 17 May 2008'''''

:: What i'm Saying is that in Crystal at the end of the game you can travel to Kanto maybe in Platinum ::you can travel to Johto at the end of the game [[User:Dakclaw|Dakclaw]] 07:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No. That would be terrible, I hate Gen II Kanto and it would destroy any chancce of GSDS. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:::So tell me, Dakclaw, what does Crystal have to do with Red, Blue, Green and Yellow? Last time I checked, Crystal/Gem and RedBlueGreenYellow/Colors. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:58 17 May 2008'''''
::::Crystal's not even a gem, it's a molecular structure. Anyway... I see what Dakclaw means, with Platinum's name possibly being yet another GSDS hint. But I seriously doubt you'd be able to visit Johto in Platinum... I mean, you could access Kanto in GS, so of course you could access it in Crystal. Why would it be "pulling a Crystal" if we couldn't visit it in DP?
::::Also, this discussion doesn't seem relevant to the article. We'd better stop it before we get in trouble with Sketchies; take it to the forums instead. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 08:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==Red not a reference to Special?==
It says that Red's team references Red from Special by including a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Espeon - is this true? It seems more likely (to me, at least) that it's a fairly generic team based on Generation 1 - he has all four starting Pokemon from Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, and the two non-legendary Pokemon that could be found outside of random encounters (though the Eevee has evolved). Does anyone else agree that Red's team referencing Special should be removed from the article?
:I agree. This subject has also come up in the [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Red's Pikachu]] article. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 15:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Surely it's the other way round, as so much of Special is based on the games? For instance, Gold and Red going to battle at Mt. Silver and Lance telling Silver that he needs to treat his Pokemon with more care. I mean, he doesn't get the team exactly like Red in GS until the GS arc in the manga. I thought it was pretty obvious that Red's manga team is based on his team in Generation II as opposed to the other way around.

=='''Glitches'''==

:I read through the article and didn't find anything on the GS glitch that clones pokémon and I was wondering if it should be added or if there was a reason that it was not added. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Greenmcr}} ([[User talk:Greenmcr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmcr|contribs]]) ''

== Internal clock "glitch" - Ruby/Sapphire? ==

The internal clock wore out the game cartridge's battery faster, reducing the time it would last to about 6 years. Ruby/Sapphire has an internal clock (inside Brandon's bedroom, and the internal one that tells how long berries will take to grow). Will the same start to happen to R/S/E? [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 17:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:What internal clock glitch? I've had my copy of Silver for a little over 8 years, and it still keeps time just fine...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
::Besides, even if such issue is real, it isn't definitely a glitch and simply a problem of a battery that wore out. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's less a glitch than simple wear. In a fit of nostalgia inspired by hearing about HG/SS, I dragged out all my old games and was heartbroken to find the saves of GSC gone. Fortunately (and somewhat ironically since it's a fair bit older) I found my Yellow save happily intact. I'd guess that eventually, yes, the internal batteries of RSE will wear out, but it seems to me to be less of an issue since migrating forward is an option - an option that will hopefully be retained as long as Pokemon lives. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::RSE saves via flash memory, as does FRLG. The battery in RSE is for the clock alone. RBY's saves are in danger, however, and will die eventually, but not for a long time after GSC has, since their batteries took care of both the time ''and'' the save. And DPPtHGSS don't have anything other than flash memory, no batteries period in those carts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good to know they fixed a design flaw. I know less about the actual media of the games than I probably should. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::There's good news though: the internal batteries in GameBoy cartriges can be replaced. I found a video on YouTube showing how to do it (on a copy of Silver) However, I wouldn't recommend trying this unless you know exactly what you're doing! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

umm...correction its [Brendan]] not Brandon...hehe[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 11:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Plot ==

What's up with the plot section? I don't know much about the plot of that game but it just stops after the player battles Morty for the Fog Badge. He's only the fourth Gym Leader! It doesn't even mention the last four Leaders or the Elite Four or the player going to Kanto. I don't know the plot of this game so could someone fill it in. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's all good, friend. The plot has been expanded on, and now I'm putting the finishing touches on it. once it's done, you may edit it as you see fit. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 20:03 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::UPDATE. Um.....yeah. When I tried to edit the page, I guess it didn't process well. It seems we need to break the page up into smaller sections. I suggest we have a separate article called "Pokémon Gold and Silver Plot Synopsis".[[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 21:09 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Never mind. I slept on the idea, and I decided it was incredibly dumb. I'll just wait for someone else to finish this page. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 12:19 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Names ==

Wasn't this the first pokémon game to give trainers names? [[User:Metalucario|Metalucario]]
:Absolutely right. This was mentioned on the [[Generation II]] article, but I've added it here as well. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== I've noticed something... ==

Does anyone notice that when you catch a Pokémon, the Poké Ball has its palette colors?
Such as, if you catch a Pikachu, the ball is red and yellow.
Pikachu is yellow and has red electric sacs.
Not very important, but I think it's neat how it's like that. --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 00:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. Use of the Game Boy Color. I think it did that in Yellow, too, but I'm not sure. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::I'll check later.
::Edit: Yes, it does it in Yellow. --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 03:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Name Rater x2 ==

Did it occur that Gold, Silver where the first games to have ''two'' Name Raters as compared to one per game. This is obivously because Gold & Silver have two regions, not one. I was just wondering if that's good triva for the page.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritmaster]] 15:11:29 23 August 2009(UTC)

== Language Differences ==
I've seen on other places on Bulbapedia that there are some interesting differences between the Japanese and the International Versions of Gold/Silver, most notably swapping Teddiursa and Phanpy families around, but also some sprite differences for trainers and Pokémon. Is there a way these changes could be listed somewhere?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 13:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
==Cloning Glitch==
was the glitch purposely placed as it appears in other games?[[User:(insertUser:(ScarletScarabX)|(ScarletScarabX)]] 00:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Plot ==

Is it just me, or is the "Plot" section waaaay too long and over-detailed? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:I just edited it. It's now much more encyclopedic and much less wordy. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 23:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::It's still pretty seriously long and detailed. Anyone mind if I slim it down and cut out a lot of the overdetail? [[User:Adalina|Adalina]] 15:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

==References==

Why doesn't the "references" tag at the bottom work? I tried trimming down the page under the 32kb limit (didn't save), and the links still aren't showing up. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 17:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
''Lugia and Ho-Oh are the only version mascots to be classified as "secret" Pokémon in the Generation IV games. This is due to the fact that, prior to the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, they were unobtainable in the Generation III and IV handheld games without an event.'' —This doesn't really seem to belong on this page. [[User:Slimey01|'''Slimey''']][[User talk:Slimey01|'''01''']] 00:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Battery Life ==

My version of Silver has stubbornly maintained it falsely set internal clock for 10 years now - no signs of battery depletion. (When I was a smaller kid I did not understand the difference of am and pm...so you can imagine.) Are there any differences between versions? And if the game cartridge is in GameBoy Color, can it use the batteries of the console instead? Or do I just happen to have an above-average copy of this game? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 18:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

== Changing your time ==

Apparently this article is missing the somewhat-secret feature that allowed you to change your time, provided you entered the correct 'secred code' (based on Trainer ID & current Money not deposited at home). This is especially interesting, as you could somewhat 'cheat' yourself infinite amounts of PP Ups, Exp Shares and/or Masterballs in conjunction with the [[Lucky Channel]], provided you happen to be lucky enough to manage to get a matching draw. (You then proceed to change the time, which somewhat resetted the obtained-your-prize boolean on the Lucky Channel as well, without resetting the week´s lucky ID. Rinse, repeat and profit.) [[User:ForTheLichKing!|FTLK]], [[User Talk:ForTheLichKing!|Talk!]], 09:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

== Event Pokémon ==

The article says that {{p|Celebi}} is the only Pokémon that can only be found via an event or cheating, but what about {{p|Mew}}? Wouldn't it have to come from an event (or cheating) too? --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 22:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

== Game Boy ==

Despite the fact that they say Game Boy Color on the box the games are actually Game Boy games, the page should reflect this.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 04:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

== Australian release date ==

Can someone help me pin down the actual Australian release date for this game? Wikipedia says September 4, 2000 (a full month earlier than the US, which - while I find a smug sense of satisfaction in it - is probably highly unlikely), every other source which lists a date assumes the same October 13, 2000 listed here, and going through archive.org's caches only lists info on pre-or-post stuff (Stadium RB, Crystal, RS, etc.) or otherwise redirects me to the US site. I am ''very'' sure it was before year's end, but I don't have any other leads to go on. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] ([[User talk:Frugali|talk]]) 04:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I went looking (through wayback machine as well) when I was adding sources for game release dates. I ended up giving up on it and moving on, and it bothers me too. At best I can confirm it was released after Spetember 6, 2000 ([http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?sid=kKLkM8y30aZBVnQ8qKTDVA%253d%253d&ncdctx=CPpD4eG%252fgKzEN6qsRgv%2bNh36LqzmhsoY8%252flLycYm9KheTi9ST2JdQEqBOGGdSDel]), making the WIkipedia date wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Unused memory game? ==

Look at this video at 9:36: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vyDk0erDw&t=9m36s link] [[User:Player01|Player01]] ([[User talk:Player01|talk]]) 20:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta#Game Corner]] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

== The title of the page should stay the same. ==

It has been suggested that the title of this article be renamed "Pokémon Gold and Silver." I'm okay with the suggestion, but even though other territories don't use the word "version," North America does, so we should refer to them by their full North American names. Thank you. [[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 23:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

== Missing Pokemon ==

I'm not sure how to efficiently edit it, nor do it if I did have the rates, but Staryu can be found in the Union Cave in at least the same pool Lapras can be found in using a super rod. I used it twice, and both times were Staryu's. I only saw it on Gold, but it's probably on Silver and/or Crystal as well. It doesn't even say that Staryu's can be found in the Union Cave on the II Gen Pokemon list at all, which is apparently incorrect. It's not that big of a deal, but I'd appreciate it if someone could fix this.
(Edit: I should also mention that I have no idea what the signature thing is, nor how to do, nor why it matters. It looked far too complicated and irrelevant. :b) {{unsigned|Aqualegend}}
:It's really easy to add a signature. In the future, type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to automatically add your signature. We do this to keep track of who says what, and when. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 02:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

== Battery life and cartridge battery replacements ==

:"''The battery is replaceable with another one of the same kind (a CR2025), or a CR2032, which is slightly thicker and lasts longer. Since it powers the save file, interrupting the power by removing the battery will cause any current save file to be lost. Third party devices such as the GameShark may offer ways to backup and restore the save file.''"
This passage is found on this article and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Crystal_Version#Battery_life the respective section of Crystal]. I find this passage problematic for several reasons:
#Removing the battery '''will''' cause the current save file to be erased. This is only partly true: providing 3V to the cartridge will keep the save intact. This can be achieved by attaching an auxiliary battery pack (such as two AA in series) or power supply in parallel with the original battery.
#If the cartridge is powered from the game console (such as GB, GBC or GBA) the battery can be removed safely because the console is keeping the memory powered.
#The article mentions GameShark as a means to preserve a save file. It is not an official Nintendo product, expensive and hard to come by. I personally find it problematic that the wiki article indirectly endorses a laborous third party solution '''that doesn't even solve the problem because you still need to replace the battery on the cartridge in order to save on it again'''. Assuming a reader has the skills and equipment to replace the battery then they definitely have the means to power the cartridge while replacing the battery.
I propose that the wording be changed to "''Removing the battery will cause the current save file to be erased unless the cartridge memory remains powered by external means.''" This way it is accurate and at worst is an equal liability to the cartridge as using GameShark would be. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 12:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:This sounds like a good idea to me. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

== European release dates ==

It was released in Sweden on [https://web.archive.org/web/20010210071941/http://www.nintendo-se.com:80/ok/arkivet/game_boy_color/game_boy_color.asp April 6, 2001]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

== Is it worth mentioning that phone calls can happen during Sleep mode? ==

When I've opened my 3DS, I've gotten phone calls in the game. I also want to know if sleep mode "pauses" the roamer's location & if we should mention that. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:For roamers, at least, sleep mode shouldn't have any effect because our [[Roaming Pokémon]] article notes that their location only changes as the player moves to a new area, not after a certain amount of time. (Unless that article is wrong...?) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it is wrong; when I played as a kid, I kept checking the Pokedex to make sure it was still there. And sometimes after checking, Entei moved to another place. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Oh, what about the Bug-catching contest? Does Sleep mode affect that too? I'd test it myself, but unfortunately, I've my own time restrictions on games now. :( [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::::...I don't believe "Sleep mode" does anything, at all, for the VC games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, it pauses the "time played" thing, but not the game's clock. That's what made me ask. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 13:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::Neither Sleep mode nor the home menu pauses the bug catching timer. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== 3DS Virtual Console - GBC Mystery Gift ==

Since Mystery Gift in the Virtual Console versions of Gold/Silver still uses Infrared Communication, has anyone tested if Gold/Silver played on the 3DS Virtual Console can use Mystery Gift with Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal on the Game Boy Color via the infrared ports on the Game Boy Color or Nintendo 3DS, respectively? If this is the case, can the Virtual Console Versions still link with the Pokémon Pikachu 2 GS? [[User:Pokemonred200|Pokemonred200]] ([[User talk:Pokemonred200|talk]]) 23:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
:Apparently, people have tried between 3DS VC and GBC. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't work. Consequently, I doubt it would work for Pokémon Pikachu 2 either. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
::What I find strange is that in Mystery Gift, the home button is disabled; something that usually only happen during communications in the VC games. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 11:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Backing up save data ==

The article mentions that GameShark can be used to back up and restore save data, but this claim is false. I'm guessing that whoever wrote that meant the Mega Memory Card, not the GameShark. (Both devices superficially look the same, and I think they were both made by the same company. But apart from that, they are entirely different devices. The GameShark cannot be used to back up or restore the save data.)

Also, it might be worth mentioning that there are also some third-party devices out there that allow you to plug your game cartridge into your computer in order to back up / restore the save file (SRAM) that way. (I personally use the Joey Joebags from Benn Venn.) [[User:Dannyjenn|D]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 15:22, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

:You are likely correct. I picked that information up from an article dealing with the issue. Sadly I never seem to have written down the source. Perhaps it should be changed to "third party devices" and not mention any brands or manufacturers? Now that I think about it the whole section is kind of out of place because Bulbapedia isn't really a DIY guide. However, Bulbapedia can and should document problems and properties of said problems so some aspects of battery life and possible remedies that have been attempted should be documented. [[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 07:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

:I've now re-edited the passage to a more encyclopedic tone. Let's see if it sticks. [[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 07:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon Crystal Version

2019-04-26T07:36:02Z

Black Eagle: /* Battery life */ formatting towards a more encyclopedic style (copied from S/G section)

{{Infobox game | colorscheme=crystal|bordercolorscheme=crystal
|name=Pokémon Crystal Version
|jname=ポケットモンスター　クリスタルバージョン
|boxart=Crystal EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Crystal Version's boxart, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Suicune}}.
|jbox=Crystal JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Crystal Version.
|platform=[[Game Boy Color]] [[Nintendo 3DS]] ([[Virtual Console]])
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]], [[Infrared|IR]]{{tt|*|Game Boy Color only}}, [[Pokémon Mobile System GB|Mobile]]{{tt|*|Japanese version only}}
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation II]] [[core series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|acb=G8+
|oflc=G8+
|pegi=12
|release_date_ja=December 14, 2000 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-crystal/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref> January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|release_date_na=July 29, 2001 (Game Boy)<ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon Crystal Version | Pokémon Video Games]</ref> January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|release_date_au=September 30, 2001 (Game Boy) January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|release_date_eu=November 2, 2001 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref> January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|release_date_hk=January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|release_date_tw=January 26, 2018 (3DS VC)
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-crystal/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/bxpj/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (US)] [http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)] [https://web.archive.org/web/20011004060207/http://www.nintendo.com/games/gamepage/gamepage_main.jsp?gameId=669 Nintendo.com] [https://web.archive.org/web/20010722021710/http://pokemoncrystal.com/ Pokémon Crystal.com]
}}
{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Crystal}}

'''Pokémon Crystal Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター　クリスタルバージョン''' ''Pocket Monsters: Crystal Version'') is the third and final [[Generation II]] [[core series]] game for [[Game Boy Color]]. It was released as a sister game to {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, which were released one year before. It was released in Japan on December 14, 2000, in North America on July 29, 2001, and in Europe on November 2, 2001.

It featured various fixes and some new additions, most notably the introduction of the option to {{player|play}} as a {{ga|Kris|girl}}. It takes place in the region of [[Johto]] like Gold and Silver, with access to [[Kanto]] granted later in the game, with the player's starting town being [[New Bark Town]].

The Japanese version had far more new features, all related to a {{wp|mobile phone}}-related linking technology usable through the [[Pokémon Mobile System GB]] when connecting a [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter]] to a [[Game Boy Color]] or [[Game Boy Advance]] (original or [[Game Boy Advance SP|SP]]).

The game was released on the [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] on January 26, 2018.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
The player is called to [[Professor Elm]]'s lab to run an errand. He provides the player with one of three Pokémon: {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}} to help him/her get to [[Mr. Pokémon]]'s house. He/She meets [[Kanto]]'s own [[Professor Oak]] during the errand for Elm. Oak, convinced that the player has started his/her own Pokémon journey, gives him/her a [[Pokédex]]. On the way back, the player is attacked by a spiteful and {{ga|Silver|mysterious Pokémon Trainer}}. Upon his/her return to New Bark Town, the player is informed that someone has broken into Professor Elm's lab and has stolen a Pokémon, the same Pokémon that the Trainer from earlier battled with (the Pokémon that the player's starter is weak against); even more so, that very same Trainer fits the description of the Pokémon thief. This Trainer will become the player's [[rival]] for the course of the game, having several conflicts with the player as to what it means to be the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer.

[[Team Rocket]] has returned with a new attitude, since the disappearance of their leader [[Giovanni]], and once again tries to take over the world, starting with the [[Johto]] region. They begin with petty things (such as cutting off the tails of {{p|Slowpoke}} to sell as food for a high price) before becoming more devious, such as a plan to use radio frequencies to artificially induce evolution in some Pokémon at the Lake of Rage near Mahogany town. When the player defeats or captures the [[Red Gyarados|Red]] {{p|Gyarados}} rampaging in the lake, [[Lance]] will arrive and congratulate the player for his/her battling and requests that the player help him find the source of the radio signals. When the player returns to Mahogany town and enters the Souvenir Shop, he/she will find Lance and his {{p|Dragonite}} threatening the man in the shop. A secret door will open to the Rocket base, which was revealed by a Rocket Grunt to be an old ninja hideout. After the player defeats the Rocket Executive found in the hideout, Lance asks the player to help him knock out the Electrode powering the machine producing the radio waves.

After completing this task, Lance thanks the player and gives him/her the HM {{m|Whirlpool}}. After the player defeats [[Pryce]] - the leader of Mahogany Gym - Professor Elm will call the player and tell him/her about unusual broadcasts from the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Radio Tower]] in [[Goldenrod City]]. When the player reaches Goldenrod City, it is revealed that Team Rocket has taken over the Radio Tower, their intent being to try to contact their missing leader, [[Giovanni]], and persuade him to return to Team Rocket. Also, the Director of the Goldenrod station has been kidnapped and replaced by an impostor. After the player defeats the impostor, he will tell him/her the location of the real Director. When the player frees the real Director, he will give the player the Card Key, which opens the door on 3F of the Radio Tower and leads to the Rocket Executive currently in charge of the group. The player defeats the executive and Team Rocket officially disbands for a second time. The Director rewards the player with a [[Clear Bell]].

Throughout the adventure, the player will also come across {{p|Suicune}}, a Legendary Pokémon that traverses Johto after the player awakens the three [[Legendary beasts]] from their sleep at the [[Burned Tower]]. Unlike {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}, Suicune takes notice of the player; similarly, [[Eusine]] shows interest in Suicune, having sought it for ten years and finally catching a glimpse of it thanks to the player. As Eusine challenges the player to a battle near [[Cianwood City]], it becomes clear that Eusine wants to earn Suicune's respect so that he can find out what it is that it looks after. However, it is when the player is entrusted with the Clear Bell that the {{tc|Sage|Wise Trio}} allow them to enter the Tin Tower, where Suicune has arrived to put them to the test. Later in the story, after the player has proven their ability to touch the souls of Pokémon by catching all three of the Legendary beasts, {{p|Ho-Oh}} returns to the Tin Tower after 150 years of testing humans from afar.

As in all previous games, the main goal of the player is to defeat all the [[Gym Leader]]s of Johto, win all eight Badges, and take on the {{jo|Elite Four}} and the current [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]]. Afterward, the player will be able to travel to the region of [[Kanto]] and take on the Kanto Gym Leaders for their Badges. After winning all eight Badges, Professor Oak will give the player permission to go to [[Mt. Silver]] and face the protagonist from [[Generation I]], {{ga|Red}}.
{{endspoilers}}

==Blurb==
The latest in the Gold & Silver series! Travel back to the world of Johto as the Gold & Silver series continues with brand new features! Whether you're reading the fresh descriptions in your Pokédex, using the unique sort function to organize your Pokémon in new ways, watching the all-new battle animations, or discovering another way to capture {{p|Suicune}}, you'll need all of your Poké-skills to master Pokémon Crystal on your Game Boy Color!
* Unlock the mysteries of the {{p|Unown}}! All-new puzzles and rewards await you in the Ruins of Alph!
* Fight through the Battle Tower, a challenging tournament featuring Johto's best trainers!
* For the first time, play as a male or female trainer!
* Trade with Gold, Silver, Red, Blue, and Yellow versions to catch 'em all!
* Compatible with Pokémon Stadium 2 for the Nintendo 64!

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
* A female [[player character]], {{ga|Kris}}, is introduced, marking the first time players can choose the gender of their character. The choice is purely aesthetic and does not affect gameplay or the story.
* When entering a location, its name is displayed on-screen. This feature is carried forward in all subsequent games.
* Several locations have had their graphics altered:
** The [[Goldenrod Game Corner]] and [[Celadon Game Corner]] are both redesigned with a different color scheme and a new design for the slot machines.
** The [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] has a subtly different color scheme, and the second floor has been largely redesigned with the addition of [[Buena]]'s studio and new furniture.
** The pond in [[National Park]] now has a fountain in the center, and a drinking fountain is added next to the benches in the south of the park.
** The [[Burned Tower]] is appears as a visibly burnt out building on the exterior. The interior is now dark and has a different layout.
** The exterior of the [[Glitter Lighthouse]] has altered, with a new window design at the top making it more distinctly resemble a lighthouse.
** The [[Ice Path]] is redesigned with a bright blue ice-like appearance. Some of the puzzles within have also been altered.
** [[Lance]]'s room at the [[Indigo Plateau]] now has a draconic appearance, with the generic statues in the room being replaced with {{p|Dratini}} statues.
** The restaurants in [[Olivine City]], [[Celadon City]], and [[Fuchsia City]] feature a new design with a different color scheme.
** In the [[Celadon Condominiums|Celadon Mansion]], there is an [[Easter egg]] on the right side of the staircase that leads up from the roof's entrance/exit. Interacting with this wall yields the text "''There's {{wp|graffiti}} on the wall... <Player> added a moustache!''"
[[File:CrystalBattle.png|frame|right|Pokémon sprites are now animated.]]
* Pokémon sprites have been updated:
** Front sprites for every Pokémon now play a short animation upon entering battle and a longer one when the Pokémon's profile is viewed. This feature wasn't carried forward again until {{game|Emerald}}.
** While most of the Pokémon retain their sprites from either Gold or Silver, certain Pokémon, such as {{p|Houndoom}} and {{p|Croconaw}}, were given new ones. This includes some Pokémon who had identical sprites in both Gold and Silver, like {{p|Sneasel}} and {{p|Suicune}}.
** The W {{p|Unown}} was redesigned, and its new design is used in all subsequent games.
** A few Pokémon, such as {{p|Spinarak}}, {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Sneasel}}, were recolored to more closely match their official artwork.
** Several of the Pokémon that were redrawn have different back sprites.
* Certain Trainers have different dialogue to Gold and Silver.
* Raikou, Entei, and Suicune have their own unique battle theme when the player encounters them in the wild, making Crystal the first game to sport special [[Legendary Pokémon]] battle music.
* The user interface used during Game Link Cable trades was redesigned. Gold and Silver used a simple black on white trading interface that was identical to the one used in the [[Generation I]] games, mainly to retain compatibility with older [[Game Boy]] systems. In Crystal, the menus were revamped with full color on a black background, a design which better suits the capabilities of the Game Boy Color.

===Location changes===
* Grass is now present on the eastern side of {{rt|36|Johto}}, west of [[Violet City]]. In this grass, {{p|Growlithe}} can be caught, allowing players to acquire a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon much earlier than in other versions (assuming they did not [[Starter Pokémon|choose]] {{p|Cyndaquil}}), and making a large difference in the availability of Fire-types for areas like the [[Azalea Gym]] and the [[Sprout Tower]], where Fire-types are super effective.
* Just like in the {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Pokémon Blue}} and all releases of {{game|Yellow}}, changes are made to available [[wild Pokémon]]:
** Several Pokémon that were exclusive to either Gold or Silver, like {{p|Gligar}} and {{p|Skarmory}}, can be found in Crystal. But certain species that were available in both versions, like the {{p|Mareep}} family, are not available in Crystal.
** {{p|Sneasel}} appears in the [[Ice Path]], whereas in Gold and Silver it can only be found in [[Mt. Silver]].
** {{p|Magmar}} can no longer be found in the [[Burned Tower]], instead appearing exclusively in Mt. Silver.
** Some of the wild Pokémon that appear in [[Kanto]] have been altered.
** [[Pokémon outbreak]]s can now only occur with one of three Pokémon as opposed to one of seven. {{p|Tauros}}, {{p|Marill}} and {{p|Snubbull}} are now easily available in the wild, and the latter was relocated.
** Some Pokémon that are available at all times of the day in Gold and Silver, like {{p|Smeargle}} or {{p|Tauros}}, are now purely [[Diurnal Pokémon|diurnal]] or [[Nocturnal Pokémon|nocturnal]].
* Some trainer placements in the overworld have been adjusted.
* Several new Trainers have been added, some of which can only be battled when certain conditions are met. For example, Pokéfan Jaime on {{rt|39|Johto}} can only be battled at night. Some of these new trainers won't lock eyes with the player, and when spoken to won't play the "encounter" music before engaging in battle.
* The [[Goldenrod Department Store]] features a new rooftop area. Sales are periodically held here, which the player is informed about if Camper Todd's number is registered in the [[Pokégear]].
* The Flower shop in [[Goldenrod City]] has been relocated slightly further from the main street and decorated with flowers, making it stand out from the surrounding buildings.
* A {{Gdis|Battle Tower|II}}, the first in the series, is now present to the north of {{rt|40|Johto}}.
* [[Cianwood City]] has been slightly expanded further northwards, with the addition of the Poké Seer's house and a small ledge.
* The layout of [[Mt. Mortar]] is significantly different compared to Gold and Silver.
* The [[Dragon's Den]] has received several alterations: the Dragon Shrine can be entered, some {{m|Headbutt}} trees are added directly behind Shrine, and the Den itself is now populated with trainers.

===Gameplay changes===
* {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}} can only be caught after completing the game and reaching Kanto. They are both at level 60.
** Ho-Oh can be caught after {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} are all caught and Eusine is spoken to in [[Celadon City]].
** Lugia can be caught after obtaining the [[Silver Wing]] in [[Pewter City]], like in Pokémon Gold.
* Changes have been made to the [[Ruins of Alph]]. This includes more common {{p|Unown}}, as well as a new subplot—completing enough puzzles allows the player to read a secret message left behind by the Unown. It suggests that the Unown were left behind by the ancient civilization that constructed the Ruins of Alph, and that the statues that line the interior were made by those people.
* Trainers who call the player on the [[Pokégear#Phone|cell phone]] now have distinct personalities (one talks about shopping, another about grooming etc.), and call for reasons other than battling, such as giving the player items, or informing them of a rare Pokémon appearing (Wade gives the player [[Berry|Berries]], Alan gives them a [[Fire Stone]], etc.). In Gold and Silver they all say the same phrase, with only the names of the Pokémon they reference changing.
* A new radio show, [[Buena's Password]], has been added. Players can listen out for a password on their [[Pokégear]] radio and tell Buena the password to receive points, which can be spent to redeem prizes.
* The function to reset the clock in non-Japanese and non-Korean versions of Gold and Silver remains, although it is now more difficult to access.
** On the title screen, the player must first hold the '''↓''', '''SELECT''', and '''B''' buttons.
** While holding '''SELECT''', they must release '''↓''' and '''B'''.
** Still holding '''SELECT''', they must now hold '''←''' and '''↑'''.
** Finally, the player must release '''SELECT'''.
* [[Kurt]] can now make multiple Balls from same colored [[Apricorn]]s simultaneously.
* The [[Odd Egg]] can be obtained from the Day-Care Man after speaking to him for the first time.
* Some Pokémon have changed level-up movesets; however, all {{p|Suicune|but one}} of them have only one change.
* Some bugs with the battle mechanics were fixed; however, the game performs a check when it detects a Link battle to use the older and buggy mechanics in order to maintain compatibility with {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}. This occurs even between linked players of Pokémon Crystal games.
** Likewise, the game also performs a check that partially converts [[Kris]] into {{ga|Ethan}} at the Cable Club and [[Time Capsule]] rooms, even if all the players using the Cable Club rooms are specifically playing Pokémon Crystal.
* A Pokémon's [[friendship]] can be increased more effectively by training in the same location where the Pokémon has been caught or hatched.

===Storyline changes===
* The player must first meet the florist's assistant on {{rt|36|Johto}}, who then heads back to inform her boss about {{p|Sudowoodo|the strange tree blocking the path}}, before the [[Squirt Bottle|SquirtBottle]] can be obtained.
* Suicune, instead of being a side Legendary Pokémon, has a prominent role in the game's storyline. Awakening the Legendary Beasts is now a prerequisite for challenging Morty. After this, the player will constantly find Suicune in various locations throughout Johto. After receiving a [[Clear Bell]] (where in Gold and Silver, the [[Rainbow Wing|Rainbow]] or [[Silver Wing]] would be obtained instead), the player will have a chance to battle and capture it in the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]], and it will not run away.
* A new character, [[Eusine]], is added to the game. He is searching for {{p|Suicune}} as well, and will battle [[Player character|the player]] in [[Cianwood City]] to earn its respect.
* The chain of events to obtain the {{badge|Rising}} is altered. Whereas in Gold and Silver it involves a trip to the [[Dragon's Den]] to retrieve the [[Dragon Fang]], it now involves entering the Dragon Shrine within the Den. There, [[Clair]]'s grandfather and leader of the dragon-user clan quizzes the player on their style of battling. Clair arrives and still refuses to hand over her Badge after the player passes. In response, her grandfather threatens to tell her cousin, Lance, of whom Clair is terrified. If all the questions are answered correctly, the player will receive a {{p|Dratini}} that knows {{m|ExtremeSpeed}} upon returning and speaking with Clair's grandfather.

===Pokémon not found in Crystal===
These Pokémon must be traded from the other games of [[Generation I]] and {{gen|II}}, as they cannot be found in Pokémon Crystal.

Note that "'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''" indicates a Pokémon that can be caught in the {{game|Red and Green|s|Japanese Green}}, and thus in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Blue}} as well.

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{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{gold color}}; border:5px solid #{{silver color}}"
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! Found in Gold and Silver
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{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{gold color}}; border-collapse:collapse; background:white; margin:auto" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
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{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|179|Mareep|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|180|Flaaffy|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|181|Ampharos|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|203|Girafarig|2|Normal|Psychic|'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|223|Remoraid|1|Water||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|224|Octillery|1|Water||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
|}
|}
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{blue color}}; border:5px solid #{{red color}}"
|-
! Only in Generation I
|-
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{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{yellow color}}; border-collapse:collapse; background:white; margin:auto" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
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{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|004|Charmander|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|005|Charmeleon|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|006|Charizard|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|007|Squirtle|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|008|Wartortle|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|009|Blastoise|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|138|Omanyte|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|139|Omastar|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|140|Kabuto|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|144|Articuno|2|Ice|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|145|Zapdos|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|146|Moltres|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
|}
|}
|}

==Localization changes==
The localized releases of Crystal, while improving on the mechanics of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, did not reprise a number of newer features that the Japanese version had received:

* In the Japanese version, {{p|Celebi}} may be caught at [[Ilex Forest]] after completing a short side-mission. A special event requiring the [[Pokémon Mobile System GB]] allowed players to obtain the [[GS Ball]]. This item, given by a [[Pokémon Center Nurse|nurse]] at the [[Pokémon Communication Center]] in [[Goldenrod City]], may be taken to [[Kurt]] in [[Azalea Town]] to investigate. After a day passes, Kurt gives back the GS Ball to the player and asks him/her to check the restless Ilex Forest. Taking the GS Ball to the shrine at Ilex Forest summons a [[level]] 30 {{p|Celebi}} to {{pkmn|battle}}. Despite the fact that the GS Ball was unavailable overseas without [[cheating]] or hacking, the event was translated and adapted to the regular [[Pokémon Center]] in Goldenrod City of the Western releases of Crystal, indicating that it was intended for the localizations to include the event, but was later scrapped.
* Goldenrod City's Pokémon Center was replaced by a much larger building, the aforementioned Pokémon Communication Center. The localizations reverted it to the Pokémon Center of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} while changing some of the [[Non-player character|NPCs]] to match those in the Pokémon Communication Center.
* Players could link to [[trade]] or battle through the use of the [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter]] and the previously mentioned Pokémon Mobile System GB.
* Players could leave a Pokémon and a request for the Pokémon species that it be traded for at the Pokémon Communication Center's Trade Corner. A player could also view Pokémon up for trade from other players, and trade with them. This is similar to the current [[Global Trade System]] of the [[Generation IV]] and later games.
* The Pokémon News Machine at the Pokémon Communication Center updated over the Pokémon Mobile System GB. Pokémon News was compiled from the saved game data of players across Japan, allowing players to read about other players' adventures.
* The [[Day-Care Couple|Day-Care Man]] at the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|34|Johto}} gave an [[Egg Ticket]] which, when taken to the Trade Corner at the [[Pokémon Communication Center]], could be traded for an [[Odd Egg]] which hatched into a [[baby Pokémon]] that knows {{m|Dizzy Punch}} and has a 50% chance of being {{Shiny}}. In the localizations, the Day-Care Man instead gives away the Odd Egg himself and it only has a 14% chance of being Shiny.
* The {{gdis|Battle Tower|II}} does not connect to the Pokémon Mobile System GB in the localization versions and is open at all times.

==Differences in the Virtual Console release==
As with {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, the Crystal Virtual Console releases include a few changes:

* The Nintendo 3DS [[Virtual Console]] releases can [[#Connectivity|link]] with other Virtual Console Generation I and II core series games via Nintendo 3DS wireless communication, simulating the [[Game Link Cable]]. Like in the original releases, they can only communicate with the Virtual Console Generation I core series games by using the [[Time Capsule]]. Unlike the VC releases of Generation I games, closing the communication normally does not cause the emulator to restart, although it does restart if the communication was cut due to an error. When initiating a link, the Virtual Console menu on the touch screen replaces the Cable Club attendant's dialogue. Additionally, all of the [[Game Boy Printer]] features are disabled, although the option still appears in the Pokédex and the PC menu.
* [[Mystery Gift]] can be performed with other Virtual Console copies of Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal using the Nintendo 3DS system's [[infrared]] port. Unlike other link features, the user interface remains unchanged from the original games.
* Using [[Poké Transporter]], Pokémon can be sent from the Generation II core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]], and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.
* In battle, some moves had their animations changed slightly to tone down the flashing by dimming the screen, although this is not the case in all localized releases.
* In the Japanese release, {{p|Jynx}}'s sprite has been replaced with the sprite used in Western versions, as the original had previously fell under controversy for its resemblance to {{wp|blackface}}. In addition, due to the Pokémon Mobile System GB not being present, Japanese players are unable to use any of the features in the Pokémon Communication Center, access the {{gdis|Battle Tower|II}}, and receive the Egg Ticket to exchange for the Odd Egg.
* The event allowing the player to obtain the [[GS Ball]] and capture {{p|Celebi}} is activated by entering and leaving the [[Pokémon Communication Center]] (in the Japanese release) or the [[Pokémon Center]] in [[Goldenrod City]] (in non-Japanese releases) after entering the [[Hall of Fame]], without any additional requirements. Not only is this event now available to Japanese players outside of set dates, and to worldwide players at all, it also occurs earlier in the game, as the original Crystal release required the player to get all eight [[Kanto]] badges first.

==Legacy==
While Gold and Silver introduced the majority of Generation II's contributions to the game mechanics, Crystal also featured several additions to the franchise that continue into the future. First, Crystal introduced the option to play as a female character. The game also featured the first [[Move Tutor]] of the series, as well as the first {{Gdis|Battle Tower|II}}. This was the first game to include animated sprites for Pokémon, though this only applied to front sprites (back sprites remained still as they did in previous games). This feature was absent in later games until it was reintroduced in {{game|Emerald}}, after which it became standard. Back sprites did not become fully animated until {{game|Platinum}}, which also added animations for important Trainers such as [[Gym Leader]]s. In {{game|Black and White|s}}, sprites remain animated throughout the battle; before these games, Pokémon Crystal was the only game that had more than two frames per animation.

Even though {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were the first games to use [[Legendary Pokémon]] (specifically {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}) as [[game mascot]]s, it was Crystal that incorporated them into the plot for the first time. The story additions involving the [[Legendary beasts]] (most prominently {{p|Suicune}}), Ho-Oh and {{p|Unown}} were unprecedented, since up until then no Pokémon had been referenced in the dialogue on more than one occasion. This was also evident in the fact that the Legendary beasts received a unique battle theme, and in that the plot climax was no longer limited to thwarting [[Team Rocket]], instead culminating in the battle against Suicune at [[Tin Tower]]. Later generations focus on their game mascots as part of the plot involving the [[villainous team]] of the respective region (with the only exception being the remade versions; {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} follow {{game|Red and Green|s}}'s footsteps, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are similar to Crystal in keeping the two stories separated).

The Japanese version of Crystal notably introduced the ability to link to a wireless connection and interact with other characters (via cell phone). The [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter]] also enabled this ability in [[Generation III]] (albeit to a far lesser extent, due to the Wireless Adapter's limited range), and the Wi-Fi capabilities of the [[Nintendo DS]] completely optimized the concept in [[Generation IV]] games. The [[GS Ball]] event was the first time where an [[event Pokémon]] (in this case {{p|Celebi}}) could be caught in-game as opposed to being directly downloaded to the cartridge; this went on to be the case for several such Pokémon in subsequent generations.

==Reception==
Pokémon Crystal received good reviews, although they were not quite as positive as those of Pokémon Gold and Silver. Like Pokémon Yellow before it, and subsequently Pokémon Emerald, it was criticized for being too similar to its sister games, with {{wp|IGN}} commenting "there's not much in this edition that makes it a 'must buy' for folks who already own a copy or two of the previous editions."<ref name="IGN">[https://www.ign.com/articles/2001/07/30/pokemon-crystal-2 Pokémon Crystal - IGN]</ref> IGN still gave the game an "Amazing" rating of 9.0/10.<ref name="IGN"/> It holds an average score of 79.86% on {{wp|GameRankings}},<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/375087-pokemon-crystal-version/index.html Pokemon Crystal Version for Game Boy Color - GameRankings]</ref> about 10% lower than Pokémon Gold and Silver.<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/198308-pokemon-gold-version/index.html Pokémon Gold Version for Game Boy Color - GameRankings]</ref>

===Sales===
====Japanese sales====
Pokémon Crystal sold 549,135 units on its first week on the Japanese market. By December 31, 2006, the end of its 316th week, it had sold 1,550,698 copies.

==Battery life==
Cartridges of the [[Generation II]] games typically lose the ability to [[save]] in a shorter time frame than copies of other Pokémon games due to the battery maintaining both the saved game and {{wp|real-time clock}} data, causing it to drain quicker. A symptom of a battery running dry is the game's inability to keep track of the time correctly and the [[error message]] '''TIME NOT SET''' may also appear on the title screen.

The cartridge memory is powered by a {{wp|CR2025|CR2025}} or a {{wp|CR2032|CR2032}} battery. Since it powers the memory containing the save file, the battery running out or interrupting the power by removing the battery will cause any current save file to be erased and internal clock to be reset. External power sources and third party devices have been used to maintain or backup and restore the save file to and from an external memory or a personal computer.

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Crystal}}

==Flyers==
Dated October 31, 2000 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/index1.html source])
<gallery>
C flyer front.jpg|Front
C flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection}}
Most of the game's music comes from Pokémon Gold and Silver, which have not had any sort of official soundtrack release of the games' original tracks. The closest approximation to such a release is Disc 3 of ''Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection'', which is based on the [[GB Sounds]] item and the [[Pokémon Music Channel#Pokémon Past Archive|Pokémon Past Archive]] radio program of HeartGold and SoulSilver that is meant to emulate the style of chiptunes. However, not all of the old-style music is available on the CD. Additionally, Discs 1 and 2 of the aforementioned soundtrack contain remixes of the music originating from Pokémon Gold and Silver (and Crystal). Moreover, several tracks that are exclusive to Japanese Crystal have not received official releases.

==Version history==
===Japan===
Only one version was released.

===International===
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| Initial release (English version only)
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* Adds a new memory address for the page number value in the Pokédex, fixing a potential glitch.<ref name="Skeetendo">[http://hax.iimarck.us/post/6767/#p6767 What ROMs do we use? (Page 1) / Game Boy / Cross‐gen / Skeetendo]</ref>
* Unintentional encoding change. This corrupts the graphics in the unused [[Mobile Stadium]] screen<ref name="Skeetendo" /> (also applies to the non-English European localizations).
* Fixes a glitch in v1.0 in which {{gdis|Battle Tower|II}} Trainers use text belonging to the list of female Trainers only.<ref>[https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/700321a7fb2d6c852ffc91cc0b8867526cb76813/misc/battle_tower_47.asm Pokémon Crystal disassembly]</ref>
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==Development cycle==
{{main|Pokémon Crystal beta}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Pokemoncrystal.logo.png|thumb|An early logo for Japanese Crystal (the word ''kashō'' (仮称) means "tentative title")]]
[[File:Pokémon Crystal alt logo.png|thumb|English equivalent logo]]
* Although [[Game Freak]] released a game called ''[[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X]]'' for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] in 2013, the tentative title for a game similar to the Japanese version of Pokémon Crystal with planned support to [[Pokémon Mobile System GB|connect to a mobile phone]] and set for an April 2000 release was also ''Pocket Monsters X'' (ポケットモンスターＸ), according to multiple sources such as an {{wp|Asahi Shimbun}} news article from December 1999<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20000303153731/http://www.asahi.com/tech/news/19991216h.html ネット最前線：ニュース]</ref> and {{wp|IGN}}.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000303114916/http://pocket.ign.com/news/13341.html IGN]: Networking Pokémon (archive)</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20000815220050/http://pocket.ign.com/news/22176.html IGN]: The Cell Phone, GBA and Pokémon (archive)</ref> The game was postponed until 2001 due to the planned release of the [[Game Boy Advance]].<ref>[http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/news/0/old/log/38.htm ポケモン情報サイト「palette」過去ログ38 - ポケパレ！]</ref> The article mentions an [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter|adapter]] for linking a [[Game Boy]] to a mobile phone, with the datacenter server used for the feature being hosted by {{wp|Kyocera}} in {{wp|Kyoto}}.
* The Japanese logo shown at {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} 2000 was originally similar to the one from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/event/sw2000/itiran/mgb/soft/crystal/ ポケットモンスタークリスタル（仮称）]</ref> Additionally, the previous referred source also shows an early design for the [[PokéCom Club]] rooms.
** An English equivalent of this logo was created and used on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20010722063635/http://www.nintendo.dk:80/spil/pokemon/vis_sitetext.asp?SiteTextID=991&Language=1 Pokémon minisite hosted by Nintendo Denmark].
* People buying a [[Game Boy Color]] during the release of this game were given the option of buying a [[Game Boy Advance]] that came with Pokémon Crystal in the package.
* During battles, Japanese midline horizontal ellipses ("⋯") are used in the English versions instead of regular ellipses ("…") due to an oversight.
[[File:Pokemon Crystal UnusedTitleScreen.png|thumb|right|The unused title screen of Pokémon Crystal]]
* The game's opening shows several {{p|Unown}} communicating with {{p|Suicune}} over radio waves, alerting it to the [[Ruins of Alph]]. Oddly, this is not part of the game's story, with the Ruins of Alph sidequest being independent of the plot involving Suicune. That said, the Unown are referenced by the {{tc|Sage|Wise Trio}} as having a cooperative bond with Suicune.
** In the Japanese version, a researcher at the Ruins of Alph claims that the [[Pokémon Communication Center]] in [[Goldenrod City]] influences the Unown. His unused English text is: ''According to my research... Those mysterious patterns appeared when the <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>com Center</sc> was built. It must mean that radio waves have some sort of a link...''
** Additionally, there is an unused static title screen in the game's data that shows an {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Unown|A-shaped}} {{p|Unown}} instead of {{p|Suicune}}. It also does not reboot the game automatically after the title screen's music stops.
* The Japanese [[Super Game Boy]] border of {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Gold}} (labeled '''<sc>Pocket Monsters Gold Version</sc>''') is unused in all releases of Pokémon Crystal. The equivalent border from the Japanese {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Silver}} (labeled '''<sc>Pocket Monsters Silver Version</sc>''') is not present.
* This is the last localized [[core series]] game to use the slogan ''[[Gotta catch 'em all!]]''.
* The Japanese version has an emblem of Suicune's crest on the back of the Game Pak's circuit board.
* This game was developed using Pokémon Gold as the base game.
* This is the only internationally released {{cat|Upper versions|upper version}} game where the [[Gym Leader]]s or the {{pkmn|Champion}} don't use any different Pokémon compared to the original pair of games.
* Prior to the Virtual Console release announcement, [[Pokémon.com]] listed Pokémon Crystal with a PEGI rating of 3.<ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon Crystal Version - Pokemon.com]</ref>
* The [[Virtual Console]] re-release of this game was announced exactly 17 years after the release of the original game in Japan.
** It is also the only Virtual Console release of 2018.

==In other languages==
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==See also==
* {{appendix|Crystal walkthrough}}

==References==
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Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

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{{redirect|Pokémon Gold/Silver|the book|Pokémon Gold/Silver (book)}}
{{Incomplete|article|Version history (Japan-only: 1.0 vs 1.1)}}
{{Infobox game | colorscheme=gold|bordercolorscheme=silver
|name=Pokémon Gold Version
|name2=Pokémon Silver Version
|jname=ポケットモンスター　金
|jname2=ポケットモンスター　銀
|boxart=Gold EN boxart.png
|boxart2=Silver EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Gold Version's box art, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}.
|caption2=Pokémon Silver Version's box art, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Lugia}}.
|jbox=Gold JP boxart.png
|jbox2=Silver JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Box art of Pocket Monsters: Gold, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}.
|jcaption2=Box art of Pocket Monsters: Silver, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Lugia}}.
|platform=[[Game Boy]] (enhanced for the [[Super Game Boy]], [[Super Game Boy 2]], and [[Game Boy Color]]) [[Game Boy Color]] (South Korea only) [[Nintendo 3DS]] ([[Virtual Console]])
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]], [[Infrared]] ([[Game Boy Color]] only)
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]] {{wp|Daewon C.I.|Daewon}} (South Korea)
|gen_series=[[Generation II]] [[core series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=12
|acb=G
|oflc=G8+
|grb=ALL (Game Boy) 12+ (3DS VC)
|release_date_ja=November 21, 1999 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-gs/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref> September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_na=October 15, 2000 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com (US)]</ref> September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_au=October 13, 2000 (Game Boy) September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_eu=April 6, 2001 (Game Boy)<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/games/videogame-pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref> September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_kr=April 24, 2002 (Game Boy Color)<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20050424101257/http://www.dengekionline.com/news/200204/09/n20020409pokemon.html Dengeki Online] (archive)</ref> September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_hk=September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|release_date_tw=September 22, 2017 (3DS VC)
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-gs/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com] [http://web.archive.org/web/20071011003114/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-322 Nintendo.com (Gold)] [http://web.archive.org/web/20071011003119/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-323 Nintendo.com (Silver)]
}}

{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

'''Pokémon Gold Version''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　金}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Gold'') and '''Pokémon Silver Version''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　銀}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Silver'') were the first [[core series]] games of [[Generation II]] for the [[Game Boy Color]].

