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Talk:Oluolu

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Benayla: Created page with "Since his Snorlax used Pulverizing Pancake, shouldn't it be listed as knowing Giga Impact?? --~~~~"

Since his Snorlax used Pulverizing Pancake, shouldn't it be listed as knowing Giga Impact?? --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 01:20, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Ash's Totodile

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Are you sure Tony Anselmo plays the voice of Totodile? Other than imdb.com and Wikipedia, nothing I've found (including Pokemon's credits) says that he's a voice actor with the show. -PAK Man

:Well, that's what Wikipedia's article on Totodile says.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 17:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

::The only problem with Wikipedia is that anybody can contribute to it. This is also the web site that says Carlos Alazraqui was a voice actor on Pokémon, when his website never says he was. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]]

:It also doesn't make sense. I mean, everything else he's done has been for Disney - why would he voice Totodile for 4Kids? Besides, he's not the only person who can do a voice like Donald Duck - even if it's a difficult voice to imitate. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 01:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Totodile's voice ==

Totodile sounds like {{wp|Clarence Nash}} Donald Duck's original voice {{unsigned|Livinlarge18}}
:Well I can assure you that he does not voice him. Some one also thought that he voiced it too. But you have to realize that practically anyone can make their voice sound like Donald Duck's. Realize that Donald has probably had three different VA's by now and they all do his voice the same. Totodile just was made to have a "Donald Duck-like" voice. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 22:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Gah, I'm so sick of people saying Donald Duck plays Totodile. People, there is '''''NO''''' possible way that Totodile is voiced by Clarence Nash, Tony Anselmo, or any other Disney voice actor. Disney, if I recall correctly, records all of their voices in California. Pokémon is dubbed in New York. And Maddie Blaustein stated on the Serebii forums that, although she doesn't know who played Totodile, she assured everyone that it wasn't Donald Duck. Also, point out to me where Nash or Anselmo has been credited in Pokémon. The only places I see that are Wikipedia, IMDB and TV.com (which is one of the most inaccurate sites out there when it comes to voice actors. I told the editor that some of his voice actor information was wrong, and he told me it wasn't), all sites which people can contribute freely to. Also, for the record, Carlos Alazraqui '''did not''' play the Magikarp salesman, Jhonin Vasquez '''did not''' play Professor Nanba, and neither Matt Mitler or Jason Marsden has played Gary Oak. And Philip Bartlett wasn't the narrator, either. :sigh: It's as simple as just reading the credits.
::By the way, sorry if this post seemed a little angry. I'm just so mad at people who hear one rumor about a voice actor and then post it everywhere else claiming it's true. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 00:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Also Nash couldn't of voiced Totodile because he died 22 years ago. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 02:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Another good point. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Bill Rogers ==

Do you think Bill Rogers will voice Totodile? {{unsigned|Livinlarge18}}

== Incorrect credits ==

Voice Actors .com said that [[Rachael Lillis]] voiced Charmander it is not true someone should fix that and make it [[Michael Haighney]] and [[Bella Hudson]] did not voice [[Officer Jenny]] [[Jamie Davyous Owens]] did and also it said that [[Lisa Ortiz]] voiced [[Chikorita]] and its evolutions [[Mika Kanai]] did not Ortiz and I think Birnbaum does voice Bellsprout because if you listen really closely it sort of sounds like [[Jessie's Dustox]] {{unsigned|Livinlarge18}}

:Well, that's they're problem, not ours. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

===Gender===
Is Totodile a confirmed male? '''''DCM'''''

:As far as we know, yes. [[EP153|''Love, Totodile Style'']] had Totodile fall head over heels for a confirmed-female {{p|Azumarill}} who eventually shunned him for a {{p|Golduck}}. There was also the minor matter of a likely-female {{p|Quagsire}} at the end of the episode. This means that, unless it's a lesbian (which is highly unlikely, as the only confirmed non-straight in the anime is [[Harley]]), it's male. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::When was it confirmed that Harley is gay? [[User:Pokeman21|Pokeman21]] 15:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:::You are forgetting that we have strict regualtions for Ash's Pikachu even though Dawn's Buneary was consider female. It should be the same with all of his Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[Kayzie Rogers]] ==

Can anyone prove Rogers does the voice of Totodile he sounds nothing like any of her other voices [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 14:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, that user claiming to be Kayzie added a whole slew of roles that only Kayzie would have known. Plus, at the same time she was updating Bulbapedia, she updated Wikipedia with the same information, stating that she was indeed Kayzie. She also corrected some credits here, and confirmed that it was Jerry Lobozzo that played Dr. Quackenpoker. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 14:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
::Seriously? And {{u|Porygon-Z}} said "That was a gang-raped bitch-slapped piece of crap" on one of her edits that he undid. Hopefully she didn't see that. XD That could possibly look bad for us. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Considering she hasn't been here since April, I think she only came to correct her credits and leave. She said on her [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KayzieRogers Wikipedia User Page] that she's sick of all the rumors about her characters, so she decided to set the records straight. I've noticed Maddie Blaustein, Stuart Zagnit and Mike Pollock have also updated their Wikipedia credits as well (or at least people claiming to be them). --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 04:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, I know Maddie does (or did) go on BMGf from time to time... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, I think he meant her edit, which was a monster with NO LINK TEMPLATES *cries* '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sorry but unless Kayzie can send me a demo of her voicing Totodile I deny her credit [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 00:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

==Skull Bash?==

When did it use Skull Bash? [[User:Telme|Telme]] 00:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

:I can't think of the exact episode, but I'm fairly certain it did use Skull Bash at some point. It may have been during the Whirl Cup or the Johto League. I can't check right now, though, as I don't have my DVDs with me. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 06:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::It was in the Whirl Cup, but I don't remember the exact episode. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 19:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

==Isn't this article too short?==
I think it is, but I don't know what to add. There are some articles, like the Gym leader's Pokémon, which a quiet larger/longer. In my opininon we have to proof some episodes whether they inform us about Totodile or give ous information we can add. --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 10:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know. Totodile really didn't do anything of importance besides causing Ash and Misty to fight over it and falling in love with a few other Pokémon. Perhaps the race in [[Pokémon Heroes]] could be mentioned. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys i agree, so i added a bit to the article adding in a little more about his use as a comic release character, ex the dancing and also with his scary face move. i know there can be more so ill try hard to think of a little more to write. totodile is my favorite and i think ash's deserves more in it article. i hope what i added works :) {{unsigned|Src1200speed}}

== Slash ==

It used Slash, once, according to the Slash article.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 18:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeahhhh...... in [[Just Add Water]]!--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 18:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

ya it's true i just watched the episode and ash did tell totodile to use slash.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:Added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actually caught by Ash ==

shouldn't it be mentioned that it is unknown if Totodile was actually caught by Ash, considering him and Misty threw their pokeballs at him and didnt see who caught him. [[User:Djulienr|Djulienr]] 23:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

:Either way, Ash was given ownership by the battle held in that episode. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 07:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Known or unknown gender ==

Was Totodile's gender stated in the original and/or dub?{{tt|*|According to the seen stuff on the forums}} If not, how is Totodile a male other than the whole falling in love with female Pokémon thing? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 05:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:I am asking this because when I watched the episodes that Totodile appeared in, I don't remember anyone making any references to Totodile's gender. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

In an episode where Totodile saw a Quagsire Ash said "Well it looks like Totodile found '''himself''' a new '''girlfriend'''" which confirms Totodile's gender in the English dub. [[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995]] 18:21 GMT 30/11/2013
:That's not enough evidence by Bulbapedia standards; first of all, girlfriend is not indicative, since it assumes heterosexuality. (And before you say it, "it's a kids show, so they wouldn't put gay characters in it" is an assumption — an almost certainly accurate assumption, but an assumption nonetheless, so we can't go by it.) Secondly, the original series is extremely loose with "hims" and "hers" when the original Japanese version uses a gender-neutral pronoun, so casual usage like that isn't enough. It has to be something definitive — how it's affected by the move Attract, for instance. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

He a boy it's very easy to tell. The azumerial was female and toadile was getting help by Brock about romance so he a boy. Male it's very easy to tell. The way they act so male the gender male.
--[[User:Terryberry94|Terryberry94]] ([[User talk:Terryberry94|talk]]) 05:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[EP157]] ==

I recently watched the dub version, and Ash commanded Totodile to use Tackle, and it was seen using this attack. Is this a dubbing error? I'm not sure since it is not mentioned in the article anywhere and I have no access to the original version. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Ask me anything!]])'' 04:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

== poekmon ep 153 confirmed male ==

On the bottom of that episode That

Totodile is revealed to be male in the English dub. At the end of the episode Totodile is seen chasing a female Quagsire and Ash says, "Looks like Totodile found himself a new girlfriend." This is not the case in the original Japanese version.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Azurmeral was confirmed a female
Trixie said ''She'' in the end.
Listen carefully so her Golduck is male and Totodile is male.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:23, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Really this great most little kids our ages when we watch knew so we know as well this great.--[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Pink Ribbion helps out like Charizard is male because Charla is female. --[[User:SilverioFlame|SilverioBOMB ]] ([[User talk:SilverioFlame|talk]]) 07:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Adding to the debate of Totodile's Gender ==

As much as I hate adding oil to fire, since Brock gave Totodile romantic advice, does that lend credibility to the Big Jaw Pokemon's Gender?

Talk:Pichu (Pokémon)

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== Surfing Pichu ==

If the Pichu from Pokémon Box (the one with surf) evolves into Pikachu, and it is bred with Marill with Surf, will the resulting Pichu have Volt Tackle if Pikachu has a Lightball? '''[[User:Optimus35|Op]][[User:Optimus35/MS|timus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Gallade (Pokémon)|Can you see this?]] 03:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hm... it should in Emerald. Will the baby have Surf, though? No. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::So there is only one way to get a Pichu with Surf '''and''' Volt Tackle? '''[[User:Optimus35|Op]][[User:Optimus35/MS|timus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Gallade (Pokémon)|Can you see this?]] 09:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

== ThunderPunch ==

ThunderPunch is STAB for Pichu, isn't it? [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 13:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:That's right. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::Why would it not be? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
== I know what your gona say..==
BUT can pichu come form degu? I know it doses not like it but if you say it
they shand the same. its a me ...[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 20:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, I'm not sure anyone will understand that. I realize you're dyslexic, but there are things like spellcheckers even if you have a disability.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::I would think that any connection is tentative at best. The name "degu" may end with a "U" but that doesn't mean that it's in any way related. Echidnas and echinoderms start with the same root (meaning spiky), but that doesn't make them related or named after one another. Heck, in actuality, there's a mythological Echidna whose name comes from the Greek word for viper. Way unrelated.
::I do admire the fact that you pay attention to caviomorphs like the degu. But capybaras kick more ass. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
you hear dee-gu and pee-cu so its not that they look the same you hear it.
anyway I was noteing it,not say it must be put the pichu page. sorry for makeing
you cross.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 17:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Get it over with ==

This page needs to be protected, otherwise in a couple of days the flood of edits will be ridiculous, which it's getting to be now. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 03:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

What big deal Pichu in 12th movie their no reason to make so many edits[[User:XD007DarkRayquaza|XD007DarkRayquaza]] 04:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Come on, everybody is excited over the new Notched-Ear Pichu, so just let people write some things about it.[[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 16:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== May I ask something? ==

Why are you calling it "Notched-ear Pichu"? That's not what it is. A notched-ear is an ear that has a cut in it. Kinda like the groove in the fin of a male Gible. That just looks like some extra hair is growing off of it. The term is incorrect. It should be called "Spiked-ear Pichu". --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:The Japanes Source, Bulbanews, and Serebii are all calling it Notch-eared. Perhaps it's ear was hit by an attack or something, if you can read Japanese, why not check out the site? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Have A Bad Feeling This Is Coming Up ==

I have been noticing a lot of fanart (custom sprites) like Mr. Mime with a broom. To me this is unacceptable for an encyclopedia. And it comes to my attention that with the Notched-Eared Pichu that I have a feeling someone is going to end up making a sprite for it. So please be aware if someone ends up making a sprite for this pichu and tell me if you do. We should not have such thing happen. This is an encyclopedia and this isnt the right place to be showing of skills at making custom sprites. So please be aware of this sprite and any other sprite someone makes. --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 23:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:That wouldn't go here anyway, it would go on the Notch-Eared Pichu's page. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Good point, sorry, i had actually just relized this before you said that. --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 23:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Hold on a second, the page is blocked so for now i''' HAVE''' to leave it here, sorry --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 23:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

:I agree. I could remove the custom sprites, but {{u|TTEchidna|some}} {{u|Tavisource|people}} wouldn't be too happy about that. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 23:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I know what you mean, that twosome arent always on the bright side of taking them away. But now i relize that the sprites do make the site look a little better. Before i was a member i thought those sprites were really kewl but for now lets not worry about them too much. --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 00:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

:The sprites merely to show off the unique qualities of a certain anime Pokémon. A Bulbasaur without a heart shape on its head is not [[May's Bulbasaur]]. A youthful looking Scyther is not [[Tracey's Scyther]]. That's my logic anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Really for now, unless they make a new policy lets just not worry about custom sprites. --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 00:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::Um...then why did you bring up this point in the first place? And um..the notched-ear pichu was made a long time ago...and uh...we do not have a mr. mime with a broom...we took it off months ago.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 08:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::OH...and another thing...first, kenji-girl is right about a bulbasaur without a heart not being may's bulbasaur. Second...many people has disagreed with these sprites and caused havoc, but eventually understood it's true meaning and apologized...I'm sure you will soon understand. Peace--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 08:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

At first I disagreed with the sprites but [[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] convinced me otherwise --[[User:Landfish7|Landfish7]] 14:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Another Notched-Ear Pichu Question ==
Are we sure that the notched-ear Pichu is female? It refers to it as a female multiple times on the page, and if it is can someone provide a link to where it says that?--[[User:XNovaXx|XNovaXx]] 00:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:Just check [[Get Fired up, Notched-ear Pichu!|this page]], and then the translations of the lyrics (which go about the notched ear pichu): "女のコなんだもん！ Onna no ko nandamon! Is a girl of course!" [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 20:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== 4th movie ==

Why do people say, that Pichu will make it's anime appearanse only in 12th movie? Pichu was shown in the opening of the 4th movie.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''
:Well go ahead and add it on. You're not forbidden to edit after all. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 09:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Notchie ==

Who can put [[Notched-ear Pichu]] in the sprite table? [[User:abcboy|Abcboy]]☆[[User talk:Abcboy|talk]] 10:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:{{u|TTEchidna}} most likely will. The [[Template:Sprite|template]] will need to be modified, and rather than break things (although it could be fun), I'll nominate the guy that built it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It is not yet skilled at storing electricity. It may send out a jolt if amused or startled.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Request 2 ==

I have noticed that {{p|Seedot}} and Pichu are the easiest [[Pokemon]] to capture in [[Pokemon Ranger]]. But I played the game and {{p|Magikarp}} has the same easinesst. Can anyone fix this? Please and thank you.--[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] 05:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Gen II sprites ==

I don't know anything about fixing sprites or anything, so I might be out of line here, but the Crystal regular sprite is still showing Pichu's tail horizontal after it bobs down to the vertical, so it looks like a black T. Also, in its regular Gen II backsprite, the small patch enclosed by its tail and its body isn't transparent. I don't know who's meant to fix those kinds of things, and it isn't me, but I just thought I'd point that out. ~[[User:Oz|Oz]]

== Trivia ==

"Pichu is the only Pokémon with a base stat total of 205 that is not based on a cocoon." - Am I the only one who finds this trivia bit ridiculous? We have really too much ridiculous and unneccessary trivia bits on our Pedia. I think it's time to cut them out. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Umm.. ==

Innocent curiosity. How come there is no Gen. IV art for Pichu up? --[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 22:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Any Johto Pokémon that had Gen III art did not receive an art upgrade. That goes for Espeon, Umbreon, Togepi, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Elekid, etc. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::That's Blasphemy right there, pure and simple.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 22:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Wi-Fi Trivia ==
The Wi-Fi eventfor pichu is available in America too, not just Europe. Should this be fixed? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 21:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia Omission ==
The sixth trivia bullet mentions its Gen II back sprite showing its whole body, and that it "shares this trait with Togepi." It does not mention that Ditto's entire body is shown in its Gen II sprite as well (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Spr_b_g2_132.png). {{unsigned|IWannaBeTheVeryBest}}
:Then I guess we should add that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
::Quilfish's too. (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0f/Spr_b_g2_211.png) Should this be mentioned in the Trivias of all of these Pokémon (Pichu, Togepi, Ditto, Quilfish)? {{unsigned|IWannaBeTheVeryBest}}
:::I think that we probably have too many now, and the whole lot can be removed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Four is too many? I dunno... If it were something like ten or fifteen, then maybe, but only four? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Maybe four is OK, but five would be too many. Take into account that this is also excluding {{type|Flying}} Pokémon and {{a|Levitate|levitating}} Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'm doing a sprite project (url=http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/blog.php?u=43658), so I'll be looking at every single one. If I find more, I'll list them here and someone can decide whether to list them or not. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWannaBeTheVeryBest]] 00:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:I went ahead and looked at em all anyway, but they're all questionable. We can technically see all of what we've ever seen of Diglett, I've never seen Shellder or Horsea floating, Ledyba ''can'' fly but is not doing so in this sprite, and Cleffa, Igglybuff, and Sunkern are missing just a sliver of their bottoms. That is all of them.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a2/Spr_b_g2_050.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6b/Spr_b_g2_090.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/40/Spr_b_g2_116.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f8/Spr_b_g2_165.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/ca/Spr_b_g2_173.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/dc/Spr_b_g2_174.png http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a6/Spr_b_g2_191.png {{unsigned|IWannaBeTheVeryBest}}
::Due to this, I say there are too many and we just remove the trivia. Besides, it's sprite trivia which is supposed to be prohibited. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== What the heck. ==

"Art by Ken Sugimori from FireRed and LeafGreen". wut? For Generation II Pokémon? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 18:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:Some of the Gen II Pokémon had their art redone for FRLG, along with the Gen I Pokémon. Those Pokémon (mostly) then didn't get redone art in generation IV. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

== "Pichu is the only Generation II Pokémon to be playable in the Super Smash Bros. series, though many others appear from Poké Balls." ==

So what? Can't the same thing be said in regards to Lucario & Greninja for gens 4 and 6? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
:"This trivia is notable, it's been a while since melee whereas Brawl and 4 are recent making Lucario/Greninja unnotable," is what the history says. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*checks history*</nowiki> .... I asked this twice?! Ughhhh, what is wrong with me? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

==Spiky-eared Pichu==
Why is the Spiky-eared Pichu on the infobox? It already has its own page. It's a rare variant which only exist in the HG/SS games. It appeared in movies, but yet anime/movie variant aren't featured on other infobox (cloned pokemon, Orange Island variants, pink pokemon, etc.). [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 11:04, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:All in-game forms of Pokemon are listed in their species' infobox, including both Spiky-eared Pichu and Cosplay Pikachu. It doesn't matter if those forms have appeared in all games or only one; if they exist in a [[core series]] game, they are listed in the infobox. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:19, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== regional number ==

According to [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon/common/images/collect/160701_01/img_08.png this image] found on the official japanese Pokémon website, Pichu's (regional?) number is 24. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:We don't know how that works. Alola's regional dex appears to be similar to Kalos's. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
::So we're waiting for the game to actually come out before adding anything related to Pokédex numbers? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 20:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
:::If that's what it takes to know this stuff, yes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:04, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

== Being Specific ==

If I remember correctly, the NPC in New Bark Town revealed that Professor Elm discovered Pichu was Pikachu's Pre Evolved Form, not Pichu's existence.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Kiawe's Turtonator

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== Unknown Fire-type Move ==

Is it worth mentioning that since Kiawe's Turtonator can use {{m|Inferno Overdrive}}, it means that it currently knows a Fire-type move? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 16:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Shell Trap?? ==

"If something touches the spines on Turtonator's shell, they'll blow up"

-Kiawe

--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 02:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Umbreon (Pokémon)

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Talk:Alain

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==Mega Evolution victory achievement==

As his goal is to defeat all Mega Evolved Pokémon, should we create a section to record this process?--[[User:Magicknight94|Magicknight94]] ([[User talk:Magicknight94|talk]]) 15:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

== Protagonist ==
Isn't Alain more of a Protagonist instead of a supporting character, since he is the main character in the Mega Evolution specials. [[User: Danny199|Danny199]] 12:22 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Other Pokemon? ==

During his Debut Alain calls Mega Charizard his strongest Pokemon. Does that imply it's not his only Pokemon?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 00:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

==Appearance in M17==
Does Alain really appear in the seventeenth movie? I didn't see him, although I could have just missed it. (I did see the Mega Charizard though.) [[User:Lintana|Lintana]] ([[User talk:Lintana|talk]]) 23:35, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

== Blastoise & Ludicolo ==

It is seem in the battle against Trevor that Alan has a Blastoise and a Ludicolo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 12:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I believe that is an error. Blaistoise and Ludicolo are Tierno's Pokémon. [[User:Mygs|Mygs]] ([[User talk:Mygs|talk]]) 13:03, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

It was Indeed an Error, Alan other Pokémon is Weaville, Tyranitar, Unfeazant(male) and Bisharp.[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

== Weavile's Gender? ==

Because Weavile's Gender can be identified by its appearance, a feature introduced in its Debut Games, does that tell us the Gender of Alain's Weavile? Or any for that matter?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 13:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:XY024

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==Image==
The non-HD image for this article has been revealed. How can it be placed on this article? (It has already been uploaded.) [[User:?8|???]][[User talk:?8|???]] 18:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:It has to be uploaded over [[a:File:XY024.png]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::The low quality is already on the page, unless that's not what you meant. Looking at the history, the image is the same one I uploaded a few days ago, so it appears that nothing has been uploaded.'''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 18:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

== Picture ==

There's a better picture [http://imglogs.com/c/337429 here]. Also, a link explaining that it was canceled due to the Korean ship that sunk recently would be nice. [[User:Dada|Dada]] ([[User talk:Dada|talk]]) 15:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
:We probably shouldn't just steal that website's pictures. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 15:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
::We don't have any confirmation that the Korean ship accident is the reason that this episode was postponed. We shouldn't add anything about that until it's official. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Did we ever get official confirmation that the BW episodes were banned due to the earthquake, or is it just something we knew? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 07:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::::It's not "that website's" picture, it's an image uploader website. [[User:Dada|Dada]] ([[User talk:Dada|talk]]) 12:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::We should add that—although no reason was explicitly specified—the cancelation occurred directly after a large incident in which a ship sank and about 200 people drowned, for an episode that was about exploring an underwater ship. It was never specified why it was canceled, but...yeah. That's the reason. I can't see any reason for why we can't add the obvious link between the two. This website is not limited to just "things GF/Pokémon/Nintendo says". [[User:Dada|Dada]] ([[User talk:Dada|talk]]) 12:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::It may be obvious why it was cancelled, but a staff member said we shouldn't. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 13:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Even so, it contradicts what we did back then for the Team Plasma two-parter. Both them and this have been officially stated to be postponed just due to the circumstances. The Whiscash episode page states that it was postponed because of the Niigata earthquakes without providing any official statement as well. I thing we should mention the Korean accident somewhere. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 19:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::We have a source for the fact that it was due to the sinking of that ship now, but um, I just wanted to add that just because Pokemaster97 is a staff member doesn't mean he's always right on everything. Bye [[User:Dada|Dada]] ([[User talk:Dada|talk]]) 11:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

== Can this page be redirected to 'XY024 (unaired)' out of respect, please? ==

Just asking... '''''~~[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]~~''''' 16:00, 21 April, 2014 (UTC)
:I'd like to discuss with {{u|Kenji-girl}} and the other staff before making any final decisions about what to do with the naming of the article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
::Pokémaster97 is right, we can't just start moving pages around at random as it will cause more problems later. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Okay, take your time. '''''~~[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]~~''''' 17:19, 21 April, 2014 (UTC)

== Germany ==

http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/june19apihd8jl26.png --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 13:05, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
:You make the assumption that episode 24 doesn't refer to [[XY025]]. Since the episode has been skipped, I would expect the numbering to be adjusted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

== When is this episode going to air? ==

Is this episode gonna air anytime soon, or can we go ahead and mark this episode as "cancelled"? I can't shake the feeling that they will eventually retcon this episode out of continuity like what they did with the [[BW023 (unaired)|Team Rocket Vs.]] [[BW024 (unaired)|Team Plasma special]] from the ''Best Wishes'' saga. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 05:19, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
:Note that [[BW037|another episode]] affected by the same disaster was later aired a couple month later. There is no reason to say that they have cancelled it. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 05:54, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
::While it was initially listed on [http://i.imgur.com/KRYNeTe.png?1 Turner], [http://i.imgur.com/dAErpWi.png?1 Zap] and [http://i.imgur.com/rFwoMrg.png?1 Msn Tv], the episode title was later replaced with XY025's, hinting at the postponement of the episode. Will it ever air / has it been cancelled? We don't know for sure. CITV is also skipping the episode. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 11:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

== Article title ==

This is no longer episode 24 of the XY series. It is either never going to air (like [[BW023 (unaired)]]), aired in a different place in the series (like [[BW037]]), or air as a special (like [[Holiday Hi-Jynx]]). In none of these cases is it appropriate to call this episode XY024. My personal preference is to just move it to the episode title, since we have the English title; however, I would be open to moving it to {{redlink|XY024 (unaired)}} as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:I second this notion, based on the current re-numbering that they did with the remaining episodes and that if it does air it will be a special or a different number later on. [[User:G50|''ㄱ'']][[User talk:G50|''쉰'']] G50 12:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::I'm not against this page being moved, but it seems that the episode has already [https://twitter.com/Secret_No89/status/499523341326102529/photo/1 aired in Korea]. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 13:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Correct. But there's nothing know regarding the placement at this point. It could remain as XY024, but it could also be retconned in the current stream of episodes like what happened to [[BW037]]. I think it's best to keep this page at its current position at the moment, and as soon as we know more, we can act accordingly. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 15:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah Chao, I noticed that shortly after posting this. I think it would be ideal to sort that situation out first. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::I don't know if anyone heard, but this episode '''has been aired''' in South Korea. I think the title should still be ''XY034''. {{bulbanews|Postponed Pokémon XY series episode makes airing debut in South Korea}} --[[User:Rikeo|リック]] [[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|EO]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|Open for discussion]]) 07:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::We're aware of that. Since it aired after XY023, I think it's safe to say it's still XY024... but perhaps it's better to wait for more proof it's actually still in the same spot it originally was. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 09:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::All this time I was very convinced in that it was a preety bad idea and odd move to keep this as XY024, considering what happened for BW037. However, since this aired in South Korea, I completely changed my opinion. Now I agree in that we should keep it as XY024 for now, '''as long''' as we assume that we're ''definetly'' going to reorder '''all''' of the following episodes if there's a need to do so, even if there's 100 of them. I suggest that a reordering should be done only if this episode airs retconed in Japan, much like [[BW037]] did. If that's the case, then we would have two versions of the episode known, so the original "XY024" version from Korea should be mentioned in the new, retconed "XYxxx" episode article. I hope I'm being clear enough... If the XY series ends and this episode remains unaired outside of Korea, I suggest we should treat it like [[AG101 (unaired)]], and move it to "An Undersea Place to Call Home!", treating it as an episode that's only canon in Korea. Long story short, I believe the fate of this article depends on its airing in Japan. But since we still don't know about said airing, it depends on the Korean airing (and thus, it stays as XY024) ''for now only''. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 20:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::If South Korea aired this episode, I don't see why Japan would keep it banned. I say we should wait and see how Japan treats the episode before we start moving things around. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Agreed, it's much to early to be moving things around when there's a risk that we'll just have to re-move it all over again later. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 01:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

== Filler?? ==

So was this episode a filler?? I'm guessing it is due to there being nothing in the important events section but I just want to make sure...[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 01:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

:Well of course the section is blank: we don't know what happens in the episode because nobody's seen it. Though I'd say it's safe to assume this was a filler episode considering there seem to be no unexplained changes in the episodes following it. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 23:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well when I made that post I was under the impression that it had aired in Korea which is why I asked.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 00:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

== So, wait... ==

Why are we now doubting whether it actually aired in South Korea? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

:To quote the edit summary: "Dogasu said it perfectly, are we seriously going to take the word of a singe Korean Twitter user as official? Those images could have been easily doctored. So to please everyone, I edited it so it was unconfirmed officially." Personally, if the images in the episode match the images on the account, then I would say that it is evidence that it did somehow air in South Korea. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

== Renumbering ==
Since we still can't confirm the South Korean airing and the Japanese airing is now confirmed, I think we need to move this episode and renumber the rest. {{unsigned|The Great Butler}}

:WAAIIIT!!!
# Please remember to sign your comments.
# We will need to ask someone that's an admin or higher before we do any renumbering. --[[User:Rikeo|リック]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|EO]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|My message board]]) 02:41, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::Bumping. I would like to wait until after airing to make sure it's officially retconned like BW037 was. And if it is, and someone can confirm it quickly, then the move can happen. Pretty sure it will be but I want to be safe. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
:::So it's been over a month since the airing, i'm going to assume that since it hasn't been moved no major changes were made to the episode and we don't need to renumber it? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 10:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== XY024 ==
I think this episode won't air in the international version at all. Japan and Thailand aired this episode now, but the dub won't show it due to it being banned, it makes me so mad right now. What should we do? Pikachu65 09:35, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

== Re-Number This Episode To XY051 Already! ==

It's been confirmed that XY024 will be airing after XY050 in English Dub, which was the same order it was aired in Japan. The exact same thing happened with the now BW037, so I think it's time someone finally re-numbered the episode. There's no more excuses. This episode IS essentially XY051. Keeping it XY024 will only confuse the readers. {{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
: And the fact that Fletchinder has magically devolved back into Fletchling wouldn't confuse people? BW037 was different since it retconned its continuity errors so it fit within the timeline, this didn't and I still think it shouldn't be moved to xy051 just because it's been aired after xy050. Continuity > Airdate ps: Sign your comments [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::It is not the exact same thing that happened with BW037. As Azure42 said above, they edited that episode to fit the timeline. That is not the case here, since the episode had no edits (besides opening and ending). The summary still says: "''Prior to Ash's Cyllage City Gym Battle, the gang has an aquatic adventure on the Muraille Coast with undersea Pokémon.''" Therefore, I don't have a problem if it is left as XY024. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 03:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:::This is similar to the Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out. Both aired later than usual, but are not retconned. Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out had been airing no tv, released on dvd and yet still does not received any episode code on the wiki (either out of order or their original order). why is this episode so different then? the wiki should come out with a solution for all three of these episodes IMO. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 01:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
:::On another note, Princess vs Princess and The Purr-fect Hero both received episode code in their new order rather than the original order since that is the way they are arranged in the anime rerun and dvds and yet Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out does not. This episode had not been released on dvd or had a rerun on japanese tv yet, so we still don't know the new order for this episode -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 01:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
::::This episode just had a rerun [https://twitter.com/karubiimunomono/status/632680800526295041 this month] on [[Pokémon Get☆TV]]. The [https://twitter.com/karubiimunomono/status/630143973059747840 previous one] was the [[XY023|Amaurus episode]], while the [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/variety/ next one] is the [[XY025|Cyllage Gym episode]]. Going by that, they are sticking to the original order. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 02:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== Significance? ==

Forgive my ignorance but, why did the sinking of the South Korean Ferry effect when this episode aired?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 00:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Remo

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== Nickname? ==

Louie doesn't appear to refer to his Garchomp as "''Gaburias''". Rather, he seems to use the name "''Gabunoji''" or something to that effect. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 00:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

Was there any actual source calling him "Louie" in the Japanese version, or did someone just interpret "Rui" into "Louie"? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 04:07, 6/1/2014 (UTC)

:I haven't seen any sources, but 'Louie' is technically correct. The name ルイ can be rendered as ''Rui'', ''Ruy'', ''Louie'', or ''Louis''. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 05:37, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== Six Pokemon? ==

Since the Semifinal Round he'll battle Alain in is a Full Battle. Should it be listed that Remo has at least Six Pokemon? --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 19:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah but not yet. The episode where this semi-final takes place hasn't aired yet and we only add such information after an episode has aired. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 19:04, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

== Blast Burn?! ==

Garchoo wasn't defeated by Blast Burn, but his information says he was. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:XY127

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== Error. ==

When Garchoo is sent out he's missing the cut in his fin.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 23:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:XY082

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==Gourgeist Festival==
Just wanted to say that I'll be working on creating the page for it. Also, didn't a similar event between Jessie and her pokemon happen in the Princess Festival (trading to get stronger Pokemon, not evolution like with Gourgeist but still)? --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 18:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:Not really, since that involved Jessie capturing a Pokémon as opposed to trading and/or evolving one. Plus, wasn't that more of a competition? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 22:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

== Gourgeist's Moves ==

Did Gourgeist really used Leech Seed? Because I saw multiple seeds and I thought it look like Bullet Seed and I don't see any vines coming out after the attack and there was a explosion as well.--[[User:JasonL|Jay 21]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 20:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:Jessie said Leech Seed and never said Bullet Seed. Plus look at the animation of the move and compare it to Pumpkaboo using Leech Seed and Scottie's Treecko using Bullet Seed. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 03:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Not Jessie's Gourgeist I'm talking about because I already know she stick with Leech Seed and I saw the animation of the move. I meant Count Pump's Bulter's Gourgeist.--[[User:JasonL|Jay 21]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 13:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
:That animation also fits Leech Seed. Even though no vines came out of them, it doesn't mean that it wasn't. I mean, we probably couldn't see the vines coming out of them when they hit the ground because of the dust that covered the area around the ground. So, yes, I'm sure that it's Leech Seed. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

== The title ==

Should the title have a exclaimion mark (!) for A Festival Farewell? I seen it on the title screen.--[[User:JasonL|Jay 21]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 12:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:Neutral - Jessie said, "A Festival Farewell?," however the title card says, "A Festival Farewell!" I think we should go with how the title card presents it onscreen, as the question mark came completely from the narration, while there are other episodes with errors in their title card. (e.g. [[EP064]]) - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]''' 13:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::Along with its [[EP065|subsequent episode]] and [[BW038]] (where it doesn't have the e-acute, which is fixed in the Netflix and DVD releases). - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]''' 14:06, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I have to disagree. Basically every site that I've seen mention this episode title on has used the question mark. Plus, I think we should go with how Jessie said it compared to the punctuation on the screen. A typo is a much easier mistake then mistaking an exclamation for a question. Plus, there have been spelling mistakes in the title cards before. So I think we should just leave it as it is. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 16:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I agree with what Playerking95 just said. Since there have been mistakes in the title card in the past, what we see in the title card isn't really important. We don't call [[EP018]]'s dub title "Beauty and '''T'''he Beach," even though the capital T is in the title card, instead "Beauty and '''t'''he Beach." More importantly, Bulbapedia names "Who gets to keep Togepi?" (which is the title card name) "Who Gets to Keep Togepi?." In this case, we're trusting the narration and what many sources tell us the name is. Should we call "Who Gets to Keep Togepi?" "Who gets to keep Togepi?" No, because the title card isn't really important, and many sources may give us the name in capitals, so the lowercasing was only for the title card. In [[EP052]]'s dub title card, "Princess vs. Princess" is {{tt|uppercase|PRINCESS VS. PRINCESS}}. Should we change "Princess vs. Princess" to "PRINCESS VS. PRINCESS?" Then, I don't see how the title card having an exclamation mark instead of the question mark really matters. - '''[[User:PokémonGamer|Pokémon]][[User talk:PokémonGamer|Gamer]]''' 19:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

== Error?? ==

Jessie appeared to be unaware that Mawile could Mega Evolve, despite battling Mable's Mega Mawile in an earlier episode.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 01:02, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..."
I checked a few of my manuals:
* English Red: refers to him as "rival"
* English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
* Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
* Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"

So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta

Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

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Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Blue's Charizard ==

Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)

Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2

Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== A few things ==

The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).

:Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Same here. It's just going to be a bitch to change. But, I'll go about it, piece by piece, and I'm sure other people will too. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll help you out. That's a lot of Trainers to change. =) [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Champion==

This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
:I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III Champion sprite ==

Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20070718010538/tohjofalls.atspace.com/poke/dump-red.txt] [http://www.freewebs.com/tohjofalls/crysdump.txt] [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Awesome, thanks! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Brown? ==

His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Page size ==

Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea For the Size ==

<ab>I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:

Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen

Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes.</ab> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a ''main article'' link for the other three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like <nowiki>{{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}</nowiki>. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. [[User:GreenGyarados|GreenGyarados]]

===RBG section prototype===
Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.

The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, and {{p|Charmander}}. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.

Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, [[Daisy]], not to give Red a [[Town Map]] (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).

...

It isn't until they meet up again in [[Lavender Town]]'s [[Pokémon Tower]] that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose ({{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, and {{p|Growlithe}} for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.

...

After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.

:Not really sure whether to focus on plot or gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::I like it, but I've added a tiny bit to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Version-specific nomenclature ==

Based on the default names in ''FireRed'' and ''LeafGreen'', should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his ''FR''/''LG'' battles) carry "Green" in place?
Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize ''G''/''S''/''C'' use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable [[GSDS]] to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was probably because nothing had Blue in Japan. Or something. Who knows. Yellow came out there when RB came here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== So about calling him "Green" ==

Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's ''always'' been Green there) this is moving to {{ga|Green}}. Same goes for [[Janine]] if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yay!!!! --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:In the trivia, it should be noted that he's the only gym leader with a generic color name. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:So do it. Although, I’m not really sure that’s important... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Separating the article ==

As they said, this article is too long.
Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page.
Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)"
And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)"
--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. {{unsigned|MasterKenobi}}
::Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Generation I parties}} and the Stadium lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties}} for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
:::Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Good job seperating Generation I/II's Pokémon. When HGSS comes, the page will be long again.
::::How about this? List of Pokémon, all put as "show" then open the "show" is the sprites, another "show" will be the Pokémon used? It is confusing??? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== about his sprites... ==

In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different sprites. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. One sprite for early battles, one for later battles and one for the Pokémon League battle. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shouldn't his name be Green? ==

Well, the reason why we seem to call him Blue is because of the US Pokemon Red & ''Blue'' versions of course. That's probably because in Pokemon Red, the default name for your rival is Blue, and that's his name in G/S/C.

But were in Gen IV now, so shouldn't his name be Green? Since LeafGreen version was ''not'' renamed WaterBlue or something in the US, and according to FireRed version, the default name for your rival is Green.

Also, wtf is the female player of FR/LG being called Leaf? And since when was the HG/SS named Soul? And since when was the D/P/Pt rival named Pearl? I already know the answer: they never had those names :/. --Chaos Rush 00:38:19 (UTC)
:At the moment we are waiting for HGSS, where Blue/Green will be an NPC, rather than a rival, to see what his name is. Until then it was decided above that he will be Blue, as that was his only NPC appearance where the player does not name him.
:The female player character for FR/LG is called "Leaf", because that is what she is named if you cancel out of the naming screen without putting a name in the ''first'' version (i.e. Fire Red). Soul is currently called such based on Leaf (prefix of second version), but may change when HGSS comes out.
:Pearl is called such for the same reason as Leaf - that is what is given if you cancel out of the name entry screen in Diamond.
:Ask an admin for the official policy, but it appears to be that if they are never an NPC that is not named by the player, then they are named with whatever name it gives them if you enter a blank name - essentially the game's defaults. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:: That's not true. In FireRed, if you leave your name blank, it does ''not'' come out with Leaf. It comes out with a bunch of random names, such as "Suzi" and "June". Also in Diamond and Platinum, if you leave your rival's name blank, he automatically becomes Barry :/. Again, that's pretty much why I think that Leaf and Pearl are stupid fake names. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 04:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Uh, "Barry" is at the top of the list for {{ga|Pearl}}, not the autodefault for when leaving the name entry blank. Trust me, if Barry WERE the autodefault, it would have been reflected in the title a long time ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: That makes absolutely no sense. What you just said directly contradicts what the article itself says. The article for Pearl said that "Barry" is the autodefault for both Diamond and Platinum :/. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::...No. No, it doesn't.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 16:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Then explain this: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pearl_(game)#Optional_names_for_Pearl
:::::: OWNED. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Show me the word "default".--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Isn't that what you meant by default? :/ If that's not the case, tell me what you mean by default, and tell my why the article says "Barry" for Diamond and Platinum. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Look under the list, not in the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: Oh, I see. But to me it still doesn't make sense how if GameFreak have stopped naming their characters after version names in R/S/E and D/P/Pt, why would the Rival have a version name as his name? And what's with favoring Diamond version over Pearl O_o... And judging by the way "Leaf" was named, then wouldn't that mean that "Pearl" would be Cedric according to in-game hidden data? Illogical of course. We might as well rename the Leaf article, "Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi" since those are the defaults, right? That's why it makes no sense, if Leaf is to be named after hidden data, than it would be logical to name the D/P/Pt rival after his hidden data, "Cedric", and yet you guys name him from the default name, while Leaf doesn't get a default name. So why does Leaf get to use her hidden data, while Pearl uses his default?[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(/resets indent)This is Blue's talkpage. Don't complain about Leaf or Pearl here.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

: And of course somebody thinks of an excuse to abruptly end the argument once the evidence/logic is shoved in their face. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::(reset) This is probably due to Pearl actually having a pre-set default, while Leaf doesn't. The internal coding is Leaf's fallback, one Pearl doesn't need. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, I ''will'' keep on arguing once this is brought to the proper location.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, shouldn't he just be referred to as Rival (R/G/B), instead? Same for all of the other Rivals. I don't think anyone will agree with me, but it's more official... -[[User:ConfuseRayMisdreavus|ConfuseRayMisdreavus]] 19:03 1/16/10,
== Trivia is Shorter ==

I made the trivia a bit shorter, and I want to see if was OK with ya. So is it? (I saw the tag, so that's why.) --[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC) King and Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita.

== Template recolors? ==

Why were his GSC/HGSS templates recolored? I mean, all his other templates are perfectly OK, with the blue head color, current version border colors and stuff. May I ask why the color change? All of his templates are the that color scheme, so I'll change it back until anyone objects. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
:His colorscheme in the games is green in HGSS. It's Blue color for GSC because he was Blue then because of Red and Blue. In HGSS he gets LeafGreen color because he's gonna be Green because of FireRed and LeafGreen. Red's the same way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Except he isn’t. I reverted the color change that was made when we only had Serebii’s word for it, but now that the games are out, I’m reverting my revert. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== English name ==

After playing through HGSS, I'm thinking they'll be calling him Green in the English games. His room's green, his Gym's green (where all others have their typecolor)... though like Clair, his Gym has two colors... While Clair's had the colors of the Dragon type icon in FRLG, Blue's Gym is green on top... and blue around the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with you. The default name of Green is Green in FR/LG not blue, but since Bulbapedia is a dictatorship, and the higher ups says, "Well in FR/LG you can name him whatever you want, so Green isn't his official name". *Facepalm* [[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']][[Cool Trainer|''mon'']][[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::If it was a dictatorship, you'd be banned for saying that. ;)
::But anyways, it used to be Green before we revamped the whole site about a month ago. Soooooo... don't be saying crap like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh? RAHB, you're thinking of the {{adv|Blue|manga guy}}. This wasn't moved, it was always Blue, cuz that's his name in English GS. IF his English HGSS name will be Green, then we'll move him. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Really? I thought this was moved too... oh well. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::You got a point Hunter Blade. If it was a dictatorship I would've been banned. Okay, It's a monarchy, but anyway back on subject. The only reason his name was Blue in generation one was because of the lack of Green being released anywhere besides Japan. I bet the Japanese Bulbapedia doesn't have this problem. (I bet they are laughing at us). -[[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']]''mon''[[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::::::The only reason they'd laugh at us is because we have a canonical conundrum (actually, I'd think they'd rather feel sorry we're even in this situation) that won't be solved easily (why would the Japanese have this issue? It's not theirs). Which Japanese is the top canon, "Green" is not English canon (yet). You're reasoning he's "only Blue because..." verifies that, for the time being, ''yes'' he is Blue in English canon. That's top par. And if HGSS carries over the "Blue" issue, you people will still argue, "But he's Green over there!" But he's not Green here. And if HGSS does have Green, it ''will'' be changed, because that's apparently how it's done (why Jackson is [[Vincent]] despite being Jackson first).
::::::And yet, we've recently tucked in out pants to put the Special manga into its English roots. Which meant, yes, changing the Green character into Blue (as is English canon, despite the issue with their eye colors that makes) and vice versa. We support English canon for our frontyard (meaning it will always be the face of Bulbapedia: ''English language denotions'') and use Japanese canon to support what is needed to be supported (as it is true canon). But since names are changes from Japanese ones to English ones, proper names are not infallible, nor are taken as "correct" over the English ones. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:So much for that theory. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Location on where to get his PokeGear number and battle time ==

We are missing that. If we have a thing that tells what his team is during the rematch, we should have the time and place on where you can get his number and when you can battle him. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:From [[Daisy Oak]], actually. Her article implies it could be any time... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== last name ==

It appears that his sister's last name has been confirmed in the game. This implies that his last name is also Oak. Should this be moved? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support the move. But in which game was it confirmed? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::FRLG Fame Checker for Daisy. It's the Four Island entry. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>OK then. Support.</s> [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oppose. Who the hell would look for him under "Blue Oak"?? :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, {{u|Umeko}}'s right. Changing to oppose. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should it at least be noted? I don't think it should be moved, but it should be noted. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, at least let it be noted... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Another thing, Umeko, isn't that way redirects exist? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people that go to bulbapedia search Pokemon/pokemon instead of Pokémon, yet they are kept at that name due to it being official. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::This is the same bull we got into with May Birch/Brendan Birch. NO THANK YOU. Like {{adv|Blue}} is staying there, {{ga|Blue}} is. We're not moving him. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Should it be noted though? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Reset. Keep Blue where he is [at "Blue (game)"], set up a "Blue Oak" redirect, and in the article, set up the first sentence as "'''Blue Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキドグリーン''' ''Green Ōkido'')". No change necessary, tidbit is addressed. Things like that are done on Wikipedia all the time, when someone is known by a name, but their real name is longer, or different from what they go by. No harm, no foul. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Blue Oak goes to his manga counterpart, so should it become a disambiguation? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I say we leave the page title as-is, but call him "Blue Oak" in the opening sentence. Like we did in [[Sapphire (Adventures)]]. Also, yeah, I guess it should be a disambig since they ''do'' have the same name. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hair==
While Gary Oak in the anime clearly has brown hair, I guess people are overlooking the fact this character has hair just about the same color as Misty's. His hair is clearly not brown, it's orange, or at the least burnt orange, which is the color most natural redheads have in real life. Someone needs to change his information, please. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, it's brown.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

[http://yfrog.com/16heartgoldsoulsilverbluep] I disagree. Unless it has officially been called brown, which I doubt. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd call it auburn, actually.
:Tell me, did you join Bulbapedia just to bitch about hair colors? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
No, this isn't the first thing I've done since joining, and that's not the reason I joined. Why? did you join to "bitch" about new users? Also, you clearly don't know what auburn is, because auburn is a deep shade of red(the actual color) and brown. Guess I'm pretty good at bitching about hair colors though. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to know a more correct term, it would be burnt orange, the color many natural redheads have. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's about the same color as a light brown colored pencil. Crayola brand. In both the 12 and 24 pack. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think most people who have used colored pencils know they don't come out as dead on as the color's name. Also: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(colour)]

Compare him to Brock's game art, tell me how similar they are? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:There's a thing called shades. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, and his hair is clearly a shade of orange. And since you know about shades you should know most people with orange tones of hair have light brown tones along with them. Are you making a point? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::He is a fictional character no one cares. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then why are you here if you don't care? Also, why does his page even have a slot for his hair color if no one cares? Why does this site even exist if nobody cares about anything? Nice way to back yourself up. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Hehe... you're not helping yourself either, Getsuei. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're here to tell you to shut up and stop bitching about all the small details, so shut up and stop bitching about shit no one cares about. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

"Kinda orangish-brown with flecks of white in it, happy now?" So somebody edited his page to say this.
Okay? The fact just about everyone here has problems with me just because I wanted to get his details on his page right, even to this degree of flaming, is crazy. Nice way to run a wiki. It's not like I came here cursing at people. I really could care less if you are all so bent on going off on me for trying to get a minor detail fixed. I just thought if the site cared to list the information, it should pay attention to simple detail. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same sort of instance we went through with freaking Golbat. "no dude its blue i know because the pokeydex don't matter". That kind of bullcrap. Don't worry so damn much about Blue's hair. It's brown, a light shade of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's also brown in his battle sprites. —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The reason we care so much about it, is because ''you're'' the only one who disagrees in this conversation. THAT is why we're getting annoyed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
cough déjā vū cough--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 05:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Clearly it's not brown though. That's the whole point. I guess we should go to Misty's page and say it's just a bright shade of brown. And if it were stated somewhere his hair was brown, I wouldn't even try to change it. I'm not an idiot, I just happen to know something about redheads. Misty's hair looks pretty brown in her battle sprites too, does that mean her hair's brown. In artwork and in his profile it's orange, so because his battle sprites have slightly more brown hair you wanna call it brown. Quit avoiding the blatant fact he has a redhead tone of hair people. Also, if for example a room full of people told you Pikachu wasn't yellow, would that mean it was true? No, because it's obvious. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::What's funny about you comparing Misty and Blue, is that the dark parts of her hair are as dark as the light parts of his hair. It might not look like that until you compare them side by side, because the lighter colors of Misty's hair make the dark look darker. I know, because I mess around with colors all the time and sometimes confuse myself with them. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What are you getting at? Just because their shades of orange aren't the same color that means his hair isn't orange? What are you even saying? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You could say that Blue's hair in the artwork is bronze-coloured... It's not really orange, and it's not brown at the same time? —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You are saying that his hair is basically the same as hers. It's not. I agree, his does look a bit orange, but not if you compare it to Misty's. Then it looks brown. And for me, hers could pass off as an orangy light brown until compared to an actual light brown. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:The point is that people who are brunettes do not have orange in their hair naturally speaking. If you have orange in your hair you are a redhead. I'm a redhead, I know the facts about redheads. Burnt Orange, Orange Brown, whatever. The point is his hair isn't brown, it's clearly a shade of orange. Go to Princess Daisy's page on the mariowiki. You people probably think she's a brunette, but you're wrong. Her hair just happens to range in shades of dark and bright orange. Even stated by Nintendo her hair is orange. The point is you people are avoiding the fact that just because his hair isn't a blatant bright orange color, that he is not a brunette and his hair is not classifiable as brown. If you all really want to be so stubborn as to avoid something so obvious, fine. It's obvious if I could edit this page some moron would revert my edit anyway. Also, nice job responding to someone with flames when I didn't even act rude or "bitchy" in the first place. Now though, you people can decide on this situation for yourselves. Hope you base it on facts and not your uninformed opinions. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::You realize you just wrote a huge paragraph arguing over hair color right? Come on. Argue about something that actually matters. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought Princess Daisy's hair was brown. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 00:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia error ==

"Blue is one of only two NPCs who has been both a Gym Leader and a Champion. The other is Wallace (though Wallace was a Gym Leader before becoming Champion, and Blue does the reverse). Both of them were the eighth Gym Leader and Champion of a region introduced in an odd-numbered generation." This is wrong as Blue wasn't a gym leader until gen 2 an even numbered generation.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 07:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Refers to the region, not the character [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] 07:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Return ==

Given that Blue's Pokémon use Return in Generation IV, isn't it possible to calculate just how much his Pokémon love him?--[[User:Mongeese|Mongeese]] 22:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Probably not, at least not exactly, since damage calculation has a random component. But their friendship level should be somewhere in the game code directly... if anyone knows where to look. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== The use of Green? ==

Okay, we all know it's Blue in Generation IV by now. But his default name in FireRed is still his Japanese name, Green. Maybe the article should mention this in the FireRed / LeafGreen section? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Disambiguation error ==

Blue is not a game, he's a game character. The disambiguation, "game", makes no sense. --[[User:Bilge|Bilge]] 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:May is not an anime, she's an anime character. We don't need titles that are five miles long. "Blue (your jerkass rival from the Kanto games). Blue (game) is good enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::While it initially doesn't make sense when you're new(ish), the ''game'' refers to the fact that the article is about someone/something in the game continuity, the ''anime'' refers to someone/something in the anime continuity and so on. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Number of Pokes Trivia ==

There are 42, and I don't see why someone keeps changing it back. >:(

1. Bulbasaur
2. Charmander
3. Squirtle
4. Pidgey
5. Pidgeotto
6. Abra
7. Rattata
8. Ivysaur
9. Charmeleon
10. Wartortle
11. Kadabra
12. Raticate
13. Exeggcute
14. Growlithe
15. Gyarados
16. Pidgeot
17. Alakazam
18. Venusaur
19. Charizard
20. Blastoise
21. Rhyhorn
22. Rhydon
23. Exeggutor
24. Arcanine
25. Eevee
26. Spearow
27. Sandshrew
28. Fearow
29. Shellder
30. Vulpix
31. Magnemite
32. Sandslash
33. Vaporeon
34. Jolteon
35. Flareon
36. Cloyster
37. Magneton
38. Ninetales
39. Heracross
40. Tyranitar
41. Machamp
42. Rhyperior

I guess this person thinks he has a Magikarp that evolves into Gyarados or something like that, when it doesn't. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 01:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

==Manga==
Shouldn't Shigeru or Green be mentioned? The manga section only refers to Pokespe. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, if Blue has other counterparts feel free to add them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

"Blue is the only rival with a starter that could be weak to the players starter"

But doesn't the rival in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum become weak to the players starter if you choose Chimchar?

Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::Hate to jump in on an old conversation, but I noticed that Blue in Yellow is the only beginning rival (ie not Wally) with a starter that's never super effective against the player's starter. Vaporeon is weak to Pikachu (Doing half damage to Pikachu, while getting double damage done to it from Pikachu), Jolteon and Pikachu do half damage to each other, and Eevee/Flareon and Pikachu do base damage to each other. -[[User:Dresden213|Dresden213]] 22:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== Flareon's moveset. ==

I don't know why, but in Pokémon Yellow, Flareon is capable of using Reflect. When I used Omastar (or Omanyte) lvl ~42 to fight him with Water Gun Flareon doesn't attacked, just used Reflect every time. Also, recently when I attacked it with Thunder... it used Reflect. Does moveset varies or what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Alakazam's moveset ==

In Pokémon Yellow Version, Champion Blue's Alakazam knows the move Psychic. Swift or Kinesis must be wrong. Probably Swift, since Alakazam and its evolutionary relatives aren't capable of learning that move according to Bulbapedia. It might know Reflect as well. This also applies for this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_%28game%29/Yellow [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:From watching various YT videos, I confirmed {{m|Recover}}, {{m|Kinesis}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Psybeam}}. Looks like Swift was wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Claus? ==

In HGSS his official art looks a lot like the masked man from MOTHER 3 without his mask. I am not the only one who has noticed this. here is a mask-less Claus- http://www.flickr.com/photos/75005145@N00/3095867094/ sorry, that's the best I could find...{{unsigned|Ghost chimera}}
:No, not really. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset error ==

I recently battled him in Silph Co. and his Charizard used Smokescreen, Wing Attack, and Flamethrower.
Oh, and his Charmeleon used Smokescreen during the Pokémon Tower battle. [[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mention of scrapped music? ==

I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure if fake or not. But I found one of the battle music on youtube, and it mentioned it playing in B/W but it was scrapped. Is it true? If it is, isn't it worth a mention in the Trivia box? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
:I personally don't think it's notable. Not enough evidence it was truely scrapped or not. Also adding trivia is currently not allowed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
::It's in the games' code and it's unused, it's definitely not fake. The R/S version of the legendary beasts theme is mentioned in their article, even if it's only part of a trivum. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 00:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== "Blue will not battle the player until he or she has the other seven Kanto badges. " ==

Apparently not in Crystal, as I didn't defeated Blaine yet, but I could challenge Blue in Viridian Gym. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 18:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Possible change of font ==
Hey guys, not exactly sure how this site works or how to edit pages, but is there any chance of changing the colour of the "show" spoiler tags on Blue's team lists? Trying to see blue on blue doesn't exactly go too well, and people newer to the site than myself may not even realise they can open the lists out.
Same kinda goes for any other pages that Blue is featured on, such as the Viridian Gym page.
As I said, I'm new to the site and thought it better to write in here than to go straight ahead and edit the page itself.
[[User:SandShrewsbury|SandShrewsbury]] 12:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== FRLG Champion sprite trivia ==

This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Remove Kanto Elite Four Template. ==

Blue has been removed from this template because he is not one of the Elite Four. That template should be removed. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Six Island Quote ==

Article is locked, so I will paste it here for anyone to add it:

=====[[Six Island]]=====
:''"Hey, <player>! How's your [[Pokédex]] filling up? It looks like it's impossible to get all the Pokémon by hanging around just these parts. Maybe there are Pokémon we don't know about somewhere far away... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Well, if I can't do it, there's no way for you to get it done. I'm not going to get all desperate over this. I will keep collecting Pokémon at my own pace while I train them. That's what I'll do. So there's no point staying here. I may as well leave for home. That's that, then! Smell ya later!"'' [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 04:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== Age ==
can we do 10 in FR/LG and 13 in HGSS because they are set 3 years apart? and if so would this be applicable to red?
--[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 00:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:No. Besides, Red was 11 in RGBYFRLG. Blue's age was never released. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Thing ==

:Concerning the bit of trivia that mentions his Raticate being the only Rival Pokemon to be replaced, in May's optional second battle in Rustboro city in Pokemon Emerald, she has a Torkoal that's eventually replaced by a Slugma. Although, I don't know if this is an error considering the fact that Brendan's article states he has a Slugma in that battle. In either case, that trivia should be removed. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Azurillglow2mlw7|Azurill]][[User talk:Azurillglow2mlw7|glow2]][[User:Azurillglow2mlw7|mlw7]]''' 19:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

== Dead Raticate? ==

I keep coming across fan art, videos and other instances that say that in the original Red and Blue, The Rivals asks you if you know how it feels to have a Pokemon of yours die while in Lavendar town, and that this is why he doesn't have his Raticate anymore. I know the article's transcript of the conversaton betwen rival and player make no mention to this, but still there are so many people stating this and even claiming to remember it.

Its been to many years and my Red and Blue games were lost long ago...is there any truth to this...or could it be just some regional translation thing; like people in certain regions receive differently translated game text? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
:No. It is pure fan speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
:: Ah, oh thank you. Man this thing has spread like wild fire; it everywhere. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

== Blue- Gary Confusion ==

It has come to my concern that you have added Gary's battle's from "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition". You see, "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" is based off of "Pokemon│ Season 1: Indigo League", so in "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" you play as Ash Ketchum from Pallet Town, and your rival is Gary Oak, not Blue Oak. Now the story is more similar to "Pokemon Red Version" & "Pokemon Blue Version" but the anime wasn't that far in progress yet. The anime is just a more detailed version of the story is all. Same goes for the manga and the games. So I believed this should be fixed. {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}}
:The game characters =/= the anime characters, and though the game is based basically off of the anime, Red and Blue are not the same as Ash and Gary. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 15:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

::I know Red and Blue are not Ash and Gary, that's exactly my point. The games Red,Blue,Fire Red and Leaf Green you play as Red and your rival is Blue... but the game yellow is based off of the anime it is suppost to follow the events in the anime meaning you are ash not red {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}}
:::Based on =/= carbon copy. A lot of the things that happen in the anime don't happen in Yellow, and everything that happens in Red and Blue happens in Yellow. You still play as Red in Yellow. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Separating the articles out by character ==

I have an idea. Why not seperate out Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow as individual characters, just make it be that Red and Yellow are brothers who are rivals of Green and Blue Oak, who are also brothers. Basically, Red and Yellow happen and so do Green and Blue. LeafGreen... Leaf is just her own character. --[[User:DarthNightmaricus|DarthNightmaricus]] ([[User talk:DarthNightmaricus|talk]]) 22:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing you mean to treat all of those games as canon? Which isn't necessary since a) they're all pretty much the same storywise, with a few minor differences and b) what you're wanting to do is just fanon which isn't going to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 22:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

== Joining Team Rocket? ==

I can't remember where I saw this, and I kind of doubt it, but is it possible that Blue/Green/whatever we're calling him (as long as it's not Gary), joined Team Rocket? This is interesting to me because of Team Rocket disbanding in generation 1, Blue taking over the Viridian Gym in generation 2, the reappearance of Giovanni in generation 3, and Blue's reappearance in generation 4. I think they (Blue and Giovanni) both appear in generation 5, but, I'm not sure. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 19:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

:Any such discussion belongs on the forums, not the wiki. Nothing in the games suggests that Blue joined Team Rocket in any capacity, so to say so would be total speculation. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:: Didn't know that. I wasn't sure either, especially because it's more or less a rumor. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 17:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== Beta/Unused Dialogue in Red/Blue/Yellow - Trivia Worthy? ==

In RBY and FRLG, the Player can be defeated by Blue in the first two battles, in which he will say something; though in successive battles, the Player will just white out (well, on the optional Route 22 battle, he will say something, then the Player will white out). However, I have found unused dialogue for Blue in Red/Blue/Yellow text dumps. It appears that he would have said these quotes if he defeated the Player in the rival battles.

Battle 2 - Route 22 (Optional - note that this is different from his final dialogue for this battle)
:SONY: "What? Why do I have 2 POKéMON? You should catch some more too!"

Battle 3 - Cerulean City
:"Heh! You're no match for my genius!"

Battle 4 - S.S. Anne
:"NINTEN! What are you, seasick? You should shape up, pal!"

Battle 5 - Pokémon Tower
:SONY: "Well, look at all your wimpy POKéMON! Toughen them up a bit more!"

Battle 6 - Silph Co.
:SONY: "How can I put this? You're not good enough to play with us big boys!"

Battle 7 - Route 22
:SONY: "Hahaha! NINTEN! That's your best? You're nowhere near as good as me, pal! Go train some more! You loser!"

Battle 8 - Champion battle
:"Hahaha! I won, I won! I'm too good for you, NINTEN! You did well to even reach me, SONY, the POKéMON genius! Nice try, loser! Hahaha!"

Here is my source: [http://iimarck.us/dumps/]. This dialogue is found in the "dred.txt," dblue.txt," and "dyellow.txt" files... Just use Ctrl + F and search "Sony" to find the quotes.

Anyway, relating to Bulbapedia, is the beta/unused dialogue trivia-worthy? If not, should it at least be noted in the Trivia that he has unused dialogue? I haven't seen anything like this for other Pokémon characters. Also, I do not know if this exists in the Japanese RGBY, either as final or unused dialogue. [[User:BewitchedBlue|BewitchedBlue]] ([[User talk:BewitchedBlue|talk]]) 00:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:Personally, I think the information would be more suited to the [[Pokémon Red and Green beta]] article. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
::I think it would be good on the Pokémon Red and Green beta article too, but I also think it's notable trivia on the Blue page (just to mention he has unused victory strings). Additionally it [http://hax.iimarck.us/post/9892/#p9892 indeed exists] in Japanese Red/Green as well (I actually checked this back in February 2012), but I never checked Japanese Blue or Japanese Yellow. I don't see why it would not be there personally, since they're in English Yellow and Red/Blue are based on Japanese Blue, but we can never assume. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 22:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

== Oak? ==

I don't believe it's said anywhere in the English games that his surname is Oak. Is this from the Japanese version or is it a complete assumption? The name doesn't sound natural in either language and despite being Oak's grandson, he doesn't necessarily share the surname. I'd be interested in a source for this. {{unsigned|Five}}

== Continuity? ==

Black 2 and White 2 occur at the same time As X and Y, okay. Blue participates in the PWT in the former, but is stated to be studying in Kalos in the latter. How does that happen simultaneously??--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 21:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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== Basis ==

Well, no one Xes Y like Gaston. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

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== Basis ==

Well, no one Xes Y like Gaston. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

== Wrap ==

Since he used Wrap while transformed into Lickilicky, does that mean his Lickilicky knows Wrap?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 21:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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==The Meaning of Z==

Couldn't the Z also mean the end? Like when Akria Toriyama suggested that the 'anime sequal' to Dragon Ball be called Dragon Ball Z? PorygonZ should, by all counts, be the end of the Porygon Evolutionary line, seeing as it is the third stage, and no Pokémon currently have more than 3 stages.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 01:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, yeah I think it could mean that. But DragonBall Z had a sequel after that didn't it? It was DragonBall GT. But I don't think there will be another Evolution after that unless the Scientists that created it want it to be stronger... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 20:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
: Z looks vaguely like 2. It's possible that Z was chosen because of that, and the fact that Porygon-Z looks like a corrupted version of Porygon2. -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]]
:Maybe there will be an alternate, non-glitch-like evolution of Porygon2, called, of course, Porygon3. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]] 15:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I hope so. Call me crazy, but I kind feel bad that to fully evolve a Pokemon, I have to glitch it. When are they gonna release the official v3 patch?!

