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== Flying? ==

According to trivia Gyarados has been seen flying in the anime. What episode/movie was this? -- Nepse 04:11, 27.02.12 (UTC)

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now... {{unsigned|Kasumi-chan}}
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:: You definitely didn't use Gyarados for Fly, short of gamesharking your original game... [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 18:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It's worth a try, if you want the golden Mudkip enough. [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers have a gyarados in their party than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
::Well, Gyarados is still easy to defeat with {{m|thunder}}. Yeah, D/P is supposed to be harder than the previous games. In the hoenn games the trainers in Victory Road only had the first evolution in the Alakzam evolutionary line. But trainers actually had the evolved forms of all the Pokémon that evolve via trading without the aid of an item. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Snorlax Sprite? ==

Why is there a Snorlax sprite with the Gyarados sprites? It should be removed {{unsigned|Posidon09}}
:You're right it should be. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fixed. Sign your comments on talk pages pls. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 22:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually sign, don't understand why I forgot this time... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Difference? ==

In the game, is there a SINGLE way to differentiate the male and female Gyarados? No, I don't think so. (Other than the male and female symbol) So what is the use of putting in the article "The female has white barbells"?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

It's the WHISKERS--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this guy does not own one of the Gen IV games, when female and male differences became apparent. [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 13:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== did I miss something ==
why does it say this ''In Generation II, it became the first and only shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, along with being the only 100% certain shiny encounter''
becos in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 a pokemon was shiny. [[user:GoldsWigglytuff ]]
:That was written before MD2 was released. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== The only shiny... ==

This article claims that in Generation II, Gyarados "became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot". What is the other? If it is referring to the news report at the start of DPPt, isn't that referring to the same Gyarados? I apologise if this is not what it is referring to, as I have not played Platinum or any non-main series games. If my theory is not the case, perhaps this page should link to or indicate what the other pokemon is. For example: "it became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, the other is X"[[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 13:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's another Gyarados... After all, the Gen 2 was in Johto and the Gen 4 was in Sinnoh. If it's another Pokémon then I agree that it should be linked.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Shiny Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 13:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Read the section ''right above this one''. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Haha, my bad, sorry. This page should probably say something like "the other one was Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2" or words to that effect. [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 15:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Gyarados ATK ==

Should we add that Gyarados has the Highest ATK Stat of all the Water Type Pokemon? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:No it doesn't. {{p|Kingler}} does. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Then Gyarados has the Second highest ATK Of all The Water type Pokemon only surpassed by Kingler [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::True, but that's really not too notable. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Has any body else noticed this? ==

I don't know how, but I was fishing in [[Fuchsia City]] hoping to catch a {{p|Psyduck}} when I encountered and caught a lv. 16 Gyarados (I swear to {{p|Arceus}} that I didn't cheat)! Is this normal? has anyone else found an under-aged Gyarados? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's normal. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 23:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Red Gyarados in D/P ==

This page previously stated that the Red Gyarados in GSC was mentioned at the beginning of DP. This isn't necessarily true, however, because you can find Red Gyaradoses any time, it doesn't necessarily mean it was the same one from GSC. It is shiny after all, so it could have been found in Lake Verity for all we know. {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:It's meant to be an assumption and connection to Gen II. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Water/Dragon? ==

In the trivia, someone noted that Gyarados was probably going to be Water/Dragon typed. This, however, is likely speculation.--[[User:GreenGyarados|''Green'']][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|ギャラ]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|ドス]] 03:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:This has been discussed on the first section at the top of the page. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 03:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's been discussed, but that doesn't mean it was proven. Besides, why would they care that Gyarados wouldn't have any weaknesses? They already made {{p|Sableye|two}} {{p|Spiritomb|Pokémon}} that lack weaknesses. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== unconfirmed (?) ==

The Lake of Rage is a known nesting area for a red Gyarados, something that researchers believe happen when a Magikarp is forced to evolve, having no time to change its scale color from red to blue.

Is that true? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes? What's the problem? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's just that that is only in the anime, in the games it most likely was just a normal shiny Gyarados, or something of the sort. [[Talk:Red Gyarados|Unown Lord explains it pretty well]]. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, in the games, it isn't just a shiny pokemon. It says that radio waves forced them to evolve so fast that they had red scales in the crystal version. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 07:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Parenting Fish-Beast ==
In the episode Houndoom's special delivery Ash, Brock, and Misty ran into a Gyarados. Brock said that the Gyaradose looked small and suggested that its parents may be swimming neer by. This sugests that Gyarados take care of their young or at the very least meet up with their offspring later in life. should this be added to the behavior section? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 23:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== 3rd Gen back sprites ==