During development, the games had the tentative titles of '''Pocket Monsters 2''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター２}}''')<ref name="NoJ97"/> or '''Pokémon 2''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケモン２}}''')<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120621104801/http://www.geocities.jp/bgrtype/gsl/words2/pokemon2/pokemon2.html ポケモン２(仮)]</ref> and '''Pocket Monsters 2: Gold & Silver''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター2　金・銀}}'''),<ref name="NoJ97">[https://web.archive.org/web/19970627055949/http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/index.html ポケットモンスター2]</ref> along with a provisional release date of "late 1997".<ref name="NoJ97"/> The number 2 was dropped as of {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} ’97 in November 1997.

Originally announced for a March 1998 release in Nintendo Space World '97,<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n12/swgbsoft/swgb03.html SPACEWORLD'97 出展　GAME BOYソフト]</ref> the games had their launch date postponed, with [[Nintendo]] issuing a public apology where it is claimed that the developers are worn out but fully committed to the project and that they require more time to expand and improve the games further.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19980530125759/http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/enki.html ポケットモンスター金・銀発売延期のお知らせとお詫び]</ref> They were eventually released in Japan on November 21, 1999, in North America on October 15, 2000, and in Europe on April 6, 2001. In {{pmin|South Korea}}, Nintendo collaborated with {{wp|Daewon C.I.|Daewon}} to release the games in the country, which occurred on April 24, 2002; the Korean versions are solely compatible with the Game Boy Color, which was released there in 2000, also by Daewon.<ref>[http://bbs2.ruliweb.daum.net/gaia/do/ruliweb/default/nds/84/read?bbsId=G003&itemId=5&articleId=1372618 게임보이 발매 25주년 | Daum 루리웹] ([https://archive.today/CJqGo archived copy])</ref>

The games were released on the [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] on September 22, 2017.

As Pokémon had become an international phenomenon already with the release of {{game|Red and Blue|s}} and {{game|Yellow}} in North America and other regions, the localized versions of these games were greatly expected. Much like Red and Green (Red and Blue overseas), Gold and Silver were followed shortly by a solitary version with minor changes, {{game|Crystal}}, as well as remakes two [[generation]]s later in the form of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} for the [[Nintendo DS]].

Unlike earlier games, Pokémon Gold and Silver take place in the [[Johto]] region, west of the region that the original games take place in, [[Kanto]]. However, Kanto can be traveled to later in the games.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
===Main game===
{{ga|Ethan|The player}} begins their journey from [[New Bark Town]], running an errand for [[Professor Elm]] to [[Mr. Pokémon]]'s house to discover what he was so excited about. Elm supplies the player with one of three Pokémon, {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}}, for this errand. After Mr. Pokémon's discovery turns out to be an {{pkmn|Egg}}, the player returns to New Bark, only to find that a suspicious {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} seen lurking outside of Elm's lab earlier has stolen one of Elm's Pokémon— the one that the player's choice is weak to, coincidentally. Upon defeating him and returning to New Bark, the player gives the name of the boy (the player can choose any name, provided it fits under the seven-character limit; his name defaults to Silver{{sup/2|G}} or Gold{{sup/2|S}}) to a police officer who has come to investigate the incident. Elm is amazed by the Egg and insists on studying it, allowing the player to keep the Pokémon they traveled with as a [[starter Pokémon]]. From here, he encourages the player to journey across [[Johto]] and challenge the eight [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Falkner]], [[Bugsy]], [[Whitney]], [[Morty]], [[Chuck]], [[Jasmine]], [[Pryce]], and [[Clair]], and eventually the [[Pokémon League]] (though this is a long way off). With the first Gym in nearby [[Violet City]], the player heads off on their adventure.

After defeating Falkner for the {{Badge|Zephyr}}, Elm's assistant appears to give the player the Egg, which will later hatch into a {{p|Togepi}}. Heading south towards [[Azalea Town]] by way of {{rt|32|Johto}} and [[Union Cave]], the player meets up with the villainous [[Team Rocket]], formed again after it was disbanded [[Generation I|three years prior]] in the neighboring [[Kanto]] region by {{ga|Red|a young Trainer}}. They are cutting off the tails of the {{p|Slowpoke}} that are legendary in Azalea, intending to sell them for a large profit. [[Kurt]], a local maker of specialty [[Poké Ball]]s, is greatly angered by this, and requests the player's help in chasing away Team Rocket and saving the Slowpoke. Though he falls into [[Slowpoke Well]], hurting himself in the process, he begs the player to continue on to fight the organization with their Pokémon. After this has been done, and Team Rocket is chased away from Azalea, Kurt gives the player a {{ball|Lure}} and will make his specialty Poké Balls when brought any kind of [[Apricorn]], one per day. After defeating [[Bugsy]] in the [[Azalea Gym]] for the {{Badge|Hive}} and defeating the red-haired boy (Silver) once again, the player can journey into [[Ilex Forest]] to find the [[Charcoal]] maker's {{p|Farfetch'd}} and get {{HM|01|Cut}}. With this, Ilex Forest can be navigated through towards {{rt|34|Johto}}. On Route 34, a [[Pokémon Day Care]] is set up, however, unlike the one found in [[Kanto]] on {{rt|5|Kanto}}, it is capable of raising two Pokémon at once. If these Pokémon are [[Egg Group|similar enough]], and if a male and female have been put in together, a [[Pokémon Egg]] can be produced.

Venturing into [[Goldenrod City]], the player's third Badge, the {{Badge|Plain}}, awaits. After defeating [[Whitney]] and getting the Badge, receiving a [[Squirt Bottle|SquirtBottle]] allows the player to move the {{p|Sudowoodo|strange tree}} blocking {{rt|36|Johto}} to the north. If it is [[Days of the week|Tuesday, Thursday, or Saturday]], the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] will be occurring at the [[National Park]] on {{rt|35|Johto}}, as well. In [[Ecruteak City]], [[Bill]], the developer of the [[PC]] [[Pokémon Storage System]] is performing repairs on the [[Time Capsule]], and as the player arrives, he will finish, asking for them to come visit him in his parents' house in Goldenrod, where he will give away an {{p|Eevee}}. Another Gym is in Ecruteak, where the {{type|Ghost}} Leader [[Morty]] battles for the {{Badge|Fog}}.

The player goes on through {{rt|38|Johto}} and {{rt|39|Johto}} to arrive in [[Olivine City]]. Once there, they learn from Silver that [[Jasmine]], the Gym Leader, is not available at the moment, since she is taking care of the [[Glitter Lighthouse|lighthouse's]] [[Amphy|Ampharos]] and refuses to leave until the Pokémon is given a [[Secret Potion|special medicine]] from [[Cianwood City]]. The player thus surfs their way through {{rt|40|Johto}} and {{rt|41|Johto}} to get to Cianwood. There, they encounter the {{type|Fighting}} Leader [[Chuck]], who presents the player with the {{Badge|Storm}}. They get the SecretPotion from the Cianwood Pharmacy and goes back to Olivine. Jasmine, relieved after getting her Ampharos's medicine, goes back to taking Gym challenges. Her Pokémon specialty is of the {{t|Steel}} type. When the player gets their sixth Badge, the {{Badge|Mineral}}, they travel to [[Mahogany Town]], through {{rt|42|Johto}}. The Gym is blocked by a man and the way to {{rt|44|Johto}} and the [[Ice Path]] is blocked by another man trying to sell [[Rage Candy Bar|RageCandyBars]].

The player heads north to {{rt|43|Johto}} and the [[Lake of Rage]]. Upon entering the gate, two {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket Grunt}}s charge them {{pdollar}}1000 to go through. When the player gets to the lake, they encounter the [[Red Gyarados]]. After the player defeats, catches or flees from it, they receive the [[Red Scale]]. A caped man named [[Lance]] appears on the shore and reveals Team Rocket's secret hideout to the player. The player goes back to Mahogany and goes through the hideout, along with Lance. Team Rocket's plan was to emit sound waves, inducing the Magikarp in the lake to evolve into Gyarados, which caused the effect of the Red Gyarados. Once the player defeats all the Rockets and disables the wave-emitting machine, they can challenge [[Pryce]], the town's {{type|Ice}} Gym Leader.

Upon defeating the Gym Leader and obtaining the {{Badge|Glacier}}, the player receives a phone call from Prof. Elm about a strange radio signal emitted by Team Rocket, trying to connect with their missing leader, [[Giovanni]]. The player goes to the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] to investigate. Once there, they find the Tower to be taken over by Team Rocket. When the player ascends to the top floor, they find the director of the Radio Tower, only to discover that he has been impersonated by a Rocket and that the real Director is actually locked in Goldenrod's basement. Once the player enters the basement, they are once again encountered by Silver, who intends to defeat Team Rocket all by himself. He still questions the way he treats his Pokémon. Once the player gets to the very bottom of the basement, they find the Tower's real Director. He gives the player the Card Key, so that they can access the higher floors of the Radio Tower.

After clearing all of the Rockets, effectively disbanding them, the player receives either a [[Rainbow Wing]] to encounter {{p|Ho-Oh}} or a [[Silver Wing]] to encounter {{p|Lugia}}, in the Gold and Silver versions respectively. The player can either go to the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] or the [[Whirl Islands]] at this point, to challenge Ho-Oh or Lugia, respectively; alternatively, they can go straight to {{rt|44|Johto}}, now unblocked, and through the [[Ice Path]] to get to [[Blackthorn City]]. There the player can challenge [[Clair]], the {{type|Dragon}} Gym Leader. Before giving the player the {{Badge|Rising}}, however, Clair requires the player go through a test to prove their worthiness. To complete this test, the player must enter the [[Dragon's Den]] and retrieve a [[Dragon Fang]]. When the player finds the item, they receive the Rising Badge from Clair. Having obtained all 8 Badges, the player returns to [[New Bark Town]], traveling down {{rt|45|Johto}} and {{rt|46|Johto}}.

Professor Elm contacts the player, and awards them with a {{ball|Master}} when visited. From New Bark, the path to the Pokémon League is to the east, across {{rt|27|Kanto}} and into [[Kanto]], then across {{rt|26|Kanto}} and through {{ka|Victory Road}} to [[Indigo Plateau]]. When the player reaches the exit of Victory Road, Silver appears again and battles the player.

The [[Elite Four]] awaits the player if they have collected all eight Badges. When the player enters the League, they must face all four in sequence. [[Will]], who [[Pokémon training|trains]] {{type|Psychic}} Pokémon, is first, followed by [[Koga]], who specializes in {{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Following is [[Bruno]], who uses {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon, and finally, [[Karen]], who specializes in the {{t|Dark}} type. After defeating these four, the reigning [[Pokémon Champion]], [[Lance]], challenges the player to a final battle. After his defeat, {{prof|Oak}} and his co-host on [[Radio in the Pokémon world#Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|Pokémon Talk]], [[DJ Mary]], arrive and congratulate the player. Lance then takes the player to a back room and tells the player that they are admitted into the [[Hall of Fame]]. The credits roll.

===Postgame===
After the credits roll, the player ends up back in [[New Bark Town]] in their room; however, Professor Elm calls, requesting a favor. After visiting his lab, he gives the player an [[S.S. Ticket]] that allows access to the [[S.S. Aqua]], a ship that travels to and from [[Kanto]], the region that Elm wishes for them to explore. On the first entry into the S.S. Aqua, a man will bump into the player, and will ask them for help as he has lost his granddaughter on the ship. After locating her in the captain's cabin and reuniting her with his grandfather, the ship will arrive in [[Vermilion City]], where the player will take their true first steps in Kanto.

At this point, the player is given free rein to travel throughout the (scaled-down) Kanto region, and collect the eight Badges from [[Generation I]]'s [[Indigo League#Gym Leaders of the Indigo League|Gym Leaders]]. The player can accomplish this in any order; however, certain events must be completed before some Leaders can be challenged. For example, a Team Rocket grunt has stolen a [[Machine Part]] from the [[Kanto Power Plant]] and hidden it inside [[Cerulean City]]'s [[Cerulean Gym|Gym]]; the grunt must be fought and the Machine Part restored to the Power Plant before [[Misty]] can be found at [[Kanto Route 25|Cerulean Cape]] and persuaded to return to the Gym. [[Giovanni]], the previous Leader of [[Viridian City]], has now left, and former Indigo {{pkmn|Champion}} {{ga|Blue}} is now its Leader; however, Blue is at the site of [[Cinnabar Island]], musing over its destruction by the local volcano's eruption. When found there, Blue will return to [[Viridian Gym]] to be battled. Blaine was the Leader of [[Cinnabar Gym]]; when the town was destroyed, he took refuge in one of the [[Seafoam Islands]] and can be fought there.

When the player has earned all eight Kanto Badges (and, therefore, all sixteen Badges in the game), Oak allows them to venture to {{rt|28|Kanto}} and, past it, [[Mt. Silver|Silver Cave]], a location where only the greatest of Trainers can venture. Silver Cave is a grand set of open tunnels and passages which are riddled with powerful Pokémon, but the player continues to travel through to the end of the cave, where {{ga|Red}}, now a [[Pokémon Master]], stands alone to be fought. When Red is defeated, the credits roll again and, afterward, the player is deposited at Route 28's [[Pokémon Center]], outside of Silver Cave.

==Blurb==
Enter a whole new world, with new Pokémon to capture, train and battle! Meet Professor Elm and get the all-new [[Pokégear|Poké Gear]], including {{DL|Pokégear|map}}, {{DL|Pokégear|radio}}, [[Pokégear#Phone|cell phone]] and [[Pokégear#Time|clock]]. Set the clock then watch as day turns to night and events take place in real [[time]]— and be sure to keep an eye out for Pokémon that come out only at night!

==Connectivity==
Players may [[trade]] Pokémon between two cartridges or battle with another cartridge using a [[Game Boy]] [[Game Link Cable]]. To take full advantage of this feature, several Pokémon are exclusive to each game of the pair or the Generation I games, and others require trading to evolve, making trading necessary to complete the [[Pokédex]]. The games can trade and battle with Pokémon Gold, Silver, and {{v2|Crystal}}. Using the [[Time Capsule]], the Japanese versions can trade with Japanese versions of {{game4|Red|Green|Blue|Yellow}}; and the Western and Korean versions can trade with Western versions of {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}. The cartridge releases of Pokémon Gold and Silver are completely incompatible with games from [[Generation III]] onward.

Trades between Pokémon games in different languages are possible; however, a Japanese game cannot connect with a non-Japanese game without causing corruption. If a battle between a Japanese game and a non-Japanese game is attempted, the battle simply does not work, with the save files left unharmed. Korean games can trade and battle with Western language games; however, while the Korean games do support the {{wp|Latin alphabet}}, the Western language games do not support {{wp|Hangul}}, so the names and [[Original Trainer]]s of Pokémon from Korean games will use a variety of unrelated characters located at equivalent codepoints to display Korean names (potentially including {{wp|control character}}s, which may cause a variety of issues).

Pokémon Gold and Silver are compatible with {{g|Stadium 2}}. While link battles are not possible directly between Pokémon Gold and Silver and the Generation I games, a player may challenge a Generation I game using Pokémon Stadium 2. Japanese Pokémon Stadium 2 can communicate with Japanese Generation I and II core series games, but not other languages; Western Pokémon Stadium 2 can communicate with Western Generation I and II core series games, but it does not recognize Japanese games and cannot read the save file from Korean games.

Pokémon Gold and Silver are also compatible with the [[Game Boy Printer]]. It is possible to print Pokédex entries, the [[Diploma]], [[Pokémon Storage System]] Boxes, [[Party]] Pokémon, [[Mail]], and [[Ruins of Alph|Alph Ruins]] Stamps.

===Mystery Gift===
{{main|Mystery Gift#Generation II|Mystery Gift → Generation II}}
Mystery Gift is a 2-player feature that allows players to be gifted a random item by interacting with another player. This feature uses the [[infrared]] port on the [[Game Boy Color]]. The games that support Mystery Gift are Pokémon Gold, Silver, and {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], and [[Pokémon Pikachu 2 GS]]. Mystery Gift can be used up to five times per day, receiving no more than one gift from each player each day.

When Mystery Gift is used to connect to another Generation II [[core series]] game, each of the connected games will receive a random item, and the opponent in the [[Trainer House]] will be replaced by that other player. When it is used to connect to Pokémon Stadium 2, the handheld game will receive an item; some items can only be received when communicating with Stadium 2. When connecting to Pokémon Pikachu 2 GS, the player decides on a number of {{OBP|Watt|currency}}s to transfer from the device, and the item received will depend on the amount of transferred Watts.

===Virtual Console===
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The [[Nintendo 3DS]] [[Virtual Console]] release uses 3DS wireless communication as a substitute for the Game Link Cable. The Virtual Console release disables [[Game Boy Printer]] compatibility. Japanese and Western Generation II core series games do not recognize each other when attempting to link them via 3DS wireless communication.

[[Mystery Gift]] can be performed with other Virtual Console copies of Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal using the Nintendo 3DS system's infrared port.


==Features==
===Gyms===
There are eight Pokémon Gyms in Johto, each with their own type affiliation. The Gym Leaders are [[Falkner]] ({{t|Flying}}), [[Bugsy]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Whitney]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Morty]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Chuck]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Jasmine]] ({{t|Steel}}), [[Pryce]] ({{t|Ice}}) and [[Clair]] ({{t|Dragon}}). These Gyms notably feature the types not accounted for by Kanto Gyms, with the exception of the {{t|Dark}} type. Since Kanto is accessible after defeating the Elite Four, players can visit the eight Pokémon Gyms in the region, even though there have been some changes. The Gym Leaders are [[Brock]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Janine]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine]] ({{t|Fire}}) and {{ga|Blue}} (various).

===Elite Four===
Gold and Silver introduce a new Elite Four syndicate, though it is found at the same location as it previously was in the Red and Blue versions: [[Indigo Plateau]]. The Elite Trainers are [[Will]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Koga]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Bruno]] ({{t|Fighting}}), and [[Karen]] ({{t|Dark}}); the {{pkmn|Champion}} is [[Lance]], who uses {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon. [[Lorelei]] and [[Agatha]], who were part of the Elite Four in Generation I, do not appear in Generation II, nor are they mentioned.

===Pokémon===
The games feature 100 new Pokémon species, plus the 151 Pokémon of [[Generation I]]. Despite this, not all Pokémon are available to a single player, regardless of version; trades must occur between players in order to complete their Pokédex without the use of cheats or glitches. In addition, most Pokémon associated with events in [[Generation I]], including the [[Kanto]] {{pkmn2|starter}}s (discounting {{game|Yellow}}'s {{p|Pikachu}}), the [[Fossil]] Pokémon, the [[legendary birds]], {{p|Mewtwo}} and {{p|Mew}}, are absent from all [[Generation II]] games and must be [[Time Capsule|traded over]]. {{p|Celebi}} is the only Pokémon introduced in Gold and Silver that can ''only'' be legitimately acquired by attending a Nintendo [[event]].

====[[Game-exclusive Pokémon|Game exclusives]]====
For unknown reasons, two sets of [[game-exclusive Pokémon]], {{p|Phanpy}} and its evolution {{p|Donphan}}, along with {{p|Teddiursa}} and its evolution {{p|Ursaring}}, were swapped between the Japanese and localized releases, with the former available in Japanese Gold and international Silver and with the latter available in Japanese Silver and international Gold. However, this situation did not occur with the remakes, HeartGold and SoulSilver.

The Korean versions of Gold and Silver do not have this change.

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! Gold
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{{Moveentry|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentry|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentry|058|Growlithe|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|059|Arcanine|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentry|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentry|207|Gligar|2|Ground|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|216|Teddiursa|1|Normal||{{fn|1}}}}
{{Moveentry|217|Ursaring|1|Normal||{{fn|1}}}}
{{Moveentry|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying|}}
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{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentry|053|Persian|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentry|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|231|Phanpy|1|Ground||{{fn|2}}}}
{{Moveentry|232|Donphan|1|Ground||{{fn|2}}}}
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*{{fnb|1}}Exclusive to Silver in the Japanese and Korean versions.
*{{fnb|2}}Exclusive to Gold in the Japanese and Korean versions.

===Pokégear===
The Pokégear is received at the beginning of the game from the protagonist's mother. It has several functions, some of which will need to be unlocked during the game by receiving special expansion cards. The Pokégear displays the day of the week and the time of day, entered at the beginning of the game, a map of Johto (and later Kanto) once the Map Card is obtained, a cellphone, allowing the user to make calls to people that they've traded phone numbers with, and a radio which allows the player to get tips from Professor Oak and [[DJ Mary]] on Oak's Pokémon Talk, affect how active wild Pokémon are by playing Pokémon March or Pokémon Lullaby on the {{DL|Radio in the Pokémon world|Pokémon Music}} station, or listen to the {{DL|Radio in the Pokémon world|Lucky Channel}} to keep track of the Radio Tower's lottery promotion.

===Apricorns===
More specialized [[Poké Ball]]s were introduced in these games. A {{ball|Lure}} is more effective if used against a Pokémon caught with a [[Fishing|fishing rod]], a Heavy Ball is used to catch large, heavy Pokémon like {{p|Snorlax}}, and a {{ball|Friend}} will make a Pokémon more comfortable and friendly to its Trainer much more quickly. To obtain these Balls, [[Apricorn]]s must be picked from special plants found throughout Johto, and [[Kurt]] in [[Azalea Town]] will fashion these into the different Balls based on their color. However, Kurt can only make one Ball at a time, and players must wait until the next day for Kurt to finish the Ball.

===Kanto===
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After defeating [[Lance]], and becoming the [[Pokémon Champion]], players can travel to [[Kanto]], the region introduced in Generation I, and see how things have changed over the past three years:
* Due to a power outage, a key is no longer required to open the door to [[Lt. Surge]], and the garbage cans in his Gym are all empty (save for trash).
* A volcano has destroyed everything but the [[Pokémon Center]] on [[Cinnabar Island]], leaving a rain-filled crater behind.
* {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} are no longer found in Kanto, logically because they have already been caught in Generation I. The [[Cerulean Cave]] and {{p|Mewtwo}} are also gone, though a man near the cave ruins does mention the dungeon, and a hidden item called the [[Berserk Gene]] can be found in the water near its former entrance.
* [[Bill]]'s house ([[Sea Cottage]]) is still present at the Cerulean Cape, but Bill is currently visiting his family in Johto's [[Goldenrod City]]. The house is being watched over by his grandfather.
* [[Blaine]] has moved his Gym to one of the [[Seafoam Islands]] due to [[Cinnabar Island|Cinnabar]]'s volcanic eruption. As a result, no wild Pokémon can be found in the Seafoam Islands.
* {{ga|Blue}} (Green in the Japanese versions), the rival of Generation I, is now the leader of the [[Viridian City]] [[Viridian Gym|Gym]]. [[Giovanni]] is nowhere to be seen, though he is clearly mentioned many times, as Team Rocket aims to find him.
* {{ga|Red}}, the Generation I protagonist, appears in Johto's [[Mt. Silver]], serving as the game's true final challenge. His highest level Pokémon is a level 81 Pikachu. Red also has a {{p|Snorlax}} at level 75, a {{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}, each at level 77, and a level 73 {{p|Espeon}}. The first five Pokémon are specially obtainable in Pokémon Yellow.
* The {{OBP|Copycat|character}} still lives in [[Saffron City]], but has moved to another area of town. Her old house was demolished to make way for the [[Magnet Train]] station. As compensation, she received a free rail pass from a man at the station, which she gives away to the player after the return of her [[Lost Item|lost doll]]. According to her mother, this is the same [[Poké Doll|doll]] that Red exchanged for {{TM|31|Mimic}} in [[Generation I]].
* Kanto Gym Leaders use Generation II Pokémon in addition to Generation I Pokémon.
* Remixes of most of the overworld and battle music from the Generation I games are used. Some notable exceptions include Cinnabar Island's music and the music from various Team Rocket hideouts.
* Most [[route]]s were shortened, but cities and towns generally remained the same size except [[Celadon City]], which shrank slightly.
* Pokémon seen in the wild are different: many Generation II Pokémon can be found. Some Pokémon that were previously restricted to the {{Safari|Kanto}} can be caught in wild areas, such as {{p|Rhyhorn}} in {{ka|Victory Road}} and {{p|Kangaskhan}} in [[Rock Tunnel]].
* The entrance to [[Team Rocket]]'s [[Team Rocket Hideout|headquarters]] in the basement of the Celadon City [[Celadon Game Corner|Game Corner]] has been removed, although a man in Celadon's Pokémon Center alludes to it.
* The formerly-abandoned [[Kanto Power Plant]] is now used to power the new Magnet Train (which may have led to the departure of the Pokémon that once infested the plant in Generation I).
* The [[Miracle Cycle|bike shop]] in [[Cerulean City]] is closed, and the owners have moved to Goldenrod City in Johto.
* The {{ka|old man}} in Viridian City has now had his coffee, and says, "Hey, kid! I just had a double shot of espresso and I am wired!" He references the fact that in Generation I he taught the player how to catch Pokémon, and asks if the player believes him, but does not attempt to teach this time around.
* The [[Fighting Dojo]]'s master is away training, so the Fighting Dojo only provides a [[Focus Band]] left behind. The [[Kiyo|master]] is training in [[Mt. Mortar]] in Johto. When found and defeated, he will give away a {{p|Tyrogue}}.
* The [[Pewter Museum of Science|museum]] in [[Pewter City]] is closed for renovations.
* The other caverns and [[Viridian Forest]] all have the same layout as they did before (with the exceptions of [[Mt. Moon]] and the Seafoam Islands), but reduced in size.
* [[Koga]], the former Gym Leader of [[Fuchsia City]] and now a member of the [[Elite Four]], has been replaced by his daughter [[Janine]].
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] in [[Lavender Town]] has been replaced by a [[Lavender Radio Tower|Radio Tower]], similar to the one in [[Goldenrod City]]. In turn, the Pokémon grave sites were moved into the newly added Soul House. Access to the upper floors of this Radio Tower is restricted, a safety precaution taken as a result of Team Rocket's takeover of [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Johto's Radio Tower]].
* The {{ka|Safari Zone}} is closed while the [[Baoba|warden]] is on a vacation. Instead, the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] at the [[National Park]] takes its place.
* The {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 7-8}} from Celadon City to Lavender Town has been sealed indefinitely, ostensibly due to vandalism. A sign cites local complaints about battles there and a local Biker Gang complains about it closing down because it was their base.
* Victory Road's length has been drastically shortened, and no longer includes the barriers, boulders, Trainers, and pressure sensors. Trainers can be found outside, but no longer in Victory Road itself.
* Viridian Forest has been reduced to shrubs, and wild Pokémon can only be caught in the grass of what used to be {{rt|2|Kanto}}.
* Route 23 has been reduced to a short path leading between {{ka|Victory Road}}'s exit and [[Indigo Plateau]].
* The Pokémon Center on Route 4, outside Mt. Moon, is no longer there, leaving the player to trek all the way to Pewter City to heal their Pokémon.
* The player can no longer enter Silph Co.'s upper levels due to increased security.

==Differences in the Virtual Console release==
*The Nintendo 3DS [[Virtual Console]] releases can [[#Connectivity|link]] with other Virtual Console Generation I and II core series games via Nintendo 3DS wireless communication, simulating the [[Game Link Cable]]. Like in the original releases, they can only communicate with the Virtual Console Generation I core series games by using the [[Time Capsule]]. Unlike the VC releases of Generation I games, closing the communication normally does not cause the emulator to restart, although it does restart if the communication was cut due to an error. When initiating a link, the Virtual Console menu on the touch screen replaces the Cable Club attendant's dialogue. Additionally, all of the [[Game Boy Printer]] features are disabled, although the option still appears in the Pokédex and the PC menu.
*[[Mystery Gift]] can be performed with other Virtual Console copies of Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal using the Nintendo 3DS system's [[infrared]] port. Unlike other link features, the user interface remains unchanged from the original games.
*Using [[Poké Transporter]], Pokémon can be sent from the Generation II core series games to [[Pokémon Bank]], and from Pokémon Bank, they can then be moved to [[Generation VII]] core series games.
*In battle, when a Pokémon attacks, its {{wp|HUD (video gaming)|HUD}} doesn't disappear for the duration of the animation as it did in the original releases. This causes several graphical oddities, such as the animations of {{m|Tackle}} and {{m|Splash}} causing the user's HUD to move along with its sprite. Also, some moves had their animations changed slightly to tone down the flashing by dimming the screen, although this is not the case in all localized releases.
*In the Japanese releases, {{p|Jynx}}'s sprite has been replaced with the sprite used in Western versions, as the original had previously fell under controversy for its resemblance to {{wp|blackface}}.

==New features==
Gold and Silver introduced a number of features to the Pokémon video game franchise, many of which set a new standard for every game in the series that followed. Gold and Silver introduced the concept of storing items such as healing items, [[Poké Ball]]s, and [[Key Item]]s in separate compartments in the [[Bag]]. The updated battle screen showed both how much [[experience]] points a Pokémon had until its next level and whether an encountered wild Pokémon's species has already been captured. Also, held items raised the bar for strategy, allowing players to outspeed opponents, heal ailments, restore {{stat|HP}} in {{pkmn|battle}}, boost the power of moves of a specific type, or increase the Pokémon's [[friendship]], among other uses. All {{pkmn|Trainer}}s battled by the player had their own unique name, and some would be available for rematches later in the game.

A [[Time|time system]] was also introduced. Throughout the game, Pokémon appearances are influenced by time of day: morning, day, and night. {{p|Hoothoot}}, for example, only appears at night (since it's an owl-like Pokémon). Certain events are also determined by the day of the week, like the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] which is held in Johto's [[National Park]] on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Depending on the day of the week, either "{{DL|Radio in the Pokémon world|Pokémon March}}" or "{{DL|Radio in the Pokémon world|Pokémon Lullaby}}" can be heard on the PokéGear radio. Pokémon March raises the chance of a Pokémon appearing when the player walks into the grass, while Pokémon Lullaby decreases that chance.

===Breeding===
With the introduction of {{pkmn|breeding}}, all Pokémon belong to one or two [[Egg Group]]s. It is important to note that [[legendary Pokémon]] cannot be bred; they are genderless, and will not breed, even with a {{p|Ditto}} (which can breed with any Pokémon capable of breeding).

A baby Pokémon will be born when a male Pokémon and a female Pokémon that share at least one Egg Group are left at the [[Pokémon Day Care]]. In the case of Pokémon that are always male ({{p|Hitmontop}}, {{p|Nidoking}}, {{p|Tauros}}, etc.), or Pokémon who can breed but whose gender is unknown ({{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Voltorb}}), the only way to produce a baby from these species is by breeding them with a Ditto.

A baby Pokémon will inherit the species of its mother (or non-Ditto parent in the case of a Ditto breeding) and inheritable moves from its father (when it's not a Ditto). Fathers always pass down [[TM]] moves that the baby's species could learn, which are valuable (since some are only obtainable one time). If both parents know a move that the baby's species learns by leveling up, the baby is born knowing that move as well. Fathers may also pass down special moves called "Egg moves" to the baby that it would not normally be able to learn by leveling up or evolving.

===Shiny Pokémon===
These games introduced [[Shiny Pokémon]]—Pokémon which have a different coloring than their species has normally, and which appear very rarely (a 1 in 8192 chance). In these games, Shiny Pokémon often have higher stats than regular Pokémon, but can never achieve maximum stats for that species (as Shininess is based on the Pokémon's {{IV}}s in this generation).

In this generation, the odds of an {{pkmn|Egg}} hatching into a Shiny Pokémon can be significantly increased if one or both parents are Shiny.

There is one Pokémon guaranteed to be Shiny: a [[Red Gyarados]] can be found at the [[Lake of Rage]]. Since it is part of the storyline, it is impossible not to encounter this Pokémon as Shiny.

===Pokérus===
[[Pokérus]] (a portmanteau of "Pokémon" and "virus") was introduced. Encountering a Pokémon with the virus is even rarer than encountering a Shiny Pokémon, with the odds estimated to be somewhere around a 1 in 21,845 chance. Pokérus doubles the special experience (a concept adapted to later installments as [[effort values]]) that the player's Pokémon gain each time the infected Pokémon participates in battle (provided the battle is won and the infected Pokémon does not faint).

===Type and stat changes===
Two new [[type]]s were introduced: {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}}. These two types serve to balance the {{t|Psychic}} type, which previously was only weak to {{type|Bug}} moves. In addition, the Steel and Dark types also balanced the {{t|Fighting}} type, which was only [[super effective]] against {{t|Normal}}-, {{t|Ice}}-, and {{type|Rock}} Pokémon; Steel and Dark are both weak to Fighting-type moves. Steel-type Pokémon are known for their very high defense; they are highly resistant to many types and their moves are strong against Ice- and Rock-type Pokémon. Dark-type Pokémon are immune to Psychic-type moves and have moves with malicious-sounding names, such as {{m|Bite}} (previously {{type|Normal}}) and {{m|Thief}}, which are super-effective against Psychic-type Pokémon. Dark-type Pokémon are also strong against {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon, thus being the only type that has an attack advantage over Ghost-type Pokémon besides Ghost-type moves themselves. Dark-type Pokémon are also weak to Bug-type attacks.

Some type match-ups were changed as well. In Generation I Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic-type Pokémon; this was changed to super-effective as it was in the anime. {{type|Poison}} moves were previously super effective against Bug-type Pokémon, and Bug-type moves were super effective against Poison-type Pokémon; this was changed to Poison doing normal damage to Bug and Bug becoming not very effective against Poison, seriously limiting the effectiveness and usage of both types. Ice-type moves were also made not very effective against {{type|Fire}} Pokémon (previously doing normal damage). Four moves had their types changed: {{m|Gust}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Flying}} move; {{m|Bite}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Dark}} move; {{m|Karate Chop}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Fighting}} move; {{m|Sand-Attack}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Ground}} move. Two Pokémon, {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}}, changed from being {{t|Electric}} type to being {{t|Electric}}/{{t|Steel}}.

Another major change from the original games was the splitting of the {{Stat|Special}} stat into {{Stat|Special Attack}} and {{Stat|Special Defense}}. Again, this increased aspects of strategy, for Pokémon were now more specialized. Some were good special attackers, while others were better physical attackers; the same now held true for Defense and Special Defense. For example, {{p|Cloyster}} has a decent Special stat in Generation I, but in all later games, has a decent Special Attack, but low Special Defense.

==Reception==
Gold and Silver were generally well received. {{wp|IGN}} rated the games a "Masterpiece" 10/10,<ref>[https://www.ign.com/articles/2000/10/17/pokemon-gold Pokémon Gold - IGN]</ref> with the reviewer stating that "after playing the game dozens of hours, I really can't think of a bad point to make about Pokémon Gold and Silver." Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} gave them a score of 34 out of 40. Pokémon Gold and Silver hold a rating of 89.56%<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/198308-pokemon-gold-version/index.html Pokémon Gold Version for Game Boy Color - GameRankings]</ref> and 91.35%,<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/446340-pokemon-silver-version/index.html Pokemon Silver Version for Game Boy Color - GameRankings]</ref> respectively, on {{wp|GameRankings}}.

===Sales===
====Japanese sales====
By December 31, 2006, the end of their 372nd week on the Japanese market, they had sold 7,006,760 copies, being 3,442,772 from Pokémon Gold and 3,563,988 from Pokémon Silver.

==Battery life==
Cartridges of the [[Generation II]] games typically lose the ability to [[save]] in a shorter time frame than copies of other Pokémon games due to the battery maintaining both the saved game and {{wp|real-time clock}} data, causing it to drain quicker. A symptom of a battery running dry is the game's inability to keep track of the time correctly and the [[error message]] '''TIME NOT SET''' may also appear on the title screen.

The cartridge memory is powered by a {{wp|CR2025|CR2025}} or a {{wp|CR2032|CR2032}} battery. Since it powers the memory containing the save file, the battery running out or interrupting the power by removing the battery will cause any current save file to be erased and internal clock to be reset. External power sources and third party devices have been used to maintain or backup and restore the save file to and from an external memory or a personal computer.

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection}}
Pokémon Gold and Silver are the only paired versions which have not had any sort of official soundtrack release of the games' original tracks. The closest approximation to such a release is Disc 3 of ''Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection'', which is based on the [[GB Sounds]] item and the {{DL|Radio in the Pokémon world|Pokémon Past Archive}} radio program of HeartGold and SoulSilver that is meant to emulate the style of chiptunes. However, not all of the old-style music is available on the CD. Additionally, Discs 1 and 2 of the aforementioned soundtrack contain remixes of the music originating from Pokémon Gold and Silver (and Crystal).

==Development cycle==
{{main|Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Development of Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

==Flyers==
Dated September 20, 1999 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/index1.html source])
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GS flyer front.jpg|Front
GS flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Localization changes==
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===Graphics===
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the Pokémon summary screens are vertically aligned in a similar fashion to the [[Generation III]] games. In the Western localizations, due to the space constraints, the layout was reverted to the horizontally-aligned one of the [[Generation I]] games.
* The amount of PC boxes in the [[Pokémon Storage System]] was changed from 9 to 14 in the localizations (including the Korean ones) due to the maximum number of Pokémon per box being decreased from 30 to 20.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Pokémon Storage System]]'s layout is enclosed in a text-box frame and the Pokémon list appears in the background. In the Western localizations, there is no frame surrounding the Pokémon but the Pokémon list appears in a text-box frame.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the sign of [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Johto]] have a [[Poké Ball]] drawing with the letters '''PC''' next to it. In the Western localizations, the sign was changed back to the one used in the [[Generation I]] games. The Pokémon Center signs in [[Kanto]] use the old design in all versions.
* In the Western localizations, the gender symbol for the {{p|Nidoran}} is shown twice during {{pkmn|battle}}s due to the gender symbol being placed next to the level indicator instead of next to the Pokémon's name as in the Japanese and Korean versions.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, {{m|Sonic Boom|SonicBoom}}'s animation is a shock wave hitting the opponent. For undisclosed reasons, it was changed to a tornado hitting the opponent in the Western localizations, making it very similar to {{m|Gust}}.
* Nineteen {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, including {{p|Jynx}}, as well as five {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, had their sprites changed between the Japanese and Western versions. The Korean versions use the same sprites as the Japanese versions. The changes made for Western versions were also taken into account for the Japanese and Western versions of {{game|Crystal}}, although they were instead incorporated in the new sprites.

===Gameplay===
[[File:PocketMonstersGumEun.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Cover of Pocket Monsters Geum·Eun]]
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, {{p|Phanpy}} and {{p|Donphan}} are found in the {{pkmn2|wild}} in Pokémon Gold while {{p|Teddiursa}} and {{p|Ursaring}} are found in the wild in Pokémon Silver. In the Western localizations, these were switched. This change was not replicated in the international versions of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
* The [[party]] of {{tc|Pokéfan}} Alex, a {{pkmn|Trainer}} found on {{rt|13|Kanto}}, is made of {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that have names ending in "king" (Japanese: キング). Due to {{p|Magikarp}} not sharing this trait in the Western releases (its Japanese name is コイキング ''Koiking''), it was replaced by {{p|Seaking}} in order to stay true to the theme. Unlike Magikarp, which is [[level]] 58, the Seaking is level 29 like the rest of his team. In the Korean versions, his team is the same as in the Japanese versions since Magikarp's Korean name is 잉어킹 (''Ingeoking'') and both {{p|Nidoking}} and {{p|Slowking}} also have the word "king" (Korean: 킹) in their Korean names. This was also not redone for {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} since Alex still has a Magikarp in the localizations, which is now level 65.
* The Korean versions of the games can only be played on the [[Game Boy Color]], due to the need for more memory in order to properly render the Korean characters.
* If the clock on the 3DS is adjusted, the clocks on Pokémon Gold and Silver will stay the same time.

==Trivia==
* [[Tsunekazu Ishihara]], the games' [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|producer]], originally thought that these games would be [[Game Freak]]'s last [[Pokémon]] project and thus the company invested in the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} and licensed various merchandise as means to assure the success of Gold and Silver as "the ultimate Pokémon titles".<ref>[http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/1 Iwata Asks : Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version : The King Of Portable Toys]</ref>
* These are the only pre-[[Generation IV]] [[Pokémon games]] ever released in and localized for South Korea prior to the foundation of both Nintendo of Korea and Pokémon Korea in 2006. Nevertheless, the [[Time Capsule]] is available in the Korean versions of Gold and Silver.
* The Japanese [[Super Game Boy]] border of Pokémon Gold (labeled '''POCKET MONSTERS GOLD VERSION'''), but not of Pokémon Silver, is present but unused in all releases of {{game|Crystal}}. Similarly, in the Korean releases of Gold and Silver, the English Super Game Boy borders (respectively labeled '''POKéMON GOLD VERSION''' and '''POKéMON SILVER VERSION''') are present but unused, since they only support the [[Game Boy Color]].
* In the Korean versions, the [[credits]] are presented in English. The Japanese games would later replicate this in [[Generation V]] but only when {{DL|Options|character mode}} is set to {{wp|kanji}}.
* Due to a possible oversight in the international versions, the Japanese quotation marks are used in certain parts of the dialogue, like in radio stations. This was corrected in Crystal.
* These games were the first to have [[Legendary Pokémon]] as [[Game mascot|mascots]] and the use of precious stones or metals as title names.
* Gold and Silver, as well as [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|their remakes]], have the most types that have been specialized in by [[Gym Leader]]s, adding up to 15.
** If one includes the [[Elite Four]], the {{t|Ground}} type is the only type that is not specialized in by an important Trainer in these games.
* None of the [[in-game trade]]s in Gold and Silver feature the player trading away or receiving a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}}, making them the only games in which a player must link up with another player to trade Pokémon of that generation.
* Gold and Silver are the only versions where wild Pokémon battle music is different between day and night.
* The boxarts for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]], {{game|Yellow}} and Pokémon Silver are the only three instances where the English ''Pokémon'' logo is shown partially covered by some element (in this case, Lugia's crest).
* Gold and Silver are the only Pokémon games released in a pair to have completely different sprites between each other.
* Prior to the Virtual Console release announcement, [[Pokémon.com]] listed Pokémon Gold and Silver with a PEGI rating of 3.<ref>[http://archive.is/kLPPa Pokémon™ Gold Version and Pokémon™ Silver Version | Video Games | Pokemon.com] (archive)</ref>

==In other languages==
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==See also==
* {{appendix|Gold and Silver walkthrough}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

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[[Category:Game Boy Color games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Gold and Silver|*]]
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Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

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Talk:Johto Route 45

2018-07-08T15:00:44Z

Black Eagle: /* Please do not change the levels of Pokemon obtained by fishing (Gen II) */ new section

== Trainers ==

What? No can post the trainers? {{unsigned|BaconBoy}}

: I don't know, I barely even battle any trainers on this route in my Gold game.... If anyone has any info about the trainers on this route, feel free to add it in.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 15:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Rods ==

Is this accurate? Super Rod=level 10? I know that Old Rod=level 10; Good Rod=level 20; Super Rod=level 40... anyone can give me evidence of this please? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:I know how late this response is, but I can confirm that any and all Pokémon fished up here are level 10, regardless of the rod used. I have seen and battled level 10 Dragonair hooked with the Super Rod on this route. Unfortunately, that's only in Generation II. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Yup, I confirm this as well. Too bad they didn't repeat that in HGSS[[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== River ==

In HeartGold and SoulSilver, there is a river which splits this route down the middle. I'm curious to see where it goes, but I can't find anywhere where I can access it to surf on it. Does anyone know if it's even possible?
[[User:Chamtechie|Chammy]] 18:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== LEARN TO MATH ==

If one Pokémon's chance of appearing is 30%, and a second is 20%, the remaining percent for Spearow is 50%... [[User:NoobLord9001|NoobLord9001]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

== Headbutt ==

Does this route have headbutt trees in Crystal? If yes, then we probably need to add more to the incomplete notice. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:24, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

== Please do not change the levels of Pokemon obtained by fishing (Gen II) ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLeHrZA-zA This video on Youtube] demonstrates the odd behaviour found in Gen II while fishing in the small pond. The levels are correctly '''10''' for '''all rods'''. This pond seems to be entirely unique and it is ''not'' a mistake as shown by the video. Please do not change the values without consulting this talk page first. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 15:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Black Eagle

2018-07-08T14:50:20Z

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==User Page==
You can't edit your userpage until you have made a number of mainspace edits, the exact number needed is top secert. Also using your talk page as a user page is prohited by the talk page policy. Have a nice day. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 17:02, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
:Ermm, how am I then supposed to bring out important information of my knowledge and skills? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 17:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
::How about you show it by expanding some [[Bulbapedia:Find or fix a stub|stubs]]. If you turn out to be a good editor then you will find that you will gain userspace rights pretty quickly. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 17:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Now, I'm being a bit provocative here, but how does me saying "I have experience from Gen II worth 1000h game-hours" stresses the server more than you removing one single word ('you'), which btw did not make your message any more comprehensible? I read the policy now and I understand it was established because some users started using their user pages as social forums. This increases the server load. And now, in this conversation I mentioned ''naturally'' the same thing I originally edited to the beginning of this page - so where's the difference? In fact, I think we've just created some 3-6 more or less useless edits here. Or will you start censoring me by removing what I just said? I bet that is also against the rules... --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 17:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
::::I didn't remove anything other than the personal content you put on this page when you made it. Since then I have only added content. Oh and btw, I have more than 1,500 hours on pearl alone, about 3,000 hours worth of game time total. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 19:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::Okay, either you are a bad troll or you did not get my point. Well, at least I have now said whatever I wanted to say in the first place. I don't see how saying it in a conversation is different from stating it otherwise, but I don't honestly care. Good that you have lots of game hours, they are needed! Now, I'm not commenting on this from now on. If you have still something to say, I suggest you send me mail or something. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 19:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

== Talk page comments ==

Please do not respond to talk page comments that are over 6 months old. If they are that old, they are either resolved or long forgotten about. If you have something new to add, start a new section at the bottom of the talk page to keep items in chronological order. Thanks. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 17:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Hello! The revert on Johto Route 45 was against policy. Please re-revert. Justification (bolded sections):
:1) "Please check the dates of a discussion before you reply to it. Unless an old conversation '''is still relevant''' and '''there is a good reason to revitalize discussion''', comments on sections older than six months old should not be made. If the problems cited in the previous comments have already been cleared up, any new comments may be removed."
:* The same kind of edit was reverted for the second time - i.e. a recurring incident, which makes it still relevant. The comment was added to provide further evidence and instructions to not revert it.
:2) "'''Keep the conversation in one place.''' It's difficult to read a conversation when every other comment is on a different page and it means the page history can be used to check the history of the discussion. This also allows third (or fourth) parties to join in if relevant."
:* I would not know why anyone wants to read a talk page with multiples of the same title. That's not keeping the conversation in the same place. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 17:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::The talk page comment is already resolved, evident in the main [[Johto Route 45]] page where there is the hidden comment about the pond being unique. The discussion of that point has been resolved, and new replies are not needed for it. Just reverting any incorrect edits to the levels/trivia itself is all that is needed. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 17:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Except for the video that was linked along my comment. Should that be included in the main article? Embedded or a link? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 17:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I personally don't see the need of the video, however it would be best to ask a Bulbapedia staff member about if it could be used as they would have a better idea. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 17:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Sure, except proof was requested on the talk page and it seems that such proof is necessary since information on the article has been changed to incorrect multiple times. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 18:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::The hidden comment has been removed and someone changed the levels back to the default (incorrect) values. I still keep to my view that the odd behaviour of the pond should be documented. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 14:50, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Johto Route 45

2018-07-08T14:35:18Z

Black Eagle: corrected levels back to 10

{{Route infobox
|number=45
|image=Johto Route 45 HGSS.png
|size=x500px
|imageII=Johto Route 45 GSC.png
|type=mountain
|mapdesc=A winding road by a river, but called "Mountain Road."
|north=Blackthorn City
|west=Route 46
|regionwest=Johto
|west2=Dark Cave
|region=Johto
|surf=yes
|generation=2
}}

'''Route 45''' (Japanese: '''４５ばんどうろ''' ''Route 45'') is a [[route]] in eastern [[Johto]], connecting [[Blackthorn City]] and {{rt|46|Johto}}. It is also known as '''Mountain Road''' (Japanese: '''マウンテンロード''' ''Mountain Road'').

