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Talk:Team Aqua

2012-05-11T02:42:08Z

Ash0011: Created page with "sorry I added some trivia, but can't figure out how to put it in the proper area--~~~~"

sorry I added some trivia, but can't figure out how to put it in the proper area--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 02:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Team Aqua

2012-05-11T02:40:47Z

Ash0011: /* Trivia */ new section

:''If you're looking for the theme deck from {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}, see [[Team Aqua (TCG)]].''
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{{Team Infobox
|teamname=Team Aqua
|jpteamname=アクア団
|tmteamname=Aqua-dan
|logo=Aqua-logo.png
|image=Team Aqua Grunts.png
|caption=Artwork of Aqua Grunts from R/S
|size=200px
|leader=[[Archie]]
|region=[[Hoenn]]
|admins=[[Aqua Admin Matt|Matt]], [[Shelly]], [[Aqua Admin Amber|Amber]] ({{pkmn|Adventures}} only)
|targets=[[Mt. Chimney]], [[Oceanic Museum]], [[Seafloor Cavern]]
|hideout=[[Lilycove City]]
|epnum=AG017
|epname=Stairway to Devon
|psnum=PS188
|psname=VS. Lombre
|tcg=Team Aqua
|border color={{sapphire color}}
|background color={{sapphire color light}}
|lightened color={{water color}}
}}

'''Team Aqua''' (Japanese: '''アクア{{tt|団|だん}}''' ''Aqua-dan'', literally ''Aqua Gang'') is one of two [[villainous teams]] found in the [[Hoenn]] region, alongside their rivals, [[Team Magma]]. Team Aqua's ultimate goal is to expand the amount of water in the world by awakening {{p|Kyogre}}.

==In the games==
Team Aqua appears only in the Hoenn-based games {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}, where they scheme to bring Kyogre out of its slumber.

Generally, {{tc|Team Aqua Grunt}}s have weaker Pokémon, with {{p|Zubat}} and {{p|Poochyena}} plentiful among them, however, they also use Pokémon of other types; typically they are {{type2|Water}}s such as {{p|Carvanha}} (and {{p|Wailmer}} in Emerald). The team is headed by [[Archie]] and his two immediate subordinates [[Aqua Admin Matt|Matt]] and [[Shelly]].

===In Sapphire===
Though they are first encountered early in the game, their first major plot is to use the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Meteorite}} to cease the eruption of [[Mt. Chimney]], which would cause rainwater to fill the cooled-down crater. When this is thwarted by the {{player}}, they set themselves up in [[Lilycove City]]'s cove, planning their next moves. Their final action in the storyline is to steal a submarine from {{ci|Slateport}} harbor, which they use to travel to the [[Seafloor Cavern]] with the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Red Orb}}, where Kyogre awaits. Kyogre, however, is not able to be controlled, and leaves for the [[Cave of Origin]] in [[Sootopolis City]] where it must be captured by the player or defeated.

===In Ruby===
Team Aqua is relegated to a supporting role in Ruby, with [[Team Magma]] instead performing the same actions (with different reasoning) and awakening {{p|Groudon}} instead.

===In Emerald===
Team Aqua's deeds are partly the same in {{game|Emerald}} as they are in Ruby and Sapphire, with them stealing the sub to obtain Kyogre. After awakening Kyogre and seeing Kyogre and Groudon clash together, both Team Magma's Maxie and Team Aqua's Archie realize what they've done has caused a terrible disaster, and make peace with one another after Groudon and Kyogre have been taken care of by Rayquaza.

==In the anime==
Team Aqua is introduced in ''[[AG017|Stairway to Devon]]'' where a member of the team infiltrated the [[Devon Corporation]] and stole two capsules of "Creation Fluid". His plans were stopped by Team Rocket's Jessie and James, who intended to steal the same thing, all parties involved not realizing that "Creation Fluid" was nothing more than water. In ''[[AG018|On a Wingull and a Prayer!]]'', this same member takes a boat of [[Mr. Briney]]'s to escape from the police and heads for open ocean, where a Team Aqua submarine rescues him. This particular grunt is voiced by [[Darren Dunstan]] in English.

Team Aqua later appears in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme]]'' and ''[[AG083|Unfair Weather Friends]]''. Their final, and most prominent appearance is in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]'', when they and Team Magma begin the battle between {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}}.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Team Aqua's goal was to create more sea in the Hoenn region, making them bitter enemies of Team Magma, whose goal it was to expand the amount of land in Hoenn. In order to accomplish their goal, the decided to capture Kyogre, a legendary water Pokémon that had been sleeping in the Cave of Origin for centuries after a massive collision with the legendary {{p|Groudon}}. After Team Aqua's plans were thwarted by {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}}, Archie went insane because he had bonded with the orbs, trying to destroy everything in his way.
Team Aqua also had an influence on the media, as Archie was the director of Hoenn TV. This way, they could cover up their own schemes while airing anti-Team Magma propaganda.

==In the TCG==
Much like Team Rocket, Team Aqua appears in the TCG in a (partly) self-named set, {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}. Their ambitions and specialties here reflect the other media they appear in, and as well, their status as an evil force is recognized, not with {{TCG|Dark Pokémon}}, but with dual-typed Pokémon.

The following TCG cards have some connection to Team Aqua:
{| align="left" style="-moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{sapphire color}}; background: #{{sapphire color light}}; margin-right: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px;"
! Card !! Type !! Rarity !! Expansion !! Set No.
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Cacturne|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|1|95|Grass|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Crawdaunt|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|2|95|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Kyogre|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|3|95|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Manectric|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|4|95|Lightning|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Sharpedo|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|5|95|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Walrein|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|6|95|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Crawdaunt|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|14|95|Water||Rare}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Mightyena|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|15|95|Darkness||Rare}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Sealeo|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|16|95|Water||Rare}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Seviper|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|17|95|Grass||Rare}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Sharpedo|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|18|95|Water||Rare}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Cacnea|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|24|95|Grass|Darkness|Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Carvanha|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|25|95|Water||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Corphish|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|26|95|Water||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Electrike|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|27|95|Lightning||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Lanturn|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|28|95|Lightning||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Manectric|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|29|95|Lightning||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Mightyena|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|30|95|Darkness||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Sealeo|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|31|95|Water||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Carvanha|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|47|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Carvanha|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|48|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Chinchou|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|49|95|Lightning||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Corphish|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|50|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Corphish|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|51|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Electrike|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|52|95|Lightning||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Electrike|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|53|95|Lightning||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Poochyena|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|54|95|Darkness||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Poochyena|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|55|95|Darkness||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Spheal|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|56|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua's Spheal|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|57|95|Water||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Schemer|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|69|95|Trainer||Common}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Archie|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|71|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Ball|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|75|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Belt|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|76|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Conspirator|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|77|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Hideout|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|78|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Team Aqua Technical Machine 01|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|79|95|Trainer||Uncommon}}
{{Trainerlistentry|Aqua Energy|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua|86|95|Energy||Uncommon}}
|} 

==In other languages==
{| align="left" style="background: #{{water color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 3px solid #{{sapphire color}}"
|- align=center
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Language
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Name
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| アクア団 ''Aqua-dan''
| From the word "aqua".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Team Aqua
| From the Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Finnish
| Aquaryhmä
| Means "Aqua Group".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish (Latin America)
| Equipo Aqua
| From the English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Team Idro
| From ''idro'', hydro.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 水艦隊／水舰队 ''Shuǐjiàn Duì''
| Means "Water fleet". Also, 艦 means "warship" or "naval vessel".
|}
{{-}}

== See also ==
*[[Team Magma]]

 
{{Team Aqua}} 
{{Villainous teams}}
[[Category:Team Aqua|*]]
[[Category:Villain groups|Aqua]]

[[de:Team Aqua]]
[[es:Equipo Aqua]]
[[fr:Team Aqua]]
[[it:Team Idro]]
[[ja:アクアだん]]
[[pl:Zespół Aqua]]

== Trivia ==

There is a large lake in Quebec that looks almost exactly like the team Aqua symbol

Ice Burn (move)

2012-05-06T02:33:00Z

Ash0011: /* Trivia */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=554 |
name=Ice Burn |
jname=コールドフレア |
jtrans=Cold Flare |
jtranslit=Kōrudo Furea|
gameimage=Ice Burn B2W2.png |
type=Ice |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=140 |
accuracy=90 |
gen=V |
pokefordex=Ice%20Burn|
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=anyadjacent |
footnotes= }}
'''Ice Burn''' (Japanese: '''コールドフレア''' ''Cold Flare'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Ice}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation V]]. It is White {{p|Kyurem}}'s signature move.

==Effect==
Ice Burn deals damage, has a 30% chance of {{status|Burn|burning}} the target.

Ice Burn does nothing on the turn it is selected, other than state that the user is charging. This charge turn can be skipped using a [[Power Herb]]. On the following turn, Ice Burn will deal damage, PP will be deducted from it, and it will count as the last move used. Once Ice Burn is selected, the user won't be able to switch out until it is disrupted or fully executed.

If Ice Burn is not fully executed, PP will not be deducted from it, and it will not count as the last move used. If the target uses {{m|Mirror Move}} during the turn that the user is charging, Mirror Move will copy the move that the user executed immediately before using Ice Burn (or fail if it can't).

{{status|Sleep}}, {{status|freeze}}, partial trapping, and flinching will pause but not disrupt the duration of Ice Burn.

==Description==
{{movedesc|ice}}
{{movedescentry|BW|On the second turn, an ultracold, freezing wind surrounds the target. This may leave the target with a burn.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===[[Generation V]]===
Currently, no Pokémon is known to learn Ice Burn by TM, Move tutor or Level up. It has been revealed to be White Kyurem's signature move, but the method by which this move is learned is unknown.

==Trivia==
* This move seems to draw reference to both {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Kyurem}}, as it is an Ice-type move and its side-effect are related to the {{t|Fire}} type. Furthermore, the animation for the actual attacking part is resembles that of {{m|Blue Flare}}, one of Reshiram's [[signature move]]s.
** Also, a move that is believed to be its polar opposite, {{m|Freeze Shock}}, seems to also draw reference to Kyurem's typing and Reshiram's polar opposite, {{p|Zekrom}}.
*** This makes reference to White Kyurem and Black Kyurem as well.
* Along with {{m|Freeze Shock}}, Ice Burn has the highest base power of all Ice-type moves.
* Ice Burn is the only Ice-type move that is able to cause {{status|burn}}.
** The burn side-effect may be a reference to {{wp|frostbite}}, which is similar to a burn.
* Ice Burn is also one of three moves able to cause a burn that is neither Fire-type nor Normal-type. The others are {{m|Scald}} and {{m|fling}} (while holding a {{m|flame orb}}).

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{ice color}}|bordercolor={{ice color light}}
|fr=Feu Glacé
|de=Frosthauch
|it=Vampagelida
|es=Llama Gélida
|ko=
}}
{{-}}
{{Sky Attack|Ice}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[de:Frosthauch]]
[[fr:Feu Glacé]]
[[it:Vampagelida (mossa)]]
[[ja:コールドフレア]]
[[pl:Ice Burn]]

Ice Burn (move)

2012-05-06T00:28:34Z

Ash0011: /* Trivia */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=554 |
name=Ice Burn |
jname=コールドフレア |
jtrans=Cold Flare |
jtranslit=Kōrudo Furea|
gameimage=Ice Burn B2W2.png |
type=Ice |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=140 |
accuracy=90 |
gen=V |
pokefordex=Ice%20Burn|
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=anyadjacent |
footnotes= }}
'''Ice Burn''' (Japanese: '''コールドフレア''' ''Cold Flare'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Ice}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation V]]. It is White {{p|Kyurem}}'s signature move.

==Effect==
Ice Burn deals damage, has a 30% chance of {{status|Burn|burning}} the target.

Ice Burn does nothing on the turn it is selected, other than state that the user is charging. This charge turn can be skipped using a [[Power Herb]]. On the following turn, Ice Burn will deal damage, PP will be deducted from it, and it will count as the last move used. Once Ice Burn is selected, the user won't be able to switch out until it is disrupted or fully executed.

If Ice Burn is not fully executed, PP will not be deducted from it, and it will not count as the last move used. If the target uses {{m|Mirror Move}} during the turn that the user is charging, Mirror Move will copy the move that the user executed immediately before using Ice Burn (or fail if it can't).

{{status|Sleep}}, {{status|freeze}}, partial trapping, and flinching will pause but not disrupt the duration of Ice Burn.

==Description==
{{movedesc|ice}}
{{movedescentry|BW|On the second turn, an ultracold, freezing wind surrounds the target. This may leave the target with a burn.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===[[Generation V]]===
Currently, no Pokémon is known to learn Ice Burn by TM, Move tutor or Level up. It has been revealed to be White Kyurem's signature move, but the method by which this move is learned is unknown.

==Trivia==
* This move seems to draw reference to both {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Kyurem}}, as it is an Ice-type move and its side-effect are related to the {{t|Fire}} type. Furthermore, the animation for the actual attacking part is resembles that of {{m|Blue Flare}}, one of Reshiram's [[signature move]]s.
** Also, a move that is believed to be its polar opposite, {{m|Freeze Shock}}, seems to also draw reference to Kyurem's typing and Reshiram's polar opposite, {{p|Zekrom}}.
*** This makes reference to White Kyurem and Black Kyurem as well.
* Along with {{m|Freeze Shock}}, Ice Burn has the highest base power of all Ice-type moves.
* Ice Burn is the only Ice-type move that is able to cause {{status|burn}}.
** The burn side-effect may be a reference to {{wp|frostbite}}, which is similar to a burn.
* Ice Burn is also one of two damaging moves able to cause a burn that is neither Fire-type nor Normal-type. The other is {{m|Scald}}.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{ice color}}|bordercolor={{ice color light}}
|fr=Feu Glacé
|de=Frosthauch
|it=Vampagelida
|es=Llama Gélida
|ko=
}}
{{-}}
{{Sky Attack|Ice}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[de:Frosthauch]]
[[fr:Feu Glacé]]
[[it:Vampagelida (mossa)]]
[[ja:コールドフレア]]
[[pl:Ice Burn]]

Talk:Deino (Pokémon)

2012-04-16T02:53:11Z

Ash0011: /* the beatles */

"Mono" is derived from one, the amount of heads the Pokémon currently has.

Monozu and its evolutionary line may be based upon the [[wp:Lernaean Hydra|Lernaean Hydra]] of Greek Mythology, a beast that grew two more heads in its place if one was severed.

[[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 00:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:you can add it to the article itself you know...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Egg Cycles==
It seems that Deino eggs require 41 cycles to hatch, form my own ingmae experience and other websites (Psypoke, Serebii and others). I'd rather not mess up the page with my non-existent experience at editing, so if someone wants to change that...
You should also delete the trivia part about it "Deino is the only pseudo-legendary that requires 21 cycles to hatch", or whatever. [[User:Xel|Xel]] 07:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

In future, add your info at the bottom of the page in a new section, unless it is related to other info. Use the + button next to edit to do this. Edited.[[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 10:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that next time =) [[User:Xel|Xel]] 17:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

==Unusual Ability...==
Recently, I received in a trade a Shiny Deino...with the ability Truant. However, everywhere I've looked, it has clearly stated YOU CANNOT GET A DEINO WITH TRUANT. His game was not hacked, although he had a handful of Meloetta from a friend's R4, as he proved to me due to the Meloetta all being traded onto his game. He bred and hatched the Deino himself. So, is this information this site is lacking, or is his game hacked? If it CAN legally possess Truant, that may lead to multiple edits. And yes, I can probably provide proof, should I get access to a digital camera without my parents knowing I own Pokemon White, considering both are heavily anti-Pokemon. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 12:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, not legal. Since your friend had been trading hacked Melloetta onto his game, they likely came from the same place. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
::I must admit, when he showed me the Shiny Victini with catch record, I was sceptical. Now a Shiny Deino with Truant with a full breed record (although I admit I didn't know about the strange ability until yesterday). He seems to be able to get a shiny of everything through breeding, and trades them for TCG cards. Thanks for the explanation, Snorlax. [[User:StreetFlare|StreetFlare]] 06:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== the beatles ==

its hairdo looks like theirs and it can learn hyper voice, should this go in origin or trivia? {{unsigned|Ash0011}}
: Speculation, not notable. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 19:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
first Lugia now Deino WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING OBVIOUS REFERENCES!?!?!?!?! the hair looks almost exactly the same and theres pretty much no other explanation for a sound based move!!! sorry for the rant but c'mon

Talk:Deino (Pokémon)

2012-02-25T19:02:31Z

Ash0011: /* the beatles */ new section

Talk:Ho-Oh (Pokémon)

2012-01-31T14:49:38Z

Ash0011: /* Ho-oh represents the sun */

So the name IS Ho-oh?

Anybody got a screenshot to lay it down one way or another? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 19:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Evkl, the name is Ho-Oh. Check it out here:

http://www.pokemon.com

It also says that name in the Nintendo Power Pokémon Colosseum strategy guide, the Pokémon Official Pokédex book, Prima's strategy guide, Nintendo.com... The name *IS* Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

All online refrences I've seen put a lowercase O. The games are utterly inconclusive, being in all caps... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto to that. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]]

Don't forget the NP FireRed/LeafGreen guide and a poster from a fairly recent issue of Nintendo Power, which both use an uppercase "O". However, older official material, such as the NP Pokémon Crystal guide, say "Ho-oh", so I guess NOA changed its mind as some point. Right now I'm *considering* moving the article and updating all related pages to reflect this.
[[User:Woopert|Woopert]] 20:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
------------------------------------------------------------

Uhh run that past Evkl first. I also got a screenshot confirmation that it is Ho-Oh. It was from the anime. The episode title screen and it says "For Ho-Oh, the Bell Tolls". It's also Ho-Oh in the Prima guide with the (TM) at the top. IIt's officially confirmed as Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

Chris has shown me a screencap which includes a capital O, which is the closest to a canon source I've been able to find up until now. So I'm leaning towards Ho-Oh. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'''Note by evkl: The Prima guide is NOT Canon.'''

Despite what I've said on AIM about its spelling, Pokemon.com [[http://www.pokemon.com/media/television/index.asp?ep=298 shows it as "Ho-oh"]] whereas I thought it listed otherwise. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 00:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And to add the anime episode title, there's the GBA Video's page for [[https://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=2da810b1-52cf-48e7-bc01-a3f5ba83f95e the episode]] which uses "Ho-Oh" as said above. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 04:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:What about in the cards? As in TCG? It says "Ho-oh"... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::They switched it to the Ho-Oh capitalization in {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} and never went back. Some people assumed this capitalization to be a mistake at first, but Mystery Dungeon 1 proved that "Ho-Oh" was now indeed the correct capitalization for the Pokémon's name. Just for the record: "Ho-oh" and "Ho-Oh" are considered the same name in the TCG for numbering purposes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

==Ho-Oh in the anime==

We know that Ho-Oh was the first Pokémon seen in the animé, in the first episode. This always led me to believe that Ho-Oh was infact invented by the animé creators, when making the sequals, they attempted to cash in on it by making it a proper Pokémon. (Highly similar to the release of Yellow infact) I also always thought that Marill was also created the same way, by the animé guys and then used in the games. (Although the showing of Marill and release of G/S are not half as far apart as the Ho-Oh appearance.) Anyway, I was wondering if there is any evidence at all to suggest Ho-Oh was made by the animé guys? And if maybe this is worth mentioning in the article, I always thought it was fishy at least. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The stylistic similarities between the RBY generation of Pokemon and the GSC are high and so its likely that the first 251 pokemon were conceived at the same time hence why Ho-oh appears in the first episode. Afterall, there is apparently about 1000 original concept drawings by the original creator of pokemon so that suggests that a lot about the pokemon world was already finalised before the anime was in production.
--[[User:Ainohuyuah|Ainohuyuah]] 12:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt this actually in the infomation? That it is the "Unknown Pokemon" from episodes 1-2 Indego League, I think it should be included --[[User:Denty|Denty]] 19:06 11 Mar 2010

==Pronounciation==
How is Ho-Oh pronounced? I think it's ''hutt-o'' or ''Ho-ho'' Well? [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:I say 'Ho' and then 'Oh' as in 'Oh no'. But thats just me [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

::That's pretty much it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move Tutor in Crystal Version==

I looked up Ho-oh in the Library at Earl's Pokémon Academy on Pokémon Stadium 2, and it says that Ho-oh can learn Flamethrower and Thunderbolt from the Move Tutor in Crystal. Is there any way of putting this in the article? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:That is already on Ho-Oh's Gen II learnset. That learnset can be found [[Ho-Oh_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset#By_tutoring|here]].- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 21:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, at least it's somewhere on BP. But why are'nt the Generation II moves that Pokémon used to learn but don't anymore (i.e. Hoppip had Pay Day on its Breeding Moveset in Generation II, but it doesn't anymore.) get included in the articles? If they were, it could be noted elsewhere. [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum Sprite==
There appears to be a Platinum Sprite on the page, practicly the same as the D/P sprite, should it be removed, or is there a difference? [[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:It is the exact same sprite. The Platinum sprite is a redirect to the Diamond & Pearl sprite. It shouldn't be removed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ranger? ==

This is generally irrelevant, but how does it have Ranger artwork? It doesn't appear in Ranger!--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 22:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe they meant to put it in, but took it out? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 22:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Ranger artworks.jpg|right|thumb|]]
::Most of the legendary Pokémon from Gens 1 to 3 have official artwork from Ranger for some reason. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, these images are in my Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue stratagy guide. I don't know why everyone thinks it's from Ranger. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Edit War. ==

People, could you ''please'' stop changing the trivia '''over and over''' again? You're making us decent Bulbapedians look bad. Thank you.
:Love, [[User:ShinjiLover|ShinjiLover]], who is still trying to think of a better siggy.

But it isn't good trivia. It's not unique, it isn't notable (IMO), and what about Spritomb? Why isn't it listed too? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:Trivia is considered to be something that is interesting or something you might not have know/might not have thought about before. I asked TTEChidna what he thought and he said it was kind of interesting. The trivia is unique in that only the 2nd Generation of non-trio ūbers have this common and not with any other Pokémon. I don't really see why it's such a problem.
:And Spiritomb only has 1 other Pokémon before it to have the same type as it. What makes Lugia's, Ho-Oh's, and Celebi's trivia interesting is that they all 3 are from generation 2, and that the 2 Pokémon with the same type combos come before them. Plus, Spiritomb does not have another Pokémon simliar to it (like Lugia and Ho-Oh are), and Sableye is Dark/Ghost while Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark. The types are not reversed for Charizard/Moltres/Ho-Oh, Natu/Xatu/Lugia, and Exeggcute/Exeggutor/Celebi. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, I don't find it interesting, but, w/e, I guess. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, if i remember correctly, exeggcute/exeggcutor are Grass/Psy, while Celebi is Psy/Grass. But i may be wrong about exeggcute's type order. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 20:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Now that you mention it...you're right. But Spiritomb was just released with the current generation while Ho-Oh's, Lugia's, and Celebi's type-combinations haven't been released with a Pokemon since generation 2. If in the next generation there are no ghost/dark (or vice versa), then we can mention this same kind of thing in Sableye's and Spiritomb's trivia section I guess. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Species?==

I'm wondering if Ho-Oh is a species of Pokémon(The Anime proves there are multiple {{p|Lugia}}) or if there is only one of them? Does anyone have a canon source to verify this? [[User:Auxia|'''AUXIA''']] ([[User talk:Auxia|''talk'']]) 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
: Well, there is usually only one in each game, but I doubt the one that lives in Orre is the same one that is found in Johto. And then there's another one in the Sevii island too! Add to that the one in the anime and I'd say there's at least four of them. Just my oppinion. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: I've always gone under the impression that there are more than one of any Legendary Pokémon and you could just only ever meet one in the games. I mean, practically, no species can really exist indefinitely with only one member. Also, and this may be a bit of a stupid way of looking at it - but if they only had one of each species battling two on Wi-Fi would be impossible. So therefore by game canon, there must be more. But that's just what I think. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure about that, I think there are some legendaries which there are only one of, and there can only be one of (such as Arceus, Dialga, Mesprit etc). These Legendaries have to be unique, the storyline says that they have to be. I think that Ho-oh isn't unique though, although there's no way of really telling. It is a flying type, so it could well appear in each of the aforementioned reigons. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== 13th Movie ==

Has anyone paid attention to Bulba News? Ho-Oh and Lugia have both been contirmed to be it the movie via tseaser after the movie. Could someone add info about this and take out the piece of trivia about Ho-Oh being one of two Pokémon not to be in a feature movie? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:Technically, nothing's really confirmed. Early data about [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|movie 11]] suggested {{an|Palkia}} was going to play a major role in it. Jump to the finished product, and Palkia's got nothing but a few minor cameos. In the case of movie 13, we've only got a teaser trailer, one not even released to the public, to work on. My [[$1|2¢]]: It's still way too early to say anything's for certain. For all we know, a [[Generation V]] legendary or legendary wannabe steals the show, even if teaser trailer elements do turn out to be accurate. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the trailer has been released to the public, should we change the info? (It says that Ho-Oh is LIKELY to appear in the movie; the trailer shows it there, doesn't it?)--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Special pic ==

I was attempting to add an scan of Ho-Oh from the Pokémon Special manga, but now I realized that the page is protected, lol. If someone who can edit this page could add it, here it is:
[[Image:Ho-Oh Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px]]
-- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 

== Sprite trivia ==

Remove it. I can't due to the protection. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Tah dah! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Ho-Oh's Moveset changed, that trivia doesn't apply anymore, does it? --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost completely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to make different tables for each? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's not a bad idea, but it'd require a much larger page. Add that to the fact that many have that situation, such as Hippopotas (though minor) and Kyogre (major). My outlook is that there is too much wording, so maybe the debut of the move (if they're the same, leave it alone). So, DP instead of DPPt, and if it debuted in Pt, then Pt, not PTHGSS. Something of that sort... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::We may be changing our moveset thing sometime soon. After the while iPhone thing goes over. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say that Ho-Oh receives STAB from Extrasensory in his learn set? Ho-Oh027 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Simple mistake, might've been from something like someone copypasting from Lugia's table and they forgot to change it. Should be fixed, now. :D ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== cameo in Super Mario Galaxy 2 ==

should it be mentioned that the parrots in SMG2 are modeled after Ho-Oh? Fluzzard, the big one, even has the same color scheme and another one has the colors of a shiny Ho-Oh. --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 22:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I mentioned Fluzzard in the trivia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Error ==

Ho-Oh on this page is using the Generation II Sugimori art, not the HG/SS art it should be using. Who switched it back to the outdated art? Several other Generation II Pokémon pages have similar errors but if this was meant for some kind of anniversary whatever it was is over now so the art should be changed back to the 4th Gen art for them, among the others with this problem include Magcargo as well as Ho-Oh, though Magcargo's art was just fine a while ago... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 18:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not an error. It is set up to display the older art from time to time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset - Weather Ball ==

Ho-Oh learns Weather Ball, which can change type to Fire-Type, allowing Ho-Oh to have STAB from the attack. However, the attack is italicised in the Generation IV learnset list, which is supposed to indicate it gets STAB when it used by an evolution of Ho-Oh, which doesn't exist. I am not sure if the Weather Ball attack ought to be unitalicised or the template should be changed so that the text below the learnset list can be edited to allow for variations in Pokémon learnsets, so it could specify the requirements for Weather Ball to have STAB.
[[User:Zywxn|Zywxn]] 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ho-oh represents the sun ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Longshan_Temple_-_Fenghuang.jpg look farmiliar? this is a phoenix bird of the sun ho-oh represents the sun, and in extent Lugia represents the moon--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 14:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

==Dragon's Den?==

It says in the anime section that a flame of Ho-oh burns in the Dragons den but I'm sure that flame is not from Ho-Oh, however there is one at Mt. Silver correct? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ho-Oh (Pokémon)

2012-01-31T14:48:59Z

Ash0011: /* ..... */

So the name IS Ho-oh?