In FireRed and LeafGreen Gyarado's back sprite is different than the R/S/E one. Too bad I don't have a way of uploading the sprite to prove it. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/gyarados/flavor#main-sprites:gen-iii There's proof here.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== FRLG Sprites ==

Has any one else noticed that the first segment behind G's head is reversed and that the fins on Segments 2 and 3 are different depending on what side you are viewing [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 16:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Gyarados looks sorta like the creature from the black lagoon. Or whatev. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Dunno what that guy is talking about, but I do have something to say about Gyarados' origin. In the part where it says that its Flying Type may be a reference to the karp kites, wouldn't it make more sense to say that it's a reference to Chinese dragon kites? They totally look like Gyarados. They have the constantly open mouth, the horn like things at the top, and they even move alike. Just saying. --[[User:Baroque|Baroque]] ([[User talk:Baroque|talk]]) 10:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== Gyrados was dragon instead of flying in beta ==

this should really be in the trivia, Gyrados was origonally intended to be a dragon type rather than a flying type but due to its typing and the only gen I dragon type move being a set damage move gyrados woukd have had no weakness so they changed it to a flying type {{unsigned|Piexd}}
:Do you have any '''proof''' of that claim? And sign your comments with four tildes. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

:It's unlikely that Gyarados was "originally" intended to be a Dragon-type, since Dragon type seems to have been a late addition to the original Pokémon games. Heck, Gyarados might have even been programmed into the game (as a Water/Flying-type) before the Dragon type itself. If you look at how the type chart in Red/Green/Blue is programmed (using a hex editor and one of the ROMs), every weakness/resistance related to the Dragon type is crammed in at the very end. Fire/Water/Electric/Grass being not very effective vs. Dragon and Ice/Dragon being super effective are the very last entries in the type weakness/resistance data section, rather than being programmed in earlier (such as in the section where they have every Fire weak/resist listed, then every Water, and so on.)
: You'll probably never get an official statement saying "Dragon was a last-minute addition" (though I could be wrong, they have admitted that Mew was basically stuck into the first empty Pokémon data slot at the last second before release! XD), but the evidence for it is right there in the game. That's probably why Gyarados was never Water/Dragon, more so than "it wouldn't have any weaknesses." I mean, Psychic-types essentially had no weaknesses in the 1st-gen games due to how weak Bug attacks were back then, and if the Ghost-types weren't part-Poison they would only take "super effective" damage from ''Lick'' of all things. --[[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 23:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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== Flying? ==

According to trivia Gyarados has been seen flying in the anime. What episode/movie was this? -- Nepse 04:11, 27.02.12 (UTC)

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now... {{unsigned|Kasumi-chan}}
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:: You definitely didn't use Gyarados for Fly, short of gamesharking your original game... [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 18:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It's worth a try, if you want the golden Mudkip enough. [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers have a gyarados in their party than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
::Well, Gyarados is still easy to defeat with {{m|thunder}}. Yeah, D/P is supposed to be harder than the previous games. In the hoenn games the trainers in Victory Road only had the first evolution in the Alakzam evolutionary line. But trainers actually had the evolved forms of all the Pokémon that evolve via trading without the aid of an item. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Snorlax Sprite? ==

Why is there a Snorlax sprite with the Gyarados sprites? It should be removed {{unsigned|Posidon09}}
:You're right it should be. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fixed. Sign your comments on talk pages pls. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 22:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually sign, don't understand why I forgot this time... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Difference? ==

In the game, is there a SINGLE way to differentiate the male and female Gyarados? No, I don't think so. (Other than the male and female symbol) So what is the use of putting in the article "The female has white barbells"?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

It's the WHISKERS--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this guy does not own one of the Gen IV games, when female and male differences became apparent. [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 13:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== did I miss something ==
why does it say this ''In Generation II, it became the first and only shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, along with being the only 100% certain shiny encounter''
becos in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 a pokemon was shiny. [[user:GoldsWigglytuff ]]
:That was written before MD2 was released. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== The only shiny... ==

This article claims that in Generation II, Gyarados "became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot". What is the other? If it is referring to the news report at the start of DPPt, isn't that referring to the same Gyarados? I apologise if this is not what it is referring to, as I have not played Platinum or any non-main series games. If my theory is not the case, perhaps this page should link to or indicate what the other pokemon is. For example: "it became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, the other is X"[[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 13:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's another Gyarados... After all, the Gen 2 was in Johto and the Gen 4 was in Sinnoh. If it's another Pokémon then I agree that it should be linked.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Shiny Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 13:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Read the section ''right above this one''. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Haha, my bad, sorry. This page should probably say something like "the other one was Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2" or words to that effect. [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 15:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Gyarados ATK ==

