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ArtistKyurem: /* Eon As a Mistranslation of Mugen */

== Fanon ==

'''''Lati@s''' is a popular fanon term'' 
'''''Fanon''' is an unconfirmed belief held by fans of a series.'' 
How can such a term be fanon? - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 04:32, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>Erm, because the game never revers to them as Lati@s? That's what I assumed, anyways. It's a name made for them by the fans. - Zeta {{unsigned|Zeta}}

If it's a term made up by fans, how is it an "unconfirmed belief"? - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 05:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>My point is that it's a fan creation, something that is usually associated fanon. And I guess you could say that it's "unconfirmed" because it's not official terminology. I don't know how you'd define it as a belief though. - Zeta {{unsigned|Zeta}}

== Move ==

I agree with SnorlaxMoster. Move it to {{redlink|Eon duo}}, its more formal and looks better than Lati@s. Anyone agree? Disagree? Opinions? [[User:Takharii|'''~た''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''かは''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''りい''']] 09:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I prefer something like "Legendary eons" really. I never really liked using trio, etc. for the legendaries. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 10:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::"Legendary eons" just sounds weird; they're not "eons", they're the eon Pokémon. In some cases I agree that Trio, Duo, etc. don't work too well (such as with the Musketeer Trio/Quartet), but in this case I think Eon Duo would be an appropriate page title. Lati@s ought to just be a trivia note. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Considering the general gist is that almost all "titles" we stick the legendaries under are fanon, Lati@s is highly appropriate. The fact it doesn't look nice or symmetrical with the rest should not be a factor, simple because these names are what '''people call them''' on a daily basis. No one calls them the "legendary eons", and "Eon duo" is grossly less used than Lati@s (1,600 google returns vs 7,000,000+). They are Lati@s to the fandom. I do not approve of a move simply to sate a more "official look". [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
: The [[Legendary group|Legendary duo]] page lists them as the Eon Duo. And by your logic, why do we use Legendary Beasts (~2,800,000 Google results) when Legendary Dogs has far more results (~12,000,000). We've moved these sorts of pages based on what makes more sense before (such as with the horribly named "Raijin Trio") and I don't see why we couldn't do so here as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, Legendary Dogs has 172,000 return hits and Legendary Beasts has 240,000 hits on Google (Beasts win). Quotation marks = more accurate searches. The Kami trio was also in its infancy (hell, I was there), and any of the terms flying around were in short use so we could basically do what we wanted; same goes for the Taos/Musketeers. But going to change terminology that's been in play since, what 2004? Seven years? That's like renaming Smogon's tier system. And "Lati@s" is no footnote or trivia bit, either. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::My bad; can't believe I forgot quotation marks. Nonetheless, I think Eon duo would be a better name for the page, and I do think that professionalism should take priority over popularity in a case like this. But obviously I'm in the minority, and I'm willing to accept that. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::"Lati@s" is just as professional and encyclopedic as "Eon duo" by all technical accounts, given how both are not official terms in the slightest. Just because one has an @ symbol and isn't as uniform next to the other legendary blanket terms we (as a fandom) allotted doesn't mean we should change it, otherwise we'd say "screw canon" and change Lake Guardians back to "lake/pixie/whathaveyou trio" to command uniformity. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Eon Duo sounds a lot better than Lati@s, How do you even say "Lati@s" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 21:57, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I have to agree with [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth Seeker]] on pronounciation; how do you even say that? Anyway, I have to vote to keep it where it is, because even with a redirect it would be more considerate towards the Pokémon fanbase in general to use Lati@s, because people are familiar with it. I think it would help Bulbapedia's popularity/hits/PageRank/whatever people rate websites with nowadays in regards to search engine data, cleanliness, and basically because it's the one used '''most'''. Why move the entire page just because of a silly little "@" sign that we see in our e-mail programs every day? '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 22:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::::"Latias and Latios" got 1,040,000 results on Google, while "Lati@s" got 14,600,000 results. Unless I can't read right, "Lati@s" wins. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Neither is an official name, so it's not like we're forgoing an official name for the "more common" one (that's silly). I figure we should leave it where it is... we could always make a redirect for "Eon duo", even though i know no one who calls them that. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I have always called them either the Eon Duo or just {{p|Latias}} and/or {{p|Latios}}. Execpt here, I have never called them "Lati@s" --[[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::To me, Lati@s means "Latias and/or Latios", while eon duo means "Latias and Latios". This is how I have always seen the terms used as well. Ignoring the fact that Lati@s is essentially a contraction and therefore informal, it is much more logical to name them consistently with all of the other legendary groups. Eon duo is much more common when discussing Latios and Latias in comparison to other legendary groups. It is very rare, as well as strange, to find someone talk about "The Lunar duo and Lati@s". Lati@s is generally used for discussing the pair competitively, since "and/or" is generally what is desired here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::Lati@s is the stupidest thing I've ever read, pardon my French. I agree fully with SM's points, and I don't believe that fan terms should gain such purchase as exists here. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 07:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Stepping in to point out that Lati@s is as much a fan term as is "Eon duo" and still used much more extensively, so yeah, you're rooting for one fan term over another. (I also don't like the idea of us deciding to change popular terminology to more uniform terminology just because it simply ''is'' more uniform. As much as we can control what future groups are termed, I don't think we should even remotely try to bend older terms to our authority.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::And I would like to mention that the first time I was looking for this page, I searched for ''Eon Duo'', not ''Lati@s''. I would also like to say that Eon Duo looks alot more professernel than Lati@s. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 12:47, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks for all the suggestions, it has been moved to "Eon duo". Have a nice day everyone. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 05:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

== Worth noting Mega forms?? ==

since knowledge+access to the lati's mega stones is now widespred (thanks to action replay codes), i think its time that we pull our heads out of the ground and aknowledge the existance of their mega evolutions(with notes stating they havent been reveald officially by Nintendo yet) [[User:Relicant/Note Pad#strike three - jet plane dragon birds chapter|i've done minor modifications of latios+latias's article intro text and worked out their bst.]] --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:hey, who remembers that time when instead of creating articles for pokemon like {{p|Genesect}}, who were at the time only obtainable via ar codes but were widely known about, we instead swept them under the rug and pretended they didnt exist?

:^ this is pretty much the vibe i'm gettin g from the fact that the main article for the eon duo was protected but nobody bothered to answer here with a good reason why.--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::Sorry Relicant, Mega Eon duo has not revealed by Nintendo yet, we have to wait as soon as possible as we don't want to cheat/hack. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect all had articles up at a time where the only way to obtain them was by hacking/cheating or, in the case of Darkrai and Shaymin, glitches. We have enough proof that Mega Latias and Mega Latios are real, there's several videos of people using said megas on youtube. so no 123, we dont need to wait for Nintendo to reveal them. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::::So the Mega Eon duo are real Relicant and are revealed without Nintendo? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:::::feast your eyes: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0]

:::::vid of the mega eons. Still i dont want to updtr Latias' and Latios' articles with the fact they have hidden megas becaus e the admins would get mad.--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 00:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::So these Mega Evolutions of the Eon duo are hidden right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 00:08, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:::::::At the moment, the only way of obtaining the Mega eon duo stones is with action replay. so yes. According to a later post by the uploader, the Mega Lati's Mega Stones cannot be traded, which may or may not be a byproduc t of not being generated legitimately (aka they didnt come from an event). --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 00:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Did the people that uploaded those videos hacked/used a cheatcodes themselves? No. They all got it from one source. And as you know, one source is not enough. It's not the number of video evidence that we're taking into account, we're taking into account '''where'' they got these from, and right know, I'm going to assume they all got it from the same source and did not cheat/hack the games themselves to find out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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Honestly, the way I see it, with Diancie actually being revealed, it's only a matter of time until CoroCoro or another official source puts out info on these (along with those other two legends), but until then, these topics really have to stop popping up. People are way too impatient on this front. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 03:38,2/22/2014 (UTC)

:As the one who blocked the page, I did actually write a response but it did not send through, my apologies. See Force Fire's message below though. Pretty much though until we can personally get them into the games ourselves, it won't be happening. We don't all want another Mew under the truck scenario. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 05:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:: the guy in the vid mentioned he used a powersave to obtain the eon's mega stones. people have been using powersaves to obtain the mega stones.

::and what is with this stupidly hypocritical "wait for official reveal" nonsense, may i add? we had articles for {{p|Arceus}} at a time where we weren't even sure it was in the games code(and then ar codes happend)! if adding info about the mega eon duo and creatin (prelimenary) pages for Hoopa and Volcanion is being impatient, then what makes whomever created arrticles for {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Shaymin}}, Arceus, {{p|Keldeo}}, {{p|Meloetta}} and Genesect long before their official reveal? the mega eon duo is not a Mew under the truck, we have concrete evidence it exists. time for all of you to pull your heads out of the ground. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 08:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::That was then. This is now. I don't actually know the circumstance behind the creations of those page, but times are different and the staff was different from then and thus decisions from those time will not affect our decisions in the future. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::I haven't actually seen a staff member say "wait for official reveal" anywhere. I'm pretty sure we can add information of them as soon as a reliable Bulbapedian is able obtain them.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::I agree with you here, Dennou. If any reliable Bulbapedians are reading this, please order a powersave, give these guys the proof they need, and let's end this pointless argument once and for all. --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::At this point plenty of people have access to the Lati Mega Stones (not BP staff that I know of, but plenty of trustworthy people). I am completely confident that they exist (in fact, I even know that Latiasite is index 684 and Latiosite is index 685). I am not entirely sure what we are waiting on. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

::The Mega articles have info about the Mega eon duo. only thing to do is add info to the eon duo page and both of the lati twin's respective articles. i cant do it because all three were locked. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 10:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Should we ask a Staff member for permission to edit the other pages?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

could a staff member perhaps unlock pages relating to the eon duo? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 19:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

== In the anime/manga? ==

There should be a section called "In the anime" and "In the manga - In the Pokemon Adventures". I am not sure why that's missing... [[User:Mwthorn|Mwthorn]] ([[User talk:Mwthorn|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
:The pages of Latias and Latios respectively already list this. No need to repeat it here. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:53, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
::So shouldn't it be put in the anime section of the article?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Sorry wrong section :)--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias Appearances ==

Didn't both of them appear in Hoopa and the Clash of Ages?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 15:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:Yes both Legendary Pokémon appeared in the movie.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)\
::So shouldn't it be put in the anime section of the article?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Move ==

I'd like to reopen the proposal to move this article to '''Eon Pokémon''', the unique category of Latias and Latios, which is the closest we have to an official term that refers specifically and exclusively to these two Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 16:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:I agree, its better to have an offical name like that is close and Eon Pokémon is a good name chocie like the case with Paradox and Ultra Beasts.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 16:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

== Eon As a Mistranslation of Mugen ==

I think it would be worthwhile to note that their English Pokedex category of "Eon Pokemon" and the names that derive from that like the Eon Ticket are actually mistranslations. They interpreted むげん mugen to be the term 無限 which means infinity and eternity (It's the term Eternatus (Mugendaina) is named after in Jp). They chose to emphasize the eternity part and translated it as Eon, which means a very long time. But their classification of むげん mugen is actually referring to the term 夢幻 which means dreams, fantasies, visions, illusions, etc. They are Dream Pokemon because of their psychic abilities to share their thoughts and feelings as stated in their Pokedex entries. This is also why they appear in the Dreamyard in Black 2/White 2 and why Latios talks about dreams in its Mystery Dungeon quotes.
I'm not very sure how to approach adding this information to the page however, so I'll just leave this information here. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 09:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Eon duo

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ArtistKyurem: /* Eon As a Mistranslation of Mugen */ new section

== Fanon ==

'''''Lati@s''' is a popular fanon term'' 
'''''Fanon''' is an unconfirmed belief held by fans of a series.'' 
How can such a term be fanon? - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 04:32, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>Erm, because the game never revers to them as Lati@s? That's what I assumed, anyways. It's a name made for them by the fans. - Zeta {{unsigned|Zeta}}

If it's a term made up by fans, how is it an "unconfirmed belief"? - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 05:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>My point is that it's a fan creation, something that is usually associated fanon. And I guess you could say that it's "unconfirmed" because it's not official terminology. I don't know how you'd define it as a belief though. - Zeta {{unsigned|Zeta}}

== Move ==

I agree with SnorlaxMoster. Move it to {{redlink|Eon duo}}, its more formal and looks better than Lati@s. Anyone agree? Disagree? Opinions? [[User:Takharii|'''~た''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''かは''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''りい''']] 09:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I prefer something like "Legendary eons" really. I never really liked using trio, etc. for the legendaries. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 10:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::"Legendary eons" just sounds weird; they're not "eons", they're the eon Pokémon. In some cases I agree that Trio, Duo, etc. don't work too well (such as with the Musketeer Trio/Quartet), but in this case I think Eon Duo would be an appropriate page title. Lati@s ought to just be a trivia note. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Considering the general gist is that almost all "titles" we stick the legendaries under are fanon, Lati@s is highly appropriate. The fact it doesn't look nice or symmetrical with the rest should not be a factor, simple because these names are what '''people call them''' on a daily basis. No one calls them the "legendary eons", and "Eon duo" is grossly less used than Lati@s (1,600 google returns vs 7,000,000+). They are Lati@s to the fandom. I do not approve of a move simply to sate a more "official look". [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
: The [[Legendary group|Legendary duo]] page lists them as the Eon Duo. And by your logic, why do we use Legendary Beasts (~2,800,000 Google results) when Legendary Dogs has far more results (~12,000,000). We've moved these sorts of pages based on what makes more sense before (such as with the horribly named "Raijin Trio") and I don't see why we couldn't do so here as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, Legendary Dogs has 172,000 return hits and Legendary Beasts has 240,000 hits on Google (Beasts win). Quotation marks = more accurate searches. The Kami trio was also in its infancy (hell, I was there), and any of the terms flying around were in short use so we could basically do what we wanted; same goes for the Taos/Musketeers. But going to change terminology that's been in play since, what 2004? Seven years? That's like renaming Smogon's tier system. And "Lati@s" is no footnote or trivia bit, either. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::My bad; can't believe I forgot quotation marks. Nonetheless, I think Eon duo would be a better name for the page, and I do think that professionalism should take priority over popularity in a case like this. But obviously I'm in the minority, and I'm willing to accept that. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::"Lati@s" is just as professional and encyclopedic as "Eon duo" by all technical accounts, given how both are not official terms in the slightest. Just because one has an @ symbol and isn't as uniform next to the other legendary blanket terms we (as a fandom) allotted doesn't mean we should change it, otherwise we'd say "screw canon" and change Lake Guardians back to "lake/pixie/whathaveyou trio" to command uniformity. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Eon Duo sounds a lot better than Lati@s, How do you even say "Lati@s" [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 21:57, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I have to agree with [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth Seeker]] on pronounciation; how do you even say that? Anyway, I have to vote to keep it where it is, because even with a redirect it would be more considerate towards the Pokémon fanbase in general to use Lati@s, because people are familiar with it. I think it would help Bulbapedia's popularity/hits/PageRank/whatever people rate websites with nowadays in regards to search engine data, cleanliness, and basically because it's the one used '''most'''. Why move the entire page just because of a silly little "@" sign that we see in our e-mail programs every day? '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 22:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::::"Latias and Latios" got 1,040,000 results on Google, while "Lati@s" got 14,600,000 results. Unless I can't read right, "Lati@s" wins. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Neither is an official name, so it's not like we're forgoing an official name for the "more common" one (that's silly). I figure we should leave it where it is... we could always make a redirect for "Eon duo", even though i know no one who calls them that. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I have always called them either the Eon Duo or just {{p|Latias}} and/or {{p|Latios}}. Execpt here, I have never called them "Lati@s" --[[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::To me, Lati@s means "Latias and/or Latios", while eon duo means "Latias and Latios". This is how I have always seen the terms used as well. Ignoring the fact that Lati@s is essentially a contraction and therefore informal, it is much more logical to name them consistently with all of the other legendary groups. Eon duo is much more common when discussing Latios and Latias in comparison to other legendary groups. It is very rare, as well as strange, to find someone talk about "The Lunar duo and Lati@s". Lati@s is generally used for discussing the pair competitively, since "and/or" is generally what is desired here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::Lati@s is the stupidest thing I've ever read, pardon my French. I agree fully with SM's points, and I don't believe that fan terms should gain such purchase as exists here. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 07:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Stepping in to point out that Lati@s is as much a fan term as is "Eon duo" and still used much more extensively, so yeah, you're rooting for one fan term over another. (I also don't like the idea of us deciding to change popular terminology to more uniform terminology just because it simply ''is'' more uniform. As much as we can control what future groups are termed, I don't think we should even remotely try to bend older terms to our authority.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::And I would like to mention that the first time I was looking for this page, I searched for ''Eon Duo'', not ''Lati@s''. I would also like to say that Eon Duo looks alot more professernel than Lati@s. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 12:47, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks for all the suggestions, it has been moved to "Eon duo". Have a nice day everyone. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 05:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

== Worth noting Mega forms?? ==

since knowledge+access to the lati's mega stones is now widespred (thanks to action replay codes), i think its time that we pull our heads out of the ground and aknowledge the existance of their mega evolutions(with notes stating they havent been reveald officially by Nintendo yet) [[User:Relicant/Note Pad#strike three - jet plane dragon birds chapter|i've done minor modifications of latios+latias's article intro text and worked out their bst.]] --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:hey, who remembers that time when instead of creating articles for pokemon like {{p|Genesect}}, who were at the time only obtainable via ar codes but were widely known about, we instead swept them under the rug and pretended they didnt exist?

:^ this is pretty much the vibe i'm gettin g from the fact that the main article for the eon duo was protected but nobody bothered to answer here with a good reason why.--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::Sorry Relicant, Mega Eon duo has not revealed by Nintendo yet, we have to wait as soon as possible as we don't want to cheat/hack. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect all had articles up at a time where the only way to obtain them was by hacking/cheating or, in the case of Darkrai and Shaymin, glitches. We have enough proof that Mega Latias and Mega Latios are real, there's several videos of people using said megas on youtube. so no 123, we dont need to wait for Nintendo to reveal them. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::::So the Mega Eon duo are real Relicant and are revealed without Nintendo? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

:::::feast your eyes: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0]

:::::vid of the mega eons. Still i dont want to updtr Latias' and Latios' articles with the fact they have hidden megas becaus e the admins would get mad.--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 00:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::So these Mega Evolutions of the Eon duo are hidden right? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 00:08, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:::::::At the moment, the only way of obtaining the Mega eon duo stones is with action replay. so yes. According to a later post by the uploader, the Mega Lati's Mega Stones cannot be traded, which may or may not be a byproduc t of not being generated legitimately (aka they didnt come from an event). --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 00:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Did the people that uploaded those videos hacked/used a cheatcodes themselves? No. They all got it from one source. And as you know, one source is not enough. It's not the number of video evidence that we're taking into account, we're taking into account '''where'' they got these from, and right know, I'm going to assume they all got it from the same source and did not cheat/hack the games themselves to find out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

{{indent}}
Honestly, the way I see it, with Diancie actually being revealed, it's only a matter of time until CoroCoro or another official source puts out info on these (along with those other two legends), but until then, these topics really have to stop popping up. People are way too impatient on this front. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 03:38,2/22/2014 (UTC)

:As the one who blocked the page, I did actually write a response but it did not send through, my apologies. See Force Fire's message below though. Pretty much though until we can personally get them into the games ourselves, it won't be happening. We don't all want another Mew under the truck scenario. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 05:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

:: the guy in the vid mentioned he used a powersave to obtain the eon's mega stones. people have been using powersaves to obtain the mega stones.

::and what is with this stupidly hypocritical "wait for official reveal" nonsense, may i add? we had articles for {{p|Arceus}} at a time where we weren't even sure it was in the games code(and then ar codes happend)! if adding info about the mega eon duo and creatin (prelimenary) pages for Hoopa and Volcanion is being impatient, then what makes whomever created arrticles for {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Shaymin}}, Arceus, {{p|Keldeo}}, {{p|Meloetta}} and Genesect long before their official reveal? the mega eon duo is not a Mew under the truck, we have concrete evidence it exists. time for all of you to pull your heads out of the ground. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 08:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::That was then. This is now. I don't actually know the circumstance behind the creations of those page, but times are different and the staff was different from then and thus decisions from those time will not affect our decisions in the future. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::I haven't actually seen a staff member say "wait for official reveal" anywhere. I'm pretty sure we can add information of them as soon as a reliable Bulbapedian is able obtain them.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::I agree with you here, Dennou. If any reliable Bulbapedians are reading this, please order a powersave, give these guys the proof they need, and let's end this pointless argument once and for all. --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::At this point plenty of people have access to the Lati Mega Stones (not BP staff that I know of, but plenty of trustworthy people). I am completely confident that they exist (in fact, I even know that Latiasite is index 684 and Latiosite is index 685). I am not entirely sure what we are waiting on. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

::The Mega articles have info about the Mega eon duo. only thing to do is add info to the eon duo page and both of the lati twin's respective articles. i cant do it because all three were locked. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 10:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Should we ask a Staff member for permission to edit the other pages?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

could a staff member perhaps unlock pages relating to the eon duo? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 19:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

== In the anime/manga? ==

There should be a section called "In the anime" and "In the manga - In the Pokemon Adventures". I am not sure why that's missing... [[User:Mwthorn|Mwthorn]] ([[User talk:Mwthorn|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
:The pages of Latias and Latios respectively already list this. No need to repeat it here. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:53, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
::So shouldn't it be put in the anime section of the article?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Sorry wrong section :)--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias Appearances ==

Didn't both of them appear in Hoopa and the Clash of Ages?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 15:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:Yes both Legendary Pokémon appeared in the movie.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)\
::So shouldn't it be put in the anime section of the article?--[[User:Jasper C.|'''Jasper''']] ([[User talk: Jasper C.|'''Chat''']]) 23:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Move ==

I'd like to reopen the proposal to move this article to '''Eon Pokémon''', the unique category of Latias and Latios, which is the closest we have to an official term that refers specifically and exclusively to these two Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 16:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:I agree, its better to have an offical name like that is close and Eon Pokémon is a good name chocie like the case with Paradox and Ultra Beasts.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 16:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

== Eon As a Mistranslation of Mugen ==

I think it would be worthwhile to note that their English Pokedex category of "Eon Pokemon" and the names that derive from that like the Eon Ticket are actually mistranslations. They interpreted むげん mugen to be the term 無限 which means infinity and eternity (It's the term Eternatus (Mugendaina) is named after in Jp. They chose to emphasize the eternity part and translated it as Eon, which means a very long time. But their classification of むげん mugen is actually referring to the term 夢幻 which means dreams, fantasies, visions, illusions, etc. They are Dream Pokemon because of their psychic abilities to share their thoughts and feelings as stated in their Pokedex entries. This is also why they appear in the Dreamyard in Black 2/White 2 and why Latios talks about dreams in its Mystery Dungeon quotes.
I'm not very sure how to approach adding this information to the page however, so I'll just leave this information here. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 09:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sacred Ash

2022-10-17T00:10:11Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Insufficient description of its effects */ new section

== Since this item is now available on Dream Radar.... ==

Should I put that its obtainable in generation V thanks to that app? Because Im afraid that people might delete it off if I put it there.
[[User:Antlionerd|Antlionerd]] ([[User talk:Antlionerd|talk]]) 22:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:I’d be happy about such information. Other pages also mentions items which you get from the Pokéwalker, GameCube games etc. so I think it should be fine. And why should this information be withheld, if people look at the page to find out where to get the item? [[User:Peterpansexuell|Peterpansexuell]] ([[User talk:Peterpansexuell|talk]]) 23:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Sacred Ash from ORAS ==

I received a Ho-oh from the GTS, and it appears to be holding sacred ash. It's possible for it to be available in ORAS. --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
* Not necessarily- someone could have hacked to get it. Nintendo's hack checks are spotty enough that I wouldn't be surprised if they'd let an unobtainable item go through the GTS. You might get the item normally by encountering Ho-oh, but I have AS so I can't check. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 23:15, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
**I believe Ho-Oh can be caught with it in OR. --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 01:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Repeatability of wild held items ==

Technically, the player could steal the Sacred Ash from Ho-Oh, then lose to it, flee from it (Gen III), or (Gen IV onward) defeat it. If the player then re-enters the room (in Gen II and III) or enters the Hall of Fame (from Gen IV onward), they could then battle Ho-Oh again and steal its item again. However, for most players, this would not really be helpful to classify as a repeatable method even though it technically is. Should we count it as one? (Note that I haven't actually tried this, so it's possible that if you steal Ho-Oh's item it doesn't get it back, but I doubt it.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== Insufficient description of its effects ==

At least in Gen III, Sacred Ash also fully restores the HP of non-fainted Pokemon if it is successfully used, not just the fainted Pokemon like the current description of its effect implies. If anyone's willing to check if this is true across the generations...? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 00:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! & Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! Super Music Collection

2019-04-23T20:27:49Z

ArtistKyurem: Created page with "I just noticed after a long time that for some reason the Route 11 theme (Labeled Road to Fuchsia City: Leaving Lavender Town in the FRLG album) isn't in this album release ev..."

I just noticed after a long time that for some reason the Route 11 theme (Labeled Road to Fuchsia City: Leaving Lavender Town in the FRLG album) isn't in this album release even though its in the game. Really strange considering these albums are meant to be full soundtracks (I mean come on they're called Super Music COMPLETE in Japanese) and even have level up sounds and whatnot. Are there any other missing themes from this album? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Yveltal (Pokémon)

2018-11-05T13:55:40Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Ultra Sun/Moon Catch rate */ new section

==Time to Create==

I think [http://www.joystiq.com/2013/01/09/pokemon-x-y-legendary-details-meet-xerneas-and-yveltal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fjoystiq+%28Joystiq%29 we have enough] to go ahead and kick off the two legendary Pokémon pages. (Other being Xerneas.) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Because we don't know the types these Pokémon will have yet, we will be holding back the creation of their articles for now. Knowing the type of a Pokémon is basic information, but a relevant one when creating an article (mainly because of {{template|PokémonInfobox}}). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

Before the pages get ready, can I make the redirect pages already? the ones with pokemon instead of Pokémon, e.g. Xerneas (pokemon) redirect to Xerneas (Pokémon).--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 16:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I personally see barely any point in creating redirects to an inexistent article. It will create false positives shown in the search bar, misleading a lot of people. I suggest you to wait until we actually ''create'' the article.

== Evil? ==

It seems as if it's being pronounced "ee-vell-tall," and I don't want to speculate too much, but could the name possibly come from "evil" or something along those lines? --'''[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(29)]]''' 22:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The name also seems to stem from the figure in Aztec myth named "Coatl." Or at least, that's what my mind went to when I first saw it's name. Coatl is often represented as a winged serpent not unlike the design of Yveltal. [[User:Zoraluigi|Zoraluigi]] ([[User talk:Zoraluigi|talk]]) 01:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::How about Weltall? Even though you hear about it from Xenogears, it's German for universe or space--a hint to its origins. [[User:Lennox|Lennox]] ([[User talk:Lennox|talk]]) 02:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::So in other words, we shouldn't do anything yet? --'''[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(29)]]''' 11:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I suppose we shouldn't. Time will tell, I suppose. --[[User:Zoraluigi|Zoraluigi]] ''([[User talk:Zoraluigi|Talk]])'' 16:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::How about "evil" + [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl Quetzalcoatl]? Yvel -> Evil, -tal -> -tl (from coatl). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::There's a definite Aztec vibe from this one. We'll just have to wait. Let's be reasonable and say it's a Flying type. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 19:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, I was talking about the name origin --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 14:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== "The mascot of Pokémon Y"? ==

...should we really be saying this right now? I know they're not the same games, but Black and White flipped things on us before. At the very least, this comment needs to be sourced if true; otherwise it should be left out. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 13:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:The X and Y in the logos of the games are styled after Xerneas's horns and Yveltal wings. It's pretty obvious that they're going to be the mascots. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 13:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::It was "pretty obvious" that Alomomola was the evolution of Luvdisc, but that turned out to be bunk, too. We shouldn't be making any assumptions about any of the Pokémon that have been revealed so far. It doesn't matter if they WILL be; there's been no announcement about it so far, so the information shouldn't be up yet. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 02:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:*Starscream does have a point though, but they probably will end up being mascots at least. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 20:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I feel like they wouldn't have released a game called "Pokémon Y," have one of the only five Pokémon in the promotional video clearly be a legendary, make it shaped like a giant Y, and later reveal its name to start with a Y, without it being the mascot. --'''[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(29)]]''' 03:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Zekrom and Reshiram seemingly traded what versions they should have been mascots for, recall. Game Freak's decisions won't always comply with expectation or common sense. No matter how obvious it seems to be, it is still not confirmed. On a similar note, we also shouldn't be assuming what bodytype category they'll go in, since that system could get retired anyway. [[User talk:Yeyjordan|yeyjordan]] 06:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Except they didn't. They were going for a Yin Yang theme. That's all. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 07:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::well they released the new magazine, which seems to agree with the fact that Yveltal is in Pokemon Y and Xerneas is in Pokemon X [[User:Harrchan|Harrichan]] ([[User talk:Harrichan|talk]]) 8:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:The reason for flipping the Black and White colors was because of (probably to emphasise) the "Yin Yang" theme. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 19:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Really Ataro and Scarabola, REALLY? You guys still think Reshiram and Zekrom have to do anything with Yin and Yang? Don't you guys understand that Yin and Yang represent the balance of things which can't exist without eachother? And that ideals and truth can and will try to exist without eachother? Not anything that's Black and White has to represent Yin and Yang! I don't think we should make any assumption which is somehow derived from Zekrom and Reshiram representing Yin and Yang! So your argument is invalid. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:::...are you serious? Dude, the Japanese games couldn't be ''more'' obvious in that regard short of the designers knocking on your door and shouting it in your face. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] ([[User talk:Frugali|talk]]) 14:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Seriously, even the [[Tao Trio]] article on this very site explains everything that connects Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem to the concept of Yin and Yang, including the fact that they are ''called'' the Tao Trio. How you can't derive Yin and Yang from these legends is beyond me. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|talk]]) 15:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
*I still say it wouldn't hurt to just wait and see what happens instead of jumping the gun and assuming we know what is going to happen. Also, {{u|Nickvang}}, you need to calm down. And there is a lot supporting the "Ying-Yang" theory for Reshiram and Zekrom (and Kyurem), so the argument really isn't all that invalid (lol...what is this, 4Chan? X-D). But I digress. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
::We actually do know that Xerneas is the mascot of X and Yveltal is the mascot of Y. {{n|CoroCoro leaks with official art of X and Y legendaries|CoroCoro confirmed it}}. And the Japanese [[species]] names of Reshiram and Zekrom are White Yang and Black Yin Pokémon, respectively, meaning that we know for certain they are based on those concepts (not that that discussion belongs here). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
::*That's all we need. (Also, that's why I said "I digress", it was straying from the focus here) ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 15:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I know this is really not helping anything, but Nickvan, I think it would have really helped to have known that in the Japanese Pokédex, Zekrom's species is categorized as the Black Yin Pokémon and Reshiram's species is categorized as the White Yang Pokémon.[[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 04:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

== Possible Future Trivia? Or Origin? Maybe, maybe not? ==

This maybe too soon or just plain stupid on my part but anyone noticed how Yveltal looks like a Y? I know it probably was what they were going after considering the game title, just didn't know if that was trivia-worthy or an origin-worthy note yet if not at all. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 20:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:I would say that something like that would probably be best in the physiology section or something. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 20:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
: I'd figured as much. But I guess that can be added later when we get more info on the game and/or the Pokémon itself. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::Oh, let me try, maybe, maybe, Xerneas with spread legs looks like an X! Oh, and the X and Y in the logos have elements of Yveltal and Xerneas!! WOW!! Jokes aside, I agree with you when you say that this is going to be trivia, and let me add that it should be included design orogin/physiology and name origin. But, man, honestly, I believe that everyone who watched the direct 3 days ago noticed it. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:04, 11 January 2013
:::*Hey, no one seemed to even mention it before, so I was only wondering. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

== Official Art ==

We can probably replace the screenshot now that we have official Sugimori art.
[http://postimage.org/image/4di7ikbzf/ Official Art]
[[User:Zond|Zond]] ([[User talk:Zond|talk]]) 12:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:* That's the one cleaned by [http://www.PokemonBattle.it PokemonBattle.it]. They also have [http://i49.tinypic.com/16jeh46.png Xerneas]. The trivia should be fixed too, since Xerneas and Yveltal are confirmed to be also the Japanese names and they were revealed on French, German and Italian sites too at the same time, so they're not just the English names. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 14:44, 11 January 2013
::*[http://www.pokemonbattle.it/Yveltal.png I cleaned it some more] --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
* Official Art 300dpi with transparent background: [http://www.pokemonbattle.it/Yveltal-Official-Art_300dpi.png Yveltal]{{unsigned|Tano}}
:It has already been [[a:File:Yveltal.png|uploaded]] a few minutes ago. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 18:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
:: That one has white matte all around. Also lower res. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
:::The resolution has been reduced intentionally because it is way too big and exceeds the max limit. And if by white matte you mean transparency then I can assure you that the image is transparent and there is no unnecessary white color in the background. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 06:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::No, the white matte is a white border around the black one. Try to put a black background under the pic you suggested and you'll see it. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 11:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::What? There is no white border. The image is fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::We were talking about [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/archive/b/b6/20130115115137!Yveltal.png this version]. Check time and date please. The pic is fine now, no white matte, so feel free to go with that one (that is in fact derived from mine, lol, just downscaled) or use the one with the biggest resolution I linked —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 13:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

I don't think wyvern is a likely origin—if it were pronounced "WAI-vel-tal" then maybe, but otherwise it is not similar in pronunciation or spelling (it shares "ve" with it). The Yv combination seems to be more common in French (e.g. {{wp|Yvelines}} is the top suggestion on Wikipedia when typing Yv in the search box). I think the name may come from French rather than English, which is why we cannot find an apparent origin. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Look above in the "[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Yveltal_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Evil.3F Evil?]" section. I agree with you however when you say that "wyvern" is not part of the name origin (but probably the origin of the concept for the design). Yveltal is pronunced in a Latin way, as French people or Italians would do, like "evil-tal", so I suggested it's probably "evil" + Quetzalcoatl? Yvel -> Evil, -tal -> -tl (from coatl), and then they added the "Y". [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:04, 11 January 2013
::Oh, I know that it is pronounced ee-VELL-tall (Pokémon [https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/289143489537642497 tweeted the official pronunciation]). However, I guess "evil" probably is a good origin, although I doubt it would be the only one with that spelling. I also agree that wyverns may have been part of the design influence, but not the name origin. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I knew that tweet, but I think that "evil" pronunciation is similar enough, and I agree with you about "wyvern": the only thing they have in common (talking about the word) is the "y", wich is in "Yveltal" because of the concept. Well, we can't deny it's a wyvern (and I like that). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:21, 11 January 2013
:::I also think that the derivation from Quetzalcoatl (a mythological dragon) is more correct that the one from Quetzal (the little bird). "Evil" would be totally confirmed if it's part Dark type. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:24, 11 January 2013
::::How about ''{{wp|guivre}}'' or ''vouivre''? I'm not that familiar with French (or the actual pronunciation of wyvern{{tt|*|Apparently, it is wai-vern}}), so I can't say for sure. As for Quetzal, it's still a reference to its design, which features a long tail feather. Quetzalcoatl has a closer resemblance to a "feathered snake" than an actual bird. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 16:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Going on pronunciation, they don't really fit. Those would be GWAAV-re and VWAAV-re (I think—it's been quite a few years since I studied French). They don't really fit on spelling either. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Doing some research on the subject, {{wp|Yvelines}} is a department in France and the [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvel_(rivi%C3%A8re) Yvel] is a river in France. Neither has a counterpart beginning with X as far as I can tell so far but the river in particular seems like a likely origin.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100602153248/finalfantasy/images/3/3c/Quezacotl.jpg Quetzalcoatl in ff8] is kinda Y shaped and it's derived from the mythological Quetzalcoatl, so that even [http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/292/f/7/quetzalcoatl__teotihuacan_by_genzoman-d31393q.jpg a feathered snake can have this shape]. Also the quetzal (the green bird) takes its name from the Quetzalcoatl, and with spread wings it's Y shaped, since it has a [http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meh9okKtP21rppzm5o1_500.jpg very long tail]. And even if the river Yvel has almost the same name, I don't think that GameFreak knew about it. I guess it's just a coincidence. The name origin should contain elements with something to do with the Pokemon. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:61, 11 January 2013
::::::Yvel and Yvelines are probably a coincidence. Quetzal isn't really derived from Quetzalcoatl. The word itself is {{wp|Nahuatl}} for feather. Quetzalcoatl is more of a compound word that means "Feathered serpent", though I can see that it can count as design influence. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 17:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Then please give it some dignity and replace Quetzal with Quetzalcoatl, lol. Why should it be named after a bird instead of a mythological bird-snake? [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:21, 11 January 2013
:::::::The bird may be considered a coincidence, like the river. They have no purpose to use the Quetzal to make its name. The Quetzalcoatl at least is a mithological winged snake (=wyvern, in a western definition). Also you derived Xerneas' name from Cernunnos (horned Celtic god), even if they don't have much in common. I think that Yveltal should be derived from a god too (Quetzalcoatl is an Aztec god).

:If the French pronunciation thing is true, I'm sure we're mostly aware that X and Y will take place in a land taking inspiration from France. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 19:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I think most likely, is that the name is based on the German word "Weltall" (pronounced vel-tall) which is the German translation for "universe". [[User:Skypeia|'''skypeia''']]([[User talk:Skypeia|talk]]) 11:53, 13 January 2013 (EST)

Uhm... It seems pretty obvious to me now that it comes from '''Y + evil + talon'''. A talon is a sharp claw of an animal, especially a bird of prey, such as a buzzard, eagle, falcon, hawk, or owl. Yveltal's shape is made from 3 arms with claws and it's also a bird. The Quetzal bird has nothing to do with the embodiment of descruction. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

== Origin ==
At the moment it contains "Yveltal is based on some kind of avian". Guys, it's based on a [http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-03/art/bof4-dragon-wyvern.jpg wyvern]: bypedal, horns, claws on wings, etc. {{unsigned|Tano}}
:The reason I went for the ambiguous "avian" is that cultural depictions of wyverns vary ''drastically''. Most depictions I've seen have them as "close cousins of dragons", but they are plenty where they just are dragons. If I go off of Wikipedia's definition "A wyvern is a legendary winged creature with a dragon's head, reptilian body, two legs (sometimes none), and a barbed tail." then the only condition Yveltal really fits is having no legs. Also, your link is broken (it may require logging in to view it or something). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::According to my (too many) years of D&D, a wyvern is a creature similar to a dragon, but with no forelegs (or, in general, with just 2 legs), often with a poisonous claw on the tip of the tail, wich would fit Yveltal (except for the poison part, that we still don't know). About the broken pic, it probably external links, try with the [http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-03/bof4-dragon-wyvern.html page] or [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/322/e/e/Wyvern_by_fabsedda.jpg this fanart] (that is actually a trace/rip of the one I linked before). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:: [http://i48.tinypic.com/i2lo38.png Another wyvern]. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::I believe it's more based on a Roc. But that just be my obsession with Arabo-Persian mythos thinking. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 21:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::The Roc is a mythological bird, right? I believe it has bird wings, beak, plumage and it doesn't have a long tail with claws on it, or claws on its wings, or horns. Yveltal has horns, claws on wings, a long and strong tail with claws/spikes on it, no beak, no plumage (from the 3d render, that's skin, not plumage). It's simply a [http://i48.tinypic.com/i2lo38.png wyvern], that is also a fantasy creature. Can still have a mythological origin however, since its shape is similar to the [http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/292/f/7/quetzalcoatl__teotihuacan_by_genzoman-d31393q.jpg quetsalcoa'''''tl'''''], a winged-snake god, that is similar to a wyvern in some aspects, being a winged reptile with a long tail and '''"Y" shape''' (the only ''y-shaped'' god I can think about, also possible name origin). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 22:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

: To me it looks like a combination of a vulture and a phoenix. --[[User:Mutant God|Mutant God]] ([[User talk:Mutant God|talk]]) 21:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it could be based on a Wyvern. If it is, then it reinforces the "Sound Type" theory, since Wyverns are known to let out shrill screeches and sounds, like Yveltal's screech at the end of the first trailer. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 14:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

: Just thought I'd add another idea to the table; I think Yveltal is Game Freak's artistic licensing of the Yatagarasu/Sanwuzu. They wouldn't give it three legs right off the bat, because that would be a dead giveaway to the theme, and we all know how much Game Freak loves to make their legendary Pokemon look entirely original, or at least extremely varied in their inspiration. Yveltal's wings and tail all look to resemble a claw/bird talon of some sort, so I took the three claws to be a reference to the Yatagarasu's three feet. It's stomach also glows bright red, and the legends of the Yatagarasu say that it is an embodiment of the sun. If the glow that it made in the first trailer is another reference to the Yatagarasu, then maybe Yveltal can create an intense heat, or has some connection to sunny weather? I may be letting my fascination with magical Asian beasts get the better of me here. I would also think that Yveltal looks like a big fleshy heart if you're staring at his belly with his extremities all stretched out, because I really like the theory that Yveltal represents the mesoderm, and becomes an odd symbol of anatomy/genetics when combined with Xerneas.[[User:Yveltal-is-roosting|Yveltal-is-roosting]] ([[User talk:Yveltal-is-roosting|talk]]) 02:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
I feel like there is an error in the trivia for both of the Gen VI legendaries. The names were revealed internationally at the exact same time. Why does it say that it was revealed in English before Japan? [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 18:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:The English names were revealed in the official site on January 8 whereas the Japanese names were revealed two days later in leaked CoroCoro scans.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Right. But the names are all the same. What was on the Japanese site on the 8th?[[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 18:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There was no Japanese site on the 8th. There still isn't a Japanese site. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Alrighty. No arguments here [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 19:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Well, to be honest there is still an error, since it's not the "English" name, but also the French, German, Italian and Spanish name. And it was revealed on US and European sites in the same moment. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 19:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::What? Yveltal ''is'' its {{wp|English language|English}} name... And we don't need to mention other languages because this is an English wiki--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I think it's still an incomplete information. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I thinks that's a good point and should be corrected. Even if this is an English wiki, "Yveltal's name was revealed internationally before being revealed in Japan" sounds like it would be more accurate. {{unsigned|Noah★}}

== Imperial conversions ==

Yveltal's height is 19'00" (Rounded to the nearest inch) and weighs 447.5lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth). How do I know? I converted its metric weight and height. --[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] ([[User talk:KirbyRider|talk]]) 21:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== X/Y axis ==

Xerneas walks on the ground, a possible reference to he horizontal X axis in mathematics, while Yveltal flies through the air, a reference to the vertical Y axis. Should it be added?
:I agree. There is a strong ''analogy'' with the [http://www.genedavissoftware.com/books/jogl/images/ch2_coordinate_system.gif coordinate system]. It can't simply be a coincidence since this game is on a '''3D'''S, so it has probably something to do with the ''dimensions'' (Z axis Pokemon coming, lol). --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

Wrote up a backbone for the Physiology section. Feel free to use in the article, edit, or contribute.