The route can only be entered from the northern terminus, as the steep ledges that one can jump over make traveling northward towards [[Blackthorn City]] impossible. One of the entrances to [[Dark Cave]] lies at its northern edge.

In Generation II only, [[fishing]] on this route results in [[level]] 10 {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} for all [[Fishing#Equipment|fishing rod]]s.

==Route description==
The route starts as a single path as it leaves Blackthorn City, with an entrance to [[Dark Cave]] on the western side, but soon breaks into three parts, all of which inevitably pass through [[wild Pokémon|long grass]]. Soon, these recombine, then split again, into two distinct paths, only one of which offers long grass. These then recombine, then are split into two, then three, paths, all filled with long grass. These three then recombine into one before splitting off once more, the eastern half traveling towards a small pond, while the western half goes directly towards {{rt|46|Johto}}. South of the pond, the eastern half rejoins the western half as well. In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, a river flowing down the mountain splits the route down the middle. However, it is not accessible by {{m|Surf}}ing.

==Items==
{{incomplete|section|Details on how to get the PP Up from Kenji}}
{{itlisth|mountain}}
{{Itemlist|Elixir|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|Center path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|X Special|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|display=[[X Sp. Atk|X Special]]|sprite=Bag X Sp. Atk Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|In the middle of the pond at the south end of the route (requires {{m|Surf}}) ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|None|Near the pond at the south end of the route (daily)|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display=[[MysteryBerry]]}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|Left path|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Left path|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|East of the grass south of the Nugget ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Grn Apricorn|Near the pond at the south end of the route (daily)|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Green Apricorn|Grn Apricorn]]}}
{{Itemlist|PP Max|On a ledge at the southern end of the route (requires {{m|Rock Climb}}) ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|Given by Blackbelt Kenji if the player calls him during his lunch break|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Iron|Given by Hiker Parry after defeating him in a rematch|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{itlistfoot|mountain}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
''In the Japanese and Korean versions of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, {{p|Teddiursa}} appears only in Silver, while {{p|Phanpy}} appears only in Gold.''
{{Catch/header|mountain}}
{{Catch/entry2|074|Geodude|yes|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|no|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|yes|no|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23-27|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|207|Gligar|yes|no|yes|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|216|Teddiursa|yes|no|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|yes|no|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|no|yes|Grass|27|5%|5%|0%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|no|yes|Grass|20|5%|0%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|no|yes|Grass|25-30|10%|15%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}

{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=30%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/entry2|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|mountain|4}}
{{Catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|no|yes|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|207|Gligar|yes|no|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|216|Teddiursa|no|yes|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|227|Skarmory|no|yes|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|231|Phanpy|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Surf|2-25|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=93%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Headbutt}}
{{Catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-27|all=50% 80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|190|Aipom|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-27|all=20%|type1=Normal|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|214|Heracross|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-25|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting|10=j}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Swarm}}
{{Catch/entryhs|333|Swablu|yes|yes|Swarm|23|all=40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Special}}
{{Catch/entryhs|264|Linoone|yes|yes|Hoenn|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|293|Whismur|yes|yes|Hoenn|23|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|399|Bidoof|yes|yes|Sinnoh|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|418|Buizel|yes|yes|Sinnoh|23|all=20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

==Trainers==
===Generation II===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Ryan|1296|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Kelly|1152|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|928|1|095|Onix|♂|29|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Blackbelt.png|Blackbelt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Camper.png|Camper|Quentin{{sup/2|C}}|600|3|022|Fearow|♂|30|None|057|Primeape|♂|30|None|128|Tauros|♂|30|None|36=リョウヘイ|37=Ryōhei}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain|Rematch}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry{{tt|*|First rematch}}|1056|2|095|Onix|♂|35|None|220|Swinub|♂|33|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===Generation IV===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Ace Trainer M.png|Ace Trainer|Ryan|1620|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Ace Trainer F.png|Ace Trainer|Kelly|1440|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|960|1|095|Onix|♂|30|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain|Rematch}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji{{tt|*|First rematch}}|768|4|095|Onix|♂|27|None|106|Hitmonlee|♂|32|None|095|Onix|♂|27|None|067|Machoke|♂|32|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|{{tt|888|Second rematch}}/{{tt|1272|Third rematch onwards}}|4|095|Onix|♂|{{tt|30|Second rematch}}/{{tt|41|Third rematch onwards}}|None|106|Hitmonlee|♂|{{tt|41|Second rematch}}/{{tt|53|Third rematch onwards}}|None|095|Onix|♂|{{tt|33|Second rematch}}/{{tt|49|Third rematch onwards}}|None|068|Machamp|♂|{{tt|37|Second rematch}}/{{tt|53|Third rematch onwards}}|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry{{tt|*|First rematch}}|1120|2|095|Onix|♂|38|None|075|Graveler|♂|35|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry{{tt|*|Second rematch}}|1184|2|208|Steelix|♂|41|None|075|Graveler|♂|37|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry{{tt|*|Third rematch onwards}}|1664|2|208|Steelix|♂|56|None|076|Golem|♂|52|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

{{Johto}} 
{{Project Routes notice}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 045]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations|Route 045]]

[[de:Route 45 (Johto)]]
[[es:Ruta 45]]
[[fr:Route 45]]
[[it:Percorso 45 (Johto)]]
[[ja:45ばんどうろ (ジョウト地方)]]
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Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

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User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

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;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Why not just delete the dead ref? ==

Referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=BW050&curid=146215&diff=2462137&oldid=2462136 this]. Why not just delete it? Or replace it with [citation needed]? Just curious. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:Because (AFAIK) it ''was'' a valid reference. Removing that makes it unsourced and liable to be removed by someone (and even "citation needed" kind of implies the claim was never backed up), and I don't think that's really appropriate if it was valid before.
:I don't think this is a "good" solution. In point of fact, I don't ''know'' a good solution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I did google the link in hopes for an archive somewhere, but said page was literally the only result. I'm sorry that I can't help. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, what about an <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki> template? Just explain that the link is dead. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
:::That's not what it's really meant for, and it seems like overkill for a piece of trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== Birth of Mewtwo link ==

I'm really sorry. I just wanted Bulbapedia to have a copy of at least the script. I couldn't find a decent-looking website that had an english text translation, so I took to YouTube. Which was probably my big mistake. [[User:Ericbazinga|Ericbazinga]] ([[User talk:Ericbazinga|talk]]) 20:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
:We don't really need (or possibly want) a whole English translation either. We have plot summaries/synopses for a reason. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

== SMD Update ==

Hey Tiddlywinks!
Just an update on SMD. I tried resetting to find the locations of the missions, and it appears there are multiple, but not infinite, number of locations for the missions. However, I can never be certain whether I've found all the locations just for that one Pokémon, and doing this for ALL of the Pokémon is too big of a task for me. Plus, the locations may change throughout the story. For example, when the player moves to Lively Town, you get to access more areas. So (I think) it is impossible to find all locations, so I suggest removing the location column from the [[Connection Orb]] page. On top, my computer is not high tech enough to edit that table without significant lag, so I don't know how I'll edit that table using the data I've gleaned so far.

I was also editing the [[Seed]]s article today, but the buy and sell price for Heal Seed in SMD doesn't appear. I don't think I did anything wrong so I'm thinking the table can't support four buy and sell prices at once.

Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:In that case, the thing we may want to be noting for each Pokemon is how you can ''meet'' them. That is, note where they can be found in the overworld or whose mission to complete to automatically be connected to them (or both if a Pokemon can be met either way). So then we could basicallly just let people find the Pokemon, and they can just view their own Connection Orb to see where they need to go for that Pokemon's mission. (The only other thing I think might be nice would be noting if there's a ''requirement'' before a Pokemon will ask you for a mission--supposing they don't offer immediately after being met, or the day after being met or something. But if it's not that, there could also just be some random element to it. IDK.)
:I'll take look at Seeds later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, if you tell me what the SMD buy/sell price is, I can add it if I fix it or whatever. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. How you meet them would come under the "Methods" column right (e.g. Chansey gets connected in connection with Rotom after completing Rotom's mission, or Azumarill gets connected when you talk to it at Cafe Connection)? Also, instead of "location", you can have "rewards" as a column. But I'm not sure how important it is because only a small percent of missions give rewards.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Nah, the last three were all supposed to be about connecting, not meeting. The best example for Method is something like Traveling Pokemon; there's still a location, but not exactly a mission.
:::Maybe we can just have two columns (scrapping the current last three entirely), like "Overworld" and "Acquaintances".
:::I'm a little curious about cases like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=14m Azurill]. I wonder if there are any cases where it might, somehow, be possible to ''meet'' a Pokemon like that in the overworld or by an acquaintance connection if you skip the auto-connect Pokemon for a while. That would make things a little interesting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Wowy, could you clarify what you mean by multiple locations for the missions? Are you talking about the Connection Orb requests, Traveling Pokemon, overworld, all of them, or some combination, and what exactly varies? Certain requests simply would not work if they weren't in specific dungeons, and there's data (I can elaborate later if needed) that suggests that Traveling Pokemon (and fleeing/fainted) are locked to specific dungeons after a certain point, though the exact floor they appear on may differ. Non-static Overworld Pokemon do get shuffled around each in-game day, though (early-game Serene Village stuff could have some differences, admittedly).
::::Also, I agree that the everything in the Mission column could fit in the Method one, at the very least. I'm pretty sure that every connection/acquaintance is completely set, and it's not possible to recruit any acquaintance Pokemon separately (and if there was, it would be an oversight and could be noted as such unless more interesting effects happened). I think it could even be reasonable to group Acquaintance Pokemon with the 'main' one to make it more obvious that all of those Pokemon are recruited as a group for doing a specific thing, but it could hurt sortability. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean about non-static overworld Pokemon exactly? Are there a bunch of Pokemon that can just have random locations? (I'd kind of figured Pokemon in Cafe Connection might have unique circumstances, but otherwise I would mostly expect most Pokemon to be in just one place... Maybe not story characters, I guess?)
:::::Also, do you mean, for instance, that Azurill isn't even present ''anywhere'' in the overworld? Or Umbreon or Espeon? Or ''anyone'' who's labeled "connection of client" on [[Connection Orb]]? Or what? I'd kind of assumed basically everyone would be somewhere... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, there are many Pokemon who are always found in a set location based on which day of the story it is (or section of the epilogue since you don't have to progress the first parts of that storyline immediately). These include the story-relevant characters, but also many other characters of usually minimal importance. In Serene Village/Lively Town, these ones will usually say something that makes sense to the player/partner, or they're having a conversation with another static villager. In the other towns, there are also Pokemon that are always in the same spot. Though, outside of the story-relevant trip to the Air Continent, I think they more or less say the same things.
::::::Then there are other spots, some scattered around the towns, but also in Cafe Connection (these are always the same locations regardless of the 'day'), that have a random Pokemon from a set list. These include Victini, many starters/evolved starters, Roserade/Gallade, Azumarill (this one might be a special case but I'm not sure), and quite a few more. These random Pokemon include some of the ones who give requests through the Connection Orb, and I believe you can accept the request either through talking to them or through the Connection Orb. If these Pokemon don't have a request/connect with you immediately, they will just tell you a one-liner which never changes. Which Pokemon is in each spot changes every day, for the most part (there were some Pokemon who had uncompleted requests who seemed to stick around in the same spot until I finished it). I'm pretty sure there are a decent amount of non-legendary Pokemon that can never appear in this way. For example, the only letter Unown (memory is fuzzy on ? and ! and they're separate from the others in a few ways) that ever appeared for me in this way are the ones who connect directly with you, and they acquaintance-connect many of the other Unown. Additionally, some of the Rotom formes can be found and talked to in this way before you connect with them (as traveling Pokemon), and won't automatically connect with you in the overworld.
::::::I'm not sure if I ever saw Azurill or Espeon, and I'm pretty sure I never saw Umbreon, but my memory is fuzzy on this. It did take me a while to connect with all the Eeveelutions though, and I only ever recruited them through their requests/as acquaintances/traveling Pokemon. Every overworld Pokemon, static or not, that can be connected just through talking to them almost certainly has some sort of trigger that allows them to be open for connection. For many static Pokemon and the various random starters, that trigger is completing the epilogue's story arc, but many others I'm not so sure about. I hope that was able to clarify some things, it's hard to remember many of the minutiae regarding specific Pokemon. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The Rotom forms, you mean even if you talk to them they don't get registered as "met" in the Connection Orb? (If you're not sure, do you know/can you tell me where they are in the overworld?)
:::::::Half the reason I only had a place for ''connection'' requirements on [[Connection Orb]] was because it's what was there beforehand; the other half of the reason is that there's already a fair amount of columns. But "meet" requirements are arguably just as important if not more. (It's also worth noting that this stuff should also be on individual Pokemon pages under Game locations. For now, ''both'' meet and connect requirements would be good... That way we can always decide we don't want one or the other.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::No, they do get met, sorry if that was confusing, and whenever I say connected, I mean they become usable in expeditions, which I think is the main thing that matters. Adding a meet requirements column feels needlessly convoluted, since most Pokemon are 'met' through connections anyway, and the rest are quickly found in towns (maybe a list of the Pokemon in the towns could be helpful). Pokemon that have requests (beyond the first one or two for each group from what I remember) will only give those requests if they're adjacent to a Pokemon you're connected to and the dungeon their request is in is able to be visited. Okay, thinking about it, trying to do this in the current table doesn't feel like it's worth it to me, but if it was possible to make some sort of flowchart designating which missions or conditions you might need to do for each particular Pokemon, it could work out, I suppose. That's still something else for the most part though...
::::::::Actually, maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Perhaps a prerequisite column could be okay. For example, you need to reach a certain rank to unlock the dungeon to connect with Articuno, and we would put x Rank in that column. Doing that unlocks the Moltres dungeon, and for Moltres we'd put Articuno in the pre-requisite column there, and so on? [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 01:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's anyone you can't '''meet''' by connecting with nearby Pokemon or just by playing through the storyline, who you need to specifically search out and talk to to meet them (who you can ''skip''—even if they're impossible to miss at some point, if you're not absolutely ''required'' to talk to them, you could always skip by them and forget...), then they'd probably need a note—somehow—about where to meet them. ''Maybe'' it wouldn't be worth it for everyone... (I'm still not totally sure, simply because I'm having to rely on others, I don't have the game to experience things for myself.)
:::::::::If the Pokemon with random locations for missions at least always have the same mission, then it might be possible to just say "Random" for the location (if there's ''any'' apparent limit on that, like "on the Air Continent" or Rank X-dungeon or something, it might be worth including that--but not crucial if even that's a lot of work).
:::::::::Ideally, a dungeon's rank requirement should simply be on its page so that (as long as the location is fixed and it's not "Random") people can just click on the link to figure out that sort of prerequisite. And Moltres and Articuno are already noted as having a connection. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Fair enough, I understand where you're coming from at least. The easiest way to test it would probably be to avoid talking to the non-Ghost Rotom forms and seeing if any of them still appear as traveling Pokemon, since they don't have connections with other Pokemon and don't appear as wild Pokemon to my knowledge (encountering a generic wild Pokemon in a dungeon is another way to 'meet' that Pokemon that I forgot about earlier). At least in my limited experience of a single (rather thorough) playthrough, meeting Pokemon only ever seemed to only be completely cosmetic, but if the Rotom forms don't ever show up in dungeons under those circumstances, I agree that it'd be necessary. We can cross that bridge when we get there, though. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 05:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't see this. Just to answer VioletPumpkin's first question, I was talking specifically about the locations of missions. For a particular mission, there can be several locations where that mission can be held. (For example, Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). These locations aren't totally random, but finding all possible locations for all missions is too hard. Some missions may have set locations, but I can't be certain of that because I haven't gone far enough to confirm. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hi! I have a request which I hope you will be happy to do. For the [[Connection Orb]] page, will you be happy to split up the table into the different sets (1,2,3... [ignoring any changes that might be made to the table later per discussion above]) so that they each have a separate edit-able section? It's probably not the most sensible thing to do, but the table is way too laggy for me to edit, and probably for other users too, and I'm wanting to edit it as I go along, rather than doing it all in one huge bunch at the end. Unless you can think of another alternative.

Also while I have a staff member's attention, will you be able to change the template for Mystery Dungeon items so that they show up a 4th buy and sell price? It's locked so I can't edit it. Thanks! :) --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:First and foremost, you can always update Game locations data on individual Pokemon pages. And I currently think the table should stay as it is/focus on ''connection'' (as opposed to ''meet'') requirements, with location noted as "Random" if it's not apparently fixed..
:If I have a "big" concern about splitting the table, it's probably that that'd mean 30+ subsections for the tables, which is a bit extreme. (Not terrible, but not so pretty either.)
:(Just to check, when you say it's too laggy, do you mean you can't even get a preview? Or that it takes several/many seconds to preview? If it's the latter (which is what happens for me), that shouldn't be a terrible impediment; just concentrate on filling in the table/code, and only worry about preview sparingly.)
:I'm not entirely satisfied with just adding a 4th price option... Not with the fact that pretty much every MD game seems to have a different price for some items like the Heal Seed (...will that continue forever?), nor with the fact that all those prices are only disambiguated by cumbersome tooltipped notes. I'll try to shop around for any better ideas for those prices, but I can't really think of much myself, so in the end I may just add the 4th price... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::What I mean by lag is that I try writing a few words and it takes a whole minute for those words to appear. But I'm going around that problem now by copying it onto a Word document first, and then pasting it back onto the page. The only flaw I know of doing this is that ' appears as ’ when pasted back, so I'll have to change these manually.
::About the item templates, I agree that having 4 price options makes the table look cluttered, but I haven't thought of any other options so far. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I see, I hardly would have imagined a problem like that with mostly just text on a page. =P If you want to solve ' changing to ’ in Word, you could consider using a simpler program like just Notepad or Wordpad. (There might also be some AutoCorrect options under Tools or something that controls that change in Word.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm hardly even sure what now, but I got caught up in other things and quite forgot about the buy/sell stuff here! I've updated the item template now. Heal Seed on [[Seed]] is working fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for that! I don't know what will/should happen with future releases though. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 10:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

== The cave on this page is incorrect ==

I am new to this sit and I wanted to help out with a few things. I started to edit things and then you just put them back the way they were. The cave listed in castellia sewers is 100% incorrect. It is not the cave, it is actually the relic passage and the pokemon in the area are listed incorrectly as well in the cave you will find Timburr, Ratatta, Woobat, Onix, and Roggenrola. Somehow the numbers I found for these were incorrect so I was trying to change them to get the correct image to display. If you could help in changing this it would be greatly appreciated. {{unsigned|Digidoggie18}}
:To be clear, are you saying that the "Available Pokemon" table in [[Appendix:Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough/Section 4#Castelia Sewers|this section]] (the first one, with only 3 Pokemon) is incorrect? And are you saying that you are not finding the Pokemon listed in that table while walking in [[a:File:Castelia Sewers dry B2W2.png|this area]]? That, when you walk in that area, you find Pokemon like Roggenrola?
:I'm ''pretty'' sure our information is correct, especially if you look at our main pages for those locations ([[Castelia Sewers]] and [[Relic Passage]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:39, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Did you seriously just look at my contributions list and revert all my edits on trivia sections? ==

Header says it all. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Great question. If you mean, like, today...no. Anything much earlier...and I really don't remember anything that you might be referring to right now. (At that, in the past month, I've apparently only reverted ONE edit of yours (directly).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, just making sure. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Mainspacing ==

I've got [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Nescientist/Niantic,_Inc. an article] in my userspace that I want to see in the mainspace. So, what's the procedure? The article seems very much notable (especially in these days), I believe it's decent, the page is not protected or anything, and if we'd not link to wikipedia all the time, it would be linked to in popular places. So, move it, then link to it? Just to be safe, and just to be sure to waste your time once again. :D [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for asking! As it happens, mainspacing decisions (and moving and other similar stuff) are generally supposed to be left to staff/the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. I'll bring it to the proper attention. You're right, it is very relevant right now, so hopefully we can sort it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! I thought I read something like that before somewhere, but it seems I was also bad at browsing policy pages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, believe me, I understand how it can be easy to miss. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

==Need a second opinion==
I was able to get more Mirage Spots later on during one day so I am thinking there might be a 12-hour window before players can get more Mirage Spots for that day on Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Can you help me confirm this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:First you probably want to see if you can repeat that a few times in a row. Shouldn't be ''too'' hard. Try it at about 9 AM (or whatever), then 9 PM, then 9 AM again, then 9 PM again. If it seems to work out each time, then that's interesting... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::To maybe save you some trouble, connecting to the internet in-game (while StreetPass is enabled?) gives you data that's functionally identical to StreetPass data for the random passerbys that appear automatically (giving you Secret Bases, extra Mirage Spots, etc.) on the PSS. This would occasionally happen in the same day, and it seemed to me like this function was on the same 8 hour StreetPass cooldown that would happen if you were to StreetPass another 3DS/relay. The BuzzNav should update when this happens, just so you know. Apologies if this wasn't what you were talking about. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Actually I did, after it happened the first time, I was able to do it again. If you do it early in the morning, and wait until night you can see those numbers on the BuzzNav. I also did find that in addition to the previous mirage spots, the additional Mirage Spots are also seen. I also saw these reset at the beginning of the next day as well. All that needs to be done is pinpoint how many hours it takes for that little trick to happen before it can be posted in the mainspace. If you can do something like this for yourself it will help you understand this better, so I recommended doing the first part of this in the morning as soon as you can. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding the links on "List of glitch Pokemon" ==

I made them into links so that they would appear on the "wanted pages" list. Are there already articles about those Pokemon? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:It's a simple description. We don't need any page about ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::But I really want to know what it is. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Glitch Pokemon are not at all my specialty, but I don't think there's ''anything'' notable about the Gen VI "glitch Pokemon" for index 000 or 723. If you want to try to make a userpage about it, please feel free.
:::In the meantime, the main point is, ""Egg" with Bulbasaur's model" is simply NOT an appropriate name for some glitch Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there a particular reason why the real name isn't on Bublapedia? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::There is no "real name". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Then what is it called when it's forced to exist in the game? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Like I said, I really don't know about glitches. I'm not the right person to ask about this thing. People somewhere like the [http://forums.glitchcity.info/ Glitch City Laboratories forums] probably know more if there's anything to know. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Then why did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Tell you what. If you make a userpage about the 000-index Pokemon, then we can talk some more. Until then, I'm sorry, but this just isn't going anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::If I make such a userpage and add a stub template, will it appear on the list of stubs? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Make it first. Worry about anything else later. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you revert my edit to the glitch types page? ==

If I wasn't supposed to edit the page without reason, for what reason did you revert my edit? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:For being an inappropriate edit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

== New Attack: Highhorse Power ==

Hey, there. Today on Serebii.net, they showed a new attack that Mudsdale used. It is called Highhorse Power and it is a ground-type move. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seasbiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, this is almost completely unverifiable at the moment. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

== Starting sentences with conjunctions ==

Not at all a Bulbapedia rule, more so a rule of the English Language, albeit a disputed rule, so don't show me a source that contradicts me, as I know full well you could find loads. The point is, sentences begining with conjunctions have no place on a formal website such as this one. You'd perhaps find it where the sentence represents a voice: a blog post or speech within a novel. That particular point of trivia looks sloppy as it is written currently and I, truly, ponder why it is you thought 'Seen as' didn't make for a coherent formal scentence and how you could possibly think it was better to revert the edit. I'll concede that 'Seen as' may not comply with the general style of Bulbapedia trivia, but niether does 'because'. I think an admin should presnt a greater example, and show a better way of fixing the problem, rather than just reverting the edit like a user who began three days ago.

* {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Clefairy}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Jynx}}, {{p|Electabuzz}}, and {{p|Magmar}} are all capable of hatcing from {{pkmn|eggs}}, despite this being impossible in any [[main series]] game. These Pokémon's pre-evolved forms were not introduced until [[Generation II]], nor was the [[breeding]] mechanic, while only [[Generation I]] Pokémon are featured in Pokémon GO. This is, likely, the reason for the discrepacy.

This would be a better way to present the trivia, though I'll query the "notability" of the point. I added points of trivia concerning simalur discrepacys regarding Pokémon in Pokémon GO being capable of moves they can not learn in the main series; such as Golem lerning Mud Shot, and Grimer lerning Acid. They were all removed for not being deemed "notable". [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 08:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(grammar)
:I think you're thinking of coordinating conjunctions like "but", as opposed to subordinating conjunctions like "because". They are quite different beasts. (In fact, before your comment here, I wouldn't even have thought to call "because" a conjunction of any sort.) Plenty of the examples the above page gives for subordinating conjunctions are easily used at the start of a sentence, like "As soon as [Ash got home]", "Even if [he lost]", "Until [he won]".
:And "seeing as" (not "seen as") is functionally speaking exactly the same as "because". Anything that can simply substitute for "because" ''must'' function exactly like it (or close enough to make no difference). If it were really that bad, you'd have to restructure the whole sentence, not just substitute something else in for "because".
:But it's perfectly fine as is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because

:: Have you only addressed the first line of my message? I did "restructure the whole scentence". I won't argue this further; my final piece is that to begin a point of trivia with any subordinating conjunction, be it: 'because', 'as soon as' or 'although' is sloppy and does not give the impression that the pages are written with professionalism and seriousness, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't know what that link is supposed to demonstrate.
:::The part about restructuring the whole sentence, I was referring to your original edit, not the option in your comment here.
:::Also... [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=although&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search An 'although' search on Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=because a 'because' search]. If you search either of those pages for ". [word]", you'll find plenty of cases where those words start a sentence. The big daddy of wikis doesn't seem to care that much. In fact... Have a gander at {{wp|Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Things that do not need to be fixed}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

== New move powers in GO ==

So, did you undo my edit in the list primarily because you can't get back the old move powers? If so, does it matter? As I said, it's been official and publicly available, and I believe that's what a wiki should cover. After all, we do, for example, cover glitches that have meanwhile been patched, or websites that are now defunct; and I think we should be. Would Niantic rename Gyms, we would certainly not ''not'' mention they were once called like that, would we? It may not be particularly helpful (on the list), but I didn't add it because I thought it was. I've basically done the asterisks because they're at [[list of moves]] (although I admit there are fewer of those there, at least currently), and the Go list is clearly thought to mirror that somewhat. Would you also disagree to add the changed move powers to the moves' pages, as we do for the core series? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:56, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:Half because like I said. Half because asterisk notes are not an ideal way of doing it: they make the reader think there's something "important" there, when (again, since you can't get it back) it's not. Personally, I don't even think an extra column would be worth it. (Not ''worthless'', but far too little worth for the bloat/whatnot.) The nearest solution I've come up with is adding something to the main GO page's Version history.
:If you have to download a patch and it's optional, then arguably we do ''need'' to keep covering it, since some people may still have old versions. (The hypothetical about Gyms, in particular, is pretty different than move powers. Everyone knows a "Gym". Everyone does not know every move's exact power. And a defunct website is also fairly different; it's not a ''changed'' website (which is also different from changed ''move stats'').) But this was changed server-side, so you absolutely can't hold onto it or get it back.
:...I would not, personally, really be happy with tt notes on individual moves' pages about old stats. But you also don't especially need to use tt there; you could just write out that these stats got changed. That's quite fine by me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, I only mentioned patches, defunct websites or renaming Gyms (I should've chosen Pokéstops :P) as a great way to illustrate that "you can't get it back" is a weak argument. I'm definitely against an extra column (because that would be half empty?). I'm much more concerned about conformity that about having all info everywhere. And we do have tt's for core series move power changes on the individual pages. So, if you could maybe do whatever is in your mind at, say, {{m|Bug Bite}}, I could do the rest!?
:: So, could we possibly settle on the following then:
::# Adding a subsection at [[List of modified moves]] (and rewording the intro)? Seems better than at the main Go page; we could link to the new subsection from there instead.
::# Removing asterisks from [[list of moves]]?
::# The thing about Bug Bite I just mentioned? (We may also opt to not do that if we do 1.)
::Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::For Bug Bite, you'd just add something like, "Prior to an update to Niantic's servers on July 30, Bug Bite had a power of [X]."
:::List of moves is very different from anything related to this change in GO. The asterisks on that page are about things in different Generations...things people playing a game in that generation will be dealing with and may need to know. Those aren't getting removed.
:::I'm also not all for putting this GO data on the list of modified moves either. Again, those are things you ''can'' go back to, depending on which generation you play. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So, asterisk then basically means "toggle if you're playing old game, you need different info", and that's why you removed them at GO? Got it. And I'm sorry, could you just do it over at Bug Bite please (it was 6)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, Sir. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Camp Pokémon ==

Hey, so I noticed that in the side game data, there was nothing on Camp Pokémon. On my user page, I tried to make a template and I have the information on all of the Pokémon on it for there. I can make all of the things myself and add them there, I was just wanting some feedback? [[User:IHHeroes|IHHeroes]] ([[User talk:IHHeroes|talk]]) 04:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
:Try making a user page putting together this information somehow. There are (arguably) some games that really just aren't substantial enough to warrant much if any mention among species' game data, and from looking at the [[Camp Pokémon]] page, I can't really tell what there might be that ''should'' be on the species pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

== The route to improve the damage article ==

You'd be my best guess on a user to assist in this math- and programming-intensive issue (no offense, {{u|BulbaBot}}); and I hope you're capable of TeX for the remainder of this post. So, just to say it out load, the obvious way for the rounding problem is to remove the current formula, replace it by the correct one, and update the article accordingly. This would involve updating the image formulas over at the Archives, so we should update the images and the articles kinda simultaneously.

So, Tiddlywinks, I want to ask you, will you be my TeX-to-Archives-image converter, from this day on to the end of... tomorrow? So please answer with "Yes, I will."

I would then create a userpage with TeX-code where images should be, and alert you once I'm done, so you could wreck havoc at the Archives and update the damage article accordingly. I guess this should be the proper way to do it.

I would personally be going for \cdot over \times, and for including \lfloor and \rfloor in the formulas as well (and not ''only'' mentioning them in prose), but I would like your opinion on that. Additionally, I would be interested in whether they're actually actively rounding down, or they're just doing some kind of float-to-int-conversion. The code's in the Smogon reference that's on the page, but I cannot reliably make sense of it (and ''possibly'' you could!?) Again, if you don't speak TeX (there's no user template for it, unfortunately :P), I'm sure we could find another method. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure how everyone else makes images for formulas, but I've been using [http://www.codecogs.com/eqnedit.php this]. Perhaps you can use that too. If you'd still like me to plug in those formulas, though, I can do it. (If you do it yourself, I'll suggest that the variables for "Level" and "(Base)Power" be written out as such, whereas the Attack/Defense variables can perhaps be left as "A"/"D", which will make it a little harder for people to assume it means the physical stats and a little easier for us to define those in text as ''dependent'' on the move category.)
:I will note also, the images on the Damage page will take a good while to update on the page once they've been updated on the Archives. (About a month, from past experience.) ...But it may be possible to write text that pretty much works for either formula.
:Rounding/integers: the Smogon article says right out that "''÷ always denotes the in-game unsigned divmod function, i.e. the unrounded/truncated integer division''". Going by that, the formula on the Dragonflycave page that has <code>floor(2 * L / 5 + 2)</code> should probably technically be <code>(2 * floor(L / 5) + 2)</code>, which could make a difference if you had something like level=13 (floor(2*2.6) = 5, whereas 2*floor(2.6) = 4). By contrast, Smogon says applying any modifier actually ends with a straight ''rounding'' (decimals <=0.5 are rounded down, otherwise it's rounded up). It may also be worth noting that, according to Smogon/for Gen V at least, there are a few modifiers that come before the random damage factor. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for spotting the division thing. Looking at both sources (Smogon basically has the same formula than Dragonfly, it's just us who've re-written it), I guess it should technically be <code>floor((2*L)/5) + 2</code> and not what you said, which shouldn't make a difference (5 in your example either way). The tool is basically a TeX-image converter, but it'd be cool if you could still account for the Archives part (not being confirmed on Archives and such), would you? I don't know yet whether it will be possible to write text that works either way (I guess not if we're renaming). I thought the images update on bp if I edit the article? If not, maybe we should (if it's text that only works the new way) upload new images instead of updating old ones?
::Anyway, got opinions regarding last message's last paragraph? Also, there's a tradeoff between having <code>Damage=...*Modifier [next line] where Modifier=a*b*...</code> vs. having <code>Damage=...*a*b*...</code> (image size vs. inventing/defining "Modifier"); got an opinion on that as well? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, yeah, I managed to miss how Smogon's page said (2*level), not 2*level. I might've just gotten confused by looking at both the pages. Yeah, in that case, Dragonflycave's format is practically speaking the same thing.
:::Got it, if you can't do the uploading, sure. (Trying to put a bit of time in at the Archives might be a good idea for future needs too. =P )
:::I think there are cases where an image might update right away, but I wouldn't bet on it. And uploading new images just because the old ones are cached isn't really appropriate.
:::The floors can be included, and the times operator should probably be something more visible than \cdot (\times just because that's apparently our standard in most other formulas). Since there's already a modifier image in the article currently, and putting them together would definitely make the formula quite long, I think it's best to just keep them separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the fast reply. Makes sense. Just wanna add that I guess ''most'' modifiers are applied before the random damage factor. (Let's probably discuss this further once I got the userpage ready.) Opinion: Shouldn't Smogon's modifiers for A and D be located at [[Statistic#In-battle modification]] rather than at [[damage]]? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Smogon appears to say that the random factor is the 4th of 8 modifiers, the [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula#final last of which] has many and overlapping possibile components itself. (If you were counting the base power, attack, and defense modifications, those aren't part of the same modifier component, so to speak.)
:::::Smogon's base power, attack stat, and defense stat sections (sections 3-5) can probably be offloaded to other pages, yeah, with appropriate nods/links (like [[power]] and [[Statistic#In-battle modification]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Started my article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|here]], with lots of info/considerations/todos hidden. Apart from the missing example, that's the basic outline that should do it. Note that I didn't do floor (or hid it, cause the formula looks way to confusing imho), but instead just explained it in prose. The old descriptions will not make it, cause there's new factors, and "A" and "D" have been renamed. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I have now finished what I had in mind, including the formulas that would need to be uploaded. From the HTML-hidden notes, do you happen to know an easy way to do 1 (I guess you can tell what I had in mind)? For some of the other notes, I feel I kinda lack the authority to decide on my own. If you want to edit the article or discuss something, feel free. Feel free to also remove the HTML-hidden notes if you want to move it or something (I have them here). Thank you very much. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::(Without having read the whole page super thoroughly) I can't actually tell what the "hidden details" your "1" is referring to are. I'll take some time trying to consider all sorts of stuff otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I mean the expandable tables/texts on the page. Whatever you see looks ugly. I wasn't (easily) able to make them look how they're supposed to. Thanks for your time! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, I see. I keep Javascript disabled as a rule, so I had no idea those were even supposed to be hidden/collapsed. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::As this is related, we should also be splitting off the "Attack modifiers" (how Smogon calls 'em) from our {{stat|In-battle modification}} (the rest would be "boost level"). {{m|Foul Play}} apparently uses the target's (base) Attack stat and "boost levels", but applies "Attack modifiers" as normal (and I cannot currently word it). The same holds true for Defense modifiers, and I guess for everything else that does also not count towards the maximum/minimum of 6 stages. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Edit: Managed to reword Foul Play, but the mentioned section could still need a split. As in, later. :P [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
1) I don't see any real need to split the things that change stat stages from the things the modify stats in any other way. The latter is already differentiated by being labeled '''Other''' in the table.

2) A tip in regards to Foul Play: don't use a phrase like "stat modifiers" too broadly. It especially should not be used to attempt to refer to stat stages (or "boost levels"), which already have a well-recognized name—trying to refer to that with the words "stat modifiers" is only confusing. It shouldn't even be used to refer to all "modifiers", including stat stages, simply because it's ill-defined. Something like "stat stage and all other modifiers" would be a much clearer way to identify all modifiers. (Really, "modifiers" is only clear when directly contrasted with stat stages.)

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:The need is the max/min limit. And '''Other''' is not (currently) used exclusively for that. (But that's all rather minor.) I was using "stat modifiers" specifically because that's what our stat page uses (like for virtually everything), and not "stat stages" (as a term) or "boost levels". And while the current wording is much better/clearer than mine, it still might sound like it references the user for Reflect, Multiscale, or even Defense, as well. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::And pretty much everything outside of the Statistic page will refer very specifically to stat stages when speaking of them, and not jump through hoops trying to use the word "modifier".
::Like you say, the user case is basically the ''normal'' case (except that trying to use that word in the description is confusing); that should be pretty well understandable. If it helps, you could think of it like the damage formula ''acts'' (so to speak) from the user/target's ''perspective''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, I know, I checked, I read the code, and I'm quite sure I understood it. Nothing changes except for the Attack stat and the Attack stat stages being taken from the target instead of the user. Yet that's not what the current descriptions says. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I wasn't talking about the code or that sort of thing. I was only talking about the description.
::::If your problem is still something to do with Reflect, Multiscale, or Defense: the effect description currently says it "references the user for all other modifiers to '''''Attack'''''" (and did originally, but I got confused by your edit summary when I redid it). Only Attack. Not Reflect, Multiscale, or any Defense modifiers in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry, I just thought you were unsure whether I actually understand what the move does. As you know, I was recently very much into everything that has to do with damage calculation, including code.
:::::Therefore, the current description is still not correct, as burn and many Abilities never modify "Attack". Please understand that this is not some kind of personal vendetta or anything. I do not want my specific wording to be on the description, not even my specific terms. We both want the description to be correct and clear, but if we cannot manage to have it correct ''and'' avoid saying "nothing else is different"/"everything else acts as normal", then we should not avoid saying that and have it incorrect, but we should have it correct and not avoid saying that. That's a very bad tradeoff, it's just not worth it then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Burn: now ''that'' bugs me, actually. I can't tell from the Gen V code what's actually going on, but Gen I and II do seem to account for a burn on the ''Attack'', not the damage. (Also, burn is always described as lowering Attack... If it's ''technically'' cutting physical damage, that's an annoying distinction to hide.)
::::::Abilities: again, as I wrote it, the description is only worried about all other modifiers '''to Attack'''. Abilities that don't modify Attack are completely outside of that consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're right about the burn in Gen I and II. I guess you can technically call that wording correct (and super-careful) then. So I'd be ok with it, if "type" was removed.
:::::::You should hopefully be able to tell what's going on after you've thoroughly read and considered my damage page :P (FYI, I've also analyzed/used [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc] and [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown], my wording is in accordance to the calculation, and my damage values are in accordance to [https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ their calculator's]) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If "you should be able to tell [...]" means you still have a problem with Abilities, then I don't see it, no. You'll just have to do a better job explaining if you think you still need to convince me. Maybe give specific examples.
::::::::Trusting derived programs is fraught with hazards. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It was not supposed to mean it. And I didn't trust those programs entirely, I just used them to doublecheck. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, is there any reason not use their code as "source"? They've clearly analyzed the game's code, and they are sooo super accurate for anything I have checked so far: If there was any contradiction, it was always others who had it wrong. It's far more accurate than we (currently) are or "regular" Smogon is, and also slightly more accurate than the Smogon article (that misses Whirlpool etc.). (Dragonfly is super, but not as concrete/detailed.)
::::::::::Interestingly, from checking their code, those Minimize-effect moves do not seem to "always hit" if the foe had used Minimize, but to just take their (base) [[accuracy]] no matter what; doesn't make a difference for Body Slam, but certainly for Dragon Rush. So, I'll be testing, and if they're correct there as well, I'd like to just treat it as the most accurate "source" we have, and go start "correct" everything that's wrong/imprecise. Ok?
::::::::::Also, do you have a place you'll be doing that in-battle modification split? If so, I'd be willing to start adding how everything affects/modifies stats to a table/tables (i.e. everything bar stat stages). And also power at [[power]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::You say it's clear they've analyzed the game, but I know of no particular reason it is. Nor do I have any idea how they've analyzed the games. We prefer to avoid assumptions. I'm not comfortable with just assuming those calculators are ''truly'' accurate, especially regarding some new mechanic or change. You can find some support, but don't just take their word (so to speak) for it—especially if there's no way (or hardly any) to be sure of the difference (like, for example, a burn halving physical damage instead of Attack).
:::::::::::I'm trying to balance a handful of things at the moment. I'll hope to make some more progress surrounding this damage stuff this weekend, here and there (though not necessarily "finish" (maybe, but not at all sure)). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Oh, I'm not talking of the calculator. I'm talking of their source code that's available on GitHub. There are comments in there that clearly show they basically (try to) port the game code, like [https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/blob/master/data/moves.js here]. I'm almost sure they can just read and understand the original.
::::::::::::Yes, thanks. I guess neither of us thought that this will end up in some "project" as big as this. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:52, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, by the calculator I meant more or less their source. Looking at the page you linked, I don't see anything that necessarily suggests they've looked at the games' source. All I can tell is they've apparently implemented things to function like the games. Is there a particular comment that indicated to you that they read the games' code? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yes, [https://github.com/Zarel/honko-damagecalc/blob/aa86908265db6d452606b3b69fca71323051e367/js/damage.js this] comes to my mind:
::::::::::::::"''// GameFreak rounds DOWN on .5''", and the entire "pokeround" rounding function they have no reason to include (in places where they include them) otherwise.
::::::::::::::They have also rewritten everything for Gen VI (by intact backwards-compatability), whereas if I had no access to the code, I would just have copy-pasted Gen V. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'll punt a bit and see what other staff think. A good part of this is just trust, especially as communicated by someone in a position to know. I've heard from trustworthy people that UPC is good. This calculator seems ''likely'' okay, but I'd still really like that actual trust factor (and/or clear testament or something from the developers). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Ok then. Just to clarify, it's not just the move calculator, but also their online battle simulator (else we had no accuracy etc.) But I'd like to point out that my trust in it in large part comes from checking what they have (in-game, UPC, the Smogon article, ...; they're right in contradictions; Minimize accuracy). And that it's virtually impossible to add details such as the burn thing if you trust noone (which you don't, but anyway). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Excuse me, Tiddlywinks, but do you happen to have any news regarding any of the topics we discussed? I'd really like to get things going before Sun-rise, even for reasons other than being selfish or only ''personally'' disliking current states. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've kind of been trying to do a few things recently before S/M comes out/PGL shuts down, and this isn't a '''huge''' priority, so I've been letting it slide. I haven't forgotten, I just haven't made time to finish it up yet either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I see. Thank you.
::::Just as some kind of explanation, or maybe excuse: It's just that I've been considering to check/correct move effects (''possibly'' after doing something with [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], but not sure) ''before'' I have no clue whether it's still up to date. (And this is not primarily about minor things.) As it's a rather time-consuming thing to do or plan, it would be open up opportunities ''at least for me'' if you could possibly move your judgment on Showdown a bit further upstream your priority list (at least above the damage article stuff).
::::I've seen other users at talk pages basically saying "''I just tested <effect> in <game>, it's not what the page says. Can someone confirm/correct?''", where I could just answer "''Yes, I already noticed that, I'm sure you're absolutely right, and that it is <effect2> instead, but yeah, the article doesn't reflect this.''" For me ''personally'', it's kinda sad to see others basically relying on info that's outdated from my point of view, and it's also weird to give answers that basically go "I'm sooo clever, trust me, don't trust Bulbapedia." (you may or may not believe me here :P) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Showdown? I may need to apologize. When I tried to ask about it, no one apparently knew much about it and I kind of forgot/didn't think about pursuing it myself. Part of me thought you would contact whoever's working on Showdown, too. I thought you were a bit more familiar with all of that, so you would know who to go to or where to look a little faster than I would if I had to look into it. So I haven't been thinking about that myself, actually. Unless you really do know well who to go to, I guess I can try to reach out to whoevers sometime today.
:::::And are you saying that you can't answer "Yes, I already noticed that [etc]" because you would know that from Showdown? We don't restrict people's "sources" on talk pages. If you want to say, "Yup, Showdown suggests such-and-such is the real mechanic(s)", you're entirely free to make that response. We're only strict with what makes it into mainspace pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:14, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, you said you'd check it or talk to whoever, so I didn't pursue asking others when I thought you did. (And ''if'' you're really eager to get some "testament" from developers, as it seemed you kinda were, I guess you (or staff) should try to get that anyway, not me!? I wouldn't see that as a must, personally.)
::::::I did answer it like that on talk pages. But I've restrained from changing anything on mainspace pages myself. (If you wanna, I was even kinda ahead whoever asked those questions.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The verdict is a negative for using Showdown as a source. We'd prefer more direct access to the disassembled instructions/workings as opposed to a necessarily derivative simulator. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I see. (Though I'd say Bulbapedia is ''at least'' just as "necessarily derivative" for the most relevant part.) So, what would be the appropriate procedure for me instead (like when there are contradictions etc.)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't really know how to answer that. Case by case?
:::::::::Try giving me an example of a contradiction. And then give me your best guess of what you would/could do. Maybe that'll help me understand well enough to give a better answer. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}(I don't know if this came out wrong, but I don't want to source Showdown as in reference them in the article. I'm not affliated in any way, I don't even play there.) So, I'm not sure, but I think "case by case" is kinda what I was asking for!? Let me sketch a few different cases that might show:

1. Well, probably have a look at {{m|Whirlwind}} in the last few days (minus the nonsense I did), as well as its talk. What I would have done ''in that case'' is to change it without testing.

2. Another example, starting with A: {{m|Astonish}}, according to Showdown, doubled in base power after Minimize in Gen III only (and was not the only move to do so). Nobody complained yet, and probably nobody on here will for quite some time, but Showdown data shows different, which I noticed. Seeing that UPC also says this, I would have changed that without testing.

3. {{m|Heat Crash}} up next: In Gen VI only, it doubles after Minimize. I've tested this in-game some time ago, and Showdown was correct; but in a case like that, I would also like to add it without testing. I have nothing that contradicts this, and it is highly likely nobody added it to Bulbapedia ''yet''. I would, of course, be super careful with Gen VI info in particular.