:::There could be a Porygon3, Silph Co. made Porygon2 to explore space, but it failed. Who said that Silph Co. didn't develop Porygon3 already and kept it under wraps? {{unsigned|Rouge2}}

Dragon Ball GT was made by a toy company that owned the rights to the franchise and wanted to milk it some more. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:Yep. DBGT wasn't created by Toriyama, he finished with the series at Z. It was another director who decided to continue the series. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 06:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I think they just called it Porygon-Z because Z lookes like an evolved 2. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 14:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pokedex entry ==

I was thinking that maybe I should edit the pokedex entry so that it makes more sense in English.
Something like this: "Although programs were added to make it surpass other pokemon, it began to behave strangely." sound good? [[User:Kabutops master|kabutops master]] 10:22 pm march 25, 2007
:Well, what's there now is pretty much just the translation of the Japanese one. With English DP out in four weeks, it'll be changed by then, but if you do now, it doesn't really matter, so long as you're doing so to improve its grammar. Just make sure to spell it "Pokémon". --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
==Glitch?==
How the heck is it a glitch???? it doesn't SEEM like a glitch compaired 2 other glitch pokémon does it????[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:No, it's not a glitch, You probably just read the text wrong. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
oh ok.[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yea, no worries. Many sentences could be read wrong. Blah~ [[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]] 14:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::It could kind of be considered an intentional glitch of Porygon2. Or it could just be an upgrade. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 15:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

"It is essentially a glitched Porygon2 with some minor differences. It could also be based loosely on MissingNo., the both of them being glitches." I saw THIS at the origin thing. does that mean anything???[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:What you said could mean that they Porygon-Z is literally a glitch like MissingNo., or it can mean that some Porygon-2 became glitched and evolved into Porygon-Z, and Porygon-Z came into being[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]] 15:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

i think whey should come out with a pre-evo for Porygon-Z(i mean not porygon2) that is also glitched sorta and a non-glitched evo for porygon2. of course called porygon3 for Porygon2's evo and perhaps porygon-X for Porygon-Z's pre evo.[[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Ukira''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''Grace''''']][[Special:Contributions/Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 14:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

== Togekiss? ==

"Porygon-Z is one of the two fully evolved three-stage Pokémon capable of legitimately being level 1 (Roserade being the other)"

If I'm not mistaken, Togepi can be found at Level 1. You can evolve it into Togetic then Togekiss without leveling up. Is this true, or does Togepi count as a baby Pokemon even though it is not a pre-evolution of a Gen I Pokemon? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 14:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No, because Togepi evolves by max happiness, which can't b achieved @ lvl 1--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes it can. If you hatch a Lv.1 Togepi and give it tons of vitamins and use a Rare Candy, it will have enough happiness to evolve into Togetic, and then you can use a Shiny Stone to get a Lv.2 Togekiss. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 15:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
::Exactly.Level 2 togekiss, not level 1.[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Your Friendly Neighborhood Cookie Monster]]

Though Porygon is the only one that can go through both of its evolutions at level 1, since Budew evolves through happiness like Togepi. --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 19:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, Budew only hatches from Roselia/Roserade eggs if you have the Rose Incense attached to the parent; if you don't have it attached, the egg hatches a Roselia and you can evolve it to a Roserade at Lv.1. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 20:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::But then it doesn't go through both evolutions, like I said.--[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 07:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, but it still gets to its final form. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 13:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Not sure how many people noticed this ==

Did anyone ever notice that Porygon2 looks like one of those Drinking birds with the mercury or liquid in them where they keep tilting up and down for water?

And now Porygon-Z has taken on a Hummingbird like posture. Also wasn't Porygon2 known for some strange anomolies like moving in ways not programed? Its been a long time since my Pokemon Stadium 2 has seen action but if i remember right Porygon2 moves a little hyperactive in the 3D 360 view in the pokédex. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

*Yeah, it was originally designed to explore space, but it failed and was made public.{{unsigned|Rouge2}}

== Porygon Z fits bodystyle 9 better then 4. ==

I changed the body type value to nine because Porygon-Z fits the body type better then 4. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:Don't do that, because that's predetermined data from the game. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 18:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::He's figured it out by now. Not to say it didn't take him a while... but he did figure it out. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Roserade ==
I really don't think Roserade should be noted in the trivia. Because, while you can have a level one Roserade, that's only if you hatch a Roselia, which skips the baby, meaning it only evolves once. If you start out with Budew, it has to be at least level two.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 14:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Still doesn't change the fact that you can legitimately get a Roserade at level 1.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 22:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==A question==

What is the note about the fact that Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon evolved from a Pokémon who evolves via trade doing at the top?
Shouldn't it be in the trivia section? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 14:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:I ''think'' so...--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 14:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm fully aware of the fact that articles have evolution details at the top of the page, but the fact about it being few that evolves from special evolutions belongs in trivia in my opinion. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, looks like this has been resolved. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Strange trivia I noticed ==

Porygon-Z is the only fourth-gen Pokemon that evolves from an older Pokemon that was not obtainable in either of the Gamecube games. Perhaps a bit specific for trivia, which is why I threw it in here instead of the page, just something I noticed. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 19:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== Stat Loss ==

I noticed that Porygon2 loses base stats in defense and special defense when it evolves. Should this be in the trivia? Also, where can i find a list of pokemon with base stat reduction upon evolution? I know Scizor is one, but i don't know any others. [[User:Mastergiygas11|Mastergiygas11]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, Scizor is the only Pokemon whose base stat total is lower than that of it previous evolution. However, PorygonZ has a base stat total of 535, while Porygon has a base stat total of only 395. There are many Pokémon who have at least one base stat decrease when they evolve, but Scizor is the only one who has an overall reduction in its base stats. I don't think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 20:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Dex Color ==

Why is PorygonZ's Dex Color red if there isn't a trace of red on it? It is irrefutably pink. Just look at the picture for Pokepark Wii. Hot pink. And the Mystery Dungeon picture is light pink. Is it at least worth mentioning the confusion? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 20:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:I think the color is debatable. Some people think it looks more pink than red, but obviously the creators classified it's dex color red probably meaning it's intended to be red. I don't really think it's worth mentioning because many Pokémon look diffrent in various media. Like Saturn's Toxicroak, who looks a diffrent color than the official art for it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Problem with Rain Dance ==

Not sure how to fix it, but the image for Rain Dance's TM is a Fraxure sprite. [[User:Inanimateblob|Inanimateblob]] ([[User talk:Inanimateblob|talk]]) 04:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:Looks fine to me. It's probably an issue with your cache. Try purging the cache (click on the UTC time at the top of any Bulbapedia page); I think that'll do it, but I don't know for sure (I'm not great with technical stuff like that). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Alien Dimensions ==

Porygon-Z's Pokédex entries state that it was made for work in alien dimensions. Take note that Porygon-Z is a Sinnoh region indigenous Pokémon, and of the mascot legendaries for the Sinnoh-based games,the Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum versions. Dialga and Palkia reside in this world, our native world, and Giratina resides in the Distortion World, an ALIEN WORLD.

Dialga and Palkia control time & space, respectively.
These consist of the four dimensions this world is made up of. It would therefore follow that the Distortion World, which is not part of this world, may consist of different dimensions. And since, as we have already established, the Distortion World is an ALIEN WORLD, that would make its dimensions ALIEN DIMENSIONS!

I rest my case.
-[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:55, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation is not allowed on Bulbapedia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== Stat Similarities ==

I noticed that Porygon-Z shares the same Defense and Special Defense stats as Porygon and the same HP and Attack stats as Porygon2 (essentially, only Speed and Special Attack increase along the evolutionary line). Is this valid trivia? [[User:ShermTank7272|ShermTank7272]] ([[User talk:ShermTank7272|talk]]) 19:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

== Chinese Names ==

Since up until the near future Pokemon have been given their Chinese names by the Anime, how do we know Porygon-Z's Chinese names?

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== Darkrai's Bad Dreams ==

It's peculiar that in [[M10|previous]] [[DP104|cases]] of a {{p|Darkrai}} appearing, its {{a|Bad Dreams}} [[Ability]] affected everyone (both people and Pokémon) who was {{status|asleep}}, but in this episode, Bad Dreams only affected {{AP|Pikachu}}, {{TP|Team Rocket|Meowth}}, and later {{TP|Clemont|Chespin}} and {{TP|Serena|Pancham}} despite {{Ash}} and [[Ash's friends|friends]], {{TP|Bonnie|Dedenne}}, [[Puni-chan]], and {{TRT}} being asleep as well. Is this worth mentioning in the trivia section that the Darkrai was only targeting several Pokémon who were asleep and not everyone who was? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 22:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

== Genders ==

Like we know Braixen is female and she has a female voice when she appeared as a Delphox, can we presume that froagadier, chespin, pancham and bunnelby are all male because of their voices ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 15:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
:No. Just because they sound male, doesn't mean they are male. They could very well be female with masculine voices.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters? ==

Is it possible that this episode drew inspiration from the first Pokemon Manga?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 12:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Pocket Monsters

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== Nude? ==

The controversy section makes little sense, on Clefairy's part. It appeared ''nude''? It's always nude. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:More nude that you would think. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 02:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Title ==

In wake of the Pokémon Adventures/Magical Pokémon Journey moves, should this be moved to "Pokémon Pocket Monsters" (the Chuang Yi title)? (and, likewise, Pocket Monsters RS/Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire. As far as I know PMDP hasn't been translated yet so that stays put no matter what.) [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
* I agree with you, should we have a vote?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 01:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Only Manga characters to appear in the anime? ==

There are two Manga based on the Anime, with Ash and everyone appearing in them. So....--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 12:23, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:XYS04

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== Rename ==

See [[Talk:SS029#Rename]] for discussion. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

== Venusaur's Venoshock ==

We're sure it's Venoshock? I mean, the attack was mentioned by name, there's no chance it was mistranslated? Because between the poisoning and the fact that it's purple instead of green, are we sure it's not Sludge or Sludge Bomb? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:58, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

::It was Venoshock. I saw the episode on the English subs. Attacks do have digital effects in this episodes/specials.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}
:::Don't take whatever the English subs used as source, since they're fan made (sure, the translator may legitimately know Japanese, but it's still fan made). If it was commanded, then it is the move and move animation can change between series.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

That's how they are. And I wasn't trying to use subs as source, I was making a point.--{{unsigned|JasonL}}

Is it noteworthy that from every indication, the writers of this episode mistook Venoshock for Toxic? What with the move's certain hitting to Poisoning the target.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 17:58, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== Ending was definitely not Mega Volt ==

So I just wrote something similar on the page for SS028, but this is a bit different. I was watching this episode live as it aired and Mega Volt was not played at all in the episode, so I'm not sure why it says that Mega Volt is the ending but I just wanted to bring up that it definitely wasn't. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 20:16, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:Is the OP/ED different on services like Hulu? Since the episode aired as a two-parter they probably cut the ED for the TV airing. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Striaton Gym

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== Gaido ==

I know it's not really important, but wouldn't the guide's name be Gaidō instead of Gaido?[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 07:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Butler Cafe Pic ==

I dont think that an anime picture should go in the games section. I think it should be moved. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 21:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== Tea ==

Grass - Herbs, Water - Water, Fire - Heat and the 3 own what is colloquially known as a café. Worth noting? [[User:Lostbluez|Lostbluez]] 20:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think that it would be acceptable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::I think it's worth adding, especially as someone in Shippou City actually says something along those lines to the player. ----[[User:Valkyria|Valkyria]] ''([[User talk:Valkyria|Talk]])'' 12:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== In-Game Picture ==

I can't get a picture of the full map but I can get an in-game pic from inside the gym. Would it be useful in the article? Or would it be better to just wait until a full map picture is added? ----[[User:Valkyria|Valkyria]] ''([[User talk:Valkyria|Talk]])'' 01:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Most Generation V locations don't have full maps due to the level of 3D in the games (yet). You should just add whatever image you can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, the black and white gide has the maps in it. [[User:Manomow|Manomow]] 03:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Type cycling ==

I suspect it will require some edits to [[Template:GymInfobox]] to work, but since the trend in the last few months has been to depreciate templates that switch over time, I think it would be best if this Gym's infobox was Normal-colored and listed "{{t|Grass}}, {{t|Fire}}, and {{t|Water}}" as its type instead of cycling between the three over time. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Dominant Type ==

I'm curious. I see that when I typed in Striaton Gym a few months ago, it said that the dominant type was Fire. Now, as I typed it in today, it says that the dominant type is Water. Did it ever say that the dominant type was Grass at one point? I mean, with triplets as Gym Leaders, I get the feeling for the three different types. Had I not began to grow up, I would've bought Generations III, IV, V, and even VI! I actually would've, too, but I didn't have much money. Anyway, does the dominant type have to do with their age? I mean, in the anime, Cilan isn't given a set age, but my guess is 15; so, would Water be the dominant type? The other reason I'm asking is based on the badge itself. At the top is blue, then green in the middle, and red at the bottom. Would it be safe to say that although they're triplets, Cress is the eldest, followed by Cilan and then Chili? {{unsigned|‎WATERWARRIOR67}}
:It is on a switch. So it will change between Fire, Water, and Grass.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

== Question ==

The judgement of which Gym Leader battles a challenger based on their Starter Pokemon's Type. This would only apply "Realistically" But what if a challenger's Starter, say someone who isn't from Nuvema Town, has a disadvantage against more than one or none of the three types?

Talk:Gym Leader/Archive 1

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==Japanese==
Is it necessary to have "Jimu Rīdā" in there when that's just the Japanese pronunciation of "Gym Leader" to begin with? --BJG

Of course it is. JAPANESE IS GOOD AND ENGLISH IS BAD. Jimu Riidaa is obviously a different phrase than Gym Leader, and NoA CHANGED IT AND BASTARDISED IT when they translated the games! Just like Kurisutaru and Crystal are also DIFFERENT WORDS and so are Reddo/Red, and so forth. --Ketsuban

Assuming you were kidding, Ketsuban, I changed the Japanese to "Gym Leader"... also I got rid of some of the info at the beginning that was already covered under [[Gym]] AND [[Badge]]. If anyone thought it was also necessary here, feel free to revert back. Also, regarding this page, do we need to have the USE of the Badge if that's already covered under [[Badge]]? Also, shouldn't all the Badges be linked to the Badge page? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 01:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with linking the badges to the Badge page. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 21:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought the [[Badge]] page was mostly there so that individual illustrations of each badge would have a place to go. - Zeta

== Leader name and badge change ==

i changed Wake and Candice's stuff because of this
http://usera.imagecave.com/NeoSeifer/SinnohGymLeaders.bmp.jpg 
--{{unsigned|DSDark}}

Not too surprised that they're calling him Wake. After all, his full Japanese name (Maximum Maxi) was shortened to just Maxi. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 14:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Jasmine comment ==
An NPC in the Lighthouse in G/S/C mentions that Jasmine used to train Rock-type Pokémon. Her badge's name (Mineral) also sounds a little like a Rock-type badge. Therefore, hasn't every region technically had a Rock-type gym at some point?--[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 22:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:Unless there is a source that gives some of the Olivine Gym's history, we don't know for sure if it was ever for Rock types. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
::NPCS confirm that Jasmine did used to train Rock types as a Gym leader. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, there's a bloke (I think he's a sailor) in the lighthouse. He says he returned from his travels to Olivine and was shocked to find that the Gym Leader had change the type she specialised in. Hope this helps. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia, Trivia, and MORE Trivia ==

So last night I was really bored and decided to see any patterns in the Gym Leaders, along with some awkward stuff too..

*There are *usually* 4 females, and 4 males, however [[Johto]] breaks this rule, with 3 girls and 5 males. Unless Bugsy is a girl.
*Hoenn, has 4 Special-typed gyms, and 4 Physical-typed gyms. Hell, the gender is split evenly along Special and Physical, with 2 females and 2 males specializing in Special-type, and vice versa. Otherwise, the amount of Special-based and Physical-based are uneven.
*There was something else, but I can't remember it at this moment.

..yeah, I was bored alright. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]] 05:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:Usually 4/4? No... Kanto's 5/3 in I/III. Johto's 5/3. Hoenn's got 5/4 in both RS and E. Sinnoh's 4/4. Neo Kanto's 4/4. Though Hoenn's Physical/Special split is correct. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

* The face of Bugsy is truly male, not female. That's why Johto have 4 males gym leaders and 4 females gym leaders. Joannes
:Bugsy being male makes it 5/3, not 4/4. God, why can no one count... or spell. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== good trivia, I think ==

All the kanto gym types, before blue and with the exception of saffron's gym, are followed by a gym type with an advantage to them. Also all the johto gym types, with the exception of goldenrod's gym, precede a type they have an advantage against. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 18:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:See, whenever there's an "exception" in something like this, it makes it a lot weaker. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 18:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Normal-types are immune to ghosts, so that might not really be an exception. I think this is very interesting, since I'd never noticed that pattern before. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

==Redundancy==

Why is there a separate list for the Diamond/Pearl and Platinum gym leaders? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:The order changed in Pt.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::Orders can't change. Most of the time you either go down a set path, or you have some freedom in going to towns in what order you like. Now, unless the path was set and they rearranged the landscape to put one city before another, I find it highly unlikely that the "order was changed". [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It was changed. You '''must''' fight Fantina in order to go further than Hearthome City, or else you're blocked in. The order is changed and set. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That's not reason enough for me. Removed. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 20:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm sorry but you do not have the authority to do that. Try a stunt like that again and you're blocked. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::How do I "not have the authority"? This is a Wikipedia, and is freely edited by its users... I'm not some guest, or low-level, never-edits user. I feel that that information is redundant, and should be removed. You cannot block me for doing something that is not in any way vandalism, or addition of non-notable, or un-verified information. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am an admin and I do not want this changed. You are going against an admin decision and that's what you can get blocked for. BTW, this is verified information. Why don't you try playing Platinum before you call something un-verified. What you were putting was not true. Fantina is not the fifth Gym Leader fought in Platinum. Crasher Wake is. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I don't care if you are an admin. This is a freely-edited Wiki, and you can't have the articles exactly as ''you'' like them; they have to be encyclopedic.

::::::::I never said that that was unverified information. If you had read what I said clearly, you'd know that I was using that as an example to block someone; not as to the information in this article.

::::::::Finally, in Red/Blue/Yellow, you could fight Erika or Sabrina in any order. Heck, you could outright skip some gym leaders... So how were the lists for those gym leaders compiled in that specific order? We might as well make lists of every conceivable order, right? This article is about the '''gym leaders''', not the order of said leaders. Including the same leaders twice is nothing but redundant, and clogs space. 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Besides, you just called this wiki a {{wp|Main Page|Wikipedia}}. Bulbapedia's license and most of its practices are different from that of Wikipedia. Maybe if you read over {{bp|Manual of style|our manual of style}} and {{wp|Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia's manual of style}}, you'll see just how vastly different Bulbapedia is...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Your point being? I have read the manuals, and I see nothing on Bulba's that suggests this Wiki is not freely edited. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::If we let every user do what ever the hell they wanted to do then this place would be a mess. Admins need to take charge at times. It's not entirely free as you say. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Umm... You make me out to be an anarchist. I fully realize that admins are needed to police the edits and make sure nothing extreme is done. And by extreme I mean what I said earlier: outright vandalism, and non-notable or un-verified fancruft/rumours. And edit pertaining to the article itself, and in no way harming, only benefiting it, is clearly outside the range of an admin's stated purpose, and falls only into your personal opinion. As an admin, you cannot have a personal opinion that gets in the way of intelligent editing. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The point is you did not ask proper permission or talked it out on the talk page. You just went ahead and removed it. Anyway, were working on a solution so both parties will be happy. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I apologize for not going through the proper channels. Like so many other people on the Internet, I was "in a bad mood". Lame excuse, but at least I've gone through it quick enough that we can discuss this right. The article can remain the same if you like, though I feel it's redundant, but a notice explaining the redundancy would be a fair compromise. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 21:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

===Attention all===
Gym Leaders all go in badge case order as of the most recent game they appear in. Since that order doesn't change between games (RGBYFRLG all use the same one, that is), that'll be our standard. Especially considering the ability for you to do badges out of order in some games (Kanto especially). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:Badge case order in Platinum is still Maylene-Wake-Fantina for those of you who don't feel like checking, so I guess the above argument could have been diverted x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Trust me, we really don't want to go disputing the order of gym leaders, especially in the case of Kanto in [[Generation I]] if we bring {{g|Stadium 2}}'s Color Case exploit into things...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Kanto Gym Leaders ==

Do the Kanto Gym Leaders in HG/SS have VS sprites like the Johto ones? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:Don't know but since there details coming in it is better to wait a few days and see so just be patient. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::The answer is yes. Blaine's in particular is amusing, because he does a peace sign.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 23:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone should upload them, then. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Already have. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Interchangeable Sprites and VS Sprites ==

Do you think we can make it so that the sprites will change from the VS sprites to the regular sprites every so often? It seems kinda weird that only the GenIII ones won't have the VS sprites while everyting else will. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah felt the same way of roaming the images and finding that not all Gym Leaders are going to get headshots so I will support your proposal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's a very good idea! I support it also. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Johto Gym Leader new Sugimori art ==

Why do the first four have it but the last four still have the artwork from Gen II? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:'Cause the others haven't been uploaded yet.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::Do you know where whoever uploaded the first four got them from so I can upload the rest? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 21:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::They're on the official Japaneses website. So far, only the first four have been revealed. --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Whoever put up the rest of the Johto gym leader artwork, good job. Now we need the new Kanto gym leader artwork.--[[User:Black Artist|Black Artist]] 20:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Indigo League.. ==

Why is it that we use the small first generation art, instead of the full sized [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/55895900546.jpg ones]? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:On this page we are using their ingame sprites, not their official art. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::I meant in their own pages. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Anyway, the ones you link to are too small--[[User:Black Artist|Black Artist]] 02:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I have larger ones on my PC, but they have some sort of black background around them and I don't have Photoshop. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Still more trivia. ==

Picknicker Liz just phoned to mention that Gym Leader Whitney was chosen by the League shortly after becoming a trainer. I guess that means they are using a talent scout system of some kind. *shrug* --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I can confirm that. I'll do something with it on some article... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pryce ==

In this article, it puts Pryce as the 7th gym leader. I battled him before Chuck or Jasmine-because I hadn't even gotten to their respective cities yet. There was a guy in front of the door, but he disappeared after the souveneir shop thing. Pryces article said that he couldn't be battled until you defeat Team Rocket in their headquarters, but now i'm confused as to whether it meant the thing i did, or another event later in the game. And no, i have never used an external device or, to the best of my knowledge, any glitches. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 08:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pryce is meant to be the seventh Gym Leader, but you can defeat most of them in any order. For example, in Kanto you can skip Lt. Surge and Sabrina until almost just before taking on the Viridian Gym if you so desire. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh. I thought the table might have been out of order or something. Thanks. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 22:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

In HG/SS, you can battle Chuck, Jasmine, and Pryce in any order you choose. Due to the fact that the road splits after Morty, you can battle any of the three in any order you want. I personally battled Jasmine before Chuck. It all depends on where you want to go. If you are not sure which way to go, look at the Pokegear and the strategy guide if you have it. If there is a Pokemon you want, (because you might still be building your party to how you want it) then go the path that leads you there the quickest. In Kanto, I went the route suggested and beat 4 Gyms in one day and 3 the next. It was all based on my thought process at the time. It is like so many things in Pokemon, it is all based on decision.
To answer your question, the souveneir shop thing is supposed to happen before Pryce. You did the right thing. [[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 18:24, 21 July 2010.

== Could we add==

: shouldn't we add aloe and dento here as well as the isshu region?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 05:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:: I think their waiting for all the gym leaders to be announced, so probably won't be added until the games are released. --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 11:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

==Should we?==

Shouldn't we add the the lower template to the page? It is a trainer class, after all. It only seems right that we do. '''''[[User talk:Master of Illusions: Z|~ Master of Illusion: Z]]''''' '''''[[User:Master of Illusions: Z|User page]]''''' 13:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu Gym Leaders==
An image with the new [http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1147743.jpg gym leaders popped up] [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 20:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:And accordingly, users have put them in their userspaces. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::And why is the Icicle badge under the Isshu gym leader template?[[User:Patrickmck|Patrickmck]] 00:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's called the Icicle Badge, and because of the way the template works (you put the name of the badge and the image and name show up on the page) Sinnoh's Icicle Badge is there. God, it's like GameFreak is trying to force name-changes on every Ice badge or something...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Iris is only the Souryuu City gym leader in one version of the game, in the other the leader is a man called Shaga [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 08:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is confirmed on the game's books. Iris is the Gym Leader of White Version, and Shaga (?) is the Gym Leader of Black Version. [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 19:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu leaders' etymology ==

Leaving this here until actual pages are made.
*Dent/Pod/Corn: Dent corn and pod corn
*Aloe: Aloe
*Kamitsure: Japanese for chamomile
*Yacón: Yacón.
*Fūro: Japanese for geranium. ''Fūrō'' (風浪) means "wind and waves".
*Hachiku: Japanese for "breaking bamboo" (破竹)
*Iris: Iris
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:And ''Shaga'' (著莪), {{wp|Iris japonica|Japanese Iris}}. For gyms:
:*Sanyō: Most likely to be from 三曜模様. 三 ''san'' (three) and <strike>possibly 陽/葉/洋 ''you'' (sun/leaf/ocean) or 様 ''you'' (manner)</strike> 曜 ''you'' (luminary).
:*Shippō: From 七宝模様, 七宝 means "seven treasures" or "{{wp|cloisonne}}"
:*Hiun: From 飛雲文, 飛雲 means "flying cloud" <strike>(or 非運 "misfortune")</strike>
:*Raimon: <strike>雷門, literally "thunder gate"</strike> From 雷文 ''raimon'' (thunder pattern).
:*Hodomoe: From 帆巴文様. 帆巴 ''hodomoe'' literally means "sail swirl". 巴 ''tomoe'' also means "comma-shaped design". Contains 土 ''do'', earth.
:*Fukiyose: From 吹寄せ模様 "drifting pattern". 吹き寄せ means "medley". Contains 吹, "blow".
:*Sekka: From 雪華模様 "snowflake pattern". Can be read as 雪花, "snowflakes".
:*Sōryū: <strike>蒼竜, "Azure dragon"</strike>. From 双竜文 "double dragon pattern".
:Might as well add this:
:*Kanoko: From 鹿の子模様, "fawn dapple pattern".
:*Karakusa: From 唐草模様, "{{wp|arabesque}}".
:*Kanawa: From 金輪, "metal ring/hoop".
:*Kagome: From 籠目, "{{wp|Kagome lattice|woven-bamboo pattern}}".
:*Sazanami: From 漣/小波/細波, ripple.
:[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 15:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC) Edited.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 17:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:What about Arty? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 16:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::His name wasn't out at that point. Also, half of Beyondnor's Romanizations make no sense. Are they official? Because Fuuro≠Flo and Kamitsure≠Camille.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 17:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::How about '''アーティ'''チョーク ''artichoke''? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 18:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, good job. It hadn't occurred to me.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Icicle Badge ==

I know because of their same English and Japanese names, the respective 7th badges for Sinnoh and Isshu have the same file picture on the page. Just seems like a minor problem, but I am a perfectionist. [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 10:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Lt. Surge ==

I'm pretty sure this is a mistake, but when does Surge appear at MooMoo Farm? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:On Fridays and Saturdays, he appears on Route 39 (MooMoo Farm) after you've traded for his Pikachu. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Gotcha. Thanks, glad I checked first. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Merger discussions==
===1===
Since it's a worthless stub, I suggest merging it with [[Gym Leader]]. Would it be a good move? Just make sure to put other languages section in [[Gym Leader]] article if it's decided to merge the page. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe. There is a discussion in the forums about it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::No. This article is about the trainer class, not the characters. Yes, they are similar, but they remain quite different. It just needs improvement. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Wait, huh? How are the 'Leader' trainer class and the 'Gym Leader' position any different? They both refer to the same thing... Anyway, I suggest a merge. Do we have to vote or something, or are we just discussing for now? '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 00:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::This article should NOT be merged. It specifically provides information regarding the Gym Leaders in the Pokémon ''games''. The article [[Gym Leader]] heavily references the Anime. [[User:Auxia|'''AUXIA''']] 02:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, they're still the same subject. We are not proposing a mere ''deletion'' of this page, but a ''merging'' to the Gym Leader one, so if you feel that this one addresses the games and the other the anime, if they became merged, the 'Gym Leader' page would talk about Gym Leaders in the games and anime (which happen to be the same thing)... (the Gym Leaders in both mediums, not the mediums themselves, I mean.)'''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 04:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::*Yes, they are technically the same thing. But if the decision is made to merge the articles, it might be a good idea to have one section of the article dedicated to the Anime and another to the games. Furthermore, if they are merged, I think a link to the Gym Leader article should remain in the list of Trainer Classes, as they are, technically, a separate class. [[User:Auxia|'''AUXIA''']] ([[User talk:Auxia|''talk'']]) 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Heavily references the anime? Having a section on the Orange Islands is not "heavily references". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''MERGE''' with [[Gym Leader]]. --'''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LūgīāRōcks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Tālk'']] δ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Ēdīts'']]) 01:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

===2===
Everybody still up for merging?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:I'm against the merge.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::I'm in favor of the merge. =) '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 15:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, no one came here in the past months, but I am in favor of merging. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 20:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm with merging. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:As stated above: '''MERGE''' --'''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LūgīāRōcks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Tālk'']] δ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Ēdīts'']]) 01:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::'''No''' merge. It is actually a trainer class. Then our little trainer class box at the bottom of the page has a link to an actual trainer class that was merged to Gym Leader because everyone thought they were the same. They aren't so deal with it. (No offense). Find a way to include the fact that the Trainer Class was actually Leader not Gym Leader, then go ahead. If not, then don't.--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] ([[User talk:Smartkidhen|So I saw this sign that said Red Velvet]] • [[Special:Contributions/Smartkidhen|Team Galatic has plans!]]) 01:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::They aren't "the same" in the English versions because of the character limit. In Japanese, it's the same, and it was intended to be the same in English, undoubtedly. Now, I'm either for us moving everything to X (Trainer class) [because that's how we do it with other things, we don't have {{tc|Psychic}} and {{m|Psychic}}, {{tc|Double Team}} and {{m|Double Team}}, and not {{red link|Leader (Trainer class)|Leader}} and {{m|Fire Blast}} or merging this. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Merging makes sense. The two articles are about the same thing, regardless of what media they describe. We don't have seperate articles on [[Gyms]] in the anime and games. And the fact that it describes a specific Trainer class is also a non-issue. [[Mysticalman]] redirects to [[Eusine]], after all. Couldn't the Gym Leader page have information about the Trainer class as well? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

===3===
This has been tagged since early 2009 at the latest. There are no logical arguments against merging, really. So I'll just go ahead and merge, like I did the [[Team Rocket Grunts]]. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 21:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:Right, so that's done. Let's sort those two incomplete sections now. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the artwork! ==
Official artwork for all Unova Gym Leaders, Elite four members and [[Adeku]] have been revealed on Pokebeach. Why doesn't someone upload it already! [[User:TheBlackPokemonMaster]]
: You're free to upload it if you want to.. --[[User:Kolink|Ko]][[User_Talk:Kolink|link]] 21:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yes and please do upload them TBPM [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 15:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Except that those pictures are REALLY low quality. They're not even scans, they're photographs of the guide pages. The Gym Leader art will be uploaded—but only once we have images which are half-decent. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
We now have some (all?) of the Gym Leader and Elite Four artwork. It's not the best quality - but it's the best quality that exists. I think that'll give an idea, anyway, and we can update the art as more comes to hand. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==In the anime?==
Didn't Aloe switch pokemon against Ash? [[User:Plato Platinum|Plato Platinum]] 18:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, but Dent said that every gym does different things (could be a Shippou Gym thing only) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
::So should we change this: "Those that Ash encountered before Blaine did switch; however, since Ash's match against Blaine in Riddle Me This, Gym Leaders have not switched out their Pokémon."? {{unsigned|Plato Platinum}}
:::Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 19:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, we should. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:57, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