"Yveltal is a large flying Pokémon with a vaguely avian appearance. The upper side of its body is dark in coloration, adorned with greyish diamond patterns along its wings and long tail. Both wings have three points extending from their trailing edge, close to where the wing meets the body. There are large, claw-like structures at its wingtips, with three curved hooks facing inward like a hand, flanked on each side by a shorter, spike-like protrusion. The end of its tail bears an identical claw, and as a result Yveltal's entire body forms a Y-shape when its wings and tail are fully extended in flight. Its underparts are bright red, and appear to be capable of lighting up or glowing under certain conditions. Black markings run from the center of its torso towards its extremities, each ending in a three-pronged branching pattern. Similar markings are present on Yveltal's head, running up its neck to its pointed, beak-like snout. Black horns extend from above its piercing blue eyes, with a sharply-curved portion pointing forward and thinner prongs facing the rear. A feathery grey ruff, similar to that of a vulture, encircles its neck and billows out over its back. Yveltal has small, birdlike legs with powerful talons. Like the rest of its underside, the legs are red with black adornments, and its talons are grey. Each foot has two toes facing forward and one pointing backwards, creating a Y-shape. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Wyvern.jpg Wyvern], [http://i48.tinypic.com/i2lo38.png wyvern], [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/322/e/e/Wyvern_by_fabsedda.jpg wyvern], [http://i49.tinypic.com/2n69k5i.jpg another wyvern], [http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/292/f/7/quetzalcoatl__teotihuacan_by_genzoman-d31393q.jpg quetzalcoatl], [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100602153248/finalfantasy/images/3/3c/Quezacotl.jpg quetzalcoatl in ff8]. Almost all of them are from Japanese games/authors (2 of them from americans, 1 is an ancient flag), all of them are or are inspired by quetzalcoatl (an ancient god) or wyverns (a fantasy beast). They are all '''Y-shaped''', with wings and a long tail. It makes sense, we are talking about a legendary. Why do you keep ignoring that? On 4chan they already call it "the pokemon rathalos", while here is referred as "avian" (correct, but generic and obvious) and its name is said to be from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/quetzal this little bird]. {{unsigned|Tano}}
::I agree that it absolutely resembles a wyvern, but the inspiration doesn't belong in the physiology section. Physiology is meant to detail the appearance and nothing more, and in this case "avian" works as a good basic description cuz as far as we know its just an generic winged beastie. Boring? Maybe, but proper and descriptive. If it gets Dragon typing or something it is more likely based on a wyvern, but that still isn't needed in the Physiology section. In my opinion, the comparison to a wyvern belongs in the Origin section. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:I don't agree with this part: "A ''feathery'' grey ruff, similar to that of a vulture, encircles its neck and billows out over its back". From how they're randomly floating in the artwork, they seems more like hairs, not feathers. They remind me of [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/f/f9/244Entei.png Entei], not [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/00/630Mandibuzz.png Mandibuzz] --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::That's a fair enough point. I wasn't really sure how to phrase that bit, we can change it to "A grey ruff of fur or feathers, similar to that of a vulture, encircles its neck and billows out over its back." [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 16:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I'd remove the analogy with the vulture. "A grey ruff of fur or feathers encircles its neck..." is more then enough. I agree with all the rest, you did a pretty good job. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Thinking more carefully about it, they can't be feathers at all. It makes too many randomic curves, look at [http://i45.tinypic.com/jfhj6p.png this pic] I made (lol). They are hairs, totally. I was confused too from the video, but the artwork made it clearer. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::While that is a good point, I would like to point out that [[Cresselia|Cresselia]] does not appear to have feathers either but does indeed drop the [[Lunar Wing|lunar wing]] on multiple occasions. I guess we'll have to wait until we see a better quality picture of it (perhaps in the anime) before we can really tell if it has feathers or hair. [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 21:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Cresselia may have feathers on her body. Feathers can't simply float in that wavy way. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Latias and Latios also are said to have feathers. Latias's red part of her body for example also resembles Yveltal's possible plumage. I'm just saying that even though it doesn't look like it, there is still a good possibility that there are feathers on that body. You have to think with a Pokemon-esque form of logic when thinking about their physiology. Although since it does seem to be based on a Wyvern, it could also be scales too.[[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 22:49, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::In fact I'm not saying it has no feathers over the red or the black part of its body (I can't possibly know that, even if i don't think so because of the connection with the claws, but well...), I'm just talking about the grey part around the neck and I've already explained why. –[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 00:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Type ==

It could be a flying type, as it is seen flying or dragon. {{unsigned|Dragon146}}
:While it is strongly implied that it's capable of flying (and as such, being part of the {{t|Flying}} or {{type|Dragon}} classes), we aren't sure, and as such shouldn't speculate on the Pokémon's real typing until we get a confirmation. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:There is actually a strong precedent for Pokémon who fly on wings but are not Flying-type. Examples include Flygon, Lati@s, Resh, Zek, Beedrill, and Venomoth. You can never be sure about Game Freak's peculiar decisions. [[User talk:Yeyjordan|yeyjordan]] 23:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The same guy that leaked the Unova Pokédex said it's going to be Dark/Flying. However, he also said there is going to be a Fairy-type, which I refuse to believe, because there is no need for a "fairy-type." A new type might screw up continuity. Even worse, when a whole lot of Normal-types such as Clefairy would be re-typed. We'll wait for official confirmation on Yvetal, Xerneas, and Sylveon's types before we jump to conclusions, but at least the Dark/Flying Yvetal is believable. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 21:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I doubt Yveltal will end up being part-Flying. Also since the Fairy-type rumour doesn't have a reliable source, I'd disregard it as a hoax along with the "Yveltal is Dark/Flying" rumour. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 23:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, it looks like it would be Dragon/Dark to me. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 01:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:Please use the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php Forums] to speculate what types the new Pokémon may or may not be rather than the Bulbapedia talk pages. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 01:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

== Physiology Hidden? ==

*Any particular reason why Yveltal's physiology section is hidden and {{p|Xerneas}}' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Xerneas_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1835097 isn't] at the current moment? Or am I just spinning my wheels here? X-D ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
:I think someone simply forgot to unhide it after they finished writing it. I've unhid it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
::*Okie Dokie. Thanks. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 23:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

== Typo ==

"When their wings are tail are fully extended" - wings ''and'' tail I believe is the intent. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 23:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

== "Talon" as name origin ==

Is it possible that Yveltal's name might also come from "talon"? It does look like a bird of prey. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 15:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

==Official pronunciations==
Has anyone else noticed that on the X and Y page, under the the Xerneas and Yvetal images, they have the names and pronunciations? Yveltal's is ee-VELL-tawl. i mention this as i know there has been controversy over pronunciations before. i also know that the infobox has a pronunciation section. perhaps somebody could add this? [[User:Volcronaperson|_Volcronaperson_]] 21:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Keep in mind that Nintendo changed the pronunciation of "Arceus" 3 times. Just saying, we can't be sure. [[User:Higejolly|higejolly]] ([[User talk:Higejolly|talk]]) 01:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

Ya-vel-tul

[[User:Pokemon nomekop|Pokemon nomekop]] ([[User talk:Pokemon nomekop|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
:Yes? What is that supposed to be? We have an official pronunciation, and it's not that. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Yveltal ==

Until the page gets unlocked... here's Yveltal's [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/pokemon_05.html Korean name]: 이벨타르 ''I'beltareu'' (Though, really, it's just "Yveltal") -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== What if Yveltal is the Jubjub Bird? ==

If Yveltal is based on the Jubjub Bird, it would make a lot of sense for the whole yvel theme. There isn't anything hinting at it in the name, but its overall red, monstrous appearance seems to point towards popular depictions of the Jubjub Bird. [[User:Kikiyume|Kikiyume]] ([[User talk:Kikiyume|talk]]) 12:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I personally think it's based on Quetzalcoatl. There are some similarities between the two. [[User:Prelklaksdf|Prelklaksdf]] ([[User talk:Prelklaksdf|talk]]) 04:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

== Ishkur ==

According to some sources, the Mesopotamian god Ishkur was often depicted with a "lion-dragon." The lion-like mane and draconic appearance of Yveltal suggest that it may be based partially on this; additionally, the way that Yveltal's mane resembles a cloud (from the color, probably a storm cloud) may be referencing Ishkur's status as a rain and storm god. This is further supported by Xerneas' slight similarities to Shala (I'll explain on Xerneas' talk page briefly). [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 21:43, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about that. Ishkur's beast form is closer to a griffon shape and the entire theory of it being Ishkur asserts it is a dragon. Yveltal clearly has a beak and bird feet, meaning it's closer to an avian than a dragon. The tufts around the neck makes it look more like a buzzard than a lion. It's not mane-like at all. [[User:Kikiyume|Kikiyume]] ([[User talk:Kikiyume|talk]]) 13:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

It needs a little work, but I can't edit the page. First of all, isn't the physiology section supposed to be written in singular, especially for a legendary Pokémon like Yveltal? Also, grammar needs some work. Thanks! [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 22:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Genderless. ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXA8BnlqX8 3 minutes into movie] Yveltal is shown with Umbreon (and the mons on other side), only one of which has gender symbol (and obviously it's Umbreon). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 21:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

== Yveltal's Signature Move in question ==

According to ZephyrSonic on YouTube, Yveltal's signature move in English is called "Oblivion Wing", check out the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXA8BnlqX8

[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 12:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)The Seeker
:We already know about {{m|Oblivion Wing}}. It'll be up when we have all the data for a learnset section. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

== categories ==

yveltal is still listed as a single type pokemon in the categories. that needs to be fixed [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

== trivia ==

the trivia isn't true any more because of pyroar [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 16:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

== Cocoon form ==

Should we add a pic of its Cocoon/sleeping form?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Didn't think of that. {{unsigned|TheBurningPro}}

== Stats ==

Notable that it has the EXACT same base stats as {{p|Xerneas}}? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 05:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
: Usually members of a duo/trio have the same base stat totals but differing distribution (starters and version-exclusive species often follow this trend as well). But it does seem they have the exact same distribution, too, like {{p|Typhlosion}} did to {{p|Charizard}}. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 13:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I do agree that it is purpose {{unsigned|TheBurningPro}}

== Black Death and Plague Doctor Origins ==

I was playing Y when I go into the house of the person who tells you about Yveltal. His wording, and the time period he gives reminded me of the Black Death. He said people and Pokémon began dropping one by one, similar to what happened with victims of Yersinia pestis. Its well known that France and Europe are inspirations for the Kalos Region, and Europe was heavily hit by Human Y. pestis infections. the Black Death that accounted for the death of at least one-third of the European population between 1347 and 1353. and that was just one outbreak. Human Y. pestis has broken out numerous times in pandemics that have swept the world twice over. Even in recent times, no one is safe. A Couple from New Mexico went to New York, stayed at a fancy enough hotel but got infected by infected fleas that were near their room's hot tub. It was one of the most recent and most terrifying cases, and the worse in new york history if I remember. The husband lost his legs to necrosis and nearly his life even with modern medicine. He was in a medical induced coma for months. To make things worse, the wife and husband were thought to be apart of a bio terrorism plot, either directly or indirectly, and it didn't help that the wife's birthday was on the 11th of September.

So, would it be too much of a stretch to presume that it might have some basis on the Black Death; especially given Europe's history with the rod shaped microb?

Also, it might also have origins in Plaque Doctors, which whore a avian-like mask. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
:I believe Yveltal being based on the Black Death and various elements related to it is more realistic. There is a strong lack of evidence supporting the Norse mythology basis. Other then birds that eat the dead or birds related to death in norse mythology, there is little evidence to support its validity and use in the article. I also fail to see how it could be based off the wyvern as well.

::So how about we replace the currtent Origin with this...

::Yveltal's appearance is based on an avian in the shape of the letter Y. It may be based on elements of the {{wp|Yersinia pestis|Black Death}} and the {{wp|Plague Doctor Costume|costume}} worn by {{wp|Plague Doctors}}. Human ''Y. pestis'' was responsible for the death of at least one-third of the European population between 1347 and 1353. The unsettling sight of the Plague Doctor's costume terrified people, believing it to be a sign of imminent death. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

== Inspiration of the Grim Reaper ==

Yveltal's power to absorb life kinda drawing further inspiration of the Grim Reaper, both Yveltal and the Reaper are known to take life. --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 15:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

== Guarenteed IV? ==

I just caught it. I took its stats to the calculator and found that the IVs are 31 / 31 / 31 / 6 / 5 / 17. Do you think that there may be some guarenteed IV for this particular pokémon? -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 06:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:The legendary Pokemon in X and Y have a guaranteed three 31s. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 06:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::[[Individual values#Generation VI|That's right]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

== Cartoon network on corner of screen. ==

Its better to be called "Digital on-screen graphic" see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_on-screen_graphic rather than "Cartoon Network Logo", can someone change that notice on top of the page? {{unsigned|Player01}}

== Ultra Sun/Moon Catch rate ==

In ORAS, all previous legendaries (Palkia/Dialga/Reshiram/Zekrom) had their catch rate set to 3. Did we confirm that this wasn't true for Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon with Xerneas/Yveltal/Rayquaza? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 13:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Lillie

2018-09-07T21:56:21Z

ArtistKyurem:

==Trivia with Nihilego==
Although there is no doubt that Lillie does indeed bare resemblance to Nihilego, probably due to her mother as mentioned. However, there's no actual legitimate direct relation between it. I think it's notable enough to mention to a degree, but as said no direct relation and just speculation with floating facts that may not connect at all. I'd edit it myself, but I'm confused on this and I'm not too sure if I should be touching it. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

:I removed it, it did seem to rely too much on speculation. [[User:Croaker|Croaker]] ([[User talk:Croaker|talk]]) 22:26, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

::Should we still acknowledge the resemblance, just without including theories or speculation? --[[User:Geektreecko|Geektreecko]] ([[User talk:Geektreecko|talk]]) 15:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
:::There's no way to really acknowledge the resemblance without some degree of speculation. Not to mention it's a bit subjective, so it's probably best to just leave it out entirely. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

::::I think it should at least be mentioned in Trivia section. Yes, it wasn't officially acknowledged, but not everything needs to be explicitly stated. Lusamine found Nihilego beautiful, she was the one who dressed Lillie and that dress really does resemble Nihilego. That's enough to at least deserve a mention. If we're going to wait for everything to be officially acknowledged, then this should apply to everyone, not just Lillie. For example, the Trivia section on Red's page mentioned how the "96" on his shirt is a reference to Pokémon Red and Green's original release date. But it's also just speculation. It's not confirmed to be a reference to 1996, or to Pokémon. This sort of obvious thing should not need an official confirmation. You can confirm this with your eyes. But if that's not enough to deserve a mention, it should be the same for everything of this nature, not just limited to Lillie's case. [[User:Scan|Scan]] ([[User talk:Scan|talk]]) 06:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

== Nebby ==
Should Nebby have its own article? The character seems big enough to have its own article. It was a major plot element and turns into the legendary, and had a major role through the entire game. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

:I agree with this. After all, Red's Pikachu and many other important Pokémon have their own page, and Nebby definitely deserves its own page as well. [[User:MaddoxTheMudkip|MaddoxTheMudkip]] ([[User talk:MaddoxTheMudkip|talk]]) 03:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

== Additional Picture ==

Since Lillie changed her outfit, should we have an additional photo with her "Z-Form"? Also please can we call it that XD [[User:Lunaflaire|Lunaflaire]] ([[User talk:Lunaflaire|talk]]) 00:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

== Quote Picture ==

I added a quote from the end credits. Could someone upload/add the picture(s) of her saying goodbye to Lunala/Solgaleo in the credits? It's a really nice photo, and it goes really, really well with the quote. Thanks! [[User:ThEquinox|ThEquinox]] ([[User talk:ThEquinox|talk]]) 21:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== Can Lillie be counted as a Fairy-type specialist? ==

All three of the Pokémon she uses in USUM are part-Fairy, is there more criteria that she needs to have apart from that? [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 01:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Missing/Incorrect Quote? ==

There's [https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1197694-pokemon-sun-and-moon this screenshot] of Lillie saying "Hey! Why do you like teasing me so much?", seemingly as a response to a negative answer to being asked how her clothes look. But this isn't the response listed in the Quotes section. Will she have different responses depending on previous questions she asked or something? Or is this just fake? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 21:55, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Lillie

2018-09-07T21:55:49Z

ArtistKyurem:

==Trivia with Nihilego==
Although there is no doubt that Lillie does indeed bare resemblance to Nihilego, probably due to her mother as mentioned. However, there's no actual legitimate direct relation between it. I think it's notable enough to mention to a degree, but as said no direct relation and just speculation with floating facts that may not connect at all. I'd edit it myself, but I'm confused on this and I'm not too sure if I should be touching it. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 22:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

:I removed it, it did seem to rely too much on speculation. [[User:Croaker|Croaker]] ([[User talk:Croaker|talk]]) 22:26, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

::Should we still acknowledge the resemblance, just without including theories or speculation? --[[User:Geektreecko|Geektreecko]] ([[User talk:Geektreecko|talk]]) 15:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
:::There's no way to really acknowledge the resemblance without some degree of speculation. Not to mention it's a bit subjective, so it's probably best to just leave it out entirely. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

::::I think it should at least be mentioned in Trivia section. Yes, it wasn't officially acknowledged, but not everything needs to be explicitly stated. Lusamine found Nihilego beautiful, she was the one who dressed Lillie and that dress really does resemble Nihilego. That's enough to at least deserve a mention. If we're going to wait for everything to be officially acknowledged, then this should apply to everyone, not just Lillie. For example, the Trivia section on Red's page mentioned how the "96" on his shirt is a reference to Pokémon Red and Green's original release date. But it's also just speculation. It's not confirmed to be a reference to 1996, or to Pokémon. This sort of obvious thing should not need an official confirmation. You can confirm this with your eyes. But if that's not enough to deserve a mention, it should be the same for everything of this nature, not just limited to Lillie's case. [[User:Scan|Scan]] ([[User talk:Scan|talk]]) 06:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

== Nebby ==
Should Nebby have its own article? The character seems big enough to have its own article. It was a major plot element and turns into the legendary, and had a major role through the entire game. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

:I agree with this. After all, Red's Pikachu and many other important Pokémon have their own page, and Nebby definitely deserves its own page as well. [[User:MaddoxTheMudkip|MaddoxTheMudkip]] ([[User talk:MaddoxTheMudkip|talk]]) 03:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

== Additional Picture ==

Since Lillie changed her outfit, should we have an additional photo with her "Z-Form"? Also please can we call it that XD [[User:Lunaflaire|Lunaflaire]] ([[User talk:Lunaflaire|talk]]) 00:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

== Quote Picture ==

I added a quote from the end credits. Could someone upload/add the picture(s) of her saying goodbye to Lunala/Solgaleo in the credits? It's a really nice photo, and it goes really, really well with the quote. Thanks! [[User:ThEquinox|ThEquinox]] ([[User talk:ThEquinox|talk]]) 21:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== Can Lillie be counted as a Fairy-type specialist? ==

All three of the Pokémon she uses in USUM are part-Fairy, is there more criteria that she needs to have apart from that? [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 01:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

There's [https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1197694-pokemon-sun-and-moon this screenshot] of Lillie saying "Hey! Why do you like teasing me so much?", seemingly as a response to a negative answer to being asked how her clothes look. But this isn't the response listed in the Quotes section. Will she have different responses depending on previous questions she asked or something? Or is this just fake? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 21:55, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Gardevoir (Pokémon)

2018-07-24T06:19:38Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Mega Gardevoir Image */ new section

==Name origins==
On name origins, what about from the French "Garder" -- to keep, and "voir" -- to see? 
--Slim {{unsigned|Slim}}
:It certainly sounds French in the anime dub. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 11:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
:It could also be a play on the Valkyrie Geiravör (spear+vigilant) --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 18:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Red fins==
Could someone please help me! What does it mean when it says "and the red fins it had as Ralts/Kirlia are now gone." Does it mean the red things? On there head? But, Gardevoir still has them! I'm confused.{{unsigned|Gardevoir}}
:I assume it means those on the head... Sure, Gardevoir's and Gallade's are on their chests now... but Ralts and Kirlia have them on their heads, which is the point. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I still don't get why they call them "Fins". I don't think there fins. ~Gardevoir {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

:More "fin-like" then "fins", to be exact. I think I was one who referred to them as Fins... if you can think of a more accurate word for it (maybe "fin-like ridges"?), then by all means, replace it. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 02:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::I'll probably do that. Thank you for you're help. {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

:::Right on. Looks just great now. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, theres a much better understanding of what it means now. --Gardevoir {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

==Alakazam==
was gardevoir ever speculated as a counterpart to Alakazam ?? {{unsigned|Palkie}}
:Not... really. Sure, it's kind of a Hoenn counterpart, but Alakazam's there anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

== Gardevoir's attacking pose ==

There's something I've noticed about Gardevoir in Pokémon Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution for quite a while. Whenever Gardevoir attacks, it looks to me as if Gardevoir's holding its arms in a cross formation. It's as if Gardevoir summon power from God to strike their foes or something. Can I make a note of that in the Trivia section?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 05:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:Mmmmmh... I'm thinking... that's too fanony. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::It looks more like some sort of unusual dance move to me. That might actually make more sense, since nearly all of Kirlia's animations (even its KO'd animation!) look like dance movements (which makes it hard for me to understand why Miror. B never uses one....). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Gardevoir - Hypnosis ==

I noticed that my Gardevoir in Gen IV learned Hypnosis at 60, not 63 like the page says. Was that a typo? Or did I do something to learn moves faster..? ~Desu {{unsigned|DesuMaiWaifu}}
:Nope. It was apparently wrong. Fixing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::Cool, glad I could help. ~Desu {{unsigned|DesuMaiWaifu}}

== Gender ratio ==
This might be a silly question, but since I created a new account for this soul purpose, I'll ask it anyway: Given the fact that this Pokemon can only evolve from female Kirilia, shouldn't its gender ratio be 100% female? [[User:WellyDawn|WellyDawn]] 23:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, male Kirlia can evolve into Gardevoir too. It's just that female Kirlia can only evolve into Gardevoir. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Even i am a fan of her(i always treat them as female),i know theyre 50/50 gender.See [[Snorunt]]'s evolutions,theyre just reversed. --[[User:Gillstar34|Gillstar34]] 09:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

==Generation V Event Move?==
I was looking at the moves Gardevoir can learn and noticed Hypnosis was in the Event Moves section for Gardevoir even though it learns it naturally. Aside from gaining the move 15 levels early, I don't understand why it is an event move in this case. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 03:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
: Good catch, I've removed it, just hope I'm not mistaken too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 14:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

==Type==
Someone change its type to Psychic/Fairy. '''★~Darklight~★''' 15:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC) 15:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC) 15:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

That's good! Add it! [[User:TheShinyMew|'''~☆I'm TheShinyMew!☆~''']] 15:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

:Guys and girls, we are updating pages as we can, this has just been announced. We aren't super computers, and no, we won't unprotect the pages for user help currently as not all the supporting templates have not been updated to allow them to display correctly as of yet. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It says prior to Generation IV (4) it was a pure Psychic type. This error is also on Marill and Jigglypuff pages. It should be VI (6) [[User:Zond|Zond]] ([[User talk:Zond|talk]]) 16:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Notable? ==

[[http://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl#Removed_Assist_Trophies |In the demo]] of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Gardevoir was an assist trophy instead of a Pokémon coming from a Poké Ball. Would this be worth noting in the Super Smash Bros. Brawl segment of the article? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 02:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== Can a staff member add the BW118 Pokédex entry, I have it already finished below. ==

{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW118|Gardevoir|Ash's Pokédex|Gardevoir, the Embrace Pokémon. If Gardevoir's trainer needs protecting, Gardevoir creates a small black hole by using all of its psychic power.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

cheers [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
:Added. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::thank you [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:35, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== BW122 ==

Could a staff member kindly add the dub title of BW122: ''What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals'', to the anime section? Thank you! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 17:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

Maybe we can add spill casters to there possible inspiration? They seam to were robes or gowns, they are the types that analog magic, and they have stats like a spill caster[[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] ([[User talk:Random Chaos|talk]]) 00:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)♥
:You mean a ''spell''caster? I suppose that's sort of plausible, though equating Special Attack with magic is a bit assumptive and might get reverted as speculation/fanon. Please work on your spelling and grammar, though. You're barely comprehensible. (I still can't figure out what you mean by "{{wp|analog}} magic".) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could a staff member kindly add the title of [[BW125]], ''Cilan and the Case of the Purrloin Witness!'' to the anime section? Thanks! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:Done. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

== Unnecessary Trivia ==

''Despite its human-like appearance, it isn't in the {{egg|Human-Like}} Egg Group.''

Could this trivia point be removed? I don't have editing permission so I can't remove it myself. This piece of trivia seems dangerously close to the "Despite its Pokédex entries mentioning this Pokémon has... (ability), it cannot learn (move)/have (ability)." trivia which isn't allowed on pages, also several Pokémon are human-like yet aren't in the Human-Like group (such as {{p|Gallade}}, {{p|Mawile}} etc.) so this trivia piece is irrelevant. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 09:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I dissagre, it should be put back because it is good triva. For gallade, you can put the same thing and mawile is not that much human-like. can someone back me up. FOR GARDEVOIR. [[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 17:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Nope. I already won. Trivia point can't be added back in.-[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 18:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== Type Matchup Chart ==

Should Gardevoir have 2 Type effectiveness charts: One for Gen VI and one prior to Gen VI? {{unsigned|Dark Rust}}
:Nope. Our current one is fine. It has parameters to mark the changes that were made. Someone just needs to update it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Gardevoir = Fairy Princess? ==
Could Mga Gardevoir's design be based on the idea of a fairy princess? It's a Faory type and is wearing what looks like a princess gown [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 15:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Gardevoir itself looks more like a bishonen (guy with feminine features, common in anime, manga etc.) of the magical knight variety than a fairy princess, so no. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 15:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution/Branch Evolution Trivia ==

I would think that it is worth noting in the Trivia section that Gardevoir is the only Pokémon capable of Mega Evolving that is also part of a branched evolution tree. {{unsigned|MutantGerbil00}}

== Anime Debut ==

It says that Gardevoir made its debut anime appearance in [[AG109]], but wouldn't its appearance in [[M07|Destiny Deoxys]] count as an anime appearance? And that's not a rhetorical question; I actually want to know. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 21:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Lower body ==

The biology section's comment on Gardevoir's lower body seems to imply that it doesn't have legs. However, [[Pokédex 3D Pro]] shows that this is obviously not the case. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 22:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:"It has long, slender, white legs underneath the gown, and green hair that curls down the sides of its head."--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:Well, that's embarrassing.[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 17:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

== Added origin content ==

The page says that Gardevoir seems to be based off of a ballroom dancer. I would like to argue that Gardevoir, like Kirlia, is based off of a principle ballet dancer. If you look at Gardevoir's legs in 3D models, you can see that they ended in a tapered point. This suggested that Gardevoir--again like Kirlia--is raised 'en pointe' in their stance. Gardevoir's 'dress' is very similar to the dresses that the older and more traditional ballet dancers wore back in the 1800's. This style of dress is still seen today in The Nutcracker, Swan Lake, and many lyrical dances. Gardevoir's shoulders are also noticeably lowered; a technical aspect that is drilled into all ballet dancers very early on. [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 03:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:*Wait, wasn't Gardevoir also supposed to have been based off of a magical knight in a way? ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
::seeing as Gardevoir's japanese name is Sirknight, addin in that its possibly based on a knight mage/magical knoght makes sense. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:25, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Can I point out that at level 17 the move learnt is 'lucky chant', not 'wish' as stated. {{unsigned|Cidare}}
:Although {{p|Ralts}} and {{p|Kirlia}} learn the move at that level, this is the page for Gardevoir, where (if it was possible), at level 17 Gardevoir would learn {{m|Wish}}. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

== the main picture? ==

Okay,I don't know what that picture is normally called,but in that picture,gardevoir's fin/horn thingy and eyes are black,instead of red.. Shouldn't it be replaced with more correct one? [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 22:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:It looks fine to me. I'm not sure what you're seeing. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I don't know,it's just that it has always been depicted with the color red,and the top picture has its eye and fin colored black/grey... Right? I actually asked people to see what color it is to make sure I'm not colorblind.. I'm sorry if I'm being troublesome.[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 06:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It's red on my display. Perhaps there is an issue with your monitor? I assure you the picture on the page is the official art and Gardevoir's fins and eyes are quite red. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::::oh yeah.. I switched to another device and it's red.. .It's still kind of odd though that it could appear black on some device. again,sorry for the trouble.[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 11:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

== Japanese romanization ==

I observed that the romanization of the japanese name has been changed following the Pokken Tournament news, and since there were two versions of the romanized name (Sirnight and Surnight) in two different pictures of the same article, I decided to add both of them. However, my edit was undid because Surnight "isn't official". How can it be determined which one is the "official" one? --[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] ([[User talk:Caciulacdlac|talk]]) 23:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:Could you show me the pictures (or links)? --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 14:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
::Caciulacdlac [[User talk:Caciulacdlac#Surknight|was referring to]] a [[a:File:Pokkén Bana Passports.jpg|Bulbanews image]]. I believe it was some sort of error, though: see the [http://pokkentournament.jp/#2 current Pokken site]/[http://pokkentournament.jp/img/news/entry02.png image], and "[http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m129962710#enlargeimg in the wild]". I can't trace the Bulbanews image to an official site (perhaps it was updated precisely because of that error). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:::The Bulbanews image came from [http://www.famitsu.com/news/201501/23070067.html here] (although this image also appeared during the NicoNico livestream). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 18:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

== Hoenn Dex Number in Gen 3 vs. Hoenn Dex Number in OR/AS. ==

I added some Trivia that explains that Gardevoir is the last Pokémon in the Hoenn PokéDex to have the same number in both versions of that Regional Dex, but it got removed for being "too complicated".
How do I say it without making it sound as so? [[User:SquirtleLover1999|SquirtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:SquirtleLover1999|talk]]) 06:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)SquirtleLover1999
:Probably best to stop worrying about it. Trying to continually reword trivia to shoehorn it into an acceptable state is usually a waste of time; if it's not notable with one phrasing, it's probably not gonna be notable with any other phrasing, either. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:24, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
::Okay, but I forgot to mention that I added that whole thing because Yanma has Trivia of a similar topic on it, so I decided to do the same with Gardevoir. [[User:SquirtleLover1999|SquirtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:SquirtleLover1999|talk]]) 06:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)SquirtleLover1999

== Mega Gardevoir Image ==

Why was it reverted to a lower quality version? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 06:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Courtney

2018-06-17T02:03:47Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Delta Episode */

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'''Courtney''' (Japanese: '''カガリ''' ''Kagari'') is one of the {{tc|Magma Admin|Admin}}s of [[Team Magma]].

==In the games==
Courtney plays a key role in the main story in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s|Pokémon Ruby}} and its remake {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Pokémon Omega Ruby}} as an Admin to the main villainous team, [[Team Magma]]. Her appearances in the corresponding games Pokémon Sapphire and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire are limited to minor appearances, as [[Team Aqua]] are the main villains of these games.

In Pokémon Ruby, Courtney is first encountered at the [[Weather Institute]] attempting to steal {{p|Castform|the weather Pokémon}}. She later boards the [[Submarine Explorer 1|submarine]] descending towards the [[Seafloor Cavern]] in order to awaken {{p|Groudon}}. She is battled by the {{player}} before Magma Leader [[Maxie]]. In Pokémon Sapphire, {{tc|Aqua Admin}} [[Shelly]] fulfills the same role.

Due to the nature of {{game|Emerald}} combining the stories of Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire, Courtney isn't battled at all, as her role in Ruby is taken by Shelly. She only makes a brief non-talking cameo appearance alongside Maxie and [[Tabitha]] at the Seafloor Cavern after [[Archie]] awakens {{p|Kyogre}}.

In Pokémon Omega Ruby, Courtney sends a recon team, including [[Zinnia]], to investigate and steal the [[Devon Parts]] for Team Magma; upon failing, the recon team warns her about the player. She eventually discovers the location of the [[Red Orb]] and informs Maxie, causing the him to cancel the operation at [[Mt. Chimney]]. Courtney is next seen at [[Southern Island]], trying to steal {{p|Latios}} and the [[Latiosite]] for Team Magma, but is stopped by the player and [[Steven Stone]], summoned by {{p|Latias}} to help. She later accompanies Maxie to Mt. Pyre, where they retrieve the Red Orb. When the player arrives and tries to stop them, Maxie has Courtney battle him/her while he departs to steal the [[Submarine Explorer 1]] at [[Slateport City]]. When the player invades the [[Team Magma Hideout]], Courtney once again battles him/her in order to buy time for Maxie to leave for Seafloor Cavern unobstructed. She later watches on as the {{a|Desolate Land|harsh sunlight}} dispels upon Groudon's defeat or capture.

In the [[Delta Episode]], Courtney plots to fulfill Maxie's crushed dream and takes matters into her own hands. She is encountered in [[Petalburg City]] harassing [[Wally]], in the search for her own [[Key Stone]]. Wally insists that he does not have his Key Stone any more, as it was recently stolen by [[Zinnia]]. She then battles the {{player}} in an attempt to steal their Key Stone, and after the battle leaves for [[Meteor Falls]]. It is there whereupon she obtains her own Key Stone and with it launches an attack of the [[Mossdeep Space Center]]. She and a {{tc|Team Magma Grunt}} battle in a tag battle with [[Steven Stone]] and the player, during which she shows her ability to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] her {{p|Camerupt}}. After being stopped, Zinnia appears and Zinnia's {{p|Whismur}} steals Courtney's Key Stone.

In these games, Courtney is characterized by her bizarre speech patterns, which often involve pauses between words and speaking in a way that sounds robotic. She displays little to no emotion, but she looks up to [[Maxie]]. Courtney has high intelligence and was once a scientist. When she becomes interested in someone or something, she will not be deterred from it.<ref>[http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/characters/team-magma-and-team-aqua/team-magma-admin-courtney Official site]</ref> Her role in Pokémon Omega Ruby is fulfilled in Pokémon Alpha Sapphire by [[Aqua Admin Matt]].

====Pokémon Ruby====
=====First battle=====
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=====Second battle=====
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====Pokémon Omega Ruby====
=====First battle=====
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|ability=Levitate
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=====Third battle=====
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=====Fourth battle=====
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=====Fifth battle=====
{{Party/Tag
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{{Party/Footer}}

====Quotes====
=====Pokémon Ruby=====
;Weather Institute
* Before battle
:''"Ahahahaha! You're going to meddle in <sc>Team Magma</sc>'s affairs? You're either absolutely fearless, simply ignorant, or both! You're so cute, you're disgusting! I'll put you down, kiddy!"''

* Being defeated
:''"Ahahahaha! You're disgustingly strong!"''

* After being defeated
:''"Ahahahaha! We got meddled with unexpectedly! We're out of options. We'll have to pull out. But this isn't the last you'll see of <sc>Team Magma</sc>! We have other plans! Don't you forget it!"''

;Seafloor Cavern
* Before battle
:''"Ahahahaha! How did you manage to get here without a submarine? What an impressive child! But... It won't do to have you meddling about here. And, I do want payback for what happened at the <sc>Weather Institute</sc>... I'm going to give you a little taste of pain! Resign yourself to it!"''

* Being defeated
:''"Ahahahaha! Ouch!"''

* After being defeated
:''"Ahahahaha! You're so darn strong. It's terribly disappointing that you're not a <sc>Team Magma</sc> member. You could have enjoyed the fabulous world our <sc>Boss</sc> has promised to one of our own..."''

=====Pokémon Omega Ruby=====
;Southern Island
* Before battle
:''"... Who are you?"''
:''"Yes. For the time being...get away from me. The Pokémon behind you... Its [[Mega Stone]]... No more...no less. That is what... That's what we of Team Magma seek. How about it? Will you get away from me... or not?"''
:''"... Well then..."''
:''"Deleting..."''

* Being defeated
:''"... Slurp. ♪"''

* After being defeated
:''"As anticipated. Unanticipated. You. Target lock...completed. Commencing...experiment. You. Forever. Aha... ♪"''
:''"Returning home."''

'''Mt. Pyre'''
* Before battle
:''"...Ha."''
:''"... ...Analyzing."''
:''"'''...Hah. ♪"''

* Being defeated
:''"...Funny. ♪"''

* After being defeated
:''"...Again? That's unanticipated. ...I knew it. You...are interesting! ...Haha. ♪"''
:''"I'm looking forward to... I'm looking forward to... When we...can meet again."''

;Team Magma Hideout
* Before battle
:''"... ... ...I knew you would come."''
:''"...Too bad, though. ...It's all over now. ♪ ...The submarine has been upgraded."''
:''"...Look. ♪ ...At that drill. ...With that...even the seal on the Seafloor Cavern is in for a walloping! ♪"''
:''"... ...There's still more...work for me to do. ...I must...stop you. ...Until Leader Maxie...departs... ...But... ...Now...I just...want to... ...With you... ...I want to...engage... ...You... ...I want to...analyze. Ahahaha. ♪"''

* Being defeated
:''"Hah hah... Uhn...hah hah..."''

* After being defeated
:''"... ...Change...the world."''
:''"...Leader Maxie... ... ...Mission... ...Complete. ...Leader Maxie...has departed. ...For the development...of humanity. ...For our...dreams... ...To you...whom I had not foreseen. ...I will give a hint. ...So that you...may dream...the same dream as us. ...Leader Maxie...is headed for...the sea stretching out from Lilycove. ...In the depths of the sea...lies the Seafloor Cavern. ...What are you...going to do? ...Looking around...in seaside towns. ...That might work. ...Ahaha. ♪"''
:''"...I don't know...what you could do to get there. ...Even if I knew...I wouldn't tell. ...Ahaha. ♪"''

======[[Delta Episode]]======
;Petalburg City
* Before battle
:''"Tedious...bothersome...child...You should...just be quiet...and give me...the [[Key Stone]]!"''
:''"I already know...that you can...use...[[Mega Evolution]]!"''
:''"...?!"''
:''"...You."''
:''"Aha. ♪ Nice timing...maybe. ♪ I'll be taking...yours first! Give me...the Key Stone!"''

* Being defeated
:''"Just barely..."''

* After being defeated
:''"Huh..."''
:''"...No! You're always meddling! If that's...how it is...at [[Meteor Falls]]...the Leader's...Key Stone..."''

;Mossdeep Space Center
:''"...Last...hope...?"''
:''"...Ha ha. ♪ Ahahaha! ♪ Ahahahaha haha! ♪ ♪ ♪ Ahahahaha hahahahahahaha! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ... My team...The team I put all hope into...Leader Maxie...was broken. He was broken! He was broken by this brat!"''
:''"'''Grr...Shut up! Enough! I've have enough of this world!"''
:''"Aha! ♪ I know... ♪ Inside that rocket is the same amount—no, even more—Pokémon life energy than what powered the [[ultimate weapon]] in the war 3,000 years ago."''
:''"Ahaha! ♪ I think we're in for an impact so big it will surpass the massive explosion that ended the war! I don't know what all this talk of a meteoroid is, but I have no need of it. Here, by my own hand... I'll make this rocket explode...And bring an end to this world..."''
:''"I will...fix...Project AZOTH! Of course, I'll also destroy this dimensional shifter that's supposed to warp the asteroid away someplace, too. ♪"''

* Before battle
:''"'''Don't. Get. In. My. Way.'''"''

* Being defeated
:''"...Just barely!"''

* After being defeated
:''"Why? Why must...you always...Always, always, always, always...Get in my way!"''
:''"'''Darn! Dang it..."''
:''"'''Huh?!"''
:''"'''Wha...What..."''
:''"Wha...Errgh!"''
:''"Our...leader...Leader Maxie's...Key Stone. Is she trying...to steal it?! No...no...

'''Team Magma Hideout'''
:''"..."''
:''"..."''
:''"..."''
:''"Y-yes?!"''
:''"Hu-huh?! Ow...ch..."''
:''"I'm sorry! Leader Maxie, I'm sorry! I won't do it...anymore! I'll never do anything...like that...again! So please...Forgive...Forgive me."''
:''"Wah...wah...Sniffle..."''
:''"Sniff...sniffle...Ohh...ooh..."''
:''"Huh?"''
:''"Wahh... Uwahh... Waahhh! Waahhh... Of course I will!"''
* Subsequent visits
:''"Welcome."''
:''"Glad to see you looking well."''

=====Pokémon Alpha Sapphire=====
;[[Battle Resort]]
:''"...Fight!"''
:''"'''...Ma'am?!'''"''
:''"'''I'll...make [[Wally|him]] cry...'''"''
:''"Might be...nice..."''
:''"...Yes?"''
:''"You...seem fun. ♪ Target...locked... Aha. ♪"''

===Sprites===
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|-
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| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Magma Grunt F OD.png]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}} and {{color2|000|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}"| [[File:VSCourtney.png|200px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}"| [[File:Courtney ORAS OD.png|x140px]]
|-
| VS portrait from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby}}
| Overworld model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby}}
|}

==In the anime==

===In Pokémon Generations===
[[File:Magma Admin Courtney PG.png|thumb|250px|Courtney in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
Courtney first appeared in ''[[PG07|The Vision]]''. She was initially seen guarding the [[Submarine Explorer 1]] at the [[Team Magma Hideout]], and later stayed behind as [[Maxie]] and [[Tabitha]] left for the [[Seafloor Cavern]]. While she was alone, she experienced a vision of [[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Groudon}} attacking [[Team Magma]] with {{m|Solar Beam}}. However, before she could mull over the vision's meaning, she is interrupted by the arrival of {{ga|Brendan}} and his {{p|Sceptile}}, and she sent out her {{p|Camerupt}} to battle them.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|width=68
|trainer=Courtney
|pkmn=Camerupt
|img=Courtney Camerupt PG.png
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ground
|epnum=PG07
|epname=The Vision
|desc={{p|Camerupt}} is Courtney's only known Pokémon. It was seen being sent out to battle {{ga|Brendan}}'s {{p|Sceptile}}.

None of Camerupt's moves are known.}}

====Voice actors====
{{vatable|color={{ruby color light}}|bordercolor={{ruby color}}
|ja=福圓美里 ''[[Misato Fukuen]]''
|en=Sandy Fox
|es_eu=Roser Vilches}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Courtney Adventures.png|thumb|200px|The first Courtney in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In Pokémon Adventures, "Courtney" is the codename given to Admins of Team Magma. There are two known people given the codename Courtney.

====First Courtney====
The first Courtney debuted in the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}. She is one of the Three Fires of Team Magma, alongside Tabitha and [[Blaise]]. Like other members of Team Magma, the horns on Courtney's hood can be removed to reveal a special lighter that can transmit and record images through its flame. Courtney also wears gloves that gain specific abilities through combining the juices of Berries. With a [[Tamato Berry]], it can temporarily blind the target if the burning juices comes in contact with their eyes; with a {{b|Pomeg}} and [[Kelpsy Berry]], it creates a sticky adhesive that prevents the held target from escaping; with a {{b|Qualot}} and [[Hondew Berry]] mixed with the acid of a {{p|Weepinbell}}, it becomes a corrosive that can melt through walls and flesh easily. Like the other Three Fires, Courtney specializes in using flames to her advantage. In her case, she uses fire to burn her opponents to ash.

She first appears alongside Tabitha on the [[Abandoned Ship]], where they were sent to obtain the [[Scanner]] hidden aboard. There, they meet {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}}, both of which attempt to keep the Scanner out of Courtney and Tabitha's hands. In the end, Ruby and Sapphire escape, but Courtney and Tabitha manage to obtain the Scanner. The Scanner is later given to Blaise, who modifies it to search for the [[Colored orbs|Red and Blue Orbs]]. At Slateport City, Courtney, Tabitha, and Blaise are sent to capture [[Captain Stern]] and his assistant, [[Dock]] in order to obtain the Submarine Explorer 1. In the end, Blaise manages to obtain the submarine for Team Magma's use.

At Rusturf Tunnel, Courtney leads several Team Magma Grunts in helping raise the energy level of the land by creating earthquake's to stimulate the earth's crust as well as looking for the Red Orb. When she notices Ruby is there, Courtney leaves the Grunts behind to forcibly take Ruby further inside the tunnel. With no one around, Courtney forces Ruby to battle her since no one can see him fight. During the fight, Courtney attempts to convince Ruby to join Team Magma since she shares his love of beauty. Ruby refuses the offer and manages to trap Courtney in a sea of fire as he escapes to safety. Courtney survives the flames, but decides to hand over the search for the Red Orb over to Blaise. She then decides to take a leave of absence from Team Magma due to gaining an interest in Ruby.

When {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} are awakened, Courtney is called by her teammates to return to action. When the Gym Leaders split into groups in an attempt to stop both Pokémon, the Admins of Teams Magma and Aqua split up to stop them. Courtney is paired up against Roxanne, who has stopped Groudon from moving with her {{p|Nosepass}}'s {{m|Block}}. After dragging Roxanne to an abandoned Lilycove City to battle, the two face each other in Cove Lily Motel. Roxanne's strong defenses prevent Courtney from defeating her, but she is forced to surrender when Courtney takes three people hostage. With Roxanne defeated, Groudon is freed from Block, allowing it to advance once again.

During the battle between Groudon and Kyogre, Courtney appears to Ruby as he trains with Sapphire on {{gdis|Mirage Island|III}}. She reveals to Ruby that she only joined Team Magma for her own amusement and that the events of Groudon and Kyogre's awakening has spiraled out of Team Magma and Aqua's expectations. Courtney offers to help stop the two super-ancient Pokémon by using one of the two Orbs used to control Groudon and Kyogre. Once Ruby and Sapphire had set off of Mirage Island to fight Groudon and Kyogre, Sapphire is locked inside an aircar by Ruby, who gives Courtney the Blue Orb. The two use the Orbs to try and control Groudon and Kyogre, but due to the lack of training needed to control the Orbs, Courtney is unable to use it to its full potential. During the battle, Courtney is grabbed by a tentacle and knocked to the ground. Just before she is dragged away, Courtney gives Ruby a message that his father will be coming with {{p|Rayquaza}} to help stop the fight. The tentacle drags Courtney into the collapsing [[Cave of Origin]], which crushes her to death.

Once Archie and Maxie were defeated, Ruby used his {{p|Celebi}} to revive all the people that were killed in the final battle. Courtney is brought back to life thanks to Celebi's [[time travel]] abilities. Afterward, Courtney leaves to pursue a normal life and begins cultivating Berries.

In the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}, she is seen in a flashback of Ruby's after he and {{adv|Emerald}} were informed by Steven about the upcoming disaster about to strike Hoenn. There, Ruby decides that the two of them should look at Courtney's memories in her Memory Lighter that she had given to him. While looking through them they both discover that Zinnia had infiltrated Team Magma and was the one who had given them information regarding Groudon.

In the Chuang Yi translations, she is known as '''Marge'''.

=====Pokémon=====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Courtney
|pkmn=Swellow
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|img=Courtney Swellow Adventures.png
|epnum=PS199
|epname=Adding It Up with Plusle & Minun II
|desc={{p|Swellow}} is Courtney's first known Pokémon. It is mainly used for flight transportation.

None of Swellow's moves are known, and its Ability is {{a|Guts}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Courtney
|pkmn=Ninetales
|stage1=Vulpix
|type1=Fire
|gender=female
|img=Daisy Clefairy Courtney Vulpix Follow Me Tail Whip Adventures.png
|cap=Courtney's Vulpix
|img2=Courtney Ninetales Adventures.png
|epnum=PS199
|epname=Adding It Up with Plusle & Minun II
|desc={{p|Ninetales}} is Courtney's second known Pokémon and her main battling force. She was first used to battle Ruby and Sapphire on the Abandoned Ship. At Rusturf Tunnel, she battled against Ruby once again. At the Cove Lily Motel, she faced Roxanne's {{p|Cradily}}. She was unable to penetrate Cradily's defenses, but when Courtney took hostages, Roxanne was forced to surrender and allow Ninetales to defeat her Nosepass and free Groudon from {{m|Block}}. In a flashback shown in ''[[PS262|It All Ends Now III]]'', it was revealed that she owned Ninetales since she was a {{p|Vulpix}} and used her in [[Pokémon Contest]]s alongside [[Daisy Oak]].

Ninetales's known moves are {{m|Fire Spin}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}}, {{m|Tail Whip}} and {{m|Flamethrower}} and her Ability is {{a|Flash Fire}}.}}

====Second Courtney====
[[File:ORAS Courtney Adventures.png|thumb|200px|The second Courtney in Pokémon Adventures]]
In the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}, a second Courtney appears. This Courtney, along with a new Tabitha, is a member of Neo Team Magma (Japanese: '''新生マグマ団''' ''Neo Magma Gang''), having replaced the previous one.

At Mossdeep City, Courtney appears to help Zinnia in stopping the launch of a rocket that would stop the meteoroid threatening to destroy the world. Along with Matt, Courtney attacks Sapphire in order to distract her long enough for Zinnia to head to the rocket. Sapphire manages to dodge their attacks and escape into the air to continue her pursuit of Zinnia.

Later, the Admins are attacked by the Hoenn [[Frontier Brain]]s and are defeated. The Brains attempt to interrogate the Admins on Zinnia's whereabouts, but the Admins admit they don't know where she went to.