I have yet to go through all effects systematically, but I believe there also could be things like before someone complained at Whirlwind, that Bulbapedia ''explicitly'' contradicts Showdown (like before [[Special:Diff/2519038|this]]). I would have used common sense there, going with what's likely, what's unlikely, and being ''very'' careful on removing Bulbapedia info. Just assuming for a moment that nobody already noticed the contradiction in-game and that UPC (and Azure Heights, and if you have more you consider reliable, then these as well) had no data on Whirlwind, and Bulbapedia ''explicitly'' contradicts Showdown, I would go to Whirlwind's talk page (and/or Spading) and not change anything yet.

So, can I do that? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:1: I'm a little wary when you mention "change it without testing". If it was just after Hydroxybutyric's oriingal comment on [[Talk:Whirlwind (move)]], that would seem a bit hasty.
:2: UPC is a fine source.
:3: If you've tested it, that's fine. Do not presume Showdown is correct and "add it without testing".
:The long and short of it is, don't trust anything to Showdown solely. Consider it like Serebii or something: find an alternate source/proof. And don't just guess at what's "likely" or "unlikely". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::That seems like something I can work with (although it seems a bit restrictive imho, and from all I can tell, I believe I'm generally even slightly more... precautious than you). Depending on how much "Showdown-exclusive" info it will be, I guess I will go to individual talk pages or make up a "public" user page with accumulated contradictions (unless you have a better idea). Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== About the page splits mentioned on your userpage... ==

Are you ever going to finish them? It's been over two weeks since you said, "It's been over two weeks." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Some day. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Accuracy, accuracy, evasion, power ==

(Has nothing to do strictly with the damage article, but) I guess there are clear parallels for calculating "effective" normal/standard stats (i.e. Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Init), accuracy, evasion, and power:
# Start with the (base) Atk[/...] stat seen in-game / the [[accuracy|move accuracy]] seen in-game / a value of "1"/100[%] / the move's [[power]] seen in-game (or as calculated by special routines)
# Modify with [multiply by] the Atk[/...] stat stages / the {{stat|accuracy}} stat stages / the {{stat|evasion}} stat stages / [nothing for power]
# [modify SpDef with unique Sandstorm modifier here]
# Modify with [multiply by] effects of items, Abilities (iff they affect this here)
(And technically speaking, I'd therefore prefer to say Gravity and anything other than accuracy stat stages modify [[accuracy|(move) accuracy]] rather than the user's {{stat|accuracy}} stat, and have items/Abilities listed in that article rather than the stat page.) Just prominently saying/reminding, in case you intent to reformulate/work on any of that (or any moves/Abilities affected) in a moderately larger scale. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Effects of [[Badges]] come after 2 in early Gens, and 4 would also include {{m|Tailwind}}. Also, evasion is not calculated all on its own, but the evasion stat stages are simply subtracted from those of accuracy (in step 2) [http://www.dragonflycave.com/mechanics/battle#accuracy] (so technically, there is basically no "evasion stat", but only evasion stat stages). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::If nothing else, [[Statistic#Accuracy]] has the actual accuracy formula. I think that makes it a far better place to link to than [[Accuracy]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Actually, I guess you're right. (And this further justifies my proposed move of [[accuracy]].) Still, a split (or better just a mention somewhere, coz the table's so nice) between "affects stat stages" and "doesn't" would be nice. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::The In-battle modification table is nice (pretty), but I've been thinking it's a little cramped/haphazard/something, too. I intend to split it up a bit in the process of vetting its contents. It won't be the same kind of pretty, but I think it'll be a bit better in its own way too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::After thinking about it, I guess our formula is also wrong then. It at least contradicts what I just said Dragonflycave says. Have the user have +2 accuracy and the target +1 evasion (Gen V+), our formula gives <code>5/4</code>, but theirs gives <code>4/3</code>. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'll have to look at that later, then. I have to focus on squaring things away for Damage first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm quite sure our formula is off after Gen II (and that Dragonfly and the Showdown guys are right). I'll probably try to check in-game some time soon (and try to get a miss with a 75% move at -1 vs. a -2 opponent).
:::::::When you edit articles about accuracy (nice formulation btw), you may want to also (my favorite) limit {{cat|Moves that cannot miss}} to damaging (physical/special) moves (and remove status moves currently in it). Or to moves than can affect an opponent (and add weather-inducing moves, entry hazards, the Terrain moves, {{m|Sketch}}, {{m|Telekinesis}}, {{m|Miracle Eye}}, {{m|Odor Sleuth}}, {{m|Psych Up}}, {{m|Role Play}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Water Sport}}, {{m|Aromatherapy}}, {{m|Heal Bell}}, {{m|Block}}, {{m|Howl}}, {{m|Gravity}}, {{m|Tailwind}}, {{m|Guard Split}}, {{m|Power Split}}, {{m|Wonder Room}}, {{m|Magic Room}}, {{m|Heal Pulse}}, {{m|Reflect Type}}, {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Rototiller}}, {{m|Sticky Web}}, {{m|Ion Deluge}}, {{m|Flower Shield}}, {{m|Electrify}}, {{m|Fairy Lock}}, {{m|Play Nice}}, {{m|Confide}}). Or add virtually all status moves... You may also consider whether to add {{m|Thunder}}, {{m|Hurricane}}, {{m|Blizzard}} (or open a discussion or whatever). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:10, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Edit: better not add Thunder etc., or we'd also have to add {{cat|moves that power up against a Minimized opponent}}. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I tested, and our formula appears to indeed be incorrect after Gen II, and Dragonfly and Showdown seem to be correct on this. Anyway, I noted that we also note that somehow, but in a very different section ([[Statistic#Stage multipliers]]). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:11, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I know that staff may sometimes need dedicated/special ways to discuss things, and that sometimes no communication is just most efficient. And while I adore your efforts and most of your design decisions (and do not oppose most others either), I would like to kindly ask you to consider being more public/transparent/something in regards to at least the (in the broader sense) damage-related stuff you're doing. It's a wiki, we may be able to coordinate things, I may be able to ''assist''.
::::::::::The categories in particular needed some refinement, sure. But if it's just you changing some things, I (and ''possibly'' others as well) have no chance to know what the deal is. Recently, for example, I could only guess that you may have ''missed'' to add {{m|Ice Ball}} to {{cat|Moves that power up}}, but ''intended'' not to include {{m|Earthquake}} (and others); I'm just not sure, I don't know your reasoning (and future plans that might influence that)—you might even have just missed them as well. Also, I would, personally, definitely like to at least be able to give some input on your choices as they're made, instead of spamming your (or any) talk page after they're already implemented (especially when I could very well be aware of certain issues that might've fallen through the cracks initially). (Also, as kind of an argument to this, I believe I'm not super pedantic, and I'm very well able to just accept imprecise wording/categorization if it helps overall simplicity/readability/wiki-bility, or carefully made decisions I personally oppose.) Thank you. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::The extent to which I've coordinated with other staff is pretty much "Is this a bad idea?" I'm trying to put things together so (as much as possible) they can be easily and accurately referenced regarding damage calculation. I did indeed miss Ice Ball. But Earthquake's modifier does not act on "power".
:::::::::::There are a number of reasons I may not be real good at the kind/level of communication you apparently want, but right now, the only thing still on my mind is incorporating "Modifiers for the base power" from Smogon's page into [[power]]. And after that I hope to be able to think about the Damage page more directly. I hope that helps somehow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, thank you for understanding. We're both having the same goals. Of course, I'd be pretty willing to answer "Bad idea?" questions if I was asked, or to draft my ideas at a talk or user page. If you'd prefer it, though, I'll continue to share my thoughts at your talk page, and let you continue do your thing, so to speak.
::::::::::::As I said, I wasn't sure on Earthquake, I just (correctly) assumed the most reasonably thing. Thanks for clearing that up anyway.
::::::::::::According to Showdown, if you want that, the base power is also increased for {{m|Knock Off}} (Gen VI only), and {{m|Revenge}} (since its intro in Gen III, but missing completely at the Smogon article, unlike its variation {{m|Avalanche}}). As an idea, it might be worth introducing "Moves that power down" (or similar) as a counterpart for "Moves that power up" (for {{m|Solar Beam}} etc.). Alternatively, we could just include both kinds of moves directly in "Move that have variable power", which is basically how I have split things at the [[power]] article some weeks ago (I'd ''slightly'' prefer to not do that alternative, though). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually, the way we do it now, "Moves that power down" would only include Solar Beam, so it might be a bad idea. However, moving Eruption etc. there would be an option (and the most precise one ''technically''); that would also have the neat effect that "Moves that have variable power" was mdash-only (if we say Stored Power "powers up", which I guess it does technically), but also the drawback that we should then probably also label Reversal (and others?) as "Moves that power up" (from zero). I'm unsure on that one, so maybe we should only have "Moves that have variable power" and no "that power up/down", or just have everything the way it is now, except for Knock Off and Revenge. (Sorry for talking too much...) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 00:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Eruption is variable power. There's no trigger condition. (I deviated from a certain theoretical ideal to include the likes of Rollout, Triple Kick, and Fury Cutter, but Eruption's power is still on a continuous sliding scale; that's plainly different from the mechanics of any of the "moves that power up".)
::::::::::::::In some part, I'm not actually happy with being this strict—with quibbling over "technically such-and-such modifies damage and whatsit modifies power" (possibly Attack too), a difference that should ''mostly'' be negligible, as well as pretty unimportant (possibly even confusing) to most users. Perhaps that could simply be addressed with another category, though, something that, somehow, implies it covers any modifiers to power or damage (or etc.), and "moves that power up" could be a subcategory to it and Earthquake and stuff could go in the parent or new subcategories. ...But for now I'm just going to continue on as I have been. What I'm trying to do is task enough for now. A case for more or different can be made eventually, if someone wishes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}
Well, that depends somehow; you basically meant to define "moves that power up/down" as "has no trigger for variable power", whereas my idea would more be like "may deviate from what the label says". I guess you mean unimportant/negligable ''for categorization''; then yeah, sure. The supercategory idea sounds cool, too. Meanwhile, I'll just slow down interrupting you. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

== About moving "Magnagate" article to "Magnagate Dungeon", as well as maybe moving or deleting all the named Magnagate Dungeon articles ==

Since I've been analysing and researching the internal data of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, I have discovered that there is no set list of Magnagate Dungeon names, they are determined on two separate lists. The first list in which determines the first name, in this case "Alluring". Then the next comes from the second list of names in which determines the second name of the dungeon, in this case "Crevasse". So the name of the dungeon becomes "Alluring Crevasse". And there's more to it too, the first list of names determines the enemy Pokémon and items that appear, while the second list of names determines the music and the dungeon layout and textures.

So I'm just wondering about the [[Magnagate]] article, should it be moved to [[Magnagate Dungeon]]? The article itself seems like it hasn't had any activity for quite a while and needs improvement. Also, what should be done about all the named Magnagate Dungeons that are listed, such as [[Forgotten Rock Formation]]? Should they also be moved into an article in which lists all the Magnagate Dungeons? Or should they be deleted altogether? Lemme know what you think.—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:Can you start out by telling me how many possibilities there are for the first and last parts of a name?
:And I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your explanation...but it seems none of the other dungeons with "Forgotten" (like [[Forgotten Maze]]) match the Forgotten Rock Formation's encounter list.
:My first inclination (with reservations, given the "Forgotten" stuff above) is just to describe how each piece of the name affects the dungeon on the Magnagate page, and the resulting combinations don't need dungeon pages, but that definitely needs to discussed with other staff first (possibly even up to the EB).
:And "Magnagate" ''seems'' alright to me... Not sure what's better about "Magnagate Dungeon", but I've never played (or been super interested in, really) any of the MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was thinking that too. And hm... seems like whenever a Magnagate Dungeon is generated in the game's data, it might also be selecting a Pokémon encounter group, as of random. But I'll need to look into it more, and I'll have to see what determines the items that appear in a dungeon too.
::And there's also another reason why I thought "Magnagate Dungeon" would be more fitting for the article, 'cause I also noticed that there's no article about the "Magnagate" in the actual story of the game, in which uses Entercards, however there's one close to that in which does explain what would fit into a Magnagate article too, which is the [[Entercard]] article. From playing and researching the game, there is the Magnagate Dungeons created by an Entercard, in the story of the game. And I understand you haven't played the game or been interested in it. I just like to research the data in games and find out how it functions when certain bytes are changed. As well as discovering unused content in the game too (such as the Exit tile, which functions in the same way as the stairs).—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 16:54, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Am I going to get blocked for reverting that edit? ==

I'm sure you're aware that I'm under a trivia ban. Unfortunately, one of the edits I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Elesa&curid=115746&diff=2491763&oldid=2491758 turned out to be trivia]. I didn't even look at what I undid (until after); I just saw him edit warring and undid his edits blindly. Sorry. :{ [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's fine, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
::Phew, thanks. ^_^ I'll be more careful in the future (unless it's something obvious or offensive, in which case...) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO - Move - Bug Bite ==

Page in question → [[Bug Bite (move)#Pokémon GO]]

I noticed that you stated the "Energy Delta" was increased from 6 to 7 on July 30th.

It is my understanding that it was always 7.

<pre>{
"ID": 201,
"Name": "Bug Bite",
"Move Type": "Quick",
"Animation ID": 4,
"Type": "Bug",
"Power": 6,
"Accuracy Chance": 1,
"Stamina Loss Scalar": 0.01,
"Trainer Level Min": 1,
"Trainer Level Max": 100,
"Duration (ms)": 450,
"Damage Window Start (ms)": 250,
"Damage Window End (ms)": 450,
"Energy Delta": 7
} </pre>

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:That page says power, not energy. The power was 6 (and is now 5). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch, sorry. Thanks for the quick response. I am staring at a huge JSON file and m eyes are going cross-eyed...

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 01:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Undo revision by Poliwhirl (talk)Umm...why? ==

Thanks for changing it back. I was giving the people who think they're 14 the benefit of the doubt, but it really shouldn't be on there until there's some kind of concrete source. I'd probably just remove the age section of their infobox altogether since the only source that claims that says they were "initially" envisioned as being 16, but that doesn't mean they were in the final game. Still better than nothing though.--[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 13:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I understand the impulse to remove the age parameter. On the other hand, I think, at the very least, there should probably be some acceptable compromise/middle ground. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:01, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, I added the "14-16" as an attempt to compromise because it seems to be commonly believed that they're 14. I still can't find the supposed Famitsu article that states this, though. It's probably better to leave it off until it's found. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
::I'm going to remove the ages for just Bianca and Cheren. It's assumed they're the same age as Hilbert and Hilda but it's not 100% confirmed, and I think it's better to remove them until a source is found that states their official ages, if they even have any. I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 19:52, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

== Targeting ==

I've thought about it some time ago, and I'd like to share my thoughts/considerations.

So, there are actually two different concepts/connotations of "target" (hence also my subtle push for a target/range article [[User:Nescientist/Damage|over here]]):
# what you can select (with stylus etc.); from what I can think of, nothing depends on this (other than what you have to select);
# who the move affects/hits; virtually everything depends on this, such as who can {{m|Protect}}, whom it [[contact]]s, who can {{m|Mirror Move}} it.
While these are one and the same for almost anything, they're different/conflicting for {{m|Outrage}} and variations and also for {{m|Uproar}} (and ''possibly'' also for {{m|Struggle}} in some way). So, as our template (currently) only supports one option, and although admittedly it ''visually'' looks like we should be using 1. over 2., I'd actually like to convince you to undo your changes. I guess that, from the technical/programming side, those actually ''are'' a special kind of foe-affecting rather than self-affecting moves (see e.g. [http://projectpokemon.org/rawdb/black2/movedata.php this] and [[Move data structure in Generation III|this]], or how UPC calls the range/target "random opposing Pokémon"). The template/page notably ''says'' nothing about a "target", but just uses "affects" (which I initially imagined might have been an intentionally carefully designed wording to account for these moves); it does, however, simultaneously mention {{m|Protect}} etc., which I guess kind of demands its target param to be "adjacentfoe" (or to not be "self"), if only for clarity reasons. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not undoing {{m|Petal Dance}}/etc's "targeting".
:Both the "select your target" kind of targeting and the "you may hit these" kind of targeting are pretty fundamental to moves, but the former is a good deal more prominent (more visible, more interactive) in the games. The effect section can always explain the ''effect''—who's actually hit/how.
:...And if you wanted to go the "you may hit these" route, then we'd have to consider changing the targeting of other moves like {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}}. And we really just don't need those kinds of arguments; we'll stick with the thing the game very clearly defines.
:(At best, we could perhaps add a parameter that mostly looks like "self" except that instead of saying "Affects the user", it says "Affects a random opponent". But hell, if Counter works fine saying "Affects the user", I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference. Hell, UPC technically says [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=68.html Counter] and [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=14.html Swords Dance] have different targeting. But in the end...I don't know if it's worth it for us to mark those differences that well. At any rate, it could probably become a much larger conversation if we wanted to treat Petal Dance/etc any differently.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::Ok. What kinds of arguments do we not need? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:::About what the "right" targeting is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

==Problem==
The same problem you dealt with on Skitty's page, I had to take care of on Sunkern's page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, I noticed, don't worry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I was going to fix that edit anyway before you got to it first, but I think think this user needs a temporary block from what I've seen on their talk page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::We see it as well. We'll deal as needs dealing in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Up to his old tricks again, I would say now would be a good time, as this user will not stop. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

== Grateful ==

Excuse me Tiddlywinks. Thanks for helping out the situation.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:You're welcome. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== yveltal and the black death dispute ==

I hate to bother you with this, I admit I only came to you first because your username was easy to remember. ^^;

So here's the problem. Pumpkinking0192 removed mention of the black death from Yveltal's Origin section. Upon questioning his motives, he first claimed just because it's black and related to death has nothing to do with the black death, which I told him that was not remotely the reason for the origin mentioning it. Then he said it can't be related because Yveltal is not a poison type and now he refuses to discuss it due to the "wall of text" I used to address his reasons. and told me to go to a staff member. Sorry I don't mean to sound like a kid running to the teacher to tattle here, but this is beyond ridiculous. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 07:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:If I may clarify, Tiddlywinks, please read my talk page posts with an open mind instead of accepting Yamitora's exaggerated characterization. In no way did I say any of my suggestions were "must-be"s or "can't be"s, just that their presence or absence made it ''unlikely'' that the plague was an intended influence on Yveltal. If you keep that in mind, my posts speak for themselves, and this is the last post I have any interest in making in this silly dispute. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:07, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
::The Black Death is not something I would say has or should be connected to "poison".
::I tend to lean permissive on origins (more or less precisely because of the likelihood for this sort of detailed and subjective (on both sides) arguing). So, when all's said and done, my own conclusion here comes down to just..."Eh, why not?" But I'll see if other staff have any thoughts and try to get back to you. (If I don't get back after a couple days, assume I've forgotten perhaps. And/or if you're not satisfied with my lack of conviction, feel free to consult {{bp|Staff|someone else}}.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't exaggerate anything, read the edit log for Yveltal and Pumpkinking0192's talk page and you'll see I listed the key points of the situation.

:::'''edit log for Yveltal 00:32 September 10, 2016''' ''Origin: Being the color black and themed around death does not automatically make it related to the plague outbreak nicknamed "the Black Death." It has no other connection to the plague that I'm aware of, so this really doesn't belong.)'' [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::The ascendant opinion among staff seems to be that there's little connecting Yveltal to the plague. I will defer to that, and I hope you can make peace with this. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your time, yes I can make peace with the decision. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== BW103 ==

Why did you add that trivia point back? It is pure speculation and is not sourced someone jumping out of a plane doesn't automatically mean James Bond and could just be a coincidence. The copyrighted material is James Bond he is a copyrighted character and from what I've seen before no comparisons to copyrighted materials are allowed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 07:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Once again, you have horribly misinterpreted the trivia. No where is it saying the scene is based off James Bond. It's saying that Daniel Craig was '''dressed as''' James Bond as he and the Queen parachuted during the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympic games. And no, it does not need rewording, the trivia is clear as clear can get.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::That still doesn't explain that it is unsourced, speculation and most likely a coincidence.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't even know what you mean by "unsourced". It's not like you need a "source" to draw a comparison. I think "speculation" isn't really a right word to describe this either. The similarities could, however, be mostly coincidence, or both paralleling an underlying trope instead of the Olympics specifically. On the other hand, the timing between the Olympics and the episode is close enough that it's not at all unreasonable to consider that that may have been the inspiration. I'll think about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently the league conferences often have parallels to the Olympics, like a torch in the first conference. In that light, I think the trivia on [[BW103]] is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Lysandre ==

Thanks for removing that trivia. I haven't seen the episode (wouldn't know where to look, actually) but the original writer's use of "explicitly" misled me to think this was something unprecedented for the anime. Thanks for setting the record straight. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Marill family and fairy type ==
C'mon, it's not that speculative; in fact, it is one of the best explanations, I've ever come across, to their fairy type and it does make sense. If you find a better explanation I'd gladly accept it, but just removing it seems really biased. {{unsigned|ExLight}}
:Can you explain to me (in full/explicit detail, not just with a link to Wikipedia) why you think it is based on the tooth fairy? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
::Sure, but first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies, it received the type mainly to spread the new type, so it doesn't really have the tooth story to support it.

::Since the mouse image is strongly related to the tooth fairy, I do believe this was the reason Marill was chosen to get it. In fact, the original tooth fairy might've been a mouse ({{wp|The Little Mouse}}, http://bit.ly/2cfgQoF), now, this one seems to be popular (I'm not really sure how much) in France. (The fact it is a French fairy tale MIGHT be important, since the Kalos Region had french influence on other Pokémon like Aromatisse and Goodra).
:: The Mouse-Tooth Fairy relationship still relevant on some hispanic countries ({{wp|Ratoncito Pérez}}). So even nowadays, representations of the fairy aren't only the 'tinkerbell' one, some of the most frequent among the uncommon are rodents, and sometimes rabbits (http://bit.ly/2cY9veZ).
:: So, that's it. I do believe this is more than enough to give a Pokémon the fairy type, some other need way less to be categorized as such, e.g., Morelull because of its foxfire (a.k.a. fairy fire) and Swirlix being a cotton candy (a.k.a. fairy floss). [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 02:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::''"first we must consider that Marill's family wasn't originally supposed to be tooth fairies"''
:::I'm tempted to stop right there. That's practically the ''definition'' of speculative.
:::But long story short, you've just got ''so'' little. You mention {{p|Swirlix}}. Swirlix at least ''looks'' '''exactly''' like cotton candy. (You also mention {{p|Morelull}}, but its typing is not mentioned on its page at all.) {{p|Marill}}? Marill hardly looks like a mouse, and doesn't look like a tooth fairy, and isn't connected to teeth in any particular way. If anyone's biased here, it's you, wanting an explanation badly enough to be more certain about your theory than is really reasonable. I'll admit, you've got some interesting coincidences and you ''could'' be right... But that's about ''all'' you have: coincidences; it could easily be something else entirely, something that makes much plainer sense (if only we knew about it). You also argue they basically internally retconned Marill to justify it being Fairy; but that's ''really'' not a good assumption either (as we often say: "don't assume").
:::There's simply not enough there. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::: "Coincidences", huh. *sigh*
:::: Better than no explanation. Anyways, thanks for hearing me out. If you say so I won't disagree. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 03:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

== Pokédex 3D ==

What's wrong with the images that I am putting into [[Pokédex 3D]] that you are removing? I am not following what you are wanting that section to contain. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:Long story short: what's the point of multiple images that basically show the same thing? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::I made sure to take care of duplicates (or images that don't add much to the article, which I found two and are tagged for deletion on the archives). The PNGs I linked all have something different to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 04:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Many of them just have different Pokemon. That's hardly any difference. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::What do other people think? Could you ask around? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 05:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::What Tiddlywinks said. One image per "feature" is enough. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 14:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::OK, I reached a compromise. <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[a:Template:Unused|unused]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> was applied to applicable images ([[a:Special:ListFiles/Wildgoosespeeder|my images]]). --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] ([[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder|talk]]) 20:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

== National number ==

Hello! I'm from Poképédia, and I saw that you added the national numbers for Rowley, Litten, Popplio and Pikipek. As for now, I've only seen Rowlet's number, in a Bank Pokémon screenshot. For the other ones, is it just deduction from the regional numbers or is there a real source? [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 09:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:The others are inferred from Rowlet's number and the regional order (and the perfect space for expected starter evolutions), yes. In every game since RSE, the regional 'dex order has exactly mapped to the National 'Dex order, with the sole exception of the tail end of the Gen IV Pokemon. (For the record/ease of reference: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs starter regional numbers], [https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo/v/72391082?t=1h3m45s Pikipek regional/Melemele number].) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

::So if I understand well, it's just deduction based on the Regional numbers, but nothing really official. Alright, thank you! [[User:Matt.|Matt.]]([[User talk:Matt.|talk]], [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Matt.|discuter]]) 14:34, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Fainting source ==

It was on the official [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-refresh/ Pokémon.com page] about Pokémon Refresh.
<code> Sometimes they’ll avoid attacks from opposing Pokémon—and even hold out when they’re on the verge of fainting.</code> [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:It says affectionate, not friendly or happy. Given that Refresh looks like {{pkmn|Amie}} 2.0, we'd probably best hold off on assuming Refresh's mechanics until the parallels (or divergences) are made more explicit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Orbs and seeds ==

Hi! I wanted to ask you something before I added some large-ish edits about MD since I've approached you on some before. I was thinking of adding an availability table to some MD pages like [[Wonder Orb]]s and [[Seed]]s about which games they can be found in. The item lists currently on those pages don't easily differentiate which games they are from unless you open the details of each one and see whether they can be found in those games. For example, one Orb might have only been available in Gen 3 and 4 games, while another is available in Gen 4, 5 and 6 games, and another only in Gen 5. I was thinking of adding a table like the one on [[Status ailments in Mystery Dungeon|this page]], though it doesn't solve the messy cost issue. What are your thoughts on this? --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
:It's not a great solution, but if you can turn Javascript off (NoScript makes this very easy for me in Firefox), all the tables will display without you having to click each one.
:We also have a ''small'' hope of splitting all items out to individual pages sometime in the future. (It may never happen, or may never happen until Gen 8, or who knows what. These sorts of things aren't exactly discussed every day, and for now it's had a bit of support but not much in the way of momentum.) It occurs to me that if that happens, a table like you're thinking of would be more appropriate on the Orb/Seed pages.
:Since the MD games are pretty different from the core games in this respect, though (where non-Key items almost always carry forward), if you still want to, I'd say I guess it's alright? I don't think it'll be a perfect solution still, but it is a unique problem for MD games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== monopoly moves descriptions ==

Although I get what you're doing by removing instructions, I can't quite seize why you removed half of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bonemerang_(move)&curid=3764&diff=2512553&oldid=2512544 this one]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:11, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:I guess that part doesn't have parentheses like the others. But it looks pretty much like instructions. Are you sure you didn't miss any parentheses on that? (Likewise, do you know if you missed any part of Thunderbolt?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:16, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
::Nope, I've verified again and it's all okay. The thing about Bonemerang is that what's left on it is just... not pointless but like, it doesn't really mean or describes anything. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 07:29, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Following most of the rest's example then, I ''suppose'' Bonemerang's whole thing is the "description" then... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Whirlwind and Roar ==

Sorry, I screwed up there. What I wanted to make clearer initially was that it would succeed if the opponent has switched etc., which I'm pretty sure of, and neither revisions nor upc contradict. I somehow forgot that this was the Gen II section somewhere in the middle, then made everything wrong; so sorry for that! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

== Ash-Greninja ==

Should Greninja count as a Pokémon that appeared in the anime before its game debut? Because the Ash-Greninja form was first introduced in the XY series prior to the Sun and Moon games. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 19:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
:It basically seems the same as {{p|Zygarde}}. If Zygarde counts, {{p|Greninja}} probably does too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::That's all I needed to know, thanks. But the problem is that the Greninja page is locked and I can't add that category to it. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 21:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== sound based moves page messed up ==

I can't fix some kind of weird error that is under snore. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sound_moves [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
:You mean {{u|Spriteit}}'s page? There's nothing really to be done about that without removing the infobox or deleting the page entirely, I think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:20, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

== Direct damage ==

I saw you used that term, and I was wondering if {{cat|Moves that deal direct damage|that}} should contain all of {{DL|User:Nescientist/Damage|Moves that have a special damage calculation|those}}? I'm asking primarily cause I also saw [[Special:Diff/2516659|this]], and if a mention of exceptions actually is warranted, it'd be easier to link to the category then. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
:Well, do you have a preference for {{a|Fur Coat}} etc.? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::I forgot about that part. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::In lack of an actual answer, just to make sure: you realized that this affects more than just Fur Coat, right? And you prefer to note exceptions? In which case, I can go ahead and change all effects affected!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:16, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::I don't have a clue what you're talking about, but how about: go forth and prosper. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, thanks for your trust I guess, but let me probably explain beforehand:
:::::For Fur Coat, I see two possibilities, namely saying "''Fur Coat halves damage from physical moves, Psyshock, Psystrike, and Secret Sword.''" (and stopping there), or adding "''(..). It does not affect moves that deal direct damage.''" (and noting ''all'' exceptions by linking to the category). However, if we do the second thing here, we should probably similarly note exceptions at a lot of other articles, including rather obvious ones like {{a|Friend Guard}} or {{a|Thick Fat}}, but also weird things like {{cat|damage-reducing Berries}}, [[gem]]s, probably others.
:::::I can't say I have a clear preference of what it should be ideally, that's why I was asking whether you have one. Right now, I would probably just delete that "''Does not affect...''" exception sentence entirely for simplicity, and note the exceptions on their respective pages and that's it. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Thick Fat modifies attack stats, not damage. Most of the resist Berries activate on ''supereffective'' damage, which simply cannot apply to any of the direct damage moves. For {{b|Chilan}}, however, it would be fine to note the direct damage exception. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:40, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You're of course right on Thick Fat. (And I should have known!) Gems also affect power. I was a bit too fast with the list; I've slowed down to compile a new one: Chilan, Reflect/Light Screen, Friend Guard, Life Orb, Multiscale/Shadow Shield, Metronome (the item), Burn. The way we have it also Fairy Aura (e.g. Pixilated Super Fang), Electric Terrain (via Electrify), Misty Terrain (Dragon Rage), and said Fur Coat (Showdown disagrees it affects damage for all of those; it's exceptionally hard to test, but would not even require us to make an exception for direct damage).
:::::::So, does "it would be fine to note" actually mean you ''prefer'' to note direct damage exceptions there over not noting them? (I'm about to apologize to ask for your opinion...!?) If so, I could add this within the next 24 hours; it's a matter of whether we ''want'' that. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::If it's confirmed, a note is certainly warranted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:50, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Alright. I won't necessarily be testing/doublechecking all, but I've got my Raticate right here. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

== Table formatting ==

I have these two tables that should look better.
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
{{lop/ev|015|Beedrill|0|2|0|0|1|0}}
|}
How do I make the colors line up correctly and remove the "0" from the last column?
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! style="font-size:80%" | Exp.
{{lop/ev|017|Pidgeotto|122}}
|}
How do I remove the extra column that's right of the last column? {{unsigned|Sumwun}}
:First off, FYI, the four pages you've recently created in your Sandbox aren't really good mainspace material. It's all just trivia, which doesn't add up to a good page.
:Otherwise... The problem you're having comes from the fact that you're using a template, and that template is meant to do things a very ''specific'' way; it's not just going to let you pick and choose the pieces you want somehow. Instead of using that template, you could solve it by making another template in your userspace that only uses the parts you want, if you're able. Or, for the second table, you could just do the rows like on [[User:Sumwun/Sandbox/List of Pokémon with unique catch rates]] instead of trying to use that template. If you still feel like filling them out even if they won't be mainspaced, you could also just ignore the extra parts from the template (like just add an extra, empty column to the header of your first table so the other rows align). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. As for the pages not being good mainspace material, how meaningless does something have to be in order not to be mainspace material? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, like I said, as a rule of thumb, if it's basically just a trivia list, then it's probably not great for the mainspace. On the other end of the spectrum, things like game features are prime mainspace material. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
::::This seems kind of on topic, so I'm not sure if I should start a new discussion. Anyway, it's about this table.
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
|-
|-
! 015
|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{p|Beedrill}}
| 0
| 2
| 0
| 0
| 1
| 0
| 3
|}
::::How do I make all rows except the top row white? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::The "|-" starts a new row. You can also use that same line to set the behavior of the new row. Like
|- style="background: #FFF"
:::::This will make the whole row have a white background. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
|- style="background: #FFF"
! 015
|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}
| {{p|Beedrill}}
| 0
| 2
| 0
| 0
| 1
| 0
| 3
|}
::::::Thanks for your help. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Hiya ==

So I'm curious about a couple of decision-making processes by the admins of this wiki, but since the admin who made the decision has yet to respond to my questions and you have been at least somewhat civil to me every time I've asked you such a question, I figured I could come to you to get an explanation.

First of all, I asked on [[Talk:Red (Origins)]] if I could split Caterpie and Metapod into separate boxes (for reasons that are listed there but I don't feel like repeating here). After a long time of no answer, I went ahead and did it, only for it to be reverted. When I asked on the talk page why it was reverted, ForceFire, who reverted the edit, responded that I can't change something when no one has commented on it, but that they did not know whether or not I was right. Since there's still been no one who has pointed out a problem in my logic, can I make this change now, or do I still need to wait for someone to join in the conversation?

Secondly, I added a parallel trivia point to Gallade and Froslass similar to parallel trivia points found on pages such as [[Phanpy]] or [[Gothita]], only for ForceFire to remove it because it's "opinion". I could understand the trivia point being unnecessary, but I'm not sure why it's considered opinion when several other examples of nearly identical trivia points are not.

I hope this doesn't come off as rude or snarky since I really am just curious and would like to understand better so that I don't make the same mistakes (though I'm aware that I tend to phrase things in ways that come across as impolite and have yet to improve). Thanks! [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
:Continuity of characters is pretty standard. Caterpie is a character. By growing, it can become Metapod. It's somewhat more weird to think they introduced an entirely different Metapod and didn't point it out at all than it is to think that Caterpie just evolved. If they show both at the same time, or if they explicitly say that they're different Pokemon, then fine; but otherwise, the reasonable assumption is that they're the same.
:The sort of trivia on Phanpy's page hinges (''strongly'') on the fact that it and its "counterpart" are exclusive to different games in a pair. This is not true of either Gallade or Ralts; they're don't even "look" the same, with Ralts' family having three stages and Snorunt's having only two. You're welcome to draw the parallel and believe there's an intentional connection there, but that's your own "opinion". There's too little in the way of really good connecting points (some of the connections you try to point out just come off as reaching, especially after the first couple or so). It's mostly just coincidental. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
::I see... Thank you! [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 02:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding age of Black/White protagonists ==

Are you sure it should stay the way it is now? I feel like there there shouldn't be something definitively stated like that unless there's a source. There's no official source I can find that identifies them in that age range, even though the designers did most likely intend for them to be around that age, but if we're going by that we might as well add an estimated age for every protagonist, which I don't think is a good idea. Most of them don't have an official age. I just think it's probably be better to be consistent and not list an age for the protagonist unless it's definitively stated somewhere (unless you want to consider what the scenario writer said as applying to the final game and change it to 16). P.S. I apologize in advance if I did something wrong by making a new section here rather than putting this in the previous one I made. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 12:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:It seems one way or another I missed when the "14-" was added again, that much was not appropriate actually. The Twitter source in the trivia is at least *a* source, so we'll keep those there for now. I'll consult with other staff, though, and double-check if we should remove it after all and just leave it in the trivia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you. I assumed you/the other admins were okay with it since it was left alone for a month and you reverted my edit back to it. Sorry about that. --[[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 12:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I actually forgot I had touched any of that over a month ago. =P And removing the age entirely is a big step, which I didn't adequately understand until your message here. (And then I looked into the histories again and...the rest is history? Pun intended.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

== Re:Thunder ==

I only added it in the meantime just for an early start. Not because of the demo version. I was just trying to help.--[[User:CoolPokeGuy|CoolPokéGuy]] ([[User talk:CoolPokeGuy|Talk]]) 12:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

== So I may have found an interesting piece of material. ==

I was looking on the internet not too long ago, and I came across a [http://psro.web.fc2.com/psro/appearance/appearance/higana.jpg Nintendo Dream article] (apparently the same as the one where Mega Flygon was revealed to not be a thing) that interviewed Game Freak about Zinnia. According to what some people have translated, the "Aster is a Draconid" plot wasn't made up by Pokespe and is actually canon to the games, but was not put in as a way to keep players guessing. I was just wondering if it wouldn't be impossible to add it to either character's articles, but I just wanted a second opinion. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 14:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:''According to the head scenario writer, Zinnia herself has no special powers, she's just a normal person. One day, Zinnia inherits her position from Aster, a person with special powers, but she never had the powers of a lorekeeper herself. Zinnia does what she can as a "powerless (/helpless) person", and that's one of the core themes of the Delta Episode.''
:Man, they absolutely, completely buried that whole angle, then. I like that there's actually some authoritative word on Aster in the games.
:Can you link the original page that image was on? I'd really like if we can reference the exact issue that's from. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
::[http://psro.web.fc2.com/psro/appearance/poken-appearance-special.html Here you go.] It's a new entry, so it's listed at the top as well as the very bottom. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 15:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I've added the information into [[Zinnia]] and [[Aster]] after finding a reference with more complete scans. If you see any way it needs improvement, please feel free. ^^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Water Shuriken ==

Now that the Ash-Greninja sprite is up, do you think you can add it to the Water Shuriken page? --[[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 17:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:We hardly know anything about who learns what and how for Gen VII. And even less for Ash-Greninja. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Editing categories ==

How do I edit the contents of a category? Specifically, I want to add harvest to {{cat|Abilities affected by weather conditions}}. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
:If you want to add a page, like Harvest, to a category, then you need to edit Harvest and add a line that says "this belongs in that category", basically like [[Special:Diff/2521587|this]]. Note that this is at almost the very bottom of the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Litten name origin ==

I apologize if I didn't follow the proper procedure for the talk page, but I wanted to confirm what was being done. I was replying to a specific comment within the discussion, which was indented differently from the comments at the end of the thread. Putting it at the end makes it look like a non-sequitur, since the comments it follows are going in a different direction. That's how it's handled on other wikis, but Bulbapedia has its own rules on the matter and if that's how it should be done, I will make an effort to ensure that I follow them more properly next time. Thank you. --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 03:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Hello, what is considered an unnecessary redirect? I know that {{redlink|Victorybell}} to [[Victreebel (Pokémon)]] isn't necessary as that has been deleted once, but how about Type:Null? Shouldn't this with the criteria given for the aforementioned exemple's deletion be counted as an unnecessary redirect and therefore be deleted? I'm asking because I recently marked the mentioned page for deletion but it was reverted by another useer, I don't want to start an edit war so I came directly to you. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:25, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
:We don't need any redirects with the disambiguating "Pokémon", with or without the accent in "Pokemon". These will only encourage mislinking, and the wiki finds titles with or without accents just fine currently with its search function. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
::Then [Type:Null (Pokemon)] is unnecessary in two ways. Could you or anyone in the staff then please delete it? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

==Opinion on something==
Although it looks like the Alola Starter's final evolutions look like they are taking a similar approach as the Kalos Starter's final evolutions in terms of secondary type, I don't think that the trivia piece should be updated as Incineroar would only take regular damage from Fairy-type moves as Fire resists Fairy. Do you agree with me on this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 15:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Ghost and Fairy have completely neutral interactions. That breaks down any triangle already. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::Okay. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 15:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Alola to Hawaii comparisons ==

Hello! I felt like posting here would be better to explain most of the Hawaii cultural references being presented in Sun and Moon's locations.
So yes, every island has a color associated with them. I think the earliest traces of this scheme is back in the 1970s during the revitalization of the Hawaiian culture, so its more of a modern thing than something from ancient Hawaii. But you can ask anyone who has attended school here in the past 30 years and it is safe to say that it is very common knowledge, especially with young elementary schoolers. Every island has a Lei that is used to represent that island. In turn, the colors of that Lei are used to represent the island as well. Here's a list of the major Islands with their Lei and associated colors:

*{{wp|Hawaii (island)|Big Island}} - {{wp|Metrosideros polymorpha|ōhiʻa lehua}} - ʻUlaʻula (red)
*{{wp|Maui}} - {{wp|Rosa × damascena|lokelani/roselani}} - ʻĀkala (Pink)
*{{wp|Oahu|Oʻahu}} - {{wp|Sida fallax|'Ilima}} - Melemele (Yellow)
*{{wp|Kauai|Kauaʻi}} - {{wp|Melicope|Mokihana}} - Poni (Purple)

The other four island not mentioned above also have lei and colors associated with them. I say lei and not flowers since Moloka'i and Ni'ihau's leis are not flower leis. Moloka'i's lei is prominently a vine with leaves rather than the flowers and Ni'ihau's lei is a shell necklace. In terms of finding most of the Hawaii geographical and cultural references/names, I have a pretty good grasp of most of them since I speak Hawaiian and I've lived here all my life.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 22:48, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:Half my "concern" was just how I'd add it to the page. It'd be easy to just say it's the island's "official color" after all. ^^ From your contributions and your approach so far, I'm inclined to believe you (especially when I can see the same info on Wikipedia, certainly =P ).
:I was also kind of thinking the other islands flowers might give a clue about where the other trial captains go, but for the ones we know for now at least, it looks like we're not that lucky. =( [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:55, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::Nah, it's fine. But at the very basic level, the island colors are pretty common knowledge to those who live in Hawaii. "Official" might not be the correct word, but it is the "associated" color. And the general geography of each island seems to match some of the island's notable feature. Poni Island looks likes it has a canyon, which matches Kaua'i which has the Waimea Canyon, and Ula'ula island has the large mountain/volcano covered in snow, which is most likely Mauna Kea.
::TBH, I'm just passionate about helping out with information regarding Alola since it is Hawaii and i'm trying my best to get as much information out there of how much of a job Gamefreak is doing to make references to Hawaii. I just chime in whenever I see something related to Hawaii and the language just to put it out there (like Tapu Lele today). If you need to confirm any of the Hawaiian based names, I'd say to first visit wehewehe.org which is a free Hawaiian dictionary website so you can look up just about any Hawaiian word on there and its completely trustworthy as it was made using the University of Hawaii at Manoa's Hawaiian department and several masters of the Hawaiian language. It allows you to put in english words or the hawaiian word and find the word/meaning for the other.
::Anyways, if you need any help with the confirmation of any facts given, I am more than willing to help. Though I wonder if the names of the Alola cities will be the Hawaiian words for emotions. I suppose we'll have to wait until we find more cites.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:13, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Wehewehe.org is absolutely a place I've been looking. =) I didn't look into the background, but that's nice to know. I'm liking Game Freak's strong Hawaiian inspirations too. It's great that someone's hanging around who has a solid knowledge of the things the new games are based on. I'm sure it'll be very easy for us to screw something up or miss something, and then we'll be glad you're around. =P
:::As for the colors and stuff, I found the right page on Wikipedia to follow a citation to what appear to be Hawaiian legislature minutes (or something like that), so I've found the "proper" terminology I wanted. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, that's pretty neat! I didn't realize how recent the "officiation" of the colors are. You learn something new everyday. Anyways, I suppose that's it for me. I don't really have much issues with any other pages at the moments that have some Hawaiian basis.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

== Autotomize ==

Replied on my own talk page after over a week, but I realized you're not likely to see it there... anyway, I was given an info tooltip (on the lower touchscreen) during the totem Hakamo-o battle, and that's where I found the description for the ability. Operating purely on memory here, don't have my 3DS with me today, but I believe that's correct. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 06:53, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Power vs. damage ==

'''Terrains''': Concerning affecting power vs. damage, am I allowed to change the current wording of the Terrains to what the Tapus' promo sites now support with their wording?

'''Minimize''': It's insane and frustrating: Stomp apparently went from doubling in nothing (Gen I), to power (II), to damage (III), to power (IV), to damage (V). (To quote Dragonflycave: "It's clear Game Freak doesn't care where or how some given multiplier is applied in the formula.") Anyway, according to UPC, it's consistent within one generation (and my user page should be accurate there now).

The problem is that {{m|Astonish}} or {{m|Heat Crash}}, for example, apparently never actually really "powered up". So, the way I understand it, there's a problem with the category. I can think of the following to remedy this:
# Rename the category to either (a) "Moves that become stronger against a Minimized opponent/target" or (b) "Moves that never miss against a Minimized opponent/target", and remove its "Moves that power up" parent category. And then add all moves that double(d) in power to "Moves that power up" ''as well''.
# Leave the category as is, just don't include Astonish etc.
# Leave the category as is, just add the moves anyway.{{tt|*|Do we (do I?) actually care tooooo much?}}
I'd be going for 1a (over 1b because that is the more used effect). Can I do that, should I do that? (Maybe there's something better you have in mind.)