Anybody got a screenshot to lay it down one way or another? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 19:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Evkl, the name is Ho-Oh. Check it out here:

http://www.pokemon.com

It also says that name in the Nintendo Power Pokémon Colosseum strategy guide, the Pokémon Official Pokédex book, Prima's strategy guide, Nintendo.com... The name *IS* Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

All online refrences I've seen put a lowercase O. The games are utterly inconclusive, being in all caps... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto to that. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]]

Don't forget the NP FireRed/LeafGreen guide and a poster from a fairly recent issue of Nintendo Power, which both use an uppercase "O". However, older official material, such as the NP Pokémon Crystal guide, say "Ho-oh", so I guess NOA changed its mind as some point. Right now I'm *considering* moving the article and updating all related pages to reflect this.
[[User:Woopert|Woopert]] 20:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Uhh run that past Evkl first. I also got a screenshot confirmation that it is Ho-Oh. It was from the anime. The episode title screen and it says "For Ho-Oh, the Bell Tolls". It's also Ho-Oh in the Prima guide with the (TM) at the top. IIt's officially confirmed as Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

Chris has shown me a screencap which includes a capital O, which is the closest to a canon source I've been able to find up until now. So I'm leaning towards Ho-Oh. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'''Note by evkl: The Prima guide is NOT Canon.'''

Despite what I've said on AIM about its spelling, Pokemon.com [[http://www.pokemon.com/media/television/index.asp?ep=298 shows it as "Ho-oh"]] whereas I thought it listed otherwise. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 00:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And to add the anime episode title, there's the GBA Video's page for [[https://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=2da810b1-52cf-48e7-bc01-a3f5ba83f95e the episode]] which uses "Ho-Oh" as said above. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 04:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:What about in the cards? As in TCG? It says "Ho-oh"... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::They switched it to the Ho-Oh capitalization in {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} and never went back. Some people assumed this capitalization to be a mistake at first, but Mystery Dungeon 1 proved that "Ho-Oh" was now indeed the correct capitalization for the Pokémon's name. Just for the record: "Ho-oh" and "Ho-Oh" are considered the same name in the TCG for numbering purposes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

==Ho-Oh in the anime==

We know that Ho-Oh was the first Pokémon seen in the animé, in the first episode. This always led me to believe that Ho-Oh was infact invented by the animé creators, when making the sequals, they attempted to cash in on it by making it a proper Pokémon. (Highly similar to the release of Yellow infact) I also always thought that Marill was also created the same way, by the animé guys and then used in the games. (Although the showing of Marill and release of G/S are not half as far apart as the Ho-Oh appearance.) Anyway, I was wondering if there is any evidence at all to suggest Ho-Oh was made by the animé guys? And if maybe this is worth mentioning in the article, I always thought it was fishy at least. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The stylistic similarities between the RBY generation of Pokemon and the GSC are high and so its likely that the first 251 pokemon were conceived at the same time hence why Ho-oh appears in the first episode. Afterall, there is apparently about 1000 original concept drawings by the original creator of pokemon so that suggests that a lot about the pokemon world was already finalised before the anime was in production.
--[[User:Ainohuyuah|Ainohuyuah]] 12:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt this actually in the infomation? That it is the "Unknown Pokemon" from episodes 1-2 Indego League, I think it should be included --[[User:Denty|Denty]] 19:06 11 Mar 2010

==Pronounciation==
How is Ho-Oh pronounced? I think it's ''hutt-o'' or ''Ho-ho'' Well? [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:I say 'Ho' and then 'Oh' as in 'Oh no'. But thats just me [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

::That's pretty much it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move Tutor in Crystal Version==

I looked up Ho-oh in the Library at Earl's Pokémon Academy on Pokémon Stadium 2, and it says that Ho-oh can learn Flamethrower and Thunderbolt from the Move Tutor in Crystal. Is there any way of putting this in the article? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:That is already on Ho-Oh's Gen II learnset. That learnset can be found [[Ho-Oh_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset#By_tutoring|here]].- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 21:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, at least it's somewhere on BP. But why are'nt the Generation II moves that Pokémon used to learn but don't anymore (i.e. Hoppip had Pay Day on its Breeding Moveset in Generation II, but it doesn't anymore.) get included in the articles? If they were, it could be noted elsewhere. [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum Sprite==
There appears to be a Platinum Sprite on the page, practicly the same as the D/P sprite, should it be removed, or is there a difference? [[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:It is the exact same sprite. The Platinum sprite is a redirect to the Diamond & Pearl sprite. It shouldn't be removed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ranger? ==

This is generally irrelevant, but how does it have Ranger artwork? It doesn't appear in Ranger!--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 22:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe they meant to put it in, but took it out? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 22:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Ranger artworks.jpg|right|thumb|]]
::Most of the legendary Pokémon from Gens 1 to 3 have official artwork from Ranger for some reason. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, these images are in my Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue stratagy guide. I don't know why everyone thinks it's from Ranger. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Edit War. ==

People, could you ''please'' stop changing the trivia '''over and over''' again? You're making us decent Bulbapedians look bad. Thank you.
:Love, [[User:ShinjiLover|ShinjiLover]], who is still trying to think of a better siggy.

But it isn't good trivia. It's not unique, it isn't notable (IMO), and what about Spritomb? Why isn't it listed too? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:Trivia is considered to be something that is interesting or something you might not have know/might not have thought about before. I asked TTEChidna what he thought and he said it was kind of interesting. The trivia is unique in that only the 2nd Generation of non-trio ūbers have this common and not with any other Pokémon. I don't really see why it's such a problem.
:And Spiritomb only has 1 other Pokémon before it to have the same type as it. What makes Lugia's, Ho-Oh's, and Celebi's trivia interesting is that they all 3 are from generation 2, and that the 2 Pokémon with the same type combos come before them. Plus, Spiritomb does not have another Pokémon simliar to it (like Lugia and Ho-Oh are), and Sableye is Dark/Ghost while Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark. The types are not reversed for Charizard/Moltres/Ho-Oh, Natu/Xatu/Lugia, and Exeggcute/Exeggutor/Celebi. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, I don't find it interesting, but, w/e, I guess. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, if i remember correctly, exeggcute/exeggcutor are Grass/Psy, while Celebi is Psy/Grass. But i may be wrong about exeggcute's type order. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 20:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Now that you mention it...you're right. But Spiritomb was just released with the current generation while Ho-Oh's, Lugia's, and Celebi's type-combinations haven't been released with a Pokemon since generation 2. If in the next generation there are no ghost/dark (or vice versa), then we can mention this same kind of thing in Sableye's and Spiritomb's trivia section I guess. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Species?==

I'm wondering if Ho-Oh is a species of Pokémon(The Anime proves there are multiple {{p|Lugia}}) or if there is only one of them? Does anyone have a canon source to verify this? [[User:Auxia|'''AUXIA''']] ([[User talk:Auxia|''talk'']]) 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
: Well, there is usually only one in each game, but I doubt the one that lives in Orre is the same one that is found in Johto. And then there's another one in the Sevii island too! Add to that the one in the anime and I'd say there's at least four of them. Just my oppinion. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: I've always gone under the impression that there are more than one of any Legendary Pokémon and you could just only ever meet one in the games. I mean, practically, no species can really exist indefinitely with only one member. Also, and this may be a bit of a stupid way of looking at it - but if they only had one of each species battling two on Wi-Fi would be impossible. So therefore by game canon, there must be more. But that's just what I think. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure about that, I think there are some legendaries which there are only one of, and there can only be one of (such as Arceus, Dialga, Mesprit etc). These Legendaries have to be unique, the storyline says that they have to be. I think that Ho-oh isn't unique though, although there's no way of really telling. It is a flying type, so it could well appear in each of the aforementioned reigons. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== 13th Movie ==

Has anyone paid attention to Bulba News? Ho-Oh and Lugia have both been contirmed to be it the movie via tseaser after the movie. Could someone add info about this and take out the piece of trivia about Ho-Oh being one of two Pokémon not to be in a feature movie? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:Technically, nothing's really confirmed. Early data about [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|movie 11]] suggested {{an|Palkia}} was going to play a major role in it. Jump to the finished product, and Palkia's got nothing but a few minor cameos. In the case of movie 13, we've only got a teaser trailer, one not even released to the public, to work on. My [[$1|2¢]]: It's still way too early to say anything's for certain. For all we know, a [[Generation V]] legendary or legendary wannabe steals the show, even if teaser trailer elements do turn out to be accurate. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the trailer has been released to the public, should we change the info? (It says that Ho-Oh is LIKELY to appear in the movie; the trailer shows it there, doesn't it?)--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Special pic ==

I was attempting to add an scan of Ho-Oh from the Pokémon Special manga, but now I realized that the page is protected, lol. If someone who can edit this page could add it, here it is:
[[Image:Ho-Oh Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px]]
-- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 

== Sprite trivia ==

Remove it. I can't due to the protection. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Tah dah! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Ho-Oh's Moveset changed, that trivia doesn't apply anymore, does it? --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost completely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to make different tables for each? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's not a bad idea, but it'd require a much larger page. Add that to the fact that many have that situation, such as Hippopotas (though minor) and Kyogre (major). My outlook is that there is too much wording, so maybe the debut of the move (if they're the same, leave it alone). So, DP instead of DPPt, and if it debuted in Pt, then Pt, not PTHGSS. Something of that sort... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::We may be changing our moveset thing sometime soon. After the while iPhone thing goes over. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say that Ho-Oh receives STAB from Extrasensory in his learn set? Ho-Oh027 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Simple mistake, might've been from something like someone copypasting from Lugia's table and they forgot to change it. Should be fixed, now. :D ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== cameo in Super Mario Galaxy 2 ==

should it be mentioned that the parrots in SMG2 are modeled after Ho-Oh? Fluzzard, the big one, even has the same color scheme and another one has the colors of a shiny Ho-Oh. --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 22:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I mentioned Fluzzard in the trivia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Error ==

Ho-Oh on this page is using the Generation II Sugimori art, not the HG/SS art it should be using. Who switched it back to the outdated art? Several other Generation II Pokémon pages have similar errors but if this was meant for some kind of anniversary whatever it was is over now so the art should be changed back to the 4th Gen art for them, among the others with this problem include Magcargo as well as Ho-Oh, though Magcargo's art was just fine a while ago... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 18:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not an error. It is set up to display the older art from time to time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset - Weather Ball ==

Ho-Oh learns Weather Ball, which can change type to Fire-Type, allowing Ho-Oh to have STAB from the attack. However, the attack is italicised in the Generation IV learnset list, which is supposed to indicate it gets STAB when it used by an evolution of Ho-Oh, which doesn't exist. I am not sure if the Weather Ball attack ought to be unitalicised or the template should be changed so that the text below the learnset list can be edited to allow for variations in Pokémon learnsets, so it could specify the requirements for Weather Ball to have STAB.
[[User:Zywxn|Zywxn]] 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ho-oh represents the sun ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Longshan_Temple_-_Fenghuang.jpg look farmiliar? this is a phoenix bird of the sun ho-oh represents the sun, and in extent Lugia represents the moon

==Dragon's Den?==

It says in the anime section that a flame of Ho-oh burns in the Dragons den but I'm sure that flame is not from Ho-Oh, however there is one at Mt. Silver correct? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lugia (Pokémon)

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Ash0011: /* reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon */

Is it really necessary to say that Pressure is cancelled by Mold Breaker? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Not really... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== "Ruler" of the seas? ==

Was there ever a line in generation II that said he was some sort of "King" "lord" of the seas? Or was that only in the second movie?([[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 02:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

== Biology ==

The biology section here is heavily based upon its anime-canon version, which is not unique, rather than what is known about the unique game-canon version. As such, it should be mentioned when it is referring to its presentation in the anime rather than the more universal qualities of the species. As it is, the article treats Lugia as if all Lugia are Lugia from the anime, rather than legendary individuals unique to the game it is from. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:I do notice that every Pokemon has a section devoted to "In the Anime," "In the Manga," but nothing has a section called "In the Games." Sheesh, it's not like the games have no plot! [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Um, I assumed that everything outside of the "In the Animé," and "In the Manga," sections was game-canon. :\ - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
In My Opinion Lugia seems to have been inspired by Ziz in some fators. I dont see how Rayquaza could be and not Lugia.

== Name Origin ==

It does not seem at all relevant to mention Luigi here. Does anyone agree?? I didn't wanna be a jerk and just delete it. [[User:Bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]] 14:24, 18 October 2008
:You’re right, that’s completely ridiculous. I removed the sentence. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 20:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== SoulSilver speculation? ==

This article claims that "Lugia is the version mascot of [[Pokémon Silver]] and [[Pokémon SoulSilver]], appearing on the boxart of both."
Since no official boxart image has been released for these new games, I believe that it is pure speculation, although Lugia would most likely be on the cover in the future.
The same claim is also made regarding to [[Ho-oh]] and [[Pokémon HeartGold]] - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Daninjango}} ([[User talk:Daninjango|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Daninjango|contribs]]) ''
:Take a look at the logo. They are stylized versions of Ho-Oh and Lugia. Plus, they are confirmed to be remade versions of the original GS. It's pretty much confirmed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::Version Mascots have always been featured on boxart. Saying Lugia won't be on SoulSilver's boxart is like saying Team Galactic will triumph in the anime. We know that the twerps will somehow defeat Team Galactic and we know Lugia will be on the boxart for SoulSilver. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Lugia's Level up moves list changed, doesn't that mean it's moveset is not the same in [[SoulSilver]] as it was in [[Gold]] and vice versa? Shouldn't that trivia be removed? I'd do it, but Lugia (and [[Ho-Oh]])'s page can't be edited.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost entirely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to put them in different boxes? The same goes for {{p|Ho-Oh}}. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 05:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Halcyon Days ==

Lugia's ability to quell the ceaseless fighting between the legendary birds and control the weather to calm storms seems to be based on the '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone Greek Legend of Alcyone]' which resulted in the creation of an annual period of tranquility called the '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halcyon_days Halcyon Days]'. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 13:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Relation to Arceus? ==

In SoulSilver one of the Kimono Girls says: Tamao says, “That is Lugia… Since the ancient days, this town has called it the guardian deity of the sky."
Does that mean it to be a God Pokemon relation to Arceus (same with Ho-Oh in HG). '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 19:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:Wait, i though Ho-Oh was the Guardian of the Sky and Lugia was Sea. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Appearance ==

Why is it stated that Ash and Misty act like they have never seen a Lugia before when encountering Silver and parent? In the English dub, at least, Ash specifically states that he had seen a Lugia in the Orange Isles before, which is in direct reference to the second movie.--[[User:Zandock|Zandock]] 21:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wyvern? ==

I find Lugia looks quite a lot like a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyvern Wyvern]. I was wondering if that should be mentioned, as Wyverns typically are shown as being dragons with two legs, two wings, and long necks/tails; which sounds a lot like Lugia's general appearance.
--[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 01:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:This doesn't sound ''so'' implausible...we generally assume it's just a bird, but then again, we do point out the Ryujin parallels, and he's a dragon.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Takeshi Shudo(scenario writer of anime) created Lugia. ==

Column by Takeshi Shudo. http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo206.shtml [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sea swallow ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucus_atlanticus Glaucus atlanticus] looks kind of like Lugia. Maybe it can go in the origin section? {{unsigned|Carolyn81}}
*I don't see any resemblance to Lugia at all. :( - [[User:050294|050294]] 00:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ancient Bird ==

I Remember that there was a bird that lived in the seas, and its wings had "digits" Similar to Lugia, its neck and body was also long as well. Could go on the Origins right? [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Do you remember its name?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Unfortuntly no but maybe i can look it up ill do it now. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay found it. it was called Hesperornis after seeing it for such a long time i realized tbe only thing that had with common with lugia is the feet maybe, the wings were actually just a stub but maybe it's the wrong bird cause i was sure it had wings to swim with. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Takeshi Shudō ==

I know there is a section in this talk page about Lugia's creator being Takeshi Shudō, but I didn't want to drag up conversation that is over three months old. :/ Does anyone think Shudō's death be mentioned on this page? We have a whole Bulbanews post about it and all... [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 06:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's definitely worth mentioning somewhere (it's mentioned on [[Takeshi Shudō|his article]]) but I don't really think it needs to be mentioned here. His death doesn't really have anything to do with Lugia. :P [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::Before yersterday, I hadn't noticed the claim that Shudō had created Lugia. Even though I wish this were a better time to be raising my doubts, I have to say that I'm highly skeptical as to the veracity of that statement.

::The reason that Shudō's column makes me raise an eyebrow is that Gold and Silver were supposed to be released in early 1998, so Lugia must have existed in some form back then - at a time when Shudō was working on Movie 1. In fact, I would think that Lugia would have been seen in the opening of the demo that was playable in the Spaceworld 1997 event; this [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/pokeold/archive/kingin.htm website] even lists Lugia as one of the earliest known Pokémon whose data changed as a result of the delay (its Pokédex number was altered).

::More importantly, eight Pokémon designers were listed in the [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|game credits]]. Why wasn't Shudō's name included? He should have at least been given a special thanks if he had really designed one of the version mascots; I can't imagine that Game Freak wouldn't have given him credit where due.

::I don't wish to taint Shudō's reputation or anything like that, but it seems to me that he was fond of Lugia that he chose to embellish his part in its creation. I can easily believe that he was the one who coined the term "Pokémon X" and thought of associating Lugia with the bird trio, as well as giving it the role of a protector. But those things didn't influence the games at all, and I don't think that a blog column made more than 10 years after the fact is enough to change that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 08:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

::: Your opinion can be understood. It might be a person who thought about the conception. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe change it to "helped with the creation of Lugia". —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== TCG Water-type trivia ==

With the possible exceptions of Beedrill, Venemoth and Flying Pikachu's Fighting type resistance, is Lugia the only Pokemon depicted as having a type it does not actually have? Excluding Delta Species, etc. obviously. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== ...... ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Do you mean this?
:''Lugia seems to represent the moon and shares this distinction with {{p|Lunatone}} ''
:While I wasn't the one who removed it, how exactly does it represent the moon (and Ho-Oh the sun)? The only proof I can think of is that the title screen of Silver, featuring Lugia, is set at night, while the Gold title screen with Ho-Oh is during the day. If you can provide good evidence for it then they could be added back. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::The Silver title screen wasn't during the night. It was under water. You can't tell if it's night or day. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 23:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Instead of 'seems to', I think it'd be better to use 'may', and to omit the part about Lunatone, because it misrepresents the trivia item as fact, though I think it may be a bit too speculative to add in the first place, since there isn't really a good reason why it may be considered a representation of the moon or nighttime. Also, Ash0011, please be a bit more specific in your discussion titles in the future, thanks. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 00:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, you're (Jo The Marten) right, I just looked up the opening for SoulSilver on Youtibe, and if it is underwater, the Silver one will be too. I blame the GameBoy's crap graphics. So, no proof for that trivia then. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Well it doesn't help that Gold and Silver had the [http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy/pokegs/sheet/18974 same background for the intro], just different colors. ^^; So while Ho-oh is in the clouds, it can look like Lugia is above a dark sky. But yes, I saw no solid evidence of their speculation so I removed the trivia. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 00:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I actually thought that Lugia was supposed to be flying over the waves of the sea, but I'm starting to get a bit off-topic now. So unless Ash0011 or someone else can provide evidence otherwise, no evidence for Lugia at least. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::#1 it's supposed to be silver a color commonly attributed to the moon #2 it is psychic and the whole thing about the moon and supernatural powers #3 it also can control water despite being psychic and the moon controlls the tides... need I go on--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:# Is it associated with the moon?
:# ???
:# Besides using Water-type attacks, Lugia doesn't control the seas, and has never been mentioned to.
'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
: the water attaks are what I meant and it's also very so associated with water being refered to as king of the sea in the anime--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 01:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Required for Pokédex completion in DPPt? ==

Lugia and Ho-Oh were considered "Event Pokémon" for the duration of the 4th generation before HeartGold and SoulSilver were released. Were they counted in the completion of the DPPt Pokédex? If not, this would be worthy trivia. --[[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:That's almost certainly ''why'' they were considered event Pokémon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
So... Were they required? - [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 21:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware, Pokémon marked as 'event' in the Dex coding are marked as such so that it still counts as a completed dex if they are not obtained. I don't know of any other reason why it would be necessary to mark them as such. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Possible Trivia? ==

Despite the fact that it has the ability to create powerful storms for days, it can not learn [[Hurricane (move)|Hurricane]]. It was mentioned on the move's page, should it be also mentioned here, or is there no point in adding it? ---''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 04:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure it should be mentioned at all. Powerful storms doesn't necessarily mean a Hurricane. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::*Good point, just was wondering since that it is mentioned under the move's trivia. ---[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 03:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon ==

Points that show lugia represents the moon: referred to as the king of the sea in the anime, uses water type attacks despite no water type affiliation(like the moon controls the tides, pictured underwater despite not having any other water type affiliation, it is silver (the color of the moon), its opposite ho-oh represents the sun. [[Ho-oh]] represents the sun because: it uses fire-type attacks, it bears a direct similarity to the phoenix (wich is commonly associated with the sun), its wings are the colors of the rainbow (bent sunlight) these two could have nothing to do with the sun and the moon, but with the given evidence the chances of that are astronomically slim--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 02:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
If nobody objects in the next day or so then I'm going to add this as trivia.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 18:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lugia (Pokémon)

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Ash0011: Undo revision 1532068 by Jo The Marten (talk) I did add new info and this is to debate the subject

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Ash0011: /* reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon */ new section

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

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Ash0011: /* Flail and Reversal */

== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling? {{unsigned|Viridis.net@gmail.com}}

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article says the only way to know Shedinja's HP IV is finding out its "brother" Ninjask IV, but couldn't we figure it out by knowing Hidden Power type and power? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think you are confusing {{stat|HP}} and {{m|Hidden Power|HP}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::But isn't {{m|Hidden Power|HP}} determined by IVs such as {{stat|HP}}'s? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{m|Hidden Power}}'s type and power depend on every stat IV. If you know the Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed IV, then knowing our Shedinja's Hidden Power type and power would take us to an obvious conclusion of its HP IV, wouldn't it? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 00:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it wouldn't. The formula for calculating the strength and type of Hidden Power relies only on the IVs modulo 2 and modulo 4. For example, if you could change a Shedinja's HP IV from 1 to 29, the type and power of Hidden Power would not change. This is because 1 and 29 are congruent modulo 2 and modulo 4. For more information, see the "Number of possible Hidden Powers" section of the Hidden Power calculation article. [[User:Ali 247|Ali 247]] 17:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
maybe it would be more usable with the Focus Sash?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Logicalfighter666|Logicalfighter666]] ([[User talk:Logicalfighter666|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Logicalfighter666|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
there would be no such thing as a super effective attack.
:::It's completely impossible to be immune from damage, no matter what one does. Even a (hacked, let's say) Dark/Ghost-type with Wonder Guard would be hurt by weather attacks. Since you can't combine Air Lock and Wonder Guard, it is impossible to not take any damage. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 14:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Double Battle. But you are right that it is impossible to be immune from damage: status damage. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Itxi|Itxi]] ([[User talk:Itxi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itxi|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: I was bold and edited it. [[User:Lady BlahDeBlah|Lady BlahDeBlah]] 11:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think that maybe Eseamus was right, because a friend of mine tried it with a great ball, and it didn't work. [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 19:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ditto can breed with the genderless, otherwise we'd have no {{p|Phione}}, no baby {{p|Porygon}}, and a heck of a lot of problems. It's the genderless that can't interbreed. Ditto makes it all possible (unless you're in the {{egg2|No eggs}}). It results in a Nincada, same as if you bred the Ninjask. The only odd thing is... Shedinja is in the {{egg2|Mineral}}... Nincada and Ninjask are in the {{egg|Bug}}... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto is genderless(random comment).[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 21:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Scrappy or Foresight will onlywork with Mold Breaker ==
As they aren't super-effective even after Foresight (and Fighting wouid even be "resisted"). --[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 08:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Sash ==

what would happen when focus sash is equipped to shedy? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 19:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:It can withstand one hit that would otherwise faint it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, since Focus Sash is only one use. But if you equip Focus Band, then it's possible it could survive for a lot longer. Of course, it's equally possible it'll die on the first hit.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 00:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
When I use the name rater, despite being genderless, Shedinja will have a gender when we write a new nickname. Wouldn't that be a nice information for trivia? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 02:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have confirmation of this... If someone can determine where the gender comes from this would be great. At the moment I'm picking the same gender as your Nijask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flail and Reversal ==
I know it's impossible for a Shedinja to have either of these moves without hacking, but supposed one was hacked to have either of these moves... would it have 20 Power because it's at max HP, or would it have 200 power because it only has 1 HP? --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 16:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:That's probably the reason why it's impossible. [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
what about mimic?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|ハネを　うごかさずに　とびまわる。からだの　なかは　からっぽで　いきを　しない　ふしぎな　ポケモン。|It flies around without moving its wings. A strange Pokémon that doesn't breathe and has an empty body.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Small edit requests. First, can you make a ==Pokedex entries== thing over the anime Pokedex entries, and second, can you put a comma in between body and giving? Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Breeding generation 4 ==

I've managed to teach my nincada/ shedinja toxic by breeding from a dustox in emerald. if someone wants to verify this works of generation 4 games, too and add it to the page it'd be nice.
:Nincada can learn Toxic by TM. TM moves known by the father are passed down to the egg if the egg's species is capable of learning the TM, regardless of whether the father learned it by TM or not. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==HP Up==
What about with an HP Up?--[[User:Dratini Egg|Dratini Egg]] 20:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:It's HP is ''always'' 1, regardless of IV and EVs. HP Ups just add EVs, which are completely ignored for Shedinja's HP. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shinyness ==

If this is already in the article, i must not have noticed, but...