=====Pokémon=====
{{TrainerPoké
|width=74
|trainer=Courtney
|pkmn=Numel
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ground
|img=ORAS Courtney Numel Adventures.png
|img_size=150px
|epnum=PAORAS13
|epname=Omega Alpha Adventure 13
|desc={{p|Numel}} is Courtney's only known Pokémon. It was first used at Mossdeep City to attack Sapphire to prevent her from stopping Zinnia's plan. Sapphire managed to easily dodge Numel's flames.

None of Numel's moves are known.}}

==Trivia==
* Courtney is the only notable member of Team Magma or [[Team Aqua]] who cannot be battled in {{game|Emerald}}.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{ruby color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{ruby color}}"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| カガリ ''Kagari''
| From 篝火 ''kagaribi'', bonfire
|- style="background:#FFF"
|rowspan="2" | English
| Courtney
| From ''country'', an area of land
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Marge ([[Chuang Yi]])
| From ''[[Team Magma|magma]]'' and possibly ''match''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| French
| Courtney
| Same as English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Jördis
| From ''{{wp|Jörð}}'', personification of Earth in Norse mythology
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Rossella
| From ''rosso'', red
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish
| Carola
| From ''calor'', heat
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 구열 ''Guyeol''
| From 구화 (篝火) ''guhwa'' (bonfire), 열 (熱) ''yeol'' (heat), and 열 (烈) ''yeol'' (fiery)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 篝火 ''Gōuhuǒ''
| Literally means ''bonfire''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese (Mainland China)
| 篝火 ''Gōuhuǒ''{{tt|*|New Jilin Version}} 火雁 ''Huǒyàn''{{tt|*|Old Jilin Version}}
| Literally means ''bonfire''. Alternate reading of かがり ''kagari''. Also a homophone to 火焰 ''huǒyàn'' (flame).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Vietnamese
|Kagari
|Transliteration of her Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}

==Related articles==
* [[a:Category:Courtney|Images on the Bulbagarden Archives]]
* [[Shelly|Aqua Admin Shelly]]

==Notes==
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{{Team Magma}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Courtney}}
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[[Category:Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire characters]]
[[Category:Members of Team Magma]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Coordinators]]
[[Category:Pokémon Generations characters]]
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Talk:Brendan (game)

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==Is this article still a stub?==
I mean, it has lots of information... is it a stub or no?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
:I don't think it is, but it's all at the discrepancy of the editor. If you think it isn't anymore, go on and take it off. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 04:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

== Article name ==

Ok, what's up with this double redirect?
Brendan (game) →‎ Brendan →‎ Brendan (game character)
Which should it be at? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see a point of moving this article from [[Brendan]] to [[Brendan (game character)]]--[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::Someone random user moved this, and many other articles last night. (Including, in the most bizarre move I've ever seen, moving Blue (game) to Kinkajou) It was originally just '''Brendan'''. I'm guessing that's what the article should be moved back to. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 17:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No, I think the weirdest one was the moving of Wally to Wally (character). I mean - what other Wally would there be? ><' --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 18:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Brother ==

Just a quick question, I've played the Sapphire version, and I don't remember the rival (be it Brendan or May) ever having a brother. Is it only in the Emerald version or something? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]]

Yes. It was only in emerald in which the rival had a younger brother. Most likely a refrence of [[Max]] ~[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]]

Ok. Maybe I could note it in both article with one of those asterisk thingies -- what's the tag for that, please? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]]

Nevermind, got it. [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]]

== Brendan in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]??? ==
Please post all comments under [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl#Brendan???]] [[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]][[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]] 01:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Okay... so. ==

Question: There's no other Brendan, but there's also no other Lucas. All of the other game protagonists are at name (game), why not Brendan too? After all, we do the autodisambig for all Pokémon, why not for all game characters? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I understand the logic behind it, but it's pointless after all. There's only one Brendan in the canon. The one who got two cameos in anime isn't notable enough to deserve separate article and be considered as a separate character. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't like have (game) either. It's just like having "[Move Name] (move)", what's the point? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 18:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I concur, It is USELESS TO HAVE GAME THERE[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']] 19:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Because [[Double Team]] is a trainer class, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yea, and [[Psychic]] is a disambig too. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's fine to have them like that, but what else in the game is called Hydro Pump? Absorb? Ice Beam? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 16:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Because then we have an issue like Wikipedia does with gold followed by mercury, and Mercury followed by Venus. Here we have the link templates that take care of eeeeeverything. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question question... ==

Has he been seen in his Emerald outfit in the anime, or just his RS outfit? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

:Only his Ruby/Sapphire outfit. Yes, even in [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|the ninth movie]], which came after {{v2|Emerald}}'s release. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Likely because May was still in hers, then, I'd bet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

===Okay, how about now?===
May appeared in her Emerald clothes. Brendan fought Lucas in the opening of GatSB as far as I've heard. Was he in the Emerald clothes? Was Lucas in the DP clothes? Who had what? And WHY HAS LEAF NOT YET APPEARED IN THE ANIME? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:I heard that too and mabye Leaf have a cameo or never will appear -_---[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 23:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I saw him in Emerald clothes in the 12th movie, but others say that he was in RS outfit...TwT PD: Yes, he was in Emerald outfit, but it's not the exactly of the game. In the Pokémon Sunday video appears the RS artwork just to confirm that he was, but you can see the Emerald outfit clearly. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 04:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

==D/P==
Do anyone knows if Brendan appears in the 11th movie with his Emerald clothes??.... Yeah, he does. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 02:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

==About Brendan and his clothes in the 11th movie==
Okay, this is beginning in controversy. I see the Emerald outfit there, and I'm not the only. Just, like in my talk page, compare this two images, one from the 7th or 9th movie, an the other from the Pokémon Sunday video of the 11th movie.
Brendan in R/S clothes:

[[Image:Brendan Swampert Ice Beam.png]]

This is obvious, the red is there.

And this:

Why do anymore see the green and the orange there? I know that the R/S outfit have the sleeves longest, but just the clothes are not exactly as of the games. Lucas' outfit is more blue, but in the game is totaly black.
But, I recommend that just wait for a HQ image, or the movie online, and do not comment that. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 03:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

==White thingey...==
Can someone tell me what white stuff Brendan has on his head? O.O [[User:Madch94|Madch94]] 00:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:His hair. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:I think its a beanie/hairnet type thing [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 00:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
::The manga shows that, but it's left ambiguous in the games and anime. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

==Brendan and May==
I need help, this may sound silly but it would really understand more, you see, as you very well know, in the game, Brendan and May can be chosen as a playable character, and if you choose may then, may'll have a mother while Brendan will have a father (which is Prof Birch) and that's how things can be accounted for in the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald games, if Brendan is referred to as the rival, then he'll select a stronger pokemon then May and from then on he'l keep that throughout the story.

Well in the anime, it acts the same way, in the movies, he appears as the owner of a mudkip while May is torchic's trainer, i wouldn't think this is so if Brendan never made an anime appearance but since he did, does this mean he is the son of Prof Birch?, i'm not to sure, but i think the game rules applies in the anime as well, it's like the anime itself choose May as the primary player so maybe this would be true and in the game, May and Brendan talked to each other, does May even know who Brendan is?. [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 13:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:I know this message is rather old, but I think it is probably quite liklely that he is Birch's son in the anime. Or at least, it seems logical. Brendan most certainly does exist in the anime world, but whether May knows him or not, we will probably never know... [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Champion of Hoenn==
In the Anime Wallace said that he is no longer the champion and Steven Stone seems to have a simular appearance to Emerald could that mean Brendan is the champion? [[User:Tsg812|Tsg812]]
9:41 PM, 24 August 2008
:Explain[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
::I'd imagine the explanation to go like so: if Wallace, in the DP saga, is not Hoenn's current acting Champion of the E4, and Steven having made no indication, way back in Dewford, that he was Champion then or ever, and also not indicating he's shooting for that position, would perhaps Brendan be Champion. My vote: no. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 03:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

==Sibling theory==

I have noticed that Brendan and May could be siblings. This also applies to Dawn and Lucas. Whichever character the player chooses to be, they will come from the same town, have the same mother and father etc. They may be from separate families in the game, but Dawn and Lucas also have similar hair tone. This may have been obvious to some people already, but should it be mentioned in their articles? [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Über speculation--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 21:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't sound plausible to me. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say that they "have the same mother and father", but are "from separate families", that sounds like a contradiction. The gender the player chooses at the start pretty much sets the canon for the player character and the alternate-gender-turned rival (which, of course, is unwieldy when writing about the games at times), so either May is Birch's daughter or Brendan is Birch's son, but never both/neither in the same save file in game canon. Same goes for Dawn and Lucas and their respective family situations. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think they mean they may be cousins. I don't think they're cousins,they don't appear to know each other,and their parents don't act family like [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 05:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:That's unlikely, because the character you choose in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald originally came from Johto (at least that's what an NPC in Petalburg says in Ruby and Sapphire; Emerald's text is more vague and simply says "a faraway place") and the character you didn't choose isn't mentioned as being from a region other than Hoenn. As for Dawn and Lucas, the character you didn't choose lives in a different town than the one you chose. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 01:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== (Game), In the anime. ==

Does anyone else see something strange in the fact that the very first section of this article, Brendan '''(game)''', is about some cameos in the ''anime''? Either that shouldn't be in the article at all, or it should be moved to a spot underneath the game information. -[[User:Stephen93|Stephen93]] 16:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most consider an anime appearance for a character to be major. Despite not being first, the anime's likely the most known part of the franchise... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==His hat==

Shouldn't that be un-determinded? He may just have a baggy hairdo,and 2 colors of hair. That's somewhat common in anime. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 05:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:He took it off in the manga revealing that he had black hair underneath. Though... it is just in the manga that was shown in. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:Yea,I know that. I should have made it more clear,I meant the game Brendan. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 18:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well we have no proof that it is his hair in the games so we have to go by what's said in the manga. Though the fact that one of Pikachu's alternate costumes in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|SSBB]] is just the headband and not the white part raises some questions. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Or we could argue that there is no proof it anywhere ''but'' the manga. There are significant differences between the manga and other forms of continuity, and we shouldn’t make assumptions that one thing is true everywhere else. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 00:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Sorry to intrude on a two month old conversation..Then maybe we should remove the quote about his hair from the article,or modify it [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
His sideburns, eyebrows, and the hair on the back of his head (clearly visible in his back sprite) are black, making it look like he has black hair like his manga counterpart (as well as Norman). I think it's more ambiguous as to whether he's wearing a hat or a combination of a wig and a headband. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Just because black hair sticking out from under the headband doesn't mean it's a wig or hat (Though it's definitely a hat in the manga, but that's just in the manga as far as we know). He could just as easily have a hairstyle similar to Chaud from the Megaman Battle Network games, where the hair is mostly white but with black sideburns and around the back.

== Trivia ==

In the appearance part if the article, it says that he is the one that battled Bruno in the first episode. Is this even plausible? [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 22:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== His anime cameo ==

Can we maybe get a larger screenshot of him? We hardly see him. Wasn't he seen closer up in Giratina? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, he was much further out in Giratina. I'm finding it hard to make him out, even apparently in HD. All you see of him is the small version in the background, and you can see most of his portrait on the screen in the top-right a few seconds later, but again very small. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Should we really refer to him as wearing a hat? ==

Some official arts show him with his "hair" being floppy like a hat(though,I doubt that is canon since that art shows May with brown eyes),others don't. Some show him with black side burns,others don't. Some show him with [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/21jwt2b.jpg white] hair,others don't. Just because the back of his sprite's head is black,doesn't mean anything. He could have black and white hair,and that could be a hat but he can still have black and white hair. He could be just wearing a headband,similar to May's bandanna(gender counterparts tend to wear similar headgear). Should we leave it as un-confirmed? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:There are a lot of different possible options that seem to be out there. I'd say based on the Emerald artwork (and ever so slightly from his manga counterpart) to sick with the fact he has a hat and black hair.
:Besides, long white hair on a 10-year-old kid? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::Ever heard of {{wp|Ryo Bakura}}? Young kid, long white hair. Also Near from {{wp|Death Note}} is young with white hair. It's classic anime hair. Also, what about [[Tory Lund]]? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Should that quote be left in the article,or changed? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/8/8f/Chaud.jpg My, this boy seems to have black side burns as well.] I suppose his hair must also be a hat? I'm editing the article to include mention that the hat is only explicitly so in the Manga. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not to jump in on a huge despute or anything, but in this art he doesn't look like he has black sideburns http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj34/AnimexGirlX/Pokemon/Poke%20Special%20Group/pokemon_screen001.jpg?t=1250402808 The skin coloring is too light to tell, but it could be white sideburns. Either way, for all we know he dyed his hair and roots have grown out (so his sideburns are black, as well as the back of his hair, but the top is white). :P Just speculation here, but i think it'd be best to not take sides in the article itself. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::His sideburns never really became apparent until the Emerald art was released. So basing an argument on the R/S art isn't exactly going to work... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the white "hair" is his hat because Norman has dark coloured hair. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== His figures.. ==

Are they canon? If so, maybe we can use them in the "hair or hat" part of the article? They show him wearing a hat, right? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Only rivals you cannot name? ==

What about Wally, and the Pseudo Rivals, you can't name them. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Pseudo-rivals are pseudo-rivals, and Wally is never ''officially'' classified as a rival. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Green Pokeball? ==

What is with that Pokeball he is holding in his original official art? What ball is that? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:He borrowed it from <s>dream!Ash MY MEMORY FAILS</s> Bruno in the first episode, obviously.
:Seriously though, it could be a Nest Ball or (much much less likely) a Friend Ball. Or Sugimori could have been drunk at the time he colored it. It's hard to tell. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's not any known ball. There's a thing on it on the [[Poké Ball]] page under "Green Poké Balls". [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== name meaning ==
the japanese name yuki means snow while brendan comes from old english brandon meaning hill covered with bloom... could we add that... [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 03:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 03:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== Anime screenshots ==
The section says it needs a new screenshot. So..I decided to try and get one myself. I got a [http://img338.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=image2qh.jpg few], and a few of Brendan's back (to see his hat, just in case anyone wants to mention his anime counterpart in that hat section). Will any of them do? [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 03:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:The CN logo is very unflattering. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Hat confirmed? ==

Earlier today, Sugimori apparently responded to someone over his Twitter that Brendan indeed wears a hat. I say ''apparently'' because I used Google Translate to get this. Can someone please translate this into a more accurate translation so it can be confirmed?

http://i.imgur.com/VgMW6.png
[[User:Joltik|Joltik]] 01:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

:Ataro removed the trivia thing about hat or not from the page altogether, but could something be mentioned about there being a lot of confusion until Sugimori confirmed it? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 20:13, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== His hair underneath is actually Brown in the game..? ==

I was playing Ruby the other day and hooked it up to my Colosseum XD Gale of Darkness and noticed his hair on the sides, back, and his eye brows and eye's are infact brown. So he must have brown hair in the games, and black hair in the manga. It is too hard to see if he has brown hair in the anime. How did anyone not notice this?! Also, I predict that that thing on Brendan's head is a hat and will stay with him on the remake. I also believe they may change some of the things on their outfits for the remake's as well. It is also very believable that the remakes will be released after Pokemon Grey, which should come out next year. It is not confirmed that Grey will be the name, but is is most likely, seeing as the first to were Pokemon Black and White Version. {{unsigned|Ruka Roaw}}
:Okay, please don't think I'm mean for this, but 1) there is no Colosseum XD Gale of Darkness. Which do you mean? 2) His sprites in the GBA games clearly show black hair. I don't think his headshots from either Colosseum or XD look like brown hair, but I may not be seeing them clearly enough. 3) I'm not sure what exactly what you would want changed even if it IS brown, but again I didn't examine the article for mentions of hair color. 4) I'm pretty sure '''this is not the place for predictions or speculation.''' 5) No Hoenn remakes have been scheduled or announced, as far as I know, so please don't act like it's guaranteed. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 23:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::Also, there's no need to predict on the hat. Please read the section above. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 23:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== Hair color ==

I know Brendan's hair color is black, bu on the image where he gives Torchic the ribbon, it looks like he has more of a light hair color. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:It's most likely an error in the animation, I don't think it's that notable. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

::I know that this is an old topic, but in the new Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire artwork his hair color has been changed from black to brown. Should this be added in his infobox? [[User:Evacino|'''evacino''']][[User talk:Evacino|''' (talk)''']] 21:51, 10 August 2014 (BST)

== FireRed and LeafGreen sprite? ==

Where did that sprite come from? Is it actually used in FireRed and LeafGreen or is it just dummied-out data? Either way, there should be something on the page explaining it. --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 16:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
:Could be from trading between FRLG and RSE. If it's anything like the other games, you see the other player in the overworld. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
::Yep, that's where it's used. It also goes the other direction, and explains why Red and Leaf have Hoenn-style sprites in Emerald for the same reason. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 18:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

== Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire Artwork ==

[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Brendan.png Has been uploaded to the Archives]. Can someone add it to the article's infobox? '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 19:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
:Added and the article has been updated accordingly. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

== New name in ORAS? ==

In the ORAS demo, his name is "Orlando".

Is this an official name change or...?
[[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 19:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
:It's a placeholder name. Whenever a new game comes out, the players are always given names based on the respective upcoming games. Brendan is Orlando, May is Anna, Calem is Xavier, Serena is Yvonne, etc etc... See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Calem_%28game%29#Player_versus_NPC here] for more info. We also know that the characters still retain their in-game rival names, so nothing's changed. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

== Move ==

Years ago, this article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Brendan_%28game%29&diff=532677&oldid=531381 was moved] from "Brendan" to "Brendan (game)" because supposedly that's how protagonists are named (and because someone else with that name might appear).

But it's not really right that I search "Brendan", get redirected to "Brendan (game)", and then there's no other "Brendan"s on this whole wiki. You don't need a disambiguating parenthetical if there's nothing being disambiguated. If this is the only Brendan, he should be at "Brendan". It's that simple.

...The same goes for [[Lucas]], [[Hilbert]], [[Nate]], [[Calem]], [[Kris]], [[Leaf]], [[Hilda]], and [[Rosa]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:They are game characters. The parenthesis is there to distinguish that. Besides, it'll look really inconsistent with {{ga|May}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, and {{ga|Serena}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
::I agree with moving it. It's the only instance, so why disambiguate it? While consistency is a thing to consider, I'd suggest that May and Dawn are such main characters in the anime that their disambiguation as game characters is needed, and even Serena to an extent (several appearances in anime). Brendan, however, doesn't have that problem; he is the only one, and therefore I don't see a need to disambiguate that which doesn't need it. It's like if you want to refer, in general, to a musical album; if there's only one by the name, you use that as the title. Sometimes, the title might also be a book, or a movie; in that case, the one that is the most common usage gets the title (that itself is a matter of debate), and the rest get disambiguated.
::If Brendan later appears in the anime or manga for whatever reason, we can revisit it then, I think. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:::It's been over a month but the notice is still at the top of the article so I take it this topic isn't dead. I agree with ForceFire, it's all about consistency. the parenthetical "game" is a common indicator. Changing more than half of them seems a bit ridiculous. [[User:Schiffy|I don't even give a Schif]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 18:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm not hearing any actual benefit to this "consistency"... All I'm getting is that consistency is just "good", for its own sake; and that doesn't actually amount to a "reason" for this naming, much less a good one. Like I said above, a parenthetical is supposed to ''disambiguate''/"distinguish" two pages with the same base name, yet there's only one "Brendan" (or Lucas, or etc); this naming scheme is patently being misapplied, and to no concrete benefit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::The very definition of "disambiguation" is as follows: "Disambiguation is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous — when it refers to more than one topic." In this case, Brendan (and Lucas, Hilbert, etc.) only apply to one topic. There is no disambiguation and they should be given the articles by the direct name, not a disambiguated version. This is irrefutable in my mind. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::It's the same reason why we have [[Dunsparce (Pokémon)]] rather than just [[Dunsparce]]. There are no other major Dunsparce in the anime, yet it still has the (Pokémon) tag. Why? Consistency, that's why. Same reason for [[Brendan (game)]] over [[Brendan]], consistency. Besides, anyone searching "Brendan" would be redirected to this article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::This begs a good question, then. Why NOT remove the " (Pokémon)" from all 721 pages? There is, I'm sure in at least 711 (out of 721) cases or more, no other reference for any of the Pokémon names. Abilities and moves can get the same treatment. I always thought those were set up like that because otherwise the templates would not work correctly (e.g. {{p|Diancie}}, {{m|Diamond Storm}}, {{a|Pixilate}}), and the ending was for the purposes of the respective template, but none of the characters referenced are part of any such template nor require disambiguation.
:::::::That said, in the case of Pokémon pages, they still need them, I think - in every single case, and not because of "consistency". Reasoning? They appear in the manga, the anime, and other sources. Each redirect could be its own disambiguation page with the species page always being first, and other instances on the disambiguation pages, but that's not how you currently do things. Moves and abilities could lose the endings as far as I'm concerned and everything would still be fine, but Pokémon pages could still lose them without something like what I suggested in place and there would be no problems. Again, I always assumed the reason for them was for the templates, no other reason; using them then as a reason to force disambiguation on other types of pages is silly at best. That's just my opinion, however, and I know where that gets me sometimes. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: I honestly think it's weird that any of the game protagonists have "(game)" at the end of them, especially for the reason of "consistency". The gym leaders from the games all have no "(game)" appended to them, and some of them are much more important in the anime than in the games ([[Brock]], [[Misty]], [[Cilan]], [[Iris]], and [[Clemont]]). If arguing for the point of consistency, then shouldn't all these characters have "(game)" on them too? [[User:15avaughn|15avaughn]] ([[User talk:15avaughn|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Good point. Why are they not appended as, for instance, "Clemont (Gym Leader)" is we are trying to be consistent?
:::::::::Pokémon pages are single pages for anime, manga, and games. I don't see why Clemont, Iris, May, etc. can't all have single pages. In cases where a character is very important, such as being one of Ash's traveling companions (as an example), the template can just have a reference to a main article discussing that character in the anime; otherwise, single pages would work for every single character as they do Pokémon. If a [[Character of the day]] appears with an identical name, that's a special case that can be handled on its own. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::[[Koga (Gym leader)]], [[Bugsy (Gym leader)]], [[Roxanne (Gym leader)]], [[Roark (Gym leader)]], [[Lenora (Gym Leader)]], [[Clemont (Gym Leader)]] all redirect to their respective articles. Every Gym leader has the parenthesis. I made sure, blame [[Flint]]. Important anime characters will be too much information in one page, hence the split. Pokémon articles are meant to summarize the manga, anime and tcg sections.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::[[Double Team]] is both a trainer class and a move. [[Psychic]] is both a type and a move. [[Metronome]] is both an item and a move. Having some pages at X (Y) and some pages at just X creates confusion. And the (Pokémon) debate was already discussed ages ago and it was decides that they stay where they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::I have to admit that "(Pokémon)"/"(move)"/"(type)"/"(Trainer class)" make things much harder to argue here (for me)... I can't put words to a good reason why those are okay and these aren't. Except maybe that they ''are'' consistent, wholly. Because not every character in the games is actually qualified with "(game)" on their page title, like 15avaughn said. I once tried to link "Norman (game)", only to realize he's just at [[Norman]]. To me, this half-assed "consistency", applied only to "protagonists" (yet generically labeled "(game)"), is much more confusing and questionable than the Pokémon and moves and types and Trainer classes are. So I would be happy if it were applied to all characters that appeared in the games, or (as I've been saying) if it were only applied where actually needed; but the current state of affairs is just confusing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Honestly, I don't see why any names without disambiguations shouldn't have them. When we link things such as Pokémon or trainers, we use {{p|Bulbasaur}} or {{tc|Gentleman}}. The disambiguation aligns with the appropriate wikitext, "{{p|" and "{{tc|" respectively, that we assign the names. Following that pattern, shouldn't all formal names have some kind of disambiguation? [[User: CWallace |C.Wallace]] ([[User_talk: CWallace |Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/CWallace|Contribs]]) 18:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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[[Ash Ketchum]] says hi. Why isn't he tagged "(anime)"? Are anime characters without in-game equivalents automatically not in need of "consistency"? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, I forgot to note, but yes, based on the examples provided, moves and abilities do in some cases need the disambiguation. I see the consistency there. But with Ash's example above, there is only one Ash Ketchum. Therefore, since there is only one Brendan, and one Lucas, and one Hilbert, for "consistency" they should not be tagged. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:Adding to what CycloneGU is saying, this doesn't just apply to [[Ash Ketchum]] in the anime character pages. Rather it seems that every anime original character doesn't have "(anime)" added to their name, i.e. [[Jessie]], [[James]], [[Nurse Joy]], [[Officer Jenny]]. So why are the protagonists subject to this? Heck, the gym leaders don't even have disambiguation pages, so why do the protagonists? (besides the obvious reason why [[Red (game)|Red]] does.) They just have a link to their anime counterpart in the article, if their anime counterpart is important enough to merit an article. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that all character page titles are a mess right now, so if arguing that they need to be consistent like the "(Pokémon)" articles, then that also means that [[Brock]], [[Misty]], [[Cilan]], [[Iris]], and [[Clemont]] should be disambiguation pages, and all gym leaders should have "(game)" appended to them, and that all anime characters should have "(anime)" appended to them. Instead of that, we could follow what the anime character and gym leader pages are doing already and give game characters precedence over anime characters, like having [[May]] be the main game article, and having a "Did you mean?" or Disambiguation at the top of the page, like most Wikipedia articles. As for characters like [[Brendan]], who have no counterparts, there is no problem whatsoever with moving them to their actual name without "(game)" appended. I think those two options are really the only choices, as right now, the protagonists aren't consistent with anything but themselves and [[Blue (game)|Blue]], [[Silver (game)|Silver]], and [[Barry (game)|Barry]]. So we can choose to either make them consistent with the Pokémon articles (which would require doing the same for all other characters), or with the other characters, which would only require moving the protagonists and those rivals. [[User:15avaughn|15avaughn]] ([[User talk:15avaughn|talk]]) 23:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

:Oh, I have an addendum, sorry. This arbitrary "(game)" literally only applies to main series protagonists, and the rivals noted (and [[Wally (game)|Wally]], sorry, I forgot him.) Characters like [[Wes]], [[Michael]], [[Mark]], [[Mint]], and all the [[Pokémon Ranger]] protagonists also follow the other characters' example, with the game character getting the main article, and anime getting "(anime)" at the end when they have an anime counterpart. Something tells me this "(game)" thing was originally to differentiate [[Red (game)|Red]], [[Blue (game)|Blue]], [[Ethan (game)|Gold]] and [[Silver (game)|Silver]], the characters, from [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue,]] [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold and Silver]], the games. Which is hilarious, since what used to be the "(character)" at the end is now "(game)" which doesn't help disambiguate them at all! [[User:15avaughn|15avaughn]] ([[User talk:15avaughn|talk]]) 00:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

:Sorry again, but I was incorrect in saying all the [[Pokémon Ranger]] protagonists all have their own names as their page title. That only applies to half of them, the other half have "(Ranger)" for some reason, which could also be removed, with a small disambiguation at the top. Like, for [[Summer (Ranger)|Summer]] a "Did you mean [[Seasons#Summer|the season]] or the [[Summer (Sinnoh)|Character of the Day]]?" [[Kate (Ranger)|Kate]] would be exactly the same as Summer. As for [[Ben (Ranger)|Ben's]] disambiguation, the only other person is some unimportant NPC. Seriously. [[User:15avaughn|15avaughn]] ([[User talk:15avaughn|talk]]) 00:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

::First of all, indent your text with the proper number of colon(s) (:) to mark your place in the conversation..Second, use the preview button to avoid repetitive, clogging edits. Third, We are NOT Wikipedia or Wikia, WE ARE NIWA, so we don't do things like the corporate wikis. Fourth, this discussion's continuation is pointless, since an admin has said no, and refuses to back down. Finally, don't accuse the admins of hypocrisy:it is a blockable offense. {{unsigned|BlisseyandtheAquaJets}}
::: Okay, firstly, sorry about the indents, that was my fault. I was just following CycloneGU's outdent. Secondly, I only made three edits, I don't think that's quite the same as "clogging edits". Thirdly, Bulbapedia also uses the "disambiguation" page system, like [[Pikachu (disambiguation)]] and the top of [[Pikachu (Pokémon)]] which links to it, which was what I was suggesting for characters, except without the appended parenthetical, since other characters don't use them. Fourth, I didn't accuse anyone of hypocrisy, and I'm just stating my opinion on the matter, I didn't realize ForceFire was an admin, and I honestly thought this discussion wasn't quite over, which is why I posted. [[User:15avaughn|15avaughn]] ([[User talk:15avaughn|talk]]) 05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Nothing is wrong with an "outdent" (or {{template|indent}}) when the indent progresses far enough (which is somewhat subjective).
::::Discussion on a move is over when the Editorial Board makes a decision or when a staff member explicitly says "Discussion is over" or "This is my/our decision", and not before. Until then, it's still a ''discussion'', an exchange between people in more or less even positions. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::1. I created the outdent because I thought twelve indents was plenty.
:::::2. I believe the Editorial Board made the decision long ago, hence why this page was protected from moving except by admins. back on October 31, 2008 (check the log for this talk page). Also, Bulbapedia DOES have a [[Bulbapedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation policy]]; therein, it's stated:
:::::::Whereas on other wikis, disambiguation pages are used and created after the fact, Bulbapedia has many disambiguation pages which are already prepared to be used in case of a Pokémon's capture in the anime or one of the many manga series, among other instances. These disambiguation pages are utilized mostly to assist in linking within other articles using link templates so that an article that is incorrectly linked can be found and corrected more quickly.
:::::I think this is the consistency to which Force Fire refers, in having a disambiguation possible to be created for every character. The thing is, this creates double redirects everywhere. I would think a double redirect causes more server stress than a simple link; if the user assumes Brendan has a page at the "Brandan" page, without (game) on it, then that user may Wikilink to it, causing a double redirect. I have always believes double redirects to be a bad thing. It's just how I have always tried to do things. Look at [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Brendan what links to the "Brendan" page], and notice even our official walkthroughs are linking to them. Most, however, are created at user talk pages, with one hiding out in [[User:Glik/Sandbox|Glik's Sandbox]].
:::::The same could be said for the Pokémon pages, which redirect to links with " (Pokémon)" appended, but that page itself encyclopedically describes every place it's appeared; a disambiguation page itself would be something like [[May]], which is different. People searching for Pikachu will only find one kind of Pikachu; you wouldn't find a human in-game character by that name, and the most common usage would be the Pokémon page (though [[Ash's Pikachu]] might be debated, the game would win that debate and the very page would already offer a link to an article about that instance). So yes, I think Pokémon pages can be moved to the non-apended variants because there's nothing else any of them could really be. (Speaking of Pikachu, there are [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pikachu&limit=250 111 double redirects] listed here.) (Clarification edit: I should note that I am aware that the appending is likely for template use strictly, and not saying that Pokémon pages SHOULD be changed now, just that they otherwise COULD be. I'm aware that it's needed for template use.)
:::::I guess I just don't see a point to disambiguating for the sake of disambiguating; if something conflicting comes up later, it takes less than a minute to create a redirect. What we're currently doing, in my opinion, is akin to being prepared for the apocalypse even though it will likely never happen in our lifetimes. The KISS principle should apply (Keep It Simple, Susan - or Silly, you pick). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

== Artwork Section Missing Images? ==

It's been bothering me for a while that, while the artwork of the Contest Spectacular appears in the gallery, other official pieces featuring Brenden are not such as the [http://www.legendarypokemon.net/images/oras/secretbaseart.png Super Secret Bases artwork] and the [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZP0Vvdw8Aps/VE_aMAic0fI/AAAAAAAAgx8/QxXV16AOOZ4/s1600/Pokemon%2BORAS%2B-%2BArte%2B19.jpg Soaring through the Sky one]. The same could be said about May's page as well. Were they deliberately left out for a reason? Also I haven't seen the Team Magma vs. Team Aqua art around on their respective pages (note - [https://static1.e621.net/data/7a/49/7a4989fa876a87ccae6b9af7c72863d6.jpg image 4961 × 3508 size]). --[[User:Evacino|'''evacino''']][[User talk:Evacino|''' (talk)''']] 01:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

== Contest? ==

Did Brendan participate in a Pokémon Contest with May in the ORAS animated trailer? [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 18:42, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:58, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::Oh. Thanks. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 20:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

== Age ==

Would be real helpful if this place actually cited its sources. Anyway, supposedly the age of 12 came from the Buzznav. Is that in ORAS as well? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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Where did all the moves from before lv. 70 come from? And for Groudon and Kyogre, where did the ones before level 45 come from? Are they just speculation?--[[User:ObsessedMinunFan|Obsessed]][[User talk:ObsessedMinunFan|Minun]][[Special:Contributions/ObsessedMinunFan|Fan]] 02:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's what the move tutor says it learns at those levels, I believe. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 02:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::I just got Rayguaza, Groudon, and Kyogre on Emerald yesterday, and I'm looking at the Move Tutor thing right now. It doesn't list the levels anywhere. Is the person who posted them still active here?--[[User:ObsessedMinunFan|Obsessed]][[User talk:ObsessedMinunFan|Minun]][[Special:Contributions/ObsessedMinunFan|Fan]] 06:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I believe people got that info by using a GameShark to get a very low level wild Rayquaza. That is the best way to get to know from what level the Pokémon learns the moves. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

== how are the status calculated ==

hi,
i would like to ask, how are the status graphic calculated, i mean i was trying to capt a pattern, but I just could not, i mean max speed for groudon and Kyogre at lv.100 is 306 and it is represented as a 90 in the graphic. same for rayquaza, max attack an sp.attack is 438 at lv.100 and the graphic shows 150 for both stats. so, how can i calculate the equivalent for the other pokemon? Please help me with this... :S

::See [[Stats#Formula]]. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 02:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

==Rock Smash==
It doesn't learn Rock Smash in Generation 4? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 02:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
:It does. Someone must've left it out. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==Speculation==
Well i was looking at the other 2 super-ancients and i thought, the markings on those 2 are, and this is proven in the anime, made by the orbs. and Rayquaza has similar markings, so does he have an, yet to be revealed, orb? [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 15:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think his orb will be revealed any time soon. Because in the anime Ash travels to another region every 5 or so seasons. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::We've gone past the third generation now so I would be surprised to see any further development on the weather trio. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Kyogre was in the Manaphy movie, so that makes me think that they won't be completely ignored.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 15:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::That was still Generation III. Of course they won't be ignored (see the Mismagius filler) but new information is being relegated to the Gen IV legends right now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sure there is often new information revealed on older Pokémon (for example, the episodes where Misty returned new information about Togepi/Togetic became revealed) but new information regarding Legends is pretty rare, especially something big like orb. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 16:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, it would make a great part of a movie. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It makes me wonder if there will be a movie to feature ''all'' the Legendaries battling it out to see who is the supreme Legendary. I would definately see that. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 01:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that would be possible, when the amount of Pokémon are growing so are legendaries. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 10:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::True, the battle may just end up destroying everything anyway. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::It would be awesome though. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 21:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

To get back to the topic about the markings: Maybe Rayquaza's markings are also created by the orbs? Rayquaza is part of the Weather Trio, so couldn't the orbs affect Rayquaza as well? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so; Groudon raised lands and Kyogre raised seas, what did rayquaza do? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 07:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Although it wasn't stated in the show or games, Rayquaza could have done something with the ozone/atmosphere like raising oxygen levels to support more life.--'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite Changes? ==

Okay this might be nothing, but in the 3rd gen sprites inside it's mouth Rayquaza got Blue Color, while in the DP sprites inside it's like black or dark pink?
:I think its worth noting.ShinyPiKa 22:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::So do I, add it to the trivia section if you'd like. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Forgot to check back and see this discussion. In the first edit of this topic I didn't know I had to write my name, date and time. Sorry :/. [[User:Fidani16|Fidani16]] 16:12, 23 October 2008.
::::No need to apologize for something that happened over a month ago. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 14:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Origin, Name Origin ==

I don't see the resemblance of the Ziz in Rayquaza. I also don't see the resemblances of the Behemoth and the Leviathan in Groudon and Kyogre, respectively. Do we know where this information came from?? Can it be cited from anywhere?? I'm just wondering where that information came from, because it does not seem very believable to me. And also, I don't understand how Rayquaza's name can be derived from "ray"... [[User:Bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]] 14:13, 18 October 2008
:It's not physical ''resemblance'' to Behemoth/Leviathan/Ziz, it's their thematic similarities. Both groups are huge, primordial monsters of land, sea, and sky.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 14:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Wait, how do you know what Ziz looks like? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 06:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's a giant bird big enough to block out the sun. Good enough, really.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Guardian of the Skies ==
I think its appropriate to put "Guardian of the Skies" in there [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 12:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who told you that? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::I agree with Hfc2x...but now that i think about it, didn't Rayquaza try to keep deoxys from entering the atmosphere in the 7th movie? And in mystery dungeon red and blue, Rayquaza also stopped the meteor that was heading straight for the planet. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Then it's better to explain why it is the "Guardian of Skies". If it's supported by official sources, then I will not opose. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Can't you do that? I don't know how to say it. [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 05:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== second ==

is it me or is rayquaza cathable a second time i see it again when i beat it .- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Slappy|Slappy]] ([[User talk:Slappy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slappy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It's you.--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 22:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::That happened in my pearl game. i battled and caught Palkia the first time i saw it. and later after i beat the rest of the game plot, i went back up to spear pillar and saw another palkia and i caught it. i don't know how that happened. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Either a) You are lying,
:::b) it was a glitch, or,
:::c) the game was hacked and/or fake.--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 22:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Flying Type==
I've noticed other pokemon's trivia sections, such as Heatran, include the fact that they have the highest of an individual stat for a specific type. Rayquaza has the highest attack and special attack of all flying types, but I was wondering whether this was worth noting, due to the fact that flying is and has always been a secondary type.

== The Japanese Name ==

Rekkūza? That doesn't sound similar enough to "Rayquaza." At least, that's what I believe. If it was "Rekkueza," then it would be similar, but... '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 04:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Ask GameFreak. It's their choice, really.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:If it would be "Rekkueza," then its Japanese name would be レックェザ, right? Hmm... [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 12:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'm glad someone else but me caught this. Yeah, I was about to ask about this myself. What do the official Japanese names say?

The trivia now say "座 ''za'', from universe". As far as I know 座 has nothing to do with the universe, except that you can find it at the end of constellation names. I even checked some dictionaries to be sure. 座, especially when pronounced "za", means "the place where one sits" i.e. "seat" or "location". So 烈空座 (Rekkūza) could mean something like "one that sits in the ferocious heavens". I'll go ahead and change the article. Feel free to revert, but then please discuss why. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 14:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Why is this and every other pokemon article protected? ==

^question.

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 21:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:Read message from the editor on the main page and the latest story on Bulbanews. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Main picture ==

Why aren't we using its Emerald artwork anymore? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 20:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:Hmm? The current picture is Ken Sugimori's artwork for R/S/E. Unless you're talking about a different "main" picture? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 01:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

::Ken Sugimori released new artwork for Rayquaza when Emerald was released (like he did for the Hoenn starters), I'm sure it used to be used in the article. The current picture is fine though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. Three fingers. ==

Japanese Dragons is three fingers. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Quetzocoatl ==

It also could resemble Quetzocoatl, because it's markings remind me of Kecleon, which looks Aztec. I nammed mine Shenron, after the Eternal Dragon in Dragonball Z... Uh, I mean Kai... -_-*[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 09:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Jade Orb? ==

Should it be added in the trivia that Rayquaza needs the Jade Orb in order to appear in HG/SS, like Groudon and Kyogre need their orbs, but in Emerald all you need to do is go to the Sky Pillar? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|"FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2"]] 22:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

:Trivia doesn't need any more spam for something that's [[Rayquaza_(Pokémon)#Game_locations|already mentioned in the article]]. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Emerald Sprite ==

The Emerald sprite moves WAY too fast. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 22:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia issue ==

* ''It is said that Rayquaza will come if {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} are battling, but it didn't appear in the episodes ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]''.''
** ''However, in Pokémon Emerald the player must get Rayquaza to stop the battle of Groudon and Kyogre in Sootopolis manually. This may mean that Rayquaza can only calm the two down but may not know when and where they are fighting.''

If I recall correctly, Rayquaza was sleeping when the player is given the task to go get it. I also see it far more likely that Rayquaza knew that Groudon and Kyogre were fighting, but {{tt|couldn't get there before the fighting was ended|Last I checked, it's natural home is 12-19 miles above sea level}}. I base my argument off the fact whenever the two meet a huge storm is formed. The energy that the storm must be letting off must be massive enough to let Rayquaza know that the two are fighting. Also the second bit, sounds like spectulation. I would to like to do a duscion before I go and remove anything. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

== V-create ==

Should we note V-create in the 3rd to last trivia?(that is if it is a signiture move) [[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 08:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

== Rayquaza and Landorus section dissapear? ==

Wasn't there originally a post on the trivia section about Rayquaza sharing similar traits with Landorus? Them serving as Trio Masters of their own trio? {{unsigned|MrAkmalDanish}}
:{{u|Kenji-girl}} or {{u|Jo The Marten}} deleted it because there was too much stuff. you can ask them for details. also, sign your comments.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 11:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::Excuse me, but you are mistaken, Mr-ex777. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rayquaza_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&limit=500&action=history I have not edited this page since January 9, 2011], when the trivia was still posted. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rayquaza_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=next&oldid=1538498 This is the edit when the trivia was removed.] As you can see, it was neither I, nor KG that removed it. Such accusation was uncalled for, and I'd appreciate it if you would actually do your research next time before making false claims. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
You know, I can't seem to "sign my comments" while making it a like to my page. Can someone help? {{unsigned|MrAkmalDanish}}
:To sign, just end your comments with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It'll post your signature. You can customize it in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::Oops, i mistaked it for landorus' page, but even that im not sure as well. sorry.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I did delete it from Landorus's page though. Not sure who did it here. Comparison trivia should be avoided as it borderlines opinion. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

== Does the Rayquaza in [[DP142|Where No Togepi Has Gone Before!]] really count as major appearance? ==

I personally think it counts as a minor appearance because it only appeared for a few seconds in that episode. If no one opposes this for 24 hours, I am gonna go ahead and change it.