Also, related: Is it okay to change any Gen VI Minimize-related "doubles power" to "doubles damage"? In Gen V, it was all damage ''according to UPC'', and assuming that they're all the same and unchanged in Gen VI seems the next best reasonable assumption anyway. (And my personal impression is that they began to care more for consistency somewhere in Gen IV or V.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:In the absence of other reliable information, if an effect is officially described as affecting power or damage (or whatnot), then we can assume that applied previously as well.
:So...Astonish has a Minimize effect in Gen III that's never been noted, and we don't know what specifically Heat Crash does for its Minimize effect since that was introduced in Gen VI and Minimize is so unreliable in this mechanic... You're right, we should probably make it "Moves that become stronger against a Minimized target" and put "Moves that power up" anywhere where that was the specific effect for some time. (This vacillating group is certainly tempting me about a category for moves that get modified damage.)
:And yes, unless/until it can be proven otherwise, the reasonable assumption is that things in one generation carry forward the same into the next generation. (This actually applies exactly the same to the first part about the Terrains, just a little backwards. Assume Gen VI carried forward into Gen VII, and if the Terrains weren't specific about their effect in Gen VI but are in Gen VII, then that reasonably means that that's what was happening in Gen VI...until/unless proven otherwise.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
::So, that's a go for me to move the category? Or you still thinking? (Btw, "Moves that [can] become stronger" is also my best bet for the super category you've been thinking about.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, the category should be changed and/or moved. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Vex templates ==

I'm a little confused, and I want to make sure I'm understanding right before I finish making the Vex7 page. I checked the previous 5 and they all show the correct image for the first Pokémon in that generation - I thought it was a display example for the template page, rather than a functional aspect. Am I missing something? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:First, a big note: please understand that templates must be created in the userspace and then approved for the mainspace. (In case you weren't aware.)
:It looks like Vex5 is a very odd mismatch actually, but I see what you mean otherwise, it didn't occur to me to check other versions of it. Anyway, it can kind of go either way really. ...I guess I'll just edit 5/6 so they're all defaulting the same. That's the easy solution for now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:25, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::I'm looking closer now and I may be changing my mind actually. Anyway, if you're creating a userpage, it can easily be edited before mainspacing if necessary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh shoot, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I'll undo my edit to the Game exclusives page for now so the template isn't being "used", but I believe I added all the Alolan forms correctly. Wasn't sure how to add Lycanroc without it having a # yet. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Also, not sure of your opinion on this, but I believe Vex5 had Victini because it was technically the first Pokémon in the region, with the starters coming after because Victini was #000. I can see it either way, though, as there's a nice consistency in keeping all the grass starters for those templates. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 18:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::::If Vex5 wanted Victini it should have said "Victini" instead of "Snivy". =P (I don't ''really'' care either way, though, it was just simplest for now.)
::::Your template has been moved to [[User:Draceon/Vex7]] for now. Also be aware that pages intended for the mainspace should have the {{template|mainspace}} template at the top of the page, and if they are complete, the template should additionally have the parameter ''status=complete'' set.
::::Also, I'm not sure how much you're aware, but just in case/generally: try to make use of the preview button as often as you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm using previews quite often, as I have experience on some other wikis (SU, but especially MSPA), but I appreciate the advice. If I wasn't, my personal table project would've taken a significant number more edits than it has so far. If I seem to be forgetting important aspects often, it's most likely I'm unfamiliar with some of Bulbapedia's templates, and as with the gender page fiasco the other day, I was breaking my edits down by section. Sorry again for that. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 19:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I didn't close the table on the Version Exclusives page, I see why you said that now. It didn't show up in the preview because I was editing from the previous section, so the next sections didn't show up in the preview. I see how that happened. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 19:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::I understand what happened on that page actually. I was saying it more for the Vex7 page you created (which definitely doesn't look like the previous templates, though I haven't currently looked close enough to understand why), as well as your previous userpage edits (which probably *could* have been saved in one single edit if you did enough previewing). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's a fair analysis. Fwiw I'm not sure what's wrong with my Vex7 template, either. As far as I'm aware I copied the Vex6 template exactly and modified/added as needed, but it looks like I must have changed some key element which I haven't found yet to accidentally create the weird space around Rowlet's image. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 20:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

== Stephanie Sheh confirmed her voice ==

https://twitter.com/stephaniesheh/status/794341720380973056 There. Stephanie Sheh proofed that she voiced Cheryl. Happy? --[[User:Cameron33268110|Cameron33268110]] ([[User talk:Cameron33268110|talk]]) 01:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
:That's perfect, thank you! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

== Image switching ==

Hi, I was just wondering a number of things about the form-change images that are basically coded to switch every few hours (or the like, I'm not familiar with what the code is actually saying), or every month in Deerling's case. I noticed these in the type pages thanks to the table I'm working on in my userspace, and basically I'm not sure what the parameters are that we're making these decisions? It makes sense for Megas to be separate images/sections entirely, for obvious reasons like different abilities, types, etc. But I noticed that Shellos and Gastrodon are just separate images, instead of switching, whereas gender differences like Jellicent and Unfezant use that method. Some gender differences are incredibly subtle, but depending where we draw the line we could potentially include, say, Hippowdon. I'm not sure if these thumbnail images come from specific official sources / only show certain variations, is another thing. At the very least, I think Burmy's image should do the same thing, if not other form-difference Pokémon like Unown or Deoxys. I'd be willing to work on it myself, I'm just not sure where to start looking, like to see if the files even exist. Was hoping you could offer advice / mostly wondering your opinion on me going ahead and making some other Pokémon have switching icons. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 05:15, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:Going off what you say (and not looking deeply into it myself), genders are not forms, so that is probably why those icons are not displayed separately like Megas and other forms. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
::Just popping in briefly to point out that we removed many of our switches years ago and just finished clearing out the form-related ones earlier this year, so ''if'' any change is made, shouldn't we err on the side of removing switches rather than adding more? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
:::That was on individual species pages, this is type pages, they are not really the same thing and should not be hastily painted with the same brush. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

== How do I use the menu sprite for Meloetta pirouette? ==

Right now, the only way I know to use a menu sprite is to type <nowiki>{{MSP|648|Meloetta}}</nowiki>. Doing it for Meloetta always causes its aria sprite to appear.

{{MSP|648|Meloetta}}

So how do I display the menu sprite of its pirouette form? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:20, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
:{{MSP|648P|Meloetta}} Like that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

== Malva & The Ambiguity of Death ==

Hey, sorry for the profanity; I let my utter hatred of Malva cloud the judgment.

But... I do understand the fact that you can't confirm anything unless it's said so. That being said, you look at this: [https://i.imgur.com/RJ8j05b.jpg]

And you do have to fight the urge to say "She's dead!" because you don't normally fall hundreds of feet onto a pile of jagged rocks and just walk away (plus, blood coming out your head...). Plus, that last panel sort of depicts the remainder of the Kalos Elite Four more or less holding & viewing her as if she was deceased.

Though, I'm certain they'll bring her back to life somehow.

Anyway, that little spiel aside; I'm actually a worthy contributor and want to take part as best as I can. Just wanted to get the "Angry" garbage out in one take and be levelheaded afterward.

--[[User:Vulcanos|Vulcanos]] ([[User talk:Vulcanos|talk]]) 18:50, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
:I would suggest you speak to {{u|Ataro}}, who may be more familiar with manga events than I.
:I would also suggest that there may be a reasonable way to walk the line between committing either way. For example, instead of "the unconscious Malva", perhaps "the unresponsive Malva" instead, and instead of "Malva's unconscious body", perhaps just "Malva" (this should be perfectly acceptable whether she's alive or dead). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

== Event template ==

Can you please add the following to the [[Template:Event Pokémon|Event Pokémon]] template: <nowiki>[[List of other event distributions in Generation VII|Gen VII]] ([[List of game-based other distributions in Generation VII|Game-based]])</nowiki>? I haven't gotten to that page yet, but I will hopefully soon. Also the trading page isn't needed and please add the serial code pages too, but they can be hidden for now (they will likely occur). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 23:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
:Is that game-based part for transferable items from the SM Demo? If we have a page for the same from the ORAS Demo, I don't know where it is. I'll refrain from that one until we can judge a sample. I imagine trading and serial codes both ''could'' occur... So I'll leave them both off until we see evidence of either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:49, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
::The items weren't transferred by the same method in the ORAS demo as they are in the SM demo, which uses Wonder Cards for everything. I have had the data for these for about a week now, but I haven't gotten to creating pages for everything yet. It will be like [[List of game-based Pokémon distributions in Generation VII|this]] page, but it will use the layout from [[List of other event distributions in Generation VII|this]] page. As for the items from the ORAS demo, they never got a page since there really wasn't anything that could be said that wasn't already on the demo page. Should the Traded events in Generation VII page be left on the template, despite no known events for it? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 00:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
:::If you can show me an example, like, how you know the items use Wonder Cards too, I'd be happy to add it ASAP. Otherwise, if I can confirm it in a handful of hours myself, I'll be happy to add it then.
:::A list of traded event Pokemon in Gen VII can easily wait until it's needed to have a link in the Event template. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:52, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
::::I know they use Wonder Cards, because a moderator on Project Pokémon has been helping gathering all the new Generation VII event information for me the past week. If you would like me to I could send you some screenshots. You could also just look at this [https://twitter.com/iceposs2000/status/799114364221407233 post] which clearly shows them in the Wonder Cards (not the Wonder Card text though, but they are visible at the bottom). '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 01:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::Cool, thanks! Works for me. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

== [[Template:Catch/entry7]] problems ==

Not sure who is the best to contact with this, but since you created the template and have been adding the Pokémon encounters from Sun and Moon I figured I would contact you. I noticed that there is some major problems with the locations of how to encounter Pokémon in the template (and many of which I don't even know what they would be called).
#There is no "Surfing" in the game, which is replaced by [[Poké Ride|Lapras Paddle and Sharpedo Jet]]. Not sure how that should be in the template since that is such a long name for it, but "Surfing" is defiantly not an appropriate name for it.
#There is only one Fishing Rod in the game, which is just called Fishing Rod (no Old, Good, or Super Rods).
#This one is a little more complicated and I don't even know what these should be called, since as far as I know there isn't any names used in-game for them. They are similar to the [[phenomenon]] from Generation V, but again I don't believe they have any names used in-game. For example on the beach there is dust clouds (which also come out of dens in various locations throughout the game, but I think they use a slightly different sprite), in the water there is the ripples where different Pokémon can be encountered, and there is also shadows in some locations too (on Route 10 they are specifically shaped like Fearow when coming out of a rustling tree, where as the ones circling Route 3 are just circles).
#There is at least two different grass sprites uses, which are specific to certain locations (both are just regular grass though, except one is green and a brown one is used in more mountainous areas). So obviously the "brown grass" sprite (when uploaded obviously) would have to be on certain pages, but the "green grass" is far more common.
#There is Berry piles where {{p|Crabrawler}} appear occasionally (and running from it doesn't work as I have tried it, because no matter what you have to defeat or capture it since it will just keep appearing before any Berries can be collected).
#In some locations, like [[Melemele Meadow]], there is only flowers where Pokémon can be encountered.
That is all I can think of at the moment. Any ideas about how these should be handled and what most of these should be called? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 01:39, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
:Well, not everything has to match up to a specific switch case. Just using...whatever and letting the image default to blank can work very fine. (If you like, you are welcome to keep track of what "methods" you've used on which pages and maintain a list on the template's talk page so that down the line we can try to get images and ''then'' insert proper switch cases for them. The brown grass should probably be left as "Grass", and if you want to include a request for a specific sprite/case for it in your list, we can try to get to that down the line.)
:The surfing dilemma is a problem; I'll consider that. I should be able to fix the fishing rod. (Gimme a bit in case I can think of something for surfing as well and fix both together. In the meantime, use just "Fish" for the method.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
::I fixed fishing. I want to think there's some image we can use for surfing rather than leaving it blank. I'm not in love with the Gen VI image, but I'm leaving (more or less) well enough alone for now. (I kind of like the idea of using an older sprite even; at any rate, something that's classically "surfing" but where the Pokemon is ambiguous.) In the meantime I've linked it to the Poke Ride page instead of Surf (move). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Okay sounds good to me. The other thing is going to be how the SOS Battles are listed, since their encounter rates are different from the regular Pokémon encountered. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 17:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
::::A little update here. I have added how the Diglett on {{rt|7|Alola}} are encountered. Does it look okay the way I have it added or is there something better to use for the wording (like I said before I don't think these have official names in-game; they might be in a guide book)? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 19:36, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I (IMO) smoothed out the div text a bit. The method is alright, like you say, there's not a perfect answer. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:42, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

== Cosmog/Cosmoem Ultra Beast status ==

I'm not the one who added it to the Ultra Beast/Cosmoem articles, but Cosmog and Cosmoem do come from the Ultra Space. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 20:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:Please state your evidence very clearly somewhere like [[Talk:Ultra Beast]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

==Poké Pelago==
I am thinking of having a infobox made for the Poké Beans effects based on time duration since a regular bean is equal to 20 min., spotted for 1 hr. and rainbow to 2 hr., and keep it above the Isle Abeens sub-header. What do you think of this? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:I've kind of been holding Poke Pelago to the side for the time, but that seems alright from what I can tell. I'll surely be checking everything out when I do start investigating it, though. =P
:FWIW (and maybe kind of unrelated, I'm not sure), I do think Poke Beans should have their own page at some point. I just don't know half enough at this point to make it myself. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:51, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks, and right now using my own eyewitness account I am making sure that the general Poké Beans effects stays out of the different island sub-headers (as it is generally just the same thing and the area I placed it in should be enough). Also for level up information, only information on very specific things (such as Isle Aphun deserves to be noted). If you have better ideas for improving the information, at least you should be aware of my earlier plan. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

== Solgaleo and Lunala's Verbal Cries Etymology ==

Heya! Just an interesting fact, Solgaleo and Lunala's verbal cries in the game, not the soundbite ones, are Hawaiian words, but exteneded. I added them to the Solgaleo and Lunala pages, the translations of their cries under their name origin, but I'm not too sure if it should've been there or in the trivia. I just wanted to let you know to see what you think.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
:It's interesting enough to me. I don't know what various other people may think. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, well I suppose I'll just leave it there and if someone wants to move it to another section, I guess it's up to them.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 23:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

== Special magnetic field ==

Since the staff have apparently not yet reached it while reviewing the candidates for mainspacing category, may I please suggest that y'all take a look at {{redlink|User:Pumpkinking0192/Special magnetic field}}? The lists of locations on our pages (such as [[Methods of evolution]], the worst offender because it's in a tiny template) are getting a bit ridiculous already, and the list is only going to get longer with every new game that comes out, so I feel mainspacing this page is an imperative sooner or later. Thanks for your consideration! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:Never mind, SnorlaxMonster went ahead and did it :) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:08, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

== Question about my trivia pages ==

Am I allowed to add my trivia pages to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Pok%C3%A9mon this]? (I couldn't figure out how to link to it without using the external links template) [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:If you're talking about user pages, user pages do not belong in mainspace categories. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:56, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::Can a category be considered a mainspace category even if it has user pages in it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.
:::If there is a specific category you are doubting somehow, it would be great if you could say which. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
::::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Pok%C3%A9mon Lists of Pokemon] [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::I've removed the user pages. Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

== PokeRide Trivia ==

''This is notable overall, but on an individual level, it's more clutter than worth including (IMO) (the table rows should be useful info; those notes are basically trivia: not useful)''\

I do feel that the information about which feature replaces which move is notable and should be included somewhere. What about adding it to the Field move page? Like for Rock Smash: ''In Pokemon Sun and Moon, the use of this move was replaced by the Tauros Charge function of the Poke Ride feature.'' What do you think? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 09:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:It should be fine to mention the specific Ride Pokemon on {{m|Rock Smash}}, [[Dowsing Machine]], {{m|Surf}} (probably Lapras and Sharpedo), {{m|Fly}}, and {{m|Strength}}. I wouldn't claim that the Bicycle is "replaced" by anything; at most I'd say something simpler like some Poke Rides can allow the player to move quickly like the Bicycle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::What about ''In Sun and Moon, the bicycle is not present, but the Tauros Charge and Stoutland Charge features of the Poke Ride have a similar use.'' ?? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 16:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:::If you really want to name them, then I'd say, not "have a similar use", but something like "also provide faster than normal means of travel". Those Rides have other expressed intended uses; their speed isn't explicitly one of those. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Kanto pokerap ==

Is that actually edit warring. I didn't make exactly the same edit. The point still stands it's unsourced and I found nothing to suggest that Christians objected to the whole "I love you satan".

Are you going to seriously allow unsourced information to remain on this site? That wasn't right to make it visible as you didn't provide a source.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
:You're removing it from the page. Don't try and split hairs, thanks.
:I can understand if you're feeling frustration, but again, edit warring is not the way to address it. Always keep in mind that there are also higher {{bp|staff}} members who you can take an issue to if you feel there is something truly wrong with another's decision. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
::The information is still unsourced. I discussed it with Force Fire and he said he'll find one when it's not midnight where he is, that was a few days ago and still no source has been found. You said that edit warring is not how you solve things but neither is adding back unsourced information which is not reliable. May I also add that you reverted SilverZoroark by adding back the Yveltal Black Death information on the basis of edit warring but in the end I guess he/she was right as recently that information was removed. You maybe shouldn't just revert someone only on the basis of edit warring because they might actually be right. Finally it's edit WARRING a war is always at least a two way thing, this wouldn't have occurred if a source was provided at the beginning of this dispute.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 09:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Let's be very clear, Ratchet and Clank 1995: you have a history of edit warring. A rather egregious one at that. You have, perhaps, been relatively better about that, but I'm absolutely not interested in rewarding a resurgence of that behavior from you. And "rightness" doesn't get you anything, especially not if it's subjective. Even if it's an '''''absolutely''''' crystal clear issue, we are fully within our rights to block ''anyone'' contributing to an edit war, whatever "side" they're on. Edit warring is not appropriate dispute resolution; end of story.
:::You're right, everything's ''kind of'' bad here. But it's also tagged with "citation needed" already, at least making readers aware of the issue. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Having the "citation needed" shows that this site knows that the information information is bad but doesn't care about this myth. This MYTH shouldn't be on this site as it's unsourced and apparently a source doesn't even exist. You making it visible is unprofessional and worse than keeping it visible or removing it all together.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 11:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

== Animal Facts in "Trivia" Section ==

Hello Tiddlywinks!

I am new to contributing on Bulbapedia, and just wanted to clarify:

With many Pokemon articles, I have seen the "Trivia" section filled with facts about real animals that, in some way, correlate to the traits or appearance of a Pokemon (e.g. Pyukumuku). When I did this on the Passimian article, my edit removed, stating that I needed an official source.
What is the difference? I doubt if Pokemon staff told a contributor the exact species of sea cucumber that Pyukumuku is based on & explained their choice for the correlation of features. Where is the distinction between what is and isn't allowed in the wholly-theoretical Origin section without needing sources?

Thank you for your time!

[[User:Lemur|Lemur]] ([[User talk:Lemur|talk]]) 23:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
:You can add anything you want so long as you don't say "X *is* based on Y". Say something like "X may be based on Y" or "X resembles Y" or "has characteristics of". (Not really "anything", though, of course.) Whenever Pyukumuku was edited, it just got missed; I've corrected it.
:Your edit also was not removed, certain parts of what you added were retained.
:You're welcome. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

::Ahh, gotcha! I thought I had done so in my edit; my apologies if I missed it in that section! I tried to express that they were suggested similarities, while also avoiding being repetitive with wording, so I'll try to just be more mindful of ensuring that such comparisons are merely conjecture!

::Thank you for the answer, and for your feedback! And I do appreciate that some of my edits were retained! :)

::On a somewhat-related note: Is it acceptable to refer to relevant photos of potential origin material (e.g. creating a link to a photo uploaded to Wikipedia)? We found a photo of a ruffed lemur that even has a pose that is incredibly similar to Passimian, and thought it might be fun to refer to in the article (by simply adding it in a note similar to "Ruffed lemurs possess a similar gait to Passimian"). If this is not common practice, however, then no worries; I was just curious, since it seemed like a fun trivia thing that could be added! :)
::[[User:Lemur|Lemur]] ([[User talk:Lemur|talk]]) 23:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Like you say, linking to images isn't something we practice (as far as I know). Maybe not? (I may also just be resistant to new things. But anyway, that's my gut reaction.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I'm not the one who added the edit to Tapu Koko, but from what you said, shouldn't it be ok to say TK "may also be inspired by {{wp|Kū|Kūkaʻilimoku}}, one of the four major Hawaiian gods and god of war and conflict, who is often represented by feathered idols", like Naui did? After all, we do this sort of thing on most legendary pages. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wait, never mind. You did keep it. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Bruxish ==
Ah, sorry about that. Though I should mention that the Hawaii State House Bill that officiated its status lists it primarily as Humuhumunukunukuapua'a and is locally called that, rather than Reef Triggerfish. In fact, the rectangular triggerfish is the proper english name for the specific state fish. Source from here: [http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0005/HRS_0005-0011_0005.HTM]—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 04:05, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's just overall simpler to link straight to Wikipedia's main title, and they're all still the same thing, so that works fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, sounds good with me. Quick question about the Pokemon World to Real World page, why did you remove the Okinas again? It's proper Hawaiian and most of the state signs and local maps retain the Okinas and Kahakos (vowel elongation) due to the proper Hawaiian grammar and the original names. Sure "Hawaii" is proper for the Americanized writing of the state name, but it doesn't make sense in Hawaiian as you can't have the same vowel next to each other. The okina is a glottal stop and is considered an actual alphabet letter in Hawaiian. Personally as a Hawaiian, it's really weird not to see it with the proper punctuation. I mean, you noted the Japanese names by keeping their Kanji for the place names, it's kind of the same thing for these Hawaii locations. It's more me nitpicking, but it doesn't sit well with me as a Hawaiian. —[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 04:14, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I suppose you have some point insofar as the tables on that "[...] real world" page are concerned. I'll bring the question up with other staff and try to figure out just how we should handle those tables.
:::Otherwise, Hawaiian may seem very close to English since it uses the same script, but at the same time it's still about as different as Japanese. This wiki doesn't use Hawaiian, just like it doesn't use Japanese. There are specific places they're appropriate, but as a rule, plain American/English spelling should be used (where there's a reasonable English equivalent, that is). In particular for instance, in image captions and other generic prose, "Hawaii" will always be most appropriate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, sounds logical. I'll keep that in mind for future edits. I think as of today I've added all of the Hawaii mythology and history related references that I can think of.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 05:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== What do you mean Solgaleo wasn't wild? ==

I don't think it was actually Lillie's Pokemon; it was never in a ball. Besides, even if it isn't wild, can't we just mention the bullet point without the word "wild"? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 07:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:These are a sort of event. It doesn't seem too surprising that it can have special moves. And when all's said and done, I'm really not sure a note like that belongs on Pokemon pages anywhere at all. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, so where would it belong? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:21, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Their movesets are already given on [[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation VII]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

==Mismagius's TORSO!==
Hi, I came to ask why my edit to Mismagius was deleted, even though I was correcting a mistake. It's not a "circular lump," it's a torso.
[[User:Sirspykerks|Sirspykerks]] ([[User talk:Sirspykerks|talk]]) 19:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

==Page move==
Could you please move Lack-Two to Blake (Adventures) and Whi-Two to Whitley. The page move ability is protected and if you need proof check out both character's talk pages, as I have verfied and updated both talk pages respectively. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 20:41, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
:Never mind, Ataro is handling it. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 20:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Item Section ==

Hey, hope you don't mind me contacting you here, but it seems it's easier to coordinate this way than through the article's talk page. (which tends to be untouched for a while)

I do agree that a group of four items is a rather specific subsection, but the In-battle Effect Items section is actually full of a lot smaller subclasses-Choice Items, Herbs, HP-Restoring, Turn Order Alteration and Focus Items all consist of two or three items, which is even smaller than the set of four seeds. Moves and abilities relating to the four terrains are all linked together in their pages, so it seems like it'd be similarly helpful to have four variations of an item in one section. I do see how "Terrain Seed" is a bit restrictive, though-maybe it could be changed to "Terrain-based" instead? (though it might cause some confusion with the Terrain Extender)

I hope this doesn't come off as argumentative-If you're still not okay with this, I won't push it any further, I just hoped to explain how it could be useful instead of just adding an excess sub-header
[[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
:Most of those don't have effects that fit under the other sections. The seeds do. Electric Seed's effect, for instance, reads ''very'' much like Cell Battery's, which is right above it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
::I'm seeing the pattern now, that definitely makes sense. Thank you for replying! [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 23:12, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

== Signature move navigation templates? ==

Hi there! I was recently reading some signature move articles, and I realized that when a Pokémon has multiple signature moves, we don't have any way to navigate between them easily — most (maybe all?) just have "it is one of the signature moves of X" in the intro, without a list of the other moves. I know I personally would find it very useful to be able to go straight from one move's page to another without having to visit the species' page's Biology section in between, and I think others would find it useful too, so I thought I should suggest something to fix that.

I made a few mockups in my userspace of navigation templates we could use at the bottom of signature move pages: [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Signature move navigation]]. I apologize that I don't know enough about templates to make a single overall template like [[Template:Variations]], but I hope this is at least enough of a proof of concept that the Editorial Board can consider whether it's worth developing for the mainspace. Thanks for your consideration! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:The inclusion of colors for the generations, and/or the lack of an explicit separation between them and the moves, makes it very busy and perhaps crowded. (I definitely think there's such a thing as too much color.)
:I'd almost rather just add specific categories, like "Vespiquen's signature moves". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
::Categories are also a solution. I'd even be happy with them being listed in the intro. I just thought there should be ''some'' way of navigating between them, and since we already have a move variations template, I used it as a basis for my examples. (I actually don't know how to code a template to do an explicit separation, but I agree that it needs one. The move variations template just had the symbols for physical/special/status, so it didn't use one, so I didn't have an example of one to copy.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

== A lot to learn about these policies ==

Sorry. {{unsigned|Hamfart}}

== Can you please add [[Thousand Arrows]] to [[Template:TypeEffectiveness]]? ==

On [[Oricorio]]'s page:

If Gravity is in effect, this Pokémon is given an Iron Ball or a Ring Target, or it is affected by Smack Down or Ingrain, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2×.

Thousand Arrows would also break this rule.[[User:Pumpkinking0192]] suggests changing the whole thing to if the Pokemon is [[grounded]]. Anyway, can you please update this? I asked SnorlaxMonster 3 weeks ago, but he never wrote back. Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:26, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

== Amity Square ==

Hi! Just a query about the Amity Square thing. The table at the top of the page suggests that you can walk these Pokémon in DP Post-national Dex (they don't have a Pt sign on them). One of the comments on the discussion page also mentions walking their Shroomish in Pearl. So are they walkable or not in DP?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:55, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Well I was able to walk Shroomish in Diamond and picked up Blue scale, Jagged boulder, Pink scale, Big leaf and a Black beard. I also walked Jigglypuff and picked up Blue scale, Pink scale, White feather and Thin mushroom. So they're certainly walkable in DP, but I'm not sure if that's what you're getting at when you said "they're not in DP". On another note, neither of them seem to fit any of the categories in the DP table. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 06:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Argh. The DP ''and'' Pt guides apparently both only list those seven Pokemon when it says who you can walk with. The Pt guide doesn't have a "drop" (or pick up) list, but DP's list also only lists what those seven can pick up. I knew there was some difference between DP and Pt and I figured that was part of it. (I didn't even see/remember the "permitted" list at the top of our page either.) Sorry. Thanks for checking in-game. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:19, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::No worries! Unfortunately I think I've already obtained the maximum number of accessories for a lot of them, and so I can't check in-game for what they can pick up. And these Post-NDex ones don't seem to fit in the already existing groups.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 06:12, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Warning templates ==

Hi, I just saw your warning on [[User talk:GeniusMike]] and thought I'd ask, is there some reason there isn't a warning template for edit warring? You told me about the warning templates a while ago, and I have been using them since (hopefully in an appropriate manner!), but I've been hesitant on warning about edit warring because no such template exists and I don't want to misrepresent policy. Is edit warring a sufficiently severe offense that it should be warned about only by admins, or should someone create a template for edit war warnings? I think the aforementioned warning you gave earlier today would be a good start for a template, and perhaps a good entire template. --[[User:Xolroc|Felthry]] (F.K.A. Xolroc) ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 16:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:I've thought the same myself before, but I know of no reason there's no template for it. I've liked what I've seen others have written and I try to at least hit the same points basically. I have no idea if anyone else has their own text they may copy/paste or anything; me, I basically go off the cuff every time. I'll go ahead and bring up the thought with the wider staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Excellent, let me know if such a template gets added. Is there a strict definition we use for edit wars? Like, two reversions in a row (i.e. reverting an edit that reverted your previous edit) or something? --[[User:Xolroc|Felthry]] (F.K.A. Xolroc) ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 17:17, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::There's not an absolute line, per se, no. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Old reverted changes in Crystal & Silver and Gold articles ==

Hello,

I never came back to check if my contributions stuck. I noticed that you had reverted the battery life / battery replacement passages on [[Pokémon Crystal Version]] ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Crystal_Version&diff=prev&oldid=2423935]) and [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions]] ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver_Versions&diff=prev&oldid=2423937]). I understand that the wiki isn't a how-to guide to electronics but in their current state the articles are misleading and to be honest untruthful. They say that it is a necessity for the saves to be deleted while this is not the case. I've renewed a few cartridges without losing the save via the methods described. I would also like to point out that since it's all really low voltage live soldering isn't dangerous. Yeah, dropping a solder ball on the circuitry will short it and you have no chance to fix that but it isn't dangerous per se (unless you referred 'dangerous' as in can damage the equipment). Nothing can catch fire. I would really like to edit the articles in a way that they suggest there exist methods for replacing the battery without losing the save file. While describing the method isn't in the scope of this wiki it would still be important that any reader seeking information about the battery problem wouldn't be dismayed by the condemning "replacing the battery ''will'' destroy the save file". --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 09:44, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:I've edited the sections to address your most fundamental concern. The new wording should, perhaps, imply to anyone with a modicum of know-how that they don't have to lose the save (although if they have a modicum of know-how, they probably don't really need such a hint anyway). I'm still very uncertain that in-depth work-around instructions are needed, especially when potential "liabilities" are considered. (In a sort of informal sense, at least. It wouldn't be great if someone had cause to accuse us of breaking their game.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
::I agree on the technical part. Thank you for attempting to address the issue. I referred SnorlaxMonster to this discussion, although I was considering moving it entirely to either article's talk page. The articles still mention GameShark as a utility for backing up a save. GameShark isn't a brand owned by Nintendo so I find it a little comical that they come across as a more legitimate way of preserving a save file than does replacing the battery, which is non-invasive code-wise. GameShark is obviously non-invasive hardware-wise, but even though you preserved a save file this way you'd still need to replace the battery anyway (which the article correctly states). I'm probably repeating myself but one solution could be to change the wording "{...}''will'' cause any current save file to be lost" to something tad milder. For example "Since it powers the save file, interrupting the power by removing the battery will cause any current save file to be lost '''unless the memory remains powered by external means'''." --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 16:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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== Continued from my questions ==

Sorrry, I couldn't find the archived talk where I originally posted this. Anyway, why can't the Generation VI sprites just be treated like 120 by 120 still images? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:The archive is [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/8|here]]. You can find it by mousing over "Pokémon" in the template at the top of the page (maybe I should make that clearer).
:Anyway, there are no sprites in Gen VI, only models. Models just don't work the same way, so we decided to use artwork instead. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== Anime ordering ==

Hi, I saw [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Anime ordering]] and I would suggest that you check out this (not made by me): https://github.com/mal/pokemon/blob/gh-pages/data/anime.md --[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
:We already have the air dates on Bulbapedia. Having a list of them isn't really helpful in constructing that page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's in chronological order, not only the air dates.--[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 06:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon Move Descriptions ==

I'm planning to begin adding Super Mystery Dungeon's move descriptions to each of the move pages. However, each move has two separate descriptions, one on the move's basic info box, and another one that goes into more detail if needed, and I'd like your opinion (others are welcome too) on which should be used before I start. Most of the time, they're either the same or they managed to fit the most important details fit into the shorter one, but occasionally not; for example, Stockpile's short description doesn't mention its Defense/Sp. Defense raising effect. I've included example images of Stockpile and three others in this [http://imgur.com/a/x3e8U imgur album]–Feint (expanded detail example), Extrasensory (where the 'short' one is actually longer), and Splash (another 'expanded detail' one, but both have a fair amount of fluff). There have been a few descriptions added already (mainly starter moves) and they've all used the short one, but I wanted to make sure I'm doing the most desirable thing before I put the effort into documenting them all. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:I don't really know. I haven't played Super Mystery Dungeon or very much of Gates to Infinity, so I haven't really helped with their coverage. In the older Mystery Dungeon games there are two descriptions for items (one very short, one full length), and I had been using the full-length descriptions on item pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I'm not familiar with the older Mystery Dungeon games, so it's interesting that something similar existed there. I noticed earlier today while working on the item pages that the people who had been editing those pages had been using the short descriptions for SMD, though in most cases those descriptions are very similar. That said, after looking at the entries for old games and comparing them to the SMD ones, it looks like the full-length ones were used for the old games, and more information than I thought was being lost with the shorter ones, so I think I'll go with the full-length ones. Thanks for answering! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 04:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to chime in, I've been using the long descriptions for the items I've been editing. At first, I wasn't aware of the short version so while I was editing I was confused about where people had gotten a different item description than me, so I changed them. I only realised later, but I've stuck to the long ones for now, but many of the item descriptions haven't been reverted to the long version. I agree that going for the long one has less risk of losing information.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah, I didn't realize that, so thanks for the heads up. I'll probably be doing more SMD additions today, so I'll be sure to double-check the Health Drink page (where I made those edits) first. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== Struggle and recoil ==

UPC says that Struggle does not have recoil damage from Gen IV onward, and every other effect we have that affects recoil does not affect the self-inflicted HP loss from Struggle. And Struggle's effect contradicts our definition of recoil, as it is not depending on the damage dealt. Struggle's description never says recoil, and the in-game description does not call it recoil. So I could only imagine you mean/checked the message, and that that's just the standard recoil message that says "recoil"? In which case, I guess we should separate Struggle recoil from any other recoil, and just say that Struggle is also said to have recall, even though it... hasn't. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:When you use Struggle in battle, it says "''<Pokémon> was damaged by the recoil''", just like every other recoil move. Its recoil damage is calculated in a different way to other recoil moves (except {{m|Shadow End}}) and it's not affected by Abilities that affect other recoil moves, but the game calls it recoil so that's what it is. Struggle is clearly a special-case move, so I think it being an exception to these effects makes perfect sense.
:It's also worth noting that the move descriptions for recoil moves are worded the same way as Struggle's (not that you can ever see Struggle's move description in-game). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, fair point. Well, technically, it isn't the same recoil than the others; so Rock Head's description, for example, is either refering to specifically the non-Struggle "recoil" variant, or does only refer to "some" recoil it can protect from. Does that mean that you think we should do what I just proposed, or do you think we should redefine our recoil definition (and make a special case for Struggle post-GenIII)?
::Worth noting that {{m|Overheat}} and its variations also mention "recoil" in their descriptions. Would you prefer to include that on the page? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Ability descriptions tend to try to be very concise because they don't have much room (particularly in older games). Struggle is an exception, but Ability descriptions don't tend to note exceptions; the Shadow moves that inflict recoil are also both exceptions to Rock Head. Also, Struggle calculated recoil damage the same way as other recoil moves did in Gen III, but it still wasn't affected by Rock Head.
:::I don't think Overheat is referring to the same concept (notably it doesn't say "recoil ''damage''", just "recoil"). I wouldn't be surprised if the description didn't consistently use the word used for recoil damage across languages (although it might anyway).
:::As for what to do, my suggestion would be to fix the recoil page to correct the definition of recoil. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Descriptions seem to be consistent across languages (checked Japanese and German). I guess the concepts may be related (negative effect of using a move), but they obviously aren't all the same. Anyway, our description says it's damage, as does the pokemon.com glossary that we encountered at Multi Battle.
::::I'll be redefining then, if you don't mind. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not that it matters anymore since we seem to have reached a consensus, but that page also says ''Struggle also causes recoil damage equal to 25% of the attacking Pokémon's maximum HP.'' --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ok, even better then. And I guess one just cannot share ''too'' much relevant information in any constructive discussion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

==Edit war==
Can you check this edit war about the order moves should be listed: [[User_talk:VioletPumpkin#ORAS order]]. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 17:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Ash's Donphan]] trivium intervention request ==

If it's not too much trouble, could I ask you to please take a look at the last few revisions of [[Ash's Donphan]] and give your opinion? I'd like a ruling from someone higher up so I don't have to go back and forth with Force Fire on a talk page, since frankly in the past few weeks he seems to have developed a vendetta against me. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:I agree that the previous trivium was both vague and too specific (although those terms seem contradictory). I think [[Special:Diff/2493233|this edit]] brings it to a reasonable point. I'm not sure about restricting it to just Oak's lab though: Charizard's return from Charific Valley was certainly in the same spirit.; it also excludes Pokémon the Series: Black and White, in which Ash effectively has more than 6 Pokémon on hand by rotating them between his party and Juniper's lab. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::I was about to come here and say "never mind" after seeing that Force Fire re-adjusted it, but yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go Pokedex Data ==

Are we going to add pokedex data for Pokemon from Pokemon GO ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:06, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
: I was planning on adding the data, but wanted to confirm and know where the data gets added [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
::The Pokédex entries are all taken from Omega Ruby, so there's no point listing them again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stadium 2 Pokédex data ==

I am fairly sure Stadium 2 does not have its own entries. It loads Generation II entries; in case of Gold and Silver it seems to load the opposite version's (Crystal uses Gold's, apparently); using Red seems to load Gold's, Yellow has Silver's; haven't checked Blue yet. I am not sure if it depends on the game version or it randomizes for each Trainer ID (considering Crystal loads Gold's, even though Stadium 2 and Crystal had simultaneous release in Japan, so was it a translation thing?) [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:I believe you've mentioned this before. In any case, there's not much to do about it until we actually know how it gets them. It's also worth noting that [[Pikachu (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries_3|our article for Pikachu]] has different capitalizations for "Berries" between Gold and Stadium 2. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
::I think I've mentioned it few years ago. I am mentioning it again because GO's case reminded me of it. Pikachu entry is the same in both games - it is BERRIES and not Berries or berries. The old games formatted certain words like this (it wasn't dropped entirely until Generation V as far as I know). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I figured there was an error on that page and it wasn't an actual difference. I have to focus on the Nintendo Direct now though, and I'm quite busy with other IRL stuff, so this isn't something I'm concerned about right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

== Uploading images in Bulbagarden Archives ==

Hi. I am recently contributing on Pokemon Adventures articles -- mostly with Vietnamese translation. I notice that there are missing covers for some volumes and would love to contribute by uploading/adding cover pictures of these volumes, but then Bulbagarden Archives stated that I am not an autoconfirmed user there so I cannot really do that. But since that place is a place to add pictures (it seems so to me, sorry if I am wrong), what should I do to become an autoconfirmed user there? Thank you very much for your time and I am sorry if this bothers you. [[User:Saphir|Saphir]] ([[User talk:Saphir|talk]]) 10:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

== Inquiry on news article deletion... ==

I've started [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/question-about-a-deleted-article.219095/ a thread] on your deletion of the article I started on the Special Sun & Moon Edition Light Blue 2DS, and have mentioned the deletion as unfair. $aturn¥oshi said that I should inquire with you. - '''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]''''' 16:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:I saw the thread, and I don't get it. I gave you my reason for deleting the page, which based on the thread you have seen. Why do you think that was unfair? (I should note that I did appreciate the effort you put into the article, but there's a certain minimum timeliness we need for covering news.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== Effect sections etc. ==

This is a bunch of things, but I'll try to keep this short. I would kindly ask you to answer the first question, and I would appreciate if you took some time to answer any of the others, too.
# Do you believe that it would be worth the effort/time to go through all "Effect" sections (or those of moves) in an attempt to standardize them better? (That's not a leading question!)
# I've been creating [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], and I believe that's what it should ''ideally'' be. (It's delibarately non-strict for some aspects, but it still seems incompatible with the current state of Effect sections sometimes.) Eridanus notified me he [[User_talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/7#Moves_articles|talked to you]] earlier, so if there's any go-to guy, it might be you. Do you agree?
# What's the current guidelines that are implicitly in effect? (I hope you get what I mean.)
# I intend to edit some Effect sections in the near future (if you're interested and not already aware, you could check Tiddlywinks' talk). So I've been thinking I could try to simultaneously standardize/simplify them better. If the "current guidelines" are not the "ideal" ones, which ones should I use? (I guess this question might be question 1 actually, and sneakily asks for some coordination/assistance. ''If'' there's plans/desire to change "current" to "ideal" for move effects, now might be a good opportunity.)

Additionally, while I'm here, could I ask you to possibly reply [[Bulbapedia talk:Project ItemDex#Item template inclusion|over here]] (you're listed as a contact)? It's not a top priority, and I won't start a lengthy discussion if you just don't know, but I would like to ensure this didn't simply go unnoticed. Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Policy question regarding mid-generation egg move parent updates on Pokémon pages ==

Recently, an edit was made on {{p|Alomomola}} that (correctly) added Corsola as a possible parent to pass Endure. Corsola could not learn Endure by level up until B2W2, but by checking Alomomola's Gen V learnset page, I saw that Corsola was not listed as a possible parent there, nor is it listed in the Gen V learnset page of most other Pokémon it could pass its 'new' B2W2 moves to. A similar situation arose with ORAS, where many Pokémon became new potential parents of some moves, but only some pages added them. As you know, the move pages have split columns to better note things like this, but the by breeding sections on the species pages do not. Since I couldn't find information on the correct way to handle this, and because I'd like to help keep things consistent, I'd like to ask if you know what the correct way is (either including the new parents, not including them, or something else)? Thanks! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Moves that power up ==

Could you align the category's wording and the moves that are in that category (one way or the other)? You may or may not be aware, but doubling in damage is not ''exactly'' doubling in power. And you may or may not be aware of [[User:Nescientist/Damage|this]], where I've also been collecting info like that. If I knew what the deal was, I'd be willing to help (also see the above section). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:Could you go through and correct the wordings of appropriate moves to either "power" or "damage"? (Or just pick one, as you seem to be suggesting I do.) You're clearly much more familiar with the distinction than I am. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::The wording you just added was fine. (And I plan to go through all of them at some point.) It's just that the category "Moves that power up" currently says they "increase in base power". I was wondering if that wording should be changed, or whether the moves that actually double ''in damage'' should be in another category or something. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::If the moves are more accurately described as ''increasing in damage'' than ''increasing in power'', then please change that; I don't know which it is. If you know which applies for each move, then I think splitting the category into those two would be reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks, then let's stick to "Moves that power up" only including moves that are most accurately described as increasing in power; I will edit your additions where appropiate. For those moves that most accurately increase in damage, I believe Tiddlywinks might have had something in mind for the future, so I will not create a new category for now. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Keep in mind that there were already moves in "Moves that power up" that were equivalent to the moves I added, such as {{m|Gust}} and {{m|Twister}}.
:::::I don't get why you're categorizing {{m|Stored Power}} as both variable power and a move that powers up: what is different about it to all the other moves? It's the only move in the "Moves with variable power" category that has a fixed power (i.e. not — in-game).
:::::I think you may as well categorize them now, so we don't have to go find them again later whenever Tiddlywinks wants to make his new category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ah, that's what made you add it to the others!? I don't know why Tiddlywinks added them; I presume he was just mistaken when he did (as he ''explicitly'' didn't add Earthquake). I didn't see them when I checked; I will remove those.
::::::For Stored Power, Tiddlywinks might have added "Moves with variable power" for a technical reason: it's a trigger that modifies its ''power'' (see [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula here]). You added the "powers up" because it gets greater than advertised. I've kinda said to Tiddlywinks that I'd prefer to go that label-route; but I also don't like to ''undo'' what others have done without their consent (if it's a debatable thing).
::::::For the category, I'm gonna create it once I can come up with an idea for its name. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Now I recall/know: Tiddlywinks wasn't in error, Gust and Twister apparently technically ''do'' work differently than Earthquake etc. I've reworded their prose. (They work like Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool have worked in the past; I edited their prose as well and also added them to the category.)
:::::::And on Stored Power, you were right; if Gust isn't variable power, neither is Stored Power.
:::::::And if it's ok, I would like to wait for the category until I/we get to more/all moves; for now, it's just Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool, and the complete list of "increases damage (directly)" is on my user page already (well, hopefully). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::{{m|Stored Power}} is not (or was not, I'll go back to it in a moment) the only move in {{cat|Moves that have variable power}} with a numeric power value, {{m|Water Spout}} has it as well and would probably be a terrible fit for moves that "power up". IMO, moves that power up should basically be something that's either "X" power (normally) or "X*mult" power (in most cases *2, but the multiplier itself should not really ''vary''). I consider moves like {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Fury Cutter}} close enough because they "power up" with successive uses, building very steadily/reliably. Stored Power's power '''varies''' based on however many stat stages the target has. You could use Stored Power for the first time and you might get its base power or its base power times 2 or 3 or 43; to me, that's very much "variable". Stored Power does not at all fit an image of a move that's "powering up" IMO. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I forgot, but it seems you (SnorlaxMonster) also wanted to sort out these categories "neatly" so you could use them on {{a|Forewarn}}. If it weren't for {{m|Eruption}} and Water Spout, I'd be happy to agree with you, but it's ''very'' hard to reasonably exclude them from a category for "variable power". I was a little unhappy that it couldn't be that neat myself, but I also consider it more valuable to actually have a place where the moves that can truly have varying power can all be found together. I think if we want a category for only physical/special moves with "—" for power, that should perhaps be something like ''Moves that do not have a fixed power''. On the other hand, though, if the table on Forewarn is going to list all the applicable moves anyway, then linking to a category/categories is probably kind of pointless anyway; you can just describe them as "Moves that have a power of '—'" without actually losing anything vital. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::There was another reason (strange factor); had I known, I wouldn't have removed it. Anyway, just focusing on Stored Power, I still feel like "higher than the label says" might be "powered up" (and it uses ''the user's'' stat stages). Unless I'm mistaken, that's the case for all moves that power up, but not for any other move. Unless they're meant to be mutually exclusive, I would suggest we include both.
::::::::::The new power page looks splendid! (No, really!) Unless someone's faster, I would be taking care of Gen VI Abilities and moves within the next days. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::What I basically meant the "power up" category for was for moves that have a binary condition: multiplier or none. The core of these is very much the things like {{m|Pursuit}}, {{m|Acrobatics}}, {{m|Smelling Salts}}. Rollout and Fury Cutter are a moderate extension therefrom. But Stored Power is very different from these. And "variable power" is basically "the rest".
:::::::::::And it really should be one category or the other. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think the only reasonable way to divide moves between "powering up"/"powering down" and "having variable power" is to split based on whether or not the move has a fixed base power. Anything else and we're getting too subjective. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I think there's ''something'' valuable in that "subjectivity" that that strict division doesn't allow for. (In part, like I said before, the division you want is really better described like "moves without a fixed power". "Variable" inherently ''invites'' subjective judgement. Better to use something less ambiguous if that's what you really want.) {{m|Magnitude}} is a very interesting case: it normally has variable power, but can also receive a 2x modifier, so a strict division between the current categories wouldn't allow both effects to be noted.

I'll propose this instead: Moves that power up should be a category '''only''' for moves ''exactly'' like {{m|Pursuit}} and {{m|Acrobatics}}: they double in power under a specific condition and never go any higher (i.e., no Rollout/Fury Cutter, no Echoed Voice, no Pledges). (Maybe it would be called something else too, if it's going to be so strictly defined.) Then, ''everything'' else goes under "Moves with variable power", and "Moves that power up" is categorized under that as well. The only possible hitch here is, it may be weird if Magnitude is categorized both as having "variable power" and "powering up", if powering up is itself a subclass of variable power. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Wouldn't a category with Pursuit but without the Pledges be pointless?
:I think we only really need the {{tt|categories|I think we don't actually have to have multiple ones, but we should anyway}} for the [[power]] page. In my opinion, "Power up" should be meant to be for those that have a "standard" case but can power up, "variable"/"{{tt|varying|probably better, taken from Magnitude description — it's weird to have "Moves that have variable power" listed under "Variable-power moves"}}" (an unrelated category) for those that do not. How to define what a standard case is in an objective manner is tricky (on the other hand, we do not ''need'' to define that strictly, I guess).
:In my mind, moves with multiple standard cases ({{m|Magnitude}}, {{m|Present}}) and those with a continuous scale ({{m|Eruption}}, {{m|Reversal}}, {{m|Crush Grip}}) are "varying" (that's some kind of definition already, I guess). {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Magnitude}} should be in both. For {{m|Punishment}}, {{m|Spit Up}} and {{m|Stored Power}}, I don't really care — they could be in either, or both. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Parental Bond Information ==

So, I tested out how Parental Bond works in the main series games, in Generation VI specifically. I tested to see if it did or did not work with moves with a charging turn such as Fly and Solar Beam, via Double Battles, and found that they do not synergize. I feel that you should add this information to the article of Parental Bond, because I cannot. --[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 07:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:It is already on the page. "''Moves with a charging turn only strike once, even if the Pokémon becomes fully charged in one turn (such as with a Power Herb).''" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Apologies for bugging you at this ungodly hour for a matter that isn't of necessity. Still, I feel as if links should be given to some moves for example, as the link's blue coloring makes it easier to spot, and it would help elaborate further. Thank you for your time.--[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 08:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not an "ungodly hour" for me in Australia, it was late afternoon/evening. I agree, so I've added ''(such as Fly and Solar Beam)''. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you readd this in obedience? Your edit summary just ends abruptly. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Badge&diff=2527666&oldid=2522856 [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

== Hiya ==

Not to be a pest, but could you please add Kommo-o to the Pseudo legendary page? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Health drink french page ==

Why did Bulbabot re-added [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Health_drink&oldid=2552492&diff=prev this] after I removed it? This is wrong, the page it links to is the french page of [[Lookalike_Item#Mix_Elixir]]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:BulbaBot synchronizes the links between the different language wikis. If you want BulbaBot to stop doing that, you need to remove the link from the French wiki (which I have just done). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::Exactly what I thought ! Thanks ! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 09:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

==Game Locations==
Something that has been bugging me is the [[Regional variant]] and how this affects the Game locations area of the pages for the Pokémon who have Alola variants and how I think they need minor improvements to help make it easier for people to understand that information on finding that Pokémon is not for the original version, but for the Alola version which would therefore require trade. The biggest issue regards the original Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak as none of them can be found without trading as it is impossible evolve into those forms in Sun and Moon. Doesn't need to be dealt with now, but I do think it should be in the future. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 03:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go South Asia ==

Should information about the Release of Pokemon GO be added to the ''Games'' section of the ''Pokémon in South Asia'' page??? If yes, then that info will have to be added by an administrator... → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 15:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Toyland ==

I am going t recreate the Toyland article but first, is Toyland the world rumble blast is set in or a specific area? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:If you don't know the answer to that question, you might not be the best person to create the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
::It's fine, I just found out now that is the world rumble blast takes place in. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pasting from other articles ==

Sorry if I'm bothering you but is copying and pasting from other articles on this site OK?
oops I forgot to sign [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:It is acceptable to use content directly from other Bulbapedia articles in Bulbapedia articles, but make sure you credit the source article in your edit summary. However, it is not acceptable to use content taken from other fansites. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== My edit ==

What was wrong with my edit for the Pokémon sun and moon section of the Pokémon 20th anniversary page? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Nevermind, It's just a restructuring of my edit.