Should we add that Gyarados has the Highest ATK Stat of all the Water Type Pokemon? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:No it doesn't. {{p|Kingler}} does. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Then Gyarados has the Second highest ATK Of all The Water type Pokemon only surpassed by Kingler [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::True, but that's really not too notable. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Has any body else noticed this? ==

I don't know how, but I was fishing in [[Fuchsia City]] hoping to catch a {{p|Psyduck}} when I encountered and caught a lv. 16 Gyarados (I swear to {{p|Arceus}} that I didn't cheat)! Is this normal? has anyone else found an under-aged Gyarados? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's normal. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 23:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Red Gyarados in D/P ==

This page previously stated that the Red Gyarados in GSC was mentioned at the beginning of DP. This isn't necessarily true, however, because you can find Red Gyaradoses any time, it doesn't necessarily mean it was the same one from GSC. It is shiny after all, so it could have been found in Lake Verity for all we know. {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:It's meant to be an assumption and connection to Gen II. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Water/Dragon? ==

In the trivia, someone noted that Gyarados was probably going to be Water/Dragon typed. This, however, is likely speculation.--[[User:GreenGyarados|''Green'']][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|ギャラ]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|ドス]] 03:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:This has been discussed on the first section at the top of the page. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 03:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's been discussed, but that doesn't mean it was proven. Besides, why would they care that Gyarados wouldn't have any weaknesses? They already made {{p|Sableye|two}} {{p|Spiritomb|Pokémon}} that lack weaknesses. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== unconfirmed (?) ==

The Lake of Rage is a known nesting area for a red Gyarados, something that researchers believe happen when a Magikarp is forced to evolve, having no time to change its scale color from red to blue.

Is that true? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes? What's the problem? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's just that that is only in the anime, in the games it most likely was just a normal shiny Gyarados, or something of the sort. [[Talk:Red Gyarados|Unown Lord explains it pretty well]]. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, in the games, it isn't just a shiny pokemon. It says that radio waves forced them to evolve so fast that they had red scales in the crystal version. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 07:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Parenting Fish-Beast ==
In the episode Houndoom's special delivery Ash, Brock, and Misty ran into a Gyarados. Brock said that the Gyaradose looked small and suggested that its parents may be swimming neer by. This sugests that Gyarados take care of their young or at the very least meet up with their offspring later in life. should this be added to the behavior section? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 23:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== 3rd Gen back sprites ==

In FireRed and LeafGreen Gyarado's back sprite is different than the R/S/E one. Too bad I don't have a way of uploading the sprite to prove it. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/gyarados/flavor#main-sprites:gen-iii There's proof here.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== FRLG Sprites ==

Has any one else noticed that the first segment behind G's head is reversed and that the fins on Segments 2 and 3 are different depending on what side you are viewing [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 16:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Gyarados looks sorta like the creature from the black lagoon. Or whatev. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Dunno what that guy is talking about, but I do have something to say about Gyarados' origin. In the part where it says that it's Flying Type may be a reference to the karp kites, wouldn't it make more sense to say that it's a reference to Chinese dragon kites? They totally look like Gyarados. They have the constantly open mouth, the horn like things at the top, and they even move alike. Just saying. --[[User:Baroque|Baroque]] ([[User talk:Baroque|talk]]) 10:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== Gyrados was dragon instead of flying in beta ==

this should really be in the trivia, Gyrados was origonally intended to be a dragon type rather than a flying type but due to its typing and the only gen I dragon type move being a set damage move gyrados woukd have had no weakness so they changed it to a flying type {{unsigned|Piexd}}
:Do you have any '''proof''' of that claim? And sign your comments with four tildes. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

:It's unlikely that Gyarados was "originally" intended to be a Dragon-type, since Dragon type seems to have been a late addition to the original Pokémon games. Heck, Gyarados might have even been programmed into the game (as a Water/Flying-type) before the Dragon type itself. If you look at how the type chart in Red/Green/Blue is programmed (using a hex editor and one of the ROMs), every weakness/resistance related to the Dragon type is crammed in at the very end. Fire/Water/Electric/Grass being not very effective vs. Dragon and Ice/Dragon being super effective are the very last entries in the type weakness/resistance data section, rather than being programmed in earlier (such as in the section where they have every Fire weak/resist listed, then every Water, and so on.)
: You'll probably never get an official statement saying "Dragon was a last-minute addition" (though I could be wrong, they have admitted that Mew was basically stuck into the first empty Pokémon data slot at the last second before release! XD), but the evidence for it is right there in the game. That's probably why Gyarados was never Water/Dragon, more so than "it wouldn't have any weaknesses." I mean, Psychic-types essentially had no weaknesses in the 1st-gen games due to how weak Bug attacks were back then, and if the Ghost-types weren't part-Poison they would only take "super effective" damage from ''Lick'' of all things. --[[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 23:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Charizard (Pokémon)