If anything, the Rayquaza in ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland!]]'' counts as major appearance since that Rayquaza appeared for more of the episode. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 22:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
:Well, 24 hours are up, and nobody opposed, I'm making the change now. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 22:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
::You need to give people longer than 24 hours to respond. Many people aren't on here all the time, so they aren't able to respond right away. Just give it time. If it takes too long, ask someone to give their opinion. While it only appeared for a few seconds, debuts always count as major appearances, because a debut, no matter how small, is always a major event (as seen on episode articles). The Rayquaza in DP043 was only an illusion, which doesn't count as a real debut (and probably shouldn't even count as an appearance), whereas the Rayquaza in DP142 was real. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:58, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:::You're right about that. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 15:25, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Rayquaza no longer the largest Legendary ==

This trivia should be removed, as Primal Kyogre is larger than even Rayquaza. Would someone change this for me, please? [[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 19:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Bump. [[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 21:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia issue ==

The trivia says that Rayquaza is the only member of the weather trio without a second type but this is no longer true because of Prmal Groudon. Does Groudon not count because it is Primal? [[User:Ethanbrs]] ([[User talk:Ethanbrs|talk]])

== Shichishito ==

The marks by Mega Rayquaza's eyes resemble the shape of a [[wp:Seven-Branched Sword]]. It even has exactly seven points on it. I think that's proably worth noting, as that seems intentional. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 15:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:It should also be noted that the appendage on its head resembles a {{wp|hoplite}}'s helmet. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 17:43, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

== A couple of things need changing ==

In the trivia, part of one of the points says "or does not have a signature move." it does now. Also, the "Rayquaza's encounter in The Subspace Emissary" external link leads to a dead page. It should be removed or changed. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:53, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Rayquaza ==

Since Rayquaza has been stated NOT to Mega Evolve in the same way as other Pokémon, is it really safe to say that it will make use of an unknown Mega Stone? As far as I know, we haven't received ''confirmation'' that it will use a Mega Stone, and since they went out of their way to say that it WON'T be the same way as other Pokémon, I feel we should say "via an unknown method" rather than "using an unknown Mega Stone." No, I am not saying it definitely WON'T use a Mega Stone, but that we don't know ''for sure'' that it WILL, so just to be safe, shouldn't we change that? [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 10:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
:According to logic, if Groudon and Kyogre were given primal reversion forms instead of mega evolutions, Rayquaza should have got the same. But now since it has a mega form, EpicDeino is correct. We should change it to "via Unknown Method", just to be safe. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 10:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
::I originally removed the "an unknown mega stone" and put "unknown means" because that's what its official page claimed ("a unique method"). However, [http://youtu.be/WPQg3lSvWc4?t=41s the promo video on the official channel] says, "Mega Stone obtained in ORAS" and I assume that's accurate and not a generic Mega Evo footer, so I added it in. So unless it's proven to be wrong, we assume it's a stone. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
:::The legend of Primal Groudon and Kyogre explictely mentions that Rayquaza used a special stone that reacted to the prayers of Hoenn to become Mega Rayquaza. This is clearly a Mega Stone. However, during the stream where Rayquaza was shown Mega Evolving against another Trainer, it said "Omega's prayer reached Rayquaza!" instead of the usual Mega Stone reacting stuff. We'll probably get more info later. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 18:00, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

== ORAS Artwork ==

Should we use [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:384Rayquaza_ORAS.png Rayquaza's ORAS artwork] on its page now, like we're doing with the Hoenn Starters? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 23:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

:I agree with you, there is no point having old artwork representing the page as the main artwork of a page when there is new artwork. [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 11:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

== Two Questions on Mega Rayquaza... ==

If Rayquaza only needs {{m|Dragon Ascent}} to Mega Evolve, wouldn't that make the Meteorite's role secondary in Mega Evolving Rayquaza? And is it worthy to note that since Mega Rayquaza doesn't need a Mega Stone as a held item, it can hold an item, or has that already been noted?[[User:IM-T-MAN2|IM-T-MAN2]] ([[User talk:IM-T-MAN2|talk]]) 21:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== "Strong Winds" ==

Why would Rayquaza's type immunities due to Delta Stream not count? Mega Groudon and Mega Kyogre say they're immune to Water and Fire, and Pokemon with the potential to have abilities to change type match-ups (Heatproof, Levitate, etc) note them. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{A|Delta Stream}} does not cause a type immunity the same way {{A|Desolate Land}} or {{A|Primordial Sea}} do. [[User:Litwick96|Litwick96]] ([[User talk:Litwick96|talk]]) 15:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
::So? All natural abilities that affect type advantages (not just immunities) are noted, like {{A|Thick Fat}}. Delta Stream may not affect type advantages quite as directly, but Desolate Land and Primordial Sea already set a precedent. A rule like "both advantages/disadvantages and immunities are noted for direct abilities, but for 'indirect' abilities, only immunities ought to be noted" would be rather dumb. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] ([[User talk:Blueapple128|talk]]) 05:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Using Dragon Ascent to Mega Evolve ==

Rayquaza cannot Mega Evolve even with Dragon Ascent until after the Delta Episode. This should be noted in the top section. [[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 01:56, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
:It does. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 02:37, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

== Key Stone ==

I know the Rayquaza from Delta Episode first needs to eat the meteorite in your bag for it to Mega Evolve, but does any other Rayquaza have any condition to Mega Evolve outside of Dragon Ascent? As in, do they specifically need the Key Stone from after the 5th Gym before it can Mega Evolve? Apparently a friend of mine says the recently distributed Event Shiny Rayquaza was capable of Mega Evolving and he didn't even have the Key Stone required for Mega Evolution in general. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 15:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== New Artwork ==

Rayquaza got new artwork for ORAS. Can we change the main artwork, please? We did it for the Hoenn starters I don't see why we can't for Rayquaza too.
[[File:384Rayquaza ORAS.png|480px]]
{{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:Yeah, that should really be updated. Anyone who knows how oughta get right on that.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 18:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
::We go by the officially used stock art. In the online Pokedex, [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokedex/rayquaza Rayquaza's entry] does not use the ORAS artwork, it uses the artwork we're currently showing. (While all of our main Pokemon artwork may not conform to that guideline currently, it should.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Treecko, Torchick, and Mudkip all use their ORAS artwork, which is why I'm mentioning this [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:40, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
::::{{tt|Since it's my last chance to say it|It's been exactly six months, since there was no February 28}}, I vouch for us using the new Rayquaza artwork. The Pokémon company sporadically switches between even official artwork, so we should use the newest artwork, if it's of high enough quality (which in Rayquaza's case, it is). --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 02:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I also vouch for using the new artwork. The previous argument of the official site using RS Rayquaza isn't very valid anymore; they've reverted to using RS images for Torchic, Treecko, and Mudkip, not even the Emerald artwork. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 16:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the trivia say "both also requires capture to continue storyline." ==

I would've undone the edit, but I'm not allowed to edit trivia. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks MetalMetroid997, but shouldn't it say "both are also Pokémon that must be captured before the story can proceed." ? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

== Shuffle Sprite ==

At the moment the sprite for Shiny Mega Rayquaza is called Shuffle384MS.
However, as the sprite for Shiny Rayquaza is called 'Shuffle384S', the format automatically wants to use 'Shuffle384SM'.
This file does not exist, which causes the sprite to not be displayed correctly. Can someone change the name of this file, in order to correctly display the sprite? {{unsigned|Hydrachomp}}
:A redirect has been created, so the sprite now displays correctly. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 19:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon Catch Rate? ==

In ORAS, all previous legendaries had their catch rate set to 3 (Groudon, Kyogre, Palkia, Dialga, Reshiram, Zekrom, Yveltal, Xerneas), while Rayquaza's was raised to 45 due to it being a required catch. Since it is no longer a required catch, has its catch rate been changed back to 3? Has anyone rechecked the catch rate? I quickly Googled it and didn't see any discussion on it. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 04:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Player character

2018-02-11T23:16:52Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Re-evaluation of Sun/Moon vs. Ellio/Selene */ new section

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters? {{unsigned|Pokenick}}

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundytr|15px}}" | {{color2|{{X color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|X}}{{color2|{{Y color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|Y}}
|-
| colspan="2" style="border: 0px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Red.png|100x100px]]
| colspan="3" style="border: 0px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{ruby color dark}}; background: #{{ruby color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{diamond color dark}}; background: #{{diamond color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Lucas.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilbert.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{black 2 color dark}}; background: #{{black 2 color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black 2 White 2 Nate.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{x color dark}}; background: #{{x color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:XY Calem.png|100x100px]]
|- style="font-size: 90%"
| colspan="2" style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Red (game)|Red}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Ethan (game)|Ethan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Brendan (game)|Brendan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Lucas (game)|Lucas}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Hilbert (game)|Hilbert}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Nate (game)|Nate}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Calem (game)|Calem}}
|-
|
| style="border: 0px solid #{{leafgreen color dark}}; background: #{{leafgreen color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png|100x100px]]
|
| style="border: 0px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Crystal Kris.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{soulsilver color dark}}; background: #{{soulsilver color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{sapphire color dark}}; background: #{{sapphire color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{pearl color dark}}; background: #{{pearl color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Dawn.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white color dark}}; background: #{{white color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilda.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white 2 color dark}}; background: #{{white 2 color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{y color dark}}; background: #{{y color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:XY Serena.png|100x100px]]
|- style="font-size: 90%"
|
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Leaf (game)|Leaf}}
|
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Kris (game)|Kris}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Lyra (game)|Lyra}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|May (game)|May}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Dawn (game)|Dawn}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Hilda (game)|Hilda}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Rosa (game)|Rosa}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundybr|15px}}" | {{color2|000|Serena (game)|Serena}}
|}
[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the problem of Firered & Leafgreen, how do you guys determined Leaf´s name? And i´m sorry for losing the tracks but what twist did we had in DP? I´d like to know a little more about it(principally because i started to play in this generation), it may help us resolve the problem, to get it even worse it doesn´t sound like the female character at least will appear in the anime just like Leaf, Yellow and Hilda(and Rosa but at least she appearred in the trailer).-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 07:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:The twist in DP is that they left Platinum nameless, referred only as Lady, during their trip up until the point when the Platinum game version was announced. Which by that point they official gave her that name.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]08:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Despite being obvious i didn´t realize that was happening that time, it´s impressive, but i don´t think it will be a twist like that one this time, i think the only reason they did this is because DP manga would lack a female main character.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like we're going to have to do what we did with Kris and Leaf: use the most commonly used name amongst fans and/or the placeholder names on the games's ROM. I'm pretty sure that the placeholder names are Sun for the boy and Moon for the girl, which are also the most common names I've found when searching the web. Should I go ahead and add those to the article, or do we need to wait a little longer? [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
:Wait until a {{bp|staff}} member makes an executive decision, please. It's not good for non-staff to jump the gun on things that affect page titles, because those in turn require a lot of creating or updating links on various pages. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much. It looks like this issue will remain unresolved for the foreseeable future. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 07:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, the most common names is ヨウ and ミヅキ in Pixiv. If you search for サン and ムーン in Pixiv, you will not be able to find any pictures lol (I guess this is because the new story in Pokemon Special is not yet clear)

And the search for ヨウ and ミヅキ in Google will also find plenty of pictures.

I think this is different from Calem and Serena's case, since the Japanese version is called X/Y and the US version is called Xavier/Yvonne.

And Moon's name has not yet been mentioned in Pokemon Special just because she has not yet introduced herself. This does not mean anything. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 16:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Why don't we call Sun/Moon's player characters Kai (boy) and Lana (girl)? That's apparently what unused data inside the game calls them, according to their pages. Interestingly enough, that would be the first time two major characters shared the same name (Lana the Trial Captain and Lana the Player Character), both of which were introduced in the same game. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

:Two pages cannot share the same title. It'd also be far more confusing to say "{{ga|Sun|Kai}}/{{ga|Moon|Lana}} can battle [[Lana]] at [[Brooklet Hill]]." The issue is that the female player character was given the name Lana in Japanese, and in Japanese, Lana's name is Suiren. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 11:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

:: Technically, they wouldn't have the same title. One page would be titled Lana (Trial Captain) and the other Lana (Player Character), like how some characters have their (Anime), (Adventures) and (Game) pages. But I see your point on how it'd be confusing in summaries... I guess Sun and Moon are fine, but it's so weird having player characters named after their games... We've only had Red, Kris(tal) and Leaf(green) before Sun and Moon. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 12:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

:Since use Kai and Lana that could not search for anything relevant at all... [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 14:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

::: "{{ga|Sun|Kai}}/{{ga|Moon|Lana}} can battle [[Trial Captain|Captain]] [[Lana]] at [[Brooklet Hill]]." I'm not sure about 'Sun' and 'Moon' anymore... using unofficial names for characters who ''do'' have names from internal game data, even if one of them is shared with another character, I don't think that's very encyclopedic. People share names, even in Pokémon. While I get the confusion point, I don't think there would be a big problem in this case – most instances would refer to Captain anyway, as the alternate player character doesn't exist as an NPC this generation and, most times, when we're referring to the player character, we just say "the player". - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 01:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

::::The names Sun and Moon are not "unofficial"; the names were used officially throughout the pre-release period.
::::[http://imgur.com/POOZDb8 http://i.imgur.com/Yxcj4PN.png]
::::The {{bp|manual of style}} also states that titles should use the "English names of characters", and while Sun and Moon have been officially used in English, カイ and ラナ have not. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

::::This is just the same case with the player use Omega/Orlando as his name in Demo Version. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 14:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

:::::While pre-release promotional material shouldn't take precedence over in-game data and, as the last user mentioned, demos are unreliable, you do have a good point about English usage. (I was curious, even; does the unused data definitely include only Japanese names or were other languages simply not found as of yet?) - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 09:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

::::::Where the Japanese text contains the two names, the English text has blanks in those spots. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I know we don't just go with what the Japanese fans use, but they seem to accept Yō and Mizuki (the Japanese equivalents of Elio and Selene) as the official names, as I believe has been mentioned here. But these are just names used in trailers, aren't they? [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 14:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Aren't the names Elio and Selene as close to official as Sun and Moon? I really don't see why we go with Sun and Moon when the games abandoned the gimmick of naming protagonists after versions ages ago. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 17:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

:Gen VII's biggest focus (aside from abandoning HMs and introducing Z-Moves) is more or less pulling old fans back in by cashing in on nostalgia. Sure, old trends were abandoned, but that just leaves room to reintroduce older trends that were long forgotten, like naming the protagonists after the games. --[[User:Knowitall|Knowitall]] ([[User talk:Knowitall|talk]]) 07:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be worth noting on both of the character's pages that their names being Moon and Sun are not official similar to how it was stated on both Leaf and Kris' pages? If I recall, both of those pages explain them being fan names and where they come from, but both Moon and Sun's pages only explain where they come from. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 22:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sun and Moon aren't fan names. They were officially used in promotional material. The debate in this section is over ''which'' official name to use, not ''whether'' one or the other is wholly unofficial. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa? {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

:...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Suggesting A New Table ==

Two years ago, another member (Tester) suggested above that we list the player characters like this. I updated the table with Sun and Moon, and would like to suggest it as well. I think it looks better than the current set-up.

{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 4px solid #BABACC; background:#F3F3FF"
|- style="font-size: 95%; font-weight: bold"
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundytl|15px}}" | {{color2|{{red color dark}}|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|R}}{{color2|{{green color dark}}|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|G}}{{color2|{{blue color dark}}|Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|B}}{{color2|{{yellow color dark}}|Pokémon Yellow Version|Y}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{firered color dark}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FR}}{{color2|{{leafgreen color dark}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LG}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{gold color dark}}|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|G}}{{color2|{{silver color dark}}|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|S}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{crystal color dark}}|Pokémon Crystal Version|C}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{heartgold color dark}}|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG}}{{color2|{{soulsilver color dark}}|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SS}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{ruby color dark}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|R}}{{color2|{{sapphire color dark}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|S}}{{color2|{{emerald color dark}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|E}}{{color2|{{Omega Ruby color dark}}|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|OR}}{{color2|{{Alpha Sapphire color dark}}|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|AS}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D}}{{color2|{{pearl color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|P}}{{color2|{{platinum color dark}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|B}}{{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|W}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|B2}}{{color2|{{white 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|W2}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{X color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|X}}{{color2|{{Y color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|Y}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundytr|15px}}" | {{color2|{{Sun color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon|S}}{{color2|{{Moon color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon|M}}

|-

| colspan="2" style="border: 0px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Red.png|100x100px]]
| colspan="3" style="border: 0px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{ruby color dark}}; background: #{{ruby color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{diamond color dark}}; background: #{{diamond color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Lucas.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilbert.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{black 2 color dark}}; background: #{{black 2 color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black 2 White 2 Nate.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{x color dark}}; background: #{{x color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:XY Calem.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{sun color dark}}; background: #{{sun color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Sun Moon Protagonist male.png|100x100px]]

|- style="font-size: 90%"
| colspan="2" style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Red (game)|Red}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Ethan (game)|Ethan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Brendan (game)|Brendan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Lucas (game)|Lucas}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Hilbert (game)|Hilbert}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Nate (game)|Nate}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Calem (game)|Calem}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundybr|15px}}" | {{color2|000|Sun (game)|Sun}}

|-
|
| style="border: 0px solid #{{leafgreen color dark}}; background: #{{leafgreen color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png|100x100px]]
|
| style="border: 0px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Crystal Kris.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{soulsilver color dark}}; background: #{{soulsilver color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{sapphire color dark}}; background: #{{sapphire color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{pearl color dark}}; background: #{{pearl color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Dawn.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white color dark}}; background: #{{white color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilda.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white 2 color dark}}; background: #{{white 2 color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{y color dark}}; background: #{{y color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:XY Serena.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{moon color dark}}; background: #{{moon color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Sun Moon Protagonist female.png|100x100px]]
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[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 20:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:The spaces by Leaf/Kris are pretty odd. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
::It's to show that those characters were absent in the games inside the space. It's a bit disorienting at first glance, but once you realize what they mean, they make perfect sense. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 02:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Don't get me wrong, I fully understand it. I just don't think the one thing makes up for the other. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Even if there's a point to the gap, it's still ''very'' distracting and will no doubt cause further confusion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::so you do this:

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:::::The colors are a bit off, but it's still a good example. I think that looks better. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 04:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::That looka more appealing than the proposed one above this.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]05:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::While I don't think this table looks bad or anything...I think the current set-up of splitting Male and Female looks a lot nicer and easier to understand. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire trailer ==

For this part, someone should upload an image of both player characters as they both appear simultanously at one point in the trailer. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 21:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
:Uploaded. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

== Image ==

The image of all the player characters does not include the versions of Sun and Moon from Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.

Is anyone planning on adding this? {{unsigned|Korbinia}}

== Re-evaluation of Sun/Moon vs. Ellio/Selene ==

Before, it was only pre-release material. Now, Figma is using Selene as the name of their Pokemon figure. It's licensed products now. But this isn't even my main point. My main point is the '''Japanese names'''.
Serena and Callem were named Xavier and Yvonne in pre-release. Brendan and May were named Orlando and Anna in the ORAS demo. Ellio and Selene are named Sun and Moon in the SM demo. But whenever those names appeared, what was used in the Japanese version of the trailers and demos?

Xavier and Yvonne = X and Y, for the games X and Y

Orlando and Anna = Omega and Alpha, for the games Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Sun and Moon = Sun and Moon, for the games Sun and Moon

The last two times we had conflicting official names, the '''ones named after the games''' in the Japanese version of wherever it came from were '''always wrong'''. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 23:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Rayquaza (Pokémon)

2017-06-22T16:15:25Z

ArtistKyurem: /* New Artwork */

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

2015-10-06T21:49:35Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Core and Cell Zygarde */

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Zygarde is in the guidebook. I own the second guide book and every Pokemon officially revealed as of Febuary 2014 is in it. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
*They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form.

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Talk:Pokémon Master

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[01:15:46] <+MrE> Aside from the Legendary issue, it would be impractical for anyone in the anime to capture and maintain 391 different creatures. Unlike the Pokémon games or Pokémon Special manga, in which Pokémon can be stored in suspended animation as computer data - Pokémon in the anime need t be fed and exercised regularly to maintain their health. Such a task would be impossible for anyone to perform alone, or even with many assistants or helpers. 
[01:16:04] <+MrE> like a zoo because zoos obviously don't keep hundreds of animals in health :( 
- [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 06:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>I very much doubt being a Pokémon Master would entail being a glorified zoo keeper. If that were the case, a would-be Pokémon master's main priority would be to stay at home, buy land, and construct large enclosements, cages, and purchasing vast quantities of food. Not to travel around and battle a handful of Pokémon. - Zeta -{{unsigned|Zeta}}

==Mewtwo Strikes Back definition==
I have a Mewtwo Strikes Back DVD. In the special features there is a brief history/summary of the Pokemon franchise. It explains what a trainer is and defines a Pokemon master as someone who has caught one of every Pokemon. I'll post the direct quote later.--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 04:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:A valid possibility but I don't think that will be how Ash becomes a Pokémon master since the emphasis on catching them all has disappeared. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 11:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::And become damn near impossible. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

== Official Pokémon Handbook definition ==

Based on the definition of a Pokémon Master in the [[Official Pokémon Handbook]], [[Ash Ketchum]] is already a Pokémon Master, since unlike his rival, he does not boast about how great he is. He also cares deeply about his Pokémon, not just uses them to win battles, unlike [[Gary Oak|Gary]].--[[User:Hitmonlee|Hitmonlee]] 20:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:That means Gary, Reggie, Jimmy, Marina, and Lance, not to mention a few hundred others, are all ''already'' Pokémon Masters.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 12:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::I have a copy of that book, and it does imply that. In the book, it talks about the Elite Four, describing them as "a select group of the best Pokemon Masters in the world." [that is a direct quote, by the way]. That implies that the title is essentially given to elite trainers, or people who have caught a lot of pokemon. And that also goes along with what the Nintendo representative said, that it is open to interpretation. So, I would interpret that the title can be given to anyone that is considered an elite trainer, but that it's not an official title. [[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 23:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Soo... Is Cynthia a Pokemon Master? ==

Ok, the article says that the belief that a Pokémon Master being a League champion has holes in that theory since Ash won the Orange League and never became a Pokémon Master, and that the Elite 4 members of each region, as well as the Champions aren't referred to as such, either.

However, I've been reading up on some threads, and people are claiming that Cynthia was referred to as a Pokémon Master in the Japanese version (or Pokémon League Champion of the world, to be exact), and that DP confirms that in order to be a Master, a trainer must beat the Elite 4 in a tournament, so I was wondering, is this really said, and if so, should the article be edited to mention this fact?

Also, should the mention of beating the Battle Brains be mentioned on there as well? I'm asking since the Battle Brains were stated to be stronger than even the Elite 4/Pokémon League Champion. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:I think that Cynthia would be known as a master. I think we should create a section listing possible masters, like her, Lance, and the members of the Elite Four.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 01:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes she is. I believe that anyone who is, or has been the Pokemon League Champion, or even an Elite Four member is a Pokemon Master.

The Orange League as composed of Gym Leaders. No Elite Four, with Drake as the strongest player, but still more of a Gym Leader.

It was stated by Lucian that to become a champion, you must conquer a regional tournament, and we have seen how challenging that is in the anime. And on top of that, one must then defeat the Elite Four, and the ones who have battled have shown skills that put all but the greatest trainers to shame. And the reigning champion is even stronger than Elite Four members, as Flint only managed to defeat two of Cynthia's Pokemon.

That hints that Elite Four members and Champions are massively above regular trainers and very likely should be considered Pokemon Masters.[[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 02:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

:Okay, then why is it that when he beat the Battle Frontier Brains (which were hinted to be around the Elite 4/champion's level), he didn't become a Pokemon Master? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 08:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember anyone saying Elite Four level. Stronger than Gym Leaders, yes the Frontier Brains were. I'd only put Brandon at Elite Four level, possibly Champion, and that is probably only because of his apparent skill in capturing the Regis. No one ever said the Frontier Brains were Pokemon Masters, just very powerful trainers, at least to my memory. And not only that, Ash's skill varies at times. Like him losing to Trip. With or without Electric attacks, Pikachu's '''level''' should have been high enough so that some beginner should stand no chance. ''Period''. So Ash becoming a Pokemon Master anytime soon is unlikely. [[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 10:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure Scott mentioned something along the lines of them being around the Elite 4 Level after Ash's battle against Agatha. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Even if that is true, remember how that battle went? Agatha won. Remember the battle with Flint? He destroyed Ash without breaking a sweat. If Flint is anything to go by, the Frontier Brains are yes, better than Gym Leaders, but lower than Elite Four.

Not to mention, Ash beat Brandon by the skin of his teeth. Brandon didn't use his best team, Ash had to use his most experienced Pokemon, Brandon used the Regi he had the least time to practice with, and not only that, Ash lost to him twice. If anything, Ash beating the Battle Frontier was just a cop out.

Bottom line, it doesn't make perfect sense, but all things point to Ash not being a Pokemon Master. [[User:RagnarokRagnarok]] 11:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Mewtwo ==

According to my copy of The Official Pokémon handbook, a Trainer becomes a Pokémon Master when they have captured Mewtwo. Is this true? I took it to mean that the Trainer had "mastered" the game, as there is more or less nothing left to do in the original games after you have caught it. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:I think we should change or add to this section. First of all, it says that if you can defeat Mewtwo then you deserve the title of Master, but I think that it is unclear enough to say that it says you have to capture him to be a master. Also, it calls the Elite Four trainers master trainers. So I don't think it means that you have to capture or even beat Mewtwo to be a master.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 01:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==

I emailed Pokemon.com's mailbag asking for their definition of Pokémon master. I got this response.

I'm very sorry, but the Pokemon Company does not answer questions of this nature.

It is the intent of the Pokemon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokemon fans, adding more excitment and mystery to the Pokemon universe.

Methinks that this official response merits mention in the article? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 00:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

:They'll define it eventually. I mean, if they can basically confirm Pikachu's gender right then and there in The Worst Togepi in History, despite the writers/seiyuu's comments about how they deliberately never confirmed Pikachu's Gender so the audience of both genders can connect with Pikachu, the same can happen in regards to not defining what a Pokémon Master is.

:Besides, Pokémon.com has made mistakes before, most notably Jessie's Age, as well as claiming the cloaked Pokémon in Pokémon Symphonic Melody was the Red Lightning, which, aside from the fact that it was obviously Mewtwo, when Pokémon Symphonic Medley first aired, Red Lightning wasn't even made yet. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

::I dont think they will. Personally, I do not think it is a term that is supposed to be defined. I think we could just stick with a general definition, that it means you're a great trainer. I really believe that is what the term is all about. And the fact that they haven't given a solid definition is just proof that that is right.[[User:BlitzSage|BlitzSage]] 19:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they also say that Pikachu's Gender was never supposed to be revealed? Seeing how they did officially reveal Pikachu's gender, what the writers said or what Pokemon.com said won't matter in the long run (if it did, they definitely would not have revealed Pikachu's Gender in [[DP142]]. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Before I forget...again ==

Yes, this may be speculation, but that is all that we can do to answer the question of what this is. I came up with a definition which fits rather nicely, but still offers lots of room for freedom:

"Someone who accomplishes a great task regarding Pokémon."

Most well-known people (Professors, Champions, Player, etc.) can fall under this category. For example, Oak created the Pokédex, and is the most well-known professor, hence his title of Master. Champions are the best members of the League in their respective areas, which can be hard to do. The Player defeats both a villinous team and the Champion, so they are also a Master. However, you could also consider the Rocket Trio masters as well, as they most likely far surpassed the previous record for number of failed attempts at stealing Pokémon.

Think this is good enough for addition onto the theory list? [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 02:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:I like that idea, it fits well with the game, but as I mentioned below, I think it's been confirmed in the final Sinnoh League Victors episode. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Champion League? ==

In the newest dub episode, Cynthia mentions that Ash and Paul might meet up in the Champion League. What exactly is the champion league? My guess is, it's a league for the "best of the best" trainers. Trainers who have won at least 1 regional league. Then, the top trainers have to battle and get 1st place in the champion league, in order to fight against the Elite Four and Chamption. --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 14:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, the final Sinnoh League Victors episode mentions the Champion League again. But it also mentions that Ash will become a Pokémon Master once he defeats a Champion (see section below). --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

The final episode of Sinnoh League Victors mentions, as I said above, that a Trainer must beat a [[Champion]] to become a Pokémon Master. The reason this didn't happen in the [[Orange Islands]] seems to be because [[Drake]] was more of a [[Gym Leader]] than a Champion (also, the [[Orange League]] worked differently than the other Leagues). --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:It still doesn't explain why Ash didn't get it back in the Battle Frontier Saga. For one thing, the Frontier Brain members were implied to be either at least be on the same level as the Elite 4, if not surpassing them or even the Champion, so he technically fought and beat 7 champion-leveled trainers or at least 7 E4-leveled trainers. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::That would make since, but still, they may be leveled that high in the games, but they are more like just stronger than normal Gym Leaders. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, all I know is that Scott mentioned that Ash had more than enough qualifications to challenge the Battle Frontier after he fought against Agatha, which indicated that they were at least around the Elite 4's level. There was also a scene where Cynthia, the Sinnoh champion, was fighting against Palmer, himself a member of the Battle Frontier, indicating they were around that level. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, in fact, I don't believe Ash was able to beat Palmer. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 20:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wait, then how could those guys even call themselves BF Brains? If the majority of them could lose to a 10 year old kid quite easily, with only two actually beating him outright, despite Scott implying that they were at least around the Elite 4 level, they shouldn't even deserve to be called BF brains, since someone at a BF level should not be capable of actually losing that easily to someone like Ash. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::I haven't seen any of Ash's BF battles, but it's not like he simply manged to OHKO all of their Pokémon. If he did, then he should get that title! --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== Move? ==

Should this page be moved to Pokémon Master? Throughout the article, it's called Pokémon '''''M'''''aster, and I think it just looks better. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:23, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should. What's the difference beside a capital M, anyway? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

==More Evidence of a Champion League==
In DP191 and BW031, more mentioning of a champion league was said. In DP191, Ash says that once he wins the Champion League, he'll become a Champion Master, another word for Pokemon Master. And in BW031, Trip expressed his hopes of winning the Unova League and then the Champion League. The evidence that is shown is now theorized that after a Trainer wins a regional league, they are qualified to be part of the Champion League, and if they win, they officially become Pokémon Masters. However, this theory is questionable since no form of a Champion League took place so far in the Anime. --[[User:Gabecounts12594]] 06:52, 12 October 2011 (CST)
You're right. I think the script authors just made that up on the spot, the lazy Snorlax. ''Drakko'' 22:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

In pokemon black and white versions, Cynthia mentions some kind of tournament where the champions from every league gather and see who's strongest. could be worth a thought [[User:Gzig|DimensionBreak Gzig]] 23:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

== Another Possibilty of The Pokemon Master ==

Now, in the old games, we could have just put it off as it being a video game, but in some new games, it has been made clear that defeating the Champion does NOT make you a champion yourself. But interestingly, in X and Y, their's an NPC who tells the player they cannot participate until they are stronger than the champion. Could this mean that those who have defeated the Champion are Pokemon Masters? Notable as well, when N defeats Alder in Black and White, he notes that he is "a trainer stronger than the champion himself". In ORAS, an NPC blocks the entrance to the Battle Institute tells the player they must become champion if they want to enter.
Anyway, also note that both games where 'stronger than the champion' is used is based on an area outside of Japan.

Talk:Normal (type)

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== Glitch Pokémon? ==

Why is [[Missingno.]] included on this page? I thought only real Pokémon were included, like [[Pidgey]], not [[Glitch]] or [[Fake Pokémon]]! Somebody explain to me why Missingo. should be kept on this page because I believe it should be removed. --[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Because Missingno. has a place in all our hearts and is our best glitchy friend. :) *cough* Well, it's one of the only (I believe?) glitch Pokémon to have a real type (Glitches like [[.4]] have types like Pokémaniac and such) and after all, Missingno is just a very notable glitch. I say keep him. ;D [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 17:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Lol. But seriously, it should be left on the Glitch page. Now that we have Missingno. on this page, we may aswell start new pages for other Glitch types for all of the other Glitch Pokémon, and that's just plain ridiculous. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:{{t|Bird}}. All I gotta say. Either way, no Missingno. should not appear here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

All glitch Pokémon deserve '''SOME''' publicity.
I'm not saying all glitch types should have a type (they actually do have them too).
I am just saying if they have a REAL type they should be listed on that type's page.
--[[User:Pika54|I need help Making My User Page]] 19:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== The Attack chart... ==

really needs to be completed. It's just wrong to have some attacks and not others, as well as inconveniant. We should put it up on other type pages, too.[[User:DittytheDitto|DittytheDitto]] 15:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

== Stats ==

According to the article, the Normal type is one of the best defensive types. I believe that. But if that is the case, why is the Defense and Special Defence stats so low? It is just 56 and 61 respectively. Can the stats be checked?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 09:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Probably because of baby Pokémon, {{p|Bibarel|useless}} {{p|Raticate|idiots}} and the tons of pre-evolved Pokémon. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:02 30 Aug 2008'''''
== Changer of type! ==

Should Arceus really be included in the list of pure Normal-type Pokémon? After all, its type changes depending on the plate it holds.
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 10:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:It's main type is normal tc26 10:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== "Gimmick" Strategies ==
I get the rest of them, but why is Spinda included in that? I looked at its moveset and abilities, it cannot change it's type, and cannot learn any move in the game like smeargle can, there was nothing that I could see that made it have a super unusual strategy. It having many forms does not affect gameplay.

== Edit request ==

{{p|Pidove}} and {{p|Minccino}}. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Spelling ==

I've fixed this in the other articles about elemental types. Often, the name of a type and the word "type" are joined together by a hyphen. This is correct when they're acting as an adjective ("The Electric-type Pokémon are fast", "Electric-type moves may paralyze", "Electric-types are fast", "An Electric-type is fast").

However, this is not necessary when the words form a noun phrase ("The Electric type is useful"). Read the game's text; it's handled that way from the top of my head, at least in Generations III and IV.

[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/johans_nene/Nintendo/pokemon/screenshots/BIRD-WATERtype.png Screenshot of a notable case in Generation III].

Examples of wrong use in this article: 
*"(...) Trainers that specialize in the Normal-type include Whitney (...)" 
*"(...) The Normal-type is considered to be one of the best types defensively, (...)"

Examples of good use in this article: 
*"(...) Although Normal-type attacks (...)" 
*"(...) and many Normal-type Pokémon have high stats defensively."

Informal but still acceptable: 
*"(...) There are also many Normal-types that rely on (...)"

Please fix this because people at forums are starting to copy this horrible habit from you fellow Bulbapedians ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 23:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. I think I got them all, but if you see any more just point them out. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== A bit of trivia ==
Ugh, just check its grammar and validness, please... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 16:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
* Not counting moves, which power varies, Normal type moves holds titles of both the most powerfull ({{m|Explosion}}) and the weakest one ({{m|Constrict}}). Notably, both introdused in [[Generation I]].
:: ''Excluding moves of varying power, the most powerful and the most ineffective moves are both of the Normal-type. They are {{m|Explosion}} and {{m|Constrict}}, respectively(, and were both introduced in [[Generation I]]). '' I don't know if the bracketed part is absolutely essential, but I've worded it better. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tabunne? ==
Look at the list, and you see Tabunne. It's just speculation! How can you put it there?

Has it been confirmed? Nope.

Has it appeared in a screenshot that is confirmed? Nope.

Anything other proof? Nope.

So it shouldn't be there.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 08:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing it out. I've removed it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Head Charge recoil==
Is the [[recoil]] of {{m|Head Charge}} ⅓ or 25%? I'll say it's 25% until someone confirms, because the main article says it is and it's the [[signature move]] of {{p|Bouffalant}} when there's {{m|Double-Edge}}. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 23:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
:: It is 25%. Though the amounts of recoil may be the same and the intensity of the description isn't, don't change it. The description of the move we are using is the one the game uses so we copy, even if GAMEFREAK have made a mistake, we copy it. Hope I've cleared that up --[[User talk:Epsilonexus|Epsilonexus]] 17:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

If we add in Water(type) that there has been a dual-type Water/Flying Pokemon in every Generation in Trivia section,so we to do the same here with Normal/Flying [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 19:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

"The Normal and Electric types have the fewest weaknesses, with just one." ground and fighting false ([[User talk:Rodriguezjames55|talk]])

== Considering the leak... ==

Things may change a bit according to CoroCoro leak... *cough* secondary Normal-type Pokémon *cough*. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:A section for secondary Normal types will be added soon. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 14:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Jigglypuff ==

Since Jigglypuff has been retconned to be a Normal/Fairy-type in Generation VI, can someone update the page to include Jigglypuff as a pure Normal-type and as a Normal/Fairy-type? Like how Magnemite, Magneton, and Rotom are labeled after their type changes? For example:

{| {| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{normal color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{normal color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{normal color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
|-
|039
|{{MSP|039|Jigglypuff}}
|{{p|Jigglypuff}}{{tt|*|Generation I-V}}
|-
|}
|}

{| {| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{normal color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{normal color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{normal color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|039
|{{MSP|039|Jigglypuff}}
|{{p|Jigglypuff}}{{tt|*|Generation VI onwards}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
|-
|}
|}

--[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== New Move Boomburst ==

Officialnintendomagazine.com says that Noiven learns a new Normal move called Boomburst' "which emits an explosive sound wave that attacks all surrounding Pokemon with the resulting energy. But beware, Boomburst will also strike any nearby allies."[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Litleo ==
"Almost all Normal-type Pokémon with two types are Normal/Flying, with the notable exceptions of Girafarig and Meloetta's Aria Forme (Normal/Psychic), Bibarel (Normal/Water), Deerling and Sawsbuck (Normal/Grass), Meloetta's Pirouette Forme (Normal/Fighting), and Helioptile (Electric/Normal)."
Can someone add "Litleo (Fire/Normal)"? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 05:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
==Untitled==
Jigglypuff should be added to the group too since it will gain fairy as a secondary type from pokémon X/Y. [[User:Male supremo|Male supremo]] ([[User talk:Male supremo|talk]]) 12:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

== About dual type Normal pokemon ==

Currently, the characteristics section points out how the majority of dual type normal pokemon are part flying. It then lists all the exceptions, which as of now is a fair amount. I understand why this was notable prior to Gen V when the only two exceptions were Girafarig and Bibarel, but not it seems unnecessary. Given that there are likely to be even more dual type normal pokemon come October, wouldn't it better to move to this to the trivia section?[[User:ElementX|ElementX]] ([[User talk:ElementX|talk]]) 13:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Move request ==

Can anyone add the move {{m|Play Nice}} because it is the only Normal-type move missing from the list of Normal-type moves? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

:People, if we don't add the move {{m|Play Nice}} for too long, the moves section will never be completed, can anyone edit this with the addition? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 01:11, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
::If you're not going to do it yourself, be patient and someone will get it eventually, but I urge you to try doing it yourself. It's really not that hard, and it'll give you practice understanding templates. Just follow the format the other moves are in, and put in the information given on the {{m|Play Nice}} page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

== Introduction of Normal-Type moves Trivia ==

According to the little asterisk in the trivia section beside the number of moves introduced in Gen I, it mentions that it includes those that have changed type. There's nothing wrong with that, but it says it includes Moonlight, Charm, and Sweet Kiss, all of which weren't originally from Gen I. According to the moves' pages, they were all introduced in Gen II. Could someone double check that information and correct it if the trivia on this page is wrong? I apologize if I've misunderstood the information in the trivia section, but I just wanted to check on that. Please And thank you. [[User:Shadowkat777|Shadowkat777]] ([[User talk:Shadowkat777|talk]]) 20:06, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

==Guillotine?==
Guillotine should have 30% accuracy, not -%. It is a One-hit-KO move, and its page even says 30% accuracy. [[User: Slaking Kong|SlakingKong]] 07:04, 8 April 2015 (EST)
:Um, no. Its page actually says that its accuracy is —%, and that its accuracy was 30% only in Gen I.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

== We Should Mention Ion Deluge ==

How to do so, though? We have an Interacting with Normal Type section in Abilities, should we add one in Moves too? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 21:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Zekrom (Pokémon)

2015-05-25T02:27:04Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Trivia */ To keep the format identical to the other mascots. I'm personally thinking that last line should be removed for speculation, but I'll let some one else decide.

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'''Zekrom''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゼクロム''' ''Zekrom'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Electric}} [[Legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Zekrom is the version mascot of [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon White]], appearing on the boxart.

Along with {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Kyurem}}, it is a member of the [[Tao trio]], which exists in the legends of the [[Unova]] Region.

{{p|Kyurem}} will become [[Form differences#Kyurem|Black Kyurem]] upon using the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} to fuse with Zekrom.

==Biology==
[[File:644Zekrom-Activated.png|thumb|left|230px|Zekrom's tail turbine activated]]
Zekrom is a black, bipedal Pokémon resembling a dragon or dinosaur, with dark patches on various portions of its body. It has red scleras, white irises, and black pupils, as well as a small horn-like protrusion on the tip of its snout. Its head sports a thundercloud-like crest tipped with light-blue coloration. There are six pairs of pointed teeth visible when its mouth is open, two in the upper jaw and four in the lower. At the base of its neck is a black, stud-like feature, and atop its shoulders are similar, larger features resembling armor padding. The bases of its wings also have such padding, and a fanned, splayed, seemingly webbed shape with a small "wing-spike" on one edge. The lower length of Zekrom's arms extenuate into splayed, seemingly webbed, somewhat baseball-mitt-like formations, with three-clawed, dark-colored hands on the undersides. The front portion of Zekrom's waist is black-colored, with its belly and thighs having thin striations down their length. Its knees are black, as are the foremost parts of its three-clawed feet and spiked heels.

Zekrom's tail consists of large, round, conical and spiked formation, likened to an electricity generator, with a black inner portion and bands on the tip of the outside portion. This tail produces energy for its attacks and emits an anti-gravity field, allowing Zekrom to fly through the air with minimal effects from aerodynamic resistance and gravity. It can cause several thunderstorms in one area, and it normally hides in thunderclouds. In a Unova myth about the twin heroes, Zekrom sided with the younger brother who sought for ideals. It is a genderless species. It is the only Pokémon that can learn {{m|Bolt Strike}}, though it is commonly associated with the move {{m|Fusion Bolt}}.

==In the anime==
[[File:Zekrom M14.png|250px|thumb|Zekrom in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Zekrom (M14)]]====
{{OBP|Zekrom|M14}} appeared in ''[[M14|Black—Victini and Reshiram]]'' and ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom]]''. In the former, it is controlled by [[Damon]], while in the latter, it is controlled by {{Ash}}. Along with {{OBP|Reshiram|M14}}, Zekrom can [[Talking Pokémon|speak through telepathy]].

====Other====
A Zekrom made its debut in a cameo in the opening of ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''. It made its full appearance later where it appeared above the skies of [[Nuvema Town]], its huge lightning bolt zapped {{AP|Pikachu}} making it unable to use its electricity. It appears again in ''[[BW002|Enter Iris and Axew!]]'', where Pikachu recovers its electric powers.

Zekrom was mentioned again in ''[[BW010|A Rival Battle for Club Champ!]]'' and ''[[BW110|The Name's N!]]''.

A Zekrom is set to appear in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'', along with the other members of [[Tao trio|its trio]], the [[creation trio]], the [[Eon duo]], {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Lugia}}, and {{p|Regigigas}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Zekrom appeared in a fantasy in ''[[BW123|Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!]]''.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Zekrom Adventures.png|thumb|160px|right|Zekrom in Pokémon Adventures]]
Zekrom makes an appearance in an image while the [[Shadow Triad]] plot to steal the Dark Stone from [[Clay]]. [[N]] awakened it from the stone and it is currently with him.

===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[Ryouga]] uses a Burst Heart with a Zekrom inside of it to [[Burst]], allowing him to use the abilities that the Pokémon possesses.

===In the Pokémon BW: The Heroes of Fire and Thunder manga===
[[N]] befriends a Zekrom atop [[Dragonspiral Tower]] and uses it to enforce his ideal of turning [[Unova]] into a country where only Pokémon reside.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Zekrom (TCG)}}
==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
Zekrom appears on the {{st|Unova Pokémon League}} stage, where it will cover itself in a ball of lightning and hit the stage. Any fighters it touches will be damaged and if it hits the side of the stage, the stage will be tipped. It will also destroy the steps attached to the stage, if there are any.

====Trophy information====
''Zekrom's jet-black body contrasts sharply with the pure white of Reshiram, but the two do have some similarities: both are Legendary Pokémon said to have world- destroying powers. Zekrom's tail acts as a generator that can scorch the world with lightning, but it is said to assist those who wish to build an ideal world.''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=dragon|type2=electric}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Black|t=FFF|entry=Concealing itself in lightning clouds, it flies throughout the Unova region. It creates electricity in its tail.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=White|entry=This Pokémon appears in legends. In its tail, it has a giant generator that creates electricity.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with lightning. It assists those who want to build an ideal world.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with lightning. It assists those who want to build an ideal world.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Concealing itself in lightning clouds, it flies throughout the Unova region. It creates electricity in its tail.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with lightning. It assists those who want to build an ideal world.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=Concealing itself in lightning clouds, it flies throughout the Unova region. It creates electricity in its tail.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=dragon|type2=electric}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Black|area=[[Trade]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=White|area=[[N's Castle]]/[[Dragonspiral Tower]]{{tt|*|Only appears if both Pokémon party and PC boxes are completely full upon encountering it at N's Castle}} ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation V#Zekrom|Only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Black 2|t=FFF|area=[[Dragonspiral Tower]] ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation V#Zekrom_2|Only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=White 2}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Omega Ruby}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|area=[[Fabled Cave]] (Requires a [[Level]] 100 Pokémon in the player's party.)}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}
[[File:PP2 Zekrom.png|thumb|right|200px|Zekrom in [[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond]]]]

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=dragon
|type2=electric
|rumble2=Cave: All ([[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Legendary Boss Pokémon|Random Legendary Encounter]])
|pokepark2=[[Wish Park]]
|conquest=[[Violight]] (special)
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=dragon|type2=electric}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Ash's Zekrom|Japanese|Japan|100|July 9, 2011 July 16 to September 30, 2011|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Ash's Zekrom|Korean|South Korea|100|December 22, 2011 to February 29, 2012|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Dutch Spring 2012 Zekrom|English|The Netherlands|100|February 18, 2012|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Spring 2012 Zekrom|English|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Spring 2012 Zekrom|French|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to 25, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi French event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Spring 2012 Zekrom|German|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi German event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Spring 2012 Zekrom|Italian|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|Bl}}|Spring 2012 Zekrom|Spanish|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Zekrom}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Dragon|type2=Electric
|event1=Dragon Gem|event1type=Gem|event1rar=100|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
type2=Electric|
HP=100|
Attack=150|
Defense=120|
SpAtk=120|
SpDef=100|
Speed=90}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Electric|
Normal=100|
Flying=50|
Fighting=100|
Ground=200|
Rock=100|
Bug=100|
Poison=100|
Ghost=100|
Steel=50|

Fire=50|
Grass=50|
Electric=25|
Psychic=100|
Water=50|
Ice=200|
Dragon=200|
Dark=100|
Fairy=200}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|8|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|29|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''|Cool|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Fusion Bolt|Electric|Physical|100|100|5||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|54|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|64|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|71|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|1|4}}
{{learnlist/level6|78|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|85|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|92|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/level6|100|Bolt Strike|Electric|Physical|130|85|5||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM19|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM51|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15||'''|Tough|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''|no|yes|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20||'''|no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Thunder Punch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15||'''|no|yes|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|||no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Zekrom|Dragon|Electric|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Dragon|
type2=Electric|
ndex=644|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=5|
rumble2defense=5|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad2=Zekrom is watching over {{ga|PokéPark}} and [[Wish Park]]. Zekrom seeks for ideals and wishes for a strong and noble world.|
Park2strong=|
Park2weak=[[File:Pikachu icon.png|link=Pikachu (Pokémon)]][[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]][[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]]|
Conquest=yes|
ConquestAtk=5|
ConquestSpd=5|
ConquestDef=4|
ConquestHP=4|
ConquestRange=3|
ConquestMove={{m|Bolt Strike}}|
ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Teravolt}}|
ConquestAbility2=|
ConquestAbility3=|
ConquestEvo=Does not evolve into or from anything|
ConquestLink='''[[Nobunaga]]'''
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Electric
|pictype=art
|no1=644
|name1=Zekrom
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Electric
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=dragon|type2=electric}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=V}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=644}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=644}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|644|Zekrom}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Reshiram and Zekrom units 2010.png|thumb|200px|Reshiram and Zekrom at Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in 2010]]
* In games prior to [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], Zekrom has a catch rate of 45. This is likely due to it being a required capture during the storyline of [[Pokémon Black and White]].
* Zekrom was first revealed simultaneously alongside {{p|Reshiram}} on both the official English and Japanese Pokémon websites on May 28, 2010. This makes them the first two Pokémon simultaneously revealed worldwide.
* On May 31, 2010, two weeks prior to the official revelation of Zekrom's [[type]], [[Shōko Nakagawa]] spoke about her love of {{type|Electric}} Pokémon on her blog and mentioned that because of that, she wanted to get a Zekrom. This statement was then quickly removed.
* Zekrom has the highest {{stat|Attack}} base stat, {{stat|Defense}} base stat, and base stat total of all {{type|Electric}} Pokémon.
* Zekrom is the [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] Pokémon introduced in Generation V and the [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] {{type|Electric}} Pokémon.
* Zekrom, as well as {{p|Reshiram}}, made an appearance alongside {{p|Pikachu}} and a [[Poké Ball]] in 2010's {{wp|Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade}}.
* Although Zekrom has a {{Shiny}} palette, [[Pokémon Black and White]] are programmed so that a Shiny Zekrom cannot be encountered. It shares this trait with {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Victini}}. However in Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, it is possible to encounter a Shiny Zekrom.
* Zekrom is [[Ken Sugimori]]'s favorite Pokémon from Pokémon Black and White.<ref>[http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/24213/what-is-ken-sugimoris-favourite-pokmon/ What is Ken Sugimori's favourite Pokémon?]</ref>

===Origin===
Zekrom and its counterpart {{p|Reshiram}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}} in {{wp|Taoism}}, directly referenced by Zekrom's Japanese species: the Black Yin Pokémon. According to [[Ken Sugimori]], Zekrom was designed to have a tougher and more masculine design to contrast to Reshiram's light, airy, feminine design. While the black design matches Zekrom's yin species names (yin being characterized by dark), its masculine design contrasts with yin (yin being characterized as feminine). Zekrom's tail, the center point of its design, is based on an electric {{wp|turbine}}.<ref>[http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 Interview with Ken Sugimori and development team]</ref> Appearance-wise, it somewhat resembles a midsized to large theropod dinosaur, such as {{wp|Allosaurus}} or {{wp|Tyrannosaurus}}, and a {{wp|European dragon}}. The crest on its head is based on a thundercloud. The mythology about how Zekrom and Reshiram came about, regarding two brothers infighting, also bears some similarities to {{wp|Romulus and Remus}} or {{wp|Cain and Abel}}. There is also some resemblance to the Zoroastrian belief of two equally powerful deities, one representing light and truth, and the other representing lies and darkness. In this case, Zekrom can be taken to resemble {{wp|Angra Mainyu}}, as opposed to Reshiram resembling {{wp|Ahura Mazda}}, although Zekrom is not evil; rather it is an equally powerful opposing legendary Pokémon.