== New pages notability ==

I was wondering, imagine some very abstract Bulbapedia editor is dreaming of (high-quality) mainspace articles on subjects such as
* Nebby,
* Aura (game mechanic, the UB and Totem thing),
* Confusion (status condition; just imagine there'd be a whole lotta details),
* Affection (may be a possibility to intersect Amie and Refresh),
* Template:ZMoveInfobox (in a similar vein to {{de|Perfektes Pika-Projektil|how the German wiki handles that}}),
* Target,
* anything, in general/by extension,
and that they're also able and willing to provide at least one of that, but they'd like to avoid putting in work for articles that turn out to be either unnotable or userspace endlessly, what would they be supposed to do? Asking for a friend, of course. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:Normally, if there's a topic of questionably notability, I like to build it in the userspace to establish notability (although I do have a lot of pages that are intended for mainspace but have sat in my userspace for ages). If you can build a detailed page in the userspace that's not just full of fluff and within scope (i.e. related to Pokémon), it's unlikely to get rejected. (Fun fact: Confusion is on a list of page ideas on a post-it note that has sat next to my desktop approximately since [[Talk:Status condition#Each major status ailment in its own article?|we gave status conditions their own pages back in 2010/2011]].) If you want to make sure your userspace page you think should be mainspaced doesn't get forgotten, it's a good idea to poke a staff member (feel free to come to me with this kind of thing, although depending on the topic you might be more successful by asking the appropriate Editorial Board member). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. While I do understand that, for Aura for example, I'm not 100% sure it is notable myself. That's a case where someone should do research quite a bit, which is a potential waste of time. And for others one might not be able to judge how notable it ''turns out to be'' beforehand. And even if ''I'' think it turned out to be notable, is there some way I can ensure the EB thinks the same and it wasn't all a waste of time (I'm likely biased if I invested time and effort)?
::So, in case of doubt, I can ask an appropriate staff member beforehand, on a case by case basis, and that staff member then might be able to guarantee that, if the article is of decent quality, it ''will'' get mainspaced?
::Can you tell me how notable/relevant/sensible you think the things I've listed are? (For me to maybe scratch them off my list of "should be created... eventually".)
::Status conditions are what I want to do next, so once I've started a userpage on confusion, please be my guest. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Normally, if a page requires a lot of research but isn't notable, then the information would simply be placed on other pages, so it wouldn't be entirely a waste.
:::You can certainly ask beforehand, but if they're unsure, what's typically going to happen is the staff member will tell you to create a draft to show how such a page could look. For example, I really don't see what content you could even have on an "Aura" page, so right now I don't think it's notable, but if you went and did a lot of research and actually made a page of a decent length, you could convince me it is.
:::For my personal opinions on your list:
:::*Nebby: would certainly be notable
:::*Aura: Convince me there is actually content that would be on this page. I can imagine a list of the auras each Totem Pokémon/Ultra Beast has, but I don't really know what else there would be.
:::*Confusion: As I mentioned earlier, I certainly think there's enough information there for a page.
:::*Affection: I was the one who [[Talk:Pokémon-Amie#Affection split|nominated the split]] last year, but since it only applied to Amie it didn't happen. Now that it's some shared stat between Amie and Refresh I think there is more of an argument, but the same could be said about of lot of the mechanics of both minigames.
:::*Template:ZMoveInfobox: I think Z-Moves are probably fine using the same infobox as other moves for now.
:::*Target: Assuming this refers to attack targets, I think a page detailing the game mechanics of targeting would be interesting, although I believe the official term for possible targets is "range" whereas "target" is specifically the Pokémon chosen. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks!
::::*For Aura, I think there wouldn't be a lot information, but we do seem to have independent articles for virtually all other {{cat|game mechanics}} (as far as I know, at least). I'm not trying to convice you, though (and I'm not willing to do research atm), but I had imagined it ''might'' (ideally) be a nice page being linked to.
::::*For Z-Moves, I don't like how messy the type-specific Z-Moves' templates look like, with half the template basically just confusing readers, screaming "READ THE TEXT!" instead of helping.
::::*For target/range, I'd imagined that page to be about both what you select '''and''' what you actually hit/affect, and to differentiate/explain a little. I think I said somewhere before that we often conflate the two, and don't really explain the ''difference'' anywhere (or, that there is one, even). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Nescientist/Confusion (status condition)|This]] is all yours. If you want to mainspace it and need help linking to it, I might be able to assist when I'm around; the vast majority should be done in a single edit [[Template:status|here]], though. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Just to be sure, I don't need to knock at someone's door, you've taken care, right? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I haven't really done anything with your article yet, no.
:::::::My main concern right now is that it calls confusion a status condition, when it's not despite the way we currently use "status condition" on Bulbapedia. For example, [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/tapu-fini/ Tapu Fini's official site entry] makes sure to mention "status conditions or confusion"; while effects like Full Heal do remove confusion despite only specifying that they heal status conditions, I think we can consider that to be a case of incomplete effect descriptions, like Water Bubble or Gen VI Flower Veil; compare {{a|Guts}}, {{a|Shed Skin}} or {{a|Marvel Scale}}, which are not affected by confusion. There's also stuff like {{a|Leaf Guard}} to consider, which prevent the Pokémon becoming drowsy due to Yawn. Despite that concern, I don't really have an alternative name beyond "status". For the same reason, I'm not entirely sure it belongs on the status condition navigation template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe what I said/researched [[Talk:Status condition#Volatile status condition vs. volatile battle status|here]] makes it easier then. For the nav template, I don't know or care, so you might want to not add it precautiously. Thank you anyway. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I can see how we're using it (and how you've been using it recently) to only mean non-volatile. I think mentioning that it is sometimes called a status condition is the correct way (roughly similar to how we treat Eevee at [[Eeveelution]]). [[Talk:Status condition#Page reorganization / split proposal discussion|This proposal]] is also related to the confusion thing; in addition, it's also something I wouldn't want to start working on in my userspace unless there's indications of it being mainspace at some point. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

== Other wiki websites ==

You have listed other Nintndo wikis in your userspace. Do you contribute to those wikis as much as you contribute here? If ''so'', then you are '''the ultimate wiki contributor'''.

(also how do you change text color and change colors in your name?) --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:No, I do not contribute to the other wikis I link to as much as Bulbapedia. Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia is the only wiki on which I have activity comparable to my activity on Bulbapedia.
:If you want to change your signature, you can do so at [[Special:Preferences]]. If you want to change the color, you'll need to check the "Treat the above as wikicode" box. If you want to know how to add colors, you're free to look at the code of my signature, which you can do by viewing the edit window on any talk page that my signature is on (including this one).
:Also, there's no need to make headers bold and italic. As long as you mark them as headers (using the equals signs, which creating a new section automatically does), the software will automatically bold them for you. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Increased priority ==

I thought I'd check this with you before I edit multiple pages all of which you might want to edit afterwards. I'd like to improve the priority moves' wording, they seem to be pretty Gen I centric, and have likely carried over to where they don't fit. Assuming we want to be this specific at individual move pages (which is not what I'd personally be going for), I suggest:
Quick Attack inflicts damage, and is an increased [[priority]] move. If no other Pokémon uses an increased priority move during the turn Quick Attack is used, Quick Attack will go first regardless of the user's {{stat|Speed}}. If multiple Pokémon use a move with an increased priority of +1 during the same turn, their move order will be determined normally.
I have no idea what that other paragraph with sleep and freeze is supposed to say. Do you know? (I'm inclined to believe it's only for Gen I, and also not important?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:I think most of the explanation can be left on the priority page. Maybe even just:
Quick Attack inflicts damage. It has a [[priority]] of +1, so is used before all moves that do not have increased priority.
:I remember reading about that sleep/freeze thing for Gen I recently, actually. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvk_8yTyscU Here's a video explaining it.] From Gen II onward, you can actually select moves while asleep/frozen, so you move at the priority of the selected move rather than the last selected move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::Yes, great, that's what I'd personally be going for; so that's what I'll do then. I'll remove virtually everything but a link to priority, and that extra paragraph at Quick Attack. The sleep/freeze thing was what I had in mind, but because that was on all priority moves (not just Quick Attack), I thought I might've missed something. Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Can you please add [[Thousand Arrows]] to [[Template:TypeEffectiveness]]? ==

On [[Oricorio]]'s page:

If Gravity is in effect, this Pokémon is given an Iron Ball or a Ring Target, or it is affected by Smack Down or Ingrain, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2×.

Thousand Arrows would also break this rule.[[User:Pumpkinking0192]] suggests changing the whole thing to if the Pokemon is [[grounded]]. Anyway, can you please update this? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

== Re: ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wela_Volcano_Park&diff=2572703&oldid=2572700]

Can you direct me to the guideline where ''The italics is supposed to be the translation of the Japanese name'' is laid out? As I mentioned in my edit summary, I have been unable to find it. [[BP:MOS]] doesn't appear to say anything like that.

''The Hepburn romanization is not particularly useful for anyone'' also doesn't appear to be mentioned there, and as far as I can tell it simply is not true. This is an English-language wiki that does not appear to assume Japanese literacy on the part of its readers, so the Japanese text without a romanization is illegible to our readers and therefore practically useless (and depending on encoding might not even display properly, although I have never had this problem myself). There's actually a control for this -- why do we give the HP and RR for the Chinese and Korean names, respectively, at the bottom of the article? The only difference is that those languages aren't relevant to the topic except as random trivia.

[[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 17:23, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== I don't understand the Aura Break thing. ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability&curid=60392&diff=2576839&oldid=2576835 | Undo revision 2576835 by Unowninator (talk) ''It's easier to treat Aura Break and Power Construct as a pair of standard Abilities, even if they're not technically implemented that way'']

Can you please elaborate? I don't understand what you mean. Also, I hate to be a bother, but you never responded to that Thousand Arrows thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 07:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

== Trivia and Force Fire ==

Sorry to bother you, but I'm having trouble with {{u|Force Fire}}, who refuses to listen to what I'm trying to say and instead is making counterarguments for something completely different. I've tried to remove a couple of blatantly out-of-date trivia points on [[Flying (type)]] that haven't been true for three to six years, but Force Fire's counterarguments are all about whether the outdatedness is visible in the tables or not. Can you intervene one way or the other, please? Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding the [[Sun and Moon Shards]] ==

I was about to [[BP:SPADING|spade]] the Sun and Moon Shards article, when I noticed that you made a few edits back in November. I just wanted to double check and ask if it was confirmed that Eevee needs a high friendship or not to evolve in XD. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 08:38, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
:I made all the pages say what I believe to be the correct method. I haven't personally tested it though, so it would be worthwhile checking. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
::I've checked it, friendship is required. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Environment pages ==

So I've decided to [[User:Eridanus/Platform|dig back it from userspace]]{{tt|*|though the name still mentions platforms. Will probably treat Colosseum and Gale of Darkness as the same; I think Gale reuses assets for old places?}}. Did we create any naming standards for filenames of these? [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:Uh, I've just been using images that were uploaded for other purposes. If there wasn't one, I uploaded the image to an external site instead. It's probably fine to upload environment images directly though. There's currently no naming scheme.
:Notice that on my page, the headers only group environments that have the same effects (other than terrain effects, but they're special). That was a very deliberate choice. On yours, they have several different effects in one.
:BTW, I notice you say that Gen VII is coming soon. I've actually got a spreadsheet detailing the whole game, but haven't put it on Bulbapedia yet (and it's missing Secret Power for everything but Ultra Space, since the only way to use it right now is via Metronome, as well as Burmy). The main reason I haven't put it up yet is due to not playing the post-game yet. However, another tricky part is that the floor mattering more than the background means I can't really lay it out the same way as I did Gen VI. I'm also working on another major set of research for Bulbapedia at the moment (that is incredibly close to finish). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, okay. I haven't noticed that pattern. Should I apply them to Generation III? The mechanic works differently there (I think it's the same in Generation IV and V, but haven't checked), being based on player's tile most of the time (while Orre works the same way as Generation VI, which is why it got the labels). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:03, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I'd recommend trying to group them, yes. Note that on my page, some identical sets of effects were split across two headers. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:05, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Before moving to Generation IV, there is Mystery Dungeon, with a total of about 62 tilests (2 of which are unused), plus special tilesets for certain bosses. Besides trying to come up with some kind of name for [http://imgur.com/a/0RLjb all of them], there's the fact that some are a bit of a mess{{tt|*|Snowy and icy areas don't exactly have their own sets, as they just change Camouflage from Normal to Ice, otherwise reusing Secret Power and Nature Power from one of the other 3 sets; caves are split among two sets; and few tilesets break the pattern - an aquatic area uses one of the cave areas effects, a foresty area uses sandy areas effects and a snowy area uses 'regular' set}}. Some tilesets make a return in Explorers (like the two that went unused), so it'll probably be merged similar to what I plan to do with Orre. All were ripped and uploaded to [https://www.spriters-resource.com/game_boy_advance/pokemonmysterydungeonredrescueteam/ Spriters Resources] so I am asking what should be the picture for PMD, considering dungeons are randomized. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::You really just need an example of the tileset in use. Just because it appears in a formation that another person might never see should be irrelevant. Also, if you're working on PMD, you might find [http://imgur.com/a/lO8sl this page from the EoS guidebook] useful. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== SOS Battle page ==

Why did you undo my edit on the SOS Battle page concerning weather? I linked my source appropriately to a page on the OFFICIAL Pokémon website and on that page where it talks about SOS battles in different weather conditions, it explicitly says that weather called in by moves or abilities do not affect the potential SOS allies in an area. If the official Pokémon website isn't a reliable, accurate source of information, then what is? Bulbapedia is a useful resource but when the official Pokémon site directly contradicts it, the Official Pokémon site is probably the more reliable source in any given case, so I'm going to place my edit back until such a time you can link to a source about the disputed detail that proves the information on the official Pokémon website is incorrect, because there was no source given about the detail prior to my edit. [[User:GeniusMike|GeniusMike]] ([[User talk:GeniusMike|talk]]) 16:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC) GeniusMike
:In my reversion, I directed you to look at [[Talk:SOS Battle|the talk page for the SOS Battle page]]. On that talk page, there is a section titled {{DL|Talk:SOS Battle|Weather ally change in v1.1}} currently discussing this matter. The conclusion the people discussing the topic there came to was that the official Pokémon site contradicted the way the game works, possibly as an attempt to simply the explanation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Reverted changes regarding battery life of Gen II cartridges ==

Please refer to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Tiddlywinks#Old_reverted_changes_in_Crystal_.26_Silver_and_Gold_articles Tiddlywinks' talk page] for some discussion. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 16:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2017-01-23T09:44:39Z

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User talk:Black Eagle

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Talk:Johto Route 45

2016-04-04T17:00:37Z

Black Eagle:

== Trainers ==

What? No can post the trainers? {{unsigned|BaconBoy}}

: I don't know, I barely even battle any trainers on this route in my Gold game.... If anyone has any info about the trainers on this route, feel free to add it in.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 15:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Rods ==

Is this accurate? Super Rod=level 10? I know that Old Rod=level 10; Good Rod=level 20; Super Rod=level 40... anyone can give me evidence of this please? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:I know how late this response is, but I can confirm that any and all Pokémon fished up here are level 10, regardless of the rod used. I have seen and battled level 10 Dragonair hooked with the Super Rod on this route. Unfortunately, that's only in Generation II. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Yup, I confirm this as well. Too bad they didn't repeat that in HGSS[[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

:Confirming this. Added back the information with a note not to remove the information since it's actually confirmed. If anyone wishes to see proof, I have uploaded [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLeHrZA-zA a very short Youtube video] about the issue. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 17:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

== River ==

In HeartGold and SoulSilver, there is a river which splits this route down the middle. I'm curious to see where it goes, but I can't find anywhere where I can access it to surf on it. Does anyone know if it's even possible?
[[User:Chamtechie|Chammy]] 18:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== LEARN TO MATH ==

If one Pokémon's chance of appearing is 30%, and a second is 20%, the remaining percent for Spearow is 50%... [[User:NoobLord9001|NoobLord9001]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Johto Route 45

2016-04-04T16:17:01Z

Black Eagle: Reverting changes from Lady Ariel Revision as of 21:27, 27 July 2012 (odd behaviour of the small pond)

{{Route infobox
|number=45
|image=Johto Route 45 HGSS.png
|size=x500px
|imageII=Johto Route 45 GSC.png
|type=mountain
|mapdesc=A winding road by a river, but called "Mountain Road."
|north=Blackthorn City
|west=Route 46
|regionwest=Johto
|west2=Dark Cave
|region=Johto
|surf=yes
|generation=2
}}

'''Route 45''' (Japanese: '''４５ばんどうろ''' ''Route 45'') is a [[route]] in eastern [[Johto]], connecting [[Blackthorn City]] and {{rt|46|Johto}}. It is also known as '''Mountain Road''' (Japanese: '''マウンテンロード''' ''Mountain Road'').

The route can only be entered from the northern terminus, as the steep ledges that one can jump over make traveling northward towards [[Blackthorn City]] impossible. One of the entrances to [[Dark Cave]] lies at its northern edge.

In Generation II only, [[fishing]] on this route results in [[level]] 10 {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} for all [[Fishing#Equipment|fishing rod]]s.

==Route description==
The route starts as a single path as it leaves Blackthorn City, with an entrance to [[Dark Cave]] on the western side, but soon breaks into three parts, all of which inevitably pass through [[wild Pokémon|long grass]]. Soon, these recombine, then split again, into two distinct paths, only one of which offers long grass. These then recombine, then are split into two, then three, paths, all filled with long grass. These three then recombine into one before splitting off once more, the eastern half traveling towards a small pond, while the western half goes directly towards {{rt|46|Johto}}. South of the pond, the eastern half rejoins the western half as well. In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, a river flowing down the mountain splits the route down the middle. However, it is not accessible by {{m|Surf}}ing.

==Items==
{{itlisth|mountain}}
{{Itemlist|Elixir|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Ether|Elixir}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|Center path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Potion|Max Potion}}}}
{{Itemlist|X Special|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|display={{DL|Battle item|X Special}}}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Left path|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|In the pond at the south end of the route ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|Near the pond at the south end of the route (daily)|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{DL|Berry (Generation II)|MysteryBerry}}}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|Left path|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Left path|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Status condition healing item|Full Heal}}}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|East of the grass south of the nugget ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{Itemlist|Grn Apricorn|Near the pond at the south end of the route (daily)|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Apricorn|Grn Apricorn}}}}
{{Itemlist|PP Max|On a ledge at the southern end of the route (requires {{m|Rock Climb}}) ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Max}}}}
{{Itemlist|Iron|Given by Hiker Parry after defeating him in a rematch|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|Iron}}}}
{{itlistfoot|mountain}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
''In the Japanese and Korean versions of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, {{p|Teddiursa}} appears only in Silver, while {{p|Phanpy}} appears only in Gold.''
{{Catch/header|mountain}}
{{Catch/entry2|074|Geodude|yes|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|no|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|yes|no|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23-27|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|207|Gligar|yes|no|yes|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|216|Teddiursa|yes|no|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|yes|no|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|no|yes|Grass|27|5%|5%|0%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|no|yes|Grass|20|5%|0%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|no|yes|Grass|25-30|10%|15%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|''10*''|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|''10*''|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|''10*''|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|''10*''|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|''10*''|all=30%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/entry2|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|''10*''|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|{{color2|000|Headbutt tree}} (Moderate chances of battle)}}
{{Catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|190|Aipom|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|{{color2|000|Headbutt tree}} (Low chances of battle)}}
{{Catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|190|Aipom|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|214|Heracross|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}
* Uniquely to all other water tiles in Gen II, all Rods give only level 10 Pokémon in the small pond.

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|mountain|4}}
{{Catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|no|yes|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryhs|207|Gligar|yes|no|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|216|Teddiursa|no|yes|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|227|Skarmory|no|yes|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|231|Phanpy|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Surf|2-25|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=93%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Headbutt}}
{{Catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-27|all=50% 80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|190|Aipom|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-27|all=20%|type1=Normal|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|214|Heracross|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-25|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting|10=j}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Swarm}}
{{Catch/entryhs|333|Swablu|yes|yes|Swarm|23|all=40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Special}}
{{Catch/entryhs|264|Linoone|yes|yes|Hoenn|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|293|Whismur|yes|yes|Hoenn|23|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|399|Bidoof|yes|yes|Sinnoh|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|418|Buizel|yes|yes|Sinnoh|23|all=20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

==Trainers==
===Generation II===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Ryan|1296|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Kelly|1152|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|928|1|095|Onix|♂|29|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Blackbelt.png|Blackbelt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Camper.png|Camper|Quentin{{sup/2|C}}|600|3|022|Fearow|♂|30|None|057|Primeape|♂|30|None|128|Tauros|♂|30|None|36=リョウヘイ|37=Ryōhei}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===Generation IV===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Ace Trainer M.png|Ace Trainer|Ryan|1620|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Ace Trainer F.png|Ace Trainer|Kelly|1440|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|960|1|095|Onix|♂|30|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain|Rematch}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|1120|2|095|Onix|♂|38|None|075|Graveler|♂|35|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|1184|2|208|Steelix|♂|41|None|075|Graveler|♂|37|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

{{Johto}} 
{{Project Routes notice}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 045]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations|Route 045]]

[[de:Route 45 (Johto)]]
[[fr:Route 45]]
[[it:Percorso 45 (Johto)]]
[[ja:45ばんどうろ (ジョウト地方)]]
[[zh:45号道路（城都）]]

Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

2016-04-04T16:00:12Z

Black Eagle: /* Battery Life */

So what's the change in the decision? Did Evkl change his mind? I think these combined pages are going to be crowded when listing differences. And it makes other pages like Green, Yellow, and Emerald stick out.

The differences can be listed in separate articles, if they are going to be at all. A summary can be given on this main article, like '''Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver have different sets of wild Pokémon obtainable.''' But, I think such a list can be presented compactly like this:

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" style="margin: auto; border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! width="50%" | Gold-only
! width="50%" | Silver-only
|-
| colspan="2" |
* a
* b
* c
|-
|
* d
* e
* f
|
* g
* h
* i
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! colspan="2" | Also in Crystal
|-
|
* k
* l
* m
|
* n
* o
* p
|}

Of course, you could vastly simplify it since we aren't discussing Pokémon Crystal. Here's the logic to decide which Pokémon goes where: If a Pokémon is in:
* all 3: don't list.
* none of the 3: don't list.
* in Gold and Silver only: list with '''a b c'''
* in Gold only: list with '''d e f'''
* in Silver only: list with '''g h i'''
* in Gold and Crystal only: list with '''k l m'''
* in Silver and Crystal only: list with '''n o p'''

I think we shouldn't compare with the third of the series in these paired articles though, that can be done in the article for the third game itself.

I can't really think of any other major differences that would require such a detailed explanation though.

For large chunks of information common to all games in a series, perhaps create another article like '''Generation III Hoenn''' or '''Generation II Kanto'''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 11:10, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Blatant lies==
''Gold and Silver also introduced the concept of [[evolution]] by [[Methods of evolution|methods]] other than [[level]]ing, using an [[evolutionary stone]], or [[Trade|trading]].''

I removed this sentence, since evolutionary stones and trade evolutions were quite obviously already introduced in Generation I. -[[User:Pat|Pat]] 06:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:That's not what it said. It said that GSC introduced new evo methods other than leveling, stones, or trading. It did ''not'' say that it introduced stones and trading as new evo methods other than leveling. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 06:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

::Haha. Oh, I'm a douche. -[[User:Pat|Pat]] 03:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum?==

isn't it a bit strange that its Diamond/Gem Pearl/Gem Platinum/Metal?
now lets Look at this

Gold/Metal Silver/Metal? The name hints it!!

OR they could be pulling a Crystal on Us? [[User:Dakclaw|Dakclaw]] 07:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:What are you saying? That Plantinum is the GS remake? I'd doubt it, why would Johto have a Spear Pillar? Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:51 17 May 2008'''''

:: What i'm Saying is that in Crystal at the end of the game you can travel to Kanto maybe in Platinum ::you can travel to Johto at the end of the game [[User:Dakclaw|Dakclaw]] 07:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No. That would be terrible, I hate Gen II Kanto and it would destroy any chancce of GSDS. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:::So tell me, Dakclaw, what does Crystal have to do with Red, Blue, Green and Yellow? Last time I checked, Crystal/Gem and RedBlueGreenYellow/Colors. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:58 17 May 2008'''''
::::Crystal's not even a gem, it's a molecular structure. Anyway... I see what Dakclaw means, with Platinum's name possibly being yet another GSDS hint. But I seriously doubt you'd be able to visit Johto in Platinum... I mean, you could access Kanto in GS, so of course you could access it in Crystal. Why would it be "pulling a Crystal" if we couldn't visit it in DP?
::::Also, this discussion doesn't seem relevant to the article. We'd better stop it before we get in trouble with Sketchies; take it to the forums instead. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 08:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==Red not a reference to Special?==
It says that Red's team references Red from Special by including a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Espeon - is this true? It seems more likely (to me, at least) that it's a fairly generic team based on Generation 1 - he has all four starting Pokemon from Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, and the two non-legendary Pokemon that could be found outside of random encounters (though the Eevee has evolved). Does anyone else agree that Red's team referencing Special should be removed from the article?
:I agree. This subject has also come up in the [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Red's Pikachu]] article. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 15:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Surely it's the other way round, as so much of Special is based on the games? For instance, Gold and Red going to battle at Mt. Silver and Lance telling Silver that he needs to treat his Pokemon with more care. I mean, he doesn't get the team exactly like Red in GS until the GS arc in the manga. I thought it was pretty obvious that Red's manga team is based on his team in Generation II as opposed to the other way around.

=='''Glitches'''==

:I read through the article and didn't find anything on the GS glitch that clones pokémon and I was wondering if it should be added or if there was a reason that it was not added. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Greenmcr}} ([[User talk:Greenmcr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greenmcr|contribs]]) ''

== Internal clock "glitch" - Ruby/Sapphire? ==

The internal clock wore out the game cartridge's battery faster, reducing the time it would last to about 6 years. Ruby/Sapphire has an internal clock (inside Brandon's bedroom, and the internal one that tells how long berries will take to grow). Will the same start to happen to R/S/E? [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 17:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:What internal clock glitch? I've had my copy of Silver for a little over 8 years, and it still keeps time just fine...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
::Besides, even if such issue is real, it isn't definitely a glitch and simply a problem of a battery that wore out. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's less a glitch than simple wear. In a fit of nostalgia inspired by hearing about HG/SS, I dragged out all my old games and was heartbroken to find the saves of GSC gone. Fortunately (and somewhat ironically since it's a fair bit older) I found my Yellow save happily intact. I'd guess that eventually, yes, the internal batteries of RSE will wear out, but it seems to me to be less of an issue since migrating forward is an option - an option that will hopefully be retained as long as Pokemon lives. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::RSE saves via flash memory, as does FRLG. The battery in RSE is for the clock alone. RBY's saves are in danger, however, and will die eventually, but not for a long time after GSC has, since their batteries took care of both the time ''and'' the save. And DPPtHGSS don't have anything other than flash memory, no batteries period in those carts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good to know they fixed a design flaw. I know less about the actual media of the games than I probably should. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::There's good news though: the internal batteries in GameBoy cartriges can be replaced. I found a video on YouTube showing how to do it (on a copy of Silver) However, I wouldn't recommend trying this unless you know exactly what you're doing! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

umm...correction its [Brendan]] not Brandon...hehe[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 11:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Plot ==

What's up with the plot section? I don't know much about the plot of that game but it just stops after the player battles Morty for the Fog Badge. He's only the fourth Gym Leader! It doesn't even mention the last four Leaders or the Elite Four or the player going to Kanto. I don't know the plot of this game so could someone fill it in. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's all good, friend. The plot has been expanded on, and now I'm putting the finishing touches on it. once it's done, you may edit it as you see fit. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 20:03 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::UPDATE. Um.....yeah. When I tried to edit the page, I guess it didn't process well. It seems we need to break the page up into smaller sections. I suggest we have a separate article called "Pokémon Gold and Silver Plot Synopsis".[[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 21:09 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Never mind. I slept on the idea, and I decided it was incredibly dumb. I'll just wait for someone else to finish this page. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 12:19 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Names ==

Wasn't this the first pokémon game to give trainers names? [[User:Metalucario|Metalucario]]
:Absolutely right. This was mentioned on the [[Generation II]] article, but I've added it here as well. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== I've noticed something... ==

Does anyone notice that when you catch a Pokémon, the Poké Ball has its palette colors?
Such as, if you catch a Pikachu, the ball is red and yellow.
Pikachu is yellow and has red electric sacs.
Not very important, but I think it's neat how it's like that. --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 00:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah. Use of the Game Boy Color. I think it did that in Yellow, too, but I'm not sure. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::I'll check later.
::Edit: Yes, it does it in Yellow. --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 03:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Name Rater x2 ==

Did it occur that Gold, Silver where the first games to have ''two'' Name Raters as compared to one per game. This is obivously because Gold & Silver have two regions, not one. I was just wondering if that's good triva for the page.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritmaster]] 15:11:29 23 August 2009(UTC)

== Language Differences ==
I've seen on other places on Bulbapedia that there are some interesting differences between the Japanese and the International Versions of Gold/Silver, most notably swapping Teddiursa and Phanpy families around, but also some sprite differences for trainers and Pokémon. Is there a way these changes could be listed somewhere?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 13:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
==Cloning Glitch==
was the glitch purposely placed as it appears in other games?[[User:(insertUser:(ScarletScarabX)|(ScarletScarabX)]] 00:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Plot ==

Is it just me, or is the "Plot" section waaaay too long and over-detailed? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:I just edited it. It's now much more encyclopedic and much less wordy. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 23:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::It's still pretty seriously long and detailed. Anyone mind if I slim it down and cut out a lot of the overdetail? [[User:Adalina|Adalina]] 15:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

==References==

Why doesn't the "references" tag at the bottom work? I tried trimming down the page under the 32kb limit (didn't save), and the links still aren't showing up. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 17:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
''Lugia and Ho-Oh are the only version mascots to be classified as "secret" Pokémon in the Generation IV games. This is due to the fact that, prior to the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, they were unobtainable in the Generation III and IV handheld games without an event.'' —This doesn't really seem to belong on this page. [[User:Slimey01|'''Slimey''']][[User talk:Slimey01|'''01''']] 00:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Battery Life ==

My version of Silver has stubbornly maintained it falsely set internal clock for 10 years now - no signs of battery depletion. (When I was a smaller kid I did not understand the difference of am and pm...so you can imagine.) Are there any differences between versions? And if the game cartridge is in GameBoy Color, can it use the batteries of the console instead? Or do I just happen to have an above-average copy of this game? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 18:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

:Reporting in from 5 years from the future. The week day was 2 days ahead of time, although presumably it was actually just a lot late. I managed to change the battery without losing my save file and consequently added the missing instructions on the wiki page. To this day I still have no idea if the cartridge can use the device's batteries in parallel to maintain better charge but I'm going to guess no, because the power switch breaks the whole circuit and to my knowledge no current flows anywhere. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 15:59, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

== Changing your time ==

Apparently this article is missing the somewhat-secret feature that allowed you to change your time, provided you entered the correct 'secred code' (based on Trainer ID & current Money not deposited at home). This is especially interesting, as you could somewhat 'cheat' yourself infinite amounts of PP Ups, Exp Shares and/or Masterballs in conjunction with the [[Lucky Channel]], provided you happen to be lucky enough to manage to get a matching draw. (You then proceed to change the time, which somewhat resetted the obtained-your-prize boolean on the Lucky Channel as well, without resetting the week´s lucky ID. Rinse, repeat and profit.) [[User:ForTheLichKing!|FTLK]], [[User Talk:ForTheLichKing!|Talk!]], 09:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

== Event Pokémon ==

The article says that {{p|Celebi}} is the only Pokémon that can only be found via an event or cheating, but what about {{p|Mew}}? Wouldn't it have to come from an event (or cheating) too? --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 22:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

== Game Boy ==

Despite the fact that they say Game Boy Color on the box the games are actually Game Boy games, the page should reflect this.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 04:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

== Australian release date ==

Can someone help me pin down the actual Australian release date for this game? Wikipedia says September 4, 2000 (a full month earlier than the US, which - while I find a smug sense of satisfaction in it - is probably highly unlikely), every other source which lists a date assumes the same October 13, 2000 listed here, and going through archive.org's caches only lists info on pre-or-post stuff (Stadium RB, Crystal, RS, etc.) or otherwise redirects me to the US site. I am ''very'' sure it was before year's end, but I don't have any other leads to go on. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] ([[User talk:Frugali|talk]]) 04:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I went looking (through wayback machine as well) when I was adding sources for game release dates. I ended up giving up on it and moving on, and it bothers me too. At best I can confirm it was released after Spetember 6, 2000 ([http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?sid=kKLkM8y30aZBVnQ8qKTDVA%253d%253d&ncdctx=CPpD4eG%252fgKzEN6qsRgv%2bNh36LqzmhsoY8%252flLycYm9KheTi9ST2JdQEqBOGGdSDel]), making the WIkipedia date wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Unused memory game? ==

Look at this video at 9:36: [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vyDk0erDw&t=9m36s link] [[User:Player01|Player01]] ([[User talk:Player01|talk]]) 20:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta#Game Corner]] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

== The title of the page should stay the same. ==

It has been suggested that the title of this article be renamed "Pokémon Gold and Silver." I'm okay with the suggestion, but even though other territories don't use the word "version," North America does, so we should refer to them by their full North American names. Thank you. [[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 23:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

== Missing Pokemon ==

I'm not sure how to efficiently edit it, nor do it if I did have the rates, but Staryu can be found in the Union Cave in at least the same pool Lapras can be found in using a super rod. I used it twice, and both times were Staryu's. I only saw it on Gold, but it's probably on Silver and/or Crystal as well. It doesn't even say that Staryu's can be found in the Union Cave on the II Gen Pokemon list at all, which is apparently incorrect. It's not that big of a deal, but I'd appreciate it if someone could fix this.
(Edit: I should also mention that I have no idea what the signature thing is, nor how to do, nor why it matters. It looked far too complicated and irrelevant. :b) {{unsigned|Aqualegend}}
:It's really easy to add a signature. In the future, type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to automatically add your signature. We do this to keep track of who says what, and when. --[[User:Rikeo|'''リック''']][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|'''EO''']] [[User talk:Rikeo|(メッセージ)]] 02:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

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{{redirect|Pokémon Gold/Silver|the book|Pokémon Gold/Silver (book)}}
{{Incomplete|article|Version history (Japan-only: 1.0 vs 1.1)}}
{{Infobox game | colorscheme=gold|bordercolorscheme=silver
|name=Pokémon Gold Version
|name2=Pokémon Silver Version
|jname=ポケットモンスター　金
|jname2=ポケットモンスター　銀
|boxart=Gold EN boxart.png
|boxart2=Silver EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Gold Version's box art, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}.
|caption2=Pokémon Silver Version's box art, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Lugia}}.
|jbox=Gold JP boxart.png
|jbox2=Silver JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Box art of Pocket Monsters: Gold, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}.
|jcaption2=Box art of Pocket Monsters: Silver, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Lugia}}.
|platform=[[Game Boy]] (enhanced for the [[Super Game Boy]], [[Super Game Boy 2]], and [[Game Boy Color]]) [[Game Boy Color]] (South Korea only)
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]], [[Infrared]] ([[Game Boy Color]] only)
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]] {{wp|Daewon C.I.|Daewon}} (South Korea)
|gen_series=[[Generation II]] [[core series]]
|cero=Not applicable
|esrb=E
|pegi={{tt|3|Rating from TPCi}}
|acb=G
|oflc=G8+
|grb=ALL
|release_date_ja=November 21, 1999<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-gs/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref>
|release_date_na=October 15, 2000<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com (US)]</ref>
|release_date_au=October 13, 2000
|release_date_eu=April 6, 2001<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/games/videogame-pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref>
|release_date_kr=April 24, 2002
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-gs/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-gold-version-and-pokemon-silver-version/ Pokémon.com] [http://web.archive.org/web/20071011003114/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-322 Nintendo.com (Gold)] [http://web.archive.org/web/20071011003119/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-323 Nintendo.com (Silver)]
}}

{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

'''Pokémon Gold Version''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　金}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Gold'') and '''Pokémon Silver Version''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター　銀}}''' ''Pocket Monsters: Silver'') were the first [[core series]] games of [[Generation II]] for the [[Game Boy Color]].

During development, the games had the tentative titles of '''Pocket Monsters 2''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター２}}''')<ref name="NoJ97"/> or '''Pokémon 2''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケモン２}}''')<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120621104801/http://www.geocities.jp/bgrtype/gsl/words2/pokemon2/pokemon2.html ポケモン２(仮)]</ref> and '''Pocket Monsters 2: Gold & Silver''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター2　金・銀}}'''),<ref name="NoJ97">[https://web.archive.org/web/19970627055949/http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/index.html ポケットモンスター2]</ref> along with a provisional release date of "late 1997".<ref name="NoJ97"/> The number 2 was dropped as of {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} ’97 in November 1997.

Originally announced for a March 1998 release in Nintendo Space World '97,<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n12/swgbsoft/swgb03.html SPACEWORLD'97 出展　GAME BOYソフト]</ref> the games had their launch date postponed, with [[Nintendo]] issuing a public apology where it is claimed that the developers are worn out but fully committed to the project and that they require more time to expand and improve the games further.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19980530125759/http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kingin/enki.html ポケットモンスター金・銀発売延期のお知らせとお詫び]</ref> They were eventually released in Japan on November 21, 1999, in North America on October 15, 2000, and in Europe on April 6, 2001. In {{pmin|South Korea}}, Nintendo collaborated with {{wp|Daewon C.I.|Daewon}} to release the games in the country, which occurred on April 24, 2002; the Korean versions are solely compatible with the Game Boy Color, which was released there in 2000, also by Daewon.<ref>[http://bbs2.ruliweb.daum.net/gaia/do/ruliweb/default/nds/84/read?bbsId=G003&itemId=5&articleId=1372618 게임보이 발매 25주년 | Daum 루리웹] ([https://archive.today/CJqGo archived copy])</ref>

As Pokémon had become an international phenomenon already with the release of {{game|Red and Blue|s}} and {{game|Yellow}} in North America and other regions, the localized versions of these games were greatly expected. Much like Red and Green (Red and Blue overseas), Gold and Silver were followed shortly by a solitary version with minor changes, {{game|Crystal}}, as well as remakes two [[generation]]s later in the form of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} for the [[Nintendo DS]].

Unlike earlier games, Pokémon Gold and Silver take place in the [[Johto]] region, west of the region that the original games take place in, [[Kanto]]. However, Kanto can be traveled to later in the games.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
===Main game===
{{ga|Ethan|The player}} begins their journey from [[New Bark Town]], running an errand for [[Professor Elm]] to [[Mr. Pokémon]]'s house to discover what he was so excited about. Elm supplies the player with one of three Pokémon, {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}}, for this errand. After Mr. Pokémon's discovery turns out to be an {{pkmn|Egg}}, the player returns to New Bark, only to find that a suspicious {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} seen lurking outside of Elm's lab earlier has stolen one of Elm's Pokémon— the one that the player's choice is weak to, coincidentally. Upon defeating him and returning to New Bark, the player gives the name of the boy (the player can choose any name, provided it fits under the seven-character limit; his name defaults to Silver{{sup/2|G}} or Gold{{sup/2|S}}) to a police officer who has come to investigate the incident. Elm is amazed by the Egg and insists on studying it, allowing the player to keep the Pokémon they traveled with as a [[starter Pokémon]]. From here, he encourages the player to journey across [[Johto]] and challenge the eight [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Falkner]], [[Bugsy]], [[Whitney]], [[Morty]], [[Chuck]], [[Jasmine]], [[Pryce]], and [[Clair]], and eventually the [[Pokémon League]] (though this is a long way off). With the first Gym in nearby [[Violet City]], the player heads off on their adventure.

After defeating Falkner for the {{Badge|Zephyr}}, Elm's assistant appears to give the player the Egg, which will later hatch into a {{p|Togepi}}. Heading south towards [[Azalea Town]] by way of {{rt|32|Johto}} and [[Union Cave]], the player meets up with the villainous [[Team Rocket]], formed again after it was disbanded [[Generation I|three years prior]] in the neighboring [[Kanto]] region by {{ga|Red|a young Trainer}}. They are cutting off the tails of the {{p|Slowpoke}} that are legendary in Azalea, intending to sell them for a large profit. [[Kurt]], a local maker of specialty [[Poké Ball]]s, is greatly angered by this, and requests the player's help in chasing away Team Rocket and saving the Slowpoke. Though he falls into [[Slowpoke Well]], hurting himself in the process, he begs the player to continue on to fight the organization with their Pokémon. After this has been done, and Team Rocket is chased away from Azalea, Kurt gives the player a {{ball|Lure}} and will make his specialty Poké Balls when brought any kind of [[Apricorn]], one per day. After defeating [[Bugsy]] in the [[Azalea Gym]] for the {{Badge|Hive}} and defeating the red-haired boy (Silver) once again, the player can journey into [[Ilex Forest]] to find the [[Charcoal]] maker's {{p|Farfetch'd}} and get {{HM|01|Cut}}. With this, Ilex Forest can be navigated through towards {{rt|34|Johto}}. On Route 34, a [[Pokémon Day Care]] is set up, however, unlike the one found in [[Kanto]] on {{rt|5|Kanto}}, it is capable of raising two Pokémon at once. If these Pokémon are [[Egg Group|similar enough]], and if a male and female have been put in together, a [[Pokémon Egg]] can be produced.

Venturing into [[Goldenrod City]], the player's third Badge, the {{Badge|Plain}}, awaits. After defeating [[Whitney]] and getting the Badge, receiving a {{DL|Watering can|SquirtBottle}} allows the player to move the {{p|Sudowoodo|strange tree}} blocking {{rt|36|Johto}} to the north. If it is [[Days of the week|Tuesday, Thursday, or Saturday]], the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] will be occurring at the [[National Park]] on {{rt|35|Johto}}, as well. In [[Ecruteak City]], [[Bill]], the developer of the [[PC]] [[Pokémon Storage System]] is performing repairs on the [[Time Capsule]], and as the player arrives, he will finish, asking for them to come visit him in his parents' house in Goldenrod, where he will give away an {{p|Eevee}}. Another Gym is in Ecruteak, where the {{type|Ghost}} Leader [[Morty]] battles for the {{Badge|Fog}}.

The player goes on through {{rt|38|Johto}} and {{rt|39|Johto}} to arrive in [[Olivine City]]. Once there, they learn from Silver that [[Jasmine]], the Gym Leader, is not available at the moment, since she is taking care of the [[Glitter Lighthouse|lighthouse's]] [[Amphy|Ampharos]] and refuses to leave until the Pokémon is given a [[SecretPotion|special medicine]] from [[Cianwood City]]. The player thus surfs their way through {{rt|40|Johto}} and {{rt|41|Johto}} to get to Cianwood. There, they encounter the {{type|Fighting}} Leader [[Chuck]], who presents the player with the {{Badge|Storm}}. They get the SecretPotion from the Cianwood Pharmacy and goes back to Olivine. Jasmine, relieved after getting her Ampharos's medicine, goes back to taking Gym challenges. Her Pokémon specialty is of the {{t|Steel}} type. When the player gets their sixth Badge, the {{Badge|Mineral}}, they travel to [[Mahogany Town]], through {{rt|42|Johto}}. The Gym is blocked by a man and the way to {{rt|44|Johto}} and the [[Ice Path]] is blocked by another man trying to sell [[Rage Candy Bar|RageCandyBars]].

The player heads north to {{rt|43|Johto}} and the [[Lake of Rage]]. Upon entering the gate, two {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket Grunt}}s charge them {{pdollar}}1000 to go through. When the player gets to the lake, they encounter the [[Red Gyarados]]. After the player defeats, catches or flees from it, they receive the {{key|II|Red Scale}}. A caped man named [[Lance]] appears on the shore and reveals Team Rocket's secret hideout to the player. The player goes back to Mahogany and goes through the hideout, along with Lance. Team Rocket's plan was to emit sound waves, inducing the Magikarp in the lake to evolve into Gyarados, which caused the effect of the Red Gyarados. Once the player defeats all the Rockets and disables the wave-emitting machine, they can challenge [[Pryce]], the town's {{type|Ice}} Gym Leader.

Upon defeating the Gym Leader and obtaining the {{Badge|Glacier}}, the player receives a phone call from Prof. Elm about a strange radio signal emitted by Team Rocket, trying to connect with their missing leader, [[Giovanni]]. The player goes to the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] to investigate. Once there, they find the Tower to be taken over by Team Rocket. When the player ascends to the top floor, they find the director of the Radio Tower, only to discover that he has been impersonated by a Rocket and that the real Director is actually locked in Goldenrod's basement. Once the player enters the basement, they are once again encountered by Silver, who intends to defeat Team Rocket all by himself. He still questions the way he treats his Pokémon. Once the player gets to the very bottom of the basement, they find the Tower's real Director. He gives the player the Card Key, so that they can access the higher floors of the Radio Tower.

After clearing all of the Rockets, effectively disbanding them, the player receives either a {{key|II|Rainbow Wing}} to encounter {{p|Ho-Oh}} or a {{key|II|Silver Wing}} to encounter {{p|Lugia}}, in the Gold and Silver versions respectively. The player can either go to the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] or the [[Whirl Islands]] at this point, to challenge Ho-Oh or Lugia, respectively; alternatively, they can go straight to {{rt|44|Johto}}, now unblocked, and through the [[Ice Path]] to get to [[Blackthorn City]]. There the player can challenge [[Clair]], the {{type|Dragon}} Gym Leader. Before giving the player the {{Badge|Rising}}, however, Clair requires the player go through a test to prove their worthiness. To complete this test, the player must enter the [[Dragon's Den]] and retrieve a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Dragon Fang}}. When the player finds the item, they receive the Rising Badge from Clair. Having obtained all 8 Badges, the player returns to [[New Bark Town]], traveling down {{rt|45|Johto}} and {{rt|46|Johto}}.