== Unova rematching ==
I've seen YouTube videos featuring rematches of Chili and Iris, and there are more that i didn't watch yet. I'm pretty sure that he hacked it to make the videos, but just in case, can someone confirm that it's impossible to rematch them? [[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]] 19:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:No.There is absolutely no way to rematch leaders in BW.There are hack tools coming out for people to hack the Black and White games,so I guess it was hacked.{{unsigned|Skarm}}

== Generation II Gym Leader Artwork ==

Hey sorry but just curious, the Kanto Gym Leaders have their Gen I Artwork on the page, why don't the Johto Leaders have their Gen II Artwork? If you can help thanks{{unsigned|Anaserfrdrews12798}}
:No they don't. Both Kanto and Johto Gym Leaders have their [[Generation IV]] sprites.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Nah, the Kanto gym leaders have their Gen III and Gen I artwork in the section titled "Artwork", but I think only Janine has her Gen II art in the "Artwork " section of that page. I remember before HG/SS the Johto leaders had Artwork from games at the top of the page, i'm wondering why that isn't there anymore.{{unsigned|Anaserfrdrews12798}}
:Please sign your comments with 4 <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
::Jasmine has some as well last I checked. Probably simply because no one has posted it yet. If you have high quality images of the Gen II artwork, please feel free to upload them to the archives and we'll make a place for them them on the pages. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Cheers, sorry I was a fan of Pokemon Gold (lke many) and I would hate to see a part of "the good ol' days" disappear {{unsigned|Anaserfrdrews12798}}

== Anime Gym Leaders ==

For the Anime pages we have on gym leaders, specifically, Iris, Misty, Cilan, and Brock, I've notices that there are no disambiguation pages or even notice. Since we have such pages for other game characters who are major characters in the Anime (May and Dawn for example) shouldn't we have them for the gym leaders as well? --[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 01:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
:The idea is that the articles themselves are disambiguation pages in a way. They cover games, manga, TCG, then have a main article link in the anime section to that character's role in the anime. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Gym Leaders ==

With the news from the latest Coro Coro having come through, is it worth starting preliminary pages and listings for Shizui and Homika, or should we wait until further information becomes available? [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 19:46, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:The admins decided until further information is revealed, we'll leave them unlisted for now (thus the page protection). --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Drake a Gym Leader? ==

I saw that Drake from the orange islands is in this section and I'm wondering if he really counts as a Gym Leader. He doesn't give away a badge, just a trophy. I think that would make him more of a champion or maybe something like a battle frontier brain. Or did they mention some where in the anime that he is indeed a Gym leader?
--[[User:Coolcatkim22|Coolcatkim22]] 18:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:* That's a good question, my guess is that since he ''isn't'' considered a champion, but a "Leader", gym leader was the closest group to put him in. But I don't fully know. ---[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 19:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

==Unova layout==
I really don't like the combined table. I find it very confusing (especially for the first Gym where BW has 3 leaders and B2W2 has 1). I preferred separate tables. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Why vs sprites? ==

Why using vs sprites? The Hoenn leaders don't have them at the moment and if I get permission I'll change it in a minute. We can revert later when the Hoenn leaders get their versus sprites! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 16:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
From who should I actually get permission? I'll just change it and it can be reverted any time. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Done, but someone animated Cheren and Elesa's '.png' sprites in the archives. Could anybody change that? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

: I think it's actually good this way. Battle sprites are the most up-to-date and not every character that gets a battle sprite gets a vs sprite. If anyone still doesn't agree, it can be changed any time.
:: I agree with it. It looks nicer because Hoenn didn't get VS Sprites (which might change if we get RS Remakes, but whatever). [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 22:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I do not. Although I admit it is rather strange with Hoenn being the odd region out...the VS sprites look much nicer and give the page a more professional and polished look that I really enjoy. I would rather stay with the VS sprites, however IF (big IF) a consensus is reached to use the sprites, I say we should use the Generation V sprites for all and not the just the Unova and Hoenn leaders. I think we should also get an admin's opinion on this since IIRC this was there decision to begin with.{{unsigned|HoennMaster}}
::::I disagree with this move. The VS sprites looks cleaner and clearer than the normal sprites. Yes, it looks weird as Hoenn Gym leaders don't have VS Sprites, but that's really not an issue considering they ''may'' get VS sprites in the future *is so not talking about R/S remakes*.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::I prefer VS sprites as well. As for Hoenn, I would give them all their Gen V sprites, even Walace; we use Giovanni and Koga's HGSS VS sprites. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

:::: So then we just use VS sprites and if a character doesn't have one we use the newest possible battle sprite, right? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 08:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::::: Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== Wallace's sprite. ==

I changed all vs sprites to motionless battle sprites, but Wallace is now the only one with a generation III sprite. It could be changed to his generation V sprite, but that is a sprite of him with a cape, so it's a sprite of 'champion Wallace' and not 'gym leader Wallace'. So should we move with the times or comply with the gym leader sprites? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
: I think we should use the older one for now and if there are RS Remakes, maybe his Gym Leader sprite will get an upgrade and we can use that. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 22:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:: I agree, but even if there come RS remakes, I wonder if Wallace will be a Gym Leader, as Eusine (for exemple) is included in HGSS while he originally only appeared in Crystal. And by the way, it is story-wise almost inpossible, as Red/Leaf's and Brendan/May's journeys began at the same time, but Hilbert/hilda's at least 3 years later and Kyouhei/Mei journey at least 5 years later, story-wise. {{unsigned|Nickvang}}
:::For first, it's never said that BW is set 3 years later. Out of three time skips, only two are known (3 years between Generation I/III and II/IV, plus another 2 between BW and B2W2)... and they can as well instead of remaking RS, make Hoenn games set in other period of time. They totally obliterated the "sequence" with sequels. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

== Cheren's Parent(s)? ==

It says that Cheren has parents that are able to be encountered in-game. Is this a mistake, and if not, who is/are they? {{unsigned|Fudgedara}}
:Cheren's home in Nuvema town has both of his parents inside. They can be encountered in BW1 before he became gym leader and in BW2 after the fact. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 21:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

== Cheren's "usual partners"? ==

[[Cheren]] mention to Dr. Juniper that being a gym leader would be easier if he has his "usual partners" via the x-transceiver conference call after the player beat the first gym.
In addition, Cheren have a [[Cinccino]] and an under-leveled [[Stoutland]] while helping the player with Team Plasmas, for which he does not use any Minccino in the gym battle challenge (in challenge mode as well).
So, does that mean that gym leaders have to use an official set of pokemon against challengers? [[User:Gspbeetle|Gspbeetle]] ([[User talk:Gspbeetle|talk]]) 11:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

== New Gen VI Gym Leaders ==

I was browsing PokeWiki to touch up on my far-from-immaculate German skills, and I came across the Gym Leader page, noticing that they have information that Bulbapedia doesn't. Would someone with the proper knowledge of editing Wiki pages add this stuff in? http://www.pokewiki.de/Arenaleiter#Kalos '''[[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito~p]]''' 16:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== Previous Gym Leaders ==

Is there any way we can incorporate a section for previous Leaders (of course, indicating that some are anime-exclusive, etc.)? An example would be {{EF|Aaron}}, who was formerly a Sinnoh Gym Leader before becoming an Elite Four member. We can also add characters that were offered a position, such as [[Riley]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
:Reviving the question again. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

==New leaders...==
Could someone please add Grant, Clemont and Koruni to the Kalos section? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 21:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)~
:Koruni is Korrina and is from Shalour City... [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 15:06, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::It has been updated. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Shalour City is シャラシティ Shara City... [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Kalos Leader VS Sprites ==

Hasn't the Pokemon website already showed us what the VS screen will look like for Grant, Clemont and Korrina. Couldn't you use these for their sprites. (Again I'm not complaining, just an idea). --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 08:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Gym Leader VS Sprites ==

Since we now have the Pokemon World Tournament in Driftveil City, we have new, updated VS sprites for all of the gym leaders, new and old. couldn't you use these for the pictures instead of the VS sprites from their own games. Because the Hoenn pictures aren't really battle sprites, they're just the trainer sprites. {{unsigned|Ziggyangelo88}}
:Who told you there are VS sprites in PWT? As far as I know, they're not used there... are they? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::PWT just zooms in on the Trainer's sprite. They're not really VS sprites. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Minor Edit ==

Since this page seems to be protected from editing, I should note that there is an incorrect fact in the Gym Trainers section. It states as an example that Misty's gym employs Tubers and Swimmers. However, Misty's gym never has any Tubers in it. I was intending to replace Tubers with Sailors, as she has two in Gen IV only. Could anyone with the proper permissions make such an edit to the page? [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 06:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== Pokemon Origins ==

It seems that the anime special Pokemon Origins explains why, despite the fact that most trainers would tackle the gyms in a different order due to where they live, the Gym Leaders get more difficult in the order you fight them. They actually have different sets of Pokemon that they fight trainers with depending on how many Badges the trainer has obtained.[[User:Zyborg|Zyborg]] ([[User talk:Zyborg|talk]]) 05:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== something i noticed ==

So twice in the anime, it is mentioned that the (at least kanto) league rules dictate gym leaders must accept every challenge. Which has since been skewered. In Unova for example, Clay didn't accept Ash's challenge until he brought him a bag of revival herbs. Second off, in Pokemon origins, Giovanni, referring to Green said "I decided to go ahead and accept that boy's challenge" implying that he didn't have to, despite it being established years earlier that, well, you know. Lastly, in the latest anime series, Clemont originally programmed his robot with a requirement of trainers having obtained a certain amount of gym badges to challenge his gym. Which kind of negates the whole thing.

This sounds weird, but the real reason I'm asking this is....i made what i call "Pokemon desktops", basically put, making my computer background whatever region's map and adding folders to represent the locations for everything. Then from there i put everything in (tall grass folders in routes, which themselves contain "wild Pokemon", towns containing the pokecenters, marts and gyms) essentially recreating a pokemon region on a computer. But about the gym leaders, whenever i have a character battle a gym, there are rare times when i feel it's little more then redundant because the trainer had challenged that gym and lost like two or three times. But then i keep hearing Brock's "as the gym leader i have to accept every challenge" quote. I'm just stuck on that. Especially with all of the above information being taken into account.

But above that i feel it's an interesting point. I ramble too much.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 18:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== Cerulean ==

With the novelization's Three Strike rule applying to Gym Leaders, what about the Cerulean Gym? Which according to Daisy lost three times in a row.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 13:11, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

== Vacate their position ==

Shouldn't Brycen be added to the mentioning of Gym Leader's who vacate their position?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 20:26, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Gym Leader/Archive 1

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Professor Oak's Rotom

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pokemonname=Rotom|
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jpokemonname=ロトム|
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'''Professor Oak's Rotom''' (Japanese: '''オーキド博士のロトム''' ''Dr. Okido's Rotom'') is the only {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} caught on screen by {{an|Professor Oak}}. It was caught in the [[Decolore Islands]].

==History==
===Best Wishes series===
[[File:Professor Oak and Rotom.png|thumb|left|200px|Professor Oak and Rotom]]
Professor Oak caught {{p|Rotom}} in ''[[BW128|To Catch a Rotom!]]'' at [[Torom Island]]. He came to meet Ash and his friends to the [[Decolore Islands]] on Torom Island and told them that he wanted to catch himself a Rotom in order to study its forms. They went to a site where lots of old electrical machines were kept, luring in three Rotom. At first, Professor Oak's attempt to capture one failed, but once he had, along with Ash and friends, saved the Rotom from being captured by {{TRT}}, one of them freely accepted to come with him, and allowed itself to be captured by him.

Rotom reappeared in ''[[BW130|Butterfree and Me!]]'' where it surprised Ash on the computer screen when he was contacting Professor Oak. Rotom was shown to be very affectionate towards him as it shocked him the first time it happened.

It appeared briefly in ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]'', in which it suddenly popped down from the sky between [[Alexa]] and Professor Oak, scaring her. It was later seen being filmed by her.

===XY series===
Rotom appeared again in ''[[XY003|A Battle of Aerial Mobility!]]'' when Ash was contacting Professor Oak. It also appears in [[Professor Oak's lecture#XY series|Professor Oak's Holo Caster]] at the end of each episode, helping Professor Oak with his explanation, and often laughing at him when he gets hurt.

==Personality and characteristics==
Rotom is a mischievous prankster. A running gag, somewhat similar to the one with {{Ash}}'s {{AP|Muk}}, is that it often likes to fill up the screen whenever it appears and laughs; whenever Ash has phoned Professor Oak since its capture, Rotom will appear first on the monitor, often scaring him. This habit has also been shown during Professor Oak's Holo Caster, where the segment will always begin and conclude this way. Rotom also likes using {{m|Thunderbolt}} to shock Professor Oak and laughs afterwards, though it doesn't seem to be using the move's full power, and doesn't want to really hurt the Professor.

==Moves used==
===Normal Rotom===
{{anmov/h|electric|ghost|Oak Rotom Thunderbolt.png|Using Thunderbolt}}
{{anmov|electric|Thunderbolt|BW128|To Catch a Rotom!}}
{{anmov/f|ghost}}

===Mow Rotom===
{{anmov/h|electric|grass|Oak Rotom Leaf Storm.png|Using Leaf Storm}}
{{anmov|grass|Leaf Storm|BW128|To Catch a Rotom!}}
{{anmov/f|grass}}

==In the games==
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From August 10 to September 6, 2013, Japanese Pokémon Centers distributed an in-game representation of Professor Oak's Rotom. The distribution was split into four one-week periods; each week, players could receive one of four {{series2|Best Wishes}}-themed Pokémon at random. The other three Pokémon distributed alongside Professor Oak's Rotom were [[Ash's Pikachu]], [[Iris's Axew]] and [[Cilan's Pansage]].

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==Trivia==
* Rotom is the lightest Pokémon owned by a recurring character, weighing 1.5 lbs (0.7 kg).

==Related articles==
{{Animespecies|Rotom}}
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[[zh:大木博士的洛托姆]]

Talk:Alain

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Talk:XY052

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== Poisoning ==

In the original version Clemont misidentifies Poison Jab's secondary effect as badly poisoning. But at the time Clemont had no way of having any idea what move was used to Poison Greninja, making that error a moot point. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:39, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:BWS02

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Now that a release date has been unveiled, should the trivia section be updated to reflect that? I'm not sure if TV Tokyo have put back this episode on their website. Can anyone confirm that? [[User:Shadao|Shadao]] ([[User talk:Shadao|talk]]) 05:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== Is this trivia worthy? ==

Could Iris encountering a Rayquaza be referencing the Rayquaza that can be found in the [[Embedded Tower]] in HeartGold & SoulSilver, or could it be hinting that a future Hoenn remake is coming? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:12, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

:Well, a future Hoenn remake isn't out of the question (mostly because it was confirmed xD) I think it's hinting at a Hoenn-based plot in the XY series, in a similar vein to [[Lyra]] in DP and the Kanto tournaments in AG. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

== Banned Episode? ==

This hasn't been aired in North America yet, and since it was a while ago is there any intention of doing so?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 20:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk:BW027

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It says Cilan mentioned Flamethrower without Druddigon using it, even though it did right before it first appeared in the episode. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 05:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Champion

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==Archives==
This article was merged with "Champion (Trainer class)" on 25 Nov., 2010. Further pre-merge discussion may be found [[Talk:Champion (Trainer class)|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==Title defence==
"''It is assumed that the Champion must defend their title against challengers, although this is never explicitly stated.''"

What about when you fight Blue in R/B. They say he's the champion, then you have to fight him to become champion, you beat him and oh noes he is no longer the top-dog. That looks to me like a title defence. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As someone else noted in another article - the problem with that is FireRed and LeafGreen alone - where when you fight the Elite Four the second time (and in terms of the story - they recognize it's the second time, too) and Blue is the champion agian. - Zeta

That is a problem. But to me that would say that in the game, that it's possible to have more than one champion at the same time, no? Or maybe Game Freak just screwed up. Maybe the translators screwed up, does the original Japanese version share the same not-champion, now-chamption mixup? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why, in the games, the main goals are: catch all Pokémon, and '''BECOME THE CHAMPION'''. Yet when you beat the Elite Four/Champion, you can go back and re-chalenge the Champion, even though the game '''says''' you are the Champ, and the Champion has the same speech and is called '''"Champion''' *blank*". It is a '''HUGE''' loophole in the games. Why not retire the old Champ or have them say that you are the Champ now in their pre-battle speech? [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 02:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Sometimes things that should happen don't, because it's a game. It's better if there's a always high-level opponent that you can challenge at any time]. Because of that, they're not going to ''retire'' the game champ. But not changing the speech? Yeah, that's laziness. Apparently you're supposed to make the assumption that the game champion immediately sweeps the Elite Four again once you leave?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Obvious rename ==

Let's rename this to "Pokémon League Champion"; "Pokémon champion" sounds like it is describing someone who is a champion at something else, like contests or Battle Tower. In other words, Pokémon League Champion=moreo specifico. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE|PH1RESTRIKE]] 02:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Oak ==

Didn't proffesser oak win the first pokemon league in the pokespe manga?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Lunick v sonela}} ([[User talk:Lunick v sonela|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lunick v sonela|contribs]]) ''

Sorry.Lunick v sonela 17:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should we have a section regarding the sprites of the Champions? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 23:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's on the article for the [[Champion]] trainer class. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::Right... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 23:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== to merge ==

I vote for merging--[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] 04:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:Does anyone actually opose the merge? And if so why? These pages are about the same thing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::I also vote for merging, and that the Trainer Class page should be removed. The new page should be named "Pokémon Champion". 'Coz I dun see a "Boss (Trainer class)" page. The sprites in the Trainer class should be moved to the "In the games" section. -- [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 13:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:::OK then. Due to absolutely no objection on either talk page, and absolutely no clear reason to have the pages separate, I'm going to combine these pages like Gym Leader was. While the page will be here, it should really be at "Pokémon Champion"—I have checked the games and it is a proper noun. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Red ==
Wasn't he explicitly stated as a champion? He took Blue out of his role and became champion for a period. Shouldn't he be stated, for the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:True, but he is already covered by "* {{player|The player}} of [[Pallet Town]], [[New Bark Town]], [[Littleroot Town]], or [[Twinleaf Town]] (depending) - All games, once defeating the previous Champion". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== N? ==

Isn't N technically the champion for a short time? He beat Alder, and then is defeated by the player. [[User:Sennen Goroshi|Sennen Goroshi]] 01:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Reviving since I just got to that point in the game, and yeah, Alder lost to N, so wouldn't he technically count as a Champion? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 17:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Well not nessciarily (sorry for the spelling ) but the battle they had wasn't an "official" battle because he would have to beat the elite four and be "eligible" (get 8 or more badges) to even get a chance at the title.--[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 23:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Picture? ==

I uploaded a picture of the six main series Champions' official art arranged to have them standing in a group. The revision of this page that included the picture was almost instantaneously undone and the uploaded file was subsequently deleted (due to not being currently in use on any page). So, tempted though I am, before I take matters back into my own hands: Would such a picture be a good addition to the page?
[[User:Alderryeguy|Alderryeguy]] 01:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure. You should talk to somebody that is in charge of the archives. They would know why it was deleted. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::I deleted it because of the following reasons:
:::1) Not a good job with the cropping.
:::2) It's a mix of the existing pictures in Archives.
:::3) We don't really need them mixed, if you want their picture, then just go to the article of said Champion.
:::4) The quality varies, I'm not sure it should be an option to do this now.
::I (again) appreciate your concern, but I for one think we should let this one pass. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 04:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Champions ==

Was it ever mentioned that winning the Pokémon League makes you that region's Champion in the anime? Tobias and Cynthia seem to be extremely different cases. In fact, I would think that winning the league would allow access to the Champion League, which as far as I understand it, is an invite-only tournament for Elite Four members, the regional Champion, and probably "Sinnoh League Victors" to compete in. That is speculation, but so is assuming that winning the league automatically makes them the Champion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:No from what I remember in the anime Ash only got a cup when he won a League. It seems like a yearly event. Then next year another winner is crowned and given the cup. I dunno if they obtain the title of "Champion". Also the definition of "Champion" in the anime has not been explained well. All they keep saying is that they are the best trainer in the region yet. They don't seem to have any special role with the Pokemon League unlike the Gym Leaders (Cynthia is an example). [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

== All champions' music remixed. ==

It says that [[Blue (game)|Blue]]'s Champion music was remixed for B/W (and it was) for the battle with the "top trainer" of the Battle Subway. My problem with this is: define "top trainer." [[User:Pokered4000|Pokered4000]] 03:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

== VS Banners ==

I believe this page should use the VS Banner sprites for the pictures. I have a few reasons. One, they were used when the Champions were on the Elite Four page, and two, this will make them match the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and Frontier Brains pages. (Also, I know that Steven and Wallace don't have VS Banners, but hopefully they will eventually.) Also on a somewhat related note, the Champion page should be added to The Pokemon League box that has links to all the main articles about the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, etc. I was not sure where to post that so I put it here. So if someone that can would be so kind as to do those things, I would really appreciate it. If you have any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done also I'd be interested to hear them.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 20:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Pokémon Champions in Adventures==
Shouldn't Cynthia and Alder be included? In [[PS431|Different Dimensions Battle I]] Cynthia's grandmother scolds her for thinking that becoming a Champion means one doesn't need to train anymore. And Alder is the reigning Champion (at least according to Black). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] ([[User talk:Ariano|talk]]) 19:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Is Red a Champion? ==

''"In {{2v2|Black|White}}, Cynthia tells the player that once every few years, the Champions from all the regions come together and battle to find the strongest among them. In the [[Pokémon World Tournament]] in {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, which takes place 2 years later, all the Champions the player battles in previous games participate in the tournament, '''as well as {{ga|Red}}'''."''

This contradicts the table below, as this part of the sentence implies Red is not a Champion. The table has Red included, even though it implies he is not in that sentence. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Something from a random NPC inside of a house in Viridian City from HGSS:

''You go all over the place and battle all kinds of Trainers. This is not just to train your Pokémon. This is also a chance too experience many things yourself. I bet the '''Champion from Pallet Town''' went to all the cities and towns in Kanto.''

He's clearly talking about Red, since in the remake they don't keep things about Red secret like in the original GSC, and just the fact that he's in the Champions Tournament of the World Tournament should tell you even more that he is a Champion. [[User:Lamarfll|Lamarfll]] ([[User talk:Lamarfll|talk]]) 02:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

==Red as Champion==
I think we can all establish the fact that there is canon evidence to support Red being Champion (eg. HG/SS reference, actual Champion title given, he can be fought, etc.). However, the only problem I have with this piece of information as it is would be the location. Red shouldn't be under Indigo Plateau, rather it should be Mt. Silver because he is not fought in Indigo Plateau itself. He shouldn't be categorized with Blue and Lance. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 03:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

:To put something on top, "The player has always met the Champion before challenging the Elite Four"? I don't remember seeing him in GSCHGSS before Mt. Silver. Shouldn't we correct that? [[User:TeudowEthan|TeudowEthan]] ([[User talk:TeudowEthan|talk]]) 08:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::Red is not the Champion in GSC/HGSS. He was the Champion at one point, but now Lance holds that title. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

== Name. ==

Blue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNm2WZtGWY#t=7m52s refers] to himself as "League Champ" in FRLG. Oddly enough, seconds later he refers to the player as "Pokémon League Champion". [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== N as Champion? ==

Just out of curiosity, would N be canonically considered a Champion? He DOES beat Alder himself in Black and White, and you do have to fight him as (one of) the final boss after beating the Elite Four. I think he would fall under the same category as Blue, being a Champion only temporarily, and like Red, not listed as a Champion when fought. These are just my thoughts, but I'd like to know what you guys think. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 19:09, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

:Quote from N just after he defeated Alder:
::''"It's over! Never again will Pokémon be made to suffer or be held captive by humans. It's all thanks to my friend, Zekrom/Reshiram! You may have the title of Champion… But you can't stop me with just a title. Your soft heart has left you weak. Years ago, you lost your Pokémon, your partner, to sickness. In order to forget the pain in your heart, you wandered Unova… Who knows how long it's been since you've had to fight with your full strength? I actually kind of like that about you, though. As a Trainer who far outmatches the Champion, I shall issue an order across Unova: Trainers of the world, free your Pokémon!"'''
:This seems to indicate that while he defeated Alder, he chose not to be Champion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but you can't choose to be champion. I think the champion is the strongest trainer in the region, or in the case of Indigo, regions. Basically, the champion is whoever defeats the last champion. I think while Alder had the legal title of Champion, but N was the true champion- he just didin't formalize it. I think it's sorta like how Lance is Champion in G/S/C/HG/SS, but Red is obviously stronger and was known to have beaten Lance a few years before. Maybe we should just include both of them. [[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 18:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

:I don't think we should add him unless something explicitly says he's considered a champion to be honest. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

::The Champion is not necessarily the strongest Trainer in the region, it's just the one who currently retains the title, who gets it through Pokémon League protocol. I don't believe N collected 8 Badges, so while he defeated the Elite Four, he wouldn't qualify to become Champion anyway (and he let Alder keep the title). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

:::I know this isn't the newest thing ever, but I'd like to point out some things in favour of him being a storyline champion, like Red. I don't believe N would force his way through the Gates that check for badges, nor would he evade them. As you remember, he truly believed he was doing right, and he clearly didn't try and be a criminal, and I doubt he would enter the league without the badges. My second point being in the Super Music Collection for Pokemon Black and White, his battle theme is listed as "決戦", which translates to Decisive Battle. This title is only ever used by Champion Steven and N. Thoughts? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 05:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

::::The "''far outmatching the Champion''" phrase seems pretty clear. It's never been stated you're not allowed to refuse the title anyway.
::::The name of the battle theme can be explained by the fact that the guy just summoned his [[N's Castle|Castle]] to [[N#In the games|attach]] to the Pokémon League, and that you're battling his {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|Bl}}/{{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|W}} with your {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|Bl}}/{{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|W}}, putting each others' beliefs on the line for the future of Unova.
::::So my thinking is:
::::'''Did he have all the Badges?'''
:::::→ '''No:''' If you're thinking you're gonna save the world, then Badges can probably wait. It's very possible for him to have said <nowiki>'</nowiki>''look over there!''<nowiki>'</nowiki>, and then storming in.
:::::→ '''Yes, did he know that makes you the Champion?'''
::::::→ '''No:''' He's ignorant.
::::::→ '''Yes:''' He refused it. ''(the currently accepted solution)''
::::--'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 19:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

:::::Keep in mind that the entirety of N's Castle is past thee Badge Check Gates; N was raised on the other side of them, so going between the main region and his home would not be necessarily intentionally evading them. The entirety of Team Plasma, even those who followed Rood and N in B2W2 and actually loved Pokémon, was past the Badge Check Gates, so I don't think it is appropriate to think about the members evading the gates as much as just having their base of operations past them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

::::::Well, it was and it wasn't. I think you're overlooking the fact that the [[N's Castle|Castle]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifikhFHOcpk&t=1m58s dug out] from ''behind'' what was the [[Pokémon League (Unova)|Pokémon League]], and let's stress that: it was ''underground''. So this doesn't necessarily mean the entirety of [[Team Plasma]] were some mole men digging into the surface, climbing past the back wall of the Pokémon League, negligently passing [[Alder]], the guards and the difficult terrained [[Victory Road (Black and White)|Victory Road]] on their evil missions to do evil deeds to good people.

::::::If the whole Castle can levitate that easily, I'm betting it has some kind of highly advanced, energy-efficient undetectable excavation system as well. Perhaps based on [[Wikipedia:Perpetual motion|perpetual motion]], as breaking the [[Wikipedia:Laws of physics|laws of physics]] seems big deal. --'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 00:50, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

:I definitely think N is a Champion like Blue, AKA a temporary Champion. He should also be listed.--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 00:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

::Are you mocking his intelligence, too? --'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 18:01, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

:::Whose intelligence am I mocking? O.o N beat the current Champion, and even if he denounced the title, it's still his. Then the player beats him and then beats Adler. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 18:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

::::Like I said, he either didn't have all the badges to qualify for the title, or if he did, the phrase "As a Trainer who far outmatches the Champion" either means he's ignorant enough not to know that or he refused the title (e.g. being against the whole ideology).
::::So basically, only if he was ignorant, would he had been the temporary Champion. --'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 23:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::N is not a Champion because he did not take the helm of the Champion, like Blue did.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== If Red is considered a champion, shouldn't all protagonists be considered champions as well? ==

After you beat the champion in any game technically you are the new champion. So, shouldn't the other protagonists be put on the list of champions?

I can't really think of a reason why Red is the only one there except you can actually met him in game unlike other protagonists. Still, that shouldn't exclude other character from the list.

I think Red should be put in another list. A "non-active champion" section, since Red never actually plays the role of the champion in any of the games (unless you count the Pokemon World Tournament which I don't because a champion's main role is to be the final challenger in the Pokemon League and the PWT isn't a part of that).

[[User:Coolcatkim22|Coolcatkim22]] ([[User talk:Coolcatkim22|talk]]) 15:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
:My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but wasn't Red mentioned to be a former Champion in GSC/HGSS?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
::I am fairly sure Blue implies Red overtook his position or something along the lines when you met him on the Cinnabar Island (or what left of it). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 06:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

== Pseudo Legendary Pokemon ==

We should place something in the trivia about how each champion with the exception of red wallace and Alder own pseudo legendary pokemon--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 15:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

:Three exceptions out of nine means that that trivia is hardly notable. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 15:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

== Iris and Diantha ==

Since Iris is the champion in Black 2 and White 2, the Opelucid Gym Leader in White, and is expected to run the gym in the anime, should it be stated that Iris is the first Champion Ash battled? Or does that bit of information go to Diantha? I think I left something about this on Diantha's page, but I can't remember, and this topic has my curiosity piqued. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 18:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:Iris is not a Pokémon Champion in the anime, so you can't say Ash was battling a Champion when battling her. And Diantha wasn't the first Champion Ash went up against, Alder was.--[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 00:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== Alder ==

How do we know that Alder specializes in Bug types? [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 16:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

While it's true that all champions are met by the player before the Pokemon League challenge. Isn't it a moot point that Blue isn't a Champion until then?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 17:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk:XYS02

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== Wait, how is saying that Flash Cannon lowered Charizard's endurance an error? ==

In a sense, it did lower it by lowering its ability to take special attacks--[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 23:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

== Game Reference ==

Is it noteworthy that this marks the first time the "eye contact" rule for starting a Pokemon battle is mentioned in the anime?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 17:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Movies in the Pokémon world

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==Brycen movie==
A translation of a Japanese summary for [[BW078]], states that the movies [[Brycen]] appeared in with his {{p|Beartic}} were known as the 'Ice Trilogy'. I saw this translation in a quote at the Bulbagarden forum (BW078 preview thread to be exact). I don't know if it's true and if the translation was correct but I just thought i'd mention it. [[User:Blazingfist|¡¡¡Blazingfist!!!]] 16:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== Question ==

Based on his movies, does the Pokemon Anime designate Brycen as the Bruce Lee of the Pokemon World?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 04:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Badge

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== Badge Names/Spacing ==

For the record, is it "Boulderbadge" or "Boulder Badge"? Also, I figure listing what Badges do both here and in the [[Gym Leader]] page is redundant. I think it is more appropriate here. uhhh... And, how do you make it so that pages can link to individual badges within this page? Like [[ Badge#Boulder Badge ]] Is that possible? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Is it REALLY necessary to imply that the Japanese word for "badge" is different from the English word? --Ketsuban

To Ket, I think someone may have gone a bit overboard on our translation thing. ^^; And with respect to the #___Badge, yeah, I'll edit that so it's possible. And I believe the name is Boulderbadge, with no space, although this in turn is probably due to the game's character limit. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 00:33, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Use the <nowiki> ==== </nowiki> as the header title for all badges. And maybe debold the names of the badges? I'm not sure... And yeah, that header will allow [[Badges#Cascade Badge]] and the like. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 01:08, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

May I ask why you replaced all the japanese text with question marks? or am I just viewing the page wrong? --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

It seems that multiple recent edits by people are leaving the Japanese text in pages converted to ???... --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

>Ineteresting. Is everyone doing it, or just certain users? If it's everyone, the last update may have accidentally turned of RichText . . . Or at least that's what happened before on a messageboard where this same problem occured.