====Name origin====
Zekrom is derived from 黒 ''kuro'' (black). [[Ken Sugimori]] has also stated that ''Ze'' was used because it was a harder, stronger sound than {{p|Reshiram}}'s ''Re'', and Zekrom is a "powerful, strong character."<ref>[[Official Nintendo Magazine]] UK, Issue 65</ref>

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dragon|type2=electric
|ja=ゼクロム ''Zekrom''|jameaning=Contains {{tt|黒 ''kuro''|black}}
|fr=Zekrom|frmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|es=Zekrom|esmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|de=Zekrom|demeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|it=Zekrom|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|ko=제크로무 ''Jekeuromu''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=捷克羅姆 / 捷克罗姆 ''Jiékèluómǔ''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
}}

 

==Related articles==
* [[Zekrom (M14)]]
* {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Zekrom|Zekrom (anime)}}

==Notes==
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Reshiram (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Reshiram | type=dragon | type2=fire | prev=Thundurus | next=Zekrom | prevnum=642 | nextnum=644 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Reshiram |
jname=レシラム |
jtranslit=Reshiramu |
tmname=Reshiram |
species=Vast White |
typebox=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2=Fire |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Turboblaze |
ndex=643 |
udex=149 |
u2dex=295 |
height-ftin=10'06" |
height-m=3.2 |
weight-lbs=727.5 |
weight-kg=330.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Undiscovered |
eggcycles=121 |
catchrate=3 |
evtotal=3 |
evsa=3 |
gendercode=255 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
color=White |
eggcycles=120 |
expyield=306 |
body=09 |
pokefordex=reshiram |
generation=5 |
friendship=0 |
}}
'''Reshiram''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''レシラム''' ''Reshiram'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Fire}} [[Legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Reshiram is the [[version mascot]] of [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black]], appearing on the boxart.

Along with {{p|Zekrom}} and {{p|Kyurem}}, it is a member of the [[Tao trio]], which exists in the legends of the [[Unova]] region.

{{p|Kyurem}} will become [[Form differences#Kyurem|White Kyurem]] upon using the {{key|V|DNA Splicers}} to fuse with Reshiram.

==Biology==
[[File:643Reshiram-Activated.png|thumb|left|250px|Reshiram's tail turbine activated]]
Reshiram is a white-colored, bipedal Pokémon with draconic, avian and mammalian traits. A long, voluminous wispy mane streams out from the upper side of the snout and outwards from its head. The top of this mane is adorned with two protrusions which resemble ears. Reshiram's face is fringed with spiky features, and it has a small, pointed extension below the chin. Its eyes have blue irises and black pupils. There are two pairs of pointed teeth visible when its mouth is open, one in the upper jaw and one in the lower.

Reshiram has a long and slender neck, with a fluffy, collar-like protrusion jutting out of two grey, glass-like neck-bands. Its arms begin slender and arm-like, but then flare out into a more wing-like appearance, sporting four claws which resemble hands on the leading edge. There are plates at the back of Reshiram's "hands", that sport a similar colour to its neck rings. Reshiram has a feathered or furry feature on its chest, with the lower portion protruding outwards to a point. Long feather-like protrusions jut out of its thighs. On its feet are large gray claws, three at the front and one positioned at the back, resembling high heels. Reshiram's tail is a mass of plume and ribbon-like extensions, surrounded by two large bands, similar to the ones around its neck.

Reshiram has a jet engine-like tail, which it uses to accelerate itself when flying at high speeds. It can send flames from its tail into the air to incinerate everything around it. By flaring its tail, Reshiram is capable of moving the world's atmosphere and changing the weather. This tail generator is also activated when influenced by either {{m|Fusion Bolt}} or {{m|Bolt Strike}}, which in turn powers up Reshiram's own {{m|Fusion Flare}} or {{m|Blue Flare}}. In Unova mythology, Reshiram sided with the older brother who sought the truth. As a result, it firmly believes in truth.

==In the anime==
[[File:Reshiram M14.png|250px|thumb|Reshiram in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Reshiram (M14)]]====
{{OBP|Reshiram|M14}} appeared in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom]]'' and ''[[M14|Black—Victini and Reshiram]]''. In the former, it is controlled by [[Damon]], while in the latter, it is controlled by {{Ash}}. Along with {{OBP|Zekrom|M14}}, Reshiram can [[Talking Pokémon|speak through telepathy]].

====''Episode N''====
Reshiram appears with a major role in the ''Best Wishes! Season 2: Episode N'' arc. It was first seen in [[N]]'s flashback in ''[[BW110|The Name's N!]]''. N had a flashback of his youth, a moment when he had been at his [[N's Castle|castle]], which, along with its surroundings, had been on fire at the moment. He saw Reshiram appearing before him, and kept looking at it as it flew away. It was later seen in another flashback in ''[[BW118|Secrets From Out of the Fog!]]'', rebelling against [[Ghetsis]] and [[Team Plasma]] by burning down N's Castle during a ceremony involving N, Ghetsis and the [[Seven Sages]].

It was seen in fantasies and as a statue in ''[[BW120|Ash and N: A Clash of Ideals!]]''. In ''[[BW122|What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals!]]'', Ghetsis summoned it using the Light Stone and [[Colress]] used his machine to take control of it. Ghetsis used it to attack {{Ash}}, {{an|N}} and the others when they tried to resist him, but it was ultimately freed once [[Ash's Pikachu]] destroyed Colress's machine. N was then able to convince it that not all humans were evil, and it departed peacefully.

===Minor appearances===
Reshiram made its debut in a brief cameo in the opening of ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]''.

A Reshiram appeared in a fantasy in ''[[BW109|New Places...Familiar Faces!]]

A Reshiram appeared in a dream in ''[[BW123|Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!]]''.

A Reshiram is set to appear in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'', along with the other members of [[Tao trio|its trio]], the [[creation trio]], the [[Eon duo]], {{p|Arceus}}, {{p|Lugia}}, and {{p|Regigigas}}.

==In the manga==
[[File:Fraud Reshiram.png|thumb|right|200px|Reshiram in Pokémon RéBURST]]
===In the Be the Best! Pokémon B+W manga===
A Reshiram appears under the ownership of [[Monta]].

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Black}} owns a Reshiram after awakening it from the Light Stone.

===In the Pokémon BW: The Heroes of Fire and Thunder manga===
In order to stop [[N]]'s rule over [[Unova]], {{OBP|Shin|FAT}} seeks out, is recognized as a hero by, and befriended by Reshiram.

===In the Pocket Monsters B2 W2 ~ A New Legend ~ manga===
[[Hiro]] owns a Reshiram in which it was responsible for the defeat of Team Plasma.

===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[Fraud]], a leader of [[Great Gavel]] has a Reshiram in which he can use as a [[Burst]] form.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Reshiram (TCG)}}
==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
Reshiram appears as a trophy in the 3DS version of the game.
====Trophy information====
''By setting its torch-like tail ablaze, this Pokémon can heat the atmosphere and change the weather. In fact, legend has it that Reshiram's flames are capable of incinerating the world itself, so perhaps the world's continued safety is a sign of its goodwill. Reshiram is said to help those who seek to build a world of truth.''

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Black|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon appears in legends. It sends flames into the air from its tail, burning up everything around it.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=White|entry=When Reshiram's tail flares, the heat energy moves the atmosphere and changes the world's weather.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with fire. It helps those who want to build a world of truth.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with fire. It helps those who want to build a world of truth.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=When Reshiram's tail flares, the heat energy moves the atmosphere and changes the world's weather.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=This legendary Pokémon can scorch the world with fire. It helps those who want to build a world of truth.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=When Reshiram's tail flares, the heat energy moves the atmosphere and changes the world's weather.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Black|t=FFF|area=[[N's Castle]]/[[Dragonspiral Tower]]{{tt|*|Only appears if both Pokémon party and PC boxes are completely full upon encountering it at N's Castle}} ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation V#Reshiram|Only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=White|area=[[Trade]], {{pkmn2|Event}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Black 2}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=White 2|area=[[Dragonspiral Tower]] ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation V#Reshiram_2|Only one]])}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|area=[[Fabled Cave]] (Requires a [[Level]] 100 Pokémon in the player's party.)}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Alpha Sapphire}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}
[[File:PP2 Reshiram.png|thumb|right|200px|Reshiram in [[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond]]]]

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=dragon
|type2=fire
|rumble2=Cave: All ([[Pokémon Rumble Blast#Legendary Boss Pokémon|Random Legendary Encounter]])
|pokepark2=[[Wish Park]]
|conquest=[[Ignis]] (special; [[Pokémon Conquest#Downloadable stories and events|Wi-Fi download]])
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Ash's Reshiram|Japanese|Japan|100|July 9, 2011 July 16 to September 30, 2011|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Ash's Reshiram|Korean|South Korea|100|December 22, 2011 to February 29, 2012|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Dutch Spring 2012 Reshiram|English|The Netherlands|100|February 18, 2012|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Spring 2012 Reshiram|English|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Spring 2012 Reshiram|French|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to 25, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi French event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Spring 2012 Reshiram|German|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi German event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Spring 2012 Reshiram|Italian|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|W}}|Spring 2012 Reshiram|Spanish|Wi-Fi|100|March 10 to April 8, 2012|link=List of Wi-Fi Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Reshiram}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=Dragon|type2=Fire
|event1=Dragon Gem|event1type=Gem|event1rar=100|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
HP=100|
Attack=120|
Defense=100|
SpAtk=150|
SpDef=120|
Speed=90}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
Normal=100|
Flying=100|
Fighting=100|
Ground=200|
Rock=200|
Bug=50|
Poison=100|
Ghost=100|
Steel=50|
Fire=25|
Grass=25|
Electric=50|
Psychic=100|
Water=100|
Ice=100|
Dragon=200|
Dark=100|
Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|8|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|15|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|22|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|29|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''|Cool|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|43|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|20|||Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Fusion Flare|Fire|Special|100|100|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|54|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|64|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|71|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|1|4}}
{{learnlist/level6|78|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|85|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|92|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/level6|100|Blue Flare|Fire|Special|130|85|5||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM19|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''|Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||'''|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM51|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25|||Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15||'''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|85|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|||Tough|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
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====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
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{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes|Beautiful|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|95|90|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''|no|yes|Cool|6|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|||no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Reshiram|Dragon|Fire|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Dragon|
type2=Fire|
ndex=643|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=5|
rumble2defense=5|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad2=Reshiram is watching over {{ga|PokéPark}} and [[Wish Park]]. Reshiram wishes for a world filled with genuine brightness and kindness.|
Park2strong=|
Park2weak=[[File:Pikachu icon.png|link=Pikachu (Pokémon)]][[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]][[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]]|
Conquest=yes|
ConquestAtk=5|
ConquestSpd=4|
ConquestDef=5|
ConquestHP=4|
ConquestRange=3|
ConquestMove={{m|Blue Flare}}|
ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Turboblaze}}|
ConquestAbility2=|
ConquestAbility3=|
ConquestEvo=Does not evolve into or from anything|
ConquestLink='''[[Hideyoshi]]'''
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Fire
|pictype=art
|no1=643
|name1=Reshiram
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Fire
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=V}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=643}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=643}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|643|Reshiram}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Reshiram and Zekrom units 2010.png|thumb|200px|Reshiram and Zekrom at Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in 2010]]
* In games prior to [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], Reshiram has a catch rate of 45. This is likely due to Reshiram being a required capture during the storyline of [[Pokémon Black and White]].
* Reshiram was first revealed simultaneously alongside {{p|Zekrom}} on both the official English and Japanese Pokémon websites on May 28, 2010. This makes them the first two Pokémon simultaneously revealed worldwide.
* Tied with {{p|Ho-Oh}}, Reshiram has the highest base stat total of all non-[[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{type|Fire}} Pokémon.
* Reshiram, as well as {{p|Zekrom}}, made an appearance alongside {{p|Pikachu}} and a [[Poké Ball]] in 2010's {{wp|Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade}}.
* In Generation V games, no combination of types and Abilities are resistant to both types of Reshiram's [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] attacks, thanks to its Ability {{a|Turboblaze}} which also nullified {{p|Heatran}}'s {{a|Flash Fire}} if using Fire-type moves. This is no longer true due to the addition of {{t|Fairy}} in {{g|X and Y}}.
* Although Reshiram has a {{Shiny}} palette, {{game|Black and White|s}} are programmed so that a Shiny Reshiram cannot be encountered. It shares this trait with {{p|Zekrom}} and {{p|Victini}}. However in Pokémon Omega Ruby, it is possible to encounter a Shiny Reshiram.

===Origin===
Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}} in {{wp|Taoism}}, directly referenced by Reshiram's Japanese species: the White Yang Pokémon. According to [[Ken Sugimori]], Reshiram has a light, airy, feminine design to contrast to Zekrom's tough and masculine design. While the white design matches Reshiram's yang species names (yang being characterized by light), its feminine design contrasts with yang (yang being characterized as masculine). In both versions of the [[M14|14th movie]], however, Reshiram speaks with a distinctly male voice. Reshiram's tail, the center point of its design, is based on an electric {{wp|turbine}}.<ref>[http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 Interview with Ken Sugimori and development team]</ref> Appearance-wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|pterosaur}}, and a {{wp|Wyvern}}. The crest on its head and its feathers resemble smoke trails, as well as white fire, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). The mythology about how Zekrom and Reshiram came about, regarding two brothers infighting, also bears some similarities to {{wp|Romulus and Remus}} or {{wp|Cain and Abel}}. There is also some resemblance to the Zoroastrian belief of two equally powerful deities, one representing light and truth, and the other representing lies and darkness. In this case, Reshiram can resemble {{wp|Ahura Mazda}}, due to its light and winged appearance, and the fact that it sided with truth, but also the fact that Reshiram is a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon, and Ahura Mazda was associated with fire.

====Name origin====
Reshiram is derived from 白 ''shiro'' (white). [[Ken Sugimori]] has also stated that ''Re'' was used because it was a softer sound than {{p|Zekrom}}'s ''Ze'', as Reshiram is a less physically powerful character.<ref>[[Official Nintendo Magazine]] UK, Issue 65</ref>

==In other languages==
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|ja=レシラム ''Reshiram''|jameaning=Contains {{tt|白 ''shiro''|white}}
|fr=Reshiram|frmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
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|de=Reshiram|demeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|it=Reshiram|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|ko=레시라무 ''Resiramu''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=雷希拉姆 ''Léixīlāmǔ''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
}}

 

==Related articles==
* [[Reshiram (M14)]]
* {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Reshiram|Reshiram (anime)}}

==Notes==
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==External links==
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Secret Meadow

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{{Infobox location
|image=None.png
|type=ocean
|location_name=Secret Meadow
|japanese_name=ひみつの花畑
|translated_name=Secret Meadow
|location=North of {{rt|130|Hoenn}}
|region=Hoenn
|mapdesc=There are many small caves in this meadow that would be ideal for making Secret Bases.
|generation={{gen|VI}}
}}

'''Secret Meadow''' (Japanese: '''ひみつの花畑 ''' ''Secret Meadow'') is a location in [[Hoenn]] with many Secret Spots where [[Secret Base]]s can be made. Other than {{m|Fly}}ing and [[soaring]], it can only be accessed by surfacing from the northwestern {{m|Dive}} spot in the [[underwater]] area on {{rt|130|Hoenn}}.

==Route description==
The Secret Meadow is a small meadow of grass and flowers surrounded by cliffs, through which climb several sets of stairs. There are six different Secret Spots around the Secret Meadow.

Flying or soaring to this location, the player will land several tiles in front of the central staircase.

There are no Trainers, wild Pokémon, or items here.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|ocean}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|ocean}}
|fr_eu=Champ Fleuri Secret
|de=Geheime Blumenwiese
|it=Valle Segreta
|ko=비밀의 꽃밭 ''Bimil-yi Kkochbat''
|es_eu=Prado Secreto
}}

==See also==
*[[Secret Islet]]
*[[Secret Shore]]

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Dewford Town

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|name=Dewford Town
|jpname=ムロタウン
|jptrans=Muro Town
|image=Dewford Town ORAS.png
|imageIII=Dewford Town RS.png
|slogan=A tiny island in the blue sea.
|mapdesc=New trends are always the rage among the inhabitants of this small island town.
|region=Hoenn
|north=Route 106
|regionnorth=Hoenn
|east=Route 107
|regioneast=Hoenn
|gym=Dewford Gym
|gymno=2
|leader=Brawly
|leadersprite=VSBrawly.png{{!}}150px
|badge=Knuckle
|gymtype=Fighting
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|colormed=ffb27f
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|generation=3
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'''Dewford Town''' (Japanese: '''ムロタウン''' ''Muro Town'') is located on an island southwest of mainland [[Hoenn]]. Dewford houses a dock, providing transportation between {{rt|104|Hoenn}} and [[Slateport City]]. The island town is home to [[Brawly]], the Dewford [[Gym Leader]] who specializes in {{type|Fighting}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. Unlike other towns, Dewford does not offer a [[Poké Mart]].

To the north of Dewford Town, on {{rt|106|Hoenn}}, is [[Granite Cave]], a popular spot for rock collectors.

==Places of interest==
===Dewford Hall===
Dewford Hall is located north of the [[Pokémon Center]], and is the northernmost building in the town. A sign outside reads:

{{sign|E|header}}
{{sign|E|title|DEWFORD HALL}}
{{sign|E|"Everyone's information exchange!"}}
{{sign|E|footer}}

Although it is a tiny island community, if someone says something "[[trendy phrase|trendy]]" there, it quickly spreads throughout the rest of Hoenn. Dewford Town is famous for these fads. Trendy phrases are usually passed around in Dewford Hall, called "Everyone's information exchange!" There is a boy just outside Dewford Hall that lets the player change the "trendy" phrase and people in Dewford Hall will be influenced by the trend. Changing this affects where {{p|Feebas}} appears in {{rt|119|Hoenn}}. If the player returns to Dewford Hall after collecting the {{Badge|Balance}}, a dark haired man with glasses will appear near the entrance and proclaim that he loves Sludge Bomb and then he will give the player {{TM|36|Sludge Bomb}}.

===Dewford Gym===
{{main|Dewford Gym}}
Dewford Gym is located in the southernmost portion of Dewford, south of the pier and the Pokémon Center. The sign outside reads:

{{sign|E|header}}
{{sign|E|title|DEWFORD TOWN POKéMON GYM}}
{{sign|E|title|LEADER: BRAWLY}}
{{sign|E|"A big wave in fighting!"}}
{{sign|E|footer}}

The Gym is run by [[Brawly]] who specializes in {{type|Fighting}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. Many citizens look up to [[Brawly]] and idolize him. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat him receive the {{Badge|Knuckle}}. The Gym is a dark maze in which only little light is given. If the players battle the Gym Trainers, more light is awarded to the player. Once the player defeats [[Brawly]], the Gym is fully illuminated.

==Demographics==
===Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire===
In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, the population of Dewford Town is 27.

===Pokémon Emerald===
In {{game|Emerald}}, the population of Dewford Town is 30.

===Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire===
In {{game|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|s}}, Dewford Town has a total population of 26.

==Items==
{{itlisth|sand}}
{{Itemlist|Silk Scarf|Gift from a lady{{sup/3|RSE}}/man{{sup/6|ORAS}} in the house immediately north from the port|Ru=yes|Sa=yes|E=yes|OR=yes|AS=yes|display={{DL|Type-enhancing item|Silk Scarf}}}}
{{Itemlist|Old Rod VI|Gift from the {{tc|Fisherman}} near [[Dewford Gym]]|Ru=yes|Sa=yes|E=yes|OR=yes|AS=yes|display={{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}}}}
{{Itemlist|none|sprite=Training Ribbon|Gift from a {{tc|Black Belt}} near the Pokémon Center if the player's Pokémon is [[Super Training|Supremely Trained]]|OR=yes|AS=yes|display={{DL|List of Ribbons in the games|Training Ribbon}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Poison VI|Gift from a {{tc|Collector}} in Dewford Hall (once the {{player}} has at least 5 [[Badge]]s)|Ru=yes|Sa=yes|E=yes|OR=yes|AS=yes|display={{TM|36|Sludge Bomb}}}}
{{itlistfoot|sand}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation III===
{{Catch/header|sand|no}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry3|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Surf|5-35|60%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry3|278|Wingull|yes|yes|yes|Surf|10-30|35%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry3|279|Pelipper|yes|yes|yes|Surf|25-30|5%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry3|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5-10|30%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry3|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5-10|70%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry3|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10-30|20%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry3|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10-30|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry3|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10-30|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry3|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-45|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|sand}}

===Generation VI===
{{Catch/header|sand|no}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryoras|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Surf|20, 25|65%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryoras|278|Wingull|yes|yes|Surf|20|30%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryoras|279|Pelipper|yes|yes|Surf|25, 30|5%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryoras|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|35%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryoras|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10, 15|65%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryoras|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Good|25|35%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryoras|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|25|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryoras|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|Fish Good|25|5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryoras|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|Fish Super|30, 35|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|sand}}

==Appearance==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{Locationcolor/dark|sand}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{ruby color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}}
! style="background:#{{sapphire color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Sapphire}}
! style="background:#{{emerald color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
! style="background:#{{omega ruby color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby}}
! style="background:#{{alpha sapphire color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Alpha Sapphire}}
|-
| colspan="2" | [[File:Dewford Town RS.png|250px]]
| [[File:Dewford Town E.png|250px]]
| colspan="2" | [[File:Dewford Town ORAS.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|sand}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Dewford Town anime.png|thumb|200px|left|Dewford Town in the anime]]
[[File:Dewford Island anime.png|thumb|200px|right|Dewford Island in the anime]]
Dewford Town appeared for a multiple episode arc between ''[[AG019|Sharpedo Attack!]]'' and ''[[AG031|Just One of the Geysers]]'', in which it was referred to as "Dewford Island". {{Ash}} sought to obtain the {{Badge|Knuckle}} from [[Brawly]], but failed in his first attempt in ''[[AG020|Brave the Wave]]''. He remained on the island for a lengthy time period, training, and finally defeated the Gym Leader in ''[[AG031|Just One of the Geysers]]''.

During Ash's training on Dewford Island, [[May's Wurmple]] evolved into {{p|Silcoon}} and eventually {{p|Beautifly}}, he and {{ashfr}} met up with [[Hoenn]]'s {{pkmn|Champion}} {{Steven}}, and he caught a {{AP|Corphish}}, while {{an|Brock}} caught a {{TP|Brock|Mudkip}}.
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==In the manga==
[[File:Dewford Town Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Dewford Town in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{incomplete|section}}
Dewford Town first apeared in the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}} where both {{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} arrived there at the same time riding on [[Mr. Briney]]'s boat and {{p|Wailord|Lorry}}, respectively.

It reappeared in the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}} where Sapphire and {{adv|Emerald}} were practing with their Pokémon's Elemental Hyper Beams.
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==Trivia==
* Dewford's Japanese motto is {{tt|あおいうみにうかぶちいさなしま|Aoi umi ni ukabu chiisana shima}} ''"A tiny island in the blue sea".
* Dewford is also one of the three locations in Hoenn without a [[Poké Mart]]; [[Littleroot Town]] and [[Pacifidlog Town]] being the other two.
* Like [[Chuck]], the leader of the [[Cianwood Gym]], [[Brawly]] of Dewford Gym specializes in {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon. Furthermore, both Gyms are on an island to the southwest of their respective regions, and neither town has a [[Poké Mart]].

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #FFB27F; border: 3px solid #FF9966"
|-
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ムロタウン ''Muro Town''
| From 室 ''muro'' (cellar) or 榁 ''muro'' ({{wp|Juniperus rigida|Temple juniper}}). Can also be from 武 ''mu'' (martial arts) and 露 ''ro'' (dew)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Dewford Town
| From ''dew'' and ''{{wp|Ford (crossing)|ford}}''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Village Myokara
| From ''village'' and μυός ''muos'', Greek for muscle
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Faustauhaven
| From ''Faust'' (fist), ''Tau'' (dew), and the suffix ''-haven'' (port)
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Bluruvia
| From ''blu'', blue
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Pueblo Azuliza
| From ''azul'', blue
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 무로마을 ''Muro Maeul''
| Same as Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 武鬥鎮／武斗镇 ''Wǔdòu Zhèn''
| Literally "Martial fight town"
|}

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Talk:Scolipede (Pokémon)

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== Japanese name ==

[http://www.bandai.co.jp/candy/img/w650h839DE382B1E383A2E383B3E383A1E38380E383ABE382B3E383ACE382AFE382B7E383A7E383B3E38399E382B9E38388E382A6E382A4E38383E382B7E383A5EFBC92set.jpg] like you see in this picture ''Pendra'''s name is ''Pendror''. --- Misaki, 13:53, 25 January 2011
:Yep, Pendra was never an '''official''' romanization. However, we shouldn't move it and Hatoboh because their English names are practically confirmed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pendror or Pendra? ==

The page contradicts itself. An admin that knows what the real japanese name of Pendr'a/or' should change it. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:We know, the only reason for keeping it like this is the international release of BW. Their English names will be revealed soon enough, so it's useless to rename all the stuff at this moment. So, kindly wait for few more days. Thank you ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 01:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::I am not referring to the English names, I am referring to the fact that the '''japanese''' name of Pendr(a/or) changes throughout the article. At some points it says Pendra at others it says Pendror. I was wondering which '''japanese''' name is trademarked. Pendror seems to be the one used around the site, and while we don't have to move the page considering the english names will be confirmed before we know it, we should at least make the article consistent with itself. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Look a link above, Pendror is trademarked. That's why it's mentioned in infobox and intro.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 17:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Easy to say, hard to do *no offense*. Staff have decided to leave it as it is for now, it'll be pointless/time taking to move/rename all the stuff over and over again when we know that we have to do it all over again soon enough. Kindly, have some patience. Thank you ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 18:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

(To add if and when 'Scolipede' is the confirmed english name:)

Scolipede is a combination of the words centipede and ''[[wp:Scolopendra|Scolopendra]]'', a genus of centipedes. Pendror, Scolipede's japanese name, also derives from the word ''Scolopendra''. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== More like a Millipede? ==
I think Pendror looks much more like a centipede than a millipede. Look at the images following the links below and compare them to Pendror and I think it is easy to see that it looks more like a centipede than a millipede AND afterall it is the Mega '''Centipede''' Pokémon.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Centipede.jpg]
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mating_Archispirostreptus_gigas.JPG]
(millipede close up:)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Narceus_americanus.jpg] I refuse to say that it has no relation to a millipede, but saying that it looks more like a millipede is a matter of opinion and should be changed to say something along the lines of{{tt|,|I use Pendra since that's what the rest of the article uses save for three instances at the top of the page}} "Pendra also shares traits found in other [[wp:Arthropods|arthropods]] such as the [[wp:Millipede|millipede]]." --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
: I have to agree that it is more like a centipede than a millipede, as a key distinction between the two is that a centipede has only one pair of legs per body segment whereas a millipede has two pairs of legs per segment (excluding the first 3 segments which have one pair of legs each) and this Pokémon ''clearly'' has one pair of legs on all of it's body segments. [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 21:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't think ''scoliosis'' has anything to do with its name. It simply has a similar etymology to ''scolopendra'' [[User:Dakhem Uaid|Dakhem Uaid]] ([[User talk:Dakhem Uaid|talk]]) 21:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Llama ==

By the way it stands, do you think that some of its origin comes from a {{wp|llama}} or {{wp|alpaca}}? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 12:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:...no...not at all [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 13:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia needs rewording ==

The trivia currently includes a poorly-worded line about Scolipede and Purugly's Speed stats. Can someone who can still edit this page fix the wording? --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 16:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Ancient Centipede ==

Could Scolipede also be based off Arthropleura? An ancient Centipede which grew to about the size of a car? Here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropleura [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 11:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Naming? ==

I think that Scolipede's name may come from scold, in direct contrast with Leavanny's nature. It's not the first time that the english version of the game made "counterparts", for lack of a better word, easier to see.{{unsigned|Spearbeedrill15}}

== Scolipede A Mix ==

To me this looks more like a mix between a centipede and a millipede for one reason
It has the body and legs of a millipede and the end peaces of a centipede. This is probably to "Kill two birds with one stone. {{unsigned|Hoytti}}
:[[n:On the Origin of Species: Venipede, Whirlipede and Scolipede|This]] provides a great explanation as to why it is primarily inspired by a centipede. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Speed Boost ==

As of Gen VI, Scolipede's Hidden Ability is Speed Boost. This also applies to its pre-evolutions. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 21:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Mouseover for Speedboost? ==

Should we not have a mouseover for Quick Feet changing to Speed Boost in Gen V-VI? I don't know how to do it considering Speed Boost is also a link... If it's not possible to change that, can we make "Hidden Ability" a mouseover? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Mega Evolution

2014-12-03T05:35:58Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Introduced in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} */ Item known as Meteorite Shard,

{{redirect|Mega|{{adv|Crystal}}'s {{p|Meganium}} in [[Pokémon Adventures]], which is known as Mega in [[Chuang Yi]] translations|Megaree}}
{{incomplete|needs=Details about Mega Rayquaza}}
[[File:Blaziken Mega Evolution.png|thumb|240px|Blaziken Mega Evolving into Mega Blaziken]]

'''Mega Evolution''' (Japanese: '''メガシンカ''' ''Mega Evolution'') is a new transformation affecting {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, found only in the [[Kalos]] region. Mega Evolutions are identified by having "Mega" in front of their name.

[[Korrina]], the Gym Leader of [[Shalour City]], is said to know secrets about Mega Evolution. The [[Tower of Mastery]] is also related to Mega Evolution. According to a legend, the first Pokémon to have been Mega Evolved was a {{p|Lucario}}.

==Mega Evolving==
[[File:Tretta Mega Evolution icon.png|thumb|150px|The Mega Evolution sigil, as seen in {{g|Tretta}}]]
In order to Mega Evolve, the Pokémon must be holding the appropriate [[Mega Stone]] and its Trainer must have a [[Key Stone]]. [[Professor Sycamore]] theorizes that even with the Mega Stone and the respective item to resonate with the stone, Mega Evolution cannot be achieved if there is not a strong bond between Trainer and Pokémon.

Once per battle, only a single Pokémon for each Trainer may Mega Evolve. Switching the Mega Evolved Pokémon out will not dissolve a Mega Evolution. A Mega Evolved Pokémon can only revert back to its original state upon [[fainting]] or the conclusion of the battle. If a Mega Evolved Pokémon faints, but is later revived, that Pokémon cannot obtain a Mega Evolved state again for the remaining duration of the battle.

Mega Stones cannot be taken via {{m|Thief}} or {{m|Covet}}. Abilities such as {{a|Magician}} and {{a|Pickpocket}} will fail to snatch the Mega Stone from its holder. If used by the holder, moves such as {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Fling}}, {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} will always fail. {{m|Embargo}} and {{m|Magic Room}} also have no effect, and will not prevent a Pokémon from using its Mega Stone to Mega Evolve.

A Pokémon cannot Mega Evolve while shifting position in a Triple Battle, or during the airborne phase of {{m|Sky Drop}}. [[Status condition]]s such as paralysis and sleep have no effect over a Pokémon's ability to Mega Evolve.
{{left clear}}
==Effects==
A Mega-Evolved Pokémon has different [[base stats]], with the exception of {{stat|HP}}, and can have a different [[Ability]] and [[type]] from its non-Mega-Evolved form. Every Mega-Evolved Pokémon except for Mega Alakazam has a base stat total 100 points higher than that of its base form. Mega Alakazam only has a base stat total 90 points higher than its total as Alakazam (but its base stat total is 100 higher than that of Alakazam prior to Generation VI).

Since movement order is determined before any moves are used (except changes due to {{m|Quash}} and {{m|After You}}), the Pokémon's new Speed or Ability will not affect movement order on the turn during which it Mega Evolves.

==Pokémon capable of Mega Evolution==
===Introduced in {{pkmn|X and Y}}===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{y color}}; background: #{{x color}}"
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | Before Mega Evolution
! colspan=3 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | After Mega Evolution
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stone
|- style="background: #{{x color light}}"
! Image
! Type
! Image
! Type
! Ability
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Venusaur}}
|[[File:003Venusaur.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:003Venusaur-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Thick Fat}}
|[[File:Dream Venusaurite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Venusaurite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Charizard}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:006Charizard.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Charizardite X Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite X}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Drought}}
|[[File:Dream Charizardite Y Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Blastoise}}
|[[File:009Blastoise.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|[[File:009Blastoise-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|{{a|Mega Launcher}}
|[[File:Dream Blastoisinite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Blastoisinite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Alakazam}}
|[[File:065Alakazam.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:065Alakazam-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Trace}}
|[[File:Dream Alakazite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Alakazite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gengar}}
|[[File:094Gengar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:094Gengar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Shadow Tag}}
|[[File:Dream Gengarite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gengarite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Kangaskhan}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|{{a|Parental Bond}}
|[[File:Dream Kangaskhanite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Kangaskhanite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Pinsir}}
|[[File:127Pinsir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}
|[[File:127Pinsir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Aerilate}}
|[[File:Dream Pinsirite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Pinsirite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gyarados}}
|[[File:130Gyarados.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:130Gyarados-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|[[File:Dream Gyaradosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gyaradosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Aerodactyl}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Aerodactylite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Aerodactylite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:150Mewtwo.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Steadfast}}
|[[File:Dream Mewtwonite X Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite X}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Insomnia}}
|[[File:Dream Mewtwonite Y Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Ampharos}}
|[[File:181Ampharos.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:181Ampharos-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|[[File:Dream Ampharosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Ampharosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Scizor}}
|[[File:212Scizor.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:212Scizor-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Technician}}
|[[File:Dream Scizorite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Scizorite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Heracross}}
|[[File:214Heracross.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:214Heracross-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Skill Link}}
|[[File:Dream Heracronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Heracronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Houndoom}}
|[[File:229Houndoom.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|[[File:229Houndoom-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|{{a|Solar Power}}
|[[File:Dream Houndoominite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Houndoominite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Tyranitar}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Sand Stream}}
|[[File:Dream Tyranitarite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Tyranitarite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Blaziken}}
|[[File:257Blaziken.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:257Blaziken-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Speed Boost}}
|[[File:Dream Blazikenite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Blazikenite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gardevoir}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Pixilate}}
|[[File:Dream Gardevoirite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gardevoirite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Mawile}}
|[[File:303Mawile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:303Mawile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Huge Power}}
|[[File:Dream Mawilite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mawilite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Aggron}}
|[[File:306Aggron.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Rock}}
|[[File:306Aggron-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Filter}}
|[[File:Dream Aggronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Aggronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Medicham}}
|[[File:308Medicham.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:308Medicham-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Pure Power}}
|[[File:Dream Medichamite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Medichamite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Manectric}}
|[[File:310Manectric.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:310Manectric-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|{{a|Intimidate}}
|[[File:Dream Manectite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Manectite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Banette}}
|[[File:354Banette.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|[[File:354Banette-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|{{a|Prankster}}
|[[File:Dream Banettite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Banettite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Absol}}
|[[File:359Absol.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:359Absol-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|[[File:Dream Absolite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Absolite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Garchomp}}
|[[File:445Garchomp.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:445Garchomp-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sand Force}}
|[[File:Dream Garchompite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Garchompite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Lucario}}
|[[File:448Lucario.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:448Lucario-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Adaptability}}
|[[File:Dream Lucarionite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Lucarionite}}
|-
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}"|{{p|Abomasnow}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:460Abomasnow.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:460Abomasnow-Mega.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|style="background:#FFF"|{{a|Snow Warning}}
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}"|[[File:Dream Abomasite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Abomasite}}
|}

===Introduced in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{alpha sapphire color}}; background: #{{omega ruby color}}"
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}" | Before Mega Evolution
! colspan=3 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}" | After Mega Evolution
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stone
|- style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}"
! Image
! Type
! Image
! Type
! Ability
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Beedrill}}
|[[File:015Beedrill.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:015Beedrill-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Adaptability}}
|[[File:Dream Beedrillite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Beedrillite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Pidgeot}}
|[[File:018Pidgeot.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:018Pidgeot-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|No Guard}}
|[[File:Dream Pidgeotite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Pidgeotite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Slowbro}}
|[[File:080Slowbro.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:080Slowbro-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Shell Armor}}
|[[File:Dream Slowbronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Slowbronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Steelix}}
|[[File:208Steelix.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:208Steelix-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sand Force}}
|[[File:Dream Steelixite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Steelixite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Sceptile}}
|[[File:254Sceptile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}
|[[File:254Sceptile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Lightning Rod}}
|[[File:Dream Sceptilite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sceptilite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Swampert}}
|[[File:260Swampert.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:260Swampert-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Swift Swim}}
|[[File:Dream Swampertite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Swampertite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Sableye}}
|[[File:302Sableye.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|[[File:302Sableye-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|[[File:Dream Sablenite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sablenite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Sharpedo}}
|[[File:319Sharpedo.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:319Sharpedo-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Strong Jaw}}
|[[File:Dream Sharpedonite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sharpedonite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Camerupt}}
|[[File:323Camerupt.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:323Camerupt-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sheer Force}}
|[[File:Dream Cameruptite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Cameruptite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Altaria}}
|[[File:334Altaria.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:334Altaria-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Pixilate}}
|[[File:Dream Altarianite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Altarianite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Glalie}}
|[[File:362Glalie.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ice}}
|[[File:362Glalie-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ice}}
|{{a|Refrigerate}}
|[[File:Dream Glalitite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Glalitite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Salamence}}
|[[File:373Salamence.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:373Salamence-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Aerilate}}
|[[File:Dream Salamencite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Salamencite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Metagross}}
|[[File:376Metagross.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:376Metagross-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Metagrossite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Metagrossite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Latias}}
|[[File:380Latias.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:380Latias-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Levitate}}
|[[File:Dream Latiasite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Latiasite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Latios}}
|[[File:381Latios.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:381Latios-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Levitate}}
|[[File:Dream Latiosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Latiosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Rayquaza}}
|[[File:384Rayquaza.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:384Rayquaza-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Delta Stream}}
|[[File:None.png|80px]] None{{tt|*|Rayquaza swallows the Meteorite Shard and learns Dragon Ascent, which makes Rayquaza capable of Mega Evolution.}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Lopunny}}
|[[File:428Lopunny.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:428Lopunny-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Scrappy}}
|[[File:Dream Lopunnite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Lopunnite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Gallade}}
|[[File:475Gallade.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:475Gallade-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Inner Focus}}
|[[File:Dream Galladite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Galladite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Audino}}
|[[File:531Audino.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:531Audino-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Healer}}
|[[File:Dream Audinite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Audinite}}
|-
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}"|{{p|Diancie}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:719Diancie.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:719Diancie-Mega.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFF"|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Diancite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Diancite}}
|}

==In other games==
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
{{SSB|Charizard}}'s and {{SSB|Lucario}}'s [[Final Smash]]es Mega Evolve them into Mega Charizard X and Mega Lucario, respectively.

Mega {{p|Venusaur}} and Mega {{p|Blastoise}} appear in at least the 3DS version as collectable trophies.

===[[Pokkén Tournament]]===
{{p|Lucario}} was seen Mega Evolving in the announcement trailer. How it operates is not known at this time.

==In the anime==
[[File:Blaziken Mask Mega Blaziken.png|250px|thumb|Mega Blaziken in the anime]]
===In the main series===
Several Mega Evolutions have been featured in the {{pkmn|anime}}.

The first Mega Evolution in the anime was featured in ''[[SS026|Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]'', where {{OBP|Mewtwo|Best Wishes series}} was shown being capable of changing between its regular form and Mega Mewtwo Y form, in which its speed was dramatically boosted, being capable of moving faster than the blink of an eye. The same Mewtwo also played a major role in ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'', once again demonstrating its Mega Evolution capabilities. Unlike in the games, this Mewtwo seemed to be capable of Mega Evolving without the use of a [[Mega Stone]].

Another Mega Evolution was featured in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'', where {{Ash}} saw a Mega {{p|Blaziken}}. In the [[XY002|next episode]], it was revealed to belong to a masked hero called the [[Blaziken Mask]], saving Ash from a free fall from the [[Lumiose Gym|Prism Tower]]. The Mega Blaziken and its Trainer appeared again in ''[[XY010|Mega-Mega Meowth Madness!]]'', helping Ash and {{ashfr}} to destroy one of [[Team Rocket's mechas]].

A couple of Mega Evolutions, including a Mega {{p|Ampharos}}, appeared as silhouettes in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'' while [[Professor Sycamore]] told Ash, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Bonnie}} about the concept of Mega Evolution.

In ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution I]]'', a protagonist named [[Alain]] was featured traveling across the Kalos region with his Mega {{p|Charizard}} X, challenging other Mega Evolution Trainers. During the episode, Alain battled [[Astrid]]'s Mega {{p|Absol}} and [[Remo]]'s Mega {{p|Garchomp}}, and was victorious in both battles. Later in the special, he even faced the [[Elite Four]] member [[Siebold]] and his Mega {{p|Blastoise}}, but the powerful {{type|Water}} Pokémon proved to be too much for Charizard, causing Alain to lose the battle.

All known Mega Evolutions released at the time were also featured during the intro of the aforementioned [[side story episode|special episode]].

[[Diantha]]'s Mega {{p|Gardevoir}} appeared in ''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''. Korrina has a {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} that can Mega Evolve, and so does her grandfather [[Gurkinn]], as shown in ''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]''. A Trainer named [[Mabel]] and her Mega {{p|Mawile}} appeared in ''[[XY034|The Bonds of Mega Evolution!]]''.

[[File:Red Mega Charizard X PO.png|250px|thumb|left|Mega Charizard X in Pokémon Origins]]

===In Pokémon Origins===
{{OBP|Red|Origins}}'s Charizard was shown Mega Evolving into Mega Charizard X in the [[Pokémon Origins]] episode ''[[PO04|File 4 - Charizard]]'' during Red's battle against {{p|Mewtwo}}, thanks to the Charizardite X and Key Stone given to him by [[Mr. Fuji]] in [[PO02|an earlier episode]].
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==In the manga==
[[File:X Li'l Kanga Mega Kangaskhan.png|150px|thumb|Mega Kangaskhan in the Pokémon Adventures manga]]
[[File:Korrina Mega Lucario Adventures.png|150px|thumb|left|Mega Lucario in the Pokémon Adventures manga]]
===In the Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King manga===
In [[Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King]], several main characters' Pokémon are capable of Mega Evolution, including {{OBP|Akira|LDK}}'s {{p|Charizard}}, {{OBP|Koji|LDK}}'s {{p|Garchomp}} and [[Taichi]]'s {{p|Ampharos}}.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Mega Evolution was first presented in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga in the {{chap|X & Y}}. When [[Team Flare]] members [[Aliana]] and [[Mable]] arrived in [[Vaniville Town]] in order to steal {{adv|X}}'s [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]], the commotion caused X's baby {{p|Kangaskhan}}, Li'l Kanga, to react with X's Mega Ring and Mega Evolve into Mega Kangaskhan, easily defeating Aliana's {{p|Pyroar}} and Mable's {{p|Houndoom}}.

When X and his friends were attacked by Team Flare in [[Santalune City]], [[Korrina]] arrived and Mega Evolved her {{p|Lucario}} into Mega Lucario to assist them.
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==In the TCG==
Mega Evolution is featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] as {{Mega}}{{TCG|Pokémon-EX|Pokémon}}{{EX}}. They were added as a new mechanic to the game in the {{TCG|XY}} expansion as an evolution of Pokémon-EX cards. Mega Evolving a Pokémon immediately ends a player's turn.
{{cardlist/header|Related cards|Colorless|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Venusaur-EX (XY 2)|Venusaur]]{{EX}}|type=Grass|modified=yes|jpset=Collection X|jpnum=002/060|jprarity=RR|enset=XY|ennum=2/146|enrarity=Rare Holo ex}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Blastoise-EX (XY 30)|Blastoise]]{{EX}}|type=Water|modified=yes|jpset=Collection Y|jpnum=015/060|jprarity=RR|enset=XY|ennum=30/146|enrarity=Rare Holo ex}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Charizard-EX (Flashfire 13)|Charizard]]{{EX}}|type=Fire|jpset=M-Charizard-EX Mega Battle Deck|jpnum=002/021|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=088/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=013/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=107/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Charizard-EX (Flashfire 69)|Charizard]]{{EX}}|type=Dragon|jpset=Wild Blaze|jpnum=055/080|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=089/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=069/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=108/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Kangaskhan-EX (Flashfire 79)|Kangaskhan]]{{EX}}|type=Colorless|jpset=Wild Blaze|jpnum=065/080|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=090/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=079/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=109/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Heracross-EX (Furious Fists 5)|Heracross]]{{EX}}|type=Grass|jpset=Rising Fist|jpnum=005/096|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Rising Fist|jpnum2=104/096|jprarity2=UR|enset=Furious Fists|ennum=005/111|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Furious Fists|ennum2=112/111|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Lucario-EX (Furious Fists 55)|Lucario]]{{EX}}|type=Fighting|jpset=Rising Fist|jpnum=053/096|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Rising Fist|jpnum2=105/096|jprarity2=UR|enset=Furious Fists|ennum=079/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Furious Fists|ennum2=113/111|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}Manectric{{EX}}|type=Lightning|jpset=Phantom Gate}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Gengar-EX (Phantom Gate 34)|Gengar]]{{EX}}|type=Psychic|jpset=Phantom Gate|jpnum=034/088|jprarity=RR}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Gengar-EX (XY-P Promo 79)|Gengar]]{{EX}}|type=Psychic|jpset=XY-P Promotional cards|jpnum=079/XY-P}}
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==Trivia==
* Every [[type]] has at least one Mega Evolution: {{t|Psychic}} has the most (with nine), while {{t|Ice}} and {{t|Electric}} have the fewest (with two each).
* {{p|Aerodactyl}} is the only [[Fossil|Fossil Pokémon]] capable of Mega Evolution.
* With {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 780|base stat totals of 780}}, Mega Mewtwo X, Y and Mega Rayquaza have the highest base stat totals out of any Pokémon.
** In addition, Mega Mewtwo Y also has the highest Special Attack base stat of all Pokémon at 194, and Mega Mewtwo X also has the highest Attack base stat of all Pokémon at 190, as well as the highest base stat raise of all Mega Evolutions, its Attack stat being boosted by 80 upon the process.
* {{p|Aggron}} is the only dual-type Pokémon to become single-type upon Mega Evolving, going from {{2t|Steel|Rock}}-type to pure {{type|Steel}}.
* {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}} are two Pokémon with multiple Mega Evolutions. In both cases, the first ones to be revealed were the Y versions.