-Will a shiny Nincada always produce a shiny Shedinja when it evolves?
-If the Nincada is not shiny, is there a chance the Shedinja will be anyway? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:To answer your first question, yes. A shiny Nincada will produce a shiny Shedinja. It also answers your second question. No. A normal Nincada will never make a shiny Shedinja. Because of identical values and such. I'm not good with that stuff. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It may seem kind of obvious, but i was just checking, because if it were different, it might have been trivia worthy. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't this fact be put under Trivia? {{unsigned|Gideon Kreeter}}
:Why? The Shedinja will always have the same personality value (therefore same IVs, Nature, Shinyness, etc.) as the Nincada it (sort of) evolves from. Just like any other Pokémon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen IV Poison? ==

Is Shedinja really immune to Poison damage in Gen IV? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, due to its ability. Why? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think he means Poison status condition. I often use Shedinja and it can be poisoned.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean immune to being Poisoned, I mean immune to taking damage after being Poisoned. I was curious because it seems kind of weird for it to be immune to Poison damage without being immune to any other non-super-effective damage. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 19:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Poison hasn't been super effective to Bug since Gen I. And furthermore, Shedinja's Ghost type would made it '''resist''' Poison.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 19:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{a|Wonder Guard}} will only protect Shedinja from direct damage. [[Status ailment]]s (like {{status|Poison}}) and [[weather conditions]] will still affect it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Halo ==

Is it me, or in gen III's back sprite, the gap is at the front, and in the gen IV back sprite, the gap is at the back? Shouldn't this belong in the trivia? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 20:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:The gap is actually in the back in both generations, but perspective makes the Generation III halo look wonky. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How does Shedinja learn egg moves? ==

There are several egg moves listed for Shedinja...but since it is genderless, how can it learn those moves? [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 23:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Evolve a Nincada that has them.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Under the Type effectiveness section, it says that Future Sight and Doom Desire can still hit Shedinja. With said moves now taking type into account, is this still true?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:No, Wonder Guard blocks it now. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shedsturdy ==

Will a shedinja take no damage if it has sturdy as it's ability?
:It ''will'' still take damage; the term "OHKO" specifically refers to four moves (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold), not "moves that KO with one hit". (Also, it's "its". : P) —'''[[User:Hexagon Theory|hexagon]][[User_talk:Hexagon Theory|THEORY]]''' 08:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::In Generation V Sturdy protects from all moves that would OHKO the pokemon not just those four. But Shedinja would still be knocked out by status damage, weather, recoil, spikes and stealth rock. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 08:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Guardian Angel ==
How does the ability Wonder Guard lend to the concept of a 'Guardian Angel'? I see both have 'Guard' but Wonder Guard refers more to guarding Shedinja, whilst the Angel is a protector of somebody else, yes? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 20:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there is still its halo...--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

== Belly Drum ==

There is a website where you can "hack" certain moves onto a Pokémon that couldn't normally learn it. I was wondering what would happen if you hack Belly Drum on to Shedinja and then try to use it. My guess is that it would fail, but i want to be sure. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}
:You could have Shedinja mimic Belly Drum without hacking but it would fail, same thing for Substitute. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 21:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Ok thank you. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}

== Trivia ==

When adding trivia is allowed, shouldn't it be noted that it is (theoretically) possible to make a Shedinja immune to all forms of direct damage? This can be done by done by entering a [[double battle]]/[[triple battle]] with {{p|Staryu}} knowing {{m|Reflect Type}} and a Shedinja knowing {{m|Mimic}}.
*Staryu uses Reflect Type. Shedinja, who is slower than Staryu, uses Mimic on Staryu. The foes do anything but [[faint]] Shedinja
*Staryu switches out into {{p|Sableye}}/{{p|Spiritomb}}. Shedinja uses Mimic-Reflect Type on Spiritomb. The foes do anything but faint Shedinja before it uses Mimic-Reflect Type
*Shedinja is now invincible to any means of direct damage.
And then, Shedinja starts destroying the entire world during the battle. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:It could be done with any Pokemon. Have a Pokemon use Skill Swap to obtain Wonder Guard, then dothe res. I dont think its notable. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 08:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, you can only Skill Swap Wonder Guard in Generation III. However, you can still {{a|Trace}} it and get similar results. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

AG050

2011-02-21T17:03:19Z

Ash0011: /* Trivia */

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'''Pros and Con Artists''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンコンテスト・ハジツゲ大会！！''' ''Pokémon Contest! {{tt|Hajitsuge|Fallarbor}} Convention!'') is the 50th episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, and the 324th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on November 6, 2003 and in the United States on October 30, 2004.
{{spoilers}}

== Synopsis ==
{{Incomplete synopsis}}

== Major events ==
* {{Ash}} and {{AP|friends}} arrive in [[Fallarbor Town]] for {{an|May}}'s next {{pkmn|Contest}}.
* Ash has a battle against [[Drew]] and loses.
{{animeevents}}

=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
*{{p|Medicham}}

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|May}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Drew]]
* {{ho|Grace}}

=== Pokémon ===
[[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]]: {{p|Geodude}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{op|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{op|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Taillow}} ({{op|Ash|Swellow}})
* {{p|Beautifly}} ({{op|May|Beautifly}})
* {{p|Seviper}} ({{op|Jessie|Seviper}})
* {{p|Cacnea}} ({{op|James|Cacnea}})
* {{p|Roselia}} ({{op|Drew|Roserade}})
* {{p|Medicham}} ({{ho|Grace}}'s; debut)

Various Contest Pokémon seen:

* {{p|Wigglytuff}}
* {{p|Natu}}
* {{p|Marill}}
* {{p|Hoppip}}
* {{p|Espeon}}
* {{p|Teddiursa}}
* {{p|Smoochum}}
* {{p|Electrike}}
* {{p|Kecleon}}
* {{p|Shelgon}}

== Trivia ==
*The English dub is based on the phrases "pros and cons" and "con artists"
*The gold and silver-colored Pokéblocks are references to the {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} games.
*This was the most recent episode until ''[[DP146|Dressed for Jess Success!]]'' where James crossdressed, a span of over six years.
*This is one of the few times where James's cacnea doesn't hug him upon coming out of its pokeball.
=== Errors ===
* In the English dub, Drew stated "In a Pokémon Contest, you have to be on the same wavelength as your Pokémon..." In May's flashback of what Drew said, it was instead, "In battles, you have to be on the same wavelength as your Pokémon..."
* Taillow avoids Roselia's {{m|Magical Leaf}} despite the move having zero chances of missing.

=== Dub edits ===
=== Pokémon Trainer's Choice ===
* Question: Trainers, which of these is the best to battle {{p|Magneton}}?
* Choices: {{p|Crobat}}, {{p|Lanturn}}, {{p|Geodude}}
* Answer: OK, if you answered {{p|Geodude}}, you were right!

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Talk:Pawniard (Pokémon)

2011-02-18T19:23:47Z

Ash0011: /* origin */ new section

== Pulseman ==
Seeing as Sugimori was behind both, is the similarity notable? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:It looks NOTHING like Pulseman [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 07:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, it's got limbs... and a head... [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 22:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
== I don't see it ==
I'm sorry, but I don't see this Kamen Rider/Super Sentai connection that people seem to take as fact. Someone on Bisharp's talk page even went so far as to say he IS Kamen Rider Black with a link to a picture...of someone who looks NOTHING like either of these Pokemon. Is there some official source that mentions Kamen Rider as these Pokemon's inspiration? If not, I think it should be removed. [[User:SidStarkiller|SidStarkiller]] 03:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== origin ==

this looks like the ninja guy from the mario basketball game (the one on ds)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 19:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lake guardians

2011-02-18T19:05:47Z

Ash0011: /* trivia */

Why won't the links to Neptune and Jupiter work? The one for Minerva works. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Fun|Fun]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'll take a look, but if I can't fix it, ask [[User:Zhen Lin|Zhen]] to. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
::I got it. You accidentally used a colon instead of a | between wp and Jupiter or Neptune. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Puddle shapes ==

{{u|M.vit}} added to this page that the three puddles are in the shapes of the [[dragon trio]]. I can sort of see {{p|Giratina}} in Uxie's cave, but {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Dialga}}... I just don't see them. Does anyone believe this is true besides M.vit? There may be something to this, but I want to get everyone's opinion before I revert again. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]]
:On second thought, I will revert it, and we can add it later if we decide it's correct. Better to keep speculation off the pages and add facts later. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 07:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:: In fact, I can't see anything.... All I see is A triangle in Uxie's Cavern, A Square in Both Azelf's and Mesprit's Cavern. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, the first puddle seen in the article is giratina, which has a shape like this http://gallery.bulbagarden.net/albums/userpics/11378/thumb_giratina.jpg for the second one, you can see dialga's face, with one of the dots acting as his eye, the third one looks like palkia's pearl mixed with his head.--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Anyone else want to weigh in? Although now that you mention it, FF, I think that the third puddle actually looks more like a circle. They all have the weird lines coming out of them, though... --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see it:
*Uxie's cave has Giratina's head.
*the 2nd one is dialaga's head
*the 3rd is palkia's head.
[[User:Sailor Earth|セーラー地球]] 09:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm.. I can see it, A little bit. Just can make up the picture [[User:ForceFire|Force Fire]] 09:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see Giratina and Dialga. Having trouble with Palkia though. I think this speculation, however, is correct. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 07:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Distance ==

I found out that each of the caves according to units on the town map (I.E the one that mention the cave and spear pillar and including girantinas lake) ar roughly 12 units away for each of them by the Pythagorean Theorem. Show anything? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Name... ==

I know ''I'' made up the name "lake trio" but I'm thinking that a better way to describe them would be legendary pixies. Plus, then they'd fit with the other three standard trios. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:What standard? Beasts, birds, golems, dragons, fine, that's a standard...and then there's the weather trio. They don't have a standard, thus break any standard one would have. Everyone calls them the lake trio anyway. Besides being sprite-like (as in fae, not pixel), it's what they have in common that's the most blaringly obvious. Change 'lake' and you'd have to change 'weather'...and the only thing they have in common is the Bible. And we {{tt|cannot|under, like, ANY circumstance}} call them that. Lake trio is fine. ...It's also shorter. You know how people in this fandom like their short hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I also do not see a problem with Lake Trio....I like it.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I guess... I created the name, can't get people off it. I just wonder what happens when GSDS comes out and isn't called something that starts with GSDS... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The weather and dragon trios aren't the same as the lake trio, or the legendary birds/beasts/golems. Legendary Pixies would match better with the other three. I think TTE has the right idea. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't disagree with a namechange, but pixies? Can't we at least think of something better? Pixies is just..... odd. Too odd. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Lake Trio doesn't match with Dragon trio or Weather trio, since they have nothing to do with lakes. They are just found in them. I agree it should be renamed but I am not sure whether it should be "pixies". [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 07:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, OK. Other good options are fairies/faeries or sprites. I'm sure we can come up with plenty more. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 09:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Propose "legendary spirits". — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

How about "Lake Guardians", seeing that's what they're collectively called in the anime, and no one else calls them anything else in canon media. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

They are referred to as "Lake Guardians" by [[Cynthia]]. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sounds good. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::By that, then Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres should be at [[Winged Mirages]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Haven't they actually been ''called'' the legendary birds officially as well, though? Meanwhile Lake Guardians seems to be the ''only'' thing Azelf, Uxie and Mesprit have been called (I assume we're discounting "mirage Pokémon," since that's a Japanese generic term the English games decided to start using).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, only in DP096. In the previous episodes, they were referred individually. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::...so, are we going to move this, or what? [[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone knows them as the Lake Trio now, I'd just leave the title as it is. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts... how about Mind Trio? Just an idea. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Both of the names sound good. I think that Lake Guardians makes them sound more "legendary". --Usyflad10 22:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:Dude... notice the date before you comment on a page. This is from back in the first week of June. That was the fifth. This is the twenty-third. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::And in all that time, we haven't come to a conclusion. I think we should move the page. There's not a lot of dissent, and if there's an outcry afterwards, we can change it back. I don't have the power to do it myself, so... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with a shift to Lake Guardians. It doesn't just sound more "legendary" - it sounds less like fanon, and more like canon, because that's what it is. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Puddles ==

... What I WAS going to say in my edit summary was 'I'm not seeing it.. besides, it's just speculation, isn't it?'. I think a discussion'd be better than just going back and forth in an edit war, so.. um, how do these puddles resemble the DPPt mascots? [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:The Uxie picture is clearly Giratina facing forward. The 2 puddles are eyes, Mesprit's puddle is Diala facing east, the top puddle is the eye, the bottom puddle is in its mouth, Azelf's puddle is Palkia facing west, top puddle is it's eye, bottom puddle is in its mouth. Quite a few people have seen it [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 21:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::i think they actually do bear slight resemblances to the dragon trio. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hm. Now that you point it out, it does kinda look like the three dragons.. It'd be a little less vague if the page said which lake looked like which dragon, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Politoed666 is being an ass. Even though Deth (another admin) can see it, and the consensus on this page says they can see it, he has decided to over ride consensus and over ride another admin, and put his own views, instead of what the consensus is. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:No. They don't. Additionally, Max-o, I'm E.B., which means I technically win against all of you. However, if anyone else wants to weigh in, I may be persuaded to change my mind. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you acting like a dictator, do you need glasses, it's clear which is which, are you saying this happened by accident, why then did the game makers make all the puddles different, and it's clear that the makers were thinking about these puddles, as they included a location of the other 2 lakes. The info has been on there for ages, and the majority can see it. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Come on, Politoed. You know, its true (not about the glasses thing)and its better to have that than absolutely nothing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't usually like getting involved in these arguments, as I don't feel I contribute enough to have a say, but when I saw these puddles in-game the first thing I though was that they looked like the dragons, so I have to agree with the majority here, the puddles do clearly resemble the dragongs. [[User:Crest|'''C R''']] [[User talk:Crest|'''E S''']] [[special:Contributions/Crest|'''T ☆''']] 22:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nice try Crest... Or should I say Super Max? The admins can see your IP address... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

==Shut the hell up==

Speculation like this has no place on Bulbapedia. Take it to the forums. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's now 5-2, and we are arguing about how to improve the article, so it does belong on Bulbapedia, even 2 admins are involved in the argument, and can you talk to people with a bit more respect, we have a code of conduct page you know. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Ditto}} on the {{bp|Code of conduct|conduct thing}}. But in case you didn't know, Max, Ketsuban's an admin too...--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=34706 Take it to the forums.] [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This page isn't just a speculation. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::She was talking about people seeing the Dragon trio in the puddle's shapes, not the page itself. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahh. I thought it was the article. SMax's answer made me confused. @_@ '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lake Guardians ==

Should the article be renamed with this? They were referred like this. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 14:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:Capitalized or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::I guess it's better if it isn't capitalized. It would be consistent with the other pages. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Where were they referred to as Lake Guardians? I've not beat Platinum yet. -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 19:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::It's from the show. At least it's better than a fan-made term. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 21:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I agree. And could we call the Weather Trio "Superancient titans" or something like that? Or maybe call them a legendary duo with Rayquazza as the duo master? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 04:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I like Lake Guardians better. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 18:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Lake Guardians is official. The others aren't, but we should use this name, rather than a fan-name. Also, I could've sworn I saw it in Platinum as well. But it's been used in canon, so it's of higher worth than a fan-made terminology. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Ik it's move protected, but can't Admins Move pages the are move protect? If so, could some1 move it to Lake Gardians? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, I never realised Lake Guardians was an official term! Maybe the article should be moved in that case. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree. It should be moved. We'll have to go through that torture we went through when Alternate coloration was moved to Shiny Pokémon, though. I'm back! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be moved already? There's no point in continuing to keep a fan-made term. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 21:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:Hello DP150. They called it, repeatedly, the lake trio. Thank you TPCI! Shall we move it back? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

== Puddle Shapes ==

I just noticed something. Uxie has a circular head, Azelf has a triangular head, and Mesprit has four things on its head that, if spread out, would make an x shape. If you connect the points on an X, you get a square

...Didn't ANYBODY else see this? ~ Shadowater [April 11th, 2009, 9:46 PM GMT -7 (I don't know how to use the time stamp >.<)]
:Just type four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
::No, sorry, we were busy arguing about whether or not they're the Dragon Trio's heads.
::This is an interesting theory, but I don't see it in Mesprit. It looks triangular, too. It's otherwise a neat pattern, though. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:A circle, a triangle and an X are the three symbols used for judging in the Set KO Tourney in Emerald aren't they? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Whereas I see no resemblance to the dragon trio, nor any significance to the overall shape of the puddles, I have noticed something about the dots in the puddles. In all three, there appears to be a sort of triforce made up of two dots and the respective Pokemon in the cave. However, the corner of the triangle in which the Pokemon appears is different between the three of them. Does this make sense or seem at all significant? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:"As seen in the pictures below, the two circles in each of the Pokémon's caves are the relative positions of the other two, although the meaning of the shapes of the puddles is unknown." The positioning is based on the lakes' locations in Sinnoh. It's in the article already. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

the puddle of uxie looks like it is uxie when opening its eyes, mesprit puddle is like mesprit turning its head to the right. azelf's puddle takes a distorted image of its head. it might be spec but with concentration it could be seen as the heads of the lake trio.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:The puddles are used to show where the other to members would be. Take Mt Corenet. The three Members form a triangle, With Dia/Pal/Gira in the middle. The shapes of the puddles and the member form a triangle as well. At least, thats what i got out of it. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 19:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== After a week? ==

Can somebody clear this up? If you defeat one of them, will they be there the week after? Please help!--[[User:Maii|Maii]] 20:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Maii
:When I defeated one of them in Diamond, they didn't come back. so ill have to say no for DP. As for Pt, i have no Idea. [[User:ShinyPikachu/Petition|Never Give Up]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 19:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::I've heard that it's after you beat Cynthia (again). That's how it worked in my Platinum, anyway.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== A Parallel between the lake trios and Odin, Vé and Vili ==

I was reading up on the god Odin (father of Thor) after seeing a episode of SHS on CN. Well it turns out that Odin has 2 brothers. Now granted this is from Wikipedia, and I've yet to google any more into this, I think its interesting how much Odin and his brothers Parallel Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. To the first human couple, Ask and Embla, Odin gave soul and life; Vili gave wit (intelligence) and sense of touch; and Vé gave countenance (appearance, facial expression), speech, hearing, and sight. So should this be mentioned in this article and/or their individual articles? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 02:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

: Should I just add this info or what? Odin and his brothers represent something that is apart of humanity, just like the lake trio. Plus its not uncommon for there to be multiple counterparts to mythological deities. The article already mentions Athena/Minerva, Poseidon/Neptune, and Zeus/Jupiter, and the {{wp|Vili}} makes a similar mention so I think that's covered. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 17:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
::No, I don't think so. The comparisons are extremely vague, and seeing as there are no similarities in appearance, vague similarities in concept are too little to go by. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::: What do you mean similarities in appearance? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 01:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== trivia ==

arent these and cresellia the only legendaries that haven't appeared in any movies?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 19:05, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Groudon VS. Kyogre ==
If a Groudon battled a Kyogre, and they were both same level, would drought or drizzle last for the rest of the battle? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 14:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe both... but is that possible? --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 14:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)♫☆
:I'm not completely possitive, but I think that they'll just cancel each other out. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 17:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::I've already had this dicussion before. The weather effect is chosen at random between the two. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 17:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I've read that it's whichever Pokémon has lower speed. I don't know where I read that, but it was somewhere. Possibly here, possibly Serebii. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 23:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Well that actually does sound pretty logical. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Lower speed? Wait that doesn't make sense, it's not the other way around? Why would some Pokémon with lower speed have their ability to work quicker?
:::::I know I'm going off-topic now, but how can I get Pokémon sprites to my signature like you guys have? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I didn't see the lower speed thing. Yea, I think it will be the effect of the one with the '''higher''' speed stat. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Come to think of it the one with lower speed CAN make sense. Could it be possible that the first weather takes effect and then the other one replaces it? I'd love to see a YouTube video of this happening. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I got a better idea I will MAKE a YouTube video with that happening. I will do that on Wednesday. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm up for a battle, 1 on 1, Groudon VS (my) Kyogre. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was whoever was sent out second, their Ability will take effect... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Except for the fact that they're both sent out at the same time. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:58 4 Jun 2008'''''

::But the games don't actually show them being sent out at exactly the same time... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::When its groudons turn, drought is in effect and vice versa ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

::::If that's the case, then Kyogre should win the battle seeing that it has the type advantage that is increased by its Drizzle Ability. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had experience with this since me and my friend battle our groudon and kyogre respectivly, the pokemon who is sent out '''second''' will have it's ability active since it overrides the first one's ability, speed has nothing to do with it and no game has changed that not even battle revolution. so technically it's random since the the first one out almost always changes each battle. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:What really happens is that Drought and Drizzle really do activate in Speed order, if both Groudon and Kyogre are sent out first. The faster Pokémon's ability activates, then the slower one's activates. If both Groudon and Kyogre are switched in at the same time, then the Pokémon that actually comes out of the Poké Ball first activates its ability first, then the other one's activates afterward. That situation depends on who selects to switch Pokémon out first/last. This also applies to Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow. [[User:Ranko Hoshino|Ranko Hoshino]] 02:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fake Groudons ==

Perhaps it could be an interesting trivia how Groudon copies and illusions have appeared lots: That ''thing'' in the Jirachi movie, Mismagius' illusion and Uxie's illusion in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2

:/
::exactly, I forgot about the Mismagius thing but it is definatley trivia worth [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was watching ''Jirachi: The Wishmaker'' the other day, and i think the movie provides useful insight into how the real Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were created. The movie reveals that at least two things are necessary to create one of the Weather Trio: a special mineral of which their bodies consist, and a special marking. Whoever created each of them, let's say Arceus, drew markings into the ground using the aforementioned mineral, and like a spell, a being arose with the abilities of said markings. The reason that Butler's plan didn't work was because the marking for Groudon wasn't finished since Jirachi was taken out of the machine. The result was a monster that was kind of like Groudon, but had watery tendrils, and absorbed all the life it could reach into its body. (I call it 'Grougre' since it looked like Groudon, could manipulate water like Kyogre, and had the uncanny power to absorb life. At least, i think it's a good name. :P ) Anyway, that would explain why Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza all have strange, unique markings on them.
Also, shouldn't an article be made about the monster Groudon?-- [[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] 02:56, 26 May 2010

== Groudon Origins ==

I noticed that there is no similarity to Groudon and Godzilla. Considering it battles Kyogre and levels sootopolis, also considering its appearance, I think Godzilla should be added to its list of possible origins.--[[User:Janis|Janis]] 20:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:yes, it could be, and it could be compared that Groudon's [[Solar Beam]] comes out from its mouth like what Godzilla do when it uses its Atomic Breath? [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 11:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

not to mention that it's shiny form is yellow, like godzilla.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

:wait what? in what godzilla anything is godzilla yellow?! i grew up on godzilla stuff and i think i'd remember his color changing from he dark green, dark blue, or dark browns that he's always been depicted as to yellow. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

::Godzilla's either charcoal-grey (most movies) or dark green (Hanna-Barbera cartoon, 2000, vs. Megaguirus). Either way, not yellow. [[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 09:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Something else about the name origin? ==

Perhaps the "don" in "Groudon" stands for the Japanese ドンッ (''don'') which is an onomatopoeia for a crash? (Considering that Groudon can create earthquakes by slamming its feet onto the ground, they would make the "don" sound) Just wondering. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 04:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Japanese Text ==
I notice that the Japanese text here is not translated like in most/all of the other Pokémon pages. I would do this, but I don't speak japanese and I know Google translator can be very iffy when translating more than a word or two. If someone could do this, that would be great.[[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Height Trivia ==
Groudon in the anime IS the correct size. It's not the same HEIGHT as Arbok, as Arbok's "height" is LENGTH. Look at the two in the PokéDex for crying out loud! I would upload a comparison pic myself but I have no way of recording anything on my DSi unlike most other people. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Type Trivia ==
"Groudon is the only Ground-type Legendary Pokémon, excluding Arceus holding an Earth Plate."
[[Landlos (Pokémon)]]
.....
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:It obviously hadn't been updated since BW was released. If you see other things like that, there's no need to talk page it. Just remove it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Maylupa? ==

Who added the 'Maylupa' trivia? I'm just asking because I've never heard of it before and a quick Google turned up squat. Could someone please clarify and expand this trivia? --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 08:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, someone must have thought "Maylupa" is a name of a deity. I took that trivia out, since it's actually just {{tt|Filipino|From Google Translate}} for "landlord". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 10:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Groudon's Draught effect in Pokémon Ruby - need confirmation ==

I'd like to point something that happened in my game.

I always took the time to replant a seed in the areas where I took out berries.
Also, if I found an area where the soil was empty, I'd plant a berry there too.

Now, according to some NPC in the game, when a tree is grown and no one picks the berries, a berry drops on the soil and the tree starts growing again, right?

Well, after I caught Groudon, I went back through the map to check on a few things, and noticed that several soil patches were completely empty.
Nothing was there.

I believe this was because I didn't rush to catch Groudon...
I just went around, leveled up, and did other stuff.
Could this be the effect of Draught over the world map?

I just need someone who has been playing this game to confirm if this is true, or if there's some other explanation for the empty soil patches
(there were many, in several routes, not just one).

Also, if there are other effects like a constant low tide in shoal islands
(I thought about this one only after I saw the patches, so I already had Groudon caught)

If it's true, then it would make sense to think that Kyogre's rain, over a long period of time, may have an effect as well
(perhaps increased berry growth? constant high tide?)

Any input from anyone who has Ruby, Sapphire or even Emerald is appreciated, thanks. {{unsigned|Raven-14}}
:How long did you leave it before going back to check? They will only replant themselves a certain number of times. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::I was regularly going back to collect berries, now that I had Fly available (for use in Pokeblocks and also use them instead of Antidotes and Full Heals because it saves money), so no more than 2 days of real time and around 6 to 8 hours of game time. I was leveling in that time and then caught Groudon. After that, when I made my runs through the several routes to gather the berries, some were completely gone, others were still there.
::[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 10:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

arent groundon and [[kyogre]] the only 2 non bw legendaries that haven't had a major movie role--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 13:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
:{{p|Cresselia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} and [[Lake guardians]] had no role as well, as far as I remember. {{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Raikou}} had only minor roles... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 15:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::forgot about those, but {{p|Raikou}} was in the new movie--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 18:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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== Mew? ==

There's a small cameo of Mew. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTc-XXKLyw&feature=related at 8:11 [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 21:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

U have a good eye! I found it too!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Huh? I can't see it... Are you talking about that pink thing standing with all the Pokémon at the left? Because if so, it's poor quality but it looks more like a Jigglypuff. Did I miss something? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 21:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and the head shape can't be a Jiggly--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's too big to be Mew. This video is very low quality, if someone could look on the DVD maybe it would clarify it. But I really doubt a Mew cameo would go unnoticed for almost a decade... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 21:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

No it definitely is Mew--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry guys, its Jiggly. I have it on tape. plus, its to big to be Mew! and look at those eyes! [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

NO, look @ the LEFT Side. That head can't b Jigglypuff's!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Kuki, if a guy with a tape says it's Jiggly, than it's Jiggly. Surely he didn't just MISS the left one. It definitely looks like Jiggly to me. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The pink @ the right is Jiggly--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:I know. They both are. This argument is silly. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 22:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Pause it. Look @ the head ahapre of the left pink Poké. Get bak to me--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah... I forgot to specify specifically where it was. Like Kuki said, it's on the left of the screen, RIGHT next to the Venusaur. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh. When you say low-quality, you ''mean'' low-quality.
::Anyway, I saw a Cubone that could probably be mistaken for Mew. At least, at that resolution. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Martonimos has a point. And Mew can move around in the air, so y would it b standing with Pokémon who can't?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:An easter egg, I'm assuming. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

::I ''know'' which one you meant, Rodyn. It's still a Jiggly. Not a Mew. They both are. I'm repeating myself here. And Kuki, don't change other people's comments, even if they're badly worded. This isn't the first time you're doing this. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 23:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure they're talking about the thing I think is Cubone, man.
:::By the way, I assume you're talking about what happens around 8:10 in that video (so nobody else has to watch the whole frakkin' thing to find it)? And I'd also like to add that there are two of the Cubone/Mew thing; one on the left near Venasaur, and one on the right near Parasect, nearly hidden by the edge of the cliff. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, now that I've looked at it for about 5 minutes straight, I can see the round shape to it. Definitely a Jigglypuff. And here I thought I found some hidden easter egg that almost no one discovered... [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

But what about the Cubone/Mew?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I'm referring to. And I tossed out a lot of my movies, Pokémon ones included, a few months ago to clear space. So it's unlikely I'll be able to get to double-check first-hand. [[User:Rodyn|Rodyn]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Its CUBONE! I just re-watched it on tape and paused it to look closeley. You can see it's little eye holes. sorry, it did look like Jiggly to me at first.. so CUBONE! [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:It is cubone.You can see the Skull and the eye holes[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
Itdefinitly isn't Mew. It is either Cubone or Jigglypuff. More likely Cubone, as it can't swim nor fly, unlike the other two.[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 20:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I've got it paused right here and those things don't look anything like Jigglypuff to me. It couldn't be Mew, so it must be Cubone with only the head shown. Or maybe this person just added them. I'll have to look at my tape of it to be sure (too bad I won't visit my grandparents house where the tape is until the summer.)--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== ''Charizard'' ==

So, apparently it aired just before Charizard Chills. I don't remember Charizard being disobediant in the movie. Does this mean that Charizard cared more about the fate of the world than it cared about Ash (at least at the time), so it was willing to get off its lazy *** and help Ash get to Ice Island; or does it mean that they pulled a Mewtwo's Counterattack in Japan again - releasing the movie before where it actually belongs? For those who don't know what I mean, in Japan, Mewtwo Strikes Back was released prior to all the Mewtwo Cameos in the anime. Thus the link-ins with the Movie, scenes that we all saw before the movie came out, such as Gary losing to Mewtwo or Mewtwo destroying the Rocket HQ near Pallet Town, actually appeared in Japan after they appeared in the movie, thus pointing out that the movie's events happened at a later time than at the release episode in Japan.