- Zeta

== Hoenn/Shin'ō Badges ==

Does anyone know where the Kanto and Johto badges' images came from, or who made them? I think it would look a lot better if we had something like that for the other two regions... I mean, if anyone has some drawing skill and can draw out the Hoenn badges, then digitally color them like the other ones, that'd be a good substitute for that anime screenshot... Same for the Shin'ō ones, if we get their colors ahead of time... Depends on how fast we get through Shin'ō in the anime, though, I'd suppose. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

----
From the adapted Chapter Books: [http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader/102-2574885-0064955?ie=UTF8&p=S004&asin=043920092X Read the excerpt], flip a page and notice Coral-Eye Badge. How canonical is that? I don't know, but really it's our only evidence. It's how we figured out it's Cissy instead of Sissy, I think. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Gymbaliar ==

Should we mention somewhere in the anime section that Jessie ran a gym for one D&P episode, and gave out at least one badge to a trainer? Whether or not its considered offical is questionable, and it was not seen, but it should be mentioned that they DID have badges.[[User:Spongemaster0|Spongemaster0]] 14:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The badge in question, I believe, was 3 of James's bottle caps glued together. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Gyms ==

I've been watching Pokémon Chronicles lately, and something in the episode where Misty takes over as Gym Leader (Cerulean Blues, I think) seems kinda relevant. The Inspectors that are busy closing down various Gyms across Kanto are reported on the news to have closed down several already. If eight badges are a requirement for entering the Indigo League, there must be at least eight still open after those closures, right? That would seem to imply that there were (prior to that episode) several extra Gyms.

Also, in the games the "Fighting Dojo" is supposed to have had Gym status, and recently lost it. Bearing in mind that Sabrina's Gym has a pretty formidable reputation, I doubt its "brand new", in which case I'd espect the Fighting Dojo and Sabrina's Gym to have run simultaneously, at least for a bit. I know the Dojo was never mentioned in the Anime, but maybe one of Gary's badges (or the other trainers') could be from there, or other similar Gyms that were closed down?

--[[User:Aiden Iakona|Aiden Iakona]] 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:The anime seems to work pretty clearly under the assumption that there are more than eight gyms in a region. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, in most major regions anyway. Orange Islands was an exception. That made the opposite clear, that there were only four gyms in the islands. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Badge name spacing ==

I see someone reccently changed the badge names to give them consistant spacing. But a pretty quick video search on YouTube shows me that Boulderbadge and so on was correct, and is still kept in FR/LG.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, but it's HEAT BADGE and so on in Emerald, so I think that it was always their intention to have spaces, they just didn't have room in RBYGSC and wanted to keep with tradition in RSFRLG. Emerald they spaced and DP they finally turned off caps lock. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, RS did use spaces. And FR/LG came out afterward without the spacing. Maybe it was a character limit thing, I'll look through some official uses of the terms when I can and see if they agree with you. I just thought that was worth noting.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::All I can really say is that we'll know for sure for Johto/Kanto badges with GSDS. Seeing as FRLG was a remake of RB anyway, though... I think they were just keeping with tradition. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Weighing in, I think other forms of canon have always put a space between the words, which gives some weight to standardizing them as always spaced. I mean, granted, we usually set game canon as the one true canon, but... also, btw, RSE and FRLG weren't necessarily translated by the same people in the company, which could account for the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the people translating FRLG were looking back at the generation I data for reference far more than the data for the other generation III games, except maybe to make sure the new items shared the same names. Badges aren't new, so why would they think to check? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Computers versus badges==
Does anyone else find it odd that badges/ribbons themselves serve as authentication rather than a computerized system (then again, if badges were simply for decoration and kept track of by computer, we couldn't have "badge theft" episodes)? It seems strange that there's a computerized system for transferring Pokémon over large distances but not a system for keeping track of trainer acheivements. Perhaps a note should be made of that.--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

At one point, just prior to his entry into the Hoenn League Ash goes through the obligatory 'Badge loss' episode and is told that he can still enter due to the records but states that he wouldn't want to without the badges, that losing them would be a major psychological blow. Now whether thats unique to the Hoenn region or not is another matter... [[User:Ricohard|Ricohard]] 03:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== League ==

Once a trainer gets 8 badges, he can participate in their respective leagues. After the League is over, can they enter the same League again the next year with the same badges or do they have to travel around again?--'''''[[User:Jmath|Jmath]] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)'''''

== Stat raising? ==

Badges have always been meant to raise the stats of the Trainer's Pokémon. But how does that work? The Pokémon have their base stats raised, and if so by how much? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Has anybody found this yet? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thirded.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==Diamond and Pearl 043 Badges==
Should we add the badges in the case awarded for Ash in his fantasy in "Malice in Wonderland", or because they were in a fantasy we should ignore them? There are a lot of different ones that aren't specific gym badges and I think we should add them or try to figure them out. [[User:Moldy orange]] 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:No. They don't have names. Maybe mention that a bunch appeared, but I swear some of those are old badges. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes there were some old badges, many of which Ash had. But there were of course unidentified ones such as the "Triforce" badge.[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]06:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh Artwork ==

I have a book at home with the artwork of all the Sinnoh badges. Anybody want me to scan them in? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']] 17:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, it'd be good if you could make them high-quality pngs, preferably without scan artifacting like the rest lack. If I knew where we got the KOJ ones, I'd see if they had the Sinnoh ones (Hoenn's were actually done by my friend, a very faithful adaptation of the style, I would say). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, one question: How do you make a transparent background? [[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yin''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''Yang''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''1195''']] 03:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Got Photoshop/Gimp? It's pretty straightforward... just... don't fill it in! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I have PhotoShop. What do I do? I'm kinda new to this... [[User:Yinyang1195|'''HAPPY''']][[User:Yinyang1195|'''VALENTINES''']]
[[User talk:Yinyang1195|'''DAY''']] 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/leagues/] has official Sinnoh badge artwork. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

'''Badges that appeared:'''

Kanto: Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Volcano Badge, Earth Badge

All of Johto's

Hoenn: Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, Balence Badge

Sinnoh: Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, Beacon Badge

'''Badges that didn't:(excluding Orange)'''

Kanto: Boulder Badge, Rainbow Badge

None of Johto's

Hoenn: Heat Badge, Feather Badge, Mind Badge, Rain Badge, Dynamo Badge

Sinnoh: Mine Badge

'''Similar in the case but not exact:'''

Marsh Badge

Plain Badge

Also, later when they are about to leave Mismagius, there are badges raining from the sky. Some of these are also different.

Noteworthy, maybe. If someone wants to put this in be my guest but I don't want to do it myself. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 04:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

: There's a Bagde that looks like a Rain Badge in between the Knuckle and Hive Badge...--[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 09:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Gary and Otoshi's Badges ==

Since Kanto and Johto both have the same league, wouldn't that mean that these extra badges aren't necesarily only from Kanto, but can be from Johto as well. It was proven by [[Sakura]], who was going to the Indigo League, that one does not need to get all eight from only one region, but they can get any ratio of eight throughout the two regions. So, couldn't these be from Johto as well, even though Johto didn't exist when they were seen? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura didn't specify which competition she was entering. As far as we know from Ash's journey, the Kanto badges work at the Indigo Plateau and he needed to collect another eight from Johto before he could enter the Silver Conference. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relic Badge ==

I think it may be a rosary of some sort, especially since the Hearthome Gym is a huge cathedral and the word "{{wp|relic}}" has religious or sacred connotations.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gary's badges ==

In the section "Gary" of the article it states "This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types" Where does this figure of fifteen come from? There were sixteen Pokemon types in Generation I; Dark was the only type not to have any Pokemon named after it (easy to find a Pokemon of each type: Rattata, Machop, Pidgey, Koffing, Sandshrew, Geodude, Caterpie, Gastly, Magnemite, Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, Alakazam, Jynx and Dratini for example). If the sentence is referring to only single-types then it would be much less than 15 as there certainly weren't any single-typed Dark, Ice or Steel Pokemon (and maybe more) in Generation I. So I think the sentence is inaccurate. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Gen1 had fifteen types. Gen2 had 17. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Steel is the other one. Magnemite changed type in Generation II, and so wasn't Steel-type in Generation I. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 23:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Marsh and Soul and Renaming, oh my! ==
So, Sabrina's badge was originally going to be the Soul Badge, because Psychickers can peer into your soul... and Koga's badge was going to be the Marsh Badge, because Poisonous fumes come from marshes and such. These were accidentally flipped in the final version, and have stuck even in Gen II and the Gen III remakes. Eevee is not Eon, and Abra is not Hocus. But we still mention that before the official release, Eevee was going to be called Eon and Abra Hocus and Kadabra Pocus and such. Why don't we mention this flip-flop then? Especially considering the fact that it was a mistake, rather than a purposeful decision? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:We have sources for unused Pokemon names. Do you have any source for the badge naming? Who says that one was supposed to be the other? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not offhand, but I could probably find some. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in a discussion with NoA or PUSA at some point. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please do. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I've always thought this myself. I also wonder if the shapes were switched too, since hearts have more to do with soul than circles, and I guess a double-rimmed circle could vaguely represent some area such as marsh.[[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Even if the shapes and names were swapped, the colors definitely weren't. Pink for Fuschia and Yellow for Saffron. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== Polishing... ==

I don't see that info anywhere... or maybe no one has noticed. You can actually polish your badges in DP (and I think also in Pt) and make them shine. Where should it be put? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm surprised it's not in the article; it's a pretty fun new aspect to the badges. Oh wait, YES IT IS. Check under Sinnoh League. It's mentioned there. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dive ==

In the trivia it says that Dive "cannot be used or obtained without trading in Kanto." This implies that it can be USED in Kanto, I wasn't aware of this, but if this is not the case, perhaps it could be better phrased as "cannot be obtained without trading or used in Kanto" Sorry if I'm wrong as this is an observation from memories of the game rather than from concrete knowledge. - [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== More than eight gyms... ==

This article says, a few times, that the anime characters having new badges implies that there are more than eight badges in the region. Should we rephrase it to include something about it being anime cannon? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 22:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disorganization ==

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this page is horribly messy and practically illegible? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think so too... Maybe we could make a table... Something like:

:{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="1"
|Name
|Image
|Location
|HM Allowed
|Obeying Level
|Stat Raised
|Leader
|-
|Boulder Badge
|[[image:boulder Badge.png|60px]]
|Pewter City
|Flash
|10
|Attack
|Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|Cascade Badge
|[[image:cascade Badge.png|50px]]
|Cerulean City
|Cut
|30
|None
|Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|}

:Something like that, just... well, prettier... --{{u|Mr. Charlie}} 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It's certainly more easy on the eyes. The only problem is that every badge does a combination of HM/Stat/Level, so the listing would have to be adjusted to fit. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::The idea is to make a single table to include every badge, or at least on table per region. That way al the information would be organized in he same place. I modified the one above to include the Cascade Badge and added a new column to the obeying level for traded Pokémon. I would do it myself, but I suck at making tables...-- {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 20:21, 23 March 2009
:::I've tried to make a table, tell me what you think. I've put it in a spoiler because it's kinda big... It still needs links and stuff and I've only made for the Kanto League Badges, but the basic idea is there.
{|class="expandable"
|-
!align="left"|Here it is.
|-
|
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; width=700px cellspacing="1"; height=500px
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Name'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Image'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Location '''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''HM Allowed'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Obeying Level'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Stat Raised'''
|align=center ; width=100px cellspacing="1" | '''Leader'''
|-
|align=center | Boulder Badge
|align=center | [[image:boulder Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Pewter City
|align=center | Flash
|align=center | 10
|align=center | Attack
|align=center | Brock {{tt|Flint|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lola|Anime Only}} {{tt|Forrest|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Cascade Badge
|align=center | [[image:cascade Badge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Cerulean City
|align=center | Cut
|align=center | 30
|align=center | None
|align=center | Misty {{tt|Daisy|Anime Only}} {{tt|Violet|Anime Only}} {{tt|Lily|Anime Only}}
|-
|align=center | Thunder Badge
|align=center | [[image:thunder Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Vermilion City
|align=center | Fly
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Speed
|align=center | Lt. Surge
|-
|align=center | Rainbow Badge
|align=center | [[image:rainbow Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Celadon City
|align=center | Strenght
|align=center | 50
|align=center | None
|align=center | Erika
|-
|align=center | Soul Badge
|align=center | [[image:soul Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Fuschia City
|align=center | Surf
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Defense
|align=center | {{tt|Koga|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Janine|Generation II}}
|-
|align=center | Marsh Badge
|align=center | [[image:marsh Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | {{tt|Rock Smash|Generation III}}
|align=center | 70
|align=center | None
|align=center | Sabrina
|-
|align=center | Volcano Badge
|align=center | [[image:volcano Badge.png|60px]]
|align=center | Cinnabar City
|align=center | {{tt|Waterfall|Generation III}}
|align=center | <nowiki>--</nowiki>
|align=center | Special
|align=center | Blaine
|-
|align=center | Earth Badge
|align=center | [[image:earth Badge.png|40px]]
|align=center | Saffron City
|align=center | None
|align=center | 100
|align=center | None
|align=center | {{tt|Giovanni|Generation I and III}} {{tt|Blue|Generation II}} {{tt|Jessie, James and Meowth|Anime Only}} {{tt|Agatha|Anime Only}}
|}
|}

[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 04:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:While I commend your efforts, condensing an entire article into a table is not the best way to reorganize a page. I'll look into this.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

::Quite good but only if we can put in the sprites of Gymleaders instead of just names. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 04:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I shall try making one with -moz-border-radius.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

:::: See [[User:Force Fire/Sandbox|mine.]]--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Hey! I've got an inquiry. I've got all the sprites of all the current known badges, and to make my collection complete, I was wondering if some of Bulbapedia's top sprites could try their hand at spriting all the unknown badges on this page? Possible? [[User:QTR|QTR]] 18:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==Raised stat==
For the Kanto badges, what does it mean "raised stat"? [[User:Pandamonia|Pandamonia]] 11:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:A specific [[stat]] of each and every Pokémon you own is raised by a certain degree upon obtaining the relevant badge. And new comments to bottom please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== Mailing In Badges ==

Don't you think that there should be a website where fans could e-mail in their ideas for leaders, gyms & badges. You know, and the best ones could get picked for the anime. --[[User:Eevoi|Eevoi]] 18:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:Problem is, with the exception of the ones in the [[Orange Archipelago]], every single gym and badge that's been shown in the anime is one featured in the handheld video games. If such an idea were to be implemented, it would be for the video games, not for the anime. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hahahaha, right, sure, funny. Good one. Game Freak's known to be incredibly secretive with their ideas, and fans tend to come up with ''really, really dumb'' ideas. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Badges as mind-control ==

I seem to recall at least one instance in the Special manga where Pikachu or another Pokemon was at least subtly influenced by the badges. I believe the gym leaders also described them as having the power to control Pokemon, possibly around the Silph Co. battle arc... Does anyone know of a specific instance of this being stated? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
: The way I recall it (Though mind you it's been a while isnce I've read the RBG arc), the badges alone don't control Pokémon in Special. But when put in the Badge Energy Amplifier, that's when it is able to control Pokémon within a specific radius.
:: Yes, that makes more sense. I vaguely recall an instance of Pikachu being manipulated by Red or another person, but it may not have been badge-related or even in the manga. I did find several scans that confirm that badges do in fact manipulate Pokemon to a degree, but whether this is generally or only in conjunction with each other due the BEA is unclear. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 10:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Badge Cases ==

Are there any plans to insert images of the badge cases from Sinnoh, Johto and Kanto? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 04:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Examination of the dream badge case ==

I just examined the badge case from Ash's dreams and I found that he has 8 Kanto badges (Boulder Badge, Cascade Badge, Thunder Badge, Soul Badge, Marsh Badge, 2 volcano Badges, and an Earth Badge) All 8 Johto Badges, 3 Hoenn badges (Stone Badge, Knuckle Badge, and Balance badge) 7 Sinnoh badges (Coal Badge, Forest Badge, Cobble Badge, Fen Badge, Relic Badge, Icicle Badge, and Beacon Badge) as well as 15 unknown badges.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]] 03:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Already done [[Talk:Badge#Mismagius|here]] ^look up there^ ;) ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== Suggestion; ==

"Highest level of
obeying Pokémon: N/A" Instead of N/A, wouldn't it make more sense to use the same level as the previous one? It's not like the privilege of the obeying Pokemon is taken away.. It doesn't say it ''gives'' that level, it just says that it's the highest level of obeying Pokemon.. Consider it? >.> --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 21:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:For future reference, in case anyone brings this point up again, this suggestion doesn't work on one major principle: the obedience of the traded pokémon is directly controlled by the badged a player has. Meaning, if I skipped Sabrina (whose badge grants obedience to pokémon up to level 70) leaving me with only obedience at level 50 (Rainbow Badge), then if I went to fight Blaine (whose order is after Sabrina), my traded pokémon would still stop obeying me once it reached level 51 despite having a superior badge from a trainer stronger than Sabrina. Without the Marsh badge, they will still disobey. These are the abilities granted by a gym badge itself, not simply something that happens with a certain amount of gyms defeated. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Two badges not mentioned ==

There are two known badges not mentioned, though they aren't gym badges they still connect to the Pokemon League in the anime. One badge is the Exam badge that works like all 8 would normally. It was shown in an episode and looks like a red boulder badge with a giant P in the middle. The second badge missing is the one giving to Ash when the Pokemon League ended after his loss to Richie.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 05:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

==League Champion Badge==
In HGSS, you get a special badge after beating the elite four; it fills that circle in your case. There's another one for the Kanto league. How come none of these are mentioned? Due they even have names? I would put it in myself, but I haven't been able to find any info. --[[User:TrainerRoland|TrainerRoland]] 18:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:New comments go to the bottom of the page, thanks. See the (+) button at the top of the page? It creates new sections for you. I can't answer your question though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gary and other ideas ==

Part of the article I have ideas about improving:
Gary Oak acquired more than the standard eight Kanto League badges, thus leading to confusion as to whether or not there is an infinite number of badges that can be given out in a given region. By The Battle of the Badge, he is shown to have at least ten badges, only 3 of which correspond to known Kanto league badges, suggesting there are at least fifteen gyms in Kanto. This would, therefore, provide one gym for each of the (at the time) fifteen types. Among these may include the Fighting Dojo, a gym shown to be defunct by Pokémon Red and Blue.

When I first saw the anime episode which is described in this section of the article ( I saw the episode long before I ever read this article) I immediatly thought that Gary recived the badges from other regions (possibly regions that are still unknown as of today) and that the Pokemon League (at least in Kanto) did not care which badges you have as long as you have 8. Also on the subject of more than 8 gym badges in Kanto, there were examples of cites in anime (in Kanto) which were not in the games (such as the city in which Ash got his Muk, if I not mistaken)leading a viewer to believe that there could be many more cities (and gym badges) in the region. I would be glad to hear input from others on these ideas (and people to confirm I am making correct episode references)and if anybody thinks any of these ideas deserve to go in the article.[[User:Tough_guy22|Tough_guy22]] 19:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:You mean everything except the first few paragraphs in the {{DL|Badge|In the anime}} section? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::Please clairify, im not quite sure what your question is. [[User:Tough_guy22|Tough_guy22]] 19:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Nevermind, I misread your post. It has been implied in the anime that the badges only work in one region (as Ash must collect 8 new badges in each region, although this didn't happen until a bit after that episode), and so others must have come from gyms and cities not in the games. Maybe it should be summarised in a paragraph in the section before it turns into a big list with no introduction? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the reason I thought that Gary's badges were from a different region was largly because of the fact that the episode took place in Viridan city, which as we know is connected to the walking route that goes to and from Johto. Would you agree with me that the fact that there are "anime only" cities should be mentioned in the article as a possible reason for there being more that 8 Kanto badges?? ([[User:Tough guy22|Tough guy22]] 02:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::Yes, it probably should. What should also be mentioned it that there are badges in the anime that aren't in the games (and I mean it should be mentioned outside the character subsections), and that there is thought to be a gym for each type in every region, due to the number of different badges. At the moment it just talks about the badges and then launches into sections for each character. I feel that it looks a little out of place, and the character sections need an introduction of sorts to explain them. That introduction would be the perfect place for this stuff. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:The character Gary is protrayed to be likely would have fought the harder gyms if there were in fact 15 gyms in Kanto. Whereas Ash simiply fought the gyms in the cities he went to. It is possible that with Gary being related to Professor Oak he knew more about where stuff is and more cities (as Professor Oak supposedly traveled all over when he was young). Are you good enough that you could change the article, or do you know somebody who is kinda "in charge" of this article??? ([[User:Tough guy22|Tough guy22]] 02:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC))
::As far as I know there isn't anyone "in charge" of this article. I've got something I need to do just now, so it'll be a bit more than an hour until I can get to it. You can try editing it if you like. I'm sure once an edit is made to the article everyone watching the recent changes will come along and help. Or you could post it here and get opinions. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, i've rearranged the section and extended a paragraph to include some of that stuff. I haven't included that Gary may have deliberately chosen harder gyms, or known where the harder gyms were from Professor Oak, as that falls under the speculation category and speculation is (generally) not allowed. I've put in what I think works without becoming speculation and left the rest out. Modify it if you don't like it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== 28 different gyms ==

How did you count 28? Ash's 8 + Gary's(10-3) + Otoshi's(8-4) + unknown trainer's 8 is 27 ,guys. {{unsigned|Domenc}}

== Icicle Badge problem ==

The new Icicle Badge in Isshu displays the image for the Sinnoh badge called Icicle Badge in English. The Isshu one should probably say "Icicle Badge (Isshu)" or something like that until the English name is revealed. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 10:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Cinnabar before Olivine? ==

So I got the Cinnabar badge before I got the Olivine badge when playing SS, so what does that mean in regards to the badge privileges for the Olivine badge? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 23:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:Are you sure you mean Cinnabar and Olivine there? Because you can't get to Kanto until you have all eight Johto badges. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I mean't to say Mahogany Town, not Cinnabar.
:Even then you need to defeat Jasmine and Team Rocket in order for the Mahogany Gym to be accessible. You can get to Mahogany Town but that's about it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
No, I definitely beat the Gym before I beat her. There was a gap between my badges. It said I had the 5th one and the 7th one but not the 6th. How did I do that? :/
Crap. I forgot to sign again. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 00:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:I got Storm and Glacier before Mineral in both my JP HG and my US SS. It's possible, but NOT Cinnabar/Volcano. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 00:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::I think the way it works is you can get the Mahogany gym badge before the Olivine one, but you have to beat Jasmine before you can fight Team Rocket in the Radio Tower. I've done it all the time when I sometimes forget to fight Jasmine after I get the Fly HM. Not sure if you can beat Pryce before Chuck, though. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::When I first played Silver I got to Mahogany via Mt. Mortar and I ended up beating Pryce and Clair then wondering why the heck I only had 6 badges. Then I realized there was stuff ''West'' of Ecruteak. ^^; [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::::You sure about that one? That guys blocks of Route 44 until after Team Rocket is defeated at the Radio Tower. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ah you're probably right. I must have wondered why he won't let me pass when I realized I had yet to battle Jasmine and Chuck. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::...Anyway, does this mean that, if you don't want the TM Jasmine gives, beating her is just a waste of time? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 19:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Nope, because you need to beat her for Team Rocket to attack the Radio Tower, and you can't get to Blackthorn without defeating Team Rocket there. Anyway, even if you could, you can't get into the Pokémon League without all eight badges. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. Herp derp. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 23:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Badges affect how much money is lost in battle ==

When losing a battle in the games, the amount of money the player loses depends somehow on the number of badges the player has. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 22:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[Black out#Effects|According to this it has nothing to do with badges]]. You may just be noticing the effects of level increasing as the game is progressed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::Actually, you must have only skimmed that page, but it does mention that badges have an effect there. They determine your base payout. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

== Basic Badge ==

Someone put [[Cheren]] under "Others in the games". --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 00:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:I tried to and it was quickly removed. Rather silly if you ask me, we know for a fact that he gives out the Basic Badge. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 17:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I agree, but I guess that was done until further info is released, though it seems like it has been confirmed that he gives it out in [[Black and White 2]]. ---[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 05:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I agree. Considering that B2W2 is coming out in 11 days in Japan, can't we put him in the others to give out the badge?--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] ([[User talk:Pokemon26|talk]]) 17:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:Not yet because we are probably going to have to have another template for the gym leaders in BW2 and Cheren will go in there. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Mine Badge Shovel Shape ==

I think it should be added that the three rocks also make up the head of a spade (shovel) which is what Byron carries. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 11:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:I don't see the resemblance. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Maybe seeing it side by side? [[File:Diamond Pearl Byron.png|250 px]][[File:Mine Badge.png|80 px]]
[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 12:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Nope, still don't see it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I do see what you mean. However, whereas the corners of Byron's shovel ends in a upward point, the 'shovel's spade' on the badge curls downwards, and the points are rounded. It was a good point to make, though, and I never would have seen it unless you pointed it out. ^-^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::::: @ (politically correct term) Littleperson123: All shovels and Spades are different, Plus his Shovel is slanted towards the viewer and the one on the badge is only rounded because the pick axes are covering it at the corners.

::::: @ Jo the Martian: You're telling me you can't see it? Ok, try this: Imagine a shovel head, then take three pick axes, arrange them over the shove head like how you see in the picture and you got the Mine badge's design.

::::: If you still can't see it, at least acknowledge and consider the possibility since most of the badges make references to the Gym leader's locations, personalities, props and/or designs.

::::: I know we all take in visual info different, thus we see different patterns and things even if we're staring at the same thing.

::::: Coal Badge = Miner's hat like Roark's helmet. Yet some see a bolder and a Pokéball.
::::: Forest Badge = Trees and I'm not affraid to say this, but Gardenia is a tree hugger type.
::::: Cobble Badge = Cobble stone/Brick yet to some it looks like a tatami mat.
::::: Fen Badge = Crasher Wake's Mask. Yet somehow people see grey reeds on a lake instead of crystal blue water with a "wake" and "crashing wave." Or the very least Fins sense Fen and Fin sound so much alike.
::::: Relic Badge = Fantina's Drifblim cross inspired hair (somehow O,o.; )
::::: Mine Bade = 3 pick axes and a shovel/spade like Byron's Shovel. Yet to some it looks like 3 pick axes with 3 stones in the voids.
::::: Icicle/Glacier Badge = Iceberg with icy water gracing it's bottom. Yet to some it looks like two icy mountains (when depending on how i follow the points it can look like 3-5 mountains) also to some extent it could look like an upside down group of Icicles.
::::: Beacon Badge = Shinning Beacon, kind of like on a tall Radio Tower or the cooling towers of a power pant. The shape of the badge is even triangular like a stereotypical radio tower, however to some the badge looks like a light house.

::::: It all depends on a number of factors, your knowledge/intelligence (not putting anyone down) and how keen your eye is are major factors. To some, especially those who don't know Bulbadsaur (<-knowledge) the Bulbapedia logo might look like a green colored Onion or an unopened flower. Of course its obviously the Bulb from a Bulbasaur. Howerver, still some people might see that but miss the Pokéball design integrated into the logo.

::::: Looking at Crasher Wake's picture, I can't help but notice he vaguely looks like Gyarados. The way he has his mouth constantly open. His hair looks like Gyarados' fins, and the shape and angle they make mixed with his Mask's middle strap looks like Gyarados' 3-point Crest.

::::: I guarantee you that the Mine Badge having a shovel shape is not as out there as the Relic Badge looking like Fantina's Drifblim cross inspired hair. Its all about a persons prospective.

::::: Now I'd like to take this time to state I'm not trying to cause trouble or call anyone out with debating this with my less than graceful approach. I have trouble expressing what I want to say, and it often gets me in trouble with people. I just thought it was beast to clear that up given a few past experiences and the various horror stories I've heard about wikis which kept me at a distance for almost most of the time wikis have existed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 13:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm very well aware of what the head of a shovel and spade look like. But I'm still staying with the shapes being so undefined that it could be anything, but the more likely thing would be rocks, or ores. Since that's what happens when you mine with a pickax: Rocks and ore tumble out of the earth. If there were more defined handles, maybe, but just the head I find unlikely. Even the pickaxes have handles still attached to them. I think you're just being a little too hopeful. Also, Crasher Wake's hair looks nothing like Gyarados. It's just a little tuff on top of his head. The white things you're referring to are part of his mask. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::::::: The comment on what they look like was directed at '''LittleMidget123'''. The pick axes only have handles because they're faced in wards pointing out. Also the Pick axes are the handles for the shovel(s) depending on which angle you come at. There are 4 Shovel heads, each stone is a shovel head, with the pick axe handle as its handle. all three then make a large shovel head. The large Shove head has the pick axe handle as the little ridge where the handle is wedged into the shovel blade. What do you mean too hopeful? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 14:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
You left the message for me too.

''"@ Jo the Martian: You're telling me you can't see it? Ok, try this: Imagine a shovel head, then take three pick axes, arrange them over the shove head like how you see in the picture and you got the Mine badge's design."''

And by too hopeful, I meant you're too determined to prove something that isn't there. I'd also prefer you spelled my name correctly. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I was trying to get you to imagine how you would see a shovel. Also I woke up 10 am EST Monday Morning, I spent all day working on commissions, reviews and other art and word stuff. I haven't even been to bed yet. it is now 11 am EST Tuesday Morning and still I'm not tired. However, a simple and innocent spelling error will happen when you're up 25 hours no matter if you're tired or not.

There are multiple constructs to this badge. You have to look at all the pieces to see the bigger picture. If I asked you if you see a shield, do you think you can see it?

Pieces: Byron has a shovel, He mines, he has a Bastiodon which is basically a shield. Put it all together you get the mine badge.

Picture: The pick axes are pick axes, and they are also the handles and outline line art of multiple shovels and one big shovel head/shield. Not only do the shovel heads make up a shield, so does the entire badge.

Maybe we should get some fresher eyes on this and ask what they think. Kenji girls seems like a level headed candidate, what do you say? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not seeing shovel heads in the Mine Badge either. I can see the shape you're assuming to be shovel heads, but they simply make no sense in being shovel heads rather than being rocks/ore. Their color is extremely wrong for a shovel head, their shape isn't proper for a shovel head as they're too wide and broadly angled, and they're not remotely as defined as the pickaxes are. You're looking too deeply for things that really just aren't there. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

::Isolate the middle Pickaxe and middle brown patch, that is the first shovel. Never mind that it's not the exact shape you think of when you thank of a shovel head. When it comes to a pikachu's tail, does a thunderbolt shape not appear in your mind? Ok, now for the big shovel head, look at the shape all three brown patches make, ignore the pickaxe intersection, that is one giant shovel head and it doubles as a shield. (like the one Link from LOZ has)

:: Because of how it is designed, you can make a shovel and shield which ever way you turn it. This gives you 3 pickaxes, 3 shoves, 1 shovel head/ 1 shield. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 16:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:::On the same note, the Boulder Badge seems a lot more like the top of a cut diamond. And the Trio Badge '''does not''' look like an ear of corn. [[User:Pringles|''プリングルズ/'']][[User talk:Pringles|品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 03:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: Who wrote these? At the very least the Trio Badge looks like a bow tie like what all three brothers wear.