==In other languages==
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Mega Evolution

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{{redirect|Mega|{{adv|Crystal}}'s {{p|Meganium}} in [[Pokémon Adventures]], which is known as Mega in [[Chuang Yi]] translations|Megaree}}
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[[File:Blaziken Mega Evolution.png|thumb|240px|Blaziken Mega Evolving into Mega Blaziken]]

'''Mega Evolution''' (Japanese: '''メガシンカ''' ''Mega Evolution'') is a new transformation affecting {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, found only in the [[Kalos]] region. Mega Evolutions are identified by having "Mega" in front of their name.

[[Korrina]], the Gym Leader of [[Shalour City]], is said to know secrets about Mega Evolution. The [[Tower of Mastery]] is also related to Mega Evolution. According to a legend, the first Pokémon to have been Mega Evolved was a {{p|Lucario}}.

==Mega Evolving==
[[File:Tretta Mega Evolution icon.png|thumb|150px|The Mega Evolution sigil, as seen in {{g|Tretta}}]]
In order to Mega Evolve, the Pokémon must be holding the appropriate [[Mega Stone]] and its Trainer must have a [[Key Stone]]. [[Professor Sycamore]] theorizes that even with the Mega Stone and the respective item to resonate with the stone, Mega Evolution cannot be achieved if there is not a strong bond between Trainer and Pokémon.

Once per battle, only a single Pokémon for each Trainer may Mega Evolve. Switching the Mega Evolved Pokémon out will not dissolve a Mega Evolution. A Mega Evolved Pokémon can only revert back to its original state upon [[fainting]] or the conclusion of the battle. If a Mega Evolved Pokémon faints, but is later revived, that Pokémon cannot obtain a Mega Evolved state again for the remaining duration of the battle.

Mega Stones cannot be taken via {{m|Thief}} or {{m|Covet}}. Abilities such as {{a|Magician}} and {{a|Pickpocket}} will fail to snatch the Mega Stone from its holder. If used by the holder, moves such as {{m|Bestow}}, {{m|Fling}}, {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} will always fail. {{m|Embargo}} and {{m|Magic Room}} also have no effect, and will not prevent a Pokémon from using its Mega Stone to Mega Evolve.

A Pokémon cannot Mega Evolve while shifting position in a Triple Battle, or during the airborne phase of {{m|Sky Drop}}. [[Status condition]]s such as paralysis and sleep have no effect over a Pokémon's ability to Mega Evolve.
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==Effects==
A Mega-Evolved Pokémon has different [[base stats]], with the exception of {{stat|HP}}, and can have a different [[Ability]] and [[type]] from its non-Mega-Evolved form. Every Mega-Evolved Pokémon except for Mega Alakazam has a base stat total 100 points higher than that of its base form. Mega Alakazam only has a base stat total 90 points higher than its total as Alakazam (but its base stat total is 100 higher than that of Alakazam prior to Generation VI).

Since movement order is determined before any moves are used (except changes due to {{m|Quash}} and {{m|After You}}), the Pokémon's new Speed or Ability will not affect movement order on the turn during which it Mega Evolves.

==Pokémon capable of Mega Evolution==
===Introduced in {{pkmn|X and Y}}===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{y color}}; background: #{{x color}}"
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | Before Mega Evolution
! colspan=3 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | After Mega Evolution
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stone
|- style="background: #{{x color light}}"
! Image
! Type
! Image
! Type
! Ability
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Venusaur}}
|[[File:003Venusaur.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:003Venusaur-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Thick Fat}}
|[[File:Dream Venusaurite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Venusaurite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Charizard}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:006Charizard.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Charizardite X Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite X}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Drought}}
|[[File:Dream Charizardite Y Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Blastoise}}
|[[File:009Blastoise.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|[[File:009Blastoise-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|{{a|Mega Launcher}}
|[[File:Dream Blastoisinite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Blastoisinite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Alakazam}}
|[[File:065Alakazam.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:065Alakazam-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Trace}}
|[[File:Dream Alakazite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Alakazite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gengar}}
|[[File:094Gengar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:094Gengar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Shadow Tag}}
|[[File:Dream Gengarite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gengarite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Kangaskhan}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|{{a|Parental Bond}}
|[[File:Dream Kangaskhanite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Kangaskhanite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Pinsir}}
|[[File:127Pinsir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}
|[[File:127Pinsir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Aerilate}}
|[[File:Dream Pinsirite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Pinsirite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gyarados}}
|[[File:130Gyarados.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:130Gyarados-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|[[File:Dream Gyaradosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gyaradosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Aerodactyl}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Aerodactylite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Aerodactylite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:150Mewtwo.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Steadfast}}
|[[File:Dream Mewtwonite X Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite X}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Insomnia}}
|[[File:Dream Mewtwonite Y Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Ampharos}}
|[[File:181Ampharos.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:181Ampharos-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|[[File:Dream Ampharosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Ampharosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Scizor}}
|[[File:212Scizor.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:212Scizor-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Technician}}
|[[File:Dream Scizorite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Scizorite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Heracross}}
|[[File:214Heracross.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:214Heracross-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Skill Link}}
|[[File:Dream Heracronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Heracronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Houndoom}}
|[[File:229Houndoom.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|[[File:229Houndoom-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|{{a|Solar Power}}
|[[File:Dream Houndoominite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Houndoominite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Tyranitar}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Sand Stream}}
|[[File:Dream Tyranitarite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Tyranitarite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Blaziken}}
|[[File:257Blaziken.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:257Blaziken-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Speed Boost}}
|[[File:Dream Blazikenite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Blazikenite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Gardevoir}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Pixilate}}
|[[File:Dream Gardevoirite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Gardevoirite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Mawile}}
|[[File:303Mawile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:303Mawile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Huge Power}}
|[[File:Dream Mawilite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Mawilite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Aggron}}
|[[File:306Aggron.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Rock}}
|[[File:306Aggron-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Filter}}
|[[File:Dream Aggronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Aggronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Medicham}}
|[[File:308Medicham.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:308Medicham-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Pure Power}}
|[[File:Dream Medichamite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Medichamite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Manectric}}
|[[File:310Manectric.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:310Manectric-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|{{a|Intimidate}}
|[[File:Dream Manectite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Manectite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Banette}}
|[[File:354Banette.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|[[File:354Banette-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|{{a|Prankster}}
|[[File:Dream Banettite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Banettite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Absol}}
|[[File:359Absol.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:359Absol-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|[[File:Dream Absolite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Absolite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Garchomp}}
|[[File:445Garchomp.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:445Garchomp-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sand Force}}
|[[File:Dream Garchompite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Garchompite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Lucario}}
|[[File:448Lucario.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:448Lucario-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Adaptability}}
|[[File:Dream Lucarionite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Lucarionite}}
|-
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}"|{{p|Abomasnow}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:460Abomasnow.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:460Abomasnow-Mega.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|style="background:#FFF"|{{a|Snow Warning}}
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}"|[[File:Dream Abomasite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Abomasite}}
|}

===Introduced in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}===
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{alpha sapphire color}}; background: #{{omega ruby color}}"
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}" | Before Mega Evolution
! colspan=3 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}" | After Mega Evolution
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stone
|- style="background: #{{omega ruby color light}}"
! Image
! Type
! Image
! Type
! Ability
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Beedrill}}
|[[File:015Beedrill.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:015Beedrill-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Adaptability}}
|[[File:Dream Beedrillite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Beedrillite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Pidgeot}}
|[[File:018Pidgeot.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:018Pidgeot-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|No Guard}}
|[[File:Dream Pidgeotite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Pidgeotite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Slowbro}}
|[[File:080Slowbro.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:080Slowbro-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Shell Armor}}
|[[File:Dream Slowbronite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Slowbronite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Steelix}}
|[[File:208Steelix.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:208Steelix-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sand Force}}
|[[File:Dream Steelixite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Steelixite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Sceptile}}
|[[File:254Sceptile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}
|[[File:254Sceptile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Lightning Rod}}
|[[File:Dream Sceptilite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sceptilite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Swampert}}
|[[File:260Swampert.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:260Swampert-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Swift Swim}}
|[[File:Dream Swampertite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Swampertite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Sableye}}
|[[File:302Sableye.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|[[File:302Sableye-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|[[File:Dream Sablenite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sablenite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Sharpedo}}
|[[File:319Sharpedo.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:319Sharpedo-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Strong Jaw}}
|[[File:Dream Sharpedonite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Sharpedonite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Camerupt}}
|[[File:323Camerupt.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:323Camerupt-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sheer Force}}
|[[File:Dream Cameruptite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Cameruptite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Altaria}}
|[[File:334Altaria.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:334Altaria-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Pixilate}}
|[[File:Dream Altarianite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Altarianite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Glalie}}
|[[File:362Glalie.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ice}}
|[[File:362Glalie-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ice}}
|{{a|Refrigerate}}
|[[File:Dream Glalitite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Glalitite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Salamence}}
|[[File:373Salamence.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:373Salamence-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Aerilate}}
|[[File:Dream Salamencite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Salamencite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Metagross}}
|[[File:376Metagross.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:376Metagross-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|[[File:Dream Metagrossite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Metagrossite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
|{{p|Latias}}
|[[File:380Latias.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:380Latias-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Levitate}}
|[[File:Dream Latiasite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Latiasite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Latios}}
|[[File:381Latios.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:381Latios-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Levitate}}
|[[File:Dream Latiosite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Latiosite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Rayquaza}}
|[[File:384Rayquaza.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:384Rayquaza-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Delta Stream}}
|[[File:None.png|80px]] None
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Lopunny}}
|[[File:428Lopunny.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:428Lopunny-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Scrappy}}
|[[File:Dream Lopunnite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Lopunnite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Gallade}}
|[[File:475Gallade.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:475Gallade-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Inner Focus}}
|[[File:Dream Galladite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Galladite}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
||{{p|Audino}}
|[[File:531Audino.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:531Audino-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Healer}}
|[[File:Dream Audinite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Audinite}}
|-
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}"|{{p|Diancie}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:719Diancie.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFF"|[[File:719Diancie-Mega.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFF"|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Diancite Sprite.png|80px]] {{DL|Mega Stone|Diancite}}
|}

==In other games==
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
{{SSB|Charizard}}'s and {{SSB|Lucario}}'s [[Final Smash]]es Mega Evolve them into Mega Charizard X and Mega Lucario, respectively.

Mega {{p|Venusaur}} and Mega {{p|Blastoise}} appear in at least the 3DS version as collectable trophies.

===[[Pokkén Tournament]]===
{{p|Lucario}} was seen Mega Evolving in the announcement trailer. How it operates is not known at this time.

==In the anime==
[[File:Blaziken Mask Mega Blaziken.png|250px|thumb|Mega Blaziken in the anime]]
===In the main series===
Several Mega Evolutions have been featured in the {{pkmn|anime}}.

The first Mega Evolution in the anime was featured in ''[[SS026|Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]'', where {{OBP|Mewtwo|Best Wishes series}} was shown being capable of changing between its regular form and Mega Mewtwo Y form, in which its speed was dramatically boosted, being capable of moving faster than the blink of an eye. The same Mewtwo also played a major role in ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'', once again demonstrating its Mega Evolution capabilities. Unlike in the games, this Mewtwo seemed to be capable of Mega Evolving without the use of a [[Mega Stone]].

Another Mega Evolution was featured in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'', where {{Ash}} saw a Mega {{p|Blaziken}}. In the [[XY002|next episode]], it was revealed to belong to a masked hero called the [[Blaziken Mask]], saving Ash from a free fall from the [[Lumiose Gym|Prism Tower]]. The Mega Blaziken and its Trainer appeared again in ''[[XY010|Mega-Mega Meowth Madness!]]'', helping Ash and {{ashfr}} to destroy one of [[Team Rocket's mechas]].

A couple of Mega Evolutions, including a Mega {{p|Ampharos}}, appeared as silhouettes in ''[[XY001|Kalos, Where Dreams and Adventures Begin!]]'' while [[Professor Sycamore]] told Ash, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Bonnie}} about the concept of Mega Evolution.

In ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution I]]'', a protagonist named [[Alain]] was featured traveling across the Kalos region with his Mega {{p|Charizard}} X, challenging other Mega Evolution Trainers. During the episode, Alain battled [[Astrid]]'s Mega {{p|Absol}} and [[Remo]]'s Mega {{p|Garchomp}}, and was victorious in both battles. Later in the special, he even faced the [[Elite Four]] member [[Siebold]] and his Mega {{p|Blastoise}}, but the powerful {{type|Water}} Pokémon proved to be too much for Charizard, causing Alain to lose the battle.

All known Mega Evolutions released at the time were also featured during the intro of the aforementioned [[side story episode|special episode]].

[[Diantha]]'s Mega {{p|Gardevoir}} appeared in ''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''. Korrina has a {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} that can Mega Evolve, and so does her grandfather [[Gurkinn]], as shown in ''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]''. A Trainer named [[Mabel]] and her Mega {{p|Mawile}} appeared in ''[[XY034|The Bonds of Mega Evolution!]]''.

[[File:Red Mega Charizard X PO.png|250px|thumb|left|Mega Charizard X in Pokémon Origins]]

===In Pokémon Origins===
{{OBP|Red|Origins}}'s Charizard was shown Mega Evolving into Mega Charizard X in the [[Pokémon Origins]] episode ''[[PO04|File 4 - Charizard]]'' during Red's battle against {{p|Mewtwo}}, thanks to the Charizardite X and Key Stone given to him by [[Mr. Fuji]] in [[PO02|an earlier episode]].
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==In the manga==
[[File:X Kogaru Mega Kangaskhan.png|150px|thumb|Mega Kangaskhan in the Pokémon Adventures manga]]
[[File:Korrina Mega Lucario Adventures.png|150px|thumb|left|Mega Lucario in the Pokémon Adventures manga]]
===In the Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King manga===
In [[Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King]], several main characters' Pokémon are capable of Mega Evolution, including {{OBP|Akira|LDK}}'s {{p|Charizard}}, {{OBP|Koji|LDK}}'s {{p|Garchomp}} and [[Taichi]]'s {{p|Ampharos}}.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Mega Evolution was first presented in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga in the {{chap|X & Y}}. When [[Team Flare]] members [[Aliana]] and [[Mable]] arrived in [[Vaniville Town]] in order to steal {{adv|X}}'s [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]], the commotion caused X's baby {{p|Kangaskhan}}, Kogaru, to react with X's Mega Ring and Mega Evolve into Mega Kangaskhan, easily defeating Aliana's {{p|Pyroar}} and Mable's {{p|Houndoom}}.

When X and his friends were attacked by Team Flare in [[Santalune City]], [[Korrina]] arrived and Mega Evolved her {{p|Lucario}} into Mega Lucario to assist them.
{{right clear}}

==In the TCG==
Mega Evolution is featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] as {{Mega}}{{TCG|Pokémon-EX|Pokémon}}{{EX}}. They were added as a new mechanic to the game in the {{TCG|XY}} expansion as an evolution of Pokémon-EX cards. Mega Evolving a Pokémon immediately ends a player's turn.
{{cardlist/header|Related cards|Colorless|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Venusaur-EX (XY 2)|Venusaur]]{{EX}}|type=Grass|modified=yes|jpset=Collection X|jpnum=002/060|jprarity=RR|enset=XY|ennum=2/146|enrarity=Rare Holo ex}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Blastoise-EX (XY 30)|Blastoise]]{{EX}}|type=Water|modified=yes|jpset=Collection Y|jpnum=015/060|jprarity=RR|enset=XY|ennum=30/146|enrarity=Rare Holo ex}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Charizard-EX (Flashfire 13)|Charizard]]{{EX}}|type=Fire|jpset=M-Charizard-EX Mega Battle Deck|jpnum=002/021|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=088/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=013/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=107/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Charizard-EX (Flashfire 69)|Charizard]]{{EX}}|type=Dragon|jpset=Wild Blaze|jpnum=055/080|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=089/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=069/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=108/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Kangaskhan-EX (Flashfire 79)|Kangaskhan]]{{EX}}|type=Colorless|jpset=Wild Blaze|jpnum=065/080|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Wild Blaze|jpnum2=090/080|jprarity2=UR|enset=Flashfire|ennum=079/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Flashfire|ennum2=109/106|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Heracross-EX (Furious Fists 5)|Heracross]]{{EX}}|type=Grass|jpset=Rising Fist|jpnum=005/096|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Rising Fist|jpnum2=104/096|jprarity2=UR|enset=Furious Fists|ennum=005/111|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Furious Fists|ennum2=112/111|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Lucario-EX (Furious Fists 55)|Lucario]]{{EX}}|type=Fighting|jpset=Rising Fist|jpnum=053/096|jprarity=RR|jpset2=Rising Fist|jpnum2=105/096|jprarity2=UR|enset=Furious Fists|ennum=079/106|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|enset2=Furious Fists|ennum2=113/111|enrarity2=Ultra-Rare Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}Manectric{{EX}}|type=Lightning|jpset=Phantom Gate}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Gengar-EX (Phantom Gate 34)|Gengar]]{{EX}}|type=Psychic|jpset=Phantom Gate|jpnum=034/088|jprarity=RR}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{Mega}}[[M-Gengar-EX (XY-P Promo 79)|Gengar]]{{EX}}|type=Psychic|jpset=XY-P Promotional cards|jpnum=079/XY-P}}
{{cardlist/footer|Colorless}}

==Trivia==
* Every [[type]] has at least one Mega Evolution: {{t|Psychic}} has the most (with nine), while {{t|Ice}} and {{t|Electric}} have the fewest (with two each).
* {{p|Aerodactyl}} is the only [[Fossil|Fossil Pokémon]] capable of Mega Evolution.
* With {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 780|base stat totals of 780}}, Mega Mewtwo X, Y and Mega Rayquaza have the highest base stat totals out of any Pokémon.
** In addition, Mega Mewtwo Y also has the highest Special Attack base stat of all Pokémon at 194, and Mega Mewtwo X also has the highest Attack base stat of all Pokémon at 190, as well as the highest base stat raise of all Mega Evolutions, its Attack stat being boosted by 80 upon the process.
* {{p|Aggron}} is the only dual-type Pokémon to become single-type upon Mega Evolving, going from {{2t|Steel|Rock}}-type to pure {{type|Steel}}.
* The only Pokémon with multiple Mega Evolutions were introduced in [[Generation I]]. In both cases, the first ones to be revealed were the Y versions.

==In other languages==
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|es=Megaevolución
|fi=Megakehitys
|fr=Méga-Évolution
|it=Megaevoluzione
|ko=메가진화 ''Mega Jinhwa''
|zh_cmn=超進化 ''Chāo Jìnhuà''
|zh_yue=超進化 ''Chīu Jeunfa''
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Talk:Beedrill (Pokémon)

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== Knight ==

Am I the only one who sees Beedrill as being based off of Knights? It just seems fairly obvious, yet there's nothing on this page listed.
*Examples: its stance/how it is portrayed, its lance-like stingers, the many Pokedex descriptions that not only apply to bees and hornets but fairly accurately describe jousting (see: Crystal, R/S/E, D/P/Pt), the fact that its Japanese name is Spear (a weapon used by Jousting Knights in lieu of lances), the fact that many Knights served as protectors of their lord and/or lady's lands (the nest) and attacked either solo or in groups (like the Pokedex descriptions), the fact that many European castles were built near forests or coasts (both of which are prone to fog), and the style of attacks it learns (rage, fury attack, focus energy, pursuit, etc.).
*Yes, it is quite obviously based off of bees and wasps, but I find it hard to believe that I'm the absolute only person out there that has even considered that Knights played any sort of factor in its creation. Can anyone else see where I'm coming from with this, and is there any way we can officially confirm if it is or is not partially based off of Knights? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Phantom's Beedrill? ==

I thought it was his first mate that used them? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 17:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Valid enough to be added? ==
It is valid enough to be added that despite being Bug and Poison type, Beedrill only learns two Big and Poison type moves via level up?--[[User:Miles Castea|Miles Castea]] 04:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's valid (as in, true), but not notable. There are quite a few Pokémon in the same or similar situations. Bulbapedia typically only mentions those who either learn no moves of their type or those who learn one move and a bunch of other moves of one specific non-STAB type. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

wouldn't it be usefull to state in the trivia that,
in generation I, Beedrill is the only pokémon that can learn bug-type moves.
Hence, Beedrill is the only Pokémon that can be supereffective against psychic pokémon.
:Nope, Jolteon could also learn Pin Missile then. '''''[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]''''' 15:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Current Image has RGB discolorations ==

The current official art being used for Beedrill is incorrectly colored, and is most likely pulled from pidgi.net/wiki, which also labels their own picture as incorrectly colored. Normally, I would just revert this if I saw it, and it has been done before with discolored images, but this image has been on here for a year, and the previous images are terrible in quality, which leaves me hesitant. Should the current picture be reverted? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 14:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

2014-10-05T02:59:58Z

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{{forums notice|November 30, 2014}}

==Interwiki==
Don't forget the interwikis! <nowiki>[[de:Pokémon Omega Rubin und Alpha Saphir]] [[fr:Pokémon Rubis Oméga et Saphir Alpha]] [[it:Pokémon Rubino Omega e Zaffiro Alpha]]</nowiki> Btw... why you are protect all pages, that are related in any form with the new remakes? Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany... [[User:Tobutz98|Tobutz98]] ([[User talk:Tobutz98|talk]]) 19:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
: Pages related to any breaking news are generally protected to prevent wild speculation or misinformation from being added. I'm not sure if there's a specific place or way to request edits to locked pages, sadly. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 19:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
::The place to request edits for locked pages is on their talk page, or the talk page of a staff member. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

==Add Template==
I think it would be wise that one of the Admins put "Template:Upcoming notice" or a different template I could not find on this page because it is new unless I am wrong and this is not necessary because of the page protection. [[User:Dbeckelheimer6|Dbeckelheimer6]] ([[User talk:Dbeckelheimer6|talk]]) 21:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

==Edit suggestions==
* "<nowiki>are the secondary [[paired version]]s of [[Generation VI]]</nowiki>" implies that every subsequent generation has had "secondary paired versions" (a phrase that is being used to represent both remakes and sequels), which is incorrect. Why not just copy and customize the text from the intros of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} and {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}?
* "Both games were revealed {{tt|during|in}} a worldwide announcement by the official Pokémon {{tt|websites,|remove comma}} on May 7, 2014. The paired versions will be released worldwide {{tt|during|in}} November 2014."
* Change "<nowiki>[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire]]</nowiki>" to "<nowiki>{{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}</nowiki>" —[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|The]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|Best]] 05:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hello, I have made some changes as you have requested. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks, trom. However, it says that November 2014 is the release ''date'', but I think this should say ''release period''. Also, "PAccording to the press release which announced the games" should be "According to the press release that announced the games". Some users seem to think that ''which'' can replace ''that'' in this instance because I see it often, but this is folly. For instance, the phrasing "The book, which I read last night, was exciting" must use ''which'' and not ''that'', while "The book that I read last night was exciting" is the opposite (but may also omit ''that'' entirely). —[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|The]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|Best]] (UTC) 09:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Folly indeed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

==Trailer Video==
Can an admin add this to the page??
{{youtubevid|ywGSON9tNq0|pokemon|Hoenn}}
 --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 08:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Done, although I dislike that template so I chose not to use it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Don't mind me, but may I ask why you don't like that template ?? --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

==Poké Transporter==
If these games use the Poké Transporter, like [[Pokémon X and Y|X and Y]], will it be worth noting that these are the first remakes to be compatible with the originals, if indirectly?
[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions]] → [[Pal Park]] → [[Generation IV]] → [[Poké Transfer]] → [[Generation V]] → [[Poké Transporter]] → [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]] | [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 14:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:It is currently unknown if they will use the Poke Transporter.  --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::That wasn't my question. I said ''if'' they do, will this be worth noting? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Glitchipedia|talk]]) 15:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Even if they don't, they'll still be compatible with the originals via Poke Transporter to XY, then trade to ORAS. It's still speculative to say it yet, but as soon as either Poke Transporter or trade capability is revealed, I would think it'd be notable that they're the ''only'' ones (not just the first, since first is of debatable notability for some things). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::::It's certainly worth noting in my opinion, but i also think that the admins should approve it. And @Pumpkinking, they are ''currently'' the only ones,but ''if'' in the future a remake of DP is announced, we'll have to change the wording. --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Press Release Description==
The second paragraph "According to the press release that announced the games, the new titles will to take players through a dramatic story within a spectacular new world." should be changed to reflect that this is not a new game as "spectacular new world" implies.
The official website also gives a far more accurate description of the game http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-omega-ruby-and-pokemon-alpha-sapphire/
[[User:Luneth|Luneth]] ([[User talk:Luneth|talk]]) 15:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:So why don't we just delete the "new" in "a spectacular new world"? [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 16:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::Modifying any quote typically makes the quote unusable. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It isn't really a quote because the video never mentions "a spectacular new world". Only "an epic new adventure" and "a dramatic new world". [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 19:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::::[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Omega_Ruby,_Pok%C3%A9mon_Alpha_Sapphire_announced It's a quote from the official press release.] [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::Can we at least put "an epic new adventure in a spectacular new world" in quotes? --[[User:KommanderAwesome|KommanderAwesome]] ([[User talk:KommanderAwesome|talk]]) 20:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::Not the way in your comment since that would be combining two quotes together. The largest stretch I can see is, the games will take players on "an epic new adventure" to "a dramatic new world." Still, I believe the wording on the article is the best so far. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

==New information from Serebii==

we should include this info from todays news: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

"Following its reveal yesterday, there has been some question as to the actual content of Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire, as to whether they're remakes or new versions due to the wording of the announcement. During the Investor Briefing today, Satoru Iwata confirmed that Pokémon Omega Ruby & Pokémon Alpha Sapphire are full-remakes of the 2002 releases, Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire. We'll bring more on these games as it comes
Edit @ 15:38: The Japanese arm of The Pokémon Company sent out an e-mail to all Daisuki Club members which ends up pointing out the differences to Groudon & Kyogre on the box-art, stating that they're showcasing "never before seen Pokémon", the same terminology they used for Black & White Kyurem, as well as Mega Mewtwo Y upon their reveal, indicating that they are more than stylised artwork of the Pokémon. We'll bring more on this as it comes"

[[User:Pearlgamez|Pearlgamez]] ([[User talk:Pearlgamez|talk]]) 20:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
:Serebii should not be used as a source. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::I personally received that email and did not see any indication this was true. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I agree serebii should not be used as a source. Speculation about the differences to Groudon & Kyogre seems to indicate they may be mega-evolutions of the originals, but as no official information about mega-evolutions in the remakes has been announced it can't be used in this article. [[User:ADCK|ADCK]] ([[User talk:ADCK|talk]]) 02:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
::::I also agree. Serebii should not be used as a source, or else Pidgeot would be blue and Magikarp would be a Psychic-type. [[User:Espurr101|Espurr101]] ([[User talk:Espurr101|talk]]) 12:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)Espurr101

== Use of the word Remake ==

Should we really use the word "remake" quite yet?

I know from previous patterns, the naming of the games and all that points to remakes, but at this point in time they might just be sequels or new games entirely. They even mention a new world, and the guy who gives the idol mentions a new region, so this might not take place in Hoenn at all.

I'm really just playing devil's advocate here, but we should watch the wording on the article for now. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:You haven't followed the news, have you? They were [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140508/index.html confirmed] to be remakes yesterday. You should do your "homework" more often before you're posting questions.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 07:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

::I've been following the news since it broke, but every tweet and article just repackaged/re-tweeted the same info. 99% of every article I found on the subject of the remakes just quoted the blurb from the trailer. That article you linked to was the first OFFICIAL piece of news I've seen that gave details on the remakes. You can't expect to do biology homework if all the school has are math books.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
:::On the second thought, I was too harsh for you. Unlike what I thought, the link to the official statement has ''not'' been posted to almost any fan or official site; everyone just believes what Serebii says. Sorry about that.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Its ok, like Dawn always says, No Need To Worry. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

=='Oras' is the Lithuanian word for 'Weather'==
The name of the games is likely a play on the letters theme started with XY (ie. the Greek letters 'Α' and 'Ω'), and the Lithuanian word for weather, [https://translate.google.com/#en/lt/weather Oras] -- weather being one of the prominent elements of RSE. Sounds like a interesting fact to add to the Trivia section. --[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

:It could also be a reference to the phrase "I am the Alpha and the Omega" in the Book of Revelation. Usually the phrase refers to Christ or God and typically is taken as meaning "I am the Beginning and the End". Possibly a hint that the story could involve Pokemon gods in some way. Interesting to note that Arceus is the 'Alpha' Pokemon according to the Pokedex and is the closest thing to a Pokemon 'God' we've seen as it was supposedly the creator of the Pokemon world. Perhaps we might see the 'Omega' Pokemon, or in other words, the 'End' or destroyer. (Basically the Pokemon Satan) - [[User:PsychoP|PsychoP]] ([[User talk:PsychoP|talk]]) 18:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::We don't know what's going to happen in the games and this isn't the place for speculation. And no. That would require them making an actual new Pokemon, which won't happen in a remake. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 18:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:::We already have an alpha Pokemon, Arceus, and Giratina is based of the devil. Although, X and Y did kind of have the alpha and omega thing going, as Xerneas is the life Pokemon and Yveltal is the destruction Pokemon. Maybe Groudon and Kyogre will get alpha an omega forms. Idk, better wait for CoroCoro. {{unsigned|Espurr101}}

I think Bob Ross said it best, and what we have on our hands here is "a little happy mistake." It's just pure coincidence I am sure. Also Delta Emerald has been registered, and if they broke the mold and released that, it would be ORASDE which means nothing at all. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

==No evident that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are in the Generation VI==
We should at least wait for the announcement of cross-game communication of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to be sure if they are indeed Generation VI. And according to this:
:"A generation, in terms of the Pokémon franchise, is a subset of the series that debuted or is set around the same time, focusing on the same region, and featuring the same Pokémon."
I don't think they are Generation VI at all if we go by this definition. We should probably change that. Besides, Generations may be separated by their methods of inter-game communications. I don't think, currently, there is anything we can say about battling or sending Pokemon from or to these games from or to X and Y.

Originally posted in [[Talk:Generation]] by [[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 06:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC).
Moved here by [[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 09:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:It's totally safe to assume that Hoenn remakes aren't introducing a new generation, especially when there are lots of unreleased Gen VI stuff and the XY anime series isn't even in the halfway.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::It is safe, but an encyclopaedia is obligated to only display information that is evidental. I won't have a problem if we put up "probably" or "highly speculated" instead of "part of". -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It's obviously generation VI. That is a guaranteed fact. Sure, it hasn't been stated, but it doesn't need to be stated. Generation VI is the current generation. Each generation starts with a brand new game in a brand new region with brand new Pokémon. It won't start with a remake. It's only logical that this is a Generation VI game. Also, it's being released on the same generation console as other Gen VI games which further backs up this point. It's Gen VI and although it hasn't been stated, there is enough evidence to make that claim. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 12:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::::That way, we will have to refine our definitions of a generation. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
::::: In my honest opinion (although everyones views are different as I can see on here lol) but until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should be considered Generation VI games until further notice, and also, a lot of clues and hints in Pokemon X and Y further hinted that Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire would be remade, so it makes sense (to me anyways), but also Generation VI is not completed yet (that we know of) as we have seen in all other generations that either a 3rd game (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) or in the case of Generation V (Black 2 and White 2) were released to complete a Generation. And just like Generation III we had Ruby & Sapphire release first followed by FireRed & LeafGreen then Emerald, then in Generation IV we had Diamond, Pearl, Platinum then followed by HeartGold & SoulSilver. So far it seems that Generation VI is following the pattern of Generation III (so far, that is). But mind you, thats just my opinion, but like I said at the start of my "rant" (lol) until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should still be considered Generation VI until further notice. Demers-Vachon 10:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:::I agree. They never start a generation with remakes. They only start a generation with a new region full of new Pokémon. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire would more likely focus on the Generation III Pokémon than to introduce new ones. In FireRed and LeafGreen, you only met the original 150 Pokémon before getting the National Pokédex to catch Johto Pokémon and trade with Hoenn for the then-current Pokémon. FireRed LeafGreen didn't introduce any new Pokémon. They only brought back the classic Pokémon. HeartGold and SoulSilver did tweak the Johto Pokédex a bit to include five Gen IV evolutions that resulted from moves (although, I don't get why they didn't just put a move tutor in Kanto.) So HeartGold and SoulSilver didn't introduce any Pokémon. And X and Y had just came out last October. That was only 7 months ago, so if Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire started Generation VII, Gen 6 would be the shortest generation ever. The possibility of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire starting a new generation is slim. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 11:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:::::I agree that these should be considered Generation VI, at least until we discover otherwise. While it is possible that we may get a new generation, the odds are incredibly small. Additionally, Pokémon tends to keep all of its media together. Even if X and Y are the only video games in Generation VI, I find it unlikely that Nintendo would push for a Generation VII when Ash Ketchum still has to finish his journey through Kalos in the anime, the Pokémon Adventures X and Y chapter is just getting started, and not even all Generation VI Pokémon have been made available as TCG cards. Heck, we still have yet to see the release of Diancie, Volcanion, and Hoopa in the video games, so even the video games cannot be finished here. Finally, I must correct you on something, SeanWheeler. FireRed and LeafGreen did actually introduce a new Pokémon: Deoxys. There were no events for it prior to the release of FRLG and when the events occurred, it could only be obtained in FRLG, not in Ruby and Sapphire. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 22:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, please remind me if "Generations" are the official creations or simply how it is defined in the fandom? I think we should judge if certain titles are in a certain generation according to an objective definition. I understand that it is highly probable to see it released as in the Generation VI. But this is not a confirmed fact or official announcement, but a derived theory. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:The term generation has been used by official sources, such as Pokemon.com and the boxes of DP. Several traits that typically signify a new generation are not present, like no new region and no new Pokémon. Frankly, I think this whole argument is pointless. It's obvious that it's going to be released within this generation and at this rate we'll only keep going around in circles. It's really not worth continuing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:Sorry about that then. I thought Generations were something we created to group the titles. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 07:59, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

::: I agree with what "Pokemaster" had said earlier, this topic is just going around in circles until the games are released in November. I do firmly believe that Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire is part of Generation VI. If those games were to begin Generation VII, then I highly doubt they would have had Ash in Kalos, or if they did, he would have gotten 6 to 7 gym badges by now (more in reference to the Japan episodes that has aired already not the English ones) and from what I have seen, he so far only has one gym badge obtained and caught 2 pokemon (Froakie & Fletchling). But thats just my thoughts about it. Demers-Vachon 08:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

::::::It's possible they will add more pokemon, but only gen VI ones, I doubt they'll touch the original gens ones... However, that being said and all, they've just started using Mega evolutions, I doubt they will drop them, so we may see many new mega evolutions instead of new pokemon. [[User:ADCK|ADCK]] ([[User talk:ADCK|talk]]) 01:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It is going in circles and no conclusion can be drawn. This is precisely what I wanted to say: We don't have official confirmation on which Generation this is in. On the page, there is this row: part of Generation VI. It looks like some official words. No matter how logical the derivations are, they are just speculations. There is not any canonical material or announcement making this claim. I have not been questioning its correctness. I have been questioning its validity. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 03:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

::While there is no concrete 100% proof that it is Generation VI, there is no concrete 100% proof that it is Generation VII either. It could be either one. So the article should use whichever is more likely, which is Generation VI. You may think that we shouldn't make assumptions like that, but you have to remember that Nintendo never said that X and Y were a part of Generation VI. Or any of the other games were part of their respective Generations. So we will never have any official proof, because the very idea of generations is unofficial. (The boxes of Diamond/Pearl did say "A new generation", but that's just marketing crap. It could have just as easily said "a new adventure". And either way, "a new generation" doesn't necessarily mean Generation IV. For all we know, Nintendo classified every game before DP as a single generation, and every game since then is Generation II). This being the case, even when the games come out, it's likely that we won't know what generation to put. It's entirely fan-made. So, we do the logical thing of putting what most fans would classify this as. And in that regard, there's no reason why we can't put Generation VI now. Of course, when the games come out, if we see that there is enough separating it from X and Y, such as incompatibility, new Pokémon, a new region (technically the "Hoenn Confirmed!" meme is wrong - Hoenn has not been confirmed), etc., then fans may choose to reclassify it as Generation VII. If that's the case, we can edit the article at the time to reflect the shift in the fans's views. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I was not questioning if there is any probability of it coming out as Generation VII. I was questioning, even if it is very probable to be Generation VI, the validity is that it is deduced or speculated, even based on many objective observations. But none of the quoted are as valid as an official release. If "Generation" is The Pokemon Company's official terms, we cannot say something is or is not without the company first says so. If, instead, "Generation" is what the fandom creates, "official" means the stance de facto in the fandom, hence, verifiable and objective criteria and definitions. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 05:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
:We don't need them to flat out state they are part of Generation VI. They only use the word Generation when a new one starts, and it's always when a new region is introduced and new Pokémon (not new forms) are introduced. Suggesting that they are part of a completely different Generation is ridiculous. There is only one Generation at a time. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Please, read again. I have not suggested they are part of a completely different Generation. I have not suggested any possibility. I only questioned the validity. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 09:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
:Nothing is being changed, and this discussion is closed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Evolutions ==

I know we can't state this to be a confirmed fact, but comparing Groudon and Kyogre here to their usual appearance seems to indicate they're in a different form. Perhaps it's a mega evolution? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 00:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
:Talk pages are for the improvement of the article, not for idle discussion of the article's topic. Use [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums] if you're interested in speculating about potential Mega Evolutions for the new games. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::I was unsure as to whether that should be taken note of on this page, given its visibility on the box art, but seeign as it's unconfirmed I will take my leave to the forums. [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 04:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

== English official site ==

This should be added as an official site in the infobox as it is on the other games: [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-omega-ruby-and-pokemon-alpha-sapphire/ Pokémon.com] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

== PEGI rating ==

Shouldn't the PEGI rating be 7, as it shows in [http://youtu.be/7xPhlAas1ik this video]? [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 15:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
:Right underneath that it says Provisional, which means it could change. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I'm from the Netherlands, so I didn't know what it meant, I thought it was just some kind of company name or something like that. [[User:Snekradguy|Snekradguy]] ([[User talk:Snekradguy|talk]]) 20:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

== Delta Emerald ==

So apparently Delta Emerald has been registered. Is this worth noting on the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
:There's been countless trademarks like this before and they've not been mentioned (Such as Water Blue) so it doesn't seem necessary. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 19:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
::Even though Game Freak/Nintendo may or may not use the "Delta Emerald" trademark, I think it warrants some sort of mention (a single sentence would suffice, and there are [http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/29/pokemon-delta-emerald-trademark-surfaces other sources]/[http://mynintendonews.com/2014/05/29/nintendo-trademarks-pokemon-delta-emerald/ websites] covering it as well), primarily due to the term apparently being registered around the same time as "OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire" (and it is the only trademark that is a feasible parallel to the OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire names with the "Greek letter + precious gemstone" construct). I personally think ''WaterBlue'' merits a similar mention -- due to its same-time registration with ''FireRed/LeafGreen'' (and being the closest parallel to those terms with the "element + color" construct) and the matter that Game Freak actually addressed the "LeafGreen title retaining" issue at one point. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
:::My only concern with this is was any Crystal remake title trade marked with HGSS? We know Gray was trade marked before B2W2[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 02:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== Coro Coro leak ==

The Coro Coro leak is out with new information. Swampert and Sceptile has Mega Evolutions. Brendan and May are confirmed. Teams Aqua and Magma were shown. Steven apparently has a Mega Charizard X. When are we going to update this article? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 21:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:No content regarding the CoroCoro leaks are going to be added until it can be known they aren't fake. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 21:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
::So how are leaks proven real? It may be easy to detect ridiculous leaks but what about leaks as convincing as this that everyone's talking about? Other fansites like Serebii believe it. But how do we know when a leak is real? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::When the issue is published, we will know it's real. That's fairly obvious. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Don't forget, Diancie is getting a mega too. --[[User:SuperPikaBros|Super]][[User talk:SuperPikaBros|Pika]][[Special:Contributions/SuperPikaBros|Bros]] 23:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, the first Mega Evolution of a Kalos Pokémon. When is the issue actually coming out? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::The 13th. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
If True, this also would make Diancie the only Pokémon so far to have a Mega form that isn't in Gens I-IV. Gen V still has no Megas as of yet.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:So what is a faster way to determine it's authenticity? I don't want to wait 6 days. I want the information here now! [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 00:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
::Being impatient isn't going to make it come faster. You have to wait, that is life.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Well, looks like the images have been posted on the Archives and my article was published on Bulbanews. It now looks as if Bulbagarden has accepted the leak as official. Question is, is Bulbapedia? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 14:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
::::Well, it is CoroCoro so the information might be correct, but the impact of speculations has risen since the first trailer. Probably because of that. [[User:KidGuardian|KidGuardian]] ([[User talk:KidGuardian|talk]]) 14:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Is Bulbapedia simply stricter about speculation than the other parts of Bulbagarden? The archives provide our images and the notice at the top of this page points to the Bulbagarden Forums. Bulbanews headlines are on the main page. Bulbapedia is closer to Bulbagarden than to the NIWA and Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis. Yet, Bulbanews, the forums and the Archives have already decided that it's real. Although the forums are about speculation and accepted it first, maybe they don't count. But since the News published my article and the Archives restored Coro Coro images, I'm believing they are believing the scan. In fact the Archives temporarily deleted those scans until they can be proven real. However, they may have just restored them for my [[n:CoroCoro leaks for July 2014 issue revealed|news article]]? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 02:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::As I just said in the Mega Evolution talk page, we aren't treating this as official just yet as the leaks were leaked earlier than usual. They usually leak on the 10th of every month--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::But according to "Ataro" in a few post above, the release date for CoroCoro this month is on the 13th (not sure if its accurate or not). Usually CoroCoro comes out on the 15th or 16th isn't it, and the leaks gets out starting from around 10th of the month. But, if the release date is early then possibly even the leaks would be out earlier. Also, this wouldn't be the first time that CoroCoro leaks are out before 10th of a month.--[[User:LatS|LatS]] ([[User talk:LatS|talk]]) 11:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Happens a lot actually of magazines. Scanned manga's that come out every week are actually one week ahead while their official release is after one week in Japan. Probably they caught a early copy from the issue. '''''[[User:KidGuardian|Kid]][[User talk:KidGuardian|Guardian]]''''' 00:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

[http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/10/pokemon-omega-ruby-pokemon-alpha-sapphire-release-date-announced/ Official trailer for the games], the scans are definitely legit. The new Megas and character designs are featured. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 17:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

== E3 2014 Announcement ==

So a new trailer for ORAS was released yesterday as part of E3 2014. It showed a lot more content, confirmed the CoroCoro leak, and displayed several bits of gameplay, including apparent Mega Evolutions for Groudon & Kyogre, in which their markings glow prominently to match their boxart artwork. I feel that this information should be added to the article, since the trailer seen was official, and therefore verifiable information from a reliable source. Since I am not permitted to edit the ''OmegaRuby & AlphaSapphire'' article, I ask that someone with access to editing add this information in.
[[User:Bowserbros|Bowserbros]] ([[User talk:Bowserbros|talk]]) 18:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon.com Screenshots ==

So the official ORAS site up on Pokemon.com has a plethora of screenshots you lot can add to this article.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 01:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
:Many of these screenshots have been uploaded to the Archives already, haven't been added to the article yet. I'll try to add some soon. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 01:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

== Release date for Australia ==

I really don't see any official source in which states it's release date for Australia. The Nintendo Australia website does not have the game listed anywhere, so we don't even know what the actual release date for Australia really is. EB Games isn't a reliable source when it comes to release dates, 'cause they often will get the release dates from sites like Wikipedia or even from here.

Until Nintendo Australia confirms it's release date, I really do think we should change the release date for Australia to '''November 2014'''.[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 18:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
:The Australian version of [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-au/ the official site] clearly says "Coming November 21, 2014!"--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

== Change in infobox ==

Should the info in the infobox be changed from:
"Pokémon Omega Ruby's boxart, featuring Groudon"
to:
"Pokémon Omega Ruby's boxart, featuring Primal Groudon"
and also in the case of Primal Kyogre? Thanks.
[[User:Dinodestroyer|Dinodestroyer]] ([[User talk:Dinodestroyer|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

== Add trivia section? ==

I have a few things to add now

-These are the second pairs of games to not have "version" at the end.

-These are the second remakes after the Game Corner controversy

-These are the first remakes after the Pokémon Center and Pokémart being merged

I could think of a few more, but these will do.