What does this mean towards Revelation Lugia? Did the Japanese version spoil Charizard's obedience to Ash as seen in Charizard Chills, or was this simply a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world). What do you think? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That makes since to me. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 21:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:What makes sense? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::''"...a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world)."''
That. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 00:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it does make sense. I would tend to support that opinion, considering that Mewtwo Strikes Back is seemingly the only Movie released prior to its placing in the anime, and this is the only possible reference to it being after ''Charizard Chills''. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 05:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] and [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] here's why:

Point 1:
If you watch during the intro the trio decides to release their Pokemon for some fresh air before they reach their destination. This was ultimately a plot device to allow them to showcase the Pokemon, yet if you watch closely, when Ash releases Charizard he shoots a flame in all directions and Ash and Misty both freak out right before Ash recalls Charizard. This is a familiar scenario played out over and over again throughout the Anime prior to Charizard Chills. Frequently Ash would call Charizard, he would immediately shoot a flame thrower (often at Ash) then Ash would think twice and recall him.

Point 2:
Charizard has shown that he would do things that benefit Ash, if Charizard wants to. The most obvious example being defeating Magmar and enabling Ash to win the Volcano badge for the Indigo League. On top of that, as has been noted, all of the Pokemon were converging to try and help stop the world catastrophe if they could. I believe it is clear that it is for this reason that Charizard seems more helpful then would be expected prior to Charizard Chills.

Point 3:
I could be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Ash never once commands Charizard to do anything (at least not on screen). There are two points where Charizard preforms a helpful act:
1) Charizard is released simultaneously with Squirtle and Bulbasaur. All 3 of them (plus Pikachu) try to break Moltres free, but Ash never actually asked any of them to do anything but to "go".
2) The second act is pulling Ash's sleigh, where once again no command was given. Ash looks at the wrecked boat, then suddenly they are already moving quickly. Obviously Charizard must have been cooperative or Ash would have never gotten a rope tied around him, but still we never directly see him "obeying Ash" which is what Charizard never once did prior to Charizard Chills.

Based on these 3 points there is no doubt in my mind that this move takes place prior to Charizard Chills and since it was released between the episodes Bound For Trouble and Charizard Chills that this should be it's place in the time line. ~[[User:Dinner4JC|Dinner4JC]] 13:30, 03 November 2008 (UTC)

==Corsola==

Hello, I think I saw a Corsola in this movie. During the segment involving "The Guardian's Song", there is a part where all the Pokemon are swimming under the Beast of the Sea, and I thought I saw a Corsola on the Gyrados' head, can anyone clarify it for me? - {{u|Robbie Newton}}
:Post your talk sections at the bottom of the list. Also, timestamp your posts with the four tildes (~), rather than just putting your username. That said, I highly doubt that Corsola was in the movie, and you probably had a similar moment to where I ''thought'' I saw Delibird in ''Holiday Hi-Jinx.'' It's easy to mistake watching back at old movies and episodes after you've seen the new Pokémon, because your may mind associate the new Pokémon in the same grouping as the old. That said, GenII Pokémon did start showing in the VERY FIRST EPISODE, so it is POSSIBLE, though IMPROBABLE, that you saw right. Good luck on the confirmation. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
: OK, watched it on DVD and I was mistaken, it was just the way they had drawn the fin on top of Gyarados' head. [[User:RobbieNewton|RobbieNewton]] 14:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon thee Movie 2000 ==

Where i live it's called "Pokemon the Movie 2000" Should that be mentioned? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC))
:The alternate title is mentioned...in the first line of the article. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 02:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu/ Latias ==

''Pikachu becomes the second Pokémon to steal Ash's hat in the film, and Ash behaves similarly to the way he did in Primeape Goes Bananas. '''However, when Latias steals his hat in Pokémon Heroes, Ash behaves in a more mature and friendly manner.''''' Does this last statement really belong here? This is three movies before Pokémon Heroes takes place! [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== error ==

"Ash could have given Professor Oak the GS Ball... However, it is likely that this was done on purpose" I think this is not really an error. if i remember correctly, when ash is with professor oak, he does not have his bag with him. so the gs ball might be in his bag so he could not give it. alternatively, professor oak did not ask for the gs ball too... he left before ash can give it to him. so i think the gs ball is in the bag and professor oak does not want to wait for him to get it? just my opinion -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Something which may be considered an error is the fact that the 3 Legendary Birds, as they appear in this movie, are approximately 3 times their actual size. Though Lugia seems to be the right size (about 17 feet long) or slightly smaller (compared to Ash), Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres are shown to be about the same size as Lugia, even though their pokedex entries list them as 5'7", 5'3", and 6'7" respectively. Though this may be a factor of why Lawrence III's computer called them 'unique,' it is not acurate to the pokedex or other depictions of the Legendary Birds. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 20:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Canon ==

Is this movie Canon?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I'd say this movie has to be canon, because in the Master Quest episode, "The Mystery is History", Ash mentions having seen a Lugia before. He says, "I saw one once in the Orange Islands." =) And I think Team Rocket comments on that too. --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 12:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== card ==

what about the [[mew]] on the rare ancient mew card--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 01:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Exeggcute (Pokémon)

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==Evolution==
In the '''Special Abilities''' section of this article, it mentions that an [[Exeggcute]] can evolve without a [[Leaf Stone]] if one of the "eggs" separates from the pack and then rejoins. When has this ever occurred? -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 20:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

In ''Pikachu's Rescue Adventure'', referenced in the anime section of this article. -- [[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:09PM, March 27, 2009

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure chancy can learn the move because it uses it in pokemon stadium i'm pretty sure. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
: I think that was RBY only. Wasn't Barrage a TM then? [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]23:59 Dec. 21, 2008

== TM21: Mega Drain ==

According to this page, Exeggcute can learn Mega Drain via TM21 in generation 1. However, in Red my Exeggcute cannot do so. Anyone have any insight into this?
:It's probably a mistake here, and it does not learn Mega Drain by TM then. Other sites agree with you. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Inspiration for Exeggcute ==

In the anime Mokke, in episode 12, there were a bunch of spirits trying to stop people from crossing a bridge who strongly resembled Exeggcute. They apparently came from a batch of Hina dolls who'd been abandoned there. It might be that Exeggcute is based on something in Japanese mythology, but I don't know what it's called.
[[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:07PM, March 27, 2009

== Crystal ==

In crysttal one of the frames the face dissapears! --[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:it's because they're all spinning around, and why did you sign your comment 5 times [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It held and didnt stop for a bit.sorry

== Edit request ==

Because I'm so picky about direct linking...

<code><nowiki>hgssarea=[[Headbutt]] Trees |</nowiki></code> 
Should be 
<code><nowiki>hgssarea={{m|Headbutt}} Trees |</nowiki></code> 
--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Ehm, does Exeggcute has the same backsprite in both GSC and RSEFRLG?

== Exeggcute is found in the Berry Forest ==

Right I just noticed that someone forgot to add the link to the Berry Forest in the Game locations for Exeggcute, so I added it so that Exeggcute's FireRed/LeafGreen Game locations are more accurate.

[[User:Charles Legend|Charles Legend]] 06:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

In Pikachu's Rescue Adventure the chansey's egg appears to be an Exeggcute any comments?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Exeggcute (Pokémon)

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==Evolution==
In the '''Special Abilities''' section of this article, it mentions that an [[Exeggcute]] can evolve without a [[Leaf Stone]] if one of the "eggs" separates from the pack and then rejoins. When has this ever occurred? -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 20:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

In ''Pikachu's Rescue Adventure'', referenced in the anime section of this article. -- [[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:09PM, March 27, 2009
:omg there was a leaf stone there on the ground glowing right next to it--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure chancy can learn the move because it uses it in pokemon stadium i'm pretty sure. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
: I think that was RBY only. Wasn't Barrage a TM then? [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]23:59 Dec. 21, 2008

== TM21: Mega Drain ==

According to this page, Exeggcute can learn Mega Drain via TM21 in generation 1. However, in Red my Exeggcute cannot do so. Anyone have any insight into this?
:It's probably a mistake here, and it does not learn Mega Drain by TM then. Other sites agree with you. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Inspiration for Exeggcute ==

In the anime Mokke, in episode 12, there were a bunch of spirits trying to stop people from crossing a bridge who strongly resembled Exeggcute. They apparently came from a batch of Hina dolls who'd been abandoned there. It might be that Exeggcute is based on something in Japanese mythology, but I don't know what it's called.
[[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:07PM, March 27, 2009

== Crystal ==

In crysttal one of the frames the face dissapears! --[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:it's because they're all spinning around, and why did you sign your comment 5 times [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It held and didnt stop for a bit.sorry

== Edit request ==

Because I'm so picky about direct linking...

<code><nowiki>hgssarea=[[Headbutt]] Trees |</nowiki></code> 
Should be 
<code><nowiki>hgssarea={{m|Headbutt}} Trees |</nowiki></code> 
--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Ehm, does Exeggcute has the same backsprite in both GSC and RSEFRLG?

== Exeggcute is found in the Berry Forest ==

Right I just noticed that someone forgot to add the link to the Berry Forest in the Game locations for Exeggcute, so I added it so that Exeggcute's FireRed/LeafGreen Game locations are more accurate.

[[User:Charles Legend|Charles Legend]] 06:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

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== Then what happens to the trunk? ==

"{{p|Exeggutor}} originally came from the tropics. Its heads steadily grow larger from exposure to strong sunlight. It is said that when the heads fall off, they group together to form {{p|Exeggcute}}."

...so what does the trunk become if all the heads fall off? I wonder, could it survive without the heads? This is technically a form of devolving like if a [[Shellder]] detahces from a [[Slowpoke]].--[[User:JP585|JP585]] 22:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:it probably means that 1 falls off and regrows not all at once--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Heads ==

Exactly how many heads does it Exeggutor have? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I've count sometimes 7 but mostly 6 and once in the manga one had 5 and some had 4.
sooo...
either 7,6,5,or 4 sometimes
(I'm sorry if I confuse)
[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 12:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Faves?==
Should it be noted that one of the creators has named this his fave Pokemon (granted, it was before Generation II)? -- [[Image:Ani157MS.gif]][[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]][[Image:Ani465MS.gif]] 05:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:Um, do you have any proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::I wish I could find it. It was listed as part of an interview in Nintendo Power long ago. He stated that his Exeggutor was his favorite and was at level 84. I'll poke around some more. -- [[Image:Ani157MS.gif]][[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]][[Image:Ani465MS.gif]] 22:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Head facing player ==

Should it be noted that, up until Gen. 4, Exeggutor, like Mawile, is; in a sense; facing the player?

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure Chancey can use Barrage, also any Pokemon that uses Metronome can use it.[[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:Chansey has Egg bomb.Not barrage[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
::Said this on Exeggcute. Wasn't Barrage a TM from RBY? I can't remember correctly but I think it was in Safari Zone. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]] 00:02 Dec. 22, 2008
:::Nope. See [[Barrage|here]]. I highly doubt we've got it wrong. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

==Trivia about Melvin's Exeggutor==

The trivia section claims this:
:"While Melvin's Exeggutor waves goodbye to Ash and his friends at the end of The March of the Exeggutor Squad, additional heads can be seen in the back; this has, to date, appeared in no other media"

This is obviously bull, as ALL the Exeggutor throughout the episode are depicted as having additional heads, this is also the case for the Exeggutor in the episodes Round One Begin! & very briefly in Misty Meets Her Match. The back sprites for Gen I - III also show a fourth head.

Someone really needs to remove this from the trivia section, I would do it if this wasnt my first ever post...

Talk:Happiny (Pokémon)

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==Name Question==
Shouldn't this be moved to '''Pinpuck (Pokémon)''', since it's referred to by that name almost everywhere on the page? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 22:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

==Obesity==
Could anyone enlighten me as to the rationale behind attributing to Pinpuku a weight number higher than Blissey's? This is hardly a matter akin to Bellossom, which might be shorter than Oddish, but at least appears to be so. Chansey, on the other hand, is very consistent with Pinpuku proportion-wise, as is Blissey with Chansey.

Unless I am missing something, this strikes me as an awkward attempt to make a point about the round stone carried by Pinpuku, which is apparently by far heavier than an egg.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] ([[User talk:Unown Lord|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Unown Lord|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I agree, that weight just doesn't seem right. Someone seems to have messed with it. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Oval Stone, but then what? ==

It says on here to get a Happiny to evolve you need to use an Oval Stone. Problem with the is Pipie(that would be her nickname, Pearl Version is the game I'm using) can't have it used on her. I tried using it during the day but it didn't work at all. Is there some sort of level requirement or something else I should know about? Pipie is level 15, hatched out of an egg, if that information helps for whatever reason... I think the article should put level requirements on there if there is such.

- Mew Blackberri

:Is the Happiny in question '''holding''' the Oval Stone? If not, that's your problem. Happiny needs to hold the Oval Stone in order to evolve. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:Indeed, Pipie was holding the oval stone. I tried haveing her hold it a full twenty four hours as well as utilizing the 'use' option for the stone, neither of which worked. The game must hate me... >.< Thanks anyway.

:- Mew Blackberri
::I hate to point out the obvious, but it's under the evolution chart of Happiny, which reads: Level up with Oval Stone (Day). [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 03:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait, let me clarify that. Have it hold Happiny hold the Oval Stone, and level it up during the day. [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 03:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia: Experience Yield ==
Its trivia says it would yield 13,933 experience points if it belongs to a trainer, and is level 100.
But please take a look at the formula [[Experience#Experience_gain_in_battle|here]].
It says:

[[Image:Exp.png]]

So, (1.5 x 255 x 100)7 = 5464.29.
In order to reach 13,933, we should multiply 1.7 times 1.5 times 5464 (what means ''foreign'' Pokémon holding a ''lucky egg''). I ''guess'' we have three options:
*add those information to this page (and also {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Blissey}} and {{p|Chansey}})
*erase some numbers and tell the readers just "Happiny has the highest base experience yield to date"
*change the value. Take out 13,933 and write 5464

I tried that before but someone told me to double-check my grammar (I'm not complaining), then I'm afraid of messing it up again. [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 14:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

==Edit request==
With the airing of DP190, can a staff member please update that Brock's Happiny evolved? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Habbit ==

I think it should be mentioned that happiny has a habbit of carrying a round stone in her pouch.[[User:Angel10698|Angel10698]] 14:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:Umm... it is mentioned. In both the Physiology and Behavior sections, not to mention the Pokédex entries. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

should we add Happiny and {{p|Farfetch'd}} are the only two pokemon that have an item in their sprite.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:Not notable, Cubone, Marowak, Chansey, Blissey, Spiritomb also hold things. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::[[chansey]] [[blissey]] and [[spiritomb]] don't hold things, the odd keystone is part of spiritomb, and chansey and blissey have eggs not stones (they are kind of like kangaskahn) forgot about [[cubone]] and [[marowak]] though--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

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== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling? {{unsigned|Viridis.net@gmail.com}}

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article says the only way to know Shedinja's HP IV is finding out its "brother" Ninjask IV, but couldn't we figure it out by knowing Hidden Power type and power? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think you are confusing {{stat|HP}} and {{m|Hidden Power|HP}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::But isn't {{m|Hidden Power|HP}} determined by IVs such as {{stat|HP}}'s? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{m|Hidden Power}}'s type and power depend on every stat IV. If you know the Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed IV, then knowing our Shedinja's Hidden Power type and power would take us to an obvious conclusion of its HP IV, wouldn't it? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 00:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it wouldn't. The formula for calculating the strength and type of Hidden Power relies only on the IVs modulo 2 and modulo 4. For example, if you could change a Shedinja's HP IV from 1 to 29, the type and power of Hidden Power would not change. This is because 1 and 29 are congruent modulo 2 and modulo 4. For more information, see the "Number of possible Hidden Powers" section of the Hidden Power calculation article. [[User:Ali 247|Ali 247]] 17:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
maybe it would be more usable with the Focus Sash?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Logicalfighter666|Logicalfighter666]] ([[User talk:Logicalfighter666|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Logicalfighter666|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
there would be no such thing as a super effective attack.
:::It's completely impossible to be immune from damage, no matter what one does. Even a (hacked, let's say) Dark/Ghost-type with Wonder Guard would be hurt by weather attacks. Since you can't combine Air Lock and Wonder Guard, it is impossible to not take any damage. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 14:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Double Battle. But you are right that it is impossible to be immune from damage: status damage. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Itxi|Itxi]] ([[User talk:Itxi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itxi|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: I was bold and edited it. [[User:Lady BlahDeBlah|Lady BlahDeBlah]] 11:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think that maybe Eseamus was right, because a friend of mine tried it with a great ball, and it didn't work. [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 19:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ditto can breed with the genderless, otherwise we'd have no {{p|Phione}}, no baby {{p|Porygon}}, and a heck of a lot of problems. It's the genderless that can't interbreed. Ditto makes it all possible (unless you're in the {{egg2|No eggs}}). It results in a Nincada, same as if you bred the Ninjask. The only odd thing is... Shedinja is in the {{egg2|Mineral}}... Nincada and Ninjask are in the {{egg|Bug}}... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto is genderless(random comment).[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 21:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Scrappy or Foresight will onlywork with Mold Breaker ==
As they aren't super-effective even after Foresight (and Fighting wouid even be "resisted"). --[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 08:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Sash ==

what would happen when focus sash is equipped to shedy? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 19:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:It can withstand one hit that would otherwise faint it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, since Focus Sash is only one use. But if you equip Focus Band, then it's possible it could survive for a lot longer. Of course, it's equally possible it'll die on the first hit.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 00:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::if it could learn a move like aqua ring and hold a focus sash it would be nearly invincible--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gender ==
When I use the name rater, despite being genderless, Shedinja will have a gender when we write a new nickname. Wouldn't that be a nice information for trivia? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 02:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have confirmation of this... If someone can determine where the gender comes from this would be great. At the moment I'm picking the same gender as your Nijask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flail and Reversal ==
I know it's impossible for a Shedinja to have either of these moves without hacking, but supposed one was hacked to have either of these moves... would it have 20 Power because it's at max HP, or would it have 200 power because it only has 1 HP? --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 16:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:That's probably the reason why it's impossible. [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|ハネを　うごかさずに　とびまわる。からだの　なかは　からっぽで　いきを　しない　ふしぎな　ポケモン。|It flies around without moving its wings. A strange Pokémon that doesn't breathe and has an empty body.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Small edit requests. First, can you make a ==Pokedex entries== thing over the anime Pokedex entries, and second, can you put a comma in between body and giving? Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Breeding generation 4 ==

I've managed to teach my nincada/ shedinja toxic by breeding from a dustox in emerald. if someone wants to verify this works of generation 4 games, too and add it to the page it'd be nice.
:Nincada can learn Toxic by TM. TM moves known by the father are passed down to the egg if the egg's species is capable of learning the TM, regardless of whether the father learned it by TM or not. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==HP Up==
What about with an HP Up?--[[User:Dratini Egg|Dratini Egg]] 20:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:It's HP is ''always'' 1, regardless of IV and EVs. HP Ups just add EVs, which are completely ignored for Shedinja's HP. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shinyness ==

If this is already in the article, i must not have noticed, but...

-Will a shiny Nincada always produce a shiny Shedinja when it evolves?
-If the Nincada is not shiny, is there a chance the Shedinja will be anyway? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:To answer your first question, yes. A shiny Nincada will produce a shiny Shedinja. It also answers your second question. No. A normal Nincada will never make a shiny Shedinja. Because of identical values and such. I'm not good with that stuff. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It may seem kind of obvious, but i was just checking, because if it were different, it might have been trivia worthy. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV Poison? ==

Is Shedinja really immune to Poison damage in Gen IV? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, due to its ability. Why? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think he means Poison status condition. I often use Shedinja and it can be poisoned.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean immune to being Poisoned, I mean immune to taking damage after being Poisoned. I was curious because it seems kind of weird for it to be immune to Poison damage without being immune to any other non-super-effective damage. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 19:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Poison hasn't been super effective to Bug since Gen I. And furthermore, Shedinja's Ghost type would made it '''resist''' Poison.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 19:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{a|Wonder Guard}} will only protect Shedinja from direct damage. [[Status ailment]]s (like {{status|Poison}}) and [[weather conditions]] will still affect it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Halo ==

Is it me, or in gen III's back sprite, the gap is at the front, and in the gen IV back sprite, the gap is at the back? Shouldn't this belong in the trivia? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 20:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:The gap is actually in the back in both generations, but perspective makes the Generation III halo look wonky. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How does Shedinja learn egg moves? ==

There are several egg moves listed for Shedinja...but since it is genderless, how can it learn those moves? [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 23:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Evolve a Nincada that has them.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Under the Type effectiveness section, it says that Future Sight and Doom Desire can still hit Shedinja. With said moves now taking type into account, is this still true?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:No, Wonder Guard blocks it now. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shedsturdy ==

Will a shedinja take no damage if it has sturdy as it's ability?
:It ''will'' still take damage; the term "OHKO" specifically refers to four moves (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold), not "moves that KO with one hit". (Also, it's "its". : P) —'''[[User:Hexagon Theory|hexagon]][[User_talk:Hexagon Theory|THEORY]]''' 08:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::In Generation V Sturdy protects from all moves that would OHKO the pokemon not just those four. But Shedinja would still be knocked out by status damage, weather, recoil, spikes and stealth rock. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 08:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Guardian Angel ==
How does the ability Wonder Guard lend to the concept of a 'Guardian Angel'? I see both have 'Guard' but Wonder Guard refers more to guarding Shedinja, whilst the Angel is a protector of somebody else, yes? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 20:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there is still its halo...--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Happiny (Pokémon)

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Ash0011: /* Trivia */ new section

==Name Question==
Shouldn't this be moved to '''Pinpuck (Pokémon)''', since it's referred to by that name almost everywhere on the page? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 22:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

==Obesity==
Could anyone enlighten me as to the rationale behind attributing to Pinpuku a weight number higher than Blissey's? This is hardly a matter akin to Bellossom, which might be shorter than Oddish, but at least appears to be so. Chansey, on the other hand, is very consistent with Pinpuku proportion-wise, as is Blissey with Chansey.

Unless I am missing something, this strikes me as an awkward attempt to make a point about the round stone carried by Pinpuku, which is apparently by far heavier than an egg.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] ([[User talk:Unown Lord|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Unown Lord|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I agree, that weight just doesn't seem right. Someone seems to have messed with it. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Oval Stone, but then what? ==

It says on here to get a Happiny to evolve you need to use an Oval Stone. Problem with the is Pipie(that would be her nickname, Pearl Version is the game I'm using) can't have it used on her. I tried using it during the day but it didn't work at all. Is there some sort of level requirement or something else I should know about? Pipie is level 15, hatched out of an egg, if that information helps for whatever reason... I think the article should put level requirements on there if there is such.

- Mew Blackberri

:Is the Happiny in question '''holding''' the Oval Stone? If not, that's your problem. Happiny needs to hold the Oval Stone in order to evolve. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:Indeed, Pipie was holding the oval stone. I tried haveing her hold it a full twenty four hours as well as utilizing the 'use' option for the stone, neither of which worked. The game must hate me... >.< Thanks anyway.

:- Mew Blackberri
::I hate to point out the obvious, but it's under the evolution chart of Happiny, which reads: Level up with Oval Stone (Day). [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 03:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Wait, let me clarify that. Have it hold Happiny hold the Oval Stone, and level it up during the day. [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 03:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia: Experience Yield ==
Its trivia says it would yield 13,933 experience points if it belongs to a trainer, and is level 100.
But please take a look at the formula [[Experience#Experience_gain_in_battle|here]].
It says:

[[Image:Exp.png]]

So, (1.5 x 255 x 100)7 = 5464.29.
In order to reach 13,933, we should multiply 1.7 times 1.5 times 5464 (what means ''foreign'' Pokémon holding a ''lucky egg''). I ''guess'' we have three options:
*add those information to this page (and also {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Blissey}} and {{p|Chansey}})
*erase some numbers and tell the readers just "Happiny has the highest base experience yield to date"
*change the value. Take out 13,933 and write 5464

I tried that before but someone told me to double-check my grammar (I'm not complaining), then I'm afraid of messing it up again. [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 14:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

==Edit request==
With the airing of DP190, can a staff member please update that Brock's Happiny evolved? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Habbit ==

I think it should be mentioned that happiny has a habbit of carrying a round stone in her pouch.[[User:Angel10698|Angel10698]] 14:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:Umm... it is mentioned. In both the Physiology and Behavior sections, not to mention the Pokédex entries. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

should we add Happiny and [[Farfetch'd ]] are the only two pokemon that have an item in their sprite.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2011-02-16T21:45:10Z

Ash0011: /* Cannabal? */

Nowhere on here does it say that Chansey evolves into Blissey. I don't know where that would go, though. [[User:Dan|Dan]] 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Someone was adding the evolution information for different Pokémon to each article - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]], I think. However, come to think of it, I don't think I've seen him add any more in a while, and there's still articles missing that information... if you'd like to contribute, go ahead, just make sure you follow the style that's been established (use the [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Evolution|Bulbasaur]] article as a reference). --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

== Koala? ==
Does anyone besides me think that Chansey is based of a {{wp|Koala}}??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see no resemblence between Chansey and a Koala. None at all. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then. Well, don't you see the remeblence in the ears of the koala and the little fluffs of hair on Chansey???? The biggest similarity that I see is that they're both rounded in shape and have pouches. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

i also see no remeblences. Dakclaw http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/c/ce/Trozeiani257.gif

I think it's just based on an egg, but they've enhanced it [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu? ==

«''Chansey is one of six Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other five being Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Roselia and '''Pikachu''').''»

{{p|Pikachu}} in [[Generation I]] evolves in {{p|Raichu}}! --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Is it too late? ==

I was wondering if there was a way that my chansey could learn softboiled. I didn't evolve my happiny to chansey until it was level 24, due to my leaving exp. share on it and not paying attention. So basically I want to know if my chansey will lean softboiled, or will I have to try and catch a chansey with it already?
:You could probably go to the move relearner with a heart scal. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)I
:Thank you very much. I haven't played Pokémon since Red so I wasn't too sure what I could do.

==Pt. Rarity==

Is current;y listed as '???'....asplain plz [[User:Flyingemus|Flyingemus]] 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:That means we don't know the rarity yet. i.e. someone has found them in certain routes, but no-one actually knows the rarity yet. Or if they do, it has been overlooked. Based on my encounters in game, I would say that it would either be rare or uncommon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 04:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

There is an image of two Chansey in the anime section, namely "File:EP002 008.jpg". That image has been moved to [[a:File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg|File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg]], please change the link so that the redirect at the original filename can be deleted from the Archives. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 09:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS ==
This article is incomplete.
It doesnt say what items it holds in HG/ss {{unsigned|Fishmonk}}

== Lucky Punch ==

So the [[Chansey (Pokémon)]] page says that in Generation I games, Chansey had a 100% chance to be found holding a [[Lucky Punch]]. If you click on the link [which redirects to [[Stat-enhancing item]]], it says the Lucky Punch was introduced in Generation II. One of these cannot be correct. But which one? [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 02:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're both correct, actually. If you trade over a Chansey from RBY, it'll always be holding a Lucky Punch.
:... or so I hear. :V Anyone want to try that out to double-check? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Noteable? ==

is it noteable that chansey's shiny sprite is possiby a refrence to green eggs and ham?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:is it also worth mentioning that this is one of the few pokemon who's evolution cycle spans 3 generations (gains an evolution in 3 different gen)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::The green eggs and ham is more of an coincidence. and there's too many Pokemon that do that to be notable [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Cannabal? ==

Wouldn't Chansey technically be a cannibal given that it eats its own eggs for softboiled? Is Chancey the only cannible in the game?
:no source says it eats the eggs for softboild or that the eggs hatch into other pokemon--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-02-16T21:40:51Z

Ash0011: /* Turtle */

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

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==Your trivia==
I'm not entirely sure on your trivia to the Legendary birds of Johto, but odds are you need to provide some reasoning into why it is relevant. Asking about it on the talk page was the right thing to do, but you actually did not need to post on both pages. Also, when making a subject headline, make it so other users know right away what you're talking about, instead of putting several periods together. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Oh okay then but what about Deoxis?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:13, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-02-15T22:08:07Z

Ash0011: /* Turtle */

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lugia (Pokémon)

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Talk:Ho-Oh (Pokémon)

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So the name IS Ho-oh?