Professor Elm contacts the player, and awards them with a {{ball|Master}} when visited. From New Bark, the path to the Pokémon League is to the east, across {{rt|27|Kanto}} and into [[Kanto]], then across {{rt|26|Kanto}} and through {{ka|Victory Road}} to [[Indigo Plateau]]. When the player reaches the exit of Victory Road, Silver appears again and battles the player.

The [[Elite Four]] awaits the player if they have collected all eight Badges. When the player enters the League, they must face all four in sequence. [[Will]], who [[Pokémon training|trains]] {{type|Psychic}} Pokémon, is first, followed by [[Koga]], who specializes in {{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Following is [[Bruno]], who uses {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon, and finally, [[Karen]], who specializes in the {{t|Dark}} type. After defeating these four, the reigning [[Pokémon Champion]], [[Lance]], challenges the player to a final battle. After his defeat, {{prof|Oak}} and his co-host on [[Professor Oak's Pokémon Talk|Pokémon Talk]], [[DJ Mary]], arrive and congratulate the player. Lance then takes the player to a back room and tells the player that they are admitted into the [[Hall of Fame]]. The credits roll.

===Postgame===
After the credits roll, the player ends up back in [[New Bark Town]] in their room; however, Professor Elm calls, requesting a favor. After visiting his lab, he gives the player an {{key|II|S.S. Ticket}} that allows access to the [[S.S. Aqua]], a ship that travels to and from [[Kanto]], the region that Elm wishes for them to explore. On the first entry into the S.S. Aqua, a man will bump into the player, and will ask them for help as he has lost his granddaughter on the ship. After locating her in the captain's cabin and reuniting her with his grandfather, the ship will arrive in [[Vermilion City]], where the player will take their true first steps in Kanto.

At this point, the player is given free reign to travel throughout the (scaled-down) Kanto region, and collect the eight Badges from [[Generation I]]'s [[Indigo League#Gym Leaders of the Indigo League|Gym Leaders]]. The player can accomplish this in any order; however, certain events must be completed before some Leaders can be challenged. For example, a Team Rocket grunt has stolen a {{key|II|Machine Part}} from the [[Kanto Power Plant]] and hidden it inside [[Cerulean City]]'s [[Cerulean Gym|Gym]]; the grunt must be fought and the Machine Part restored to the Power Plant before [[Misty]] can be found at [[Kanto Route 25|Cerulean Cape]] and persuaded to return to the Gym. [[Giovanni]], the previous Leader of [[Viridian City]], has now left, and former Indigo {{pkmn|Champion}} {{ga|Blue}} is now its Leader; however, Blue is at the site of [[Cinnabar Island]], musing over its destruction by the local volcano's eruption. When found there, Blue will return to [[Viridian Gym]] to be battled. Blaine was the Leader of [[Cinnabar Gym]]; when the town was destroyed, he took refuge in one of the [[Seafoam Islands]] and can be fought there.

When the player has earned all eight Kanto Badges (and, therefore, all sixteen Badges in the game), Oak allows them to venture to {{rt|28|Kanto}} and, past it, [[Mt. Silver|Silver Cave]], a location where only the greatest of Trainers can venture. Silver Cave is a grand set of open tunnels and passages which are riddled with powerful Pokémon, but the player continues to travel through to the end of the cave, where {{ga|Red}}, now a [[Pokémon Master]], stands alone to be fought. When Red is defeated, the credits roll again and, afterward, the player is deposited at Route 28's [[Pokémon Center]], outside of Silver Cave.

==Blurb==
Enter a whole new world, with new Pokémon to capture, train and battle! Meet Professor Elm and get the all-new [[Pokégear|Poké Gear]], including {{DL|Pokégear|map}}, {{DL|Pokégear|radio}}, [[Pokégear#Phone|cell phone]] and [[Pokégear#Time|clock]]. Set the clock then watch as day turns to night and events take place in real [[time]]— and be sure to keep an eye out for Pokémon that come out only at night!

==Connectivity==
Pokémon Gold and Silver continued the tradition allowing players to trade Pokémon between two cartridges via a [[Game Boy]] [[Game Link Cable]], but also revamped it as well. Gold and Silver (as well as Crystal) introduced backwards-connectivity to the trading processes, allowing players to trade with other Generation II games, as well as Red, Blue and Yellow (and Green, in Japan). This has to be done in order to complete the Pokédex without cheating or using [[glitch]]es, since each of the games has game-exclusive Pokémon which cannot be obtained in another game.

The games are not compatible with games released as part of later [[generation]]s.

The games were also compatible with the [[Game Boy Printer]] with the use of a [[Game Link Cable]]. Upon connectivity, players could print out pictures of Pokémon from the Pokédex or Pokémon summaries from the player's party. In Pokémon Crystal, a feature was added where players could print out a translation of {{p|Unown}}, which helped them translate ruins easier.

==Features==
===Gyms===
There are eight Pokémon Gyms in Johto, each with their own type affiliation. The Gym Leaders are [[Falkner]] ({{t|Flying}}), [[Bugsy]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Whitney]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Morty]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Chuck]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Jasmine]] ({{t|Steel}}), [[Pryce]] ({{t|Ice}}) and [[Clair]] ({{t|Dragon}}). These Gyms notably feature the types not accounted for by Kanto Gyms, with the exception of the {{t|Dark}} type. Since Kanto is accessible after defeating the Elite Four, players can visit the eight Pokémon Gyms in the region, even though there have been some changes. The Gym Leaders are [[Brock]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Misty]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Lt. Surge]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Erika]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Janine]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Sabrina]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Blaine]] ({{t|Fire}}) and {{ga|Blue}} (various).

===Elite Four===
Gold and Silver introduce a new Elite Four syndicate, though it is found at the same location as it previously was in the Red and Blue versions: [[Indigo Plateau]]. The Elite Trainers are [[Will]] ({{t|Psychic}}), [[Koga]] ({{t|Poison}}), [[Bruno]] ({{t|Fighting}}), and [[Karen]] ({{t|Dark}}); the {{pkmn|Champion}} is [[Lance]], who uses {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon. [[Lorelei]] and [[Agatha]], who were part of the Elite Four in Generation I, do not appear in Generation II, nor are they mentioned.

===Pokémon===
The games feature 100 new Pokémon species, plus the 151 Pokémon of [[Generation I]]. Despite this, not all Pokémon are available to a single player, regardless of version; trades must occur between players in order to complete their Pokédex without the use of cheats or glitches. In addition, most Pokémon associated with events in [[Generation I]], including the [[Kanto]] {{pkmn2|starter}}s (discounting {{game|Yellow}}'s {{p|Pikachu}}), the [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Fossil Pokémon]], the [[legendary birds]], {{p|Mewtwo}} and {{p|Mew}}, are absent from all [[Generation II]] games and must be [[Time Capsule|traded over]]. {{p|Celebi}} is the only Pokémon introduced in Gold and Silver that can ''only'' be legitimately acquired by attending a Nintendo [[event]].

The Pokémon sprite designs also differ between the two games, a characteristic so far unique to this pair.

====[[Game-exclusive Pokémon|Game exclusives]]====
For unknown reasons, two sets of [[game-exclusive Pokémon]], {{p|Phanpy}} and its evolution {{p|Donphan}}, along with {{p|Teddiursa}} and its evolution {{p|Ursaring}}, were swapped between the Japanese and localized releases, with the former available in Japanese Gold and international Silver and with the latter available in Japanese Silver and international Gold. However, this situation did not occur with the remakes, HeartGold and SoulSilver.

The Korean versions of Gold and Silver do not have this change.

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{{Moveentry|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentry|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||}}
{{Moveentry|058|Growlithe|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|059|Arcanine|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentry|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison|}}
{{Moveentry|207|Gligar|2|Ground|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|216|Teddiursa|1|Normal||{{fn|1}}}}
{{Moveentry|217|Ursaring|1|Normal||{{fn|1}}}}
{{Moveentry|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying|}}
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{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentry|053|Persian|1|Normal||}}
{{Moveentry|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying|}}
{{Moveentry|231|Phanpy|1|Ground||{{fn|2}}}}
{{Moveentry|232|Donphan|1|Ground||{{fn|2}}}}
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*{{fnb|1}}Exclusive to Silver in the Japanese and Korean versions.
*{{fnb|2}}Exclusive to Gold in the Japanese and Korean versions.

===Pokégear===
The Pokégear is received at the beginning of the game from the protagonist's mother. It has several functions, some of which will need to be unlocked during the game by receiving special expansion cards. The Pokégear displays the day of the week and the time of day, entered at the beginning of the game, a map of Johto (and later Kanto) once the Map Card is obtained, a cellphone, allowing the user to make calls to people that they've traded phone numbers with, and a radio which allows the player to get tips from Professor Oak and [[DJ Mary]] on Oak's Pokémon Talk, affect how active wild Pokémon are by playing Pokémon March or Pokémon Lullaby on the [[Pokémon Music]] station, or listen to the [[Lucky Channel]] to keep track of the Radio Tower's lottery promotion.

===Apricorns===
More specialized [[Poké Ball]]s were introduced in these games. A {{ball|Lure}} is more effective if used against a Pokémon caught with a [[Fishing|fishing rod]], a Heavy Ball is used to catch large, heavy Pokémon like {{p|Snorlax}}, and a {{ball|Friend}} will make a Pokémon more comfortable and friendly to its Trainer much more quickly. To obtain these Balls, [[Apricorn]]s must be picked from special plants found throughout Johto, and [[Kurt]] in [[Azalea Town]] will fashion these into the different Balls based on their color. However, Kurt can only make one Ball at a time, and players must wait until the next day for Kurt to finish the Ball.

===Kanto===
After defeating [[Lance]], and becoming the [[Pokémon Champion]], players can travel to [[Kanto]], the region introduced in Generation I, and see how things have changed over the past three years:

* Due to a power outage, a key is no longer required to open the door to [[Lt. Surge]], and the garbage cans in his Gym are all empty (save for trash).
* A volcano has destroyed everything but the [[Pokémon Center]] on [[Cinnabar Island]], leaving a rain-filled crater behind.
* {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} are no longer found in Kanto, logically because they have already been caught in Generation I. The [[Cerulean Cave]] and {{p|Mewtwo}} are also gone, though a man near the cave ruins does mention the dungeon, and a hidden item called the {{DL|In-battle effect item|Berserk Gene}} can be found in the water near its former entrance.
* [[Bill]]'s house ([[Sea Cottage]]) is still present at the Cerulean Cape, but Bill is currently visiting his family in Johto's [[Goldenrod City]]. The house is being watched over by his grandfather.
* [[Blaine]] has moved his Gym to one of the [[Seafoam Islands]] due to [[Cinnabar Island|Cinnabar]]'s volcanic eruption. As a result, no wild Pokémon can be found in the Seafoam Islands.
* {{ga|Blue}} (Green in the Japanese versions), the rival of Generation I, is now the leader of the [[Viridian City]] [[Viridian Gym|Gym]]. [[Giovanni]] is nowhere to be seen, though he is clearly mentioned many times, as Team Rocket aims to find him.
* {{ga|Red}}, the Generation I protagonist, appears in Johto's [[Mt. Silver]], serving as the game's true final challenge. His highest level Pokémon is a level 81 Pikachu. Red also has a {{p|Snorlax}} at level 75, a {{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}, each at level 77, and a level 73 {{p|Espeon}}. The first five Pokémon are specially obtainable in Pokémon Yellow.
* The {{OBP|Copycat|character}} still lives in [[Saffron City]], but has moved to another area of town. Her old house was demolished to make way for the [[Magnet Train]] station. As compensation, she received a free rail pass from a man at the station, which she gives away to the player after the return of her {{key|II|Lost Item|lost doll}}. According to her mother, this is the same {{DL|Escape item|Poké Doll|doll}} that Red exchanged for {{TM|31|Mimic}} in [[Generation I]].
* Kanto Gym Leaders use Generation II Pokémon in addition to Generation I Pokémon.
* Remixes of most of the overworld and battle music from the Generation I games are used. Some notable exceptions include Cinnabar Island's music and the music from various Team Rocket hideouts.
* Most [[route]]s were shortened, but cities and towns generally remained the same size except [[Celadon City]], which shrank slightly.
* Pokémon seen in the wild are different: many Generation II Pokémon can be found. Some Pokémon that were previously restricted to the {{Safari|Kanto}} can be caught in wild areas, such as {{p|Rhyhorn}} in {{ka|Victory Road}} and {{p|Kangaskhan}} in [[Rock Tunnel]].
* The entrance to [[Team Rocket]]'s [[Rocket Hideout|headquarters]] in the basement of the Celadon City [[Celadon Game Corner|Game Corner]] has been removed, although a man in Celadon's Pokémon Center alludes to it.
* The formerly-abandoned [[Kanto Power Plant]] is now used to power the new Magnet Train (which may have led to the departure of the Pokémon that once infested the plant in Generation I).
* The {{DL|Cerulean City|bike shop}} in [[Cerulean City]] is closed, and the owners have moved to Goldenrod City in Johto.
* The {{ka|old man}} in Viridian City has now had his coffee, and says, "Hey, kid! I just had a double shot of espresso and I am wired!" He references the fact that in Generation I he taught the player how to catch Pokémon, and asks if the player believes him, but does not attempt to teach this time around.
* The [[Fighting Dojo]]'s master is away training, so the Fighting Dojo only provides a {{DL|In-battle effect item|Focus Band}} left behind. The [[Kiyo|master]] is training in [[Mt. Mortar]] in Johto. When found and defeated, he will give away a {{p|Tyrogue}}.
* The [[Pewter Museum of Science|museum]] in [[Pewter City]] is closed for renovations.
* The other caverns and [[Viridian Forest]] all have the same layout as they did before (with the exceptions of [[Mt. Moon]] and the Seafoam Islands), but reduced in size.
* [[Koga]], the former Gym Leader of [[Fuchsia City]] and now a member of the [[Elite Four]], has been replaced by his daughter [[Janine]].
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] in [[Lavender Town]] has been replaced by a [[Lavender Radio Tower|Radio Tower]], similar to the one in [[Goldenrod City]]. In turn, the Pokémon grave sites were moved into the newly added Soul House. Access to the upper floors of this Radio Tower is restricted, a safety precaution taken as a result of Team Rocket's takeover of [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Johto's Radio Tower]].
* The {{ka|Safari Zone}} is closed while the [[Baoba|warden]] is on a vacation. Instead, the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] at the [[National Park]] takes its place.
* The {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 7-8}} from Celadon City to Lavender Town has been sealed indefinitely, ostensibly due to vandalism. A sign cites local complaints about battles there and a local Biker Gang complains about it closing down because it was their base.
* Victory Road's length has been drastically shortened, and no longer includes the barriers, boulders, Trainers, and pressure sensors. Trainers can be found outside, but no longer in Victory Road itself.
* Viridian Forest has been reduced to shrubs, and wild Pokémon can only be caught in the grass of what used to be {{rt|2|Kanto}}.
* Route 23 has been reduced to a short path leading between {{ka|Victory Road}}'s exit and [[Indigo Plateau]].
* The Pokémon Center on Route 4, outside Mt. Moon, is no longer there, leaving the player to trek all the way to Pewter City to heal their Pokémon.
* The player can no longer enter Silph Co.'s upper levels due to increased security.

==New features==
Gold and Silver introduced a number of features to the Pokémon video game franchise, many of which set a new standard for every game in the series that followed. Gold and Silver introduced the concept of storing items such as healing items, [[Poké Ball]]s, and [[key item]]s in separate compartments in the [[Bag]]. The updated battle screen showed both how much [[experience]] points a Pokémon had until its next level and whether an encountered wild Pokémon's species has already been captured. Also, held items raised the bar for strategy, allowing players to outspeed opponents, heal ailments, restore {{stat|HP}} in {{pkmn|battle}}, boost the power of moves of a specific type, or increase the Pokémon's [[friendship]], among other uses. All {{pkmn|Trainer}}s battled by the player had their own unique name, and some would be available for rematches later in the game.

A [[Time|time system]] was also introduced. Throughout the game, Pokémon appearances are influenced by time of day: morning, day, and night. {{p|Hoothoot}}, for example, only appears at night (since it's an owl-like Pokémon). Certain events are also determined by the day of the week, like the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] which is held in Johto's [[National Park]] on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Depending on the day of the week, either "[[Pokémon March]]" or "[[Pokémon Lullaby]]" can be heard on the PokéGear radio. Pokémon March raises the chance of a Pokémon appearing when the player walks into the grass, while Pokémon Lullaby decreases that chance.

===Breeding===
With the introduction of {{pkmn|breeding}}, all Pokémon belong to one or two [[Egg Group]]s. It is important to note that [[legendary Pokémon]] cannot be bred; they are genderless, and will not breed, even with a {{p|Ditto}} (which can breed with any Pokémon capable of breeding).

A baby Pokémon will be born when a male Pokémon and a female Pokémon that share at least one Egg Group are left at the [[Pokémon Day Care]]. In the case of Pokémon that are always male ({{p|Hitmontop}}, {{p|Nidoking}}, {{p|Tauros}}, etc.), or Pokémon who can breed but whose gender is unknown ({{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Voltorb}}), the only way to produce a baby from these species is by breeding them with a Ditto.

A baby Pokémon will inherit the species of its mother (or non-Ditto parent in the case of a Ditto breeding) and inheritable moves from its father (when it's not a Ditto). Fathers always pass down [[TM]] moves that the baby's species could learn, which are valuable (since some are only obtainable one time). If both parents know a move that the baby's species learns by leveling up, the baby is born knowing that move as well. Fathers may also pass down special moves called "Egg moves" to the baby that it would not normally be able to learn by leveling up or evolving.

===Shiny Pokémon===
These games introduced [[Shiny Pokémon]]—Pokémon which have a different coloring than their species has normally, and which appear very rarely (a 1 in 8192 chance). In these games, Shiny Pokémon often have higher stats than regular Pokémon, but can never achieve maximum stats for that species (as Shininess is based on the Pokémon's {{IV}}s in this generation).

In this generation, the odds of an {{pkmn|Egg}} hatching into a Shiny Pokémon can be significantly increased if one or both parents are Shiny.

There is one Pokémon guaranteed to be Shiny: a [[Red Gyarados]] can be found at the [[Lake of Rage]]. Since it is part of the storyline, it is impossible not to encounter this Pokémon as Shiny.

===Pokérus===
[[Pokérus]] (a portmanteau of "Pokémon" and "virus") was introduced. Encountering a Pokémon with the virus is even rarer than encountering a Shiny Pokémon, with the odds estimated to be somewhere around a 1 in 21,845 chance. Pokérus doubles the special experience (a concept adapted to later installments as [[effort values]]) that the player's Pokémon gain each time the infected Pokémon participates in battle (provided the battle is won and the infected Pokémon does not faint).

===Type and stat changes===
Two new [[type]]s were introduced: {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}}. These two types serve to balance the {{t|Psychic}} type, which previously was only weak to {{type|Bug}} moves. In addition, the Steel and Dark types also balanced the {{t|Fighting}} type, which was only [[super effective]] against {{t|Normal}}-, {{t|Ice}}-, and {{type|Rock}} Pokémon; Steel and Dark are both weak to Fighting-type moves. Steel-type Pokémon are known for their very high defense; they are highly resistant to many types and their moves are strong against Ice- and Rock-type Pokémon. Dark-type Pokémon are immune to Psychic-type moves and have moves with malicious-sounding names, such as {{m|Bite}} (previously {{type|Normal}}) and {{m|Thief}}, which are super-effective against Psychic-type Pokémon. Dark-type Pokémon are also strong against {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon, thus being the only type that has an attack advantage over Ghost-type Pokémon besides Ghost-type moves themselves. Dark-type Pokémon are also weak to Bug-type attacks.

Some type match-ups were changed as well. In Generation I Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic-type Pokémon; this was changed to super-effective as it was in the anime. {{type|Poison}} moves were previously super effective against Bug-type Pokémon, and Bug-type moves were super effective against Poison-type Pokémon; this was changed to Poison doing normal damage to Bug and Bug becoming not very effective against Poison, seriously limiting the effectiveness and usage of both types. Ice-type moves were also made not very effective against {{type|Fire}} Pokémon (previously doing normal damage). Four moves had their types changed: {{m|Gust}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Flying}} move; {{m|Bite}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Dark}} move; {{m|Karate Chop}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Fighting}} move; {{m|Sand-Attack}}, previously Normal-type, became a {{type|Ground}} move. Two Pokémon, {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}}, changed from being {{t|Electric}} type to being {{t|Electric}}/{{t|Steel}}.

Another major change from the original games was the splitting of the {{Stat|Special}} stat into {{Stat|Special Attack}} and {{Stat|Special Defense}}. Again, this increased aspects of strategy, for Pokémon were now more specialized. Some were good special attackers, while others were better physical attackers; the same now held true for Defense and Special Defense. For example, {{p|Cloyster}} has a decent Special stat in Generation I, but in all later games, has a decent Special Attack, but low Special Defense.

==Reception==
The games were generally well received and in-turn received a "Masterful" 10/10 by IGN.<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/012/012865.html IGN: Pokemon Gold Version (Pokemon Gold)] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Craig Harris of that site states "after playing the game dozens of hours, I really can't think of a bad point to make about Pokémon Gold and Silver."<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/162/162865p1.html IGN: Pokemon Gold Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

==Battery life==
Copies of the [[Generation II]] games typically lose the ability to [[save]] in a shorter timeframe than copies of the [[Generation I]] games due to the battery storing both saved game and {{wp|real-time clock}} data, causing it to drain quicker. The battery is replaceable with another one of the same kind, a CR2025, or a {{wp|CR2032 battery|CR2032}}, which is slightly thicker and lasts longer; doing so will delete the current save file in case it hasn't been erased already by the discharge of the battery. You can use a cheating device such as a Game Shark to create a backup of the save file, and then dump it back onto the cartridge after replacing the battery.

A symptom of a battery running dry is the game's inability to keep track of the time correctly (the [[error message]] '''TIME NOT SET''' may also appear on the title screen).

There exist two methods to replace a cartridge battery without losing the save file:
# This method requires an external battery pack and a 3V replacement battery - most often a battery holder with two AA or AAA batteries connected in series. One can solder the auxiliary battery to two terminals on the pcb. The terminals must be determined with a multimeter and following the traces on the pcb. The goal is to find two locations near the battery that have a 3V potential difference and solder the auxiliary battery pack to those terminals. After doing so, we have essentially connected two 3V batteries in parallel (the original and the auxiliary), after which we can safely swap out the cartridge battery to a new one. Remove auxiliary battery afterwards.
# This method requires a gaming device (GameBoy, GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance), replacement battery, and optionally an 3V battery pack - most often a battery holder with two AA or AAA batteries connected in series. First the top plate of the cartridge must be removed and the cartridge (which at this point consists of the pcb battery side up and the plastic bottom cover) inserted into the handheld device. It is unclear at which point the device loads the memory so safest is to switch the game on and click "continue" and be properly in game. Now that the game is running and the battery is exposed the game data is actually store in the memory of the device, not the cartridge, so we can simply replace the battery. After replacing battery there should not be a need to save, but just in case removing the battery changed data in the cartridge memory, it is best to overwrite the save before turning off the device. For this method it is easiest to use GameBoy Advance, because the battery is fully outside of the device and nothing needs to be done to the gaming device. Using GameBoy or GameBoy Color involves removing the back cover of the device so that the battery portion of the cartridge is fully exposed while the cartridge is inserted into the device. This often involves soldering an auxiliary battery pack onto the device's battery terminals because the battery holder is a part of the back cover that was removed to fully expose the cartridge.

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection}}
Pokémon Gold and Silver are the only paired versions which have not had any sort of official soundtrack release of the games' original tracks. The closest approximation to such a release is Disc 3 of ''Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection'', which is based on the [[GB Sounds]] item and the [[Pokémon Music Channel#Pokémon Past Archive|Pokémon Past Archive]] radio program of HeartGold and SoulSilver that is meant to emulate the style of chiptunes. However, not all of the old-style music is available on the CD. Additionally, Discs 1 and 2 of the aforementioned soundtrack contain remixes of the music originating from Pokémon Gold and Silver (and Crystal).

==Development cycle==
{{main|Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Development of Pokémon Gold and Silver}}

==Flyers==
Dated September 20, 1999 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/index1.html source])
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GS flyer front.jpg|Front
GS flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Localization changes==
{{Incomplete|section}}
===Graphics===
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the Pokémon summary screens are vertically aligned in a similar fashion to the [[Generation III]] games. In the Western localizations, due to the space constraints, the layout was reverted to the horizontally-aligned one of the [[Generation I]] games.
* The amount of PC boxes in the [[Pokémon Storage System]] was changed from 9 to 14 in the localizations (including the Korean ones) due to the maximum number of Pokémon per box being decreased from 30 to 20.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Pokémon Storage System]]'s layout is enclosed in a text-box frame and the Pokémon list appears in the background. In the Western localizations, there is no frame surrounding the Pokémon but the Pokémon list appears in a text-box frame.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, the sign of [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Johto]] have a [[Poké Ball]] drawing with the letters '''PC''' next to it. In the Western localizations, the sign was changed back to the one used in the [[Generation I]] games. The Pokémon Center signs in [[Kanto]] use the old design in all versions.
* In the Western localizations, the gender symbol for the {{p|Nidoran}} is shown twice during {{pkmn|battle}}s due to the gender symbol being placed next to the level indicator instead of next to the Pokémon's name as in the Japanese and Korean versions.
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, {{m|Sonic Boom|SonicBoom}}'s animation is a shock wave hitting the opponent. For undisclosed reasons, it was changed to a tornado hitting the opponent in the Western localizations, making it very similar to {{m|Gust}}.
* Nineteen {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, including {{p|Jynx}}, as well as certain {{pkmn|Trainer}}s, had their sprites changed between the Japanese and Western versions. The Korean versions use the same sprites as the Japanese versions. The changes made for Western versions were also taken into account for the Japanese and Western versions of {{game|Crystal}}, although they were instead incorporated in the new sprites.

===Gameplay===
[[File:PocketMonstersGumEun.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Cover of Pocket Monsters Gum·Eun]]
* In the Japanese and Korean versions, {{p|Phanpy}} and {{p|Donphan}} are found in the {{pkmn2|wild}} in Pokémon Gold while {{p|Teddiursa}} and {{p|Ursaring}} are found in the wild in Pokémon Silver. In the Western localizations, these were switched. This change was not replicated in the international versions of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
* The [[party]] of {{tc|Pokéfan}} Alex, a {{pkmn|Trainer}} found on {{rt|13|Kanto}}, is made of {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that have names ending in "king" (Japanese: キング). Due to {{p|Magikarp}} not sharing this trait in the Western releases (its Japanese name is コイキング ''Koiking''), it was replaced by {{p|Seaking}} in order to stay true to the theme. Unlike Magikarp, which is [[level]] 58, the Seaking is level 29 like the rest of his team. In the Korean versions, his team is the same as in the Japanese versions since Magikarp's Korean name is 잉어킹 (''Ingeoking'') and both {{p|Nidoking}} and {{p|Slowking}} also have the word "king" (Korean: 킹) in their Korean names. This was also not redone for {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} since Alex still has a Magikarp in the localizations, which is now level 65.
* The Korean versions of the games can only be played on the [[Game Boy Color]], due to the need for more memory in order to properly render the Korean characters.

==Trivia==
* [[Tsunekazu Ishihara]], the current CEO of [[The Pokémon Company]] (at the time, [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|the games' producer]]), originally thought that these games would be [[Game Freak]]'s last [[Pokémon]] project and thus the company invested in the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} and licensed various merchandise as means to assure the success of Gold and Silver as "the ultimate Pokémon titles".<ref>[http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/1 Iwata Asks : Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version : The King Of Portable Toys]</ref>
* These are the only pre-[[Generation IV]] [[Pokémon games]] ever released in and localized for South Korea prior to the foundation of both Nintendo of Korea and Pokémon Korea in 2006. Nevertheless, the [[Time Capsule]] is available in the Korean versions of Gold and Silver.
* The Japanese [[Super Game Boy]] border of Pokémon Gold (labeled '''POCKET MONSTERS GOLD VERSION'''), but not of Pokémon Silver, is present but unused in all releases of {{game|Crystal}}. Similarly, in the Korean releases of Gold and Silver, the English Super Game Boy borders (respectively labeled '''POKéMON GOLD VERSION''' and '''POKéMON SILVER VERSION''') are present but unused, since they only support the [[Game Boy Color]].
* In the Korean versions, the [[credits]] are presented in English. The Japanese games would later replicate this in [[Generation V]] but only when {{DL|Options|character mode}} is set to {{wp|kanji}}.
* Due to a possible oversight in the international versions, the Japanese quotation marks are used in certain parts of the dialogue, like in radio stations. This was corrected in Crystal.
* These games were the first to have [[legendary Pokémon]] as [[Game mascot|mascots]] and the use of precious stones or metals as title names.
* Gold and Silver, as well as [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|their remakes]], have the most types that have been specialized in by [[Gym Leader]]s, adding up to 15.
** If one includes the [[Elite Four]], the {{t|Ground}} type is the only type that is not specialized in by an important Trainer in these games.
* None of the [[in-game trade]]s in Gold and Silver feature the player trading away or receiving a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}}, making them the only games in which a player must link up with another player to trade Pokémon of that generation.
* Gold and Silver are the only versions where wild Pokémon battle music is different between day and night.
* The boxarts for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]], {{game|Yellow}} and Pokémon Silver are the only three instances where the English ''Pokémon'' logo is shown partially covered by some element (in this case, Lugia's crest).

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{gold color}}|bordercolor={{silver color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスター金・銀 ''Pocket Monsters: Gold & Silver''
|fr=Pokémon Version Or et Version Argent
|de=Pokémon Goldene Edition und Silberne Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Oro e Versione Argento
|ko=포켓몬스터 금・은 ''Pocket Monsters: Gold & Silver''
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Oro y Edición Plata}}

==See also==
* {{appendix|Gold and Silver walkthrough}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Game Boy Color games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Gold and Silver|*]]

[[de:Pokémon Goldene Edition und Silberne Edition]]
[[fr:Pokémon Versions Or et Argent]]
[[it:Pokémon Oro e Argento]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスター金・銀]]
[[pl:Pokémon Gold i Silver]]
[[zh:精靈寶可夢金銀版]]

Pokémon Crystal Version

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{{Infobox game | colorscheme=crystal|bordercolorscheme=crystal
|name=Pokémon Crystal Version
|jname=ポケットモンスター　クリスタルバージョン
|boxart=Crystal EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Crystal Version's boxart, [[Game mascot|depicting]] {{p|Suicune}}.
|jbox=Crystal JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Crystal Version.
|platform=[[Game Boy Color]]
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Game Link Cable]], [[Infrared|IR]]{{tt|*|Game Boy Color only}}, [[Pokémon Mobile System GB|Mobile]]{{tt|*|Japanese version only}}
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation II]] [[core series]]
|cero=Not applicable
|esrb=E
|acb=G8+
|oflc=G8+
|pegi={{tt|3|Rating from TPCi}}
|grb=Not applicable
|release_date_ja=December 14, 2000<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-crystal/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref>
|release_date_na=July 30, 2001<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20010803113547/http://www.nintendo.com/news/news_articles.jsp?articleId=4810 Nintendo of America - Nintendo Unveils New Jewel With Pokémon Crystal] (archive)</ref>
|release_date_au=September 30, 2001
|release_date_eu=November 2, 2001<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref>
|release_date_kr=Unreleased
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gbc-crystal/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/bxpj/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (US)] [http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-crystal-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)] [https://web.archive.org/web/20011004060207/http://www.nintendo.com/games/gamepage/gamepage_main.jsp?gameId=669 Nintendo.com] [https://web.archive.org/web/20010722021710/http://pokemoncrystal.com/ Pokémon Crystal.com]
}}
{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Crystal}}

'''Pokémon Crystal Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター　クリスタルバージョン''' ''Pocket Monsters: Crystal Version'') is the third and final [[Generation II]] [[core series]] game for [[Game Boy Color]]. It was released as a sister game to {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, which were released one year before. It was released in Japan on December 14, 2000, in North America on July 29, 2001, and in Europe on November 2, 2001.

It featured various fixes and some new additions, most notably the introduction of the option to {{player|play}} as a {{ga|Kris|girl}}. It takes place in the region of [[Johto]] like Gold and Silver, with access to [[Kanto]] granted later in the game, with the player's starting town being [[New Bark Town]].

The Japanese version had far more new features, all related to a {{wp|mobile phone}}-related linking technology usable through the [[Pokémon Mobile System GB]] when connecting a [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter]] to a [[Game Boy Color]] or [[Game Boy Advance]] (original or [[Game Boy Advance SP|SP]]).

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
The player is called to [[Professor Elm]]'s lab to run an errand. He provides the player with one of three Pokémon: {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or {{p|Totodile}} to help him/her get to [[Mr. Pokémon]]'s house. He/She meets [[Kanto]]'s own [[Professor Oak]] during the errand for Elm. Oak, convinced that the player has started his/her own Pokémon journey, gives him/her a [[Pokédex]]. On the way back, the player is attacked by a spiteful and {{ga|Silver|mysterious Pokémon Trainer}}. Upon his/her return to New Bark Town, the player is informed that someone has broken into Professor Elm's lab and has stolen a Pokémon, the same Pokémon that the Trainer from earlier battled with (the Pokémon that the player's starter is weak against); even more so, that very same Trainer fits the description of the Pokémon thief. This Trainer will become the player's [[rival]] for the course of the game, having several conflicts with the player as to what it means to be the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer.

[[Team Rocket]] has returned with a new attitude, since the disappearance of their leader [[Giovanni]], and once again tries to take over the world, starting with the [[Johto]] region. They begin with petty things (such as cutting off the tails of {{p|Slowpoke}} to sell as food for a high price) before becoming more devious, such as a plan to use radio frequencies to artificially induce evolution in some Pokémon at the Lake of Rage near Mahogany town. When the player defeats or captures the [[Red Gyarados|Red]] {{p|Gyarados}} rampaging in the lake, [[Lance]] will arrive and congratulate the player for his/her battling and requests that the player help him find the source of the radio signals. When the player returns to Mahogany town and enters the Souvenir Shop, he/she will find Lance and his {{p|Dragonite}} threatening the man in the shop. A secret door will open to the Rocket base, which was revealed by a Rocket Grunt to be an old ninja hideout. After the player defeats the Rocket Executive found in the hideout, Lance asks the player to help him knock out the Electrode powering the machine producing the radio waves.

After completing this task, Lance thanks the player and gives him/her the HM {{m|Whirlpool}}. After the player defeats [[Pryce]] - the leader of Mahogany Gym - Professor Elm will call the player and tell him/her about unusual broadcasts from the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Radio Tower]] in [[Goldenrod City]]. When the player reaches Goldenrod City, it is revealed that Team Rocket has taken over the Radio Tower, their intent being to try to contact their missing leader, [[Giovanni]], and persuade him to return to Team Rocket. Also, the Director of the Goldenrod station has been kidnapped and replaced by an impostor. After the player defeats the impostor, he will tell him/her the location of the real Director. When the player frees the real Director, he will give the player the Card Key, which opens the door on 3F of the Radio Tower and leads to the Rocket Executive currently in charge of the group. The player defeats the executive and Team Rocket officially disbands for a second time. The Director rewards the player with a [[Clear Bell]].

Throughout the adventure, the player will also come across {{p|Suicune}}, a legendary Pokémon that traverses Johto after the player awakens the three [[legendary beasts]] from their sleep at the [[Burned Tower]]. Unlike {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}, Suicune takes notice of the player; similarly, [[Eusine]] shows interest in Suicune, having sought it for ten years and finally catching a glimpse of it thanks to the player. As Eusine challenges the player to a battle near [[Cianwood City]], it becomes clear that Eusine wants to earn Suicune's respect so that he can find out what it is that it looks after. However, it is when the player is entrusted with the Clear Bell that the {{tc|Sage|Wise Trio}} allow them to enter the Tin Tower, where Suicune has arrived to put them to the test. Later in the story, after the player has proven their ability to touch the souls of Pokémon by catching all three of the legendary beasts, {{p|Ho-Oh}} returns to the Tin Tower after 150 years of testing humans from afar.

As in all previous games, the main goal of the player is to defeat all the [[Gym Leader]]s of Johto, win all eight Badges, and take on the {{jo|Elite Four}} and the current [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]]. Afterward, the player will be able to travel to the region of [[Kanto]] and take on the Kanto Gym Leaders for their Badges. After winning all eight Badges, Professor Oak will give the player permission to go to [[Mt. Silver]] and face the protagonist from [[Generation I]], {{ga|Red}}.
{{endspoilers}}

==Blurb==
The latest in the Gold & Silver series! Travel back to the world of Johto as the Gold & Silver series continues with brand new features! Whether you're reading the fresh descriptions in your Pokédex, using the unique sort function to organize your Pokémon in new ways, watching the all-new battle animations, or discovering another way to capture {{p|Suicune}}, you'll need all of your Poké-skills to master Pokémon Crystal on your Game Boy Color!
* Unlock the mysteries of the {{p|Unown}}! All-new puzzles and rewards await you in the Ruins of Alph!
* Fight through the Battle Tower, a challenging tournament featuring Johto's best trainers!
* For the first time, play as a male or female trainer!
* Trade with Gold, Silver, Red, Blue, and Yellow versions to catch 'em all!
* Compatible with Pokémon Stadium 2 for the Nintendo 64!

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
* A female [[player character]], {{ga|Kris}}, was introduced, marking the first time players could choose the gender of their character. The choice is purely aesthetic and does not affect gameplay.
* When entering a new area, its name appears on-screen for a brief time. This would become standard for the rest of the series.
* The [[Ice Path]] was redesigned with an ice-like appearance. Some of its puzzles were also changed.
* The [[Burned Tower]] was redesigned on the exterior and interior. The outside was altered to look more liked a burned building rather than a short one (see the Burned Tower page for more information).
* [[Lance]]'s room at the [[Indigo Plateau]] was redesigned to have a draconic appearance, with the statues in the room being replaced with {{p|Dratini}} statues.
* Raikou, Entei, and Suicune have their own special battle music when the player encounters them in the wild, making Crystal the first game to sport special [[legendary Pokémon]] battle music.
* The [[Dragon's Den]] was subtly altered; now the Dragon Shrine is open, and some {{m|Headbutt}} trees were added to the back of the Shrine.
* The [[Goldenrod Department Store]] had a roof area added.
[[File:CrystalBattle.png|frame|right|Pokémon sprites are now animated.]]
* More work was done on Pokémon sprites:
** Pokémon sprites now play a short animation upon entering the fight and a longer one when the Pokémon's profile is viewed, a feature that would not be seen again until {{game|Emerald}}. In this game, only the front sprites are animated.
** While most of the Pokémon retain their sprites from either Gold or Silver, certain Pokémon, such as {{p|Houndoom}} and {{p|Croconaw}}, were given new ones. This includes some Pokémon who had identical sprites in both original versions, like {{p|Sneasel}} and {{p|Suicune}}. The W {{p|Unown}} was redesigned, its new design was used in all future games.
** A few Pokémon, such as {{p|Spinarak}}, {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Sneasel}}, were recolored to more closely match their official artwork.
** Several of the Pokémon that were redrawn gained new back sprites.
* The user interface used during Game Link Cable trades was redesigned. Gold and Silver used a simple black on white trading interface that was identical to the one used in the [[Generation I]] games, mainly to retain compatibility with older [[Game Boy]] systems. In Crystal, the menus were revamped with full color on a black background, a design which better suits the capabilities of the Game Boy Color.
* A fountain was added to the center of the pond in the [[National Park]].
* The inside of [[Mt. Mortar]] was changed.
* Certain Trainers have their dialogue changed.

===Location changes===
* Extra grass was added to the route west of [[Violet City]], and in this grass, {{p|Growlithe}} can be caught, allowing players to acquire a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon much earlier than in other versions (assuming they did not [[Starter Pokémon|choose]] {{p|Cyndaquil}}), and making a large difference in the availability of Fire-types for areas like the [[Azalea Gym]] and the [[Sprout Tower]], where Fire-types are super-effective.
* Just like in the {{game|Blue| (Japanese)|Japanese Pokémon Blue}} and all releases of {{game|Yellow}}, changes were made to available [[wild Pokémon]]:
** On one hand, several Pokémon that were exclusive to Gold or Silver are available in the wild, like {{p|Gligar}} and {{p|Skarmory}}. On the other hand, some species that were available in both Gold and Silver are a no-show this time around, like the {{p|Mareep}} family.
** {{p|Sneasel}} appears in the [[Ice Path]], whereas in Gold and Silver, it did not appear until reaching [[Mt. Silver]].
** {{p|Magmar}} no longer appears in the [[Burned Tower]], instead appearing exclusively in Mt. Silver.
** Some of the wild Pokémon that appear in [[Kanto]] were altered.
* Some Trainers were repositioned on the map.
* Several new Trainers were added. Some one of them can only be battled when certain conditions are met (example: Pokéfan Jaime on {{rt|39|Johto}} who can only be battled at night) . Some of them won't approach the player themselves, and, when spoken to, won't play the "encounter" music before engaging in battle.
* A {{Gdis|Battle Tower|II}}, the first in the series, was added to the north of {{rt|40|Johto}}.

===Gameplay changes===
* Ho-Oh cannot be caught until {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} are all caught.
* Changes were made to the [[Ruins of Alph]]. This included more common {{p|Unown}}, as well as a new subplot—completing enough puzzles allows the player to read a secret message left behind by the Unown. It suggests that the Unown were left behind by the ancient civilization that constructed the Ruins of Alph, and that the statues that line the interior were made by those people.
* Previously, Trainers who called on the [[Pokégear#Phone|cell phone]] all said the same phrase, with only the names of the Pokémon they reference changing. Trainers are now given distinct personalities (one talks about shopping, another about grooming), and call for reasons other than battling, such as giving the player items, or informing them of a rare Pokémon appearing (Wade gives the player [[Berry|Berries]], Alan gives them a {{evostone|Fire Stone}}, etc.).
* The [[Buena's Password]] radio show was added, which players can listen to on their [[Pokégear]] and receive points in order to redeem prizes.
* The new rooftop area of the [[Goldenrod Department Store]] has occasional sales, which the player is informed about if Camper Todd's number is registered in the [[Pokégear]].
* The function to reset the clock in non-Japanese and non-Korean versions of Gold and Silver remains, although it is now more difficult to access.
** On the title screen, the player must first hold the '''↓''', '''SELECT''', and '''B''' buttons.
** While holding '''SELECT''', they must release '''↓''' and '''B'''.
** Still holding '''SELECT''', they must now hold '''←''' and '''↑'''.
** Finally, the player must release '''SELECT'''.
* [[Kurt]] can now make multiple Balls from same colored [[Apricorn]]s simultaneously.
* The [[Day-Care Couple|Day-Care Man]] now gives the player an {{DL|Pokémon Egg|Odd Egg}}.
* Some Pokémon have changed level-up movesets, however, all {{p|Suicune|but one}} of them have only one change.
* Some bugs with the battle mechanics were fixed; however, the game performs a check when it detects a Link battle to use the older and buggy mechanics in order to maintain compatibility with {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}. This occurs even between linked players of Pokémon Crystal games.
** Likewise, the game also performs a check that partially converts [[Kris]] into {{ga|Ethan}} at the Cable Club and [[Time Capsule]] rooms, even if all the players using the Cable Club rooms are specifically playing Pokémon Crystal.

===Storyline changes===
* Suicune, instead of being a side legendary Pokémon, has a prominent role in the game's storyline. Awakening the Legendary Beasts is now a prerequisite for challenging Morty. After this, the player will constantly find Suicune in various locations throughout Johto. After receiving a [[Clear Bell]] (where in Gold and Silver, the {{key|II|Rainbow Wing|Rainbow}} or {{key|II|Silver Wing}} would be obtained instead), the player will have a chance to battle and capture it in the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]], and it will not run away.
* A new character, [[Eusine]], is added to the game. He is searching for {{p|Suicune}} as well, and will battle [[Player character|the player]] in [[Cianwood City]] to earn its respect.
* The chain of events to obtain the {{badge|Rising}} is altered. Where previously, it involved a trip to the [[Dragon's Den]] to retrieve the [[Dragon Fang]], it now involves entering the Dragon Shrine within the Den. There, [[Clair]]'s grandfather and leader of the dragon-user clan quizzes the player on their style of battling. Clair arrives and still refuses to hand over her Badge after the player passes. In response, her grandfather threatens to tell her cousin, Lance, of whom Clair is terrified. If all the questions are answered correctly, the player will receive a {{p|Dratini}} that knows {{m|ExtremeSpeed}} upon returning and speaking with Clair's grandfather.

===Pokémon not found in Crystal===
These Pokémon must be traded from the other games of [[Generation I]] and {{gen|II}}, as they cannot be found in Pokémon Crystal.

Note that "'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''" indicates a Pokémon that can be caught in the {{game|Red and Green|s|Japanese Green}}, and thus in the {{game|Red and Blue|s|Western Blue}} as well.

{| style="margin:auto"
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
{| style="background:#{{gold color}}; {{roundy}}; border:5px solid #{{silver color}}"
|-
! Found in Gold and Silver
|-
|
{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{gold color}}; border-collapse:collapse; background:white; margin:auto" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentry|037|Vulpix|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|038|Ninetales|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|056|Mankey|1|Fighting||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|057|Primeape|1|Fighting||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{yellow color}}|Y}}{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|179|Mareep|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|180|Flaaffy|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|181|Ampharos|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|203|Girafarig|2|Normal|Psychic|'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|223|Remoraid|1|Water||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|224|Octillery|1|Water||'''{{color|{{Gold color}}|G}}{{color|{{silver color}}|S}}'''}}
|}
|}
|
{| style="background:#{{blue color}}; {{roundy}}; border:5px solid #{{red color}}"
|-
! Only in Generation I
|-
|
{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{yellow color}}; border-collapse:collapse; background:white; margin:auto" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
{{Moveentrytm|001|Bulbasaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|002|Ivysaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|003|Venusaur|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|004|Charmander|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|005|Charmeleon|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|006|Charizard|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|007|Squirtle|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|008|Wartortle|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|009|Blastoise|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|138|Omanyte|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|139|Omastar|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|140|Kabuto|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|144|Articuno|2|Ice|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|145|Zapdos|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|146|Moltres|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
|}
|}
|}

==Localization changes==
The localized releases of Crystal, while improving on the mechanics of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, did not reprise a number of newer features that the Japanese version had received:

* In the Japanese version, {{p|Celebi}} may be caught at [[Ilex Forest]] after completing a short side-mission. A special event requiring the [[Pokémon Mobile System GB]] allowed players to obtain the [[GS Ball]]. This item, given by a {{DL|Pokémon Center Nurse|In the games|nurse}} at the [[Pokémon Communication Center]] in [[Goldenrod City]], may be taken to [[Kurt]] in [[Azalea Town]] to investigate. After a day passes, Kurt gives back the GS Ball to the player and asks him/her to check the restless Ilex Forest. Taking the GS Ball to the shrine at Ilex Forest summons a [[level]] 30 {{p|Celebi}} to {{pkmn|battle}}. Despite the fact that the GS Ball was unavailable overseas without [[cheating]] or hacking, the event was translated and adapted to the regular [[Pokémon Center]] in Goldenrod City of the Western releases of Crystal, indicating that it was intended for the localizations to include the event, but was later scrapped.
* Goldenrod City's Pokémon Center was replaced by a much larger building, the aforementioned Pokémon Communication Center. The localizations reverted it to the Pokémon Center of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} while changing some of the [[Non-player character|NPCs]] to match those in the Pokémon Communication Center.
* Players could link to [[trade]] or battle through the use of the [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter]] and the previously mentioned Pokémon Mobile System GB.
* Players could leave a Pokémon and a request for the Pokémon species that it be traded for at the Pokémon Communication Center's Trade Corner. A player could also view Pokémon up for trade from other players, and trade with them. This is similar to the current [[Global Trade System]] of the [[Generation IV]] and later games.
* The Pokémon News Machine at the Pokémon Communication Center updated over the Pokémon Mobile System GB. Pokémon News was compiled from the saved game data of players across Japan, allowing players to read about other players' adventures.
* The [[Day-Care Couple|Day-Care Man]] at the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|34|Johto}} gave an {{key|II|Egg Ticket}} which, when taken to the Trade Corner at the Pokémon Communication Center, could be traded for an {{pkmn|Egg#Odd Egg|Odd Egg}} which carried a rare {{Shiny}} [[Baby Pokémon]] knowing {{m|Dizzy Punch}}. In the localizations, the Day-Care Man instead gives away the Odd Egg himself.