[[User:SuperShroom63|SuperShroom63]] ([[User talk:SuperShroom63|talk]]) 01:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:The first two aren't notable. In the case of the last one, images seem to have shown that the Poké Mart and Pokémon Center are no longer merged, so imo, it doesn't seem too notable. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 01:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
::Oh, this is the first pair of remakes with [insert change made in [[Generation V]] or [[Generation VI]]]! Yeah, not too notable. Although, if there were anything that were notable, this will be the first pair of remakes with {{type|Fairy}} Pokémon and [[Mega Evolution]]s. [[User:Black Metal Warrior|Black Metal Warrior]] ([[User talk:Black Metal Warrior|talk]]) 22:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:::FireRed and LeafGreen were the first pair of remakes to have Steel type Pokémon, but we don't note that. It should be obvious.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 23:40, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== "To" to "for". ==

I noticed the article says "... Steven Stone, the Mach Bike, and the Acro Bike will return '''to''' the first time since...", when I presume that "for" is meant to be in there instead of "to." Would someone fix this for me, please? [[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 03:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:Corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 03:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

== Not all Mega Evolutions are on this page that have been revealed ==
Mega Salamence, Mega Metagross, Mega Altaria, and Mega Lopunny all need to be mention after Mega Sableye.--[[User:Hydreigonfan1|Hydreigonfan1]] ([[User talk:Hydreigonfan1|talk]]) 11:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::But they weren't revealed in July issue, only in August, it should be noted in the new paragraph, with the return of Horde Encounters, new Pikachu forms... [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 15:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::To chime in on this discussion without making another section, it has been a few days since Mega Sharpedo, Mega Gallade, and Mega Camerupt were revealed. Are the admins waiting for confirmation from, for example, Pokemon.com before this makes it into the article? If the CoroCoro leak from this month is enough confirmation, could somebody with access add this to the article? [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 19:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

== More Mega Evolutions? ==

Yesterday, the official Pokémon website of Korea accidentally revealed two new mega evolution Pokémon; Mega Slowbro and Mega Audino. Many people like myself questioned if this was real or a scam. It's the official Pokémon site of Korea. More information will come as we get it.
{{unsigned|DJMander}}

== Another Mega Evo Tidbit ==

Sorry to add onto the trend of mentioning the new megas, but currently the paragraph states at least eight Mega Evolutions and then lists ten. I'd fix it myself but of course I can't so could someone just do that for me XD [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 18:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== No Steven Stone since Emerald? ==

Um, didn't he appear in B2W2 as a Champion? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 23:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

== Multilingual ==

Could someone add that Nintendo HK and Taiwan have both confirmed the games will (like X/Y) contain all languages on the one card? http://www.nintendo.tw/pressrelease/3ds_20140915oras.htm http://www.nintendo.com.hk/pressrelease/3ds_20140915oras.htm Nowhere seems to have picked up on this, probably because only Nintendo HK/TW bothered to clarify this (since only HK and TW are in a region of their own, without having a local translation). - [[User:BZD|BZD]] ([[User talk:BZD|talk]]) 03:43, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

==Ratings==
The ACB has put up their ratings: [http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?sid=iuCjUqkFCF6wGgGVuaGmQQ%253d%253d&ncdctx=5HghR30dUhtOc%252fysBQXehvRbWeAhT8S4Y6t4otMG1OPPQsqEgBN79aTC4EFKrSpt Omega Ruby] and [http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?sid=KgrINBSv5pEmVtrSEn54Rw%253d%253d&ncdctx=5HghR30dUhtOc%252fysBQXeho7s65RvpUipwXyeqAqiiWKxbU3ep%252fT2e2svoiXEbxY6 Alpha Sapphire]. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 01:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

== Noteworthy Trivia? ==

I know remake trivia is usually ignored, but I think it would be good to add that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are the first remakes (Of course, not counting things like Emerald or Platinum) to not feature the original mascot? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Magma Admin (Trainer class)

2014-09-27T22:01:06Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Intro */

{{incomplete|needs=Manga}}
{{TrainerClassInfobox
|color={{ruby color light}}
|corecolor={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ruby color}}
|name=Magma Admin
|jpname=マグマだんかんぶ
|jptranslit=Magma-dan Kanbu
|jptrans=Team Magma Executive
|image=Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Tabitha.png|size=150px
|image2=Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Courtney.png|size2=105px
|caption=Magma Admins Tabitha and Courtney in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|intro=[[Generation III]]
|games={{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
|gender=Both
|members=[[Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney]], [[Tabitha]] [[Blaise]]{{tt|*|Adventures only}}
|anime=AG027{{!}}''A Three-Team Scheme''
|manga=''[[PS199|Adding It Up with Plusle & Minun II]]'' ({{pkmn|Adventures}})
}}
A '''Magma Admin''' (Japanese: '''マグマだんかんぶ''' ''Team Magma Executive'') is a type of [[Pokémon Trainer]] that first debuted in the [[Generation III]] games. Magma Admins can come in either gender.

The title has only specifically referred to two characters: [[Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney]] and [[Tabitha]]. They are the subleaders of [[Team Magma]] under [[Maxie]].

They tend to specialize in {{type|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, [[Blaise]] is also another Magma Admin, and the three of them make up the [[Three Fires]].

==Appearance==
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ruby color light}}; font-size:80%;"
|-
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}; width:80px;"| [[File:Spr RS Courtney.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}; width:80px;"| [[File:Spr RS Tabitha.png]]
|-
| {{color2|000000|Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney}}'s sprite from {{color2|000000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}}
| {{color2|000000|Tabitha}}'s sprite from {{color2|000000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby}} and {{color2|000000|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}; width:96px;"| [[File:Magma Grunt F OD.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ruby color}}; background: #{{ground color}}; width:96px;"| [[File:Magma Grunt M OD.png]]
|-
| {{color2|000000|Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney}}'s overworld sprite from {{color2|000000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire}}, and {{color2|000000|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
| {{color2|000000|Tabitha}}'s overworld sprite from {{color2|000000|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire}}, and {{color2|000000|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}
|}

==Trainer list==
===Pokémon Ruby===
{{trainerlist/h|1|ruby}}
{{trainerlist/e|2|Magma Admin [[Tabitha]]}}
{{trainerlist/b|1|800|3|322|Numel|20|261|Poochyena|20|322|Numel|20}}
{{trainerlist/b|2nd|1280|3|322|Numel|32|262|Mightyena|32|323|Camerupt|32}}
{{trainerlist/e|2|Magma Admin [[Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney]]}}
{{trainerlist/b|1|1120|2|322|Numel|28|262|Mightyena|28}}
{{trainerlist/b|2nd|1920|2|323|Camerupt|38|262|Mightyena|38}}
{{trainerlist/f|ruby}}

===Pokémon Emerald===
{{trainerlist/h|1|emerald}}
{{trainerlist/e|3|Magma Admin [[Tabitha]]}}
{{trainerlist/b|1|880|4|322|Numel|18|261|Poochyena|20|322|Numel|22|041|Zubat|22}}
{{trainerlist/b|2nd|1320|4|322|Numel|26|262|Mightyena|28|041|Zubat|30|323|Camerupt|33}}
{{trainerlist/b|3rd|5120|3|323|Camerupt|36|262|Mightyena|38|042|Golbat|40}}
{{trainerlist/f|emerald}}

==In the anime==
Only one Magma Admin, [[Tabitha]], ever appeared in the anime. He made his debut along with Aqua Admin Shelly in ''[[AG027|A Three-Team Scheme]]'', where he was mistakenly referred to as "Field Commander Harlan"; this was corrected in subsequent episodes. He led a squad on a mission to [[Dewford Island]] to find the [[Cave of Origin]]. It was revealed that he was carrying the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}} (mistakenly referred to as the ''Indigo Orb)'' with him at the time, though it was never shown on-screen.

Tabitha appeared several other times throughout the {{series|Advanced Generation}} in command of {{tc|Team Magma Grunt}}s: at the [[Oceanic Museum]] in ''[[AG036|The Spheal of Approval]]'' and at [[Mt. Chimney]] in ''[[AG054|Fight for the Meteorite!]]''. His final appearance was in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]'', where he witnessed the battle between Kyogre and Groudon. Like the rest of Team Magma, he is not seen again after these episodes.

==In the manga==
[[File:Three Fires.png|thumb|The [[Three Fires]] in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Three Fires}}

In the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}, there are three admins of Team Magma known collectively as the Three Fires. Courtney and Tabitha are directly based on their game counterparts while [[Blaise]] is exclusive to Pokémon Adventures.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{ruby color light}}|bordercolor={{ruby color}}
|de=Magma {{tt|Vors.|Vorstand}}
|fr=Admin Magma
|it=Magmatenente
|es={{tt|Admin.|Administrador(a)}} Magma
}}

==See also==
* {{tc|Aqua Admin}}

{{Team Magma}}
{{TrainerNav|ruby|hoenn=yes}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice|tc}}

[[Category:Trainer classes]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Members of Team Magma]]

[[de:Team Magma Vorstand]]

[[fr:Admin Magma]]
[[it:Magmatenente (classe allenatore)]]
[[ja:マグマだんかんぶ]]
[[zh:火岩隊幹部]]

Talk:Nuzleaf (Pokémon)

2014-08-18T04:39:20Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Resemblance to Pikmin? */

For some apparent reason, Nuzleaf reminds me of the greek God, Pan. Nuzleafs are said to strike fear into peoples' hearts when it blows on grass, and Pan is said to do the same. Pan is also the greek god of nature, and Nuzleafs are very well related to nature. Although I do know that they are based off of the japanese goblins, because the game was made in Japan, and the goblins match Nuzleaf's personality and appearance quite impressively. But maybe somehow they did incorporate Pan into the idea...? ~Salem-Ponders
:Personally, i think he looks kinda like kid Buu from DBZ, [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/274Nuzbuu.png] [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 18:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== "Two Black Dots on its Chest" ==

That is just... well, I think those are supposed to be... you know... what should I do to this page? Leave as is, or add the more descriptive version? [[User:Focus58|Focus]][[User talk:Focus58|58]] 21:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Resemblance to Pikmin? ==

Is it notable how much it resembles a Red Pikmin? Or would that be considered speculation? It has a leaf on its head, has a pointy nose., its shiny is reddish, its highest stat is attack, similar to how Red Pikmin are known for their higher attack power, and its ability chlorophyll is similar in idea to how Pikmin that have grown flowers are faster in those games. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 04:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Nuzleaf (Pokémon)

2014-08-18T04:38:26Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Resemblance to Pikmin? */ new section

Talk:Ghetsis

2014-07-12T19:01:14Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Official Artwork? */

==Facial Damage==

Due to Geechisu having some sort of deformity in the right side of his face (apparent in his sprite and the latest coro coro artwork) that is most presented by him having an awkward shaped mouth, and also having that eyepatch thing, is it justifiable to say he may have some sort of facial damage? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:Was wondering if you were going to post that here, well putting that he may have facial damage goes a little on the border of speculation but I do think that his oddly shaped mouth should be noticed since it's not a sprite mistake and was obviously on purpose [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: We've mentioned mass-fan-agreed-on speculation before. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Move to "Getis"? ==

If you listen to his battle music the choir says "Getis" over and over again, and so I think we should move it to "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 04:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not until there's a definite answer - plenty of people hear "Penance" being chanted, and before that track was identified as Geechisu's theme, it was believed to be Genosect's and gave rise to the "Dennis" meme because of people hearing that. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Except why would they be chanting an english word that sounds almost exactly like a pronunciation of the charecters name in a japanese game? It's much more likely they are saying "Getis", the characters name, than "Penance", something Getis is not showing at all (I mean, even after you beat him he still acts like he was doing the right thing, defiantly not showing penance at all), or the english name "Dennis", and a weird way of say the name as well (The "is" is not as stressed in the name dennis, as it is in the song, while Getis would have that stressed that way). [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 05:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::It doesn't sound like Getis to me, and you yourself don't even seem sure so it won't be moved. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, what do you hear it as? And how do I not sound sure about it? I am very sure they are saying "Getis". [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 23:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::While you may hear it as "Getis", others may hear it as "Dennis" or "Penance" or even just indiscernible ominous chanting. At any rate, I'm fairly certain that it's a tad too shaky to be suitable evidence for moving a page. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I suppose you're right. Perhaps when he appears in the anime we'll find out how his name is pronounced (Although I do hear the chanting as "Getis" or "Geetis"). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I guess we can wait to see how they pronounce it in the anime. It can't take too long for them to show Getis. I mean, he does appear very close to the start of the game. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Penance" fits with the Team Plasma theme of making people repent for abusing Pokémon. Granted that Geechisu does not himself do this, but he is still manipulating others into releasing their Pokémon as "penance" for imagined crimes. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 08:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Not really, because plasma is already dead when Getis attacks you. He's just attacking you in anger, not in anyway connected to penance. Penance would not make sense when talking about Getis making a desperate move to try to try to get revenge for destroying his dream. Besides, he wasn't really the sort of person who believed it was freeing pokemon, so Penance would actually be extremely out of context when fighting Getis. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 06:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

It's just [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.ptitle2gli7wce&id=16638#16638 come to my attention] that ゲーチス may actually stand for "Goetis" (from ''{{wp|goetia|goēteia}}'', Greek for "sorcery"). Would this be suitable for everyone?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:Except goetis would be written as ゴーチス　instead of ゲーチス. {{unsigned|mikkim}}
::True, but the Japanese Wikipedia mentions that it can also be written as ゲーティア.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 10:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So...are we good? Any objections?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I did find this {{tt|Sanskrit|I think..}} term "gati" (going/motion/destiny, plural:gatis), the term is used in Buddhism to mean "course of existence" or "destiny". Apparently there are six realms (Deva - god, {{tt|Asura|Coincidentally, one of the names of the seven sages}} - titans, Manusyas - humans, Tiryaks -animals, Pretas - ghost, Narakas -hell beings). So his name could also be a reference to this also. [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 01:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess that that can work. Goetis and Gatis both make more sense than most of the other names that have been guessed. Does anybody object to moving it to Goetis? [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 21:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not a total objection, but perhaps it's just an origin and not the proper romanization? In that case, moving the page would be a mistake. Does Nintendo ever put out any media (be it guides, promotional material, etc.) which would use the romanizations of human characters' names, and thus put this issue to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm, maybe romanizing dento as dent, poddo as pod, and koon as corn is also just an origin but not the proper romanization? Geechisu can also be written as Getis, because the closest thing the Japanese have to a "ti" is chi and su can also be read with the u being silent. It would be a proper romanization, just as proper as デント/dento -> dent　ポッド/poddo -> pod　コオン/ koon -> corn. Offical media is not nessecary, because any objection that you could have to ゲエチス/geechisu -> getis would also apply to デント/ポッド/コオン -> dent/pod/corn. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 00:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Technically I was opposed to those as well, but I suppose you have a point. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::There are countless possible spellings. Also, if Geechisu can be moved, then so should [[Shooti]] be moved to Shooty (the romanization we use now is simply incorrect because of prolonged "i"). Also, it's annoying how Bulbapedia lacks standards lately. I thought we aren't moving the pages because of romanizations, because we're waiting for English version. That's been the admins' trend towards moving lately. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, but are there countless spellings that actually make sense? I am not against Shooti being moved, and Geechisu -> Getis actually makes more sense than Shooti -> Shooty. If we aren't moving them to there correct romanizations, we might as well move Dent back to dento, Corn to Koon, Pod to Poddo, Iris to Airis, and so on. We are using the logical names for the gym leaders, so why are we not using the logical name for Goetis? {{unsigned|mikkim}}
: Given no one objected to it being a possible name origin, I added it to that section of his page while everyone tries figure out where to move it to. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
: While on the subject of where to put the page, the character in question is one of the few we hear pronounced, as it is chanted in his battle theme (unless that is really is or "Penance" or hell, even "Dennis"), while hard to make out, "Geechisu" is clearly out, and it is something like "Goetis" or "Getis". Not that it matters given we will have an actual English name in a few weeks.

== Interview confirms name "GCis" ==

CoroCoro has an interview with Junichi Masuda that confirms that Geechisu's name is GCis, from the G and Cis (C#) that the timpanis play in his battle theme. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 21:42, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Would you mind linking your source? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::This spelling, albeit correct meaning-wise, is simply too fugly. Let's just wait for his English name, okie? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That has nothing to do with this [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net (scroll down to the yellow box) [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 22:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::The only thing I see that confirming is the name's origin, not what its romanization is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::If that is the name's origin, then I guess the correct spelling is how you spell the name of the letter Gee (for G), thus I go for Geecis.[[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 00:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Red Eyes ==

Notice that four of Geechy's six Pokémon have red sclera? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:Notably, he also has a red shade on one of his eyes and two red eyes in his outfit. Coincidence? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::If it were all of them, I would say yes, but unfortunately I think that it is just a slight co-incidence. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia regarding appearance ==

Am I the only one who thinks Geechisu bears a passing resemblance to [http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/id/1178261/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&authtoken=7b86a2c58c4972d7e2e2aa060a3ce775&quality=100 this guy]? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 08:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Wow, you're right!!!!! [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia regarding music ==

I believe his battle music is the only one that has human voice. Is it not?'''[[User:Goldex555|Gold]][[User:Goldex555|ex]][[User:Goldex555|555]]''' 22:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nah. The FR/LG Champion music has {{tt|choir|Or at least something that sounds like choir}} at the beggining. Just listen closely... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 22:05, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
::Even, Miror B.'s theme in Colo is clearly the first.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 21:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== Move to Ghetsis (NOT because of the rumors) ==

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5ZwB8BwTA#t=3m5s

This was confirmed at the tour. See? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Japanese name romanization ==

So, what romanization should we use for his Japanese name. His English name is obviously corrupted, it's not a correct romanization of his Japanese name. I propose using "Gecis" in the Japanese context. It reflects the musical origin of his name well (and that inserted -e- reflects the pronounciation better and looks aesthetically better than "G'cis" or "G-cis", I don't think that this "e" ruins the etymology). So, what do you think? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think Gcis would be ideal, as it really is the true representation of the names origin, but Gecis doesn't deviate too much.--[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 03:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:: I agree. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::: How about "Geecis"? A single 'E' would make it sound like the strong 'E' in "special" instead of the soft E that we use to call the letter G. [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 06:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I would prefer GCis. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::As much as I would wish for the romanization of Geechisu's name, your ideas for romanization are wrong. Geechisu's name, pronounced "geh-chee-su", though having origins from "G" and "Cis", cannot be romanized as "Gecis" or "GCis" because they sound like "jee-sis". A possible romanizations for Geechisu's name could be "Gethis", with the "chi" making a "th" sound, which is common in romanizations. {{unsigned|Onxanthy}}
::::::No, it doesn't matter how you interpret the sound, it's whether it is a proper romanization. I think GCis is the way to go, simply because it the confirmed name origin. If there is a different official romanization, feel free to change it later. --[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 00:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::I understand that, but how is "GCis" pronounced? If it's pronounced "geh-sis", then that's fine because it is from Geechisu. However, if it is pronounced "jee-sis", that is almost as if calling Bulbasaur's Japanese name, Fushigidane, "fuh-shi-gi-dein", or even Pikachu, whose Japanese name is the same as its English name, "paika-chu". I do understand that you wish to change it to "GCis" because it confirms the origin of his name, but it does matter how the sound is interpreted and pronounced because it stays within the pronunciation the kana gives. You can't change the way the kana is pronounced unless it can be transliterated into it (e.g. "ru" becomes "lu"; "aa" becomes "ar"; "shi" becomes "si/see"). Since "gee" and "jee" are not from the same kana, it can't become "GCis". [[User:Onxanthy|Onxanthy]] 01:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== "Corrupted to make it sound more sinister" ==

Is it really necessary to have that line in the English box in the "Names" category? [[User:Onxanthy|Onxanthy]] 00:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Surname ==
I hadn't been sure of this since all we had at first was the patched ROM, but now that "Harmonia" is used in the official translation of the game as well, should it be listed as Ghetsis and N's surname? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 19:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:Well, I wouldn't move N to "N Harmonia", as N isn't his real name, obviously (it was confirmed in an interview for Nintendo Dream). As for Ghetsis Harmonia - maybe... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Move to "Ghetsis Harmonia" ==

He does have a full name like "Ash Ketchum". [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:I completly agree. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
::I am not opposed to having his full name there, but I believe his full name should be redirected here instead. In the games, he is mostly referred to as Ghetsis. His name seems kind of spoiler-y as well, so there's that to consider as well. A similar idea is present at both Professor Juniper's articles. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 19:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::A redirect would work. I could make one if you approve. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Already one step ahead of you. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 19:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay thanks Jello. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::But the entire name is the first thing you see when you enter the page. Plus it's in the infobox as well. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 19:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Full name ==

His full name was never given as "Ghetsis Harmonia" in at least the English version of the game (he just mentioned the "Harmonia" family/clan/name/whatever). While I'm willing to accept that it's probably his full name, why the assumption that the katakana would be ハルモニア•ゲーチス and not ゲーチス•ハルモニア, given that Unova is based on New York? When Western names are rendered in Japanese, the forename goes before the surname.

Note that I'm not saying that ゲーチス•ハルモニア is necessarily correct, either. I'm just saying that unless it's stated either way, it's bad to assume. --[[User:Ketsuban|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Ketsuban|Talk]] 14:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
:Given that neither of Ghetsis's names are remotely Japanese, plus the setting, I think that the Western order is more appropriate, at least until we have something more solid to go on. It seems that most Japanese sites also use the western order for his name, so that's what I've changed it to for now. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 09:20, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

== Isn't that the opposite? ==

It says "Ghetsis unwilligly let the player battle N" or something like that. Isn't that the opposite? Didn't he say something like "Go (name)! Prove your worth"! or somethhing like that in N's castle?[[User:Bobosmith01|~Bobo]] 20:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with this..... (but why can't the sentence just be edited?) [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 00:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:Since nobody disagreed, I edited the sentence. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 19:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

== Needs more plot information. ==

Specifically, one very important thing is unexplained by this page, and it MUST be fixed:

What the hell is wrong with this guy? No, I know, it SEEMS like trivia until you realise he is a bigger jerk that the ones who tried to destroy the universe. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 13:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
:That's left unexplained in the games, so anything we added to try to answer that would just be speculation. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

=="Corrupted romanization"==
Why is the English romanization considered "corrupted" while the others aren't?

The romaji would be ''gēchisu'' and I guess the official trademarked version is ''G-Cis'', so shouldn't all the other romanizations be considered "corrupted"?
I don't understand why "Ghetis" or "Ghecis" or "Ghechis" aren't "corrupted", yet "Ghetsis" is. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 00:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

==Translated concept art==
After posting my [[Talk:N#N's Puzzle Cube|translation of N's concept art]], I got a request to translate [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ghetsis_Concept_Art.jpg Ghetsis's concept art] as well. So here it goes...

'''Ｇ-Ｃｉｓ''' (ゲーツィス)
*Ostensibly a member of the [[Seven Sages|seven-man group]].
*After the seven-man group gives N the crown on the Day of God (Japanese: 神の日 ''Kami no Hi''), if you look closely, he's the only one who doesn't kneel.
*He established the [[Team Plasma|organization]] for his own purposes, making N the organization's center and preparing him to become a god.
*Rumors say that he's N's father, and that's why he decided to make him king.
*He physically resembles N.
*He's the opponent that the protagonist fights at the end.
*Before the final battle (when N's gone), he tells the protagonist that he's N's father.
:(Is it the truth, or is he just trying to upset the protagonist? Even that's uncertain.)
*G-Cis's own selfish desire is to achieve world domination, which is his true purpose.
*Desires absolute power, covets total control, has an aggressive personality, and will not stop until he's completely obtained both. That's perfection...
*Even after losing to the protagonist, G-Cis's ambition for perfection, his desire, will continue to expand even further.
*Height is about 200cm (N's height is 180cm).
*His clothing is like that of an archbiship, and the golden embroidery is reversed on the left and right sides.

That's the entire thing. Note that his name was spelled differently (ゲーツィス instead of ゲーチス), and Team Plasma and the Seven Sages apparantly hadn't been named yet. Also states that, despite rumors and what he says, his status as N's father is supposed to remain uncertain -- to be perfectly clear, that bit in the parenthesis is from the design notes (本当なのか？それとも主人公を動揺させたいだけなのか？それすら定かではない), not my own comment. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 05:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

: It's not ゲー'''シ'''ィス, but ゲー'''ツ'''ィス (''Ghetsis''). The concept art seems to refer to his English name. [[Special:Random|'''AKUro?''']] [[User talk:Akurochan|あくロ]][[Special:Contributions/Akurochan|ちゃん]] 06:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:Hi I love you forever. This is pretty cool, they perfectly knew how they wanted the character to be since the start. Thank you for translating! [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 08:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

== Memory Link: Unknown trainer ==

For the line "And I've lost to some unknown Trainer not once, but TWICE?!" upon being defeated in BW2, the article comments that he does not say this line if Memory Link is used. Is this erroneous? Having used Memory Link with a completed BW, the line appeared for me. Intuitively it seems like a line he would say if Memory Link '''is''' used, not the opposite. - [[User:Miraglyth|Miraglyth]] ([[User talk:Miraglyth|talk]]) 16:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
:Fixed, he says that in both cases. And that makes sense - I don't think that Ghetsis knows who you are, so he refers to protagonist as an unknown Trainer. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 16:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Anime artwork ==

Is there any reason why we should have the ''Best Wishes'' artwork in the anime section? It's not useful as it is nearly identical to the video game art. [[User:Dancing Dragonite|Dancing Dragonite]] ([[User talk:Dancing Dragonite|talk]]) 22:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

== BW ==

As far as I know, Ghetsis makes a comment on the player, should (s)he win battle against N, but lose against Ghetsis and go try again. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 11:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Bouffalant's ability ==

…is not [[Reckless (ability)|Reckless]]; it is [[Sap Sipper (ability)|Sap Sipper]], which raises its Attack by one level when hit with a [[Grass (type)|Grass-type]] attack.
[[User:HMSaph|HMSaph]] ([[User talk:HMSaph|talk]]) 19:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:It's definitely Reckless [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 20:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

== Ghetsis Harmonia Gropius ==
The new August chapter of Pokemon Special that just came out in Pokemon Fan apparently says that his full name, at least in that continuity, is indeed Ghetsis Harmonia Gropius. Do what you will with that. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 06:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== "Projects G & F" ==

So I know Project G is the Genesect Army, but what is Project F? I'm guessing I'm just missing something and you guys already know, but just thinking, could it be "F" for "FOG"? As in [[Anthea and Concordia]]?
{{unsigned|Nutter Butter}}
:It is never revealed. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 04:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Official Artwork? ==

Where did this come from? Does anyone know? I found it on the Villains Wiki.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130623123005/villains/images/2/22/Let_your_Pokemon_go%21.jpg [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 19:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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<big><big><big>'''ATTENTION: THIS PAGE IS NOT FOR ARGUMENTS. GO TO THE FORUMS FOR THAT.'''</big></big></big>

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)
:How about [http://bayimg.com/image/aapfgaabl.jpg this one], or should we just wait for the official individual art from [[Ken Sugimori]] to be released.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::If you click through to the archives from the image's page, you'll notice that it's already been updated to the official art, taken from the HG/SS official site. There's just something up with the way images are being shown on the 'pedia. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

According to the screen revealed in CoroCoro and Famitsu, Soul seems to be the boy's name... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sigh. You know as well as I do that "Leaf" is among the optional names for Red in LeafGreen, too, don't you? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well. I know that it doesn't indicate anything. But I noted it here to show that the assumption that her name will be "Soul" is nothing more than gunjumping. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, we needed a name for her page and we couldn't really name her "That girl who replaced Kris causing all the fans to whine (game)". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really think for the time being we should call her the "Un-named female trainer", or something like that. Besides, we can't assume her name based on what [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen versions|one generation]] did.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 15:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:The name is pretty much a place-holder (no user is going to be willing to search something like "Un-named female trainer" just to find the this article) at this point, which is why it is clearly tagged in the article to avoid confusion. And if the precedent from gen III holds, the article will have already had its proper name, and if not, it can very easily be corrected. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Leaf_(game) this] if you don't mind since I gave my opinion as well as a few facts (at least one XD). [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew it! her name was going to be Soul just like I predicted in Kris's Talk Page. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 17:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we don't know for a fact yet AlienX2008. While there is a 99% chance of her name being Soul (which I am starting to think is her name as opposed to Heart which I previously thought), there is no official word yet. Right now Soul is just her fan-name.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 18:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it Heart? I heard that according to those scans that the Pokemon website has,it has the Gold character with the default name "Soul"? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, i hope its Heart. But i'd be ok with Soul. {{unsigned|Golden}}

I personally think this article should be called "Female character (Heart Gold/Soul Silver)" since we don't know her name yet.It's best we avoid misinformation until more is revealed. - seriousexpression
:There would be no point in having an article then. Although I think it is jumping the gun as well, the article does say that it is a fan-made name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::This article may be jumping the gun slightly, maybe, but truly, I'd rather have done it now just in case some dork comes along and wonders where she is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always change it later.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her called Mariko on the Japanese site Pixiv. I haven't heard it anywhere else; is this another fan nickname, or is it official? --[[User:Lime|Lime]] 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Might be one of the default names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the female referred to as like Haato and the male referred to as Souru? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== New screenshot ==

Can someone translate what she is saying in the new screenshot, please? This may give us some kind of information about her... [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/joodude/1245089067561.jpg

This one? -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. I've tried to translate it, but realized soon enough that translating anything that does not use our alphabet is not for me. I got "Steer!". Please. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::According to the gallery on {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} it reads ''"Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 21:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== About Soul...==

I know this is simply speculation,but Soul looks a lot like that [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/Playergirl.png girl] that replaces Red if you insert a Crystal cart. with Kris into the game,right? Okay,maybe not a lot but still..Leaf is obviously based off that girl playable character that was left out of the first generation,right? Maybe Soul is based off this girl? If so,could we put it in the article? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:A. This comparison is an opinion, and B. No, because it's an opinion it cannot go into the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oh,okay,just making sure. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sketch: If that's so, then why is the following paragraph in the article:
:::"Due to her similar hair, it is believed by some fans that she is to Kris what Leaf is to Blue: a vastly redesigned version of her. As Kris's Special counterpart Crystal likewise had brown hair initially (though it was changed to blue to match her counterparts of Kris and Marina), and currently has brown hair again." -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 21:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. He put it in. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::If anything, Stadium Boy and Stadium Girl are just that. Stadium people. Because this was before they identified your game as your game through the Trainer's appearance. Plus, since RGBY are playable with Stadium 2, it'd look really odd to see Red face... himself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

==SERIOUS BUSINESS==
I just read one of the scans's captions on the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions]]page. It said:

'''Inside Professor Elm's laboratory. "Oh, Soul! I've been waiting for you to come!"''

Does this mean the name is now set in stone? I don't want to edit it straight away incase this isn't the case. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:New stuff goes at the bottom. Also, look at that picture. Elm is talking to GOLD, not [[Soul|this new girl <s>that no one cares about</s>]]. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Most likely, "Soul" is a default name for Gold, like how "Diamond" and "Pearl" are default names for Lucas. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|Exactly.|Which probably means that was a screenshot from SoulSilver.}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

So, why not change the article to Heart? [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:That will likely be a default name for '''both''' in ''HeartGold'', just like Soul will be in ''SS'', just as “Red” was a default for both the [[Red (game)|boy]] '''and''' the [[Leaf (game)|girl]] in ''FireRed'' and “Green” for both in ''LeafGreen''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
== Final proof ==

Eusine in HGSS. Means Crystal stuff is there. Means Soul is Kris. Yes or yes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
: Hmm... Let's do it. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for CoroCoro to come out before making any decisions just yet.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Three days? Good for me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Waiting for concrete proof would be ideal. If it explicitly mentions that it's Kris, then go for it. Otherwise... well isn't that a lot of speculation that we can enjoy ;) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 19:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::What does Eusine have to do with anything? Just because he's from Crystal doesn't mean that everything else is. They could just be simply putting some events from Crystal into this game. Chris is right. Wait for concrete proof. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The main argument in the past was that this girl must be a new character because HeartGold and SoulSilver are not remakes of Crystal, so anything that was in Crystal can't be in HG/SS. Now that that argument has been put to rest, there's really no reason left to believe she isn't Kris. At the very least, a merge would solve the problem that this page is located at an unofficial title.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 20:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::...No reason? How about the fact that Soul looks NOTHING like Kris, unlike the other redesigned characters? Or the fact that that her clothes DON'T look like they're based on Kris' ones, unlike the other player characters' outfits? Or the fact that she would be the only player character whose hair color was changed to a totally different one in a remake (Red had brown hair in Pokémon Stadium 2, so no, FR/LG didn't change his hair from black to brown), and even compared to the few characters who had a hair color change (Lance and Lorelei), the change between from Kris' and Soul's hair color is too drastic (Lance and Lorelei's new hair colors [reddish pink and red respectively] could be obtained by changing the tonality of the original ones [reddish orange and purple], but you can't get Soul's hair color [brown] by changing the tonality of Kris' [blue])? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Kris's hair color was originally dark brown before they changed it to fit with the "Crystal" theme. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::When did game Kris have brown hair? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The manga. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which should be irrelevant because Special Crystal is based on game Kris, and not the other way around. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::However, she did still have Brown hair...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, there was something about a prototype female character similar to Kris that had brown hair, but I haven't found a picture so far x.x '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::PsychicRider: And anime Bill had green hair. So?
:::::::::::::Sol: You mean the "prototypical" artwork that was revealed years before Gold and Silver came out?:
:::::::::::::http://web.archive.org/web/20041021125709/http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gbc/alpha/alpha_girltrainer.png
::::::::::::: - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Bill has nothing to do with this...He may or may not be getting new artwork...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Neither have Pokémon Special or Special Crystal. The manga has even less influence in the games than the anime. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::You can't even keep your point. Special Crys did get a change...She had brown that switched to blue...Oh, kinda like this, but reversed...hm...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 23:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::"You can't even keep your point." < What? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Guys, how much like Red did Red look? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::A lot. Both original and FRLG Red have brown spiky hair, red-and-white jacket and cap, black shirt, blue pants... - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Just wanted to say, I support the merge, for what that's worth. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:The whole thing with PokéSpe Crystal's Blue/Brown hair aside, I'm going to side with Chris and Kenji-girl and suggest waiting until we at least get more concrete evidence pertaining specifically to this character -- such as [[Kris_(game)#Optional_names_for_Kris|sharing default names]], a mention on [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ Masuda's blog] (or preferably [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/ Sugimori's] with some early concept art, just to see that blog updated more than once a year), etc. -- before accepting that Kris and Soul are the same character.
::Not even Leaf's design is changed as drastically from the prototype RGB girl -- Leaf and RBG girl both have long brown hair, a mini-skirt, and no sleeves -- as Soul is from Kris. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 02:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
we already jumped the gun by making this page, so we might as well keep it until everything is 100% confirmed. I don't see how Crystal stuff being in these remakes automatically makes Soul Kris. What is so bad about waiting. And just throwing this in, but how about in the future we actually wait instead of having to go through this again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Waiting would mean someone comes along and makes an article at "NOO GURL (Hartgald/soulver)" that's an absolute mess. And considering the fandom's whining about "SHE'S NOT KRIS" and all that bullcrap... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
She's not Kris. EoT. I don't see how Eusine has anything to do with that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:What evidence is there that she's not Kris, aside from their appearances? We've come up with evidence to indicate she is, the appearance of Crystal elements and her appearing with Eusine in a picture being a few. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's not any evidence. It's just a failed comparative logic. Come on, we didn't even believe CONFIRMED dub title when it revealed [[Barry (anime)|Barry]]'s name. We didn't move his page until the airing of the episode. So, why are we supposed to believe some failed logic? Because the main 'Pedia admin is supporter of the "Soul is Kris" theory? It is NOT an evidence. As long as it's not blatantly stated that she is design-raped Kris after a nuclear explosion, we should not believe any failed "evidences" like that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I just want to say that I oppose the merge. They are obviously different people, and like said above, if you do merge them people will be saying "WTH! SOUL ISNT KRIS" and making fail pages named "new gil(hgss)" --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''An'' evidence? Sheez. Anyway, Maxim, I'm still not seeing any logic coming from you, aside from "they look different." Well, you also had "Not a Crystal remake," but that's obviously no longer the case. We've got "They don't look ''that'' different," "They fill the same role in-game," "Kris appears in a shot with Eusine," "Other characters have undergone drastic visual changes," etc.
:Please, if you have an argument, present it. It doesn't seem like you're using any logic, and I'd love for that to change. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::We have no proof that Soul is Kris, or even that Kris wont even be a character. She might pop up somewhere else, like Blue being a Gym Leader. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 19:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::We also have no proof that Soul is '''''NOT''''' Kris. Blue popped up as Gym Leader 3 years after he began his journey. This is back at the beginning of Gold/Kris's journey. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Both sides of the argument piss off the other side, so maybe we should leave this as is for now. We have no evidence to support either side, and all that is happening now are insults on how the other side isn't right. So just drop the subject for now, and we will pick it up once something in the Pokémon world actually happens. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Does it really matter if she is Kris or not. At least they are remaking G/S. That's what matters. I would love to have Kris back. Soul and Kris have similarities. They probably did that on purpose. To make her look similar to Kris. So until she is confirmed to be Kris, if she is her, i say no merger yet.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I say no to any merger at this point. There is strong evidence in favour of her being Kris, however it is nowhere near confirmed. I say we leave it as it is for the moment, otherwise, the situation could arise where we merge the pages, and then have the messy job of unmerging them, and removing all the Soul stuff from Kris's page. Surely you guys can wait til September 12th to merge the page, just to make sure your doing it when it is confirmed, and not another instance where Bulbapedia jumps the gun.
But I have a question, what will be the proof for either side, when the game comes out, if Kris isn't her name, when she is the NPC, will that confirm she's not Kris, equally if Kris is in her optional names, will that confirm she is Kris? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 14:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Personally, I believe it's what her NPC "helper" name is, what will determine who she is. Be it Kris, Soul or something totally different. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::@ Max King: No, it wouldn't prove a damned thing. If you'll recall, the player character from Diamond and Pearl have Ash/Satoshi or Gary/Shigeru amongst their default names, but that most certainly does not make them Red or Green. Player-Character Girl should use this name for now, since the mob of fanon has spoken. It'll be changed later whether they like it or not. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 13:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If I may add my opinion into this, I don't believe for a second they are the same and oppose the merge. In FireRed/LeafGreen, Red and Leaf were recognisable as who they were meant to be (albeit Leaf never appeared in the original, but there WAS beta artwork of her); Red still had a red jacket, red hat, blue pants; and Leaf still had the boots and same hairstyle. On the other hand, Soul resembles Kris in no way, shape, or form beyond the hair, and even then...I don't see the hair similarities beyond pigtails. Alongside that, if Soul WAS Kris, why would she look so utterly different if Gold and Silver are easily recognizable? It just doesn't make sense. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:Given her weird hair similar to the original Kris’s, and her appearance alongside Eusine in that [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_03_04.jpg Burned Tower/Legendary Beasts artwork], I am inclined to agree with TTE that she seems to be mainly a heavy redesign Kris/Crystal, and she will definitely be named the latter when I play her in ''SoulSilver''( now that I feel pretty sure ''HG''/''SS'' will be thirdversionless like ''FR/LG''). But there is something to be said for putting her at her NPC name, unless she is nameable as an NPC, in which case I say merge to Kris for sure. The REAL question we should be asking is what we do with '''''Gold''''' if '''''his''''' NPC name is nothing like “Gold”. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 13:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::Eusine's design hardly changed from his Crystal art, at all. The only thing that stands out as "major" is the designs on his suit. Everything else is basically the same (unless you consider adding lines to his hair a major addition, or that his one bang flipped sides). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I think I said that badly. Wasn’t saying Eusine looks weird. Should be more clear now. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::To answer your question, if Gold gets a new NPC name, then the obvious solution is to create a new article for him with regards to HG/SS, and leave [[Gold (game)]] solely for any and all details with regards to G/S/C.
::::But, this has nothing to do with improvement to {{tt|Soul's|Or whoever the heck she is!}} article, so back to point, or continue the discussion somewhere else? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I didn’t mean to start a tangent on it here, just honestly think it’s a more pertinent question than this one. But not one that needs addressing just yet... kinda like this. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
===Hey look, a section break!===
Strange as it may sound, I agree with Mav. Neither side is really gaining any ground here, so we should all just call her what we want to call her, be it "Soul," "Kris," "Maria," etc, and stop yelling at people who don't agree. And it's not like Bulbapedia defines reality. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:But both sides should agree that the name "Soul" for the girl is practically denied. All screens confirm "Heart" as a version name for the girl and the page should be moved. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
While I think she's clearly just supposed to be Crys's equivalent, and Crys in the Special manga will thus have her outfit when she reappears, if the article really MUST use a name to refer to this "new" girl, why the hell is Soul used? The ONLY names that have been seen for her are Heart and Miki, while the MALE character has only been seen with the names Soul and Hiroshi. (Miki and Hiroshi only being used in a wireless battle for the second versions of them.) If there's a name used for her, it should be Heart for now. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 00:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Soul is mainly used because the FRLG girl was Leaf. Therefore, it's only logical that she'd be named Soul, following Leaf's pattern of being named after the first word in the second game. I say we keep it as Soul until the game comes out, where if it turns out she's Heart we change it then. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::How can this be logical when screens say otherwise? :/ [[User:Erik Destler|~*~ Erik Destler ~*~]] 22:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Except to me, it's only logical that she's just the new version of Crys, regardless of what you wanna call her, or what she's called when she's an NPC. (I'm betting the boy won't be named "Gold" when he's an NPC, but he doesn't have a separate page from the G/S/C versions' boy. Odds are very likely that the boy and girl will get 'real' names just like gen 3 and 4 gave them.) Bottom line is that "Soul" has never been used in any way for her; it's nothing but speculation, and thus it should not be presented as such on an encyclopedia. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That's why we have the template... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::If you mean the "has no official name", that doesn't change the fact she's referred to as Soul throughout the article, which has lead to everyone annoyingly calling her as such like it's official. The most ridiculous thing is that the Japanese equivalent is there; seriously, what the hell? She should either not be referred to with any name or be called by a name that she's actually been seen having in-game, Heart. Not to mention it should be written in a way that explains where her names come from, rather than misleadingly-worded statements like "Soul is the female player character..." [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 02:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps the best way to approach this for now is to give the article a more neutral point of view with respect to the Kris/Soul debate. Also, I've stated several times on BMGf why I think using the default names isn't an indicator of this girl's identity. Default names have changed from game to game, see [[Gold (game)]]. Chances are, she'll have a new default name in HG/SS, but then again, so will Gold. The best evidence I can think of is to look at the anime and manga. If this girl is introduced as a separate character in those media, we can assume she's a new character in the games, if Crystal and Marina just end up getting new looks, then it's safe to say that this girl is Kris.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 15:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::@ Eric Destler: Screens tell us which names the people who took the screens are using, not which names are default. As others have pointed out, we've seen screens with a number of names for the characters in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, and none of them were the names we wound up using for the characters. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Guys Kris is Soul. Give me one good reason why Kris isn't Soul.{{unsigned|Pokemon1234567890}}
:::::::::Because she broke Strong Bad's rule about Japanese cartoons. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Why cant you all just wait 40 days until the games come out and we can finally have the answer? Soul is an unofficial name. and think about it. Green/Leaf diddnt appear in Red/Blue/Yellow other then that picture in the guidebook. Even then, she was portrayed by her Manga counterpart. In the remakes she got a new look, and was basically a new character. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 18:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, neither side of this argument has any real evidence to support its opinion. At this point, all anyone knows is that there's a female playable character in this game. Some people look at the design and see a radical redesign of Kris; others think it's a new character. The art is the only grounds anyone has for forming an opinion, and this page has certainly proved that that's not a good enough basis for making a decision. Since we've seen that the pre-release screenshots have a history of giving the characters different names from their "real" ones, the text boxes referring to her as "Heart" aren't any help either. In lieu of any new information either way, it would seem most reasonable to me to leave this page as it is until we know more. After all, if this is a redesign of Kris, I don't think anyone can disagree that it has succeeded in making her look like a new character, at least moreso than any previous redesign. We don't have any concrete information, so there's really nothing to do but wait. Bickering over whether Kris and "Soul's" hairstyles match obviously isn't going to get us anywhere. Actually, with the ridiculously fierce debate this trivial issue has inspired, I can only hope the girl ends up being named "Cindy." [[User:Kyunji|Kyunji]] 04:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Kyunji is right you know! Let's just STOP! It's really annoying! Let's just WAIT! Gees! Why does NO ONE listens!?