Anybody got a screenshot to lay it down one way or another? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 19:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Evkl, the name is Ho-Oh. Check it out here:

http://www.pokemon.com

It also says that name in the Nintendo Power Pokémon Colosseum strategy guide, the Pokémon Official Pokédex book, Prima's strategy guide, Nintendo.com... The name *IS* Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

All online refrences I've seen put a lowercase O. The games are utterly inconclusive, being in all caps... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto to that. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]]

Don't forget the NP FireRed/LeafGreen guide and a poster from a fairly recent issue of Nintendo Power, which both use an uppercase "O". However, older official material, such as the NP Pokémon Crystal guide, say "Ho-oh", so I guess NOA changed its mind as some point. Right now I'm *considering* moving the article and updating all related pages to reflect this.
[[User:Woopert|Woopert]] 20:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Uhh run that past Evkl first. I also got a screenshot confirmation that it is Ho-Oh. It was from the anime. The episode title screen and it says "For Ho-Oh, the Bell Tolls". It's also Ho-Oh in the Prima guide with the (TM) at the top. IIt's officially confirmed as Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

Chris has shown me a screencap which includes a capital O, which is the closest to a canon source I've been able to find up until now. So I'm leaning towards Ho-Oh. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 20:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

'''Note by evkl: The Prima guide is NOT Canon.'''

Despite what I've said on AIM about its spelling, Pokemon.com [[http://www.pokemon.com/media/television/index.asp?ep=298 shows it as "Ho-oh"]] whereas I thought it listed otherwise. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 00:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And to add the anime episode title, there's the GBA Video's page for [[https://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=2da810b1-52cf-48e7-bc01-a3f5ba83f95e the episode]] which uses "Ho-Oh" as said above. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 04:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:What about in the cards? As in TCG? It says "Ho-oh"... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::They switched it to the Ho-Oh capitalization in {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} and never went back. Some people assumed this capitalization to be a mistake at first, but Mystery Dungeon 1 proved that "Ho-Oh" was now indeed the correct capitalization for the Pokémon's name. Just for the record: "Ho-oh" and "Ho-Oh" are considered the same name in the TCG for numbering purposes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

==Ho-Oh in the anime==

We know that Ho-Oh was the first Pokémon seen in the animé, in the first episode. This always led me to believe that Ho-Oh was infact invented by the animé creators, when making the sequals, they attempted to cash in on it by making it a proper Pokémon. (Highly similar to the release of Yellow infact) I also always thought that Marill was also created the same way, by the animé guys and then used in the games. (Although the showing of Marill and release of G/S are not half as far apart as the Ho-Oh appearance.) Anyway, I was wondering if there is any evidence at all to suggest Ho-Oh was made by the animé guys? And if maybe this is worth mentioning in the article, I always thought it was fishy at least. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 10:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The stylistic similarities between the RBY generation of Pokemon and the GSC are high and so its likely that the first 251 pokemon were conceived at the same time hence why Ho-oh appears in the first episode. Afterall, there is apparently about 1000 original concept drawings by the original creator of pokemon so that suggests that a lot about the pokemon world was already finalised before the anime was in production.
--[[User:Ainohuyuah|Ainohuyuah]] 12:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt this actually in the infomation? That it is the "Unknown Pokemon" from episodes 1-2 Indego League, I think it should be included --[[User:Denty|Denty]] 19:06 11 Mar 2010

==Pronounciation==
How is Ho-Oh pronounced? I think it's ''hutt-o'' or ''Ho-ho'' Well? [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:I say 'Ho' and then 'Oh' as in 'Oh no'. But thats just me [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

::That's pretty much it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move Tutor in Crystal Version==

I looked up Ho-oh in the Library at Earl's Pokémon Academy on Pokémon Stadium 2, and it says that Ho-oh can learn Flamethrower and Thunderbolt from the Move Tutor in Crystal. Is there any way of putting this in the article? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:That is already on Ho-Oh's Gen II learnset. That learnset can be found [[Ho-Oh_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29/Generation_II_learnset#By_tutoring|here]].- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 21:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, at least it's somewhere on BP. But why are'nt the Generation II moves that Pokémon used to learn but don't anymore (i.e. Hoppip had Pay Day on its Breeding Moveset in Generation II, but it doesn't anymore.) get included in the articles? If they were, it could be noted elsewhere. [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

==Platinum Sprite==
There appears to be a Platinum Sprite on the page, practicly the same as the D/P sprite, should it be removed, or is there a difference? [[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:It is the exact same sprite. The Platinum sprite is a redirect to the Diamond & Pearl sprite. It shouldn't be removed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ranger? ==

This is generally irrelevant, but how does it have Ranger artwork? It doesn't appear in Ranger!--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 22:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe they meant to put it in, but took it out? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 22:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Ranger artworks.jpg|right|thumb|]]
::Most of the legendary Pokémon from Gens 1 to 3 have official artwork from Ranger for some reason. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, these images are in my Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue stratagy guide. I don't know why everyone thinks it's from Ranger. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Edit War. ==

People, could you ''please'' stop changing the trivia '''over and over''' again? You're making us decent Bulbapedians look bad. Thank you.
:Love, [[User:ShinjiLover|ShinjiLover]], who is still trying to think of a better siggy.

But it isn't good trivia. It's not unique, it isn't notable (IMO), and what about Spritomb? Why isn't it listed too? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:Trivia is considered to be something that is interesting or something you might not have know/might not have thought about before. I asked TTEChidna what he thought and he said it was kind of interesting. The trivia is unique in that only the 2nd Generation of non-trio ūbers have this common and not with any other Pokémon. I don't really see why it's such a problem.
:And Spiritomb only has 1 other Pokémon before it to have the same type as it. What makes Lugia's, Ho-Oh's, and Celebi's trivia interesting is that they all 3 are from generation 2, and that the 2 Pokémon with the same type combos come before them. Plus, Spiritomb does not have another Pokémon simliar to it (like Lugia and Ho-Oh are), and Sableye is Dark/Ghost while Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark. The types are not reversed for Charizard/Moltres/Ho-Oh, Natu/Xatu/Lugia, and Exeggcute/Exeggutor/Celebi. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, I don't find it interesting, but, w/e, I guess. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, if i remember correctly, exeggcute/exeggcutor are Grass/Psy, while Celebi is Psy/Grass. But i may be wrong about exeggcute's type order. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 20:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Now that you mention it...you're right. But Spiritomb was just released with the current generation while Ho-Oh's, Lugia's, and Celebi's type-combinations haven't been released with a Pokemon since generation 2. If in the next generation there are no ghost/dark (or vice versa), then we can mention this same kind of thing in Sableye's and Spiritomb's trivia section I guess. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Species?==

I'm wondering if Ho-Oh is a species of Pokémon(The Anime proves there are multiple {{p|Lugia}}) or if there is only one of them? Does anyone have a canon source to verify this? [[User:Auxia|'''AUXIA''']] ([[User talk:Auxia|''talk'']]) 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
: Well, there is usually only one in each game, but I doubt the one that lives in Orre is the same one that is found in Johto. And then there's another one in the Sevii island too! Add to that the one in the anime and I'd say there's at least four of them. Just my oppinion. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: I've always gone under the impression that there are more than one of any Legendary Pokémon and you could just only ever meet one in the games. I mean, practically, no species can really exist indefinitely with only one member. Also, and this may be a bit of a stupid way of looking at it - but if they only had one of each species battling two on Wi-Fi would be impossible. So therefore by game canon, there must be more. But that's just what I think. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure about that, I think there are some legendaries which there are only one of, and there can only be one of (such as Arceus, Dialga, Mesprit etc). These Legendaries have to be unique, the storyline says that they have to be. I think that Ho-oh isn't unique though, although there's no way of really telling. It is a flying type, so it could well appear in each of the aforementioned reigons. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== 13th Movie ==

Has anyone paid attention to Bulba News? Ho-Oh and Lugia have both been contirmed to be it the movie via tseaser after the movie. Could someone add info about this and take out the piece of trivia about Ho-Oh being one of two Pokémon not to be in a feature movie? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:Technically, nothing's really confirmed. Early data about [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|movie 11]] suggested {{an|Palkia}} was going to play a major role in it. Jump to the finished product, and Palkia's got nothing but a few minor cameos. In the case of movie 13, we've only got a teaser trailer, one not even released to the public, to work on. My [[$1|2¢]]: It's still way too early to say anything's for certain. For all we know, a [[Generation V]] legendary or legendary wannabe steals the show, even if teaser trailer elements do turn out to be accurate. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the trailer has been released to the public, should we change the info? (It says that Ho-Oh is LIKELY to appear in the movie; the trailer shows it there, doesn't it?)--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Special pic ==

I was attempting to add an scan of Ho-Oh from the Pokémon Special manga, but now I realized that the page is protected, lol. If someone who can edit this page could add it, here it is:
[[Image:Ho-Oh Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px]]
-- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 

== Sprite trivia ==

Remove it. I can't due to the protection. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Tah dah! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Ho-Oh's Moveset changed, that trivia doesn't apply anymore, does it? --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost completely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to make different tables for each? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's not a bad idea, but it'd require a much larger page. Add that to the fact that many have that situation, such as Hippopotas (though minor) and Kyogre (major). My outlook is that there is too much wording, so maybe the debut of the move (if they're the same, leave it alone). So, DP instead of DPPt, and if it debuted in Pt, then Pt, not PTHGSS. Something of that sort... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
::We may be changing our moveset thing sometime soon. After the while iPhone thing goes over. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say that Ho-Oh receives STAB from Extrasensory in his learn set? Ho-Oh027 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Simple mistake, might've been from something like someone copypasting from Lugia's table and they forgot to change it. Should be fixed, now. :D ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

== cameo in Super Mario Galaxy 2 ==

should it be mentioned that the parrots in SMG2 are modeled after Ho-Oh? Fluzzard, the big one, even has the same color scheme and another one has the colors of a shiny Ho-Oh. --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 22:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I mentioned Fluzzard in the trivia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Error ==

Ho-Oh on this page is using the Generation II Sugimori art, not the HG/SS art it should be using. Who switched it back to the outdated art? Several other Generation II Pokémon pages have similar errors but if this was meant for some kind of anniversary whatever it was is over now so the art should be changed back to the 4th Gen art for them, among the others with this problem include Magcargo as well as Ho-Oh, though Magcargo's art was just fine a while ago... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 18:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not an error. It is set up to display the older art from time to time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset - Weather Ball ==

Ho-Oh learns Weather Ball, which can change type to Fire-Type, allowing Ho-Oh to have STAB from the attack. However, the attack is italicised in the Generation IV learnset list, which is supposed to indicate it gets STAB when it used by an evolution of Ho-Oh, which doesn't exist. I am not sure if the Weather Ball attack ought to be unitalicised or the template should be changed so that the text below the learnset list can be edited to allow for variations in Pokémon learnsets, so it could specify the requirements for Weather Ball to have STAB.
[[User:Zywxn|Zywxn]] 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== ..... ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Deoxys (Pokémon)

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== Missingno. ==

I'm not quite sure in {{p|Deoxys}} is supposed to be based of Missingno. or not. Even my {{p|Jirachi}}-is based-off-the-Beanstar theory manages to mak more sense then that.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:33, 6 September 2005 (CDT)

:Oh, puh-leeze. Deoxys is not based off [[Missingno.]] I should know, I'm the self-proclaimed expert on Deoxys. (the key word there being self-proclaimed.) -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:34, 8 January 2006 (CST)

::Not that I added it to the article, but I do somewhat agree that it shares a few traits... the call, kind of... It's like Hypno sounds like Jynx when sped up, only Deoxys you have to play backwards and sped up to make it sound like Missingno.. And the southern island thing. But I dunno, mostly it's just fan speculation unless we go and ask the designers ourselves. Not that I'd imagine they forgot about Missingno. entirely. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Deoxys is most likely not based on Missingno.. However, until it can be disproven, it is a valid theory.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 02:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Location ==

How do you obtain Deoxys? Where is it? Also, how do you obtain Jirachi or Mew?

:Deoxys requires the ticket(forgot the name). On an island. Jirachi is the Colo bonus disk. Mew requires the old sea chart.

:The ticket is called the Aurora Ticket. It was given out at Pokémon Rocks America 2004. -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:30, 8 January 2006 (CST)

IMO, I think Deoxys is based on it's namesake, DNA. or else viruses, with are just coated proteins like DNA.

:Deoxys is based off '''Deoxy'''riboneucleic (did I spell that right?) acid, or DNA. Its forms, '''D'''efense, '''N'''ormal, and '''A'''ttack, form the word DNA. The '''S''' in '''S'''peed is the last letter of its name. -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:30, 8 January 2006 (CST)

== Transfer from Wikipedia ==

(Just like the exodus of german scientists to America during World War II!)
Since the Wikipedia pokemon articles are in danger of being deleted, I made it my duty to add the info to the Bulbapedia articles from Wikipedia, starting with this one!!!
[[User:MudkipNDS|MudkipNDS]] 19:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)mkds
:No worries, you don't have to be so frantic. The old pages are just being ''redirected''; you'll always be able to find old versions of the page through the "history" tab at the top of the page.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

==Eggs==
It says "no eggs" for the egg group yet specifies a number of steps to hatch. Huh?--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 20:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:While it ''is'' impossible for a Deoxys egg to exist, every species was given a number of steps to hatch; this information was found through hacking probably. In most cases, impossible eggs are given a ludicrous number of steps anyway.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::It's not impossible to have it, you just have to hack it. But yes, the hatching steps do come from game data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
:::The reason Deoxys has an egg step number is to prevent the game crash that happend in Gen II, when people would use cheats to get special eggs the games would crash when a legendary egg is made. This way players could hack legendary eggs without crashing their game. [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 18:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== D/P Back sprite ==

Is it just me or that back sprite looks a little... glitchy? Cause it isn't usual to have a brightly colored outline and then darker colors and shading, but meh. :P [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Looks as if it was cropped out of a move picture, with a move that slightly changed the area around it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::It was taken from the original sprite rip which for some reason had this issue for all the Pokémon with form differences. I've fixed it now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==

My Deoxys is in Attack Form, hit Level 33, and learned Pursuit. The movelist says it should have learned Spikes (which I wanted). Is the movelist wrong? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 07:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:You sure it's in Attack form? The other three learn it at 33, so you might be mistaking the form. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::That was indeed an error, and has now been corrected. For the record, this also applies to Taunt, which is Defense Deoxys' exclusive move, rather than Attack Deoxys' (it learns Knock Off along with the other two).

::Whoever got the movelist wrong must have done so because he expected the three non-Normal forms to each have four exclusive moves. In truth, Attack Deoxys has two such moves (Superpower and Zap Cannon), Defense Deoxys - six (Spikes, Taunt, Iron Defense, Amnesia, Counter and Mirror Coat), and Speed Deoxys - four (Double Team, Swift, Agility and ExtremeSpeed). --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed another error: the page says recruit area of Deoxys is Beau Plains, but it's in fact Enclosed Island! Can someone edit it? I can't find the right section.

[[User:Takaoldaria|Takaoldaria]] 19:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. Whoever upgraded it forgot to put the parameter in, and the template defaults to Beau Plains. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Artwork ==

I just uploaded the shiny artwork for Deoxys, but I'm stuck for placs to put it. [[Image:ShinyDeoxys.png]] <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 21:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:..{{tt|he|Ken Sugimori, btw.}} made shiny Deoxys artwork? ..interesting. :0 [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've actually found all of the shiny artwork... <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 21:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ooo.. link please? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... It's basically just another Pokémon site. Oh and just to let you know it's in french. [http://www.pokebip.com Pokebip] <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I told a white lie... No ''all'' of the Shiny Artwork, but some. XD <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lol. Seems like it's just recolored in Photoshop or something though, but it's cool to look at :0 [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I like how they have the sprite image halfway through the animation. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Umm that Shiny art orginally came from [http://www.pokebeach.com Poke Beach]. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:They're all just shooped. No need for shiny Sugimori art of all of these things. The normal art and shiny sprites suffice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Youtube Fake video ==
I've seen a youtube video that shows a trainer catching it in pokemon ruby [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11P54qgUwo&feature=related] this video is obviously fake, cause it's a pokemon FireRed hack and the battle script is the same as Ho-oh, but the video ends just as the battle begins. This guy has tricked so many people to do what they see in the video.

should be added info on this? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 16:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:There's no need to add information on every fan-made video posted, let alone this one in particular. There are tons of videos just like this on YouTube alone. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

== Deoxys' hand?==

Why does Deoxys have a hand in his sprite, but in his artowrk he just has tentacles? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 03:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Ask Game Freak. '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|うずまき]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|ハルカ]]''' 17:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::It's been assumed that Deoxys can willfully form its tentacles into a hand.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Pokémon Ranger confirms this. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Destiny Deoxys did way before Ranger, fyi.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 04:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

==Aeroblast?==
I'm not sure deoxys can legitimately get areoblast even from an event I'm pretty sure thats just a rumor [[User:ShinyMedicham]]
:Well, first of all, where did you hear that it can get Aeroblast, and second, does that seem like a good source? [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 18:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==Gamestop Event==
Look at this should this be added under events?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 20:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff194/CoolPikachu/20080607_deoxys-event_usa-4.jpg

Yes, it's even on Bulbanews. It should get a mention here.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 15:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:I am gonna get myself a deoxys. WOOHOO[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Emperor's Cookies]] 15:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

{{tt|You too?| I'm going to the mall to check if they have it.}}[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 15:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, its the week of my brothers birthday[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Emperor's Cookies]] 15:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so the Deoxys will be a birthday gift?[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 15:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a very cheap one =][[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Emperor's Cookies]] 16:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:I wonder if you'll still be able to obtain one even if you have a Deoxys transfered over from Gen III... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Since, more or less it will be a Wonder Card, yes. tc26 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone put in the article that this Deoxys doen's obey its trainer. Maybe Gamestop goofed and forgot to set the flag required for their official Deoxys to obey. Or maybe that guy doesn't have the required badge... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I found out today that the National Pokedex is a requirement for this event, in order for the wireless transfer to commence. Kinda wish there were more accurate details on Bulbanews beforehand. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 04:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:Uh, yeah, it's a national Pokémon...and, uh, no offense but did you ''just get'' the game or something? It's been out a good year by now...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
::Don't be so rude! The guy is new at Pokémon, like most of us have been... and I also ''just got'' Pokémon Pearl, but I have played Pokémon for a long time now (8 years =D) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Dang, really? Well. All I can say is, Tyler, if you want that Deoxys there's still next weekend. ...that'll be one hell of a busy week.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I just got my Deoxys yesterday at Gamestop, so I will give you all the run-down on it's stats:

Name: Deoxys

Lv: 50

Pokédex No.: ???

Type: Psychic

OT: Gamestp

ID No.: 06218

Ball: Cherish

Item: NeverMeltIce

Naive nature.

Jun. 20, 2008

Pokémon Event

Apparantly had a fateful encounter at

Lv. 50

Somewhat vain.

Likes sweet food.

HP: 120/120

Attack: 155

Defense: 57

Sp. Atk: 163

Sp. Def: 61

Speed: 171

Ability: Pressure

Attacks:

Psycho Boost (PP 5/5)

Zap Cannon (PP 5/5)

Iron Defense (PP 15/15)

ExtremeSpeed (PP 5/5)

And all I needed was the Pokédex, so my second Pokémon (after Turtwig) was this Deoxys, thanks to the "Mystery from Space" Event. I picked it up at Sandgem Town WITHOUT the National Pokédex. Of course, it won't listen to me 19 times out of 20, but that's just because I only have one badge. [[User:Thunderboom|Lord Thunderboom]] 18:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Forme spelling ==

''Originally, all of Deoxys's different "formes" were thought to be spelled as "form." However, after Giratina's Origin Forme was revealed, fans went back to check Pokémon.com, and the Official Emerald Players guide (published in 2005) to find that "forme" has in fact always been the official spelling"''
 What exactly does the Player's Guide say? If it's just a random appearance of the word, then my suggestion is revert everything to "Form" until either word appears capitalized in a game, just like "Form" (and never "Forme") appears in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and Pokémon Ranger. IMO, a Player's Guide or news coverings can't be trusted more than the released games themselves. To be fair, the Prima guides also spell it "forme", but still, it's just paper. Super Smash Bros. Brawl spells it "forme", too, but without a capital "F". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 18:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:So let me get this right - Prima, a player's guide, the official Pokédex website AND Super Smash Bros. Brawl use "forme" and you still think that the official terminology is "form"? It clearly isn't. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::My point was that Pokémon Ranger and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon spell them "Form", with a capital "F", in the text of the game. They are Pokémon games, more mainstream than any Super Smash Bros. game will ever be, and more digital than any guide will ever be. Bulbapedia is intended to be leaned a bit more toward in-game data from what I know. I remember Zhen Lin telling me to fix the "Electric Squirrel" words and place Pachirisu's species name as "EleSquirrel" for example.
::Politoed666, I don't get why my change was reverted specifically [[Deoxys (Pokémon)#Side game data|here]]. The current table about Mystery Dungeon is using the in-game spelling, so I was doing the same, in the Pokémon Ranger side game data section, with the names of the Deoxys "formes" (if you wish, outside of the context) as they appear in Pokémon Ranger as mentioned by Solana and Spencer. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:: This is a page from Nintendo's Pokémon Emerald Players guide. [http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b248/Chishio-kun/DeoxysPage.jpg]
::As you can see from the image above, it is not an error, forme is the proper spelling. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 18:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::: Thanks. I hope in the future everybody takes into account the dates in which different spellings appear, though (I suppose that's 2005). --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 19:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Woah, BIG image. Link amended. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 20:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: ''Thanks. I hope in the future everybody takes into account the dates in which different spellings appear, though (I suppose that's 2005).''
Yup. The guide is from May of 2005 when Emerald was released. And further proof that forme is the proper spelling has shown up in the Deoxys event info at the [http://www.pokemon.com/ Pokémon website] today. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 20:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Ok, I appreciate you ^_^. We should archive the link for future non-believers: http://www.pokemon.com/#news_/XML/news_265.xml --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Changing Problem ==

How Do we change the Move list?I've found that you can't put a small specific word(such as FR) to that specific forme moves(for the example word must be FRLG)
also I checked many website found that Taunt is a Attack Forme only move.--(since English is not my mother language...there may be have grammer mistake) --[[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpunノ]]14:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:Uh oh, youre right =) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:That's easy. I set it up for Deoxys's formes. Instead of FR/LG/E/RS, just put the form of the Pokémon. Attack Deoxys learns a move, put Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks,should the move list like now??--[[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpunノ]]12:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== Art in the infobox ==

I know with Deoxys we do the "standard forme" thing... but we have Wormadam with all three of her coats, same with Burmy, and Shellos and Gastrodon in both West and East Sea variations. I know that's how the Sugimori art came, but why the heck not combine the images into one, then put it in the infobox? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::I'm all for combining them, but wouldn't that make the images a tad small? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::No need to force the image to be small... It could be high-res and clickable. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Seems to me that it's a good idea TTEchinda... If some one here knows how to do that. [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 18:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Why is it only Attack Forme now? It was fine before when it showed all the formes. Maybe we could do the same thing with this page that the Arceus page has; make it so that each time the page is refreshed it changes the displayed forme.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 02:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Deoxys changes every day when the page is refreshed, Arceus every second, Giratina every hour and Shaymin is in its Sky Forme during the hours that it is allowed to be in the games. Also, I think that Unown will change every second like Arceus when we find more artwork (if any exists).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think it's possible with Unown. There isn't any other artwork.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I see, thank you. But it is still a little fuzzy, like someone mentioned. I don't know how to correct that, though. Does anyone have a larger image of the official artwork?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 11:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Also, Rotom now changes with the days of the week: Saturday and Sunday are Normal, Monday is Heat, Tuesday is Wash, Wednsday is Frost, Thursday is Spin and Friday is Cut.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Can it be fixed so the moveset shows the forme-exclusive moves? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there any possible way to fix the quality of the Defense artwork, or get a better version of it? —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 07:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nevermind, didn't see the discussion about it below...>_> —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 07:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== GenIII Backsprites ==

I always thought we could have the sprites cycle through the ones available in each game like the Arceus sprite does on it's page (the GenIII backsprites being a good example). We could even do this for all multi-formed Pokémon {{unsigned|MisterE13}}
:For Arceus it is ok, 'cause it has many forms in the same game, but it's not the case for Deoxys (as in Gen III has different forms for different games), so all of them must be shown at the same time.
:And another thing... if you want to start a new section on a Talk Page, click on the + at the top and sign your user name with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, I forgot. I just meant instead of cramming all four backsprites into sections of the box, it could cycle the way the Arceus sprite near the top of the page does. I was also thinking that we could do that for the GenIV ones because you can get all 4. We could also do it with Castform, Cherrim, Arceus, Unown, Burmy, Wormadam, Giratina, Shaymin, Rotom... The sprites could even cycle whenever the moving (Emerald + GenIV) sprites animation finishes.[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 19:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::By the way, I meant this one
[[Image:Arceus Formes.gif]][[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 19:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::That would be an epic pain. Plus, the only way to do that would be to change the nice, crisp pngs into crappy 256-color gifs, so everyone could see them. And that's a definite no. Anipngs would be for the animation of the sprites, not for showing all of them. The way we've got it is just fine, as far as I'm concerned, since you can click the images anyway to get to the fullsize versions. And we're not doing one of those stupid gifs for everyone. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== "Forme" trivia ==
The trivia section currently states "fans went back to check Pokémon.com, and the Official Emerald Players guide (published in 2005) to find that "forme" has in fact always been the official spelling". However, [http://dragonflycave.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199741&postcount=1 this user] says that the official FireRed/LeafGreen guide (published in 2004) uses "form", so apparently the "forme" spelling hasn't been "always official". '''<code>[[User:Abwayax|abwayax]] ([[User talk:Abwayax|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Abwayax|c]])</code>''' 00:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:I'm going to go ahead and change that piece of trivia, since I see no objections. '''<code>[[User:Abwayax|abwayax]] ([[User talk:Abwayax|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Abwayax|c]])</code>''' 00:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

What is the point of the trivia stating, "In its Generation III Normal Forme sprite, its arm is on its right side, while in Generation IV the arm is on its left. Additionally, in Generation III, it only is shown with four fingers, while in Generation IV, it has five."?
The animé (yes that is how you are ''supposed'' to spell it), and Sugomori art show that Normal Forme Deoxys can twist the arm-tentacles together to form a "humanoid" arm. Doesn't that meen that it should be able to have an arm on either side, and probably change the finger number? [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 23:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then go and add that part to the trivia. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Horrible fuzzy pictures! ==

Why is the Deoxys picture used at the top of article always enlarged, so that it is horribly pixelated? I think it would be better just to make it smaller, which I would do if I knew how, but I'm not very familiar with Wiki code. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:I've been wondering that too, but I don't have any artwork to replace it with. Also, is there a reason that the Speed Forme sprite in the Gen III evolution line is the one from Gen IV? It looks out of place since the Normal, Attack, and Defense Forme sprites there are from Gen III.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 15:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's because the only Speed GenIIIwe have moves, which would look even more out of place. Feel free to upload another.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 15:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, let me see if I can crop a sprite from somewhere. I'm not familiar with the code, though, so it may take me a few tries to make it work...--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Never mind, I found a sprite at PKMN.net. We are allowed to use it, since it's a sprite, right? http://pkmn.net/sprites/rs/deoxys/386speed.png I don't know how to upload it, though.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Color change ==