2011-04-30T12:47:35Z

Baroque:

==Um, o.O==
"The most spectacular behavior of the Charizard occurs during the breeding season. In the wild, a male in control of a territory will send blasts of fire-breath into the sky. This is a signal to females and rivals alike that the resident male is fit, strong, and confident enough to use his fire for a mere display. When a female accepts the male, the two fly high into the sky, lock talons and plummet into a dizzying dive. They break apart only a few meters from the ground, combining the passion of mating with the thrill of freefall. After the female lays her eggs, the two parents take turns guarding them and keeping them warm with their flame."

Is it just me, or does that passage sound suspiciously like a segment from that Animal Planet special about dragons? Anyone know the one I'm talking about? -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 18:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:Lol. It DOES sound like a show about dragons. XD; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 18:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

So Charizard is a Dragon. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 09:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Last time I checked, Charizard was never featured on Animal Planet. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 12:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I honestly think it should be removed then. This is an encyclopedia for serious Pokémon fans, right? So we should only keep truth. I honestly think that info that can't be reached on the official Pokémon cards, the anime, the movies, or the games should be removed, unless sourced. Hmm, come to think of it, is it a good idea to make a template similar to ''[citation needed]'' tag on Wikipedia? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I was going to make one myself if nobody else did. XD -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Nevermind, I realized we already have one. <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> is there. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 13:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

|; I saw a show on Dragon's once, and i'll pretty sure it said exactly that. It was called "The Last Dragon" [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 15:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that sounds exactly like what this one kind of seabird does. Excluding the firebreath, of course.--[[User:Shard1697|Shard1697]] 22:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:Bald Eagles do everything listed with the exception of, um...breathing fire. And I'm pretty sure all this stuff was pulled from that Discovery Channel dragon special anyway.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

But pokémon don't lay eggs, do they?Glitchym1[[User:Glitchym1|Mglitch]] 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Jersey Devil ==

Really??? The page on Wikipedia shows the Jersey Devil looking like a skinny horse with bat-like wings. Charizard doesn't really reflect this... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

WHAT????Glitchym1[[User:Glitchym1|Mglitch]] 19:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Wonderin' ==

I'm thinking of writing that Charizard is a very known trademark....... I mean, come on, right? You guys would know that it IS a very known Pokémon trademark. So, well, I wrote it on the top part, where it says it's cover appearances........... and it got erased......... Do you guys think it should be written in trivia? I'm just WONDERIN'............. I think I should get you guys' appinions' on this........[[Image:Ani006MS.gif|32px]] [[User:Dragonbeastx|Dragonbeastx]] 03:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I don't see the point of pointing it out... Articles are written for info on a determined Pokémon species, not its trademarks and stuff like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay...[[Image:Ani006MS.png‎|32px]]Still Charizard.......He, he.......[[User:Dragonbeastx|Dragonbeastx]] 17:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trapinch ==

How is it fail? I did just say that not all Pokemon are introduced in the next generation following when they were designed... The Gastrodons are evidence of that, having been designed in third generation and introduced in fourth. The same is true for Trapinch, which was originally intended to be the pre-evolution of Charizard, but was discarded and reintroduced later on as a Bug type. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 06:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:Umm... Proof??? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

:The thing is, they ''said so'' in an interview that Shellos and Gastrodon were initially to be in Gen III. Nothing at all indicates Trapinch is related in any way to Charizard, especially considering the fact that, as the starters, it's highly likely they were among the first evolutionary lines finalized. Pokémon Red and Green came out in 1996, and were being worked on for six whole years beforehand. Ruby and Sapphire came out in 2003. Sure, there's possibility that maybe Trapinch was intended for Gen I, but there's possibility Ambipom was too. There's possibility that Mewthree really exists, and that Missingno. is really a SUPER HYPER LEGENDARYYYYYY. Except not. We didn't even acknowledge Giratina as part of the dragon trio until shortly before Platinum.
:Now, where's this concept art with Trapinch and Charizard together? Hm? Any proof at all? Because going by the Red and Green sprites is just... no.
:And by the way, Trapinch is a {{type2|Ground}}. It doesn't become Ground/Bug until it evolves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's Ground/Dragon actually. It never was a Bug-type. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I never said that there was concept art of them together, just concept art that highly suggests a relationship between the two... I also never said I was going by sprites, so I don't know where you got that from, and whether or not it's a Bug type in its first stage or second is semantics and shouldn't be brought up at all. We're not here to argue, but to discuss. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 06:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Can we see it, please? At the moment this sounds kinda.... suspect. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Sh Kenji I knew that... >>
:::Anyway, look at {{wp|File:Euroleon fg02.jpg|this}} and {{wp|File:Distoleon tetragrammicus01.jpg|this}}. That's the antlion in its larval stage and its adult stage. First looks (and acts) like Trapinch, second is like Flygon (even called a "sand dragon" by some because it resembles a dragonfly). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Preliminary Shot ==