==Legacy==
While Gold and Silver introduced the majority of Generation II's contributions to the game mechanics, Crystal also featured several additions to the franchise that continue into the future. First, Crystal introduced the option to play as a female character. The game also featured the first [[Move Tutor]] of the series, as well as the first {{Gdis|Battle Tower|II}}. This was the first game to include animated sprites for Pokémon, though this only applied to front sprites (back sprites remained still as they did in previous games). This feature was absent in later games until it was reintroduced in {{game|Emerald}}, after which it became standard. Back sprites did not become fully animated until {{game|Platinum}}, which also added animations for important Trainers such as [[Gym Leader]]s. In {{game|Black and White|s}}, sprites remain animated throughout the battle; before these games, Pokémon Crystal was the only game that had more than two frames per animation.

Even though {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were the first games to use [[legendary Pokémon]] (specifically {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}) as [[game mascot]]s, it was Crystal that incorporated them into the plot for the first time. The story additions involving the [[legendary beasts]] (most prominently {{p|Suicune}}), Ho-Oh and {{p|Unown}} were unprecedented, since up until then no Pokémon had been referenced in the dialogue on more than one occasion. This was also evident in the fact that the legendary beasts received a unique battle theme, and in that the plot climax was no longer limited to thwarting [[Team Rocket]], instead culminating in the battle against Suicune at [[Tin Tower]]. Later generations focus on their game mascots as part of the plot involving the [[villainous team]] of the respective region (with the only exception being the remade versions; {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} follow {{game|Red and Green|s}}'s footsteps, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} are similar to Crystal in keeping the two stories separated).

The Japanese version of Crystal notably introduced the ability to link to a wireless connection and interact with other characters (via cell phone). The [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter]] also enabled this ability in [[Generation III]] (albeit to a far lesser extent, due to the Wireless Adapter's limited range), and the Wi-Fi capabilities of the [[Nintendo DS]] completely optimized the concept in [[Generation IV]] games. The [[GS Ball]] event was the first time where an [[event Pokémon]] (in this case {{p|Celebi}}) could be caught in-game as opposed to being directly downloaded to the cartridge; this went on to be the case for several such Pokémon in subsequent generations.

==Reception==
Pokémon Crystal received good reviews, although they were not quite as positive as those of Pokémon Gold and Silver. Like Pokémon Yellow before it, and subsequently Pokémon Emerald, it was criticized for being too similar to its sister games, with IGN commenting, "there's not much in this edition that makes it a 'must buy' for folks who already own a copy or two of the previous editions".<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/165/165402p1.html IGN: Pokemon Crystal Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> IGN still gave the game an "Outstanding" rating of 9/10.<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/015/015402.html IGN: Pokemon Crystal Version (Pokemon Crystal)] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> The game received an average score of near 80% from GameRankings,<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/375087-pokemon-crystal-version/index.html Pokemon Crystal Version for Game Boy Color - GameRankings] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> about 10% lower than Pokémon Gold and Silver.<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/gbc/198308-pokemon-gold-version/index.html Pokemon Gold Version for Game Boy Color] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

==Battery life==
Copies of the [[Generation II]] games typically lose the ability to [[save]] in a shorter timeframe than copies of the [[Generation I]] games due to the battery storing both saved game and {{wp|real-time clock}} data, causing it to drain quicker. The battery is replaceable with another one of the same kind, a CR2025, or a {{wp|CR2032 battery|CR2032}}, which is slightly thicker and lasts longer; doing so will delete the current save file in case it hasn't been erased already by the discharge of the battery.

A symptom of a battery running dry is the game's inability to keep track of the time correctly (the [[error message]] '''TIME NOT SET''' may also appear on the title screen).

There exist two methods to replace a cartridge battery without losing the save file:
# This method requires an external battery pack and a 3V replacement battery - most often a battery holder with two AA or AAA batteries connected in series. One can solder the auxiliary battery to two terminals on the pcb. The terminals must be determined with a multimeter and following the traces on the pcb. The goal is to find two locations near the battery that have a 3V potential difference and solder the auxiliary battery pack to those terminals. After doing so, we have essentially connected two 3V batteries in parallel (the original and the auxiliary), after which we can safely swap out the cartridge battery to a new one. Remove auxiliary battery afterwards.
# This method requires a gaming device (GameBoy, GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance), replacement battery, and optionally an 3V battery pack - most often a battery holder with two AA or AAA batteries connected in series. First the top plate of the cartridge must be removed and the cartridge (which at this point consists of the pcb battery side up and the plastic bottom cover) inserted into the handheld device. It is unclear at which point the device loads the memory so safest is to switch the game on and click "continue" and be properly in game. Now that the game is running and the battery is exposed the game data is actually store in the memory of the device, not the cartridge, so we can simply replace the battery. After replacing battery there should not be a need to save, but just in case removing the battery changed data in the cartridge memory, it is best to overwrite the save before turning off the device. For this method it is easiest to use GameBoy Advance, because the battery is fully outside of the device and nothing needs to be done to the gaming device. Using GameBoy or GameBoy Color involves removing the back cover of the device so that the battery portion of the cartridge is fully exposed while the cartridge is inserted into the device. This often involves soldering an auxiliary battery pack onto the device's battery terminals because the battery holder is a part of the back cover that was removed to fully expose the cartridge.

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Crystal}}

==Flyers==
Dated October 31, 2000 ([http://gamedic.jpn.org/museum/tirasi/gb_rpg/index1.html source])
<gallery>
C flyer front.jpg|Front
C flyer back.jpg|Back
</gallery>

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection}}
Most of the game's music comes from Pokémon Gold and Silver, which have not had any sort of official soundtrack release of the games' original tracks. The closest approximation to such a release is Disc 3 of ''Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection'', which is based on the [[GB Sounds]] item and the [[Pokémon Music Channel#Pokémon Past Archive|Pokémon Past Archive]] radio program of HeartGold and SoulSilver that is meant to emulate the style of chiptunes. However, not all of the old-style music is available on the CD. Additionally, Discs 1 and 2 of the aforementioned soundtrack contain remixes of the music originating from Pokémon Gold and Silver (and Crystal). Moreover, several tracks that are exclusive to Japanese Crystal have not received official releases.

==Version history==
===Japan===
Only one version was released.

===International===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:left; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}; background: #{{crystal color}}"
! style="background: #{{crystal color}}; text-align:center; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background: #{{crystal color}}; text-align:center;" | Changelog
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:center;" rowspan="1" | 1.0
| Initial release (English version only)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| style="background:#FFF; text-align:center;" rowspan="2" | 1.1
|
* Fixed possible bug in the details submenu of the [[Pokédex]].<ref name="Skeetendo">[http://hax.iimarck.us/post/6767/#p6767 What ROMs do we use? (Page 1) / Game Boy / Cross‐gen / Skeetendo]</ref>
* Unintentional encoding change which corrupted the graphics in the unused [[Mobile Stadium]] screen.<ref name="Skeetendo" /> (also applies to the European localizations)
|}

==Development cycle==
{{main|Pokémon Crystal beta}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Pokemoncrystal.logo.png|thumb|An early logo for Japanese Crystal (the word ''kashō'' (仮称) means "tentative title")]]
* Although [[Game Freak]] released a game called ''[[Pokémon X and Y|Pokémon X]]'' for the [[Nintendo 3DS]] in 2013, the tentative title for a game similar to the Japanese version of Pokémon Crystal with planned support to [[Pokémon Mobile System GB|connect to a mobile phone]] and set for an April 2000 release was also ''Pocket Monsters X'' (ポケットモンスターＸ), according to multiple sources such as an {{wp|Asahi Shimbun}} news article from December 1999.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20000303153731/http://www.asahi.com/tech/news/19991216h.html ネット最前線：ニュース]</ref> The game was postponed until 2001 due to the planned release of the [[Game Boy Advance]].<ref>[http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/news/0/old/log/38.htm ポケモン情報サイト「palette」過去ログ38 - ポケパレ！]</ref> The article mentions an [[Mobile Game Boy Adapter|adapter]] for linking a [[Game Boy]] to a mobile phone, with the datacenter server used for the feature being hosted by {{wp|Kyocera}} in {{wp|Kyoto}}.
* The Japanese logo shown at {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} 2000 was originally similar to the one from {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}.<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/event/sw2000/itiran/mgb/soft/crystal/ ポケットモンスタークリスタル（仮称）]</ref> Additionally, the previous referred source also shows an early design for the [[PokéCom Club]] rooms.
* People buying a [[Game Boy Color]] during the release of this game were given the option of buying a [[Game Boy Advance]] that came with Pokémon Crystal in the package.
* During battles, Japanese midline horizontal ellipses ("⋯") are used in the English versions instead of regular ellipses ("…") due to an oversight.
[[File:Pokemon Crystal UnusedTitleScreen.png|thumb|right|The unused title screen of Pokémon Crystal]]
* The game's opening shows several {{p|Unown}} communicating with {{p|Suicune}} over radio waves, alerting it to the [[Ruins of Alph]]. Oddly, this is not part of the game's story, with the Ruins of Alph sidequest being independent of the plot involving Suicune. That said, the Unown are referenced by the {{tc|Sage|Wise Trio}} as having a cooperative bond with Suicune.
** In the Japanese version, a researcher at the Ruins of Alph claims that the [[Pokémon Communication Center]] in [[Goldenrod City]] influences the Unown. His unused English text is: ''According to my research... Those mysterious patterns appeared when the <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>com Center</sc> was built. It must mean that radio waves have some sort of a link...''
** Additionally, there is an unused static title screen in the game's data that shows an {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Unown|A-shaped}} {{p|Unown}} instead of {{p|Suicune}}. It also does not reboot the game automatically after the title screen's music stops.
* The Japanese [[Super Game Boy]] border of {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Gold}} (labeled '''<sc>Pocket Monsters Gold Version</sc>''') is unused in all releases of Pokémon Crystal. The equivalent border from the Japanese {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Silver}} (labeled '''<sc>Pocket Monsters Silver Version</sc>''') is not present.
* This is the last localized [[core series]] game to use the slogan ''[[Gotta catch 'em all!]]''.
* The Japanese version has an emblem of Suicune's crest on the back of the Game Pak's circuit board.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{crystal color}}|bordercolor={{crystal color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスタークリスタルバージョン
|fr_eu=Pokémon Version Cristal
|de=Pokémon Kristall-Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Cristallo
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Cristal}}

==See also==
* {{appendix|Crystal walkthrough}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Game Boy Color games]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Crystal|*]]
[[Category:Third versions]]

[[de:Pokémon Kristall-Edition]]
[[fr:Pokémon Version Cristal]]
[[it:Pokémon Cristallo]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスタークリスタルバージョン]]
[[pl:Pokémon Crystal]]
[[zh:精靈寶可夢水晶版]]

Talk:Magikarp (Pokémon)

2011-10-11T22:59:56Z

Black Eagle: /* Gen II, Fishing Guru */ new section

Does the Magikarp from the Magikarp salesman in the Pokémon Center by Mt. Moon have any advantages over a regular Magikarp? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you don't need to bother fishing? :P --[[User: Vladek|Vladek]]

:Yeah, and by fishing you waste {{PDollar}}200, while an estimate (to me) the idiot sells you Magikarp for {{PDollar}}500...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 10:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::But does it have any other advantages, besides not having to fish? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I really doubt that, and I think that the scammer shown in the anime that keeps on selling Magikarp is based on that guy. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, that Magikarp really doesn't have any advantages both in the animé and in the game, as far as I tested. The stats are the same <strike>useless</strike> ones, and the animé one is useless, as far as James is concerned. XD [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang'gre Habagat]]
:::::Well, remember. You can't get the Old Rod until Vermilion, you spend at least {{PDollar}}200 on Poké Balls, which don't have a sure chance of nabbing it, and then you have to train that Magikarp while training for an upcoming match with a {{type2|Electric}} Gym Leader. So yes, there is an advantage. You get all of the extra time to train the Karp. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Haha. You've got a point, TTEchidna. ^^ [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang'gre Habagat]] 07:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It is done so you can get {{p|Gyarados}} before getting the fishing rod. [[Image:Ani493MS.gif]][[User:ZanderX|Zander]][[Image:Ani493MS.gif]] 12:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::But what's the use? You know Magikarp's useless. It takes a while to train it. So just wait for the fishing rod, I say! You get the rod for free, go and fish! The Pokemon near the Magikarp salesmen are too tough for training a Magikarp. [[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Magikarp does suck, but it evolves into a Gyarados which is a powerful Pokémon. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Actually, I find that with enough patience and training, you can evolve the Mt. Moon Magikarp before reaching Bill's house at the earliest. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 
== " How do you need that cited? It's the very first foreign dex entry you get." ==

This is how: There is no specific information about which game this trivia is referring to. Trivia sections should have useful information, and I don't really find this useful if we don't include where whoever posted that trivia got that information from. No I don't mean cite it like they do on Wikipedia, I just want mention of the game this foreign etnry is from. And I also believe this trivia is misleading. Germans dub movies, so why not rewrite the video games? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question about the German Magikarp. ==

Is it possible to get a German entry of Gyarados when I evolve it? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so D: Sorry [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 19:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::Why don't you try to evolve that Magikarp? [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Not in DP... Pt however... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Is Pt supposed to stand for Platinum? If so, I got another question. How do you know that? The game isn't even in English yet. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::But it's out in Japanese, and it works on that version too! These features aren't just added on for us, you know... [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]]
::::::Yeah, but I'd expect another Asian language to appear in the Japanese version, since Japan is located in Asia. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was weird too, but you can't get Korean or Chinese entries in the Japanese version, even if you ask really nicely. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 20:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Really ==

Swift Swim is the ability of Magikarp in every Generation. But it never rains in Gen I! Was there another ability in Gen I? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 04:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:Uh ablities weren't introduced until gen 3 soo it wouldn't have mattered [[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 06:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

If you're posting things like that, I don't think you sould be posting anything until you've learned a little bit about the games (no offense). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:And he says he's the "ultra Pokémon expert" on his userpage... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== {{m|Bounce}} ==

Magikarp can learn Bounce from the move tutor in {{game|Platinum}}. If you don't believe me, go [http://serebii.net/attackdex-dp/bounce.shtml here] and look at the tutor list. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 00:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I checked and still don't believe you. How do you know they're not wrong or being mistaken? A site ran by a limited amount of people can be wrong sometimes. I would like to see a better proof than this. Serebii is a great site, but I know it has been wrong sometimes, so it's not perfect. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I at least know that Gyarados can learn it, because one of my friends traded me a Gyarados with Bounce that works on PBR. Maybe I'll get him to try to teach a Magikarp Bounce and see if it works for him or not. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 20:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It's true. Maybe it should be noted that ChoiceBounceKarp is going to be a serious contender in the metagame. [[User:Vaati000|Vaati000]] 01:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Nobody else is denying it, but think of it this way. Isn't it strange that a Pokémon that weak can learn Bounce? Sure, it makes sense since Magikarp can bounce around, but what I have hard times believing is such a weak Pokémon can learn a move with 85 base damage. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Come to think of it several weak Pokémon can learn strong moves. Let's face it, things change, and there is nothing to do about it. Only legendaries keep their signature moves forever, eventually other Pokémon can learn some other Pokémon's signature move. It's kinda like the fact for weak Pokémon, eventually all Pokémon will learn good moves. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

==Frowning Magikarp.==

Magikarp's {{v2|Platinum}} sprite is frowning because it's not in that game... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 18:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who the hell told that it wasn't in Platinum? They're lying to you. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 18:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::This article. According to the Gyarados article, it's gone too. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 18:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The data is not filled in yet. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 18:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::::They could at least say "I don't know," instead of "IT'S NOT THERE!!!" in the empty template. {{unsigned|TorchicBlaziken}}
:::::That would completely unencyclopediac. The template is set so that if nothing is filled in under the Platinum location, it always says "none". [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 18:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==Magikarp base speed==

Sorry,double post.
But I have my Magikarp right in front of me,and it says in her stats "Speed - 116".
What do you mean by "Due to its low stats (Speed, however, at 80, being the highest)",her status screen clearly says 116? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Base stats =/= actual stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh..Okay then! Just making sure [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Speed ''stat'' = [((IV + 2 * Base + (EV/4)) * Level/100) + 5] * Nature, where IV is the [[IV]] in that specific stat, Base is the [[base stat]], and [[nature]] is either 0.9 (for one that lowers) or 1.1 (for one that raises). With a neutral nature and absolute crap for IVs (a 0 in Speed, lowest you can get), your Magikarp's Speed at level 50, without any training would be 85. However, I ''assume'' it's not yet level 50, at least slightly trained, and doesn't have a 0 in its IVs for Speed. The base stats give you an idea of where the stats will fall (such as, your Magikarp's not gonna likely have 100+ Attack until sometime around level 70) but do not state the exact stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't there a website that had a calculator for that? Some German one? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

: TTEchidna my Magikarp is well over level 50,I think she's almost lv 60,by the way. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Turning Magikarp to Mew ==

The text says "A glitch in the early Japanese games, Red, Green, and Blue, allowed players to transform their Magikarp into a Mew. However, this Mew was not registered in the Pokédex, did not have the same stats nor moves, and caused some major glitches to the player's items pack." Is this actually true? If so, what is the glitch out of interest? [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 23:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

:I was about to ask the same thing. Seriously, a claim such as this should be backed-up thoroughly. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 17:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I deleted a bunch of trivia that stated rules with exceptions (i.e., it appears with Gyarados in the anime, except in X, Y, Z, and it couldn't fill its movelist until it could.) Also a feebas comparison. Those aren't really trivia bits in the sense of 'oh, this is interesting.' They're just...random, compiled facts. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Wait a minute... ==

If Pidgeotto can catch and eat Magikarp, why can't {{TRM}}? After all, he DID attempt to eat it. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 16:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he just had weak teeth. [[User:DarkGiratina]] 18:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:Or maybe a Pidgeotto's beak is stronger than a Meowth's teeth. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 17:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== EV yield ==

I checked the coding for the page, and it says it '''should''' display as 1 Speed EV. However, the chart currently displays absolutely no IVs. Anyone know how to fix the problem? [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the fix...I knew it was odd when I saw that Magikarp gave no EVs... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Magikarp}} with moves other than {{m|Splash}}, {{m|Tackle}}, {{m|Flail}}, {{m|Dragon Rage}} and {{m|Rage}} ==

Surely if you were to breed two Gyarados's with the same four moves it would breed with those four moves?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

:Nope. If a Gyarados knows a move that's not in Magikarp's level-up movelist, the ensuing Magikarp will not know that move. The only moves you can get onto a hatched Magikarp by breeding are Tackle and Flail, and that's if both parents know the moves in question; Splash is its basic move, whereas it can't even learn Dragon Rage and Rage. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Just puttin' it out there ==

the crystal sprites are not transparent, & I don't know how to fix it '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 00:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== What other Pokémon cannot learn surf? ==

The article says that "Magikarp is one of three Water-types that cannot learn Surf", so what are the other two Pokémon?
--[[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 01:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

:{{p|Wingull}} and {{p|Surskit}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mistake in the trivia ==

"The Pokédex entries for Magikarp in Gold version and Platinum version contradict each other; Gold version says that Magikarp never jumps more than seven feet, whereas Platinum version states that it may jump over a mountain."

Gold version is saying it cannot jump more than seven feet HIGH, where as Platinum version explains that it jumps over a mountain over the course of multiple years, as in, while never jumping more than seven feet high at a time, it makes its way over the mountain in multiple jumps. And by multiple, I mean thousands. So anyways, they're not contradicting each other, they're stating two different points. Jump height, and determination.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Notafan}} ([[User talk:Notafan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Notafan|contribs]]) ''
:what? I'm pretty sure that the Platinum entry says that a Magikarp that ''already'' lived for a bunch of years (as in, an old one) can jump over a mountain, not that it jumps over it over the course of several years.--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 12:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps, in the games' canon, the old Magikarp-Splash-over-a-mountain thing was a recent discovery. Also, the Gold entry doesn't specifically mention Splash, whereas this one does. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Since it's locked... ==

..., I'll just dump this here.

HG Johto-side locations: Routes 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45 and 47, Olivine City, Ruins of Alph, Lake of Rage, Whirl Islands, Ilex Forest, Ecruteak City, Ragged Cliff Gate, Violet City, Dark Cave, Mt. Mortar, Cianwood City, Union Cave, Blackthorn City, Slowpoke Well, Cherrygrove City, Dragon's Den, New Bark Town.

'''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 12:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Request 2 ==

I have noticed that {{p|Seedot}} and {{p|Pichu}} are the easiest [[Pokemon]] to capture in [[Pokemon Ranger]]. But I played the game and Magikarp has the same easinesst. Can anyone fix this? Please and thank you--[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] 05:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Should we... ==
Mention the meme "Use splash attak!" in the trivia? For those who don't know, its a looped video of Red and Blue battling with two magikarp that only know splash. I figured we should mention it since we mentioned "So I Heard You Liek Mudkipz". [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 17:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's not really as popular as the "mudkipz" meme. I don't think it should be added. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 19:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request 3 ==

Shouldn't it be noted that before Gen. IV when it could learn bounce from move tutors, Magikarp couldn't damage any Ghost Types before?

Several other articles like Weedle and Caterpie has this as trivia.[[User:Naui|Naui]] 00:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Case and point, Magikarp has never been able to learn bounce by TM, move tutor, or breeding. However as of Generation V it is able to learn it only from Dream World. So no. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:It could learn it from the HGSS Move Tutor in Gen IV. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
::Just noticed that, kind of funny how it can't learn it in Generation V though. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Base exp might be wrong ==

So on the experience page it said that magikarp used to have the lowest base exp at 20 but now the unova starters have the lowest base exp with 28 yet magikarps base exp is still listed as 20 on this page. Should this be fixed? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] 16:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Gen II, Fishing Guru ==

How is the size of a Magikarp determined? This 'size' is measured by the Fishing Guru near Lake of Rage in Gen II. Any knowledge or should I start testing? --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 22:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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== Ciao! ==

I'd like to talk you about the Finnish titles for one more time. The last time I contacted you, I actually lied, because I still had some Finnish Battle Frontier titles left. Now I'm sure that we now have every Finnish title of every Finnish dubbed episodes of Pokémon (I also keep filling the new titles as they come out). But I spotted one weird thing: I no matter how I searched, the titles of [[AG178]]-[[AG183]] and [[AG186]]-[[AG187]] remained undubbed. I'm a bit confused: the article [[Pokémon in Finland]] says that these episodes should have been dubbed, but there is no sign of dubbed titles. I know a Finnish user who has connections to behind the scenes (some kind of), but he/she isn't always active, and he/she is now having a "brake", so I turned to you. I don't know if you know anything about this, but I still try. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 14:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, they have been dubbed and released once in MTV3 Juniori; I have also seen them all. However, I don't have the titles.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 14:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::A bit odd, if you ask from me. They release the episodes, but they don't give any dubbed titles. Odd indeed... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 15:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Now I'm having trouble translating the Finnish title of [[DP147]], which is "Etsivä löytää". Any suggestions? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 08:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that's pretty hard. Maybe "Searcher will find"?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::It's also the best that I can think of, so I'm putting it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 14:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::I'm not completely satisfied with the translations of the titles of [[EP071]] and [[AG089]]. Got any better ones? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 16:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Done.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Now I have a title to translate that is not from an episode, but from a song: [[The Time Has Come (Pikachu's Goodbye)]]. I made a translation, but I'm not completely sure about the order of the words and etc. Also I made some additions to [[Pokémon in Finland]], and I'd like you to check it out and make it's style "more correct" if needed. Thanks.{{unsigned|FinnishPokéFan92}}
:::::::IMO everything looks fine as it is.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Danks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 15:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== WHY?!?!? ==

Why did you delete and Image I uploaded? [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 05:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, first Dennou doesn't have powers to delete the images. Second, you uploaded an image with .jpg extension while the image upload form clearly says "''.png for sprites, screenshots, icons, diagrams, and simple images''". Along with that, the image was small 342 x 192 and its quality wasn't good either. That is why it was deleted. Please do not blame users without any confirmation, thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 05:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::Oh FUDGE! With whip cream! >:( [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 06:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Block = NO ==

Don't block me dude. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 10:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hahaha, I can't block you; I'm not even [[JA]]. However, somebody else may block you if you don't start making constructive mainspace edits and continue making pointless talkpage comments.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Falk's death deals with Pikachu's article's lock... how? ==

Hi. Your recent edit to Pikachu's article mentioned that the article should be unlocked as Falk is dead. Can you please explain what his death has anything to do with Pikachu's article's lock? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:It was merely a joke. I made a reference to {{u|Falk|this user}}, and because of him Pikachu's page had to be protected. Haven't you really seen any he or any of his sockpuppets, which you can find [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=500&type=block&month=&year= here], being blocked?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Hey DZ, do you have a minute? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 08:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

== Please help! ==

Should the translation of the Finnish title of [[AG072]] be "the battle of genders" of "the battle of sexes", or doesn't it matter? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 16:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:It doesn't really matter, but I think "genders" is better.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Cobalion's attack ==

Yeah, I noticed that myself. x_x; I was actually going to ask Nate about that when he got back. On the news post he used "Metal" instead of "Iron" so that's what I went with, even though I knew it said "Iron" in Japanese... [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:I'm maybe too keen to patrol all edits :V...anyway, it was just a pure error on the news, not an intentional "error" that some cards have, because that card is the only one with [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AF&fulltext=Search that attack].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

May I ask why did you change the romanization of the Pokemon articles? Is there any official source? If you're following the rocket-gang subbed episodes, then it's not correct and it has a lot of errors. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 15:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I didn't notice the link in your edit summary. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 15:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Moves ==

Do i really have to say it again? As you may already know it (since you commented on what i said on Cold's Talkpage). Please don't just remove it, join the actual discussion instead. UPD: I'll leave it to your edit for the time being, because i don't want to get blocked because of communication failures. But please discuss it further, i'll create a discussion page for the purpose. [[User:Pokeand|Pokeand]] 18:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Uh, what? ==

You undid my edit to [[EP005]], not only without giving a reason, but... what is falk? And why undo that anyway? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
:{{u|Falk}} is a permabanned user who creates new new accounts and emails edit requests to other users, often related to Pikachu's Poké Ball. He was even mentioned {{bp|Messages from the Editor|here}} (April 16). If Falk requested that edit it would be ban evasion. But if you added the error without any requests, it can stay.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
::Oh. Well, I've never had anyone ask me to make any edits. I only noticed this when I was watching the episode myself today. I had just bought the first 26 or so episodes on DVD the other day. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
:::OK, sorry. I was almost sure that he requested it because [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=EP005&diff=1401287&oldid=1358179 these] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=EP005&diff=1405602&oldid=1401290 edits], both requested by him, were almost identical to yours.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
== Ho hum~ ==
Did you see what I added? A simple 'a' for Shanderaa. That's it. View my edit as proof.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 03:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:If you can read katakana, you see instantly that Chandelure's Japanese name doesn't have long A sound in the end. It's just sha - n - de - ra. Did you really assume that Bulbapedia's transliteration is incorrect and some other site uses the correct one?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 04:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
::That's all fine and dandy. But um, you kind of killed most of the page...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I was trying to fix the page. Even Psy couldn't.

As for the Shanderaa matter, I remember it being a Romanization, as well as having a redirect.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 04:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
::Page blanking was my phone's fault that I'm using. And Shanderaa was an incorrect transliteration like Sazando and Hahakurimo.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 04:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I see. Well, being a new guy, I should expect less from you guys because you clearly know what you're doing. Anyways, I use my phone all the time (no computer), and this happens. Preview button helps. So, no problems on my side, you?
::::No problems, everyone makes errors after all.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 04:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== OK ==

I'm sorry, I'm a very new user here and I don't know how things work here very well. I've been on another wiki, and this one is kind of strict compared to it. [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| You can talk to me, and I can reply!]] 22:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

== Sorry!!! ==

I know I made more than one edit but it wasn't on purpose. I accidentally pressed the "Save Page" button and wasn't finished. Sorry! ([[User:Vikeyviking|Vikeyviking]] 12:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC))

== A question ==

Hey, I've been meaning to ask someone, so I thought I'd ask you. What do those green positive numbers and red negative numbers mean, regaring the things in my watchlist? [[User:Kynexn|Kynexn]] 13:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:They mean {{wp|byte}} change of the page. Generally, one character is one byte and one Japanese or another special character is three bytes. For example, your edit on this page added 238 bytes, so the number on your watchlist would be {{color|{{green color dark}}|(+238)}}.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

== My user page ==

I have been editing, but how many edits do I have to make in order to edit my user page? Just wondering. [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| You can talk to me, and I can reply!]] 18:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, but it is a secret number that almost nobody, including me, knows.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

== remove? ==

Why did you remove my picture, what do you mean no jpg's do I need to change it to png?[[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 20:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, all new anime images must be pngs. I'm not sure, but it may also be too small and/or have bad quality.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
*Done changed to PNG

== Can it be true?! ==

I'm just so curious about this piece of information that I just couldn't wait for the episode to air: where did you find out that {{an|Iris}} is (likely) going to catch {{MTR}} in [[BW043]]? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 13:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, you really haven't heard of it yet? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4pmjkVadcI It's in 18:20].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
*Is this true :O [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 20:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Distortion World ==

I know that one came from [[DPA]], but I was referring to the one labelled "(anime)" directly above the one labelled DPA. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Oops sorry; I apparently have to watch diffs more carefully.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

::I apologize for bothering, but the anime name was mentioned in [[M11]]. Technically, it was the description for the [[Reverse World]] (More details on [[Talk:Reverse World|its talk page]]). --'''神電の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]'''」''' 10:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I would question whether we should count that as a name then. I don't know about the Japanese name, but in the English version Newton says "distorted world", not Distortion World. Since we have another name which conflicts it, I would take the DPA name as canon, and the other as simply a description of the Reverse World. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

::::In the original version, the Reverse Word is referred to as やぶれた世界, which is the Japanese name for Distortion World. The Chinese dub is always based on the original version. 破格的世界 also works as a name. And furthermore, Chinese names aren't always consistent, as you can see in [[Byron]] (東鋼 VS 東瓜), [[Candice]] (小菘 VS 鈴菜), and [[Volkner]] (電次 VS 電磁) for people, and [[Canalave City]] (水脈市 VS 運河市) and [[Sunyshore City]] (濱海市 VS 湖濱市) for places.--'''神電の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]'''」''' 12:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Dub edits or dub errors ==

Every other time the dub has named a move differently we have done this, the same with Mismagius's Shock wave/Thunder wave and Trubbish's Sludge bomb/Sludge, we mention the move was different in the dub and then we list it on the moves page. What makes low sweep/low kick any different ? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's not any different; they all should be removed. It's very misleading to list them, because in reality they are different moves. The translators didn't change them intentionally, they were all 100% mistakes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:: actualy there is no reason to suggest they are errors, just because we can't think of a reason why'd they'd change it in the dub, dose not mean there isn't one, but they are named differently in the dub so that makes them dub edits, we don't know if they did it by accident [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Just look their Japanese names. Low Sweep's is ''Low Kick'', while Thunder Wave's is ''Denjiha'' and Shock Wave's is ''Dengekiha''. It very obvious that they are mistakes. And WHY would they knowingly change moves???--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly, why would they knowingly change them, they '''probaly''' are mistakes, yet that is not confirmed so all we can call them is dub edits, dosen't matter though, Kenji dose not seem bothered [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 21:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== Constrict talk removal ==

You slated my problem with the Constrict RBY image for removal. What did I do wrong? Also, there was no green box, what are you talking about?? --Ninegon Forever! 19:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
:I mean this:
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:If you have a question about a file, you must ask it on Archives.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

== Voice actors ==

Where did you find about Cilan's Finnish voice actor even before the episode came out? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 09:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:{{u|*Jirachi*}}'s post [http://pkmn.foorumi.eu/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=169&start=240 here].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:50, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks. Oh, I just love *Jirachi*! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 09:21, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

What sort of steps would one take to suggestion an addition to the format of the Pokemon pages? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 15:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
:I think [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex|this talk page]] is the best one for a suggestion, as project Pokédex doesn't have a leader.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 16:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
== stuff ==
You can't prove that i am alipikachu how do you say that. I'm not Alipikachu
--[[User:Aliraichu|Aliraichu]] 14:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:'''''I''''' can't prove it but admins can...--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 14:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Please provide it better next time. You've done this before with the official romanizations of Pokémon names provided on those stamp things. Provide the actual page where you found your evidence on. Saying that you Google searched it tells me nothing as when I do the same, I can't find it. If it was indeed on "all Japanese site" it should show up no problem. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=qdr:h&source=hp&q=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8A+bw&pbx=1&oq=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8A+bw&aq=f&aqi=g-r2g-mr2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=37840l38359l0l38572l2l2l0l0l0l0l314l314l3-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=6844df49ecc9ed6e&biw=1600&bih=772 Here's] four sites that call her Elina while only one user on [http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=qdr:h&source=hp&q=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AC%E3%83%8A+bw&pbx=1&oq=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AC%E3%83%8A+bw&aq=f&aqi=g-r4&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=29070l29400l0l29599l2l2l0l0l0l0l229l229l2-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=6844df49ecc9ed6e&biw=1600&bih=772 2ch] calls her Elena, and six users call her Elina there.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

== Template update? ==

Hiya! Do you have authority to edit protected pages? Because, if you do, could you please edit the Animedexbody-template so that it doesn't show the link Fire Spin red? Just let me know, whether you can do it or not. Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 17:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Ps. I already asked {{user|SnorlaxMonster}} to do this, but since he hasn't been acivte for a few days, I decided to ask you for quicker help.
:Nope; I was given [[JA]] powers temporarily when Bulbapedia was locked, but I haven't had them since June.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

== Notes and Wiki-styles ==

Regarding your revert in [[Johto Route 45]], I would like to point out that the data had once been the way I edited it to be now, but someone had changed it to the false figures. By adding the note, we eliminate the possibility of someone changing them back thinking that there has just been a typo. IMHO opinions should not be more important than what is practical, this Wiki is a source of information, not a piece of art. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 17:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC) EDIT: Also, there are numerous notes on individual Pokemons that say "This type combination is unique only to this Pokemon"...how does this differ from "This pond behaves differently from all other ponds in the game." --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 17:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
:Come to think of it, it wasn't necessary to revert you edit fully. However, saying ''"Even though it seems unlikely and inaccurate"'' on an article isn't really appropriate.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, yours is a lot better. Okay, I have not studied all ponds in Gen II, but for now this is the most accurate information we have. Thanks! (Sorry for being a bit sceptic - my first two edits and both got reverted... Nice welcoming. ;) ) --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 17:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Black Eagle

2011-10-09T17:48:08Z

Black Eagle: /* User Page */

User talk:Dennou Zenshi/2011-2+2012-1

2011-10-09T17:35:15Z

Black Eagle: /* Notes and Wiki-styles */

User talk:Dennou Zenshi/2011-2+2012-1

2011-10-09T17:33:36Z

Black Eagle: /* Notes and Wiki-styles */ new section

User talk:Black Eagle

2011-10-09T17:28:19Z

Black Eagle:

User talk:Black Eagle

2011-10-09T16:55:39Z

Black Eagle: /* Intro */

Since I cannot edit my user page for some reason, I will include it here as a background information: 
Owned versions: [[Gold and Silver|Silver]] (750h), Gold(100h), [[Crystal Version|Crystal]](50h) 
--[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 16:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Black Eagle

2011-10-09T16:53:04Z

Black Eagle: Created page with "Since I cannot edit my user page for some reason, I will include it here as a background information: Owned versions: Silver (750h), Gold(100h), Crystal(50h) --~~~~"

Since I cannot edit my user page for some reason, I will include it here as a background information:
Owned versions: Silver (750h), Gold(100h), Crystal(50h)
--[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] 16:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Johto Route 45

2011-10-09T16:47:12Z

Black Eagle: /* Rods */

Johto Route 45

2011-10-09T16:46:03Z

Black Eagle: a note added to explain the levels.

{{bad picture|infobox|the picture of the route from Generation IV.}}
{{Route infobox
|number=45
|size=250
|image=Route 45.png
|imageII=Route 45.png
|type=mountain
|north=Blackthorn City
|west=Route 46
|regionwest=Johto
|west2=Dark Cave
|region=Johto
|surf=yes
|generation=2
}}

'''Route 45''' is a route in the mountains of [[Johto]]. It can only be entered from the northern terminus, as the steep ledges that one can jump over make traveling northward towards [[Blackthorn City]] impossible.

==Route description==
The route starts as a single path as it leaves Blackthorn City, with an entrance to [[Dark Cave]] on the western side, but soon breaks into three parts, all of which inevitably pass through [[wild Pokémon|long grass]]. Soon, these recombine, then split again, into two distinct paths, only one of which offers long grass. These then recombine, then are split into two, then three, paths, all filled with long grass. These three then recombine into one before splitting off once more, the eastern half traveling towards a small pond, while the western half goes directly towards {{rt|46|Johto}}. South of the pond, the eastern half rejoins the western half as well.

==Items==
{{itlisth|mountain}}
{{itlistbod|Elixir|Left path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Ether|Elixir}}}}
{{itlistbod|Max Potion|Center path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Potion|Max Potion}}}}
{{itlistbod|X Special|Left path|GSC|display={{DL|Battle item|X Special}}}}
{{itlistbod|Full Heal|Left path|HGSS|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Full Heal}}}}
{{itlistbod|Nugget|Left path|HGSS|display={{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Up|East of the grass south of the nugget ''(hidden)''|HGSS|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{itlistbod|Revive|Left path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{itlistbod|none|Near the pond at the south end of the route|GSC|display={{DL|Berries (Generation II)|MysteryBerry}}}}
{{itlistbod|Grn Apricorn|Near the pond at the south end of the route|HGSS|display={{DL|Apricorn|Grn Apricorn}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Up|Hidden in pond|GSC|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Max|On a ledge at the southern end of the route ''(hidden)'' ''(Requires using {{HM|08|Rock Climb}} on a rock wall on Route 46)''|HGSS|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Max}}}}
{{itlistfoot|mountain}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
{{catch/header|mountain}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|no|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|yes|no|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23-27|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|074|Geodude|yes|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|207|Gligar|yes|no|yes|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|216|Teddiursa|yes|no|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|no|yes|Grass|20|5%|0%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|yes|no|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|no|yes|Grass|27|5%|5%|0%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|no|yes|Grass|25|10%|15%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all=80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|50%|Special Tree}}|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|60%|Special Tree}}|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|214|Heracross|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|30%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry2|204|Pineco|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=30%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|190|Aipom|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|010|Caterpie|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|15%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|013|Weedle|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|15%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|164|Noctowl|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=10%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|012|Butterfree|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|015|Beedrill|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|011|Metapod|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|5%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|014|Kakuna|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|5%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/div|water|Fish}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=30%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry2|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/footer|mountain}}
*Even though it seems unlikely and inaccurate, all rods give only lvl 10 Pokémons in the small pond. This seems to be the only water area in Generation II that behaves this way.
===Generation IV===
{{catch/header|mountain|yes}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|no|yes|Grass|23-25|all=64%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|207|Gligar|yes|no|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|231|Phanpy|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|216|Teddiursa|no|yes|Grass|20|all=1%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|227|Skarmory|no|yes|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|land|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-24, 26-27|all=50% 80%|all=Unknown|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|190|Aipom|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-24, 26-27|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|214|Heracross|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-25|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/div|water|Fish}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Surf|2-20|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=93%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|mountain|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|333|Swablu|yes|yes|Swarm|23|all=40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|264|Linoone|yes|yes|Hoenn|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|293|Whismur|yes|yes|Hoenn|23|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|399|Bidoof|yes|yes|Sinnoh|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|418|Buizel|yes|yes|Sinnoh|23|all=20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|mountain}}

==Trainers==
===In Generation II===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|074|Geodude|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC CoolTrainerM.png|Cooltrainer|Ryan|1296|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC CoolTrainerF.png|Cooltrainer|Kelly|1296|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♀|24|None|008|Wartortle|♀|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|928|1|095|Onix|♂|29|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===Crystal===
*In addition to those of Gold and Silver, one more Trainer appears in Crystal:
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Camper.png|Camper|Quentin|600|3|022|Fearow|♂|30|None|057|Primeape|♂|30|None|128|Tauros|♂|30|None|36=リョウヘイ|37=Ryōhei}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===In Generation IV===

{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Cool Trainer M.png|Ace Trainer|Ryan|1620|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Cool Trainer F.png|Ace Trainer|Kelly|1440|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|960|1|095|Onix|♂|30|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

{{Johto}}

{{Project Routes notice}}
[[Category:Johto locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 045]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 045]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations|Route 045]]

[[de:Route 45]]
[[es:Ruta 45 (Johto)]]
[[fr:Route 45]]
[[it:Percorso 45 (Johto)]]
[[ja:45ばんどうろ]]

Johto Route 45

2011-10-09T16:42:58Z

Black Eagle: also see discussion; I confirmed from a Silver version at hand that all rods give only lvl 10 pkmns and I can remember from my old gold that this was the case in gold as well (not a bug/glitch specific to my version)

{{bad picture|infobox|the picture of the route from Generation IV.}}
{{Route infobox
|number=45
|size=250
|image=Route 45.png
|imageII=Route 45.png
|type=mountain
|north=Blackthorn City
|west=Route 46
|regionwest=Johto
|west2=Dark Cave
|region=Johto
|surf=yes
|generation=2
}}

'''Route 45''' is a route in the mountains of [[Johto]]. It can only be entered from the northern terminus, as the steep ledges that one can jump over make traveling northward towards [[Blackthorn City]] impossible.

==Route description==
The route starts as a single path as it leaves Blackthorn City, with an entrance to [[Dark Cave]] on the western side, but soon breaks into three parts, all of which inevitably pass through [[wild Pokémon|long grass]]. Soon, these recombine, then split again, into two distinct paths, only one of which offers long grass. These then recombine, then are split into two, then three, paths, all filled with long grass. These three then recombine into one before splitting off once more, the eastern half traveling towards a small pond, while the western half goes directly towards {{rt|46|Johto}}. South of the pond, the eastern half rejoins the western half as well.

==Items==
{{itlisth|mountain}}
{{itlistbod|Elixir|Left path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Ether|Elixir}}}}
{{itlistbod|Max Potion|Center path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Potion|Max Potion}}}}
{{itlistbod|X Special|Left path|GSC|display={{DL|Battle item|X Special}}}}
{{itlistbod|Full Heal|Left path|HGSS|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Full Heal}}}}
{{itlistbod|Nugget|Left path|HGSS|display={{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Up|East of the grass south of the nugget ''(hidden)''|HGSS|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{itlistbod|Revive|Left path|GSCHGSS|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{itlistbod|none|Near the pond at the south end of the route|GSC|display={{DL|Berries (Generation II)|MysteryBerry}}}}
{{itlistbod|Grn Apricorn|Near the pond at the south end of the route|HGSS|display={{DL|Apricorn|Grn Apricorn}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Up|Hidden in pond|GSC|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}}}
{{itlistbod|PP Max|On a ledge at the southern end of the route ''(hidden)'' ''(Requires using {{HM|08|Rock Climb}} on a rock wall on Route 46)''|HGSS|display={{DL|Vitamin|PP Max}}}}
{{itlistfoot|mountain}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
{{catch/header|mountain}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|no|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|yes|no|Grass|23-25|all=55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Grass|23-27|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|074|Geodude|yes|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|207|Gligar|yes|no|yes|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|216|Teddiursa|yes|no|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|231|Phanpy|no|no|yes|Grass|20|5%|0%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|yes|no|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|227|Skarmory|no|no|yes|Grass|27|5%|5%|0%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|no|yes|Grass|25|10%|15%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all=80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|50%|Special Tree}}|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|60%|Special Tree}}|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|214|Heracross|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|30%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry2|204|Pineco|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=30%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|190|Aipom|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|010|Caterpie|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|15%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|013|Weedle|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|15%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|164|Noctowl|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=10%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|012|Butterfree|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|015|Beedrill|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|011|Metapod|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|5%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry2|014|Kakuna|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|5%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/div|water|Fish}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry2|147|Dratini|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=30%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry2|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|10|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/footer|mountain}}

===Generation IV===
{{catch/header|mountain|yes}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|no|Grass|23-27|all=40%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|no|yes|Grass|23-25|all=64%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Grass|23|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|207|Gligar|yes|no|Grass|24|all=20%|type1=Ground|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|231|Phanpy|yes|no|Grass|20|all=10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|216|Teddiursa|no|yes|Grass|20|all=1%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|227|Skarmory|no|yes|Grass|27|all=5%|type1=Steel|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|land|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-24, 26-27|all=50% 80%|all=Unknown|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|190|Aipom|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-24, 26-27|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|214|Heracross|yes|yes|Headbutt|23-25|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/div|water|Fish}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Surf|2-20|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=93%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|mountain|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|333|Swablu|yes|yes|Swarm|23|all=40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|264|Linoone|yes|yes|Hoenn|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|293|Whismur|yes|yes|Hoenn|23|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|399|Bidoof|yes|yes|Sinnoh|24|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|418|Buizel|yes|yes|Sinnoh|23|all=20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|mountain}}

==Trainers==
===In Generation II===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|074|Geodude|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC CoolTrainerM.png|Cooltrainer|Ryan|1296|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC CoolTrainerF.png|Cooltrainer|Kelly|1296|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♀|24|None|008|Wartortle|♀|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|928|1|095|Onix|♂|29|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Blackbelt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===Crystal===
*In addition to those of Gold and Silver, one more Trainer appears in Crystal:
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC Camper.png|Camper|Quentin|600|3|022|Fearow|♂|30|None|057|Primeape|♂|30|None|128|Tauros|♂|30|None|36=リョウヘイ|37=Ryōhei}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

===In Generation IV===

{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Erik|864|3|066|Machop|♂|24|None|075|Graveler|♂|27|None|066|Machop|♂|27|None|36=カツヒロ|37=Katsuhiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Cool Trainer M.png|Ace Trainer|Ryan|1620|2|018|Pidgeot|♂|25|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|27|None|36=イサム|37=Isamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Cool Trainer F.png|Ace Trainer|Kelly|1440|3|183|Marill|♀|27|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|008|Wartortle|♂|24|None|36=カレン|37=Karen}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Parry|960|1|095|Onix|♂|30|None|36=タロウ|37=Tarō|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kenji|672|1|067|Machoke|♂|28|None|36=タケノリ|37=Takenori|38=phone}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Timothy|864|2|050|Diglett|♂|27|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|27|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Michael|800|3|074|Geodude|♂|25|None|075|Graveler|♂|25|None|076|Golem|♂|25|None|36=アキオ|37=Akio}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|II}}

{{Johto}}

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