Has anyone else noticed that Deoxys's Gen III sprites are different colors than its Gen IV sprites? Its Gen III sprites are orange, while its Gen IV sprites are darker and more reddish. Should this be added to the trivia?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:No...it's not important...because it's the same color. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 13:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, it's darker in Gen IV, if you compare the back sprites. Also, the gem in its chest is a different color in Emerald than it is everywhere else; it's pink in Emerald, but purple in all other games and formes, even its Gen IV Speed Forme. And is it just me or is its gem bigger in its Defense Forme than in its other formes?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 17:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia error? ==

This might be me being stupid, but the trivia says "Deoxys was the first Pokémon to have its own unique battle music", but didn't Suicune in Pokémon Crystal have unique music when you battled it? I haven't played Pokémon Crystal in a while, so I might be wrong. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 18:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think Suicune's music was shared with Entei and Raikou, as before this, all Pokémon had the same wild encounter theme. Deoxys was the first to have its own music, without sharing. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
::I know it was shared in Gold and Silver, but I think it might have been different in Crystal. I'm not 100% sure though. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 15:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No, the trio all definitely had the same music in Crystal. —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 07:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Formes between games ==

Just asking, if I have a Speed forme of Deoxys in Emerald, and I trade it to FireRed, will it still have his Speed forme or will it change to FireRed's forme? If the answer is the second option, shouldn't this be in the article? --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 15:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:The second option is true. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Deoxys in the Anime ==

Looking back, that was a pretty bad edit. Long, rambly, save for grammar, spelling, and capitalization. Still, someone should do something, it is not right as it is. The purple Deoxys did not just appear and go to Larousse city, it was in the same meteor as the green Deoxys. Rayquaza did not simply appear out of nowhere either, it had a previous battle and current motive to track down and attack the Deoxys. Worst of all, it wasn't because Emerald had not come out yet that the Speed forme had not appeared in the movie, it was because it had not been created yet. It had come out in Emerald because by that time, they had made Speed forme Deoxys and needed a third generation game to contain that data. Can someone correct this while keeping it short?--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 00:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== New picture? ==
I believe that we should use a different picture for Deoxys. I don't mean to nitpick, but the picture we have up right now is a tad pixilated and shows only one Forme (Defense). I've found a clearer picture that shows all four of Deoxys' formes (Speed, Attack, and Normal, as well as Defense). http://ui11.gamespot.com/362/deoxysdppokesafari_2.jpg So, what say you? [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 16:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, that looks pretty ugly tbh. Also, read the notice at the very top of this talk page. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:46, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Forme Change ==

In heartgold and soulsilver. How do you do it? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:Route 3. Just like the article says. There are rocks on Route 3, similar to the ones in Veilstone. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fake Groudon ==

Is it just me, or does Fake Groudon look like a Deoxys forme? He has the tentacles, the colours, but no one seems to see it but me...[[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 06:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's not enough similarity to even ''think'' about mentioning it. When I commented on similarities between the Lake Trio and the GSDS prefixes on the GSDS talk page, I got shot down, '''''hard'''''. That had a bit more substance than this. Also, your attempt at actually ''writing'' it into trivia had multiple errors. Finally, sign when you post on talk pages. All it takes is four ~s. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:57, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
OK...sorry, i'm kinda new here, and only found this after I did that. I tried to go back and remove it, to find it was already gone. anyways, I didn't mean it was an actual forme, but you have to admit it does look like it could be. Also, whats GSDS? [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 06:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
: I went and removed it as soon as I saw it added... twice. My advice is simple: When in doubt, talk before adding.
: [[GSDS]] was the fan name for HGSS before they were announced and got official names, apparently given by {{user|TTEchidna}}. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't fully understand that connection, or in fact, at all. Also, I swear I only put it up once...The second time may have been a glitch when I tried to remove it. Also, I have only seen the two screenshots of fake groudon getting blasted by jirachi, so there may be the problem. EDIT: I've just watched the preview, and see how completely wrong I was. [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 06:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset comparison table ==

Is it possible to get a comparison table up to show the differences between the movesets of each Forme? Something like what's on the [[Legendary golems]] and other pages. Just stick it below the other four moveset tables, permanently hidden so it's out of the way. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 20:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I have added one at form differences--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 22:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== Introduction uses "form" ==
Should the introductory paragraph to this article really use the word "form" when it's spelled "Forme" everywhere else in the article? For consistency's sake, I'd really recommend changing it.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 07:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

== Guardian Signs ==

Should the event moves for Deoxys from Guardian Signs (Meteor Mash, Detect) be added?[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 19:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Image ==

Does anyone else think We should have his default form as the main image on his page? Cause I dont think we should have defense form up as it. Thats like putting heat rotom on rotoms page as main piccy.--Dermodio 20:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:There is special coding on the page that rotates the art for Deoxys based on time. You'll see this in other Pokémon pages as well that have different forms or formes. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Eve? ==

Deoxys deeply resembles Eve from the game MOTHER. look- http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/nes/ebz/images/eve.gif

== !?!?! ==

Somebody removed my trivia about deoxis's name being the first part of Deoxyribonucleic acid the chemical name of dna I know that someone has that the forms spell dna (with an s) so if mine was taken out then why wasn't that one?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Deoxys (Pokémon)

2011-02-14T23:13:12Z

Ash0011: /* Trivia */

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'''Deoxys''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''デオキシス''' ''Deoxys'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

Deoxys is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon, but it has four different [[Forme]]s. In [[Generation III]], its form depends on what game is being played. In later Generations, its form can be changed at will in [[Veilstone City]], [[Nacrene City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.

Deoxys is the last Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]] and [[National Pokédex]] within [[Generation III]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
[[Image: Deoxys regenerating.png|thumb|right|225px|Deoxys regenerating]]
Deoxys has four [[Forme]]s, each with a different appearance. The main components that are constant for all four Formes are a dominant reddish orange color, with a bluish-green face and three dots similar in color to its face situated in an upwards pointing equilateral triangle on its back. There is typically a purple stripe on the face where a nose would be and it has a purple crystalline organ in its chest. Its eyes are white and circular inside black eye sockets shaped like rounded parallelograms. In the movie [[M07|Destiny Deoxys]], there is a second Deoxys that has a green crystalline organ and stripe on its face. Other color varieties, if any besides the green and purple varieties, are unknown.

The '''Normal Forme''' has skinny legs that come to a point. The upper-legs have a single, segmented blue stripe that goes down to the knees. It has an orange skin that covers it except for its black, vertically lined abdomen. Its arms are often in the form of two pairs of cord-like tentacles, red and blue, sometimes coiled in a double helix. Deoxys can reform these tentacles into bluish-green humanoid arms with five-fingered hands, with a red "Y" shape running down the arms' entire length. Deoxys also has two trapezoid-shaped "ears" and a short tail. In [[Generation IV]], this Forme is obtained by touching the middle meteorite in [[Veilstone City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.
[[Image:Aurora.png|thumb|225px|The aurora that Deoxys lets off]]

The '''Attack Forme''' has basically the same leg-shape as the Normal Forme, but the stripes are no longer segmented and run down for mostly all of the legs' length, with a large spike on each knee. In place of its arms Deoxys has a pair of whip-like tentacles that come to a point were its hands would be. Deoxys has triangle-shaped "ears" and a single spike on top of its head. Most of the orange "skin" has disappeared to reveal even more of a black, lined inner body, with the lines shown to converge at the crystalline organ. In [[Generation IV]], this Forme is obtained by touching the southeast meteorite in [[Veilstone City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.

The '''Defense Forme''' is bulky and thick; it has wide legs that are somewhat flat at the end and have a bluish-green spot on each of the knees. It has flat, broad tentacles that can't be twisted and hang down to the ground when not defending Deoxys. In addition, Deoxys' head has been fused with its body, resembling a helmet. Its "skin" has thickened and covered all of its body parts for greater defense. In [[Generation IV]], this Forme is obtained by touching the southwest meteorite in [[Veilstone City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.

The '''Speed Forme''' has a sleek gray body. Deoxys only has one tentacle on each side of its body; one red, one blue. The back of Deoxys' head is elongated and comes to a point. It has also lost most of its orange "skin" from its body and has narrow appendages, making it streamlined and aerodynamic. Almost all of its body is shown to be of a black matter, and the lines cover the entire length of its body, from the ends of its legs to its neck. In [[Generation IV]], this Forme is obtained by touching the northernmost meteorite in [[Veilstone City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.

====Gender differences====
Deoxys is a genderless species.

====Special abilities====
[[File:Aurora at Night.png|thumb|right|225px|The aurora at night]]
Deoxys mostly has the ability to change its appearance and stats to suit whatever situation it may be in during battle. Deoxys can also regenerate any part of its body that it may have lost during a battle. It appears that as long as its crystalline organ is intact, it can regenerate its entire body. In the anime, Deoxys took four years to regenerate its whole self after being completely obliterated by Rayquaza.

Deoxys can release an Aurora every time it changes its forme, but releasing an Aurora is not required to change forme. In the Movie ''Destiny Deoxys'', it is shown that Deoxys can create an aurora at will without changing forme, and can communicate with other Deoxys with auroras of different wavelengths.

In the anime and manga, Deoxys is also seen with the ability to create clones of itself. They appear with lifeless eyes, have dulled-down colors, lack of the trademark crystal on the chest and appear to be unable to use other Formes besides Normal Forme. Unlike Normal Forme for a non-clone Deoxys, clones appear to only use its "tentacles" rather than the hands its tentacles can morph into. When these clones are defeated, they dissolve into shiny dust-like particles.

===Behavior===
Deoxys tend to keep to themselves, but befriend humans they trust.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Rare.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rare Pokémon}}]]
Deoxys was a virus of [[Extraterrestrial Pokémon|alien origin]] resting in a stray meteor, and while it flew through the atmosphere, the virus mutated into the first known Deoxys.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=DeoxysSpeedAnime.png|1|5=Deoxys Defense Forme.png|2|4=Deoxys Attack Forme.png|3=Deoxys Origin Forme.png}}|thumb|250px|{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Speed Forme|1|5=Defense Forme|2|4=Attack Forme|3=Normal Forme}} Deoxys in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
{{mov|Deoxys}} first appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''. One with a green crystalline organ fell to earth in a meteorite. A second Deoxys (with a purple crystalline organ) came to [[LaRousse City]] to search for it but ended up in an epic battle with {{p|Rayquaza}}. As {{game|Emerald}} had not been released when the movie was produced, only its {{stat|Defense}}, Normal and {{stat|Attack}} Formes appeared.

Deoxys also appeared in the special episode ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]''. This is where Deoxys's {{stat|Speed}} Forme debuted.

A Deoxys appeared in ''[[DP112|Cheers on Castaways Isle!]]'' in all of its formes.

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==
===In Pokémon Adventures===
{{main|Deoxys (Adventures)}}
Deoxys plays a major role in the events of the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}. During the disaster in the previous chapter, [[Team Rocket]] infiltrated the [[Mossdeep Space Center]] and stole a virus that had been exposed to a laser beam while in space, then ended up attached to a meteorite. In their care, the virus split into two entities and developed into two separate Deoxys, appropriately named Entities 1 and 2. While the leaders of Team Rocket stayed on in [[Hoenn]], other members took the two Deoxys back to Kanto. The team transporting the Deoxys were startled when the Deoxys began to change forme (as Normal and Speed forms had been previously documented) and Entity Two took advantage of this and escaped, accidentally absorbing some of {{adv|Red}}'s blood in the escape. [[Giovanni]] used the weaker Entity One to capture {{adv|Green}}'s parents and [[Professor Oak]]. Red was tricked into battling Entity Two, who defeated him but was captured by Giovanni. Around this time, Team Rocket managed to duplicate the climate of [[Hoenn]] and allowed Deoxys to transform into all of its formes. Giovanni used Entity Two to locate his son, {{adv|Silver}} and set out for [[Viridian City]]. Red came to Giovanni, and challenged him with {{p|Mewtwo}}. Ultimately triumphing due to [[Bill]] shutting down the Hoenn climate machine on [[Chrono Island]], Giovanni revealed that he disposed of Entity One and {{adv|Yellow}} used her abilities to inform Red of his link to Deoxys. When one of the Team Rocket members tried to usurp control, Deoxys transported Giovanni, Silver, Yellow, and Mewtwo out of harm's way before helping Red to regain control of the ship. As the disaster ended and all of the protagonists reunited, [[Sird]] tried to capture Deoxys, but ended up turning the heroes to stone. Entity Two then sped towards a [[Sinnoh|distant region]] in hopes of being allowed to freely transfer between formes and locating Entity One.

===In Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!===
Deoxys plays a large part in a [[DPAS1|Special Chapter]] of Volume 3 in the series. [[Hareta]] and [[Mitsumi]] are in [[Veilstone City]]. They come upon the large meteorite, and Mitsumi proceeds to tell him that there is a Pokémon that comes from a meteorite. He tells her that he's met Deoxys. She freaks out and doesn't believe him, so he tells the story of how he met Deoxys. Hareta is seen jumping around the forest until he starts riding a {{p|Drifloon}}. A {{p|Murkrow}} flies toward them and pecks the Drifloon, causing it to explode. Hareta is seen plummeting to the ground, and then bouncing off a {{p|Bibarel}}'s stomach. He lays down on the ground with the Bibarel as a pillow, when the Bibarel starts getting worried, because it sees the meteorite containing Deoxys zooming to the ground. The Bibarel tries to tell Hareta what's happening, and he looks up and wonders what it is. The Pokémon and Hareta try to get away as the meteorite crashes down. Deoxys emerges from the meteor, and Hareta thinks it might be a Pokémon. Meanwhile, [[Mars]] and some grunts saw the crash, and begin to battle it. It, of course, defeats Team Galactic's puny Pokémon. [[Professor Rowan]] shows up, a little worried that something might've happened to Hareta. He asks Rowan what happened to "that weird Pokémon". They then see Deoxys, and Rowan is shocked to see such a rare Pokémon. It transforms to Attack Forme and fires off what seems to be a {{m|Hyper Beam}} at Hareta and Rowan. Rowan tells Hareta not to make it any madder, but instead he jumps on top of Deoxys and asks it what's wrong. It flings him off, then tries to fire another Hyper Beam at him, but he jumps around it, evading it completely. He jumps on it again, but it transforms to Speed Forme while he is still on it. It starts flying around the forest with Hareta, while he asks Deoxys what's wrong once more. It tells him what's wrong, but it throws him off itself. Then he battles Deoxys with his friends from the forest. {{P|Onix}} tries to {{M|Headbutt}} it, but it misses. It transforms to Defense Forme, and then Hareta jumps on Deoxys and covers its eyes. Then he tells a bunch of {{P|Kricketune}} to have a "super bug concert". Rowan compliments him on the super-effectiveness of the attack, then it transforms back to Normal Forme. It becomes calmer, but transforms to Attack Forme and fires off another Hyper Beam, but it hits a {{P|Drifloon}}. It explodes, defeating Deoxys. Deoxys is totally calm now, and it merges its tentacles to create a hand, and it shakes hands with Hareta. Hareta finishes telling the story to Mitsumi, and tells her that it wanted to find out more about this planet.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Deoxys (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
[[Image:SSBB Deoxys.png|220px|thumb|Deoxys in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.]]
An Attack Forme Deoxys will sometimes be released from a [[Poké Ball]]. It floats gently towards the top of the screen. It will spin gracefully and begin to glow. When fully facing the front, it will cast a powerful {{m|Hyper Beam}}, drawing in all the opponents near it and sending them flying.

====Trophy Information====
''A DNA Pokémon born through the mutation of the DNA of a space virus. It has multiple formes, and the abilities it possesses and the techniques it can remember change from form to form. It has four forms: normal, attack, defense, and speed. It can be made to change forms by using the power of a meteorite in [[Veilstone City]].''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=3
|rubydex=The DNA of a space virus underwent a sudden mutation upon exposure to a laser beam and resulted in Deoxys. The crystalline organ on this Pokémon's chest appears to be its brain.
|sapphiredex=Deoxys emerged from a virus that came from space. It is highly intelligent and wields psychokinetic powers. This Pokémon shoots lasers from the crystalline organ on its chest.
|emeralddex=A Pokémon that mutated from an extraterrestrial virus exposed to a laser beam. Its body is configured for superior agility and speed.
|firereddex=This Deoxys has transformed into its aggressive guise. It can fool enemies by altering its appearance.
|leafgreendex=When it changes form, an aurora appears. It absorbs attacks by altering its cellular structure.
|dpptdex=An alien virus that fell to earth on a meteor underwent a DNA mutation to become this Pokémon.
|hgssdex=DNA from a space virus mutated and became a Pokémon. It appears where auroras are seen.
|bwdex={{tt|いんせきに　ふちゃくしていた　うちゅうウイルスの　ＤＮＡが　へんいして　うまれた　ポケモン。|An alien virus that fell to earth on a meteor underwent a DNA mutation to become this Pokémon.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=3 |
gen3ex=frlg |
erarity=One |
earea=[[Birth Island]] (requires [[AuroraTicket]]) |
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Birth Island]] (requires [[AuroraTicket]]) |
gen4ex=pal |
hgssex=pal |
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
ptarea=[[Pal Park]] |
hgssarea=[[Pal Park]] |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Psychic
|trozei=Random Agent Cards [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Meteor Cave]] (20F)
|md2=[[Shimmer Hill]] (17F) (with [[Mystery Part and Secret Slab|Mystery Part or Secret Slab]] in the bag)
|ranger=[[Krokka Tunnel]] (Event mission 1)
|ranger3=[[Odd Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Flower Zone]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=psychic}}
{{eventAvail|List of 10th Anniversary event Pokémon#Space Center Deoxys|Space Center|United States|2006|70}}
{{eventAvail|Doel Deoxys|Doel Deoxys|The Netherlands|2006|70}}
{{eventAvail|１０ｔｈ Deoxys|１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Japan|2007|50}}
{{eventAvail|GameStop Deoxys|GameStop|United States|2008|50}}
{{eventAvail|Nintendo of Korea Deoxys|Nintendo of Korea|Korea|2008|50}}
{{eventAvail|Oblivia Deoxys|Oblivia Deoxys|United States|2010|50}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=psychic
|event1=NeverMeltIce|event1type=Type-enhancing item|event1rar=100
|event2=Petaya Berry|event2type=Berry|event2rar=50
|event3=Ganlon Berry|event3type=Berry|event3rar=50
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP= 50 |
Attack=150 |
Defense=50 |
SpAtk= 150 |
SpDef= 50 |
Speed= 150 }}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|2|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Attack Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP= 50 |
Attack=180 |
Defense=20 |
SpAtk= 180 |
SpDef= 20 |
Speed= 150 }}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|

=====Defense Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP= 50 |
Attack= 70 |
Defense=160 |
SpAtk= 70 |
SpDef= 160 |
Speed= 90 }}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Speed Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP= 50 |
Attack= 95 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 95 |
SpDef= 90 |
Speed= 180 }}
|}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=4
}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|2|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Attack Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=4
}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Defense Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=3
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Speed Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=2
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=4
}}
|}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 }}

===Learnset===

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/levelh|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|3}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Cosmic Power|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|81|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|89|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|97|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|3}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|2|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Attack Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/levelh|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Cosmic Power|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|81|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|89|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|97|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Defense Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/levelh|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Spikes|Ground|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|81|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|89|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|97|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|97|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Speed Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/levelh|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Psycho Shift|Psychic|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|81|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|89|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|97|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|5}}
|}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM03|Psycho Shock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM19|Telekinesis|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Ankle Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM51|Side Change|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Deoxys|Psychic|Psychic|5|3}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|5|3}}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/eventh|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]] and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|2|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Attack Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/eventh|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]] and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[Ranger Net#Deoxys and the Mysterious Temple|Guardian Signs]]|Meteor Mash|Steel|Physical|100|85|10|Cool|2|||}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1|5=collapsible|expandable}}"
|

=====Defense Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/eventh|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]] and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[Ranger Net#Deoxys and the Mysterious Temple|Guardian Signs]]|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5|Cool|2|||}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|—|20|Tough|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|—|20|Beauty|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Speed Forme=====
|-
|
{{learnlist/eventh|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]] and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Guardian Signs]]|Psycho Boost|Psychic|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]]|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/event4|[[M10|10th Movie]] [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2007#１０ｔｈ Deoxys|Events]] and [[Ranger Net#Deoxys and the Mysterious Temple|Guardian Signs]]|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5|Cool|2|||50}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Deoxys|psychic|psychic|4|3}}
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===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=psychic |
ndex=386 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=no |
Deoxys=yes |
area=Enclosed Island |
NP1=This world is but tiny in the vastness of space... |
NP2=This isn't good... Only half my health remains... |
NP3=I can't keep going this way... Must I flee back to space? |
NPL=I leveled up! Auroras and crystals fill me with power! |
AP1=Let me demonstrate my cosmic-level attack power! |
AP2=This isn't good... Only half my health remains... |
AP3=I can't keep going this way... Was my attack power insufficient? |
APL=I leveled up! Witness the true power of the Attack Form! |
DP1=Let me demonstrate my cosmic-level defense power! |
DP2=This isn't good... Only half my health remains... |
DP3=I can't keep going this way... Was my defensive power insufficient? |
DPL=I leveled up! Witness the true power of the Defense Form! |
SP1=Let me demonstrate my cosmic-level speed! |
SP2=This isn't good... Only half my health remains... |
SP3=I can't keep going this way... Was my speed insufficient? |
SPL=I leveled up! Witness the true power of the Speed Form! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Psychic |
assist=Psychic |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop= 13 (Attack forme) 17 (Defense forme) 3 (Speed forme) 9 (Normal forme) |
MinEXP=470 |
MaxEXP=570 |
browser=Deoxys has the ability to transform four ways. Little is known about it, however. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-10 |
iq=F |
Pad=Deoxys made his way to the PokéPark chasing after a shining Prism Piece. He's a dazzling performer at {{P|Rayquaza}}'s Balloon Panic.
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox/Formes
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|name1=Deoxys
|type1-1=Psychic
|forme1=Normal Forme
|loc1=RS
|sprite2=386A
|forme2=Attack Forme
|loc2=FR
|sprite3=386D
|forme3=Defense Forme
|loc3=LG
|sprite4=386S
|forme4=Speed Forme
|loc4=E}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=3|
gender=4formes|
ndex=386|
name=Deoxys|
forme1=A|
forme2=D|
forme3=S|
}}

==Trivia==
* The Attack Forme of Deoxys has the highest base {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} of any non-glitch Pokémon; although {{p|Marowak}} holding a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Thick Club}} achieves a higher absolute {{stat|Attack}} stat (504 vs. 568, respectively).
** Likewise, the Speed Forme of Deoxys has the highest {{stat|Speed}} of any Pokémon.
** Despite this, Deoxys's Attack Forme has the lowest {{stat|Special Defense}} of all Pokémon, on par with {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Carvanha}}.
***Its Attack Forme has both of the lowest individual stats of any legendary Pokémon.
*It has the lowest HP stat of all legendary Pokémon.
* The Defense Forme of Deoxys has the highest base Defense and Special Defense of any Psychic-type Pokémon.
* All of Deoxys's forms are available in [[Generation IV]]; however, unlike [[Generation III]], they can freely be changed in-game by inspecting the meteorites in [[Veilstone City]] or on {{rt|3|Kanto}}.
* Deoxys is the final Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]], yet it was first found in the wild in a [[Kanto]]-based game. Likewise, the final Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|Kanto Pokédex]], {{p|Mew}}, was first found (legitimately) wild in a {{game3|Emerald|Hoenn-based game}}.
* When recruited in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]] Deoxys will be in its Normal Forme when playing in the overworld; however, when exploring a dungeon, Deoxys's form will be randomly selected each time the player progresses to a new floor.
* Although Deoxys is the last Pokémon in the National Pokédex in the Generation III, it was not the Pokémon with the highest [[index number]]: this was {{p|Chimecho}}.
* In Pokémon Ranger, Deoxys's form changes every time its [[List of Pokémon by Fiore Browser number|Browser]] entry is accessed. It cycles in order from Normal Forme to Attack Forme to Defense Forme to Speed Forme and finally back to Normal Forme.
* Deoxys was the first Pokémon to have its own unique battle music. The second Pokémon to have its own unique music was {{p|Arceus}}, followed by {{p|Giratina}}, the latter in Platinum only, which was then followed by {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} in HeartGold and SoulSilver. All other [[legendary Pokémon]] share battle themes with at least one other.
** However, Suicune, Entei, and Raikou's battle music was done with different instruments; Suicune's uses bells, Entei's uses an electric guitar, and Raikou's is synthesized. This only applies in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* In the {{pkmn|anime}} and in {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}, Deoxys is able to change to any of its forms at will regardless of where it is. While it can willingly change in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, its choices are limited by the environment.
* Deoxys and {{p|Wormadam}} are the only Pokémon to have different EV yields depending on their form and are, as such, the only Pokémon with varying EV yields.
* Using the first letter from the names of three of Deoxys' formes, one can spell "DNA" ('''D'''efense, '''N'''ormal, '''A'''ttack). The letter "s" at the ending of Deoxys's name could stand for '''S'''peed
* Deoxys is the only Pokémon whose form change is triggered by different events between generations.
* Due to the cause of Forme change in Generation III being the game Deoxys is in, ''only'' Speed Forme Deoxys is banned from the {{gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}, as only Speed Forme Deoxys is obtainable in Emerald.
* The Attack Forme and Normal Forme of Deoxys are the only Pokémon in the game that surpass {{p|Arceus}} in more than two base stats. Both Formes surpass it in Attack, Speed, and Special Attack.
* In the games, Hoenn is the only region where all four Formes have not been available, and cannot be changed in-game.
* Although the Ken Sugimori and anime art display Deoxys as being red and blue, prior to Generation V, its in-game sprites are red and green.
*Deoxys's name is the start of '''Deoxy'''ribonucleic acid (the chemical name of Dna) albeit with an extra s.
===Events===
* Because of the results of a poll among fans, Deoxys was given away along with pre-ordered tickets to Japanese theater showings of ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]''. It is holding {{DL|Type-enhancing item|NeverMeltIce}}, a reference to the fact that Deoxys's first appearance in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' is at the north pole.
* A UK event in 2005 known as "The Hunt for Deoxys" was held at Vue cinemas for two days each across the country, where players of FireRed and LeafGreen were able to download the AuroraTicket. Players could also try out {{Pokémon XD}} and {{game|Emerald}}.
* In 2008, Deoxys was distributed in the United States at GameStop locations on June 20-22, and June 27-29. It knows {{m|Psycho Boost}}, {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Iron Defense}}, and {{m|ExtremeSpeed}} and holds a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|NeverMeltIce}}.
* The third Pokémon Ranger game, Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs, has a mission accessible only by event that allows the player to obtain a Deoxys and transfer it to any fourth generation main series game. An unlimited number of Deoxys can be obtained and sent by re-completing the mission, but each save file of the fourth generation game can only receive one of any kind of Guardian sign Deoxys. This can be overcome by restarting the fourth generation game and starting a new save file to send the Deoxys to. The Deoxys will can come with one of two special moves unobtainable for Deoxys by any other means. These are Detect for the Defense forme Deoxys, and Meteor Mash for the Attack forme Deoxys. These two are the hardest types of Deoxys to obtain in the mission. Two Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs games are required to complete the mission wirelessly as well as two DS systems, but only one game needs to have the event downloaded. Only the leader in the mission will obtain the Deoxys to send over if the mission is successful. The mission is rated as 3 1/2 stars difficulty.

===Origin===
Deoxys appears to draw inspiration from certain representations of aliens and visual representations of the DNA double helix.

====Name origin====
Deoxys's name is an abbreviation of ''{{wp|DNA|deoxyribonucleic acid}}'', or DNA, the medium of genetic code in many cellular organisms. It was also mentioned in [[M07|the 7th movie]] that [[Professor Lund]] gave it the name Deoxys.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Deoxys
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Deoxys
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 테오키스 ''Teokis''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 代歐奇希斯 ''Dài Ōu Qí Xī Sī'' - Transliteration of its Japanese name.