I remember my friend had firered, and he had a charizard and i seem to remember it would attack the oponent upon sending it out, as ash's charizard would. is this true or am i remembering wrong?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 16:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Um... no. There is probably something wrong with the game. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 16:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::The other possibility is that your friend may have hacked or something. I highly doubt that Firered's coding and programming would so much as ''allow'' that to happen in the first place. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 20:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Charizard Picture ==

Hey, is it just me or did the "artwork from FR/LG" picture change? It seems a lot more detailed than before. ----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 06:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:006Charizard.png Yes]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::And yet this one is the fanart. Look it up on TPC's and TPCi's online Dexes and you'll see that the previous artwork was in fact the official one. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Scratch what I said. I spoke from ignorance. The pics of the artwork are being converted, not altered, so there is no problem with the changes. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 10:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== My fav Pokémon ==
Charizard [[Image:Ani006MS.png‎|32px]] is my favorite Pokémon. If Charizard were real, then it would be cool to fly on one. But hey. Will they change the sprite on Black and White? I like this icon [[Image:Ani006MS.png‎|32px]]! Plz Black and White! Don't delete the amazing Charizard! I hope it's still here in Isshu!
([[User:Charchargrl123|Charchargrl123]] 22:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
:This is more suitable for your user page. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==HeartGold/SoulSilver Sprites==
We have the moving sprites for these images, is there a reason they are not being used? If there is no reason, can someone please put them in place of the static ones. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]]
:Because any moving sprites shown on trailers are subject to change. They will only be added once the game is released and someone rips them from the game. [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 22:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, HeartGold and SoulSilver have been released for four months now. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shinyzard ==

Is it common among shiny Pokémon not to retain the previous shiny color upon evolving while non-shiny Pokémon do? Or is Charizard an exception? Should it be mentioned in trivia?--[[User:Kirochi|'''K'''IROCHI''')''']] ([[User talk:Kirochi|talk]]) 14:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:{{p|Starmie|It's}} {{p|Ninetales|extremely}} {{p|Gyarados|common}}. The entire Flygon line {{p|Trapinch|is a}} {{p|Vibrava|freaking}} {{p|Flygon|rainbow}} in their shiny forms. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 15:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks, I get it, trying to guess colors from younger forms is irrelevant :-P--[[User:Kirochi|'''K'''IROCHI''')''']] ([[User talk:Kirochi|talk]]) 20:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:::He said "while non-shiny Pokémon do." Staryu and Starmie aren't normally the same color, nor are Vulpix and Ninetales, Magikarp and Gyarados, or any two members of the Trapinch line. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple cases like Charizard's here... Poliwrath... [[User:BP|BP]] 07:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, now that's a more accurate answer, thanks! This is the confirmation I needed.--[[User:Kirochi|'''K'''IROCHI''')''']] ([[User talk:Kirochi|talk]]) 11:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== Brawl Info ==

In the section about Charizard's other appearances, it says that it's up-special move is [[Fly]]. It looks a lot more like {{m|Flare Blitz}} to me. anyone up for changing this?
- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Fimbulwinter2012}} ([[User talk:Fimbulwinter2012|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fimbulwinter2012|contribs]]) ''
:I'm pretty sure the attack names for Brawl characters are official.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
==IGN's contest thing==
Should we add to the trivia that Charizard won the contest out of all the Pokemon? I think its a pretty big deal.--[[User:Baroque|Baroque]] 12:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Cilan (anime)

2011-03-12T15:40:11Z

Baroque:

==Dent?????==

I thought his name was Dento????[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 21:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:The revelation of Pod and Corn confirmed that their names are based on a type of corn called ''Dent Corn'', so the article was moved accordingly. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:04, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh really I guess I didn't see that revelation but dent? that sounds weird Dento was better.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 22:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
::take this to the forums....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
What I just made a comment it's not like I'm starting a discussion or anything but fine whatever, my question was answered.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok just curious but in the anime preview the man called him Dento, doesn't that mean that his name is Dento??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Dento is how it is pronounced in Japanese. Dent is the closest thing we have so far to an official romanisation, <s>many</s> most of which don't match up exactly to the Japanese pronounciation. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