:::: Also here's a picture that outlines where I see the shovel and shield shape. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 03:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

== Trio Badge = Bowtie ==

Just bringing this up as I saw others talking about it. I agree with them, the Trio Badge does not resemble an ear of corn. Turn it to the side and it clearly resembles a bow tie, which all three leaders wear. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 15:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:I can kind of see both, simply because it's yellow around the "kernels". I admit it's not exactly like an ear of corn, it's a bit more stylized. But I'm indifferent on the argument. If it changes, I don't mind. If it stays, I don't mind. Or hey, we could even say it's corn, and a bowtie. Btw, if anyone asks where corn even came from, the triplet's Japanese names are based on corn. Dent (corn), Corn, and Pod (corn). [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:: I can see shovel(s) and I can see a shield in the Mine Badge, but I can't see a ear of corn in the Trio Badge. Maybe at the most, the only thing I can see other than a obvious bow tie is a fancy corn chucker knife. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 02:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
::: Can someone change it? I think it's fair to say that t is not shaped like a kernel of corn. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 20:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::: Only an admin can change it since the article is locked...hint hint Jo, we commoners lack your power here....for we would abuse it by making it rain Politoads. (sorry, I'm on one of my insomnia kicks...almost put amnesia and then i got amnesia on what I meant to say and then spelled in''amesia'', in''anemia'' and then ansomnia instead of Insomnia)
::::: Although it doesn't look like a ear of corn, I have to say it might look like a Pea'''''pod''''' with three peas. Sometimes the Peapod hugs the peas and makes a shape like that (albeit more rounded.) well i am off to go to bed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 14:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::: So admin... please change this? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 21:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

== Gen V merger ==

Since the information in the two badge tables for Gen V largely repeats itself, I think it could be better if their contents were merged into one template? The example's below for anyone who agrees or disagrees to have a look at.
{{bdg/h|Unova|10|Unova}}
{{bdg|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=grass|1=fire|2=water}}|Trio|トライバッジ|Tri|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=Cilan|1=Chili|2=Cress}}|Striaton City|og=[[{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=Chili|1=Cress|2=Cilan}}]] and [[{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=Cress|1=Cilan|2=Chili}}]]|oa=[[{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=Chili|1=Cress|2=Cilan}}]] and [[{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 3}}|0=Cress|1=Cilan|2=Chili}}]]|lvl=20|It is shaped like a bow tie, similar to those worn by the Striaton Gym Leaders. It may also bear a resemblance to an opened pea pod, which contains two large peas; one green and one blue, with a smaller red pea at the center.|The Gym Leader faced depends on the starter Pokémon the player chose. Obtainable in Black and White only.}}
{{bdg|normal|Basic|ベーシックバッジ|Basic|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Lenora|1=Cheren}}|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Nacrene|1=Aspertia}} City|og={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Cheren{{sup/5|B2W2}}|1=Lenora{{sup/5|BW}}}}|oa={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Cheren|1=Lenora}}|lvl=20{{sup/5|B2W2}}/Lv. 30{{sup/5|BW}}|It is shaped like a purple spine of a book, similar to those found in libraries.|This is the second Badge in Black and White, but the first in Black 2 and White 2.}}
{{bdg|poison|Toxic|トキシックバッジ|Toxic|Roxie|Virbank City|lvl=30|It is shaped likes a smoke signal with four small purple circles line up to a poison mark.|Obtainable in Black 2 and White 2 only.}}
{{bdg|bug|Insect|ビートルバッジ|Beetle|Burgh|Castelia City|lvl=40|It is shaped like a green heart divided into three parts or the wings and body of an insect.}}
{{bdg|electric|Bolt|ボルトバッジ|Bolt|Elesa|Nimbasa City|lvl=50|It is shaped like a lightning bolt or a {{p|Pikachu}} or {{p|Emolga}} tail, with an orange crown sticking out of the tip.}}
{{bdg|ground|Quake|クェイクバッジ|Quake|Clay|Driftveil City|lvl=60|It is shaped like a vertical piece of earth, the top half of which has cracked and slid out of place, resembling the result of an earthquake.}}
{{bdg|flying|Jet|ジェットバッジ|Jet|Skyla|Mistralton City|lvl=70|It is shaped like a stylized feather, with a soaring bird at the bottom.}}
{{bdg|ice|Freeze|アイシクルバッジ|Icicle|Brycen|Icirrus City|lvl=80|It is shaped like three white icicles.|Obtainable in Black and White only.}}
{{bdg|dragon|Legend|レジェンドバッジ|Legend|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Drayden|1=Iris}}|Opelucid City|og={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Iris{{sup/5|W}}|1=Drayden{{sup/5|Bl}}{{sup/5|B2W2}}}}|lvl=80{{sup/5|B2W2}}/Lv. 100{{sup/5|BW}}|It is shaped like a dragon's head with the snout pointing downwards, or a medieval mace.|This is the eighth Badge in Black and White, but the seventh in Black 2 and White 2.}}
{{bdg|water|Wave|ウェーブバッジ|Wave|Marlon|Humilau City|lvl=100|It is shaped like a raindrop with waves in it.|Obtainable in Black 2 and White 2 only.}}
|}

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
:They're separate because it makes it clear which badges are in which game. With a list of ten like that, the header implies that all ten have to be obtained in order to get to the league, and the only evidence to the contrary is buried at the end of the notes text, where it's highly likely to be missed. Combining them like that would make the page unclear. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

== Nando's Badges? ==

The article says that Nando has three unknown badges, two of which match Barry's three unknown badges. However, the picture of Nando's badge case shows the Icicle Badge, the Coal Badge, the Forest Badge, the Cobble Badge, the Relic Badge, a space for the Mine Badge and two of Barry's unknown badges. Where's his third unknown? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 09:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
:The fact that his Badge case shows a space for the Mine Badge is rendered moot considering he has two Badges that aren't in-game. That's the unknown Badge. The one we never see. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
::All that means is that we don't know for sure what badge fits that space. Saying he definitely has three anime-exclusive badges is highly misleading. [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 23:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== Iceburg Badge ==
Seems kinda silly the page is locked but... Anyway, the Iceburg badge also has water inside of it. Seriously. Watch carefully and you can see moving waves inside. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 23:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Psychic Badge ==

Basis: It is shaped like a Crystal Ball with mystical smoke coming out from it.--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 02:51, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Basis: I would have said it was based on incense billowing up from a censer. [[User:Luprand|Luprand]] ([[User talk:Luprand|talk]]) 02:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

== Badges In Real Life Section? ==

I actually came to this page, because I was hoping to figure out where to buy badges online (since other pages with items link to realistic merchandise or at least mention it exists, such as the Ash's Hat page). An online retailer named Sanshee.com has the first five generations of badges for sale as pins (some have slight coloring errors, but mostly realistic):

Gen. 1 Badges (Sold-Out):
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-generation-1

Gen. 2 Badges (Sold-Out):
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-gen-2

Gen. 3 Badges (Sold-Out):
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-gen-3

Gen. 4 Badges (Sold-Out) (Mine Badge seems to have a major coloring error):
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-gen-4

Gen. 5 Badges:
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-gen-5

Gen. 5 Expansion (Sold-Out):
http://sanshee.com/store/product/gym-badges-gen-5-addon

--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 02:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:If we were to put a merchandise section on this page (which will happen if all things go well), it'll only acknowledge officially licensed badges, which do actually exist. As far as i can find on that website, the badges they have aren't official. Most badges are available through either [[Pokémon Center (store)|Pokémon Center]] campaigns or {{TCG|Pokémon League}}. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== Red/Blue Gym Glitch (Add To Trivia If Possible) ==

Due to a Glitch in Red/Blue The First Badge Can Be SKIPPED. However, You'll Need The Boulderbadge to Go to the final gym...

This Comment Was Signed By Fireflower30 Because I Have NO IDEA HOW TO SIGN MY USERNAME.
:It's not really relevant to this page. The glitch is noted on [[List of glitches in Generation I]] though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

== Question ==

Since the badges in the Game Boy Color games boost the attacks of their gym's type, what boost does the Earth Badge give?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 15:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:HM

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== HM Usage Requirements ==

Requirements for each game should be listed here - I mean the required badges. These are listed on some of the HMs' Move pages, but only a few. So I propose we put all of these requirements here on this page, for ease of access. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, there's separate pages for the actual HMs (separate from the moves). Still, the moves themselves should have the badge requirements too. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Wrong side of barrier ==
"The reason for this is a player can be stuck on the wrong side of a barrier, for example a smashable rock, without the appropriate HM move."
:I can understand the idea of being trapped on a side of a smashable rock, but there's something wrong with it. To get on the wrong side, you'd need a Pokemon that knows the right HM Move. To have it, you'd (obviously) need the HM. Even if the Pokemon forgot the move, you can reuse HMs, and reteach it. I suppose if you traded for, say, Cut in FRLG, you could be trapped, but that is the exception, not the norm. That was lengthy, especially since nobody will probably read this.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 21:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::Still, the creators probably thought it through for that sort of thing to not happen. And plus, in Gen 1 (not sure about any other gens) you could put an HM in the item box... and then you'd really be screwed. --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 01:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

== Where to use. ==

After hearing of HG/SS turning Whirlpool back into an HM I began to search to see if it was going to be required to get further into the game such as moves like Surf and Waterfall. I couldn't find anything. I was wondering if each HM page could have a section on where the HM is required to be used in each game, kind of like which route would require which HM to procede. Is this possible or would it not be allowed? Are there already pages with this information? Just wondering.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 14:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Non-HM Compatible ==

I noticed that the [[lake guardians]] were non-HM-compatible. Barring those that are non-TM-compatible, which others are non-HM compatible? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 06:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think there are any... But that's lazy ol' me. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 06:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

::All one would need to do is to take on a tedious task of looking through all the compatability lists...for each generation, and even between games taking place in different [[Country|countries]] in the case of [[HM05]] in [[Generation IV]] or between {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}} and {{v2|Yellow}} in [[Generation I]]. Remember, a Pokémon that may not be compatible with any HMs in one generation may be compatible with at least one in another. {{p|Butterfree}}, for example, wasn't compatible with any HMs until Yellow when it became compatible with [[HM05]] (then {{m|Flash}}), yet again became incompatible with any HM in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} when the aformentioned HM05 (now teaching {{m|Defog}} in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}) had its move and compatability list changed for {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. (For the record, Butterfree is still compatible with the [[TM70]] version of Flash.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== Generation III migration ==

Should it be noted that even though Flash is not an HM move in Generation IV, it must still be deleted from Pokémon in the Generation III games before they can be transferred to Generation IV games? I have tested this multiple times. Dive is likely the same. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 14:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason they get kept is so that you don't get locked into or out of an area in Generation III. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Umm? ==

Now that we know the badges require to use the Generation V HMs, can't we input the info?--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 06:29, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:There is no reason why you can't. Wikis are made for editing. Go edit. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::And if whoever updates this page could also add them to the individual HM pages that would be nice. The parameter is ''badge5'' although if the Icicle badge is needed for one of them then the template will need to be edited for it to work properly. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== HMs needed: Yes or No? ==

I can't check first hand, but various users are claiming you need the badges to use HMs in Black and White, while others on this site are saying you don't. Which is it? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:You definatley need the badges HM, ha, thats funny this in is the HM page and your somtimes called HM [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 21:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Unova Badges ==

Is it now ok to remove what badges are need to use the HMs in Unova. There is no mention in-game of them allowing the use of HMs, and I've even used Strength before beating Elesa. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Usage in anime ==

This page states that Ash's Grotle was the first Pokémon of the main cast to use a HM that was current (which I believe means that it was current in the generation it was used), but Tracey's Scyther used Cut before that, in Showdown at the Oak Corral, if I'm not mistaking...
Cut has been an HM since forever, and Scyther used it earlier, but it wasn't in the main series.
Opinions? [[User:Hoolo|Hoolo]] 14:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== HM's in GenV ==

Is there really anything differentiating HM's from TM's in Gen V? All TM's are reusable, and there are ones that act outside of battle, like Dig. Is it just the "Unforgettable" nature of HM's now? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 15:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yes. '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 06:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

== Incomplete? ==

Can someone enlighten me as to why this article is "incomplete"? '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 06:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

== Badge requirements and Gen V ==

"badges are required to use some of the Hidden Machines in the games as the player can not access the events where they receive certain HMs until a Gym Leader has been defeated."

Has this actually be tested by trading over a Pokemon with the HM to use them? The way I see it, the inability to receive the TM before getting the badge does not make it's use restricted, but rather, the game preventing you from using the move on the field (like it did in Gens I-IV) to be the true sign of a badge/HM restriction. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 00:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
:You're right, but there is no need to change anything because the exact part you quoted explains everything. '''--'''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|'''LimeGreen''''''''Charizard''''']]'''--''' 02:54, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
::It doesn't though. The big question is do the badges actually allow the use of HM moves, as in earlier generations, or not? If you were to trade, say, a Frillish knowing Surf to someone who had just got the ability to trade (Shortly after the Striaton Gym, well before you can get Surf in game), would they be able to use that Frillish to surf on route 1? In previous generations, where you had to actually posess the relevant badge, they could not. If they can, it has changed in generation V and the article is incorrect. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
:::There are no badge requirements. I've once traded something over with Surf just after getting the C-Gear before and was able to get on to Route 17 and 18. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 06:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 ==

On the description, it is referred to as "Hidden <TM number> <TM name>". Do we need redirects or anything? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== PP Replenishment in Generations 5 and 6 ==

The '''[[TM]] page''' says that "unlike in Generation V, when a Pokémon learns a move from a TM or HM by overwriting an old one, the new move is learned with full PP, instead of taking on the current PP of the forgotten move." However, the '''[[HM]] article''' says that "When a move is replaced by an HM, the HM move takes on the current PP of the replaced move until healed or replenished. The same also applies for replacing old moves with TMs." (thus retaining the same mechanic that Generation 5 had) Which variant is correct?

Also, in Generation 5, by "current [[PP]] of the forgotten move", is this statement meant as "the percentage of PP that the old move had"? For example, if you overwrote the move {{m|Fire Blast}} (having been reduced to 2 PP out of 5 PP) with the 15-PP {{m|Surf}}, would Surf have 40% of its usual PP (thus being 6 PP out of 15 PP)? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
:The HM article may not have been updated with Generation VI mechanics, though I can't check to see if it truly is different in Gen VI. For your second question, it means exactly what it says: the current PP of the forgotten move, so if you overwrite 2 PP Fire Blast with Surf, Surf will have 2 PP. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:00, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

So I've been playing with FRLG, and I've hacked Fly to be Poison-type. To my surprise, it actually displayed proper sprite. I've been changing the type, and although we have yet to have HMs of most of the types, the sprite was still there. (??? uses Normal-type sprite, though). [http://i.imgur.com/z2vt5NC.png There was even a sprite for Bug-type move], although there was no Bug-type TM back then. Tried in Emerald, but sprites seem to be hardcoded, unlike here. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 08:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

== Disinformation ==

The Trivia says Rock Smash is the only HM move with a Unique type among them, But Fly is the only Flying type HM move. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:58, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Shamus

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== Should it... ==
Should it be noted that Shamus probably abandoned other Pokémon due to him saying "'''''Whenever''''' I abandon a Pokémon''?" {{unsigned|‎Doggy567123}}
:Speculation is discouraged on Bulbapedia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:13, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

But Bulpapedia says the exact same thing about Paul. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

== Tepig related dialogue ==

As much as both I and Bulbapedia hate speculation, wasn't it (very indirectly) suggested that Shamus obtained his Emboar as a Tepig? Because after releasing Ash's Pignite as a Tepig he said something about looking for another one with "at least a little talent". Additionally, when Ash challenged him he decried his former Pokemon for being "unevolved" in the face of Emboar. And even said it still wasn't strong enough to win after evolving into Pignite, indirectly revealing his knowledge of Tepig's evolutionary line.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Bonnie (anime)

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== Diancie? ==

Should {{an|Diancie}} be added to the list of Pokémon Bonnie has befriended? It seems like [[Max]] and {{OBP|Jirachi|M06}}, the two of them bonded and became friends over the course of ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''. I have not watched the movie, however, so I feel like it's not my place to make the final call. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 14:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:If we'd done that with Max, we should do the same with Diancie, 'cause the situation is "almost" the same. Go right ahead:)--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 14:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

== "Reasons unknown" ==

In regards to Bonnie Semi constantly trying to hook her Brother up, she specifically says it's because he "needs someone to take care of" him.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 19:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Strength (move)

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Benayla: /* Match */ new section

I was playing LeafGreen, got the strenght move and gave it to Snorlax. I went over to the boulder to the right in the house where you obtained the HM, tried to use it, and it told me that I need to have a special badge to do this. Could any one help me out here? --[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 02:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

See [[Badges]] to see which are needed for which HM moves. In this case, it's the Rainbowbadge. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 02:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

:Oh, thanks! I can't believe that I forgot to fight that gym leader! --[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 02:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Move image replacement ==

PNG version:

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/picture.php?albumid=2973&pictureid=33029

--[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 10:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Outside of battle ==

''"The Pokémon using it will grow and you will have the ability to push a boulder(only in HeartGold and SoulSilver versions)."''

This phrasing is somewhat misleading - it seems to suggest that the ability to push boulders with Strength is exclusive to HG and SS, while it probably means to say that the visual growth effect is only in those games. Can it be reworded a bit? --[[User:Tayrtahn|Tayrtahn]] 16:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
: They never grew when using it outside of battle for me unless they were on steroids or something I don't know about. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 16:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

==Gen V?==
should it be put somewhere that prior to gen v, when one left the area the Boulder will respawn at the same place, but in gen v, once its pushed into a hole it stays there? <[[User:Plokool|Plokool]] 18:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)>

:Probably in the same area where it notes the size difference in boulders. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

::There. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Match ==

Is it noteworthy that this move and Machamp have the same Japanese name?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 06:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Sho

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All of his known Pokémon are {{type|Electric}}, so shouldn't he go into the Electric-type trainers category? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I think he can. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::{{tt|but tte u forg0t dat da magnemite is steal so he shuldnt go in dat category cuz his pokemon arnt pure elektric|Trying to describe stupid users like TTE does :D}} [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 01:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Thunder ==

It used {{m|Thunder}} in the English dub (I don't know about the Japanese), so should it be added to the part about it knowing several of Pikachu's moves, even though Pikachu hasn't used it recently?--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gender ==

Looking at his Raichu, it seems that gender differences confirm it as male, due to the look of it's tail. Only the tails of male Raichu end like that. -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] [[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]''' 21:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:"All Raichu looked like that before Gen IV and we haven't seen a Raichu with an indented tail." This is what Kenji-Girl stated before [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Ok. -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] [[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]''' 21:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Logic hole ==

Didn't Sho say he refused to let his Pichu evolve because he'd have to obtain another Pichu? When doing that would complete his "evolution set". Pichu evolving into Pikachu and capturing another Pichu would complete his "quest". --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:30, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

== Pichu's gender ==

Even though it was exclusive to the English dialogue, does Sho calling his Pichu "Homeboy" designate its gender?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Sanpei

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==Sanpei's Greninja Page==

Just to put this down before any edit wars, I assume we're NOT creating a page for his Frogadier/Greninja since it only has two episodes to its name. S 22:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Well so does its trainer. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 02:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Sanpei

2015-04-27T02:21:13Z

Benayla: /* Sanpei's Greninja Page */

==Sanpei's Greninja Page==

Just to put this down before any edit wars, I assume we're NOT creating a page for his Frogadier/Greninja since it only has two episodes to its name. S 22:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Well so does it's trainer. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 02:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Sho

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Talk:Ash's Greninja

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==Is this trivia worthy?==

Is it worth noting that Froakie is Ash's first Pokémon that was originally own by another trainer before being released that is not a Fire-type? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 13:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

== Frubble ==

Frubble is dat word from a episode? which the character say this? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 08:07, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Clemont. [[XY001]] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

==Only Starter==
Is it notable that this is Ash's only Kalos starter? The series is really new, so he might get another one. It's unlikely for two main characters to have the same Pokémon, but May and Ash both have Bulbasaur. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 21:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
: Not quite sure; Sceptile was Ash's only Hoenn starter, but that face isn't mentioned, so I don't think we should add it here. '''[[User:ZappaOMati|Zappa]][[Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati|O]][[User talk:ZappaOMati|Mati]]''' 15:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Quick Attack ==

Shouldn't we wait to add Quick Attack given he didn't actually use it correctly yet?? He hasn't used the full move even once yet.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 04:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:Yes it did, alongside Frogadier, but unlike Frogadier, Froakie was countered by Team Rocket. Plus, Ash commanded it to use it and it did use it a few times, watch the episode!!--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've watched it lol. Ash commanded him to use it but he never actually used the whole attack. Not the way Frogadier or Pikachu use it at least. He started to learn in it this episode, he hasn't learned it fully yet.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 11:23, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

== froakie IS male ==

In the episode where ash and friends visit a kindagarten, sylveon uses attract on froakie. Later, meowth falls in love with sylveon. Therefore sylveon is female, meaning froakie must be male. {{unsigned|Lu-igi board}}
:That's no plausible evidence. We're not (and will never be) 100% sure on that particular Sylveon's gender, ''even if'' Meowth fell in love with it. We don't add genders on assumption. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 11:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::But Meowth is obviously a male, and Attract ''only'' works on the opposite gender, therefore Sylveon MUST be female and Froakie MUST be male. --[[User:SuperPikaBros|Super]][[User talk:SuperPikaBros|Pika]][[Special:Contributions/SuperPikaBros|Bros]] 14:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Froakie was the one inflicted with Attract. Meowth was never targeted with that move in that episode. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Meowth still fell in love with the Sylveon, though, Attract or not. That's gotta mean Sylveon's female, and since the obviously female Sylveon's Attract worked on Froakie, there you go. Or is there a reason it's not that simple? Because I have a feeling that if it was that simple, we wouldn't be discussing this. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:36, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Meowth fell in love with a male Purrloin back in BW044, so we can't assume that Sylveon is female. Like the aforementioned Purrloin, it could be male for all we know. [[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 14:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Alright, then, yeah I'd say that Froakie's gender remains unconfirmed, though is still pretty likely to be male IMO. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 04:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Why does the rules for confirming gender have to be so strict? º_º' Like, why can't we just figure gender out by looking at the behavior of the Pokémon? Or at least verify gender through it's voice? [[Trip's Snivy]] and [[Ash's Snivy]] had different voices, with Ash's having the girl-like voice and Trip's having the more boyish voice. --[[User:Rikeo|リック]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|EO]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|オープン for discussion]]) 07:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::::We don't confirm genders based on behavior or voices because we could still be wrong. For all we know, Trip's Snivy can really just be a very masculine female.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually in some cases we can. DuArt has confirmed numerous times that they have Pokémon voices universal. So in Snivy's case, Michele Knotz ''always'' is the voice of female Snivy, and so on. However, Froakie is an unconfirmed case, so the same can't apply here until there's more confirmation. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 07:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

== When Froakie evolves... ==
Can someone put in the trivia section that Frogadier is Ash's first Water-type starter Pokémon to evolve? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 03:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

:Once the episode airs, sure. --[[User:Rikeo|リック]][[Special:Contributions/Rikeo|EO]] ([[User talk:Rikeo|My message board]]) 04:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

== It's out ==

The episode is out now. Could somebody unprotect and move the page now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

== Frogadier's moves ==

With the new release of [[XY052]], Frogadier has learned Aerial Ace, and so far that was only move shown (possibly Cut as well, but I'm not sure about that one), so I changed it to only Aerial Ace being the recent move, however a user, JasonL changed it to Water Pulse, Bubble and Cut also being recent, since a Pokémon can only know four moves, I only put down Aerial Ace as recent since we cannot speculate on the other 3 moves kept until we see them in a episode (I wasn't sure what he meant by "Just think of the moves as so far" in his/her edit summary). Can anyone else confirm if I'm right or wrong since I don't want to start an edit war S 16:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC) - StephenWalker97

: Before Evolution, Froakie only used Water Pulse, Cut and Double Team so far, but didn't use Bubble. After it evolved it used Cut and that other move I'm not sure if its Aerial Ace or something else.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

:: Not related to JasonL's post (and put :, ::, ::: when you add a new edit/discussion of text), but to those who keep adding Water Pulse and Double Team as recent, don't, even if its confirmed by other sources e.g. CoroCoro in a episode preview, you don't add it as recent until the episode in which Frogadier uses the new move airs. [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 17:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not involved, but...just wondering. If it's already known in the Japanese dub that, let's say, in [[XY055]] Frogadier uses Water Pulse (I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying let's assume it), why are we not putting that in now? Is it just something to do with waiting for the English dub to air before updating the article? The reason I ask is because articles on the various Pokémon are already updated based on happenings in episodes not aired in English; see [[Ash's Goomy]] for example. (And kind of a spoiler now.) So if we're trying to prevent spoilers, then Japanese airings should not update in here at all. Otherw3ise it's a double standard.

:::If I have the reasoning wrong, please enlighten me. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

One of our thesis is right Frogadier did use Water Pulse, Double Team, Cut and Aerial Ace.--JasonL 15:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's New Move ==

Did Frogadier learned Aerial Ace? It's hard to tell because I saw one of its arms glow blue and it did some kicks. And I know it used Cut.--JasonL 23:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Proof for Frogadier's English VA ==
[https://twitter.com/BillyBobThomps/status/572139550396575744] [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 16:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Didn't specify Ash's Frogadier. Thompson may have thought they were talking about Frogadier in general.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== Snarl? ==

In the Bubble Frog Pokemon's debut Sycamore reveals that many new trainers return Frogadier as a Froakie for being disobedient. But why not just release him instead? Wouldn't that make more sense?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Shamus

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== Should it... ==
Should it be noted that Shamus probably abandoned other Pokémon due to him saying "'''''Whenever''''' I abandon a Pokémon''?" {{unsigned|‎Doggy567123}}
:Speculation is discouraged on Bulbapedia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:13, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

== Tepig related dialogue ==

As much as both I and Bulbapedia hate speculation, wasn't it (very indirectly) suggested that Shamus obtained his Emboar as a Tepig? Because after releasing Ash's Pignite as a Tepig he said something about looking for another one with "at least a little talent". Additionally, when Ash challenged him he decried his former Pokemon for being "unevolved" in the face of Emboar. And even said it still wasn't strong enough to win after evolving into Pignite, indirectly revealing his knowledge of Tepig's evolutionary line.--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 07:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Paul

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== Another Shinji ==

There's another Shinji in the Pokémon Anime. He's the Hitmonlee Trainer from Legend Of Raikou movie. He was unnamed in English Version. Should there be a disambiguation? And it's pretty possible that Hitmonlee Shinji's dub name is Sean because Chronicles characters's names are taken from the trainers from GSC and there is Cooltrainer named Shinji in the game, and his name Sean in English Version. The same rule was used for Kenta/Jimmy, Jun'ichi/Vincent, Takumi/Jared, Tsuyoshi/Corey and every other character from Chronicles who shared the name with trainer in GSC (except Tsutomu/Georgio, for some reason). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:It makes sense, but I'm against it. Recently, [[May]] was turned into a disambig page. I've since been going through every article linking to the correct one. I suppose with Shinji it wouldn't be that big of a deal, since he hasn't been in that many episodes, but it's such a time-consuming task to do that. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 22:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

::So if it is to be done, do it now rather than having a harder job later.
::There's also Lake Shinji/Trust. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 20:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Maybe better to wait for English DP. When English DP game and anime is released, all things and character will get own English named and disambig won't be needed anymore. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

::::I agree. By the time the English DP comes out, the Japanese names won't really matter anymore. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 20:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, now with [[Shinji Miyazaki]], shouldn't there be a disambig like there is with [[Satoshi]]? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 06:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, wait until Shinji's US name is revealed. When it'll be, the disambiguation won't be needed anymore. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::But Satoshi is Ash's Japanese name, and [[Shigeru]] is Gary's... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::But Satoshi and Shigeru are Pokémon Anime's very main protagonists and Satoshi Tajiri and Shigeru Miyamoto are most well-known people related to Pokémon. And the disambiguation was also needed because of Satoshi and Shigeru in Zensho. I'm not sure if it is so much needed for Shinji, as he isn't as important as Satoshi & Shigeru, as well as Miyazaki is not as important as are Tajiri & Miyamoto. I don't support this disambig. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Shinji is just as important as Shigeru. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Should it also be mentioned that both Paul and Lake Verity share the same name in Japanese? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 09:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Weavile & Torterra???? ==

I saw the trailer for the [[DP040]], and it looked like Paul was battling against [[Cynthia]] with a {{p|Weavile}} and a {{p|Torterra}}. Are these his new Pokémon? -- [[User:Kenji-girl|Kenji Girl]] 19:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Since it's only the preview, I would wait until the episode airs to list them as his. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 20:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

They are both his old Pokémon and one thing notable is that Torterra is his starter Pokémon, not Chimchar.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 02:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:Umm I know that now. I made that comment like six months ago. Before the episode premiered. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 09:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==His age?==
Where does it say Paul is 11? He doesn't look like or sound like he's 11. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 15:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:It's also explained that he is actually an experienced Trainer wgo travelled over Kanto, Johto and Hoenn. So, how old was he when he started his first Pokémon Journey? He looks rather like 14. I really hate how everyone underages characters. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Since paul ha traveled through 3 regions and started 10 years old like everyone he should be about the same age as Ash.--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 20:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think you may be right here. He travels through three regions (presumeably on foot, as we've seen nothing for him to ride or Fly on...) and competes in their tournaments (which are yearly, IIRC) and he's only 11? Someone with a decent grasp of jaspanese needs to have a ''long'' talk with Pokeani. - [[User:Cassius335|Alan]]
then what about ash's age didn't he do the same thing-Sonicflames
:Like has been said: They never told us anything. Paul has no official age, either. He could be 10, too, even if he sounds a lot older. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

==Second Son==
Paul's Japanese name is Shinji and it means faithful second son right? Well its been implied that Silver is Giovanni's son and similarities have been shown between Paul and Silver right? So what if Paul is Giovanni's second son? but that's crazy right?

==Paul/Brandon==

Was it really needed to lose that bit? It ''was'' in the Trivia section and might be worth keeping in mind in case it turns out be true. Or gets proven false, whichever comes first. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]
:No! Because encyclopedic article isn't place for stupid fanspeculations. Paul can be ANYONE's son. Tell me, why Brandon? We don't care about fanwanks. And sign your comments! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
:: Well, ''sorry'', I forgot. As for 'Why Brandon'... well, look at them. Compared to the likes of Brock and his mother, they're practically identical, Paul's just shorter. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

==Fearow==
Didn't paul try to capture a fearow in an episode? And by the end we didn't know what had happened to it? So why don't we put it under unconfirmed? idk how to make it the shiny green one japanese name was lucky an espeon [[User:SLE_aman|SLE]][[User Talk:SLE_aman|_Aman]] my favorite pokemon

==Nugai==
I agree with whoever took out the bit about Paul being referred to as "Nugai" by Pie. I'm highly critical of the justification, "It was important piece of fanon history." His name was revealed shortly after his first appearance in Coro Coro. One American on one message board calling him ''Nugai'', a made-up confusingly Japanese-sounding name, for a couple weeks doesn't really deserve a mention in this article, I don't think, ''even if it was an admin'' who coined the term. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 21:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:It was hardly just Pie calling him that. ''Everyone'' did until his real name was revealed. So yes, that is a fact worth noting about Paul. Plus, if someone came across the name when looking at stuff from that time and decided to use Bulbapedia to see who it was, they are currrently able to find the information on it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, let the name stay there but why do we need to keep who coined it as well? If a person was reading this article, does it matter to him who coined the name? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 22:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It does to posterity. Allow the guy his small slice of history, will ya? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Pie is female. Anyway, I really don't see what the problem is. It's one sentence in the trivia section and it certainly isn't worth having a seperate "fanon terminology" article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== The opening section ==

...is a bit harsh now. Has Paul actually stated that bonding with Pokémon would "make them weak and useless"? Being friends is Pokémon is obviously not his style but calling him arrogant for that seems a bit much. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:He said that in [[DP040]]. Well, he said slackers but what's the difference?. [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 09:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, there is a difference in that. I still don't think he can be described as arrogant, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I do solely remember in one episode where Reggie did indeed describe Paul as arrogant.[[User:JessiPlatinum|JessiPlatinum]] 12:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Disambiguation ==

Do you think we should create a disambiguation page for Paul? Because that is the last name of one of the voice actors, [[Ed Paul]]. Or should we put one of those warnings at the top of the page like we have for Ash and the Sacred ash? --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 05:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm for warning. I don't like making disambigs for the sake of making disambigs. It's not needed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

==Turtle==
Does it really matter if that Gary and Paul both started with Turtles? --{{Ani|133}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|197}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|471}} 15:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Trivia never really matters.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Seconded. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 23:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Trivia is trivia. It's just funny facts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== The Pokémon for Paul to replace Chimchar ==

Paul said he will catch another powerful fire-type Pokémon after releasing Chimchar in [[DP052]].So what will be that Pokémon?I strongly believe that it is a Magmortar because it is the most powerful fire-type Pokémon in Sinnoh apart from Heatran.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 02:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:How do you know he said he would capture another Fire-type? --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 09:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I watched the Japanese version of that episode.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 02:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:Do you speak Japanese? --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 09:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
No, hear only.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 02:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Paul refusing the Soothe Bell ==

Couldn't we mention in Trivia that Paul giving away the Soothe Bell means he doesn't care about getting his Pokémon to warm up to him?

In the games, Soothe Bells are use to get a Pokémon to like you faster. I figured that this was the anime's way of saying that Paul doesn't care whether his Pokémon like him or not. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 05:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I think exactly the same thing--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 20:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Brother?? ==

Seriously? Where did you get this info from? Just curious.