==External links==
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==Notes==
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Lugia (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Lugia |
jname=ルギア |
tmname=Lugia |
size=220px |
art=HGSS |
pron=<sc>loo-gi-yah</sc>|
ndex=249 |
oldjdex=247 |
jdex=252 |
hdex=384 |
obrow=301 |
typen=2 |
type1=Psychic |
type2=Flying |
species=Diving |
height-ftin=17'01" |
height-m=5.2 |
weight-lbs=476.2 |
weight-kg=216.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
abilityd=Multiscale |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=120 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=220 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=White |
catchrate=3 |
body=09 |
pokefordex=lugia |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}

'''Lugia''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ルギア''' ''Lugia'') is a dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Flying}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

It is often considered to be closely related to {{p|Ho-Oh}}, even sometimes as its polar opposite. [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver]] represents Lugia as "guardian of the seas", and [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold]] represents Ho-Oh as "guardian of the skies."

Lugia is the [[version mascot]] of {{game3|Gold and Silver|Pokémon Silver|s}} and its remake, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|SoulSilver|s}}, appearing on the boxart of both.

In {{Pokémon XD}}, [[Shadow Lugia]], codenamed '''XD001''', is a main part of the storyline, and [[Cipher]]'s ultimate [[Shadow Pokémon]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Lugia are very large creatures which bear a resemblance to something between a dragon, a plesiosaur, and a bird. They are primarily pale silver-white, but have blue undersides with slightly varying tones. They have a somewhat beak-like, ridged mouths, although they have teeth on their lower jaw. Their head has a point to the back, and Lugia’s eyes have pointed blue or black spikes on them. Lugia have long slender necks and their bodies are smooth and streamlined, with the exception of dark blue or black spike-like protrusions which run down the length of their back, and two smaller ones on the ends of their tails. It has large wings that resemble hands.

====Gender differences====
Lugia is a genderless species. However, unlike most legendary Pokémon, young Lugia have been observed (though only in the anime), suggesting that there is a breeding population of these creatures.

===Special abilities===
Lugia is the leader of the [[legendary birds]]. When the they fight over territory, Lugia is the only Pokémon that can quell their ceaseless fighting, as observed in the second Pokémon movie. Much like the birds, it possesses the ability to control the weather; most notably it can calm and give rise to storms. It is said that a light flutter of their wings is capable of causing winds powerful enough to tear down cliffs. If it were to flap its wings it could hypothetically spawn storms lasting as long as 40 days. It is highly intelligent, and because of the devastating power it could accidentally inflict, it isolates itself deep underwater and tends to sleep in solitude. It can shoot incredibly powerful {{m|Aeroblast|beams}} from its mouth when in danger and is constantly protected from harm inside a deflective sphere of psychic energy. Lugia is also shown to be able to use telepathy, as seen in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', while communicating with Ash.

Lugia is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learns {{m|Aeroblast}}.

===Behavior===
Not very much is known about the behavior of Lugia, as they are fantastically rare and elusive Pokémon. Lugia have been on occassion observed with their offspring, suggesting that unlike other [[legendary Pokémon]], they have a breeding population. However, this is only shown in the anime, and whether or not they can breed in the games is still unknown. They are generally known to be peaceful, protective, calm, modest and benevolent; it is believed the reason they tend to isolate themselves from civilization is to protect humans and other Pokémon from their great powers. However, like all creatures, they can become enraged if they feel threatened, particularly if they are protecting their young. Because of this, contact with Lugia is best done carefully, most attempts at capturing one of these magnificent creatures has ended poorly, and is ill advised as their role in controlling world climate is still not well understood.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Rare.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rare Pokémon}}]]
Lugia usually live very deep on the ocean floor, not because they are natural sea-dwellers, but because they fear that they can accidentally cause untold devastation. Lugia are typically spotted near the [[Whirl Islands]] of Johto and, when disturbed, flying high in the sky.When captured they like to be next to water or listen to it.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
As deep sea dwellers, it is shown that this Pokémon feeds on seaweeds. However, since its appearance seems to be based on a sea dragon or a whale, it is possible that Lugia feeds on small aquatic Pokémon as well.

==In the anime==
[[File:Lugia anime.png‎|thumb|right|250px|Lugia in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Lugia (movie 2)]]====
A Lugia was featured in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', central to the legend of [[Shamouti Island]]. Its psychic powers allow it to communicate with humans.

====[[Silver (Johto)]]====
A parent Lugia and its child (nicknamed Silver by [[Oliver]]) lived near [[Silver Rock Isle]] in the [[Whirl Islands]]. [[Dr. Namba]] attempted to capture both the parent Lugia and Silver for [[Giovanni]] in ''[[EP220|The Mystery is History]]'', ''[[EP221|A Parent Trapped]]''. and ''[[EP222|A Promise is a Promise]]''. It is interesting to note that Ash and Misty (Brock was not along with them) act as if this was their first time seeing a Lugia, as if the second movie never took place. Meowth, as well, said that he'd "never seen a Pokémon like that before!" On the contrary, the dub pays mention of the Lugia that was seen in the Orange Islands, with both James and Ash stating that it was "like" the one they'd seen in the Orange Islands. In both versions, Ash first refers to the baby Lugia as a "mysterious Pokémon."

===Minor appearances===
Lugia had a very brief cameo in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''.

A Lugia also appeared in a [[Team Rocket]] fantasy in ''[[DP143|An Egg Scramble!]]''.

Lugia saved Ash, Misty and Brock from being sucked into a whirlpool in ''[[EP210|Around the Whirlpool]]''.

==In the manga==
The [[Elite Four]] tried to exterminate humans using a Lugia in the {{chap|Yellow}}. The [[Masked Man]] apparently caught Lugia twice (its plucked feather item [[Silver Wing]] is shown under his possession several years ago, only to be stolen by {{Adv|Green}}), but both times it went back to the wild along with {{p|Ho-Oh}}. It was first encountered in {{PAV|7}} as a being of shimmering light (long before most [[Generation II]] Pokémon were known) when [[Lance]] summoned it to aid his schemes of eliminating most of mankind, but it wasn't until much later in {{PAV|12}} that it was properly identified as Lugia. Besides the two, it was also controlled for some time by [[Will]] and [[Karen]] while they were under the Masked Man's jurisdiction.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Lugia (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Lugia figure has been released.

*{{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Lugia|6}}

==Other appearances==
[[Image:SSBB Lugia.png|right|thumb|Lugia in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Lugia will fly up and return in the background where it unleashes a powerful {{m|Aeroblast}} on the stage.

====Melee trophy information====
The waters of the [[Whirl Islands]] are home to this legendary Pokémon, whom very few have seen. Lugia live quietly in the deepest ocean trenches for one very good reason: its combined aerial and psychic powers are so strong as to be extremely dangerous. The special moves of this gargantuan creature include the destructive wind assault known as Aeroblast.

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|type2=flying
|gen=2
|golddex=It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.
|silverdex=It is said to be the guardian of the seas. It is rumored to have been seen on the night of a storm.
|crystaldex=It has an incredible ability to calm raging storms. It is said that Lugia appears when storms start.
|stadium2dex=It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.
|rsdex=Lugia's wings pack devastating power - a light fluttering of its wings can blow apart regular houses. As a result, this Pokémon chooses to live out of sight deep under the sea.
|emeralddex=Lugia is so powerful even a light fluttering of its wings can blow apart houses. As a result, it chooses to live out of sight deep under the sea.
|firereddex=It is said to be the guardian of the seas. It is rumored to have been seen on the night of a storm.
|leafgreendex=It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.
|diamonddex=It slumbers at the bottom of a deep trench. If it flaps its wings, it is said to cause a 40-day storm.
|pearldex=It sleeps in a deep-sea trench. If it flaps its wings, it is said to cause a 40-day storm.
|platinumdex=It slumbers at the bottom of a deep trench. If it flaps its wings, it is said to cause a 40-day storm.
|heartgolddex=It is said that it quietly spends its time deep at the bottom of the sea because its powers are too strong.
|soulsilverdex=It is said to be the guardian of the seas. It is rumored to have been seen on the night of a storm.
|bwdex={{tt|ふかい　かいこうの　そこで　ねむる。ルギアが　はばたくと　４０にち　あらしが　つづくと　いわれている。|It slumbers at the bottom of a deep trench. If it flaps its wings, it is said to cause a 40-day storm.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
type2=flying |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=One |
gsarea=[[Whirl Islands]] (requires [[Silver Wing]]) |
crarity=One |
carea=[[Whirl Islands]] (requires [[Silver Wing]]) |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Navel Rock]] (requires [[MysticTicket]]) |
erarity=One |
earea=[[Navel Rock]] (requires [[MysticTicket]]) |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Citadark Isle]] |
xdshadow=yes |
gen4ex=pal|
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
ptarea=[[Pal Park]] |
hgssrarity=One{{tt|*|Can be rebattled after beating the Elite Four if Lugia was defeated the first time}} |
hgssarea=[[Whirl Islands]] (requires [[Tidal Bell]]{{tt|*|SoulSilver only}} and [[Silver Wing]]) |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=psychic
|type2=flying
|trozei=Random Agent Cards Mr. Who's Den
|md=[[Silver Trench]] (99F)
|md2=[[Surrounded Sea]] (B18F) (with [[Mystery Part and Secret Slab|Mystery Part or Secret Slab]] in the bag)
|ranger3=[[Eastern Sea|Undersea Cavern]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
type2=flying|
HP= 106 |
Attack= 90 |
Defense=130 |
SpAtk= 90 |
SpDef= 154 |
Speed= 110 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
type2=flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 25 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |

notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Weather Ball|Normal|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Aeroblast|Flying|Special|100|95|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Punishment|Dark|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|79|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|93|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|99|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM03|Psycho Shock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM19|Telekinesis|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echo Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM58|Sky Drop|Flying|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Smooth Over|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM06|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Lugia|Psychic|Flying|5|2}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|249Shadow|50|Shadow Blast|Shadow Down|Shadow Shed|Shadow Storm|Psycho Boost|Psychic|FeatherDance|Flying|Earthquake|Ground|Hydro Pump|Water|xd|psychic|flying}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=psychic |
type2=flying |
ndex=249 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=4 |
rate=99.9 |
area=Deep-Sea Current |
P1=My power is with you! |
P2=Hm! Already, my health is in half? |
P3=I'm ready to fall... Who knew my power would fail me? |
PL=My level has risen like my power. |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=4 |
rate2=10 |
iq=F |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Psychic |
assist3=Psychic |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
browser3=It uses water tornadoes and whirlpools to attack.
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=249
|name1=Lugia
|type1-1=Psychic
|type2-1=Flying
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
type2=flying|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=249|
name=Lugia|
}}

==Trivia==
* Lugia is so far the only legendary Pokémon to appear in three consecutive normal episodes of the anime.
* Lugia and {{p|Latias}} are the only legendary Pokémon in the anime to be seen being able to produce offspring.
* Lugia has been the mascot of 3 games, namely: [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Pokemon Silver and Pokemon Soul Silver making him the record holder of most number of time used as a game mascot.
* Before the introduction of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, Lugia was known as "Pokémon X." In the {{pkmn|anime}}, [[Dr. Namba]] also refers to Lugia as "Pokémon X."
* In {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, Lugia, like {{p|Ho-Oh}}, has the same encounter music as normal [[wild Pokémon]]. The same was true for the [[legendary beasts]] before they received unique encounter music in {{v2|Crystal}}. However, Lugia and Ho-Oh got their own unique battle themes in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.
* In the Pokemon Gold sprite, Lugia doesn't have a thumb. This has been corrected in {{v2|Crystal}}.
* Despite having several connections with water, Lugia is not a {{type2|Water}} Pokémon.
** Lugia is the only non-{{type2|Water}} to learn {{m|Hydro Pump}} by level-up, with the exception of {{p|Castform}} who ''can'' be a Water-type.
** Despite not being a Water-type, Lugia has occasionally been depicted as a {{ct|Water}} in the [[Lugia (TCG)|TCG]].
* Lugia was mentioned in the {{wp|And in the End|final episode}} of {{wp|ER (TV series)|ER}}. A patient stated that "I am the Chosen One, I am Lugia."
* Though Lugia is officially genderless like most other legendary Pokémon, it has an unmistakably masculine voice when it speaks through telepathy to Ash in the [[M02|second movie]]. It shares this trait with {{p|Mewtwo}}, as seen primarily in the [[M01|first movie]], {{p|Darkrai}}, as seen in the movie ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and {{p|Arceus}}, as seen in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.
** On a related note, certain episodes show parent Lugia and a younger Lugia, the child. This shows that there is likely a breeding population of Lugia. The only other attempt to have another of a legendary Pokémon was in the case of {{p|Mewtwo}}, as it was created an enhanced clone of Mew.
* Lugia is tied with Ho-Oh for the [[List of Pokémon by base stats|highest base]] {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type2|Flying}}s. This also ties them for the fourth highest Special Defense of all Pokémon.
** Lugia has the second highest Special Defense of all {{type|Psychic}}s, only being beaten by {{p|Deoxys}} in Defense forme.
** Lugia is tied with Ho-Oh and Rayquaza for highest base stat total of all Flying-types. Together with Mewtwo it has the highest base stat total of all Psychic-types.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver versions, when the Kimono girls are summoning the legendary Pokémon, they dance clockwise for Ho-Oh and counter-clockwise for Lugia.
* In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Lugia can learn {{m|Sky Attack}} by leveling up but not from the move tutor.
*Lugia was introduced in a different generation than the legendary bird trio.
**Ho-oh, its opposite, was introduced in the same generation as its trio.
*Lugia is the only non-{{type2|Dragon}} to learn {{m|Dragon Rush}} by level-up.
*In the book adaptation of ''[[M2|The Power of One]]'', Lugia is mistakenly referred to as a {{2t|Water|Flying}} type Pokémon.
*Lugia seems to represent the moon and shares this distinction with {{p|Lunatone}}

===Origin===
Lugia is based on {{wp|Ryūjin}}, a dragon who was the Shinto god of the sea, and lived on the ocean's floor. This can be further evidenced through its shiny form's colors, red and white, which were the colors of the coral in which the palace of {{wp|Ryūgū-jō}} was made of. Appearance-wise, Lugia seems to be based on the {{wp|Stegosaurus}} (back plates and tail spikes) and the {{wp|Plesiosaur}} (long neck and swimming ability). Lugia may also be based on the {{wp|Wyvern}}; a type of dragon that stands on two legs, has wings, a barbed or spiked tail, and usually has a long neck.

====Name origin====
Lugia's name may come from ''{{wp|lutetium}}'', a silverish element, which in turn is named after ''Lutetia'', the Roman name for {{wp|Paris}}, the city of light. Possibly also ''lugeo'', meaning to lie dormant, alluding to the way Lugia lies at the bottom of the sea. The Lu- may come from ''luna'', meaning moon. Lugia's name may be based on the Beluga whale, a white whale of the Arctic Ocean whose white coloration, marine habitat, and body shape are similar to Lugia.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Lugia
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Lugia
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 루기아 ''Lugia''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 洛奇亞 ''Luò Qí Yà'' - Transliteration of its Japanese name.
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Cantonese]]: 利基亞 ''Lei Gei A''

==Related articles==
* [[Shadow Lugia]]
* [[Lugia (movie 2)]]
* [[Silver (Johto)]]

==External links==

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Ho-Oh (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Ho-Oh | prev=Lugia | next=Celebi|type=fire|type2=flying| prevnum=249| nextnum=251}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Ho-Oh |
jname=ホウオウ |
tmname=Houou |
art=HGSS |
size=160px |
pron=<sc>hou-ou</sc> |
ndex=250 |
oldjdex=248 |
jdex=253|
obrow=286 |
typen=2 |
type1=Fire |
type2=Flying |
species=Rainbow |
height-ftin=12'06" |
height-m=3.8 |
weight-lbs=438.7 |
weight-kg=199.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
abilityd=Regenerator |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=120 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=220 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255|
color=Red |
catchrate=3 |
body=09 |
pokefordex=ho-oh |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Ho-Oh''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ホウオウ''' ''Houou'') is a dual-type {{2t|Fire|Flying}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

It is often considered to be closely related to {{p|Lugia}}, even sometimes as its polar opposite. [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver]] represents Lugia as "guardian of the seas", and [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold]] represents Ho-Oh as "guardian of the skies."

Ho-Oh is the [[version mascot]] of {{game3|Gold and Silver|Pokémon Gold|s}} and its remake, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold|s}}, appearing on the boxart of both.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Ho-Oh is a phoenix-like bird with gold and red being its dominant colors. Ho-Oh also resembles a peacock. Ho-Oh has yellow tail-feathers, a white underside, and green feathers at the tip of its wings. Ho-Oh has a green stripe on its neck, a yellow beak, black rings around its red-iris eyes, and a feathered-crest. Ho-Oh's wings are prismatic, causing it to trail a rainbow behind it.

====Gender differences====
Ho-Oh is a genderless species.

====Special abilities====
Ho-Oh's most notable ability is its mythical power to resurrect the dead. Ho-Oh is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learns {{m|Sacred Fire}} and can hold [[Sacred Ash]]. It is said that when it flies its huge wings create bright, colorful rainbows.

===Behavior===
Not much is known about this creature, due to the fact that few trainers have been lucky enough to see it. It has been observed to be territorial at times when its nest is disturbed. It freely flies the world's skies in search of a Trainer with a pure heart.

===Habitat===
[[File:Rare.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rare Pokémon}}]]
Ho-Oh used to perch at the top of [[Bell Tower]] until the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] was destroyed by fire. It now presumably flies through the world's skies.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:HoOh anime.png|250px|thumb|Ho-Oh in the anime]]
According to the {{pkmn|anime}}, Ho-Oh lived in the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] in ancient times. When a war broke out, burning both the Tin Tower and the Brass Tower down, it created {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}}, and all four disappeared. Later, a new Tin Tower was erected, but Ho-Oh since then has never come back for sure. A sacred flame from Ho-Oh burns in the [[Dragon's Den]]; it was obtained during the same war.

===Major appearances===
====[[Ho-Oh (anime)]]====
A Ho-Oh appeared to {{Ash}} at the end of [[EP001|the first episode]], flying across the sky after the thunderstorm. Ash's Pokédex could not identify it. It was the first {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} to be seen, and was seen before most {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}}.

After competing in the [[Silver Conference]], Ash saw Ho-Oh flying towards [[Hoenn]]. This encouraged him to get over his depression at his loss and continue his journey.

Ho-Oh was seen flying into the sunset at the end of ''[[AG178|Battling the Enemy Within]]''. This time, {{an|Brock}}, {{an|May}}, [[Max]], [[Scott]] and {{FB|Pyramid King|Brandon}} saw Ho-Oh as well (on a slightly related note, this time, {{an|May|someone else}} other than Ash managed to identify it first).

===Minor appearances===
Ho-Oh had a cameo appearance during the opening sequence for ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''.

In the [[M08|eighth movie]], [[Mew (movie 8)|Mew]] transforms into Ho-Oh.

Ho-Oh made a small cameo in the introduction of the movies ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP001|Ho-Oh|Ash's Pokédex|There is no data. There still are Pokémon yet to be identified.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Ho-Oh Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px|Ho-Oh in Pokémon Adventures]]
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], Ho-Oh was used by the [[Masked Man]] to kidnap children showing remarkable talent in his scheme to capture {{p|Celebi}}, including {{adv|Green}} and {{adv|Silver}}, six years prior to the start of the entire manga. Prior to the events of the GSC saga, Pryce had lost his control over Ho-Oh, and thus attacked [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] using [[Team Rocket]] to prompt Ho-Oh to return to [[Ecruteak City]]. Ho-Oh was later seen at [[Indigo Plateau]] under Pryce's control, alongside {{p|Lugia}}, wreaking havoc and destruction. It was then lent to [[Karen]] and [[Will]] to fight Green with alongside {{p|Lugia}}, and nearly defeated her [[legendary birds]], but both of them were eventually brought back to their senses and freed.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Ho-Oh (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Ho-Oh figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Ho-Oh|4}}

==Other appearances==
[[File:SSBB Ho-Oh.png|220px|right|thumb|Ho-Oh in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Ho-Oh unleashes a spiral of {{m|Sacred Fire}} that deals massive amounts of damage to any opponent caught in it.

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=fire
|type2=flying
|gen=2
|golddex=Legends claim this Pokémon flies the world's skies continuously on its magnificent seven-colored wings.
|silverdex=A legend says that its body glows in seven colors. A rainbow is said to form behind it when it flies.
|crystaldex=It will reveal itself before a pure-hearted trainer by shining its bright rainbow-colored wings.
|stadium2dex=Legends claim this Pokémon flies the world's skies continuously on its magnificent seven-colored wings.
|rsdex=Ho-Oh's feathers glow in seven colors depending on the angle at which they are struck by light. These feathers are said to bring happiness to the bearers. This Pokémon is said to live at the foot of a rainbow.
|emeralddex=Its feathers--which glow in seven colors depending on the angle at which they are struck by light--are thought to bring joy. It is said to live at the foot of a rainbow.
|firereddex=A legend says that its body glows in seven colors. A rainbow is said to form behind it when it flies.
|leafgreendex=Legends claim this Pokémon flies the world's skies continuously on its magnificent seven-colored wings.
|dpptdex=It possesses seven-colored wings. It is said that those who see Ho-Oh are promised an eternal happiness.
|heartgolddex=Legends claim this Pokémon flies the world's skies continuously on its magnificent seven-colored wings.
|soulsilverdex=A legend says that its body glows in seven colors. A rainbow is said to form behind it when it flies.
|bwdex={{tt|なないろの　つばさを　もつ。ホウオウを　みた　ものは　えいえんの　しあわせが　やくそくされるという。|It possesses seven-colored wings. It is said that those who see Ho-Oh are promised an eternal happiness.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=fire |
type2=flying |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=One |
gsarea=[[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] (requires {{DL|List of key items in Generation II|Rainbow Wing}}) |
crarity=One |
carea=[[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] (requires {{DL|List of key items in Generation II|Rainbow Wing}}) |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Navel Rock]] (requires [[MysticTicket]]) |
erarity=One |
earea=[[Navel Rock]] (requires [[MysticTicket]]) |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Mt. Battle]] |
gen4ex=hgss|
hgssrarity=One{{tt|*|Can be rebattled after beating the Elite Four if Ho-Oh was defeated the first time.}} |
hgssarea=[[Bell Tower]] (requires {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Clear Bell}}{{tt|*|HeartGold only}} and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Rainbow Wing}}) |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=fire
|type2=flying
|trozei=Random Agent Cards [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Mt. Faraway]] (40F)
|md2=[[Mt. Mistral]] (19F){{tt|*|Mystery Part or Secret Slab needed in the bag)}}
|ranger3=[[Rainbow Dais]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Fire|type2=flying}}
{{eventAvail|List of 10th Anniversary event Pokémon#Entei and Ho-Oh|10th Anniversary|Europe|2006|70}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=fire|type2=flying
|gsc1=Sacred Ash|gsc1type=None|gsc1rar=100
|hgss1=Sacred Ash|hgss1type=None|hgss1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=fire|
type2=flying|
HP= 106 |
Attack=130 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk= 110 |
SpDef= 154 |
Speed= 90 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Fire
|type2=Flying
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=fire|
type2=flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 400 |
Bug= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=2}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Weather Ball|Normal|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Brave Bird|Flying|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Sacred Fire|Fire|Physical|100|95|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Punishment|Dark|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|79|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|93|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|99|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echo Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM58|Sky Drop|Flying|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Smooth Over|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Pluck|Flying|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Ho-Oh|Fire|Flying|5|2}}

====Special moves====

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=fire |
type2=flying |
ndex=250 |
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===Evolution===
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==Trivia==
* Aside from the opening theme song, which featured {{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Mew}}, and the [[legendary birds]] of [[Kanto]], Ho-Oh was the first [[legendary Pokémon]] ever seen in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
** Ho-Oh is also the first {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} to be shown in the anime, making it the first sign that the franchise would ever expand beyond 151.
* Ho-Oh's English name is a {{wp|palindrome}}; it shares this distinction with {{p|Eevee}}, {{p|Girafarig}} and {{p|Alomomola}}.
* Ho-Oh is one of the only two [[version mascots]] with a wild held item ([[Sacred Ash]]). The other is {{p|Pikachu}} (with [[Light Ball]] or [[Oran Berry]]).
* Ho-Oh is one of eight Pokémon whose name has a non-alphabetic character in it, the others being {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Farfetch'd}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Porygon-Z}}.
** Ho-Oh is the only legendary Pokémon with a non-alphabetic character in its name.
* Ho-Oh has the highest {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type|Fire}} Pokémon and is tied with {{p|Lugia}} for the highest Special Defense of all {{type|Flying}} Pokémon.
** Ho-Oh has the highest single base stat of all Fire-type Pokémon.
** Ho-Oh is tied with Lugia and {{p|Rayquaza}} for highest base stat total of all Flying-type Pokémon. Tied with {{p|Reshiram}}, it also has the highest base stat total of all Fire-type Pokémon.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, when the [[Kimono Girl]]s are summoning the legendary Pokémon, they dance clockwise for Ho-Oh and counterclockwise for Lugia.
* Ho-Oh is one of four game mascots that shares the first letter of its name with the game it is the mascot of: HeartGold. The other three are {{p|Blastoise}} (Blue), {{p|Dialga}} (Diamond), and {{p|Palkia}} (Pearl).
** Though, this is only true with [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|the remake]], and not [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|the original]].
* Ho-Oh, along with Lugia are the only two legendary version mascots with counterparts that have not had a conflict in the anime.
* Despite Pokédex entries making reference to Ho-Oh's rainbow colored feathers, the colors of Ho-Oh's feathers colors consist of only green, white, red and gold.
* It is indirectly said in a myth in {{5v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} that it created {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}}.
* Ho-oh's dream world ability {{a|Regenerator}} reflects that of an actual Phoenix.
*Ho-oh seems to represent the sun and shares this distinction with {{p|Solrock}}.

===Origin===
Ho-Oh is based on the {{wp|Huma bird}}, a legendary bird that is said to never rest, living its entire life flying continuously, and resurrects itself and others in its own ashes and flames. It is a symbol of fortune and friendship and will bestow happiness to anyone who simply glimpses it. Ho-Oh, like {{p|Moltres}}, is also based on the legend of the {{wp|Phoenix}}; unlike Moltres, it is based more on the {{wp|Fenghuang}}, the immortal phoenix of China. Many cultures view the Phoenix and Huma as symbols of resurrection; this is seen in Ho-Oh, which was reborn rising from [[Sacred Ash|its own ashes]] and had a hand in resurrecting {{p|Suicune}}, {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}. It may also be based on many other {{wp|firebird}}s; some examples are the {{wp|Yatagarasu|Three-legged bird}}, {{wp|Simurgh}}, and the {{wp|Firebird (Slavic folklore)|Ember Bird}}. It also is similar to the rainbow-feathered bird god {{wp|Achiyalabopa}}. Its name suggests it might be based on the Chinese phoenixes, known as hou-ous.

====Name origin====
Its English name is simply another way of transcribing 鳳凰 ''Hōō'', which is the Japanese word for phoenix, specifically the Chinese phoenix, or ''{{wp|Fenghuang|Fènghuáng}}''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Ho-Oh
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ho-Oh
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 칠색조 ''Chilsaekjo'' - Means "Seven-colored bird."
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 鳳王 ''Fèng Wáng'' - "Phoenix King".

==Related articles==
* [[Ho-Oh (anime)]]

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'''Candid Camerupt!''' (Japanese: '''かちぬきファミリー！４VS４！！''' ''{{tt|Kachinuki|Winstrate}} Family! 4 vs 4!'') is the 46th episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, and the 320th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on October 9, 2003 and in the United States on October 9, 2004.