==Included in the "characters who are twins" catergory?==

Should Dent, along with Pod and Corn be included in this catergory? They aren't really twins so much as triplets... or even identical... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 04:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Dent's English name ==
http://i.cartoonnetwork.com/v5cache/CARTOON/site/Images/i16/pok_cilan_card_490x260.jpg --[[User:Bye|Bye]] 23:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:Just to be safe, why don't we just move this article to Cilan (anime) and move the game one later? [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 12:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
That sounds good. It's from Cartoon Network and they're reliable, but it's better safe than sorry --[[User:Chiramii|Chiramii]] 15:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Why have we treated Iris' name confirmation as fully confirmed but not this? We need to be consistent. Either change this to Cilan or remove all reference to Iris being her English name. --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 09:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Because ''[[BW002|Enter Iris and Axew!]]'' officially announced Iris's English name, that's why. I will not repeat myself again. He stays "Dent" until his "Cilan" is '''officially''' announced. Do not post anymore about this subject. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== ''[[League Unleashed!]]'' in Cilan's Trivia ==

* Basically, I noticed in Cilan's trivia that it said DP183. I changed it to the Dub Title, someone changed it to DP183, I changed it to the Dub Title and someone changed it AGAIN. We have known about the dub title for months so I don't know why someone keeps on changing it. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 15:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Cilan's silhouette was seen only in the '''Japanese''' version, that's why we use [[epicode]] instead of '''dub''' title.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. Didn't know that. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 16:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==Catchphrase==
Should we change it to reflect the English version "its time to serve this battle"? Or am I completely wrong on this? Sidenote: Lol at the fact y'all hinted at his "fabulousness" in the trivia.

Talk:Servine (Pokémon)

2011-02-26T14:04:12Z

Baroque:

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

==Name==
its Janobii, not Janoby.[[User:Makupe|Makupe]] 16:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same thing [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==
I wrot a descrption for the physiolegy. I figured I'de get permission befor posting it.

Similar to its pre-evolution Tsutarja, Janoby is primarily green with a cream-colored underside. It has a yellow caller-like structure that starts at the chest and proceeds behind the shoulders giving it the appearance of wings. Three palmate leaves grow along its back and tail. Janoby has four short limbs and a small crest protruding from the back of its head. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 18:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin? Name Origin. ==

I presume that Janoby's name comes from the word 蛇 ja ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake snake]) and the english word [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28biology%29 Canopy]

Just speculation though... [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 01:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

So? thats what all name origins are [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:Added. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I was just thinking that th "noby" part of it's name may be a corruption of the word nobility. It makes a connection with the general theme of royalty in this family of Pokémon. At the very least it makes as much sense as the canopy theory above. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 21:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

Shouldn't it be noted that Janoby's anime beta art was shaded as if it had dark colors, but it has light colors? Opposite happened with Futachimaru. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Use of DW Art for Profile ==

Are we just holding out for a better-quality version of Sugimori's art for this guy (and some others as well)? I ask because there is a version of the official art uploaded here, albeit with a few cutout issues. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 19:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, that's pretty much it I suppose. Better to have a full artwork WITHOUT words on it, don'tcha agree? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::Even low quality Sugimori trumps Dream World. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pokébeach List ==

Am I to assume that we're waiting on a different source to confirm the list of English Pokémon names on Pokébeach? [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 23:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:Other fansites are never a good source of information. Most are unreliable and, not to trash Pokebeach, but that site is definitly one of the unreliable ones. Atleast in my experience it is.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::How about now that more names from the list have been officially confirmed?[[User:Ronin256|Ronin256]] 04:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::No. We wait for official sources such as the BW website and official screenshots. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Just wait, they will likely be officialy revealed in a few weeks. {{tt|Also, some of us live in hope|Rogenrolla, ugh}}. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 04:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Not to mention, {{tt|some of the names just don't sound official.|Eelektrik and Beartic are the two big ones.}}--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 02:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Servine has been confirmed by the Pokemon Anime.

Aaron's Beautifly

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'''Aaron's Beautifly''' (Japanese: '''リョウのアゲハント''' ''Ryou's Agehunt'') was the first [[Pokémon]] obtained by {{EF|Aaron}} when he was a child.

==In the anime==
[[File:Aaron Wurmple.png|As a Wurmple, with Aaron as a child|thumb|left]]

{{p|Beautifly}} first appeared in a picture as a {{p|Wurmple}} in ''[[DP099|A Trainer and Child Reunion!]]''. Aaron explains that when he was younger, he loved going in the forest. One day he climbed up the tallest tree in the forest, but then, it was too tall to climb down. A wild Wurmple helped him climb down the tree and they then became best friends since then. However, Aaron lost his temper at it when they lost a battle, claiming that Wurmple was too weak, and he left Wurmple at the park. Aaron began to regret doing this and then went back to the park at night to see if Wurmple was still there, but it wasn't. Aaron regrets doing this.