Wonder if he'll be nice. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' ]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 22:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's on TV Tokyo. And given that he is a Pokémon Breeder, he is bound to be nicer than Paul. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Reiji is it? How much you wanna bet his dub name will be "Reggie"? --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 05:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't. From Shinji to Paul. From Reiji to Saul or something{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 05:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Shinji sounds like the Japanese word for Pearl so was only named Paul to be a play off of "Pearl". Reiji is probably not going to be a play off of anything. They'll probably just go with the closest English name like Kengo to Kenny or Nozomi to Zoey. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]''' 05:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism to the Wikipedia article ==

Someone keeps putting [[Pete Capella]] in parenthesis although we kno Rebolledo does the voice so PAKMan will you block that person ? [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 12:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Um, I have no control over what goes on at Wikipedia. Let one of their administrators know. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 16:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, we and Wikipedia are two totally different websites. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

== Rowan, We Have A Problem. ==

Viewers of the most recent episode are repoting Paul beating Maylene with a Magmar. While the "Paul gets Magmortar" crowd grin like idiots, there's a slight glitch: Magmar would push Paul's team to 7 members on hand, which is obviously impossible. So how the heck do we configure the "On hand" section now? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

On the [[DP066|latest episode]] Paul reveals that he has a Magmar, now one problem, do we have to show Seven Pokémon on his team? Since we can't say which one he released, if ever. [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 12:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it's Ursaring or Weavile.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Dammit, Ej92! I already started a section about this. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

:Oops! sorry... [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 06:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Ursaring because he's never used it in battle before.

:He did use it in a battle against TR......-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 15:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

::Re: Configuring the ''On hand'' section; what about adding a row with Magmar in it and then stating that as of [[DP066]], we know Paul has a Magmar, but it is unknown which Pokémon it replaced? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 15:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

::: Nice thought, looks silly. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::: Ok, how about that? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

''Status Unknown''!!! jeez, put it there cuz its so confusing!! [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 16:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Huh, it seems like the question is answered. According to people at Bulbagarden, Reji's Electabuzz... is really Shinji's, left in his brothers care. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:That's correct, the Eleboo at Reiji's house is actually Shinji's. The template and Shinji's Eleboo article has already been updated with this. [[User:Matkin22|Matkin22]] 18:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Personality/Pokemon Team Connection ==

Everyone knows how Paul has a dark peronality, right? Well he has Gliscor and Weavile, who are formed when Gligar and Sneasel evolve holding Razor Fang/Claw respectively... at night! WHEN IT'S DARK! Both Gliscor and Weavile also have an evil, deceiving/mischievous personality! Anyone see where I am going with this?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:Completely into fanwank? Paul isn't particularly dark, just unemotional. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

K--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Paul's Gliscor is GROUND-Flying, not DARK-Flying. Maybe it's a nocturnal Pokémon?[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 19:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::Let's blame it on Mesprit again...[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 01:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure...Touch Mesprit and you lose all your emotions. Yeah, right like that actually happened with Paul. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 01:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Well, you never know. After all, he is Paul.[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 01:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...To be honest, I believed Cyrus lost his emotions by touching Mesprit in the game, when he was younger. The resemblance in personality with Paul's is uncanny, though. Still, Paul's disposition follows Silver's. I doubt he encountered Mesprit. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw your comment about that earlier. That's where I thought of this.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 02:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Maybe Paul really IS unemotional and unfeeling. His Pokémon had nothing to do with it and if they fail to meet his demands, he might as well release them, like he did with Chimchar. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a possibility that he would meet Mesprit again and be normal again.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 02:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== magmar ==

should'nt pauls magmar have it's own page discuss - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Tylerkarnes|Tylerkarnes]] ([[User talk:Tylerkarnes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tylerkarnes|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:One tiny appearance does not warrent an article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::they gave paul's gliscor a page before it's second apperance - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tylerkarnes}} ([[User talk:Tylerkarnes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tylerkarnes|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

BUT GLISCOR DIDN"T APPEAR IN A TINY FLASHBACK!!!!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

magmar still demonstrated 2 attacks and was in a gym battle - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Tylerkarnes|Tylerkarnes]] ([[User talk:Tylerkarnes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tylerkarnes|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Gliscor was the focus of a whole episode, reappeared, and showed 3 attacks. U HAVE NO REASONS--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:The point is that, unless it appears in an episode and not a flashback, then we would make one. But not before it. And sign your posts. It's not that hard.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::Every article should be judged on its own merits. (And this goes for Paul's Pokémon even more than other trainers - we've already reached the consensus not to have an article on Azumarill.) Gliscor could still be deleted now if that conclusion was reached, though even the one episode provided more notability than Magmar has. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:Its appearence in [[DP100]] is probably worth discussing article candidacy at the very least --[[User:Thingamajig257]] |[[User talk:Thingamajig257|Talk Page]]| 10:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::My opinion: it does not deserve an article. Why does '''every''' Pokémon of a ''rival'' character have to get its own article? Yes, he's important to the series, but unless he is in every single episode, he doesn't need a bio of all his Pokémon. In all honesty, I think the only Pokémon of his that need pages are Torterra (being his starter), Chimchar (being his primary Pokémon until its abandonment), and ''possibly'' Electabuzz and Ursaring, since they are his "preferred" Pokémon. I still fail to see why his Gliscor and Honchkrow have articles, among others. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 13:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Because Paul didn't release them. Magmar's DP100 appearance pretty much confirms that Magmar will be sticking around, and Paul keeping something he captures isn't too common- consider Azumarill, Stantler, and the three Starly. Only the Pokémon that Paul released (or else only were seen for about a second, such as Ninjask) don't deserve articles (and thus, don't have them). So to summarize, we are not suggesting articles for all of Paul's Pokémon; only the ones he actually keeps. And Ash's Chimchar.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 19:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

As I see it, when Paul actually uses Magmar in a battle against Ash, or when some information is given about it, then would be the apropriate time to create its article -
[[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]], 14:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think the time is now. Magmar has been used in a gym battle against Maylene, seen relaxing in DP100 and now battling against Brandon in DP128. I'd say it's about time it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
: And NOW, it has evolved! We should give it a page if it doesn't have one, and I'm going to check..... --[[User:Cat2killer|''Catu'']] 21:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::What part of '''''WAIT TIL IT AIRS''''' do we not understand? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

==Drapion==
Should it be included in the Status Unknown? Since he was seen trying to catch one. He looked annoyed after it fled. He wouldn't be annoyed if he only wants to battle it, right?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
: Well if it Fled, It shouldn't be there. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|''Fire'']] 09:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::Fearow had also fled but we still have it there. And we don't know if he'll try catching it again like what he did with Fearow. -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::: That's because we don't know if he successfully caught it or even caught it at all. But we do know Drapion fled instead of being Captured, Therefore we know he never succeeded in catching Drapion, and never did try again later in the Episode. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|''Fire'']] 09:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Fearow ==

Why does it keep getting removed?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:Probably due to a question in the Pokémon.com mailbag that states that Paul did not succeed in catching the Fearow. Of course, that answer is more than likely dub-biased, there's no such statement made concerning the original Japanese version, and if Paul suddenly shows up with a Fearow in hand...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know about that, OK thank you--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm...the Pokémon on the "Unknown Status" section are there because we do not know where they are...but what about his Torterra, Weavile, Honchkrow, Gliscor, and Magmar? As of the current episode, we can't be sure if all of them are still with him. So does this go by the last episode he appeared in or by the current episode?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Last episode of appearance. When he appears again, the whole process is repeated. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== has ==

for not letting me submit my trivia, i have deleted this article and some more - ''unsigned comment from {{u|SuperbowserX}} ([[User talk:SuperbowserX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SuperbowserX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:No, you just blanked the pages. Easily undone. And it was bad trivia anyway. You couldn't be more in the wrong here. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

WELL AT LEAST I AM NOT A JERK - ''unsigned comment from {{u|SuperbowserX}} ([[User talk:SuperbowserX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SuperbowserX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Oh, like I am? I'm only trying to restore order and peace to Bulbapedia. If that makes me a jerk, you must hate the majority of users here. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that you should just put this aside. (BTW, What trivia?) - [[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]], 14:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

seriously dont get so fuckin butt hurt by trivia, EVERYONE here has put at least one thing on a page that wasnt good i mean hey ive prolly put at least like 7 ok and i dont care. just let it go not all of your submissions will be accepted [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 22:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:What [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] said - [[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]], 20:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Graveler ==

We never saw Paul release it from a Pokéball or catch it...so isn't it possible it was a WILD Graveler? So I don't think it should even be here. Unlike Ninjask, we saw him catch it in a Pokéball...so the two are vastly different. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Right, I was wondering too, but the statement puzzles me whether it's true or not. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 12:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
::But, then again. What made you think it was his.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay, with the team already! ==

DP118 has aired already, and the only Pokémon in it was his Honchkrow. Can we just make a section like [[May (anime)|May's]] page and list the most recent roster of Pokemon? -- [[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]], 23:39, 20 March 2009
:Not really needed. That note on May's team is because we don't know which of the seven she actually had with her. With Paul, we have five and that's ok. It's just assumed that he keeps the same as last time. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Hariyama?? ==

is it true that Paul has a Hariyama.. well basically based on DP120...[[User talk:Gaspershut|just gasper]]
:It's already in there, just hidden.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 08:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why though. I know that whole "wait till it airs" thing, but it was already shown that it was his. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 14:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Electabuzz and Ursaring ==

Why does it say that Electabuzz and Ursaring are in "status unknown"? In Lost leader strategy, Reggie told Ash that Paul lets him breed some of his pokemon till Paul needs them in a battle or something. Is it possible, that Electabuzz and Ursaring are at home, but can be called upon at any time (like Ash's Sqirte and Charizard)?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 17:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:Its possible, NOT proven. its Speculation, and we are an encyclopedia, not a amateur site {{tt|.|like wikia :D}} [[User:DCM]] 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Can we put this fact in the Trivia or in the page? ==

Ok, I was watching the DP101 English version. After [[Barry]] mentioned [[Paul]], [[Ash]] says to himself "that jerk". Can we publish this? {{unsigned|Subscriber0101}}
:Um... why? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Subscriber0101 - I find it interesting, and i see that as a important fact.
::What's so important about it? We don't need to put "the jerk" or anything else into the article just because someone says it, right? ♥ [[User:Csisps_26|Csisps_26]] ''([[User talk:Csisps_26|ViSiT]])'' ♥ 15:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== We're gonna have to change the "On Hand" section again... ==

After watching the DP128 preview, it is clear that Paul uses Hariyama, Magmar, Electabuzz, Nidoking and Ursaring in battle against Brandon. I don't think he would get rid of Torterra, but we're gonna have to move Gliscor, Weavile and Honchkrow to the "Status Unknown" section. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Wait 'til it airs... --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nidoking? --×[[User talk:Impoleon xy|'''Impoleon xy''']]× 16:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, in the DP128 preview there is a Nidoking attacking Brandon's Registeel. 99% sure it is Pauls Nidoking. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 17:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: well I say yes to Dilophosaurus Rex that Paul has a Nidoking it is very clear in the preview and for sure that Paul uses it cause no one is fighting at Brandon except Paul right???? --[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 11:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Unless the preview stated that it's Paul's Nidoking, nothing goes anywhere. Brandon could be attacked by a wild Nidoking before fighting Paul for all we know. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
To be fair, since Hariyama is already shown as on hand shouldn't the list be updated with Electabuzz and Ursaring. You can't show one Pokémon being on hand based on a preview and not the other two... [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 18:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
: Also the whole Status "Unknown" seems too weird for me. I mean really Torterra? Almost sounds like he may have released, even if that's not what the status unknown means. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 12:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

== Page for Magmar? ==

Isn't it about damn time Paul's Magmar gets a page? Seriously, how many times does it have to appear to get its own page? It appeared in DP066 defeating Maylene's Lucario, it appeared in DP100, it will appear in DP128 fighting against Brandon's Registeel, and according to the latest Bulbanews item, it will even evolve and fight against Ash. That's more than Gliscor and Weavile ever did, and yet they do have pages and Magmar doesn't. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:Let's see, how much screentime has Magmar actually had? 15 seconds? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well, it is going to get more. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 05:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:::And when it does, we'll do the page. It still isn't confirmed it's the same Pokémon yet. He could have just captured it because it was stronger than Magmar. Wait til it airs. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: Even if it was a different Magmar, why would there be more than one article? I mean the only reason would be if hypothetically Tauros gets an evolution, and one of Ash's Tauros evolves, the Tauros article would remain but a new article would be created for the new evolution. Of course this isn't the case with Paul, it's highly unlikely Paul has more than a few Magmar. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 12:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, and maybe Paul's using a new Torterra because his old one lost to Cynthia's Garchomp. I think that you're just speculating too far. Also, it's going to be a Magmortar by [[DP131]], so we might as well give it a page then. -- [[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]]

==Pokémon Order==

Considering that Paul rotates his main team between 7 pokémon, meaning that at least one of them is always under status unknown, shouldn't those ones be kept up under his on hand pokémon? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

==Changing "On Hand" to "Rotated in Team"==

Personally, I think we do what Serebii did, and change On Hand to Rotated in Team. Honestly, if Torterra isn't on his team, are we just gonna assume that he could have released it? I just can't see him releasing anyone else. What do you guys think? [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:We are not Serebii.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, but it's a very good idea. I say do it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 21:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== unsatisfactory ==

What is wrong with jpg.?They look just fine.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 10:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

:The preferred format for anime images is PNG. That's why the unsatisfactory tag is up.

:However, it's best advised to take fresh PNGs rather than convert existing JPEGs. Converting JPEGs transfers the current quality of the JPEG into the PNG image, and it's best to avoid that except in the most extreme of circumstances. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I Still don't get why jpg. is worse than png.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 17:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:JPEG is a lossy image format. PNG is lossless. Google or Wiki those terms if you don't understand them. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::Though, it is hard to come by fresh PNGs now a days since no one is making raws of the episodes. So now we most rely on conversion. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Do you check the episode threads on 2chan? They tend to post really high-quality caps (as in 1440px width sometimes) while the episode airs. That's just for the newly-aired episodes, though, so... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== what happened to appereances? ==

Why was that section deleted?--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 14:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
:Because many users opposed it and were reverted by the {{u|Ash Ketchum Peru|one that added them}}. The user then started calling them "jerks" or "stupid jerks" and was blocked for a {{tt|week|it was originally for a month}}. Besides, they weren't really necessary. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the explanation. {{unsigned|Tomas}}

== gender ==
"Paul's Nidoking is (so far) the only Pokémon that Paul has to have a confirmed and known gender." Forgive me if im wrong but arent all Nido King's Male. [[User:Don Lark Kiin|Don Lark Kiin]] 13:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:It's saying that Nidoking is Paul's only Pokémon that has a confirmed gender (it being a male).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Generation II ==
The instance about the majority of Paul's pokemon being related to generation 2 has a mistake, because his magmar is already a magmortar, it should go like this:

"The majority of the Pokémon that Paul has on his team are part of an evolution family related to Generation II.
* Ursaring was introduced in Generation II.
* Honchkrow, Weavile, Gliscor and Magmortar are Generation IV Pokémon, but evolve from Generation II
*:Pokémon (Murkrow, Sneasel and Gligar, respectively; In the case of Magmortar, its [[Magby|base form]] is from generation II).
* Electabuzz was introduced in Generation I, but evolve from a [[Elekid|Generation II Pokémon.]]"

Or something like that [[User:Luord|Luord]] 23:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

How does Magmar being a Magmortar not make it related to a Generation II Pokemon? Unless one was to say, it was never seen as a Magby.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

== Paul's Weavile ==

I'd be happy, no, wait, thrilled, to make Paul's Weavile a page. I think that it's notable enough to get one, having appeared in four episodes, almost as many as Magmortar or Honchkrow. I'll just wait for an okay or a red light. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 04:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:It actually used to have one. Then it was deemed not notable enough. Yeah. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I discovered that later. Does that mean yes or no? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 20:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Means no. Generally, if a page is deleted for not being notable, it doesn't get recreated. There are exceptions, of course, but I really don't see Paul's Weavile being one of them. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Got it. I'll look for other needed articles. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 15:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Electivire? ==

It's clear his Electabuzz evolved. You can see it in the episode screens. So why does it still say he has Electabuzz?--[[User:FlareKitsu|FlareKitsu]] 19:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Because the episode in question hasn't aired yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
::And it could very well be Gary's... ----[[User:Zewis29/Nav|Zewis29]] [[User:Zewis29|(]][[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 22:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Protection Request ==
Paul has been confirmed to have Aggron and Drapion VS. Ash, and is reported to be using Froslass, Ninjask, Gastrodon East Sea in addition to Electivire. I'd like to request this page be protected until further confirmation is available. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 05:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Update: http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx329/Maganon/pokemon-fan.jpg --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

:If we put this in, don't forget to move Ninjask from "Status Unknown." ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 20:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

:: Question about this, do we assume that Aggron is Lairon, and that the Ninjask is the same one Paul captured in the flashback. You never really know with Paul, he could have released them and captured a different one of the same species. --[[User:Burgundy|Burgundy]] 02:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

no thats speculation ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC))
: Well, you never know. First, Lairon was KO'd instantly by Regice in spite of the type advantage. Next, this IS Paul we're talking about here. The same Paul who caught three Starly just to find one with Aerial Ace. We could at least note that it's not known whether Paul's Aggron is the same Lairon, and put Lairon under Status Unknown. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

because we know the pokemon paul will use durring the battle should his electivire be moved to on hand instead of at home.

== Protection ==

Since someone has protected the page can those who as still able to edit, edit that the files shouldn't be "File:Paul's [Enter Pokemon Here].png]] it should be just "File:Paul [Enter Pokemon Name Here].png and edit Paul's Lairon into an Aggron. --''[[User:DoTheWave|<big><big><big>D</big></big></big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 14:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

==On hand pokemon==

Could you replace Ursaring and Magmortar with Aggron, Gastrodon (East), Drapion, Froslass and Ninjask...? [[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 17:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Gastrodon's Moves ==

Ice Beam needs to be added. [[User:Burnpsy|Burnpsy]] 21:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

along with body slam and counter shield [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Protection Change ==

Can we at least change the protection so that at least us established editors can edit? Page needs a tad updating. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia about being easily beaten twice ==

Can we add to that that both times Paul had three of his pokemon debut then? (Torterra, Murkrow, Weavile and Lairon, Hariyama, Nidoking)--[[User:Burgundy|Burgundy]] 00:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== Aggron know also double-edge ==

You forgot to add double-edge in aggron attacks that he used in DP186 , his ability was also affirmed to be rock head
[[User:Amine|Amine]] 03:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:You forgot the comma between double-edge and flash cannon--[[User:Burgundy|Burgundy]] 06:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== Weavile ==

I don't understand why it is not "relevent" enough for it's own article, it was used agaist Ash and Cynthia and it also helped Paul catch Gliscor, who has it's own article despite having not appeared since DP088. [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 11:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:I actually created a Paul's Weavile page under my user name. If that manages to become a good article, can it be moved to mainspace? Anyone can edit it.--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 19:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== drapion ==

is it not possible that his drapion is the same drapion used by reggie against brandon? [[User:Eevee obsessed 008|Eevee obsessed 008]] 01:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:it's completely possible, but its just speculation. it could also be the one Paul was trying to catch a while back but fled.--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Did you notice the way Reggie smiled when paul sent it out, and the way it's being made to look stronger than all his other pokemon that have already been defeated, I guess we will fine out next week [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 13:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

Is Aggron worth it's own article? [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 12:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Nope. It's no where near Weavile's notability and even it doesn't have an article --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 12:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== about a trivia ==

"Paul's Nidoking is so far the only Pokémon that Paul has to have a confirmed and known gender, due to its species." this trivia is no longer true because of paul having a froslass now. {{unsigned|Amine}}

== Before someone posts about it... ==

Drapion is probably not yet notable enough for its own page...--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 08:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Drapion ==

Ok, so now we know that both reggie and paul each have a drapion, i know that it could be the same blah blah blah, but it would be a nice piece of trivia that despite reggie's drapion failed to defeat brandon in the past, and that paul judges his pokemon by it's strenght, it could be hipocritical (does this word even exist?) that paul uses one in the conference, right?
:Not really, considering how he had many Pokemon lose to Cynthia and Brandon and he didn't release them (although we dont know about Hariyama and Nidoking for sure).

== Trivia ==

Is it notable that Paul has been defeated onscreen only 3 times, and all 3 times he had 3 of his Pokemon debut? (Torterra, Weavile, Murkrow for Cynthia; Lairon, Hariyama, Nidoking for Brandon; and Froslass, Drapion, and Gastrodon for Ash)--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 12:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's very notable, go ahead, I'm not still autoconfirmed X(--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 12:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Possible connection to Lake Verity ==

I know this is already mentioned in the trivia that Paul shares his Japanese name (Shinji) with that of Lake Verity (Shinji lake), but would it be worth mentioning that his somewhat unemotional and rude behavior is the complete opposite of what his name (and Lake Verity) stands for? Or maybe not..... But yeah Lake Verity is centered around faith and emotions, and even though Paul's Japanese name means "faith" he doesn't seem anything of the sort given his rude and seemingly emotionless behavior. (Maybe he touched Mesprit and it drained Paul's emotions!) Kidding! But his name definately may have a connection to Lake Verity, even though his behavior states otherwise. Worth mentioning or not? --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
Pual owns 15 of the 17 elemental types the most of any trainer in the anime the two he lacks are psychic and dragon [[User:Leaf494|Leaf494]]

== Icicle Badge. ==

Why isn't the icicle badge listed as one of the badges that Paul won? [[User:Chadua|Chadua]] 01:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:I had asked because Candice's article says that she was beaten by Paul, but I can't find any proof of Paul having the Icicle Badge. One of the articles is wrong. [[User:Chadua|Chadua]] 02:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== strategy ==

has anyone seen paul's pokemon first grab the opponent and then attacking him? --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 08:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

== Gastrodon's voice ==
It has already been noted that Gastrodon's japanese voice is uncredited. As for the English voice only Bill Rogers and Marc Thompson are the closest to the voice in the English version. I have no information on me that tells me who voices Gastrodon in the English dub. I still need to find out who it is. If anyone does find a source that says otherwise. Please write and discuss the matter here. [[User:Ctc1017|Ctc1017]] 04:31, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[[User:Ctc1017|Ctc1017]] 04:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Ctc1017

"I have no information on me that tells me who voices Gastrodon in the English dub." Case Closed. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 04:46 15 July 2011

Understood, but the voice has to be written eventually and I have already been warned by other users about putting incorrect English actors for Pokemon. I can't just write it down unless the other users agree that is the voice. [[User:Ctc1017|Ctc1017]] 14:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC) Ctc1017

== Pokemon? ==

I think that it isn't fair for some of his pokemon to get articles, while others not to. If you're going to make whole articles on some pokemon for their "noteability", than the other ones deserve theirs too. Honestly, we could probably fit Magmortar's information in just one box. Why don't we just give all the pokemon articles, or none at all?[[User:Confusion|Confusion]] 20:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

== Paul's Starly ==

That doesn't sound right! [[Starly]] can't have been rejected for only knowing [[Tackle]] and [[Sand-Attack]], as it can only learn Sand-Attack by breeding with [[Skarmory]], [[Farfetch'd]], or the [[Pidgey]] evolutionary line. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 15:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
:The anime doesn't really pay attention to egg moves. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 16:00, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
::I have seen [[DP003|this episode]] in both versions, Japanese as well as its dub, and I am pretty sure that the moves are correct. Besides, it is not necessary that the anime must follow games' rules/mechanism, as we have already noticed a few similar events in the past. Anyway, a double check won't hurt anyone. I will try to re-watch the episode later tonight, just in case. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 16:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
:It's as Dignified says. The anime doesn't flow directly into the game. In fact, many of ASH'S Pokemon have used multiple moves that can't legitimately learn at all in the games.

==His realistic age==
I know that this is a while since this was being discussed but if I may say: Presume that each adventure Ash goes through takes a year (i.e. one year travelling through Kanto to compete in the Indigo League, one year in the orange islands to compete against the Orange Crew and then the Champion (Drake), one year travelling through Johto to compete in the Silver League, one year travelling through Hoenn to compete in the Ever Grande League, one year travelling through Kanto again to complete the Battle Frontier and one year in Sinnoh to compete in the Lily of the Valley League), then if he started at 10 then he should be 16 at the end of the Sinnoh Saga (DP191). To say Kanto-10, Orange Islands-11, Johto-12, Hoenn-13, Kanto Battle Frontier-14, Sinnoh-15 and Unova-16 (the ages Ash was when he first journeyed through these regions, note that he travelled through Kanto twice). Paul stated in DP40 that he has competed in the Kanto, Johto and Hoen region League tournaments. So if to travel through a region to obtain the badges and compete in the respective League of that region would take a year: then Paul must have been 10 when he travelled through Kanto, 11 in Johto and 12 in Hoen. Therefore he would have been 13 when he was travelling though Sinnoh and 14 near the end of the Sinnoh Saga (DP191).

To sum up: At the start of the Unnova Saga, Ash should be 16 and Paul should be 14, if they aged a year for each competition they competed in.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:What's your point? It doesn't matter that they "should be" something. It's what "they are" that matters. Ash is, and always will be until further notice, 10, and Paul is unknown. End of story. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

With that whole discussion that was going on, I just thought it worthwile to add most likely realistic ages, since people were discussing how old they appear to be.
[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:Adding realistic ages is conjecture, guessing and not confirmed therefore is not wanted here. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 10:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

== the notability of Paul's Pokémon using mega drain. ==

To be entirely honest I don't think this trivia belongs on Paul's page, because it has almost nothing to do with Paul. I think it's more fitting for the [[Giga Drain (move)|giga drain]] page. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:It's {{m|Giga Drain|GIGA Drain}}, not {{m|Mega Drain}}. But, I like your idea. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|I am]] [[User:Mikoro|Mikoro]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|wanna talk?]]) 21:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
::It's not notable in '''either''' page. Now, please, stop adding it. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Can you please tell me why? And by the way, BlazikenMaster, please remember to use [[List of link templates|link templates]] when adding links that lead to move pages, Pokémon pages, anime character pages, etc. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|I am]] [[User:Mikoro|Mikoro]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|wanna talk?]]) 01:44, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
::::To be entierly honest, I'm confused about those templates and how they work. But I will be using them more often though. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::That's why I gave you the list. You should probably look through that list and learn them. That's what I did. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|I am]] [[User:Mikoro|Mikoro]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|wanna talk?]]) 19:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== Weavile's Gender? ==

I'm aware that the anime is iffy on this but isn't Weavile a "Gender differenced" species? So is that an indication of Paul's Weavile's gender?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 04:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Crown ==

The flame on infernape's head (which is refferanced as a 'crown')is similar to chimchar's flame on it's 'bum'. It states in the dex that it can turn it off, is this the same for infernape's crown? Allthough i'm not quite sure if there ''is'' any actuall evidence... GoldHusky2009 22:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

It is stated that it never goes out. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 22:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia Error ==
"Infernape and Blaziken are the only fully evolved starter Pokémon to share the same typing." Shouldn't it be: "Infernape and Blaziken are the only fully evolved '''dual-typed''' starter Pokémon to share the same typing." Since Blastoise and Feraligatr are both pure water and Meganium and Sceptile are both pure grass? [[User:Zendude|Zendude]] 12:20, 08 November 2009 I

Yes, that should be fixed. I'll get it. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 17:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Turns out it's blocked. Just remembered tht they are doing maintinence. Just let an admin get it. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 17:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::It's not about the the maintenance. The maintenance ended a couple days ago. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Then why is this still blocked?[[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 18:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Look at the October 14 Message from the Editor. The Pokémon pages will reopen on November 15. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I changed it now that they aren't protected. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== More Trivia Error ==
*It is also the only dual-typed starter that shares its typing with another starter, Blaziken.

Hello, Blaziken. Blaziken also shares its typing with Infernape, unlike the one-sided connection that the current wording implies. It just seems like it's saying, "Infernape shares it's type with Blaziken, but Blaziken doesn't share it's type with Infernape."

How about something along the lines of...

*Infernape and Blaziken share their typing, making them the only dual-type starters to do so.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 20:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

The non-shiny gen 4 backsprite is of the second frame. Shouldn't it be of the first frame (the static frame)? Said sprite is in the archives, and was apparently the sprite used in that location previously before the new one was uploaded. And I couldn't figure out how, or if I could, revert it back to that image. [[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]] 23:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Game Location Error ==

It is given that infernape can only be made available in Black and White by trading. But B&W are given in coloured backgrounds which means infernape is available without trading. The background should be white,right? Please correct me if i'm wrong.[[User:Auraguardian197|Auraguardian197]] 14:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it should be.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

== Uniquely not unique ==

Infernape is the only fully evolved Sinnoh starter Pokemon that lacks a Unique type combination. Is that trivia worthy? --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 23:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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== "Pokemon desktop" help. ==

I might have mentioned this before and it's something I seek Bulbapedia's help with, I have what I've always called "Pokemon desktops", the name being exactly what it sounds like, here:

http://bunnovaila.deviantart.com/gallery/47507282/pokemon-desktops

Simply put, i recreated the six current main series Pokemon regions on my six computer accounts (creating five of them just for that sake, my "Main account" ended up being Kanto). Complete with trainers and their "Pokegear" folders containing Pokeballs, badge cases, etc. Everything about it except for evolving the Pokemon is easier to use on a Macontosh than Microsoft Windows though. But as you can see from the link i switched to Windows for a reason i refuse to bore anyone with.

More to the point, There are some Pokemon aspects that leave me at a loss for what to do in some situations with this, and regarding that, I thought "who better to bring it up with than Bulbapedia?" I would've considered asking the "Pokemon Wiki" for help too, but they seem fond of making things up to "sound cool" So:

Evolution related inquiries:

With many ridiculously elaborate Evolution methods, I've ran into several impasses on this matter.

Trade evolutions:

While I've already got this down on my desktop regions, it has always baffled me how Pokemon need to be traded to evolve. I've just never been able to begin to understand how that works. I mean i understand that it's to play up the trade feature, but it doesn't make sense. My method for this is akin to what was seen in the Pokemon Special Manga, the traded Pokemon evolve not as soon as the trade is completed, but into their next battle following the trade, as was seen with Green/Blue's Machoke under Red's ownership.

On a related note, every single trade that occurs in my Pokemon regions has always been for the sole purpose of evolution, and they don't trade back either. It's always just trading two Pokemon that evolve when traded, holding an item or not.

Wurmple:

Wurmple's branched evolution is nothing short of a road block for me with this. From what i was reading on the "Personality Value" discussion it appears the decision would be left up to me. But, I record a trainer's Pokemon's Data, including its gender and nature on their "trainer card". So Since these desktops lack video game generated integers like that and Assuming Personality Value extends beyond Gender and Nature, is any Wurmple's evolution essentially my decision? Or do i have to go by something specific?

Friendship dependent evolution:

This is another one that would point to essentially being up to me. But I'm the kind of person with the extreme need to be realistic. Maybe i should read Bulpapedia's article about that fully though, but seriously, in order to be realistic would I have to memorize every such Pokemon's base friendship on top of every battle each such individual has won/lost, on top of all else that effects friendship? Ai Yai yai.

Inkay:

Normally, Inkay evolves at level thirty when holding the console upside down, easily the most elaborate and otherwise random evolution method I have ever heard. But how do i correspond that with my Pokemon desktop? Not all trainers have Pokedexes, but for those who do should they just flip their's upside down? Or maybe just to be as realistic as possible I'll hold my laptop upside down whenever i run into an Inkay reaching level thirty. My Kalos desktop was just recently created anyway so....

Come to think of it, since James has an Inkay i wonder how the anime will handle its possible evolution.

Tyrogue:

Once again this would essentially point to being my decision. But once again I'm really realistic, but the problem is, i have absolutely no way of determining stats like this. So....I guess it is solely my choice.

Sylveon:

While surprisingly Eevee's evolutions have always been easy to handle for me despite all else. I don't know how to go about implementing the "Pokemon Amie" into my desktops. And again my Kalos desktop is new, so would I just have trainers calling their Eevees out for whatever? And then it has to know a Fairy type move, obviously.

Feebas:

A Pokemon with two evolutions methods and the same evolved form leaves me backed in. I mean the Unova based game's method is easy. But as for the "original method", well....

Goodra:

Since the weather condition has to occur "naturally" instead of rain causing moves, the only thing i can think of is Sligoo only evolving when reach level fifty when it's actually raining outside my house (or wherever i am). But since i live in Arizona of all places....

Mega Evolution:

While this borders between evolution and form changes (or so it is identified by the "Pokemon Wiki"), As my Kalos desktop is my newest one I have yet to incorporate Mega evolution. And based on everything surrounding it that matter appears to be complicated. I mean my idea is simple, just attach the Mega Stone to the Pokemon in question, but as for the trainer, There's no Key stone sprite or anything, I've searched the internet for one and ended up with nothing. I saw this site has a bag sprite for the Mega Ring, but i know i should attach a Key stone and whatever accessory to the trainer too. I mean i can work with the Mega Bangle sprite because it depicts the stone, but the Mega Ring's sprite doesn't.