{{spoilers}}

== Synopsis ==
{{Incomplete synopsis}}
{{Ash}}, {{an|May}}, [[Max]], and {{an|Brock}} are walking through a desert and they have just run out of water. {{TP|Ash|Pikachu}} falls down out of exhaustion, and eventually, so does everybody else. A {{p|Camerupt}} walks up and finds them, taking them back to the [[Winstrate family]]. They are sitting at a table and the family is talking to them. Vivi is talking to Max as May smiles. A man meets [[Team Rocket]] out in the desert.

== Major events ==
* Max has his second battle. He wins, though Corphish, borrowed from Ash, does not obey.
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=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
*{{p|Swellow}}
=====TV episode debuts=====
*{{p|Camerupt}}

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|May}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Winstrate family]]
* [[Drew]] (flashback)

=== Pokémon ===
[[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]]: {{p|Nuzleaf}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{op|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{op|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Corphish}} ({{op|Ash|Corphish}})
* {{p|Beautifly}} ({{op|May|Beautifly}})
* {{p|Mudkip}} ({{op|Brock|Mudkip}})
* {{p|Roselia}} ({{op|Drew|Roselia}}; flashback)
* {{p|Camerupt}} ([[Winstrate family|Vicky Winstrate's]]; debut)
* {{p|Zigzagoon}} ([[Winstrate family|Victor Winstrate's]])
* {{p|Roselia}} ([[Winstrate family|Victoria Winstrate's]])
* {{p|Marill}} ([[Winstrate family|Vivi Winstrate's]])
* {{p|Alakazam}} ([[Winstrate family|Vito Winstrate's]])
* {{p|Swellow}} ([[Winstrate family|Vito Winstrate's]]; debut)

== Trivia ==
* The English dub title is based on the television series ''[[wp:|Candid Camera]]''.
* This episode was aired in English exactly one year after the Japanese airdate.

=== Errors ===
* In the [[Trainer's Choice]] portion of this episode, the viewer is asked to pick which of these three Pokémon would be the best choice to battle {{p|Camerupt}}: {{p|Beedrill}}, {{p|Nuzleaf}}, or {{p|Magcargo}}. The answer is revealed as Nuzleaf. While Nuzleaf, as a {{type2|Grass}}, would be effective against Camerupt's {{type2|Ground}}, it would be less effective on Camerupt's primary {{type2|Fire}}, and be at risk of high damage. In truth, none of the Pokémon would be effective battle choices, though Magcargo would suffer the least damage from Camerupt's Fire attacks, due to its {{t|Rock}} and {{type2|Fire}}s, but also has a quadruple weakness against Camerupt's Ground attacks.
* In one shot, one of Ash's thumbs are colored black, like his glove.
*When Brock sends out [[Brock's Mudkip|his Mudkip]] its mouth doesn't move when it says its name.

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'''What You Seed is What You Get''' (Japanese: '''キモリの新技!!スイカ畑のタネマシンガン！''' ''{{tt|Kimori's|Treecko's}} New Technique! Watermelon Field's {{tt|Seed Machine Gun|Bullet Seed}}!'') is the 41st episode of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, and the 315th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on September 4, 2003 and in the United States on September 11, 2004.
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== Synopsis ==

The episode starts with {{Ash}} exiting the [[Pokémon Center]] and {{ashfr|his friends}} soon following after him. [[Max]] asks the name of the next town they are going to. {{an|May}} answers [[Fallarbor Town]], but Max consults his [[PokéNav]] and says the next gym is in [[Lavaridge Town]]. May and Ash momentarily argue on the next destination before Max, by means of checking a map on the PokéNav, comes to the conclusion that the two towns are close to each other. Thus, Max explains they could do both. {{an|Brock}} elaborates with the order, being Fallarbor Town, then Lavaridge.

[[Team Rocket]], while hungrily wandering, happens to find a field of watermelon and start to eat the watermelon, picking one each. {{MTR}} then notices what appears to be an unusually large watermelon before coming to the discovery that it is actually an {{p|Electrode}}. The watermelon-painted Electrode attack Team Rocket, causing them to be blasted into the sky, and the three watermelons they were holding fall down below and are carried down the river.

Down the river, Ash and company have just eaten Brock’s lunch. Max notices something floating down the river, and Brock comes to the conclusion that they are watermelons. Brock procures a watermelon from the river and experimentally taps it before affirming that it is ‘ripe and sweet and juicy inside’. Ash takes the watermelon from Brock and commands Pikachu to use Iron Tail to slice it open. May differs, handing it back to Brock for him to slice it. The company then eats the watermelon, praising its sweetness.

Ash spits out the seeds when eating his watermelon and May proceeds to criticize his manners. May’s reprimanding reminds him of the concept of seed-spitting, and he promptly brings out {{AP|Treecko}} from his [[Poké Ball]]. Ash asks Treecko to try the watermelon, in order to practice {{m|Bullet Seed}} with the watermelon’s seeds. May comes over to Ash and asks about Bullet Seed, and Ash mentions how powerful {{p|Shiftry}}’s Bullet Seed was. Ash demonstrates how to spit the seeds of the watermelon several times. Eventually, a small glowing ball of energy forms in Treecko’s throat, but before Treecko can unleash it as Bullet Seed they are all attacked by a real Bullet Seed.

A {{p|Grovyle}}, the Pokémon who attacked them with the Bullet Seed, appears. Ash brings out his [[Pokédex]] to check information upon it. A {{p|Slugma}} appears at Grovyle’s side, and May checks the Pokédex entry for it in turn. Again Grovyle attacks the group with Bullet Seed, and the group attempts to escape. However Slugma uses Ember upon them, and Ash deduces that they do not intend him and his companions to be going anywhere, and Brock questions why "they would just attack us out of the blue like that." A girl’s voice is heard, commanding the two attacking Pokémon to stop.

A green-haired girl approaches them and accuses them of being watermelon thieves. May and Ash both attempt to explain their situation, but the green-haired girl points to the supposed ‘evidence’, the slices of watermelon on a plate. Spontaneously, the girl bites into one and spits out some seeds in their direction. Passionately, the girl raves on how a watermelon "so sweet, so juicy, so perfectly red and ripe" could only have been grown by Natasha, the ‘Melon Master’. Brock, Ash and May attempt to explain the situation, in which they were unaware the watermelon belonged to anyone. The girl is still accusatory and demands they confess. Again, Ash attempts to explain when the watermelon-painted Electrode appears. May is frightened at what seems to be a giant watermelon rolling around on it own, but Max corrects her and states that it is an Electrode. The green-haired girl points at them, stating that they must be the watermelon thieves that Electrode encountered before. Electrode shakes his head and, realizing her mistake, the green-haired girl is apologetic.

The group forgives her when suddenly she asks how they were. Noting their confusion, she clarifies on her subject being her watermelons on whether they were "the best." The group amiably affirms this statement, and the girl decides to make it up to them by giving them a tour of her watermelon patch.

The green-haired girl introduces herself as [[Natasha]] and the others introduce themselves as well. Natasha leads the others to her field and Natasha tells her Electrode to keep watch for the watermelon fields, and Electrode rolls away. Ash comments that Grovyle’s Bullet Seed attack was really good and Max compliments Slugma’s Ember as well. Natasha thanks their praise, and adds that the three of them have not lost a double battle yet. Ash states that he is skilled also, and made it to the best eight in the Johto League. On this, Natasha challenges Ash to a double-battle match with her Grovyle and Slugma, and Ash eagerly accepts.

Brock is the referee, and states that the match will begin when both Trainers give the okay. Ash and Natasha both say such, and the battle commences. Ash sends out Treecko and {{AP|Corphish}}. May, on the sidelines, asks why Ash would send out Treecko against Grovyle, its own evolved form. Brock deduces that this decision is for Treecko to gain some advanced training. Ash commands Treecko to use {{m|Pound}} against Grovyle, and Corphish to use {{m|BubbleBeam}} on Slugma. Natasha tells Grovyle to dodge and fire a Bullet Seed at the BubbleBeam. Grovyle does so and neutralizes the BubbleBeam. Max comments that Natasha is doing this to protect Slugma, since Slugma is so vulnerable to Water-type attacks.

Natasha commands Grovyle to fire Bullet Seed on Treecko, and Slugma to use {{m|Ember}} on Corphish. Ash counters this by commanding Corphish to use {{m|Harden}} and Treecko to hide behind Corphish. Natasha momentarily compliments Ash’s strategy, and Ash commands that Treecko use {{m|Quick Attack}} on Grovyle and Corphish to hit Slugma with {{m|Crabhammer}}. Natasha counters this by telling Grovyle to dodge and use {{m|Leaf Blade}} on Corphish. Grovyle successfully hits Corphish with Leaf Blade in what seems to be a highly effective strike. Shortly after this attack, Natasha commands Grovyle to use Bullet Seed and for Slugma to use {{m|Flamethrower}}. Equally quickly, Ash counters by commanding Corphish to use Harden and Treecko to be shielded behind Corphish again.

Ash tells Corphish to hang on, as the attack appears to be quite strong on Corphish. After the attack, Corphish appears to be exhausted and breathes heavily. Concerned, Max states that Ash should do something different, for Corphish is taking too much damage from the attacks. May further comments that Natasha’s Pokémon are not taking any damage at all. Concerned, Ash asks if Corphish can still battle. Although tired, Corphish affirms this, and Ash reconsiders Natasha’s strength, seeing why she never lost at double battling.

Team Rocket appears at the watermelon field again alongside Electrode. Meowth has a fantasy involving the usefulness of the watermelon to the boss. Electrode watches their reaction to the fantasy, apparently embarrassed.

Ash commands Treecko to use Harden and Corphish to use BubbleBeam. Natasha commands Grovyle to dodge the attack and use Leaf Blade on Corphish. Natasha then tells Slugma to use {{m|Body Slam}} and for Grovyle to use Bullet Seed. By this command, Grovyle and Slugma rush forward to attack, and again Ash tells Corphish to use Harden and Treecko to be shielded behind Slugma. Slugma jumps into the air and covers Corphish, negating Treecko’s effective protection. With this protection negated, Grovyle leaps into the air and fires Bullet Seed at Treecko. The attack hits, and Treecko is thrown back from the force. Ash asks Treecko if he can still keep going, and, with some exhaustion, Treecko manages to stand. Equally exhausted, Corphish also struggles to stand. Max and May comment with awe on how strong the two of Natasha’s Pokémon are, and Ash exclaims to Natasha that he shall show a combination of his own. Ash commands Treecko to grab a hold of Corphish’s right claw, and after Treecko grabs onto the claw, he commands Corphish to use Crabhammer on Slugma. Corphish launches Treecko from the claw, and Ash commands that Treecko follow it with Quick Attack. Treecko slams into Grovyle, and Corphish hits Slugma with Crabhammer.

Natasha commands Grovyle to use {{m|SolarBeam}}. Ash commands Treecko and Corphish to perform the shield maneuver again, and Grovyle launches SolarBeam. Corphish braces against it, although more exhausted than before. Natasha commands Slugma to use Flamethrower, and Ash commands that Corphish use BubbleBeam. With a small amount of steam momentarily resulting in the air upon collision of the attacks, both move past each other and hit their intended targets. Slugma and Corphish faint from the attacks, and Brock declares that they are unable to battle. Natasha and Ash recall their fainted Pokémon into their Poké Balls when Electrode comes over to Natasha. Natasha asks Electrode, ‘what is it?’, and Electrode tells her. Natasha informs the group that it is the watermelon thieves again and exclaims that she will be back. Ash asks Natasha to wait before telling his companions to follow her.

Team Rocket is in the field, inside a watermelon-picking {{p|Cacnea}} shaped mecha with a basket tied to its back. Natasha, frightened, yells, "What are they doing?" The mecha then confronts the group, Jessie and James on the top beginning the motto. After the motto, the group verbally accuses Team Rocket and they banter momentarily. James pulls a lever inside the Cacnea mecha and the mecha grabs several watermelons and appears to consume it before launching an array of watermelon seeds at the group. Natasha commands Grovyle to use Bullet Seed at them, and Ash tells Treecko that he can learn Bullet Seed by watching Grovyle. Grovyle then launches Bullet Seed at Team Rocket, hitting the mecha.

Meowth pulls a lever and the Cacnea mecha fires an X-shaped tape at Grovyle’s mouth, preventing it from using Bullet Seed. With this occurrence, Ash commands Treecko to use Bullet Seed. At first, Treecko does not succeed, but at Ash’s further encouragement Treecko’s second try hits the rope of the mecha’s watermelon basket, causing the watermelons to fall. Natasha yells for everyone to catch the melons, and the group scurries about in their attempt to do so and manages to catch them. Ash commands Pikachu to use Thunderbolt on Team Rocket, and Pikachu does so, making Team Rocket blast off.

Returning to the battle, Ash commands Treecko to use Bullet Seed. Treecko attempts to perform Bullet Seed again but fails. Natasha commands Grovyle to use Leaf Blade, which Treecko dodges. Ash commands Treecko to use Pound, and Treecko's attack is successful. Natasha commands Grovyle to use Bullet Seed, and Ash counters by telling Treecko to use Quick attack to dodge it. Grovyle is knocked back from the hit. Natasha asks Grovyle to get up, and with a struggle Grovyle does so. Treecko is panting heavily, and Ash notes that Treecko is almost out of energy. Natasha notes that Grovyle does not have enough energy for SolarBeam, thus instead commanding Grovyle to finish with Bullet Seed. Ash retaliates, commanding Treecko to use Bullet Seed also. The Bullet Seeds collide with each other in the air, but suddenly Treecko’s Bullet Seed is depleted and Grovyle’s Bullet Seed overwhelms Treecko. Brock declares that Treecko is unable to battle, and that Natasha wins.

After the battle, Natasha gives watermelon to the others. Natasha asks how the watermelons are, and the group replies to her, affirming its pleasant quality. After Brock’s compliment, Ash notices Treecko, who is sitting away from the others. Ash approaches Treecko and tells them not to feel bad, and that will get Bullet Seed down before Treecko knows it. Ash and Pikachu attempt to cheer Treecko by spraying seeds at the back of Treecko’s head. Treecko, irritated, retaliates by firing a real Bullet Seed attack at them, and the two are knocked backward. Brock comments that all Treecko needed was the right motivation, and Ash, offended, questions why Treecko was motivated to attack him. May responds that what Treecko learned was important, not what the target was. Ash replies, "When the target is your head, it is important." and Treecko turns away, satisfied.

== Major events ==
* [[Ash's Treecko]] learns {{m|Bullet Seed}}.
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=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
*{{p|Grovyle}}

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|May}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Giovanni]] (fantasy)
* [[Natasha]]

=== Pokémon ===
[[Pokémon Trainer’s Choice]]: {{p|Taillow}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Treecko}} ({{OP|Ash|Treecko}})
* {{p|Corphish}} ({{OP|Ash|Corphish}})
* {{p|Electrode}} ([[Natasha]]'s)
* {{p|Grovyle}} ([[Natasha]]'s; debut)
* {{p|Slugma}} ([[Natasha]]'s)
* {{p|Shiftry}} (flashback)

== Trivia ==
*This is the first episode to feature a [[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]].
*The English dub is based on the phrase "''What you see is what you get!''"
*This episode is featured on the ''Volume 12: Treecko'' copy of [[Pokémon All-Stars]].

===[[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]]===
* Question: Trainers, Which Pokémon is the best choice to battle {{p|Poliwrath}}?
* Choices: {{p|Combusken}}, {{p|Mudkip}}, {{p|Taillow}}
* Answer: Ok, trainers! If you chose {{p|Taillow}}, you were right!

=== Errors ===
*While fighting Natasha, Ash tells Treecko to use {{m|Harden}}, however Harden is one of Corphish's attacks, not Treecko's (who is then shown using {{m|Pound}}).
*Slugma is repeatedly told to use {{m|Ember}}, however the attack visibly looks like a {{m|Flamethrower}}, also earlier [[Max]] stated that Slugma has a pretty strong {{m|Ember}} whereas it was clearly {{m|Flamethrower}} shown on screen.
*[[Natasha]]'s {{p|Electrode}} changes its size during the episode, making itself {{pkmn2|giant}}.
*Corphish is seen using [[crabhammer]] before Ash tells it to, when Treecko grabs its claw.

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Talk:Pokémon Trading Card Game

2011-01-23T22:02:18Z

Ash0011: /* weird card */

On the set pages themselves, a card listing would be nice.... =D [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 21:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>That would be nice, but remember that we don't know yet how we're going to list the cards in the first place. Should we list them by individual card - so that all the say, different Pikachu cards have their own pages? If we do that, how do we differentiate them in the title? Level? That works for the earlier sets, but Level isn't listed on newer ones. Do we do it by expansion? What about Pokemon who have multiple cards within the same expansion, such as Houndour? It's a very complicated thing, and I wish someone would make a final decision on it. - Zeta

>I figure, for the English sets at least, why not use the numbering system used there? Like Base Alakazam is 1/102... [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 01:06, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>>I'm thinking NAME (SET) (number). And the (number) part would only be if it's needed. For example, if there's a Wingull in the Wingulpwnz set, the page name would be "Wingull (Wingulpwnz)". If there are two Hoppip in the same set, though, they would be named "Hoppip (Wingulpwnz) (40)" and "Hoppip (Wingulpwnz) (41)", with "Hoppip (Wingulpwnz)" being a disambig. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:04, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Naming System ==

I think the naming system should be NAME (SETNUM)

*NAME is the name of the Pokémon
*SET is the 2 letter / 3 letter abbrivation of the set
*NUM is the card number, e.g. 4/102 = 004

Examples
*Alakazam (BS001)
*Blastoise (BS002)
*Chansey (BS003)
*Charizard (BS004)
*Clefairy (BS005)
*Gyarados (BS006)

[[User:Plau|Plau]]

:Disagree. The numbering is superfluous for the early set - and causes problems with cards with holo/non-holo numbers. Format should be: <sc>title</sc> (<sc>set name</sc>) or <sc>title</sc> (<sc>set name</sc> <sc>number</sc>), without zero-padding for the number.

:Then - there is the matter of page layout. While making it look like a card is very interesting, it leaves a lot to be desired. There is no content left for the main text area, and not all the information is visible at a glance. Set it out as an infobox, with all the important information in the box, and all the extra information - flavour text and such - in the main article text. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 06:20, 13 February 2006 (CST)

:After looking at those newer sets purported to have many repeated cards - I find that they are not as common as some have led me to believe - therefore, as previously suggested, only repeated cards need a number specified. Also, someone tell me that those half-deck halves don't actually give each energy card a unique number. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:14, 13 February 2006 (CST)

::Go ahead, can you please help set up the infobox, because i don't know that, and ill enter the rest of the info. If so, can you be ''kind'' enough to edit Template:TCGInfobox - [[User:plau|plau]]

I vote that the card naming system be: NAME (SET) [OTHER] - NAME and SET are obvious. OTHER should only be used if there are two cards of the same name in the same set. You can use card number, level, #1/#2/#n, or nicknames. - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 03:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
:You might want to check out the [[Bulbapedia talk:Project TCG|Project TCGDex talk page]]. The discussion's been moved there.

== Unclassified promos ==

[[Arcanine (Toyota promo)]] doesn't fall under any of the current promo categories. I believe this might be a problem. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]]

== Named Pokémon ==

In the ''Types of Cards'' list, does Named Pokémon mean Owner's Pokémon, ______'s Pokémon, or both? -[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]]

==Rarity==
This article, lovely as it is, seems to focus overly much on the cards in relation to organized play. There seems to be a complete lack of information here on rarity, collecting, and marketing. If someone could, please expand to include information on the rarity system (common, uncommon, rare, rare holo, etc) explain such anomalies as Pokémon EX and reverse-holos, "secret" cards, the odds of finding a given rarity/given card, numbers of cards in packs, stuff like that. I would expand the article myself, but then, if I HAD this information, I wouldn't be asking. Cheers. [[User:Din's Fire 997|Din's Fire 997]] 06:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Very true. The {{wp|Pokémon Trading Card Game}} page over at Wikipedia is much more in-depth, and an example of what this page needs to be. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 16:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon VS Discrepancy==
Due to Pokémon VS, there is a conflict concerning what appears to be every single evolved Pokémon in the set: They are all basic Pokémon in VS. What this means is that each page that declares "All *** cards are Stage # Pokémon." referring to Pokémon in said set is technically incorrect. I already modified [[Charizard (TCG)|Charizard]] and [[Blastoise (TCG)|Blastoise]] to align with this, but since the scope of this seems to be a relatively large, I decided I should mention it here. Should that line simply be removed like I already did, changed to "Most" instead of "All", or should it simply be ignored? ~ [[User:Zeofar|Zeofar]] 08:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:I'd remove it, personally, but wait and see what other TCG editors think. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 09:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::The lines at the top talk about what is normal for each Pokémon. Since the text is for what is normal, it doesn't go by what the VS set says, because the VS set isn't one of the main sets. They should not be changed. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Pokémon-Star says hi. They're not evolved. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 16:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Neither are the movie half deck cards. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Rules? ==

Would it be a good idea to explain how to play the Pokémon TCG somewhere in the article, or maybe make a new page called "How to play the Pokémon Trading Card Game"? I know how to play so I could help with this if anyone is interested. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:Most of the things are on [[Glossary (TCG)|this page]], If we want more, I'll have to think about it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== What went wrong with the WoTC picture? ==

It's way too big.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 23:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's odd...It's not letting me resize it, and when I preview it, it's eating the navbar...--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe just an error.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 23:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sub-Set/Mini-Set Expansions? ==

Curious as to where "[[Lost Link (TCG)]]" would fit into this page along with the others of this same set-type?

== Levels of Pokémon ==

At the bottom of the cards (in the Pokédex data) there is a level of the Pokémon. Should this be included as and extra row in the table?--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 15:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:Only on about half the cards. What table are you talking about? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== weird card ==

I found a strange card while surfing the web (follow the link) [http://www.misterorange.com/pokemon.jpg]--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 02:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
: Chances are that it isn't real. There are plenty of sites that display fake Pokemon cards. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Chance are??? It took me 0.000001 seconds to see it is a fake. Look at the ridiculous stats and descriptions - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 05:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::And lol in bottom right of the picture - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 05:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::oooh I thought it was like the shadow [[lugia]] card--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Nintendo 3DS

2011-01-23T21:59:49Z

Ash0011: /* Countdown */

==Should we delete this?==

This is a "community-driven POKÉMON Encyclopedia." What on earth does the 3DS have to do with Pokémon? There are no Pokémon-related games on the 3DS. I understand that it is made by [[Nintendo]], but by that logic, we should have articles for the Game & Watch, NES, SNES, and Virtual Boy. The Virtual Boy is especially noteworthy because it is a portable system, so a Pokémon release was highly likely before it was retired. Especially with the 3DS attempting to use 3D effects like the Virtual Boy did, it is likely that the 3DS will be retired quickly as well with no Pokémon titles. I am in favor of deleting this until a Pokémon-related game is announced. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] 14:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Don't be silly. =P--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 16:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
: There already is a 3DS Pokemon game announced, it's that game that teaches Japanese people to type using "English." Besides I honestly doubt the 3DS will be a complete failure like the Virtual Boy was. The 3DS will be here to stay and there will be other Pokemon games. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::Additionally (and this should probably be mentioned in the article), early reports on what was then only known as the successor to the DS specifically mentioned The Pokémon Company as having gotten special priority in receiving the software development kit for the 3DS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::Dman, I'm pretty sure ''Battle & Get! Pokémon Typing DS!'' is for the DS line, not 3DS. But yeah, consoles these days don't fail like they did back then.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 16:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::: Well that's just confusing then, I mean Serebii says at Nintendo's Conference regarding the 3DS a new Pokemon DS game was announced. I guess at the time I figured it was for the 3DS since it made sense, but now that I think about it and reread it, probably not, considering it comes packaged with a Keyboard (which will most likely utilize the GBA slot in some fashion). I guess I got mixed up, and maybe I was a little too hopeful there would be a 3DS Pokemon Game sooner rather than later. My other point stands though as does AndyPKMN's point. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::::The new Pokémon Typing Game can be played on the original DS/Lite/DSi/XL. {{unsigned|GoldenSandslash15}}
:::::It is also noteable that the old ds games can be played on the 3ds {{unsigned|Ash0011}}

== Countdown ==

Is it possible that we could put a countdown for the 3ds--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's possible, but not needed. The 3DS is not strictly Pokémon related, and there aren't even any 3-D Pokémon games announced for it right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::yes but it will be compatible with old ds games.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2011-01-23T21:57:34Z

Ash0011: /* Noteable? */

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2011-01-23T21:57:15Z

Ash0011: /* Noteable? */

Nowhere on here does it say that Chansey evolves into Blissey. I don't know where that would go, though. [[User:Dan|Dan]] 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Someone was adding the evolution information for different Pokémon to each article - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]], I think. However, come to think of it, I don't think I've seen him add any more in a while, and there's still articles missing that information... if you'd like to contribute, go ahead, just make sure you follow the style that's been established (use the [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Evolution|Bulbasaur]] article as a reference). --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

== Koala? ==
Does anyone besides me think that Chansey is based of a {{wp|Koala}}??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see no resemblence between Chansey and a Koala. None at all. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then. Well, don't you see the remeblence in the ears of the koala and the little fluffs of hair on Chansey???? The biggest similarity that I see is that they're both rounded in shape and have pouches. --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

i also see no remeblences. Dakclaw http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/c/ce/Trozeiani257.gif

I think it's just based on an egg, but they've enhanced it [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 16:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu? ==

«''Chansey is one of six Pokémon that initially did not evolve into or from another Pokémon, but now is part of a three-stage evolutionary line (the other five being Electabuzz, Magmar, Porygon, Roselia and '''Pikachu''').''»

{{p|Pikachu}} in [[Generation I]] evolves in {{p|Raichu}}! --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Is it too late? ==

I was wondering if there was a way that my chansey could learn softboiled. I didn't evolve my happiny to chansey until it was level 24, due to my leaving exp. share on it and not paying attention. So basically I want to know if my chansey will lean softboiled, or will I have to try and catch a chansey with it already?
:You could probably go to the move relearner with a heart scal. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)I
:Thank you very much. I haven't played Pokémon since Red so I wasn't too sure what I could do.

==Pt. Rarity==

Is current;y listed as '???'....asplain plz [[User:Flyingemus|Flyingemus]] 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:That means we don't know the rarity yet. i.e. someone has found them in certain routes, but no-one actually knows the rarity yet. Or if they do, it has been overlooked. Based on my encounters in game, I would say that it would either be rare or uncommon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 04:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

There is an image of two Chansey in the anime section, namely "File:EP002 008.jpg". That image has been moved to [[a:File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg|File:Pokémon Center Chansey.jpg]], please change the link so that the redirect at the original filename can be deleted from the Archives. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 09:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS ==
This article is incomplete.
It doesnt say what items it holds in HG/ss {{unsigned|Fishmonk}}

== Lucky Punch ==

So the [[Chansey (Pokémon)]] page says that in Generation I games, Chansey had a 100% chance to be found holding a [[Lucky Punch]]. If you click on the link [which redirects to [[Stat-enhancing item]]], it says the Lucky Punch was introduced in Generation II. One of these cannot be correct. But which one? [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 02:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're both correct, actually. If you trade over a Chansey from RBY, it'll always be holding a Lucky Punch.
:... or so I hear. :V Anyone want to try that out to double-check? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Noteable? ==

is it noteable that chansey's shiny sprite is possiby a refrence to green eggs and ham?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
is it also worth mentioning that this is one of the few pokemon who's evolution cycle spans 3 generations (gains an evolution in 3 different gen)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Chansey (Pokémon)

2011-01-23T21:53:43Z

Ash0011: /* Noteable? */ new section

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-01-23T21:33:45Z

Ash0011: /* Arachnoid */

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-01-23T20:28:31Z

Ash0011: /* "Resembles" */

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-01-23T20:27:09Z

Ash0011: /* Turtle */

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)