In the same episode, when Aaron and the others' Pokémon were stolen by Team Rocket near the tree where they met, it came to their rescue in its fully evolved form by using SolarBeam. They were unsure where the attack came from until Beautifly appeared. After looking at it, Aaron realized that it was his Wurmple. It just wanted to be more powerful for Aaron, so Wurmple evolved into Silcoon, then Beautifly. It then remained with Aaron and the rest of his Pokémon.

In ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy!]]'', Beautifly, along with Aaron and his {{p|Drapion}}, were seen again on the television at a Pokémon Center, battling [[Cynthia]]'s {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} and {{p|Gastrodon}}. It was defeated by Gastrodon's {{m|Stone Edge}}.

===Moves used===
{{anmov/h|bug|flying|Beautifly Whirlwind.png|Using Whirlwind}}
{{anmov|grass|SolarBeam|DP099|A Trainer and Child Reunion!|rec=yes}}
{{anmov|normal|Whirlwind|DP099|A Trainer and Child Reunion!}}
{{anmov/f|flying}}

==In the games==
Beautifly is one of Aaron's Pokémon in the games. It has only appeared in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.

==={{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}===

{{Pokémon|gen=4|ndex=267|pokemon=Beautifly
|ability=Swarm|level=53|gender=♂|spritegender=♂|type1=Bug|type2=Flying
|move1=Bug Buzz|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Special
|move2=Psychic|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Energy Ball|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}

== Trivia ==
* Aaron does not possess a Beautifly in {{game|Platinum}}, but this episode first aired after Platinum's Japanese release. This is similar to the case of {{DL|Cynthia|In the anime|Cynthia's Gastrodon}}, which also premiered after the release of Platinum despite being replaced with {{p|Togekiss}}.
* Oddly, Beautifly's wings in the anime suggest that it is a female, however, in the games, it is a male.

==Related articles==
{{Animespeciesevo2|Wurmple|Silcoon|Beautifly}}

[[Category:Elite Four Members' Pokémon]]

[[pl:Beautifly Aarona]]

[[ja:リョウのアゲハント]]

Rival

2010-12-05T12:07:54Z

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:''For the [[Elite Four]] {{pkmn|Champion}} in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, see [[Blue (game)]]''.
:''For the Japanese opening theme, see [[The Rivals]].''
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[[File:Rival artwork.png|thumb|right|{{ga|Red}}'s first battle against his rival {{ga|Blue}}]]
A '''rival''' (Japanese: '''ライバル''' ''rival'') is one of the main characters in the Pokémon [[games]] that is well known to the [[protagonist]] and has similar skills, goals and achievements. Rival characters appear frequently during the hero's quest, having a role in several of the games' events, and often challenges him or her in [[Pokémon battle|battles]]. Defeating a rival may be a primary or necessary goal of said character.

==In the games==
In the [[Version|main series]], a rival is a recurring opponent to the {{player}} throughout the game. This class of characters has appeared beginning in [[Generation I]], and in every main series game since. Typically, rivals will be met by the player early in the game, usually around the time the player receives their [[starter Pokémon]]. In most games, the rival will also obtain a starter Pokémon, and will usually participate in the player's first [[Pokémon battle]] against a Trainer. From then on, rivals will appear frequently throughout the player's journey, always being one step ahead of the player as the player moves through the region, meeting and battling the player at various points in the game with a progressively stronger and diversified [[party]]. Usually they must be defeated in order to continue the game; the most important of these battles happening either right before or during the player's challenge to the [[Elite Four]]. After the defeat of the [[Elite Four]] and the [[Pokémon Champion]], the rival can usually be battled at the player's leisure, but only at certain times with increasingly powerful Pokémon. More often than not, they will have the starter Pokémon of their home region that weakens the one the player chose at the beginning of the game, though [[Wally]], [[Bel]], and {{ga|Blue}} in [[Pokémon Yellow]] are exceptions.

The following are the characters considered to be rivals in the games. It should be noted, though, that only {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Silver}} have ever received the ''Rival'' [[trainer class]]; all others have been referred to as ''[[Pokémon Trainer]]s''.