Two more things, selecting trainers, because it's seemingly treated as "sacred", i feel i should limit Mega evolution's usage to a specific number of trainers, maybe twenty? And make only the named amount of Key stones and accessories for them. The other thing pertains to the Pokemon, I would attach cut the Mega stone sprite and paste it to the Pokemon itself (obviously, which is the same thing i do with evolution inducing held items). And of course they'd Mega Evolve, but the problem is for when they revert back, should i just copy the image of that Pokemon and save it somewhere? I mean i cant think of anything else to do about that.

Now that evolution is out of the way, there are actually more things i feel the need to ask for assistance with.

Gym Leader/Gym Battle protocol:

I brought this up on the Gym Leader's discussion page, in the first season of the anime it's mentioned that Pokemon League rules dictate Gym Leaders must accept every challenge. This ironclad detail at times smurfs my desktop protocol off, particularly when a trainer has been defeated by a certain Gym Leader time after time. But that "rule" seems to have been forgotten, i recall the Best Wishes anime episode when Clay only accepted Ash's challenge in return for a bag of Revival Herbs, and then the current series when Clemont, while unintentionally, made the "four badges" requirement. But above both instances, In Pokemon Origins, Giovanni says he "decided to go ahead" and accept Blue's challenge, implying that he didn't have to. So I'm very conflicted with this part.

For the battles themselves though, I usually find myself opening up the specific Gym Leader's Bulbapedia page, because memorizing every single Gym Leader's Pokemon and their moves is difficult. As is the case in the Anime, the Trainer is only allowed to use an equal number of Pokemon to the Gym Leader's, my desktop Gym Leader's teams and their move sets/abilities are strictly identical to the games instead however. The protocol beyond that is exactly what you'd think.

Held Items:

This is something that, besides anything evolution related i haven't even been able to do at all. Simply put, in the case of an Evolutionary Stone or Evolution inducing held item, i simply attach it to the Pokemon and when the condition is met (or in the case of a Stone, automatically) The Pokemon evolves and the Item disappears, because i paste over the evolved form of course.

But the issue with any other held item, namely one that wouldn't disappear normally would be a problem, when it comes to computer images removing it would result in removing "part of the Pokemon" itself, if you understand where I'm going with that. This unfortunately renders Abilities like Pickup, Klutz, Cheek Pouch, Et Cetera, completely useless. The only solution i can think of is putting the held item in an area on the image in a place where that wouldn't be a problem, but....

Form Differences:

This one shouldn't be very difficult. But still:

Cherrim:

Is Cherrim's Form interchangeable? Or is it "stuck" in whichever one after it evolves depending on whether or not Sunny Day is in effect when it evolves from Cherubi?

Castform:

Is there Sugimori Artwork for all of Castform's forms? Because otherwise that leads to a Problem, Based on their appearance i assume the Castform forms depicted in the corresponding Bulbapedia article are Dream World images, which i completely ban from my desktops anyway.

Burmy:

Which routes yield which form changes for Burmy?

Kyurem:

Easily the most difficult, the game mechanic is essentially fusing Pokemon. But on a system like this....

Aegislash:

Which moves yield which form? I foresee battles with Aegislash as almost constantly having to switch forms.

Grave sites:

Half of the regions introduced so far have Pokemon grave sites. But the question is, under what condition would a Pokemon die?

Obedience:

This is a difficult aspect as well. In the video game series it only applies to outsiders. I still apply the obedience range of Gym badges, but it also applies to Pokemon that the trainer caught themselves as well. But i feel as if I should extend "disobedience" beyond that, while having no idea how to.

That's everything. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 04:07, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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== "Pokemon desktop" help. ==

I might have mentioned this before and it's something I seek Bulbapedia's help with, I have what I've always called "Pokemon desktops", the name being exactly what it sounds like, here:

http://bunnovaila.deviantart.com/gallery/47507282/pokemon-desktops

Simply put, i recreated the six current main series Pokemon regions on my six computer accounts (creating five of them just for that sake, my "Main account" ended up being Kanto). Complete with trainers and their "Pokegear" folders containing Pokeballs, badge cases, etc. Everything about it except for evolving the Pokemon is easier to use on a Macontosh than Microsoft Windows though. But as you can see from the link i switched to Windows for a reason i refuse to bore anyone with.

More to the point, There are some Pokemon aspects that leave me at a loss for what to do in some situations with this, and regarding that, I thought "who better to bring it up with than Bulbapedia?" I would've considered asking the "Pokemon Wiki" for help too, but they seem fond of making things up to "sound cool" So:

Evolution related inquiries:

With many ridiculously elaborate Evolution methods, I've ran into several impasses on this matter.

Trade evolutions:

While I've already got this down on my desktop regions, it has always baffled me how Pokemon need to be traded to evolve? I've just never been able to begin to understand how that works. I mean i understand that it's to play up the trade feature, but it doesn't make sense. My method for this is akin to what was seen in the Pokemon Special Manga, the traded Pokemon evolve not as soon as the trade is completed, but into their next battle following the trade, as was seen with Green/Blue's Machoke under Red's ownership.

On a related note, every single trade that occurs in my Pokemon regions has always been for the sole purpose of evolution, and they don't trade back either. It's always just trading two Pokemon that evolve when traded, holding an item or not.

Wurmple:

Wurmple's branched evolution is nothing short of a road block for me with this. From what i was reading on the "Personality Value" discussion it appears the decision would be left up to me. But, I record a trainer's Pokemon's Data, including its gender and nature on their "trainer card". So Since these desktops lack video game generated integers like that and Assuming Personality Value extends beyond Gender and Nature, is any Wurmple's evolution essentially my decision? Or do i have to go by something specific?

Friendship dependent evolution:

This is another one that would point to essentially being up to me. But I'm the kind of person with the extreme need to be realistic. Maybe i should read Bulpapedia's article about that fully though, but seriously, in order to be realistic would I have to memorize every such Pokemon's base friendship on top of every battle each such individual has won/lost, on top of all else that effects friendship? Ai Yai yai.

Inkay:

Normally, Inkay evolves at level thirty when holding the console upside down, easily the most elaborate and otherwise random evolution method I have ever heard. But how do i correspond that with my Pokemon desktop? Not all trainers have Pokedexes, but for those who do should they just flip their's upside down? Or maybe just to be as realistic as possible I'll hold my laptop upside down whenever i run into an Inkay reaching level thirty. My Kalos desktop was just recently created anyway so....

Come to think of it, since James has an Inkay i wonder how the anime will handle its possible evolution.

Tyrogue:

Once again this would essentially point to being my decision. But once again I'm really realistic, but the problem is, i have absolutely no way of determining stats like this. So....I guess it is solely my choice.

Sylveon:

While surprisingly Eevee's evolutions have always been easy to handle for me despite all else. I don't know how to go about implementing the "Pokemon Amie" into my desktops. And again my Kalos desktop is new, so would I just have trainers calling their Eevees out for whatever? And then it has to know a Fairy type move, obviously.

Feebas:

A Pokemon with two evolutions methods and the same evolved form leaves me backed in. I mean the Unova based game's method is easy. But as for the "original method", well....

Goodra:

Since the weather condition has to occur "naturally" instead of rain causing moves, the only thing i can think of is Sligoo only evolving when reach level fifty when it's actually raining outside my house (or wherever i am). But since i live in Arizona of all places....

Mega Evolution:

While this borders between evolution and form changes (or so it is identified by the "Pokemon Wiki"), As my Kalos desktop is my newest one I have yet to incorporate Mega evolution yet. And based on everything surrounding it that matter appears to be complicated. I mean my idea is simple, just attach the Mega Stone to the Pokemon in question, but as for the trainer, There's no Key stone sprite or anything, I've searched the internet for one and ended up with nothing. I saw this site has a bag sprite for the Mega Ring, but i know i should attach a Key stone and whatever accessory to the trainer too. I mean i can work with the Mega Bangle sprite because it depicts the stone, but the Mega Ring's sprite doesn't.

Two more things, selecting trainers, because it's seemingly treated as "sacred", i feel i should limit Mega evolution's usage to a specific number of trainers, maybe twenty? And make only the named amount of Key stones and accessories for them. The other thing pertains to the Pokemon, I would attach cut the Mega stone sprite and paste it to the Pokemon itself (obviously, which is the same thing i do with evolution inducing held items). And of course they'd Mega Evolve, but the problem is for when they revert back, should i just copy the image of that Pokemon and save it somewhere? I mean i cant think of anything else to do about that.

Now that evolution is out of the way, there are actually more things i feel the need to ask for assistance with.

Gym Leader/Gym Battle protocol:

I brought this up on the Gym Leader's discussion page, in the first season of the anime it's mentioned that Pokemon League rules dictate Gym Leaders must except every challenge. This ironclad detail at times smurfs my desktop protocol off, particularly when a trainer has been defeated by a certain Gym Leader time after time. But that "rule" seems to have been forgotten, i recall the Best Wishes anime episode when Clay only accepted Ash's challenge in return for a bag of Revival Herbs, and then the current series when Clemont, while unintentionally, made the "four badges" requirement. But above both instances, In Pokemon Origins, Giovanni says he "decided to go ahead" and accept Blue's challenge, implying that he didn't have to. So I'm very conflicted with this part.

For the battles themselves though, I usually find myself opening up the specific Gym Leader's Bulbapedia page, because memorizing every single Gym Leader's Pokemon and their moves is difficult. As is the case in the Anime, the Trainer is only allowed to use an equal number of Pokemon to the Gym Leader's, my desktop Gym Leader's teams and their move sets/abilities are strictly identical to the games instead however. The protocol beyond that is exactly what you'd think.

Held Items:

This is something that, besides anything evolution related i haven't even been able to do at all. Simply put, in the case of an Evolutionary Stone or Evolution inducing held item, i simply attach it to the Pokemon and when the condition is met (or in the case of a Stone, automatically) The Pokemon evolves and the Item disappears, because i paste over the evolved form of course.

But the issue with any other held item, namely one that wouldn't disappear normally would be a problem, when it comes to computer images removing it would result in removing "part of the Pokemon" itself, if you understand where I'm going with that. This unfortunately renders Abilities like Pickup, Klutz, Cheek Pouch, Et Cetera, completely useless. The only solution i can think of is putting the held item in an area on the image in a place where that wouldn't be a problem, but....

Form Differences:

This one shouldn't be very difficult. But still:

Cherrim:

Is Cherrim's Form interchangeable? Or is it "stuck" in whichever one after it evolves depending on whether or not Sunny Day is in effect when it evolves from Cherubi?

Castform:

Is there Sugimori Artwork for all of Castform's forms? Because otherwise that leads to a Problem, Based on their appearance i assume the Castform forms depicted in the corresponding Bulbapedia article are Dream World images, which i completely ban from my desktops anyway.

Burmy:

Which routes yield which form changes for Burmy?

Kyurem:

Easily the most difficult, the game mechanic is essentially fusing Pokemon. But on a system like this....

Aegislash:

Which moves yield which form? I foresee battles with Aegislash as almost constantly having to switch forms.

Grave sites:

Half of the regions introduced so far have Pokemon grave sites. But the question is, under what condition would a Pokemon die?

Obedience:

This is a difficult aspect as well. In the video game series it only applies to outsiders. I still apply the obedience range of Gym badges, but it also applies to Pokemon that the trainer caught themselves as well. But i feel as if I should extend "disobedience" beyond that, while having no idea how to.

That's everything.

User talk:Benayla

2015-04-11T03:59:31Z

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== "Pokemon desktop" help. ==

I might have mentioned this before and it's something I seek Bulbapedia's help with, I have what I've always called "Pokemon desktops", the name being exactly what it sounds like, here:

http://bunnovaila.deviantart.com/gallery/47507282/pokemon-desktops

Simply put, i recreated the six current main series Pokemon regions on my six computer accounts (creating five of them just for that sake, my "Main account" ended up being Kanto). Complete with trainers and their "Pokegear" folders containing Pokeballs, badge cases, etc. Everything about it except for evolving the Pokemon is easier to use on a Macontosh than Microsoft Windows though. But as you can see from the link i switched to Windows for a reason i refuse to bore anyone with.

More to the point, There are some Pokemon aspects that leave me at a loss for what to do in some situations with this, and regarding that, I thought "who better to bring it up with than Bulbapedia?" I would've considered asking the "Pokemon Wiki" for help too, but they seem fond of making things up to "sound cool" So:

Evolution related inquiries:

With many ridiculously elaborate Evolution methods, I've ran into several impasses on this matter.

Trade evolutions:

While I've already got this down on my desktop regions, it has always baffled me how Pokemon need to be traded to evolve? I've just never been able to begin to understand how that works. I mean i understand that it's to play up the trade feature, but it doesn't make sense. My method for this is akin to what was seen in the Pokemon Special Manga, the traded Pokemon evolve not as soon as the trade is completed, but into their next battle following the trade, as was seen with Green/Blue's Machoke under Red's ownership.

On a related note, every single trade that occurs in my Pokemon regions has always been for the sole purpose of evolution, and they don't trade back either. It's always just trading two Pokemon that evolve when traded, holding an item or not.

Wurmple:

Wurmple's branched evolution is nothing short of a road block for me with this. From what i was reading on the "Personality Value" discussion it appears the decision would be left up to me. But, I record a trainer's Pokemon's Data, including its gender and nature on their "trainer card". So Since these desktops lack video game generated integers like that and Assuming Personality Value extends beyond Gender and Nature, is any Wurmple's evolution essentially my decision? Or do i have to go by something specific?

Friendship dependent evolution:

This is another one that would point to essentially being up to me. But I'm the kind of person with the extreme need to be realistic. Maybe i should read Bulpapedia's article about that fully though, but seriously, in order to be realistic would I have to memorize every such Pokemon's base friendship on top of every battle each such individual has won/lost, on top of all else that effects friendship? Ai Yai yai.

Inkay:

Normally, Inkay evolves at level thirty when holding the console upside down, easily the most elaborate and otherwise random evolution method I have ever heard. But how do i correspond that with my Pokemon desktop? Not all trainers have Pokedexes, but for those who do should they just flip their's upside down? Or maybe just to be as realistic as possible I'll hold my laptop upside down whenever i run into an Inkay reaching level thirty. My Kalos desktop was just recently created anyway so....

Come to think of it, since James has an Inkay i wonder how the anime will handle its possible evolution.

Tyrogue:

Once again this would essentially point to being my decision. But once again I'm really realistic, but the problem is, i have absolutely no way of determining stats like this. So....I guess it is solely my choice.

Sylveon:

While surprisingly Eevee's evolutions have always been easy to handle for me despite all else. I don't know how to go about implementing the "Pokemon Amie" into my desktops. And again my Kalos desktop is new, so would I just have trainers calling their Eevees out for whatever? And then it has to know a Fairy type move, obviously.

Feebas:

A Pokemon with two evolutions methods and the same evolved form leaves me backed in. I mean the Unova based game's method is easy. But as for the "original method", well....

Goodra:

Since the weather condition has to occur "naturally" instead of rain causing moves, the only thing i can think of is Sligoo only evolving when reach level fifty when it's actually raining outside my house (or wherever i am). But since i live in Arizona of all places....

Mega Evolution:

While this borders between evolution and form changes (or so it is identified by the "Pokemon Wiki"), As my Kalos desktop is my newest one I have yet to incorporate Mega evolution yet. And based on everything surrounding it that matter appears to be complicated. I mean my idea is simple, just attach the Mega Stone to the Pokemon in question, but as for the trainer, There's no Key stone sprite or anything, I've searched the internet for one and ended up with nothing. I saw this site has a bag sprite for the Mega Ring, but i know i should attach a Key stone and whatever accessory to the trainer too. I mean i can work with the Mega Bangle sprite because it depicts the stone, but the Mega Ring's sprite doesn't.

Two more things, selecting trainers, because it's seemingly treated as "sacred", i feel i should limit Mega evolution's usage to a specific number of trainers, maybe twenty? And make only the named amount of Key stones and accessories for them. The other thing pertains to the Pokemon, I would attach cut the Mega stone sprite and paste it to the Pokemon itself (obviously, which is the same thing i do with evolution inducing held items). And of course they'd Mega Evolve, but the problem is for when they revert back, should i just copy the image of that Pokemon and save it somewhere? I mean i cant think of anything else to do about that.

Now that evolution is out of the way, there are actually more things i feel the need to ask for assistance with.

Gym Leader/Gym Battle protocol:

I brought this up on the Gym Leader's discussion page, in the first season of the anime it's mentioned that Pokemon League rules dictate Gym Leaders must except every challenge. This ironclad detail at times smurfs my desktop protocol off, particularly when a trainer has been defeated by a certain Gym Leader time after time. But that "rule" seems to have been forgotten, i recall the Best Wishes anime episode when Clay only accepted Ash's challenge in return for a bag of Revival Herbs, and then the current series when Clemont, while unintentionally, made the "four badges" requirement. But above both instances, In Pokemon Origins, Giovanni says he "decided to go ahead" and accept Blue's challenge, implying that he didn't have to. So I'm very conflicted with this part.

For the battles themselves though, I usually find myself opening up the specific Gym Leader's Bulbapedia page, because memorizing every single Gym Leader's Pokemon and their moves is difficult. As is the case in the Anime, the Trainer is only allowed to use an equal number of Pokemon to the Gym Leader's, my desktop Gym Leader's teams and their move sets/abilities are strictly identical to the games instead however. The protocol beyond that is exactly what you'd think.

Held Items:

This is something that, besides anything evolution related i haven't even been able to do at all. Simply put, in the case of an Evolutionary Stone or Evolution inducing held item, i simply attach it to the Pokemon and when the condition is met (or in the case of a Stone, automatically) The Pokemon evolves and the Item disappears, because i paste over the evolved form of course.

But the issue with any other held item, namely one that wouldn't disappear normally would be a problem, when it comes to computer images removing it would result in removing "part of the Pokemon" itself, if you understand where I'm going with that. This unfortunately renders Abilities like Pickup, Klutz, Cheek Pouch, Et Cetera, completely useless. The only solution i can think of is putting the held item in an area on the image in a place where that wouldn't be a problem, but....

Form Differences:

This one shouldn't be very difficult. But still:

Cherrim:

Is Cherrim's Form interchangeable? Or is it "stuck" in whichever one after it evolves depending on whether or not Sunny Day is in effect when it evolves from Cherubi?

Castform:

Is there Sugimori Artwork for all of Castform's forms? Because otherwise that leads to a Problem, Based on their appearance i assume the Castform forms depicted in the corresponding Bulbapedia article are Dream World images, which i completely ban from my desktops anyway.

Burmy:

Which routes yield which form changes for Burmy?

Kyurem:

Easily the most difficult, the game mechanic is essentially fusing Pokemon. But on a system like this....

Aegislash:

Which moves yield which form? I foresee battles with Aegislash as almost constantly having to switch forms.

Grave sites:

Half of the regions introduced so far have Pokemon grave sites. But the question is, under what condition would a Pokemon die?

Obedience:

This is a difficult aspect as well. In the video game series it only applies to outsiders. I still apply the obedience range of Gym badges, but it also applies to Pokemon that the trainer caught themselves as well. But i feel as if I should extend "disobedience" beyond that, while having no idea how to.

That's everything.

Talk:Penelope (XY013)

2015-04-11T03:41:45Z

Benayla: /* Nymphia's gender? */ new section

== Japanese Voice Actress ==

[https://twitter.com/terachan0804/status/423796050256592896 This Yuka Terasaki's tweet] said that she voiced Premier in addition to Ash's Fletchling in XY013.
Due to the credit prioritizes main and recurring characters over CotD, Premier's cast wasn't credited. [[User:Obscurites|Obscurites]] ([[User talk:Obscurites|talk]]) 15:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

== English Name? ==

xfinity's description of this episode has come up. It is as follows: "Ash faces his first [[Fairy (type)|Fairy-type]] Pokemonsic; Ash agrees to visit Penelope's kindergarten class and changes a young boy's life." This could mean that Premier's English name is Penelope. I am not changing the regular page because this information could be false. If somebody can confirm this from an official source, that is when the name should be changed. [[User:Bigpboy|Bigpboy]] ([[User talk:Bigpboy|talk]]) 14:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:The official site also called her Penelope. However, it's best to wait until the episode airs, in case they misidentify her like they did with [[Nanette]]. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

== Nymphia's gender? ==

While English dub exclusive, Penelope's debut episode Dialogue suggests Ash's Froakie is a male. So since her Sylveon's attract affected "him" does that make the Intertwining Pokemon a female?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Differences between the Pokémon games and animated series

2015-04-10T23:58:23Z

Benayla: /* TM non existence */ new section

Eggs have differing appearances in the games too: check out the Gen II instruction books. They just never were implemented in the games because that's a lot of freaking sprite data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be Status conditions don't really apply to the Anime, nor do levels. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 19:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now I saw an episode with Pokémon being confused, and paralized. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 13:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== Is it needed? ==

The differences between games and anime are countless. Those are two different worlds (or one world, but TERRIBLY conveyed by the anime). The Special-to-games differences article would be way more interesting. Because there's not THAT many differences, yet there still are some and they're way more exciting that in the anime (like Elite Four being evil, while it's a pretty controversial change, this is just too "genius" for the anime). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:Well then make Differences between games and manga. Truthfully, I dislike the manga... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
::Is it ''still'' needed? I'm interested in contributing by categorizing the differences either by grade (eg.: from minor ones to the ones that would even lead to controversy) or some other attibute. --[[User:Solovino|Solovino]] 18:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::We need a better picture... --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 12:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Picture of the eggs ==

I think that should be a different picture. It is Sugimori art (aka: Game art), not anime art. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:For future reference, they should all be in [[a:Category:Egg]]. Screenshot located and inserted. (Now if you could get back to me on the Project Anime talk page....:D Cheers) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard was traded ==

In charmander's debut, he was technically acquired from another trainer. This could suggest that he was traded, allowing him to be ornery as a charmeleon and a charizard. [[User:SamOak|SamOak]] 21:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Differences==
Like the person said above me, Charizard was previously owned by another person, so the "disobeying" didn't exactly differ from the games. The way the game handles NPCs giving the player Pokémon (such as an NPC giving the player a Charmander) is slightly flawed since it records the Original Trainer as the player, even though the player wasn't the "original trainer". But say it was a Mew received from a Nintendo event... even though it wouldn't have been "traded" it might still disobey me... so this isn't really a difference between the game and anime so much as it is a mistake with the game's programming. However, the fact that Charizard continues to disobey Ash even after Ash receives the proper badges ''is'' a difference.

Anyway, I'd like to point out an inconsistency on Bulbapedia (not really sure how this can be corrected since the problem is on numerous pages. Correcting each individual page would be a lot of work, not to mention people will probably just change them back). Articles on here seem to list certain facts as "errors" when the games and anime don't correspond. The truth is that these aren't errors... just differences between the two. Just a few examples of what I mean are:

- [[M01]] - It says that Pikachu's electric attack working on Golem is an error. This is covered in this article as a difference, and so it's not really an "error".

- [[EP046]] - Pikachu's electric attack had no impact on Kabutops. This is similar to my previous example, but not covered in this article. Maybe it should be added? (That Rock-type seems to have resistance / immunity to electric attacks... in the first season at least)

- [[EP022]] - "Only Ghost-types can fight the Psychic-type". I don't think that's an error... there has never been any indication that Bug-type attacks ''are'' super-effective against the Psychic-type in the anime. This could just be another difference in type effectiveness (like my previous 2 examples) [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 03:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

== TM non existence ==

Is it worthy of mention that while Technical Machines appear non existent in the anime at least one appeared in "The Electric Tale of Pikachu", a Manga based off of the anime? --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 23:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Shauna

2015-04-10T23:41:47Z

Benayla: /* Nickname of Traded starter */ new section

== Korean name for Shauna ==

Her Korean name is 사나 ''Sana''.
* Transliteration of Japanese name. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 23:10, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== only rival w/ puesdo legendary? ==

i am not sure i dont remember but i am pretty sure shes the only rival to use a puesdo legendary can someone double check? if it is true is this worthy of trivia? {{unsigned|‎Pokemonisawesome2}}

yeah I just quick skimmed through the rivals in they're final matches non but her have puesdo legends. Note worthy? {{unsigned|‎Pokemonisawesome2}}
:[[Blue (game)#Rematches|Blue uses Tyranitar]] in FireRed/LeafGreen.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
::oh yeah, see I checked the initial match I didnt see the rematch thanks. I tought it was weird blue didnt have any because all the champions I can remember do. what about that she is the only rival you fight in the begining of the with a starter weak to yours, like in red&blue you pick then blue grabs the starter ur weak to then u fight I am pretty sure every game your first rival battle is just the starter your weak to at lvl 5 but in X&Y u fight shauna who picks the starter ur strong against (this needs re-wording I cant say this right hopefully you get the gist) is this noteworthy? I wanna put something in trivia cause it bothers me there isnt even a trivia section. (sry all my stuff is unsigned I am REALLY forgetful) [[User:Pokemonisawesome2|Pokemonisawesome2]] ([[User talk:Pokemonisawesome2|talk]]) 00:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
:::That's not unique to Shauna either, [[Bianca]] also picks the starter with a type disadvantage.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 01:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
::::gosh darnit I completely forgot about that. thats right u fight both cheren and bianca in the begining god this is why i have like no edits

== Anime Picture: ==

I've looked at her picture from the anime, and while the picture has good quality, the angle/pose Shauna from the anime is doing is terrible as her arm is in the way. Could it be possible to change it. I think having a picture of her talking to Serena while bent down would work better. Thanks :) - [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 22:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== Shauna's Hometown ==

I created a discussion on Tierno's talk page a while ago citing that perhaps both his and Shauna's hometowns be listed as unknown since we never see it mentioned in-game. Since then, Tierno's infobox has been updated to list that he is from Santalune City (with an asterisk noting that this is in the anime only). I think it might be a good idea to list the same thing in Shauna's infobox until we get official confirmation in-game, since this at least has some worth within the Pokémon media. I mean, while her being from Vaniville Town is an educated guess, it is still only a presumption and not some form of canonical fact. [[User:Evacino|'''evacino''']][[User talk:Evacino|''' (talk)''']] 16:23, 23 September 2014 (BST)

== Nickname of Traded starter ==

Is she the first Rival to nickname one of their Pokemon? Because she nicknames the starter Pokemon that she ends up trading to the player. --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 23:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Ash's Goodra

2015-04-10T03:17:46Z

Benayla: /* Hydration */ new section

Shouldn't we put that Goomy may evolve in a future episode as the opening shows Goomy evolving into Goodra.Pichu911 12:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:When the episode in question is revealed, then we'll add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:11, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Is this trivia worthy? ==

Is it worth mentioning that Goomy is Ash's first pure Dragon-type Pokémon? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 18:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

: I would say no, because this is Ash's second Dragon-type Pokémon not fifth or something like that so it isn't that significant. [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 17:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

PKMNAdventurer Stated that Goomy is Ash Full non Secondary Dragon Type Typing,I Meant that because His Gible is a Dragon and Ground Types {{unsigned|TitaniumDrago}}

Maybe they should add a trivia that says Goomy is the second Dragon type Pokémon who can evolve into a Pseudo Legendary, the first is Gible. [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 03:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:Seconds are not notable. And saying it is the first pure type is just stretching the trivia to make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

== Ability? ==
How do we know that Goomy's ability is Hydtration? Its body drying out is the reason why it needs water which is in its Pokedex entry.Pichu911 21:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

: Although its already been removed, unless Ash or one of his friends mentions that it being healed is due to Hydration (I don't understand Japanese so I don't know), we shouldn't add it until its confirmed. [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 17:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Data Broadcast ==

We got data broadcast for Sligoo finally so Goomy's rapid evolution was true so shouldn't we now protect the page and put that Goomy is set to evolve in a future episode.Pichu911 00:32, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:We know it's going to evolve, we don't know ''when''. Until the episode in question has been announced, it will stay unprotected. I've semi protected for now, just in case other users want to add information about it for future episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

:Actually the broadcast data was for XY065 so we actually know when it is going to evolve.Pichu911 04:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Is it really worth putting up a full protection for this page, I know its because of an user making bad and presumptive edits, but shouldn't we wait until a preview like a magazine reveals the episode number (I think an earlier post mentioned it to be XY065 or something) [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 19:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
:I gave users a chance to edit this page, but a few users are really impatient, thus forcing me to fully protect this page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:: Fair enough, I didn't know that speculation was that bad on pages with future spoilers, but I see what you're saying [[User:StephenWalker97|StephenWalker97]] ([[User talk:StephenWalker97|talk]]) 17:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

{Outdent] I'm going to suggest that protection now be disabled on a trial run. Having full protection prohibits productive work on the page. I do agree that speculation should be restrained, however, and can also keep an eye here if I see anything not allowed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

== XY 061 Preview Confirms Evolution? ==
We have a confirmation of evolution into Sliggoo. Seeing the preview, it shows Goomy seemingly evolving into Sliggoo at some point during the episode. I know we usually wait until the airing of the episode, but I thought I could mention it. Was I right? --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] ([[User talk:Pokemon26|talk]]) 03:48, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, the preview does show it starting to evolve. However, on this site we do not mention it until the event has happened. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

== Evidence of final evolution ==

There has been evidence of Sliggoo evolving into Goodra prior to or during Ash's Gym battle with Clemont, so once the necessary information has been added, could you please protect this page again? [[User:?8|???]][[User talk:?8|???]] 16:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree, I saw the evidence, and since you already protected Luxio and Fennekin's pages, you should protect this one too. [[User:MrSpheal|MrSpheal]] 17:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

== XY065 preview and page Confirms Evolution? ==
Since Goodra is set to debut in XY065, you should protect Sliggoo's page and it should say "This article has been protected due to evidence that the subject of this article may evolve in XY065. It will be unprotected when XY065 airs." - {{unsigned|liamisgreat}}
::That Goodra is actually evolution of Ash's Sliggoo. Information with hidden message was added. Since the protected prohibited new user's edit, let me do it for the admins. Sorry for arrogation. [[User:KyleRGiggs|KyleRGiggs]] 15:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Unless users are continuously adding the information to the page, I have no need to fully protect the page until the week before XY065 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

== Goomy's VA in the Dub ==

I wonder who voiced Goomy in the English version?--JasonL 17:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])

We don't really know. After all,, the episode just aired in the US today. There is no confirmation of who actually voiced Goomy in the dub, nor do we have any source that tells us. We should hold off on this until some official source confirms who voiced Goomy in the dub. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 17:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay. But since its article page is locked, guess we won't know for sure.--JasonL 14:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])

== Goodra's Final Image ==

Since I am pretty sure this page will never change again later on I would like to ask directly if we couldn't better do a picture of Goodra which shows a bit more of its character? I found this picture, which is about 1 second after the current picture, which shows much more of its character, that still has that good old goomy character. I found this image, I can't find it in a higher res atm. And the current picture I see is exactly the same as I saw on character biography on serebii, but that could be a coincidence. http://i.imgur.com/sje8JMw.jpg [[User:Karstvgl|karstvgl]] 13:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

== Will Goodra be released ==

Have any of you been on Serebii anime spoilers and saw the clip for future episodes and it wasn't in the bio for the movie as well ? {{unsigned|Pikastar}}
:We don't know. It's possible, but this isn't the place for speculation. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 18:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

== This is Ash's second pseudo legendary ==

He has a Gible, but it IS his first fully evolved pseudo legendary.--[[User:Scorcher9009|Scorcher9009]] ([[User talk:Scorcher9009|talk]]) 23:27, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:Gible is not a pseudo-Legend, it evolves into one. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
::Pseudo-Legendaries are only the final stage of evolution (the name is a nod to their high Stats), although Gible becomes a Pseudo, the first and second stage is not a Pseudo-Legendary [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 14:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

== Protection ==
Should this be protected? Based on the episode titles it might leave? {{unsigned|Pikastar}}
:Unless users are continuously adding that it will be released, I see no need to protect the page until the week before XY070 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
::I'd at least want this page closely monitored; XY070 was recently protected. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 20:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::XY070 was ''move'' protected, a standard practice for episode articles. Nonetheless, the page will be closely monitored. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

== Hydration ==

Is it noteworthy that Goodra is Ash's first Kalos Pokemon to activate its ability? --[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 03:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)