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|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Ash and Paul.png|thumb|250px|Ash and his rival Paul]]
Various rivals for the {{Ashfr|main characters}} have also appeared in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
*{{Ash}} has had [[Gary Oak]], [[Paul]], {{an|Barry}}, and [[Shooti]] as his major rivals. Minor rivals include [[Nando]] and [[Conway]], who, while they battled Ash more than once across an entire saga, have a smaller role than the other three. Many other characters also collect badges and may be counted as rivals in the future.
*{{an|May}} has had both [[Drew]] and [[Harley]].
*{{an|Dawn}} has [[Zoey]], {{si|Kenny}}, [[Ursula]], and [[Jessie|Jessilina]].
*[[Johanna]] had a childhood rivalry with [[Lila]].
*{{an|Brock}} had a friendly (and short-lived) rivalry with [[Suzy]].
*[[Jessie]] and [[James]] have a rivalry with [[Cassidy]] and [[Butch]], respectively.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
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In [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Red}}'s first rivalry blossomed when, just as their game counterparts did, he and {{adv|Blue}} were each given the first two [[Pokédex]], as well as starter Pokémon to compliment their already growing parties (somewhat unlike in the games). Red received [[Saur|Bulbasaur]], while Blue acquired the starter that weakens his, and both times his [[Blue's Charizard|Charmander]] evolved before Red's. As would become a tradition in the manga, {{adv|Green}}, hearing of these two fellow [[Pallet Town]] Trainers' big send offs on journeys, stole a [[Blasty|Squirtle]] (weakened by Red's) and proved to be a somewhat irritating obstacle for Red at times, stealing two of his badges and shrewdly taking his [[Moon Stone]] for later use before using the boy as a pawn to gather the seven known badges at the time to create [[Zapmolcuno]] (not knowing at the time that it would create a three-headed bird monster, a kind which she fears above all else). She also competed in the [[Pokémon League]] after Red's excursions in the [[Viridian Gym]] against [[Giovanni]], as well as his capture of {{adv|Mewtwo}}. She finally faced the then-disguised [[Professor Oak|Professor]] in the semi-finals, but after her phobia of bird Pokémon was exploited, she lost, and after Oak's forfeit, Red defeated his rival in the final match.

{{adv|Yellow}}, who took over as the protagonist two years later, had no real rival, but as both she and [[Lance]] of the [[Elite Four]] had the psychic healing powers of [[Viridian Forest]], he would most closely match this description.

One year later, the tradition of the rival character acquiring a starter that weakens the protagonist's would again be revisited when {{adv|Silver}} steals his [[Silver's Feraligatr|Totodile]] while {{adv|Gold}} took a [[Exbo|Cyndaquil]]. Once again, the rival would evolve his starter before the boy when his Totodile became a {{p|Croconaw}} before Gold's evolved to {{p|Quilava}}, but after they were horribly defeated and narrowly saved by {{p|Entei}}, they would fall into a coma lasting for several weeks, during which a third protagonist, {{adv|Crystal}}, is given a {{p|Chikorita}}, the last remaining starter (along with the final Pokédex), and it too evolved to a {{p|Bayleef}}. The three then were reunited in the [[Whirl Islands]], and evolved to the final stages simultaneously.

Years after the [[Masked Man]]'s defeat, {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} would be given opposite starters, but unlike before (possibly attributed to the fact that Sapphire is female), Ruby would now acquire a [[Zuzu|Mudkip]] and Sapphire would be given the disadvantaged [[Toro|Torchic]]. Both evolved to their final stage similarly, though again the rival of the main playable character, Ruby, would evolve hers first both times.

Ironically, {{p|Treecko|the Grass-type starter}} would again meet the fate of being partnered after its chums when it at last becomes {{p|Grovyle}} with [[Wally]], and is revealed to have been smuggled into the [[Battle Frontier (Generation III)#Battle Factory|Battle Factory]] after evolving to its [[Emerald's Sceptile|final stage]] in the wild. As originally intended, it ended up with {{adv|Emerald}}.

The protagonists for the {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} received the same type starters as the RGB seniors years before, when {{adv|Diamond}} (based on {{ga|Lucas}}) ended up with a [[Wig|Turtwig]], {{adv|Pearl}} (based on the rival character) with a [[Chimhiko|Chimchar]], and {{adv|Platinum}} (based on {{ga|Dawn}}) was given a [[Platinum's Empoleon|Piplup]]. However, unlike the first protagonists, their starters evolved almost exactly at the same time, with Diamond and Pearl's starters evolving simultaneously both times.

==Trivia==
* Ash has at least one species of Pokémon each of his major rivals own. Gary captured a {{p|Krabby}}, Paul uses a {{p|Torterra}} and {{p|Gliscor}}, Barry uses a {{p|Staraptor}} and {{p|Heracross}}, and [[Shooti]] uses a {{p|Snivy}}.
* Almost all of the rivals in the games are from the protagonist's hometown. Only Silver and Wally come from other places, with Silver's hometown being unknown and Wally hailing from Petalburg City.

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