Signed,
--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 18:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Master of Bulbasaur and the Turtwig♀
:Wait for what exactly? Nintendo to hold a press conference revealing this girl's identity? It's not going to happen, and no matter what evidence we get, this debate will continue to exist. I'm hoping that we can get some resolution when we find out how the Manga and possibly Anime handle this but I'm not holding my breath. The only thing that is known for now is that some people view her as an updated Kris, and some people view her as a new character. Currently, there are still articles, such as [[Kris (game)]] which refer to "Soul" as a new character. These need to be fixed to be more neutral with respect to the debate. Also, to fix this article, how about merging it with Kris's article, but giving the HG/SS girl her own section along with some background on the Kris/Soul debate?[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 17:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. I think the primary reason most of the fandom is treating this as a new girl named Soul is because of the BP page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 17:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I just think once we play the game and learn more of the storyline behind her, then we might have more of an idea of who she is. Merging them into one article will be messy, because once the games come out, there will be many things to add to this article, such as Party template(if you battle her), and the list of names to choose from. and she is obviously a new character. Soul really doesnt look much like her. Different hair styles, different clothes, different eye/hair colors, etc. Soul isnt any more a remake of Kris as [[Pearl (game)|Pearl]] is a remake of [[Wally]]. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Once again: Since we've established that there is no definite evidence to support either side of the argument, it would be illogical to reverse the article's current stance on the situation. Merging this article with Kris's would be an entirely subjective decision, and one could use what little we know now to make an equally valid case for separating the two again. Whatever happens, the nickname "Soul" is certainly here to stay; it's far too late to do anything about that. Personally, I'm fine with it -- if this is indeed a new character, there's precedent for the nomenclature in FRLG -- but unfortunately for those who disagree, it is very hard to remove an idea from the minds of the fanbase once it has been planted. On another note, I would certainly support making the other articles more neutral on the subject, since this has somehow turned into a serious issue. [[User:Kyunji|Kyunji]] 23:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hasn't anyone thought that her name might change if you pick a diffrent starter Pokemon? For example: If you pick Totodile, her name is Kris. And if you pick a Chikitora, it's Heart! No one ever thought of that! Signed,--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀
:That is very unlikely. The rival's Pokemon usually has an advantage over yours, and the Female's Pokemon usualy is whatever is left.(Although May/Brendan isnt considered your rival?) It has nothing to do with the names. The names are based on which version game you are playing. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Having watched this go nowhere for months, I have no hesitation in saying [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/index.php get to the forums] if you really want to theorize. There will be no solution to this debate, and hence Bulbapedia will stay with this ''temporary'' name until something more official comes out. End of story. Don't reply here. Srsly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree, I can see it that we might have to ban this if it get out of hand in forums and Bulbapedia.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 03:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Look, with the games announced here now, Pokémon.com will soon have pictures of the player characters (I give it a week or two) and one of us can write in and say: "I wemembew in Pokemon Cwystal, you could be a girl too, is this the same one?" then we'll have confirmation and we can wait to learn her pseudo-rival name to make it official (in less than a month).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I don't mean to get in the heat of the arguement here, but i have a question. Why are we calling her Soul? I'm neutral on the aspect of she is Kris or not (nor could i care), but if she's being called Heart in all the screenshots so far, and Gold being called Soul, why is she being called Soul? It's weird to base it off of one game's name. Wouldn't it be best to call her by the name she's being called in the screenshots? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 05:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::When FireRed and LeafGreen were made, they introduced a female playable character. It was later discovered that her name was Leaf, the prefix of the second remake name. Because of this, people gave this girl the name Soul. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Not to sound rude but... so what? In the screenshots, the guy is being referred to as Soul (well, Souru-Kun. Same thing) and she's being referred to as Heart. So wouldn't it be more correct to call her Heart? I don't think it matters what happened in Leaf Green, considering it makes no difference to this game at all. If the screenshots call her Heart, why can't we call her Heart? Even if we don't... its really incorrect to call her Soul because thats what the guy (known as Gold in the originals) is being referred to. Very confusing, if you ask me. o.O [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Don't preach to me. I gave you the answer you were looking for, and I wasn't the one who named this page. It's not like it matters anyway. The Games come out in less then a month and then all will be set straight. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

===Section break 2===
Does any1 remember what was said on the remake speculation page? once doesn't make a pattern. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 14:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, look, seriously. Did my last "get off the page" rant not work? Listen.
:This is going nowhere. The game comes out in three weeks. It is noted on the page that it is a ''placeholder'' name, until we get the official one. When the game comes out, and we get a name, we'll move it then. And. Only. Then. No discussions.
:If you really feel so passionate about the Soul/Heart/Kris debate, there are more likeminded people [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 right here]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::Has anyone actually thought that another reason for Soul to be Kris can be based on comparison of the female player character's artwork from RGBY and FRLG? Leaf doesn't look like anything as the Gen I girl yet they're the same characters and this is confirmed by the manga since it's based on the games. Likely, Leaf might not even be her real name, which means it's Blue. For English versions, she might be called Green unless we believe that FRLG fixed the RB fiasco. Also, for those that say the girl's Heart and that Gold is Soul, have you forgotten that those are example names like Diamond and Plato are for Lucas, right? Thus, the screenshots might be from SS. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Leaf's her name. Confirmed by game data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, you're right. I don't even know why I thought otherwise when I wrote that, seriously. But my point remains valid though. I'm still doubtful that Gold is now Hibiki and Soul is Kotone, just because of the anime and Pokémon Sunday. Marina is Kris' anime counterpart but they didn't get the same name. So Kotone is still Soul for me. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::In the games she is Kotone. Deal with it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 13:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::I won't get over it until the games have been hacked through and the data for both Gold and Soul has been obtained, like everyone else. And by your logic, then Dia and Pearl should've been the Japanese names for Lucas and Dawn, when they're obviously not. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== A vast redesign? ==
She could just be a vast redesign of [[Kris (game)|Kris]]. The hair color change could be to get out of the Crystal theme, and Lorelei's hair went from deep purple to bright red. Both Lucas's and Dawn's outfuts changed vastly, so, my opinion is she's a redesign. [[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 18:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

hey i'm new at this but if kotone/lyra is different from Kris then on the new pokemon adventure coming this april would it kotone/lyra not kris that will appear on the manga and also note that if kris is not kotone/lyra then ethan is also not gold thereby making new characters... also not that the name kris is only fan made it could be that her real name was undecided that time and she really is meant to be called kotone/lyra also note the sudden change of hair color of kris in the manga it could imply taht she is a drastic redesign of kris like ethan is to gold see the manga pictures it looks a lot like kotone/lyra so I say we can fuse them together...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 11:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:They will probably make Kris be away doing some sort of errand/quest, and introduce Lyra as a new character. Gold is probably the same character as Ethan, and I doubt they would be as lame as to make Ethan a new character. Also note that the Manga doesnt use names like "May, Brendan, Lucas, Barry, Dawn, etc". So Lyra will probably be named Soul or something like that. But this isn't a discussion to have on talkpages. This is a discussion for the forums. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

:okay i don't know where the forums is and where to post so could you actually attach a link to it but for now i would like to pose this.<s>File:Kotoneevolve.JPG</s>file was deleted see the resemblance '''and also who have said that the playable character girl in pokemon crystal version was named kris nobody said that it is just fan made.''' like how ethan and gold be it is just a redesign... so could we merge it and say it is just a vast redesign... i would accept she really is a different character if she has another character than the one in manga...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 13:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 HGSS forums]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

i hat to relive this issue but does the pokemon adventure shows Kris with a lyra design meaning that she really is a vast design of the character so i plead for another merge...[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 05:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Possible names ==

Okay lemme put these forward:
* ソウル ''Soul'' (based on precedent set by {{ga|Leaf}})
* ミキ ''Miki'' (default name used in Festa battle)
* ハート ''Heart'' (default name used in Festa battle)
* コトネ ''Kotone'' (according to [http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9950/400760.jpg this])
* クリス ''Kris'' (Crystal, thanks)
* マリナ ''Marina'' (why not?)

Or it could be something completely out of the blue. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think they called her Kotone in the anime as well. According to that scan anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::Still doesn't mean anything until the games say it. All the game/anime connection can help us with is her dub name for the episode, due to the {{an|May}}/{{ga|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}/{{ga|Dawn}} connection. And unless they rename Green as Gary and Red as Ash, that's still an up-in-the-air point. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm done with the whole Kris/Soul debate as it's completely ridiculous and dependent on one's definition of the word "character". That said, I still think this article belongs merged with [[Kris (game)]] for the sake of consistency with [[Gold (game)]].[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 14:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::Regarding the so-called "precedent" set by Fire Red and Leaf Green, something happening once does not make it a pattern. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 18:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I know, right? :/ But people don't listen. But judging by the screenshots, she appears as an NPC in game. So we'll have clarification that her name is Heart when the game is out. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Did you guys ''REALLY'' have to reopen old wounds? The page was protected because of ranting like this. You want it to happen again? DROP IT. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== The Final Judgment ==
Pokémon Sunday just confirmed Kotone to be her name in the games. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 23:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's it! That's pretty much solid evidence! Is it not?! [[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 23:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Rain: How does this confirm she's not Kris again?
Remember, Gold has a new name too, it's Hibiki. He's not a new character though. It confirms her name, yes. But I say wait for the slight chance of the opposite gender being nameable and the girl being referred as 'Soul/Heart' confirming she's a new character.

Speaking of Hibiki, why isn't Gold (game) moved to Hibiki (game)?
EDIT: Even if she looked exactly like Kris, would anyone honestly expect her have to her pre-set name to be such? I'm doubtful people would be saying it confirms her being a new character if she looked exactly like Kris, but was still named Kotone. I can see why people see the anime thing as a confirmation, but ''this''? Gold and Kris didn't co-exist originally, so they didn't have normal common names. You guys may as well jump the gun and make a new article for the new male playable character, Hibiki. They can look exactly alike to be the different characters too, Cal anyone? {{unsigned|Raine}}

:Can you please go to the forum about this? We are totally sick of the arguments. For now, Gold is Gold and Kotone is Kotone. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Why remove all hints of Soul? ==

Shouldn't there be a trivia section mentioning that fans named her Soul and that she was referred to as Soul since she was revealed to this day? We do it for Silver saying how fans named him "Kamon". It's a big part of Kotone's history. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks! --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

As for the trivia section, the page refers to her as having a Gold and Silver counterpart, shouldn't that be changed to Crystal as she never did have a G/S counterpart?--[[User:Terrios|Terrios]] 12:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== As for her anime appearance ==

Remember what happened when [[Barry]] debuted. He wasn't part of {{ga|Pearl}}'s page for a reason: they're different characters. Same with {{an|Dawn}}-- she's barely mentioned on {{ga|Dawn}}'s page, and game-Dawn is not at all reflected on anime-Dawn's page.

So when Kotone appears in the anime, she'll be at {{an|Kotone}}. Until we get English names. Then we move both of these to the respective English names like we did Dawn and May.

Everyone got that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, TTE, most of us do remember what happen with Barry (or Jun for awhile). No1 make a page of Kotone until the Episodes ([[DP143]]/[[DP144]]) air. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Her name actually is Soul. ==

I told my friend(who speaks Japanese fluently) about Soul being named Kotone, and he said Kotone is Soul in Japanese. So really, her name is Soul? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:Until the games are released, she'll remain Soul. For me, Kotone is to Soul what Diamond and Plato were to Lucas, placeholders used by Nintendo to showcase the games. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::I am just saying, because I dont want everyone to change every single link and image name yet. Get a real translator(not google translator) and see what it says. Cause my friend said he looked in his Japanese dictionary and thats what it said. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::It should stay at Kotone because that is her name in Japanese. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Where have Hibiki and Kotone been revealed to be Gold's and Soul's names? In Pokémon Sunday? Those names sound more like examples than the characters' real names. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well Kotone is still better than Soul. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::How is Kotone a better name then Soul? Still, the point is, the Pokemon sunday thing might have called her Kotone because Kotone is Soul in Japanese. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::No, Kotone DOES NOT mean "Soul" in Japanese. Even if it did, we DO NOT translate names like that. It's like saying that Dawn is called "Light" in Japanese. But Kotone does not mean soul, anyway. It means "sound of a koto (harp)". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone change something for me plz ==

Can they change 6 September 2009's to September 6, 2009's that sounds a lot better. Plus I can't change it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 15:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's odd...you should be able to...it's not protected anymore...--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 15:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Only established editors can edit it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Page name ==

Why does it need to be "Kotone (game)", with "Kotone" being a redirect? If she's the only Kotone, her page should just be "Kotone", and, if there are others, "Kotone" needs to be a disambiguation page rather than a redirect. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 07:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:There is a change she will be named that in the anime. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 07:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Same as with {{ga|Pearl}} and {{ga|May}} and {{ga|Dawn}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pronunciation? ==

I know this is a bit daft, but how do you pronounce Kotone's name? Is it KO-toan, ko-TOAN-ee or ko-TOAN-ay? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:I have no idea myself, but I've been pronouncing it "Koh-toe-nee". [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's "Koh-toh-neh". →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::According to Marriland and his videos, Its "Koh-toh-nay"[[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 21:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I have been saying it as Ko-tone(tone as in monotone)[[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 15:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Check your Japanese, then. Ko-to-ne. コトネ. コ (ko) ト (to) ネ (ne). Hiragana and katakana are syllabic script, kanji is logographic. Unlike rōmaji, of course, which we use (Roman characters), which are... letters. The only single-letter syllables in Japanese are ア/あ(a), イ/い (i), ウ/う (u), エ/え (e), オ/お (o), and ン/ん (n); all others are transliterated as more than one letter (at most three). Anything that's not hiragana, katakana, or rōmaji is kanji... and for that... well, that requires memorization, considering each can have ''several'' pronunciations and thus several romanizations. Now let's let 琴音 continue her journey in 城都 (way to go copy/paste from the {{wp|list of jōyō kanji}}). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Kotone in japan. ==

This may be a stupid question but, don't you think Kotone is just her japenese name? Lunick v sonela 07:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... yeah. It's only in the infobox because it looks better than a blank. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
::No I mean won't they call her something else when they get to english speaking contries. Lunick v sonela 08:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Most likely, yes, she will have an English name just like every other character. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I maybe new here, but I've done a lot of research before. We know that Kotone means harp; lute, sound, right?
So, here's a quick detour of past names. 1st: When Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire were released in Japan, May's japanese name reveiled as Haruka which means spring/flowers, of course, in Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, there was a twin trainer at the bug gym that had names of Amy and MAY, but by the time R/S/E were in USA, another clue was reveiled within the game that, when D/P came out in Japan, Dawn's name in japanese means light, so in the 3rd generation R/S/E, there was a Swimmer (Female) by Regice's chamber named DAWN, now that D/P/Plat. came out, yet another well played clue hides in the game. With HGSS coming out in Japan, we hear this new trainer named Kotone, which means, like I said, harp, lute; sound. Now here's where my prediction comes in. One of you meantioned a japanese friend saying Kotone means Soul, but you're all close! What is the only thing that has a soul? The answer is Angels! What names have the word Angel in it? Two of them: Angelica, which has too many letters in it, and Angela, which has all 7 spaces filled, but where does this have to do with the 2nd/3rd generation? Answer: In the Eterna City Gym, a Aroma Lady had the name ANGELA!
Conclusion: By looking in the games of the past, there will be clues. It happened the same in R/S when they talked about Kanto and they made FR/LG, and in D/P/Plat, they meantioned a few things about Johto, which made HGSS.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Poke.trainer.1}} ([[User talk:Poke.trainer.1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Poke.trainer.1|contribs]]) ''
:Erm... let's wait 'til it comes out for the English name.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 22:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'll wait too. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 13:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Those Trainer Names from previous generations are a coincidence. I wouldn't believe them. It's a very far-fetched and naive theory. We must wait. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It's like saying that her name will be something like Sonora or Melody simply because they follow the HGSS sound-based naming conventions. Also "Angela" has six letters in it, not seven. ...Yeah that's not the point of this discussion, but hey. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 14:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Something has to be put in there, so until the english name comes out keep it there.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 23:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Yes, I'm new, but ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:HGSS_Kotone_Pokéthlon_Jersey.png - This ain't fan art, and I uploaded it, but I can't seem to edit the page and add it. Meh well. Same case with http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:HGSS_Hibiki_Pokéthlon_Jersey.png . -- [[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 05:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:Gold/Hibiki's page is locked, so only admins can edit it. As for Kotone's, it's set so only "established users" can edit it, whatever that means. :P I can add the Kotone sprite if you'd like... where in the game is it from, exactly? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'd tell you to read the description, but I have to consider that I'm not the only lazy one. Anyway, it's their Pokéthlon sprites from HeartGold/SoulSilver. -- [[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 05:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Anime counterpart only? ==

"Due to the recent release of the games, no more counterparts for Kotone in other media have currently been released."

I do believe I saw a scan of her in some manga. Anyone want to look into that? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:From what I've read, the artwork your thinking of is of [[Crystal (Special)|Crystal]] [[User:ShinyPikachu/Petition|Never Give Up]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
::No...there was a scan of her in some manga...I think that's where we first saw her name. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 21:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, what Sketch said. This is the pic
:::http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9950/400760.jpg
:::--[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:::That scan is from a one-shot manga called ''Pocket Monsters HeartGold SoulSilver - Go! Go! Pokethlon'' by Ihara Shigekatsu and Hibiki also showed up in that manga, except his name was Takashi. It was released before the actual game, so I can see why Ihara named accidently named him that instead. Of course, it could be like Mistumi's and Hareta's situations.--[[User:Raine|Raine]] 19:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Do we know for sure that Hibiki/Kotone didn't take the third starter? ==
In the trivia section, it says Kotone is the only pseudo rival not to have a starter. (I'm wondering why it's not on Hibiki's page.) However, early in the game, they are seen with a different Pokemon, Zubat, so Marill isn't their only Pokemon not to mention later in the game the player sees thast the third starter is gone and asks him/herself said question. They could of taken the third starter, Marill might just be their first Pokemon in their party and we know that they have more than one Pokemon, so it's possible.
:Unless they are actually seen WITH the starter, it is speculation and it will not go in the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 16:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
::There's still a Poké Ball in Elm's lab, so it's pretty likely that Kotone/Hibiki doesn't have one of the actual Johto starters. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:::No, no Tina...the Poké Ball disappears...but we don't know where to. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 16:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ooooh... heh. Japanese is a little lackluster. <_<; Assumed that it said something about a Poké Ball still being in there. HUR DISREGARD THAT. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

==Protection Next Week?==

Well, [[DP143]] is airing stateside next week, in which [[Kotone (anime)|Kotone]] will appear in the show. I was thinking that maybe this article should be protected next week since we won't know 100% if the name given to the anime version will be the same as the games. I mean sure there's really no reason they wouldn't be the same, but just in case maybe? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 13:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that it's pretty much guaranteed that the anime name used for her will be the same as the game one, but we're not moving the game one ''or'' {{ga|Gold}} until March 15. Because we'll be sure then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

==English name==
It has been stated on Serebii.net that her english name is Lyra, but you guys are going to wait until its offically revealed, right? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:Indeed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::Where did Serebii ever say that was her name? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It's on their front page. Pokemon.com says it too. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It didn't say it when this was posted. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Lol, yeah it did, I'm not psychic. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not on my computer. I refreshed like 5 times and nothing new was posted. Anyway, why is the official site distrusted so much. It's the official site and they have never been wrong about an English name. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think sometimes it gives out not false, but information with errors in it. I couldn't give you any example though. Well, I could if I really wanted to look, but sometimes in the naming of the episodes. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::Just wait for the episode to air... it's just easier. And although it's been the trend for the past forever, her anime name is not neccesarily her game name anyways. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::You're wrong about not making a mistake about an English name. [[Roman]] and [[Kylie]] had different names in their synopsis. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Wow, two in a line of hundreds. Doesn't make the '''official''' site untrustworthy. Not to mention I changed Marcus's guide to his dub name when the Movie 12 site launched and no admin changed it back. I don't see why this has to be different. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I personally think the Pokémon website is credible enough, however, the rule is we have to wait until the episode airs, especially because she's such a high-profile character. The page won't explode if it doesn't move for five days :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I realize that. It's just stupid that the admins don't trust the official site, except for rare circumstances. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 07:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's not false. It's the correct name. Don't be ignorant. If Pokemon.com says it then that's an official source saying it. You can't trust an official source one time and then not another. Life doesn't work like that --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 08:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with Serebii. Her anime name IS Lyra, and Kotone (anime) SHOULD be renamed Lyra (anime). Or possibly just "Lyra", as we don't know if that'll be her name in the games. If it turns out to be wrong, it can be changed again, right? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 11:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::OMG... It's been like this for years now. You know the drill. Why are you all whining about this? And Serebii, we're not being ignorant. We just don't want to change names everywhere in case it turns out wrong. Pokemon.com has been wrong before. Just wait until Saturday. It's not a big deal. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 16:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Because its a stupid rule. Official site is an official source. They've been wrong a couple times, doesn't mean it's untrustworthy. Not to mention they've never given wrong names to characters. All of those have been done by CN. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Lol, omg u guys. Just wait 4 days, it's not the end of the world. Don't forget, Pokemon.com got [[Ada]]'s name wrong, calling her Audrey. And also, [[Kylie]], [[Roman]], and [[Thatcher]] as well. So just calm down, and wait. Bulbapedia has rules that we have to follow. No exceptions. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::If everyone's going to make such a big stink of it, how about something like this as a compromise? In the trivia section:
::::::::On February 1, 2010, Pokémon.com announced the name of her anime counterpart to be Lyra, but as of {{#time: F j, Y}} is the only official source to have done so.
:::::::[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That would be alright, but you'd have to do it to Hibiki/Ethan/Gold, and the rocket admins as well for people to stop complaining? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::They're a different story, because so far as I know they haven't been announced by any official source yet, have they? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes they have, they announced their names on serebii, and the same debate is going on on Gold's page as well. I dunno about Team Rocket's, i don't have them on my watchlist. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Serebii's not an official source. And although he must have gotten the names from somewhere, that somewhere might not be an official source either. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Lol, which brings us right back to the top of the discussion again. I think it is a good idea to put it on the trivia, do what you want to do, Umeko, kay? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It should be in the trivia section of the anime character, though. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 22:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I couldn't edit it in even if I wanted. Talk to an admin about it, not me. \o/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 23:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::No trivia section. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, Bulbapedia may have it's rules, but not trusting the official source for one confirmed mistake doesn't make them untrustworthy. They could have easily changed their minds about character names just like they did with the episode titles [[EP070]] and [[DP091]]. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:They could change their minds again. Nothing's stopping them. They could make her Jeena and Gold Rick by March 14, though likely the games are 99.9% ready to go at this point in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== Korean Name ==

Because of page block I can't put it. It's 금선 ''Geumseon''. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 10:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== The name's Lyra ==

Yup. It is. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 01:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Do people not read the talk page at all before posting? We ''just'' talked about this. :/ It's not going on the page before the game's released. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 01:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::That's totally unfair! I'm going to ask TPCI whether or not they're naming her Lyra. ''Then'' you will have ''concrete'' proof! [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 14:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Nope. We're still going to wait a month for HGSS to be released in English. That's just our policy. :| ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone going to atleast put that the animé counterpart's name is Lyra? At the moment it says she has the same name as her - and we're still calling game-Kotone Kotone. :S [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 11:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Just saying, the new demos for the English release are out and the pokegear phonebook lists the name as Lyra. If that's not confirmation I do not know what is. --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 08:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKzP7-h62E

Watch it. On the phone list it has her name. It's Lyra. Watch in full screen if you have to. That confirms her name as Lyra 100%. You cannot change her name like you can Silver's, so Lyra is the official name. ~~{{unsigned|Ksemanr}}
: Lyra also appears as her name in a German demo posted on Filb. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 05:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Name Changing ==

shouldn't we change all of her names to Lyra instead of leaving them as kotone. {{u|Eevee obsessed 008}}
:[[#English name|We've talked about this]] in [[#The name's Lyra|Two sections already]]. Until HGSS releases in English, she's staying Kotone. While it's highly unlikely that the name won't be different from her {{an|Lyra|anime counterpart}}, the English localizing team still could change something. We're not going to jump the gun. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The english rom has been dumped and it says Lyra.

== Kotone's Korean name ==

It means "String of a harp". 금 → a type of harp (I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a koto) and 선 → string. So that ties into her Japanese name. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 00:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:If I could, I'd also add the Hanja: 琴線 (as we have Kanji for Japanese explanation). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==
Both Kotone's and Gold's HG/SS artwork are holding one normal pokéball and Pokédex. Shouldn't this be in trivia?--[[User:Banetoid|Banetoid]] 05:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:How is that trivia at all?[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 09:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even a Pokédex, that's a Pokégear. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

== Is it noteworthy? ==

Should it be noted in trivia that Lyra's name is 3 letters away Crystal, the game of which her predecessor debuted? [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 23:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:Hm... I'd say it isn't notable. It's likely a total coincidence. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== I can't get proof but my game lied ==

Lyra phoned my player character and said her maril had evolved, but then I visited her house and it hadn't, has this happend to anyone else? [[User:Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User Talk:Vespitomb|tomb>]] 09:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:It has happened to numerous people, most famously TTEchidna was the one that brought it to my attention. I don't know exactly why she does this it could be a translation error or something else. -'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 09:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::It happened to me multiple times in the same game, probably something the creators over looked, or She (or he if you choose the female character) has multiple Marill.--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 06:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Hibiki has never called me with such news. He just tells me a bunch of other bullshit. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 06:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Zubat? ==

Someone said that early on Lyra is seen with one. Where and when? --[[User:Swampert rox|'''Swampert''']][[User talk:Swampert rox|'''rox''']] 17:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Kris is Lyra ==

Just thought you oughta know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, that's a really great way to open up a discussion on the matter, TTE. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 06:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Aren't they supposed to be different characters of different generations?--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 06:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Only as much as {{ga|Red}} isn't the same guy in RGBY GSC FRLG HGSS... and he damn well is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Please, TTE. Adventures giving Crystal Lyra's clothes is no proof that they were ever intended to be the same person. They just didn't bother creating a new, similar character (and they couldn't just remove Crystal). Oh, if you have any other reason to believe they're the same, please tell us about it. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 06:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Persons interested in this discussion may wish to see also [[Talk:Kris (game)]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::FireMeowth, {{ga|Leaf}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Like I said on Kris's page, just because they're the same in the manga does not make them the same in the games. If you're using the manga as proof for them being in-game the same, then the anime is equal proof that they're different in-game.
:::::And Leaf at least had the same hair color. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Take Kris's sprite with Gold's palette in Gen II. HEY LOOK, HI LYRA. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But it was ''never confirmed.'' You can vouch similarities all you want, but confirmation is something you don't have. MangaKris=/=GameKris, and thus Kris=Lyra is not set in stone like you're claiming it to be.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::How about this? Leaf isn't Green's counterpart either, despite the fact that Green wears Leaf's clothes in the Adventures chapter on ''her saga's'' remakes. If Crystal is Lyra's Adventures counterpart, then Lyra is obviously intended to be a redesign of Kris, much as Leaf is intended to be a redesign of the unreleased Gen I female player character. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:If that was the case, then Lyra and Marina would be the same person too. Which they're not. It's simply Kris dressed in Lyra's clothing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::Right. She's the same in the manga, so what? If you're using that as an argument for the ''game'' versions being the same, then the anime is just as legitimate an argument for them being different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::How does the manga characters being the same mean that the game characters were "obviously" intended to be the same? They are made by completely different people, and the official Pokemon company has no say in what Pokemon Adventures does. If some other manga spin off said Pearl and Wally are the same people, would you merge them? Just because Tajiri endorsed it many years ago does not mean everything in it is cannon. So everything you are saying about "Kris+Gold=Lyra" and whatnot is just speculation and is very unprofessional. You can't merge the game characters pages just because a third party manga said they are the same. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 02:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Can we take out the piece of trivia "Previously to the announcement of Lyra's name on September 6th, 2009's episode of Pokémon Sunday, she was seen by many fans as an updated form of Kris, rather than a new character."? While I'm not going to argue that I still think they could be the same, they "changed" Gold to Hibiki so the Kotone announcement shouldn't be of importance. Takao Unno's comments or her separate anime counterpart might define her a new character, but not revelation of the name Kotone, since Hibiki had a name change as well. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 22:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:So are you saying remove it because the name announcement had nothing to do with being a new character, as Gold was renamed too? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::We should probably leave it in, though. I think it's more getting at how everyone was so butthurt that Kotone wasn't a super redesigned Kris. Gold/Hibiki is just a name change, most people accept them as the same character. Kotone and Kris are definitely different. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Then can we change it to the revelation of her separate anime counterpart? It just feels weird considering Hibiki was revealed to have a different name, but that doesn't make him a new character. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 04:41, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Azumarill? ==

During a phone call in HG/SS, Lyra tells the player that her Marill has evolved. --[[User:Sir Gallade|Sir Gallade, The Psy Swordsman §]] 12:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I've gotten that call multiple times. It's never true. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Does it only say that her Marill has evolved? Because she could have multiple Marill. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't you think she could have stopped it from evolving? I can't remember exactly, but I think that call says "I saw Marill evolving into Azumarill! I was so surprised!" If you think about it, she could have seen it, then recoiled in horror at the thought of her beloved partner changing, and then stopped it! I think it's plausible. [[User:Soul of Dawn|Soul of Dawn]] 15:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lyra's height and weight ==
Do to the fact in [[Lucas]], [[Dawn]], & [[Ethan|Ethan's]] Trivia it has there height and weight why not put hers "4'11" (125) & 90.4 (41 kg)" seeing as her page can't be edited right now.[[User:Lamarfll|Lamarfll]] 19:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:All done. Seems someone must've forgotten to put it in. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 20:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Name==

Lyra's name came from the constelation Lyra! {{u|Wildgoose}} December 17 2011 6:20 pm ET
:Name origin is for why the name was chosen, not the etymology of the name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

== When called from certain locations ==

Could someone expand that piece of information?
It doesn't really say much and whilst what Lyra says in-game seems pretty obvious (take X PKMN to Route Y for something "interesting"), I have taken my Poliwag to Route 40 and nothing happens. At all. Beach or surfing. [[User:Checker|Checker]] ([[User talk:Checker|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Pokéleathon sprite? ==

I've noticed that the caption for the overworld sprite for the Pokéleathon states that it is 'unused'. This greatly confuses me, for I have seen that sprite ingame, as Lyra enters the back room to start the competition. Could someone explain, please? [[User:IIWinterbreezeII|IIWinterbreezeII]] ([[User talk:IIWinterbreezeII|talk]]) 00:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

== Height and Weight in Infobox? ==

Perhaps not the most appropriate place to propose this, but should we maybe place characters' height and weight in their infoboxes, rather than their trivia section? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Lyra (game)

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Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection

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{{CDInfobox|
name=Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection |
subtitled=ニンテンドーDS ポケモンブラック・ホワイトスーパーミュージックコレクション |
image=Pokémon Black Pokémon White Super Music Collection.png |
image_size=250 |
caption=English CD front cover artwork, featuring {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} |
date=October 20, 2010 (Japan) April 8, 2014 (iTunes) |
by=[[Pikachu Records]] and Media Factory|
catalogue_number=ZMCP-5919 |
tracks=173 |
colorscheme=BW}}

'''Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection''' (Japanese: '''ニンテンドーDS ポケモンブラック・ホワイトスーパーミュージックコレクション''' ''Nintendo DS Pokémon Black ・White Super Music Collection'') is the official soundtrack release for {{game|Black and White|s}}. It was released on October 20, 2010 in Japan, and recieved an international release on iTunes on April 8, 2014.

[[Shota Kageyama]], [[Junichi Masuda]], [[Hitomi Satō]], [[Gō Ichinose]], [[Morikazu Aoki]], Minako Adachi, and [[Satoshi Nohara]] are credited as composers. The music is arranged by Shota Kageyama, Hitomi Satō, Gō Ichinose, and Minako Adachi.

The soundtrack is divided into four discs, featuring [[Ken Sugimori]] art of {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}}. The CD booklet features Q&A with Game Freak Sound Team (Junichi Masuda, Shota Kageyama, Gō Ichinose, Hitomi Satō, and Minako Adachi) and general information on the tracks included, and is illustrated with various stills from the games and Ken Sugimori art of characters found in the games.

==Tracklist==
English titles are from the official English iTunes release. Japanese titles, composer and arranger are confirmed from the official booklet of Japanese physical release "Nintendo DS Pokémon Black & White Super Music Collection".

===Disc 1===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|BW}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|BW}}"
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese CD)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| 1
| 王になった日
| Coronation Day
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| 2
| A New Adventure！
| A New Adventure!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| 3
| タイトル
| Title Screen
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| 4
| いざ、冒険へ！
| Onward to Adventure!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| 5
| はじまりの日
| A Day of Beginnings
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 6
| 6
| カノコタウン
| Nuvema Town
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 7
| 7
| 戦闘！チェレン・ベル
| Battle! (Cheren/Bianca)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 8
|
| 連れて行く1
| Hurry Along 1
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 9
| 9
| アララギ博士
| Professor Juniper
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 10
| 10
| ポケモン研究所
| Juniper Pokémon Lab
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 11
| 11
| たいせつな道具をもらった！
| Obtained a Key Item!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 12
| 12
| いっしょに行こう！
| Let's Go Together!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 13
| 13
| 1番道路
| Route 1
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 14
| 14
| 戦闘！野生ポケモン
| Battle! (Wild Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 15
| 15
| 野生ポケモンに勝利！
| Victory! (Wild Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 16
| 16
| レベルアップ！
| Level Up!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 17
| 17
| カラクサタウン
| Accumula Town
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 18
| 18
| 連れて行く2
| Hurry Along 2
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 19
| 19
| ポケモンセンター
| Pokémon Center
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 20
| 20
| 回復
| Pokémon Healed
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 21
| 21
| 図鑑評価…これから！
| Pokédex Evaluation... You've Just Begun!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 22
| 22
| 暗躍、プラズマ団
| Team Plasma Plots
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 23
| 23
| 2番道路 (春～夏)
| Route 2 (Spring/Summer)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 24
| 24
| ライブキャスター
| Xtransceiver
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 25
| 25
| 視線！たんぱんこぞう
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Youngster)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 26
| 26
| 戦闘！トレーナー
| Battle! (Trainer Battle)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 27
| 27
| トレーナーに勝利！
| Victory! (Trainer Battle)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 28
| 28
| 視線！ミニスカート
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Lass)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 29
| 29
| 道具を手に入れた！
| Obtained an Item!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 30
| 30
| サンヨウシティ
| Striaton City
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 31
| 31
| 図鑑評価…まだまだ
| Pokédex Evaluation... You're on Your Way!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 32
| 32
| 夢の跡地
| The Dreamyard
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 33
| 33
| プラズマ団あらわる！
| Team Plasma Appears!
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 34
| 34
| 戦闘！プラズマ団
| Battle! (Team Plasma)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 35
| 35
| プラズマ団に勝利！
| Victory! (Team Plasma)
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 36
| 36
| 進化
| Evolution
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 37
| 37
| 進化おめでとう！
| Congratulations! Your Pokémon Evolved!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 38
| 38
| 視線！ふたごちゃん
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Twins)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 39
| 39
| チェレンのテーマ
| Cheren's Theme
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 40
| 40
| トラブル発生！
| There's Trouble!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 41
| 41
| シッポウシティ
| Nacrene City
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 42
| 42
| 図鑑評価…がんばって！
| Pokédex Evaluation... Keep at It!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 43
| 43
| ジム
| Pokémon Gym
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 44
| 44
| 戦闘！ジムリーダー
| Battle! (Gym Leader)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 45
| 45
| 勝利は目の前！
| Victory Lies Before You!
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 46
| 46
| ジムリーダーに勝利！
| Victory! (Gym Leader)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 47
| 47
| リーグバッジをもらった！
| Received a League Gym Badge
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 48
| 48
| わざマシンを手に入れた！
| Obtained a TM!
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 49
| 49
| ゲート
| Gate
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 50
| 50
| スカイアローブリッジ
| Skyarrow Bridge
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 51
| 51
| ヒウンシティ
| Castelia City
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 52
| 52
| 視線！ビジネスマン
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Clerk ♂)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 53
| 53
| 4番道路 (春)
| Route 4 (Spring)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 54
| 54
| 視線！バックパッカー
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Backpacker)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 55
| 55
| ライモンシティ
| Nimbasa City
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 56
| 56
| ベルのテーマ
| Bianca's Theme
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 57
| 57
| 揺れぬ想い
| An Unwavering Heart
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 58
| 58
| 数式に囚われた者
| Prisoner to a Formula
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 59
| 59
| 戦闘！N
| Battle! (N)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 60
| 60
| 戦闘でピンチ！
| A Tight Spot During Battle!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 61
| 61
| じてんしゃ
| Bicycle
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 62
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 62
| style="background:#fff" | チャンピオンアデク
| style="background:#fff" | Champion Alder
| style="background:#fff" | Shota Kageyama
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Shota Kageyama
|}

===Disc 2===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|BW}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|BW}}"
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese CD)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| 63
| ホドモエの跳ね橋
| Driftveil Drawbridge
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| 64
| ホドモエシティ
| Driftveil City
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| 65
| 冷凍コンテナ
| Cold Storage
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| 66
| 6番道路 (春～夏)
| Route 6 (Spring/Summer)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| 67
| 視線！パラソルおねいさん
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Parasol Lady)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 6
| 68
| 視線！けんきゅういん
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Scientist)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 7
| 69
| 電気石の洞窟
| Chargestone Cave
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 8
| 70
| フキヨセシティ
| Mistralton City
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 9
| 71
| アララギパパ
| Cedric Juniper
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 10
| 72
| 図鑑評価…なかなか
| Pokédex Evaluation... Not Bad!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 11
| 73
| わざわすれ
| Move Deleted
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 12
| 74
| 視線！サイキッカー
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Psychic)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 13
| 75
| セッカシティ
| Icirrus City
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 14
| 76
| リュウラセンの塔
| Dragonspiral Tower
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 15
| 77
| 視線！プラズマ団
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Team Plasma)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 16
| 78
| リュウラセンの塔最上階
| Dragonspiral Tower Top Floor
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 17
| 79
| 4番道路 (夏)
| Route 4 (Summer)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 18
| 80
| 古代の城
| Relic Castle
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 19
| 81
| ライトストーン・ダークストーン
| Light Stone/Dark Stone
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 20
| 82
| シリンダーブリッジ
| Tubeline Bridge
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 21
| 83
| ショッピングモール R9
| Shopping Mall Nine
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 22
| 84
| 視線！スキンヘッズ
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Roughneck)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 23
| 85
| ソウリュウシティ (ブラック)
| Opelucid City (Pokémon Black)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 24
| 86
| ソウリュウシティ (ホワイト)
| Opelucid City (Pokémon White)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 25
| 87
| 10番道路
| Route 10
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 26
| 88
| チャンピオンロード
| Victory Road
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 27
| 89
| 視線！エリートトレーナー
| Trainers' Eye Meet (Ace Trainer)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 28
| 90
| ポケモンリーグ
| The Pokémon League
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 29
| 91
| 戦闘！四天王
| Battle! (Elite Four)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 30
| 92
| ポケモンリーグ、包囲
| The Pokémon League Besieged!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 31
| 93
| 使命を抱いて
| Embracing One's Duty
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 32
| 94
| Nの城
| N's Castle
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 33
| 95
| ポケモンの子、N
| The Pokémon Child, N
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 34
| 96
| Nのドラゴン
| N's Dragon
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 35
| 97
| ドラゴン覚醒
| The Dragon Awakes
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 36
| 98
| 戦闘！ゼクロム・レシラム
| Battle! (Reshiram/Zekrom)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 37
| 99
| 決戦！N
| Decisive Battle! (N)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 38
| 100
| ゲーチスの野望
| Ghetsis' Ambitions
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 39
| 101
| 戦闘！ゲーチス
| Battle! (Ghetsis)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 40
| 102
| サヨナラ
| Farewell
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 41
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 103
| style="background:#fff" | ENDING～それぞれの未来へ～
| style="background:#fff" | Ending "Onward to Our Own Futures"
| style="background:#fff" | Shota Kageyama
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Shota Kageyama
|}

===Disc 3===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|BW}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|BW}}"
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese CD)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| 104
| ハンサムのテーマ
| Looker's Theme
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| 105
| 2番道路 (秋～冬)
| Route 2 (Autumn/Winter)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| 106
| ポケモンのタマゴをもらった！
| Received a Pokémon Egg!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| 107
| 遊覧船ロイヤルイッシュ号
| The Royal Unova
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| 108
| Wi-Fi 接続
| Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection
| Go Ichinose Hitomi Sato
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 6
| 109
| グローバルターミナル
| Global Terminal
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 7
| 110
| GTS
| Gts
| Go Ichinose Hitomi Sato
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 8
| 111
| ぐるぐる交換
| Spin Trade
| Hitomi Sato
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 9
| 112
| 図鑑評価…あと一歩！
| Pokédex Evaluation... Just a Little More!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 10
| 113
| 4番道路 (秋)
| Route 4 (Autumn)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 11
| 114
| ギアステーション
| Gear Station
| Morikazu Aoki
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 12
| 115
| バトルサブウェイ
| The Battle Subway
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 13
| 116
| 戦闘！バトルサブウェイトレーナー
| Battle! (Battle Subway Trainer)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 14
| 117
| BPをもらった！
| Received BP!
| Satoshi Nohara
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 15
| 118
| ミュージカルホール
| Musical Theater
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 16
| 119
| グッズを手に入れた！
| Received Props!
| Hitomi Sato
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 17
| 120
| グッズでドレスアップ！
| Dress Up with Props
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 18
| 121
| ミュージカル開幕！
| The Curtain for the Musical Rises!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 19
| 122
| ミュージカル「Stardom！」
| Musical: "Stardom"
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 20
| 123
| ミュージカル「もりでおさんぽ」
| Musical: "Forest Stroll"
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 21
| 124
| ミュージカル「イブニングパーティ」
| Musical: "A Sweet Soirée"
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 22
| 125
| ミュージカル「じょうねつのライモン」
| Musical: "Exciting Nimbasa"
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 23
| 126
| ふたりで観覧車
| A Ferris Wheel Ride Together
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 24
| 127
| フィーリングチェック！
| Feeling Check
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 25
| 128
| フィーリングは最高！
| Feeling Check: Perfect!
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 26
| 129
| フィーリングはなかなか
| Feeling Check: Getting Close
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 27
| 130
| フィーリングはいまいち？
| Feeling Check: Lukewarm
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|- style="background:#fff"
| 28
| 131
| 6番道路 (秋～冬)
| Route 6 (Autumn/Winter)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 29
| 132
| 戦闘！伝説のポケモン
| Battle! (Legendary Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 30
| 133
| カナワタウン
| Anville Town
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 31
| 134
| ワンダーブリッジ
| Marvelous Bridge
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 32
| 135
| 12番道路 (春～夏)
| Route 12 (Spring/Summer)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 33
| 136
| 視線！サイクリング
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Cyclist)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 34
| 137
| シフトファクトリー
| Poké Transfer Lab
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 35
| 138
| ポケシフター：ポケモンを選ぼう！
| Poké Transfer: Choose Your Pokémon!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 36
| 139
| ポケシフター：ポケモンを捕まえろ！
| Poké Transfer: Catch Your Pokémon!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 37
| 140
| 視線！だいすきクラブ
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Pokéfan)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 38
| 141
| ブラックシティ
| Black City
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 39
| 142
| ホワイトフォレスト
| White Forest
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 40
| 143
| ゲームシンク
| Game Sync
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 41
| 144
| ハイリンク
| Entralink
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 42
| 145
| ハイリンクでミッション開始！
| Begin an Entralink Mission!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 43
| 146
| 誰かのハイリンク
| Someone's Entralink
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 44
| 147
| ミッション成功！
| Mission Accomplished!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 45
| 148
| ミッション失敗…
| Mission Failed!
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 46
| 149
| 視線！ジェントルマン
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Gentleman)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 47
| 150
| サザナミタウン (秋～春)
| Undella Town (Autumn/Winter/Spring)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 48
| 151
| サザナミタウン (夏)
| Undella Town (Summer)
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 49
| 152
| シロナのテーマ
| Cynthia's Theme
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 50
| 153
| 戦闘！シロナ
| Battle! (Cynthia)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 51
| 154
| 迷いの森
| Lostlorn Forest
| Minako Adachi
| Minako Adachi
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 52
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 155
| style="background:#fff" | 戦闘！強い野生ポケモン
| style="background:#fff" | Battle! (Strong Wild Pokémon)
| style="background:#fff" | Junichi Masuda
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Go Ichinose
|}

===Disc 4===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|BW}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|BW}}"
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese CD)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| 156
| なみのり
| Surf
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| 157
| 海底遺跡
| Abyssal Ruins
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| 158
| 12番道路 (秋～冬)
| Route 12 (Autumn/Winter)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| 159
| カゴメタウン
| Lacunosa Town
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| 160
| ビレッジブリッジ
| Village Bridge
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 6
| 161
| 不思議なおくりもの
| Mystery Gift
| Hitomi Sato
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 7
| 162
| 4番道路 (冬)
| Route 4 (Winter)
| Junichi Masuda
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 8
| 163
| バトル大会への挑戦
| Challenging a Battle Competition
| Shota Kageyama
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 9
| 164
| ロケット団！？
| Team Rocket!?
| Go Ichinose
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 10
| 165
| 戦闘！キュレム
| Battle! (Kyurem)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 11
| 166
| 図鑑評価…完璧！
| Pokédex Evaluation... It's Perfect!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Shota Kageyama
|- style="background:#fff"
| 12
| 167
| 戦闘！チャンピオン
| Battle! (Champion)
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|- style="background:#fff"
| 13
| 168
| チャンピオンに勝利！
| Victory! (Champion)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 14
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 169
| style="background:#fff" | 殿堂入りおめでとう！
| style="background:#fff" | Congratulations on Entering the Hall of Fame!
| style="background:#fff" | Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Minako Adachi
|}

====Bonus Tracks====
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|BW}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|BW}}"
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese CD)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|- style="background:#fff"
| 15
| 170
| Summer in Kagome
| Summer in Lacunosa
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|- style="background:#fff"
| 16
| 171
| Lullaby for Trains
| A Lullaby for Trains
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose (Flute: Yasunaga Hiromi)
|- style="background:#fff"
| 17
| 172
| LAST BATTLE -N^n mix-
| Final Battle! (N Remix)
| Junichi Masuda
| Minako Adachi (Guitar: Nobuo Kiyota)
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 18
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 173
| style="background:#fff" | sayonara -refrain-
| style="background:#fff" | Farewell (Refrain)
| style="background:#fff" | Shota Kageyama
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Shota Kageyama (Piano: Shota Kageyama)
|}

==Gallery==
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background={{colorschemelight|BW}} |
border={{colorschemedark|BW}} |
image1=BW Super Music Collection.png|
caption1=Japanese CD front cover artwork, featuring {{p|Reshiram}} |
}}

==External links==
{{bulbanews|Pokémon game soundtracks available on iTunes}}
* [https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/pokemon-black-pokemon-white/id839750839 Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection] listing on iTunes (English)

{{English CDs}}
{{Japanese CDs}}
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{{Project Music notice}}

[[Category:Game soundtracks]]
[[Category:Pokémon Black and White|*]]
[[Category:Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|*]]

Talk:Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection

2014-03-20T06:10:48Z

ArtistKyurem: Created page with " == English Album Art == The current album art is Japanese. We have the English one here: File:Pokémon Diamond Pokémon Pearl Super Music Collection.png It is too small;..."

== English Album Art ==

The current album art is Japanese. We have the English one here:
[[File:Pokémon Diamond Pokémon Pearl Super Music Collection.png]]
It is too small; 170x170. There`s a bigger one at iTunes; 255x255. I'm apparently not autoconfirmed on Archives, so if someone could upload it, that'd be great.
[http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Music6/v4/3c/8d/1f/3c8d1f0b-c6ed-4e84-0ff9-624797b26fc3/859711583117_cover.255x255-75.jpg]
Still really small. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 06:10, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection

2014-03-20T05:46:09Z

ArtistKyurem:

{{CDInfobox|
name=Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection |
subtitled=ニンテンドーDS ポケモンダイヤモンド&パールスーパーミュージックコレクション |
image=CD DP.jpg|
image_size=200 |
caption=CD cover art featuring {{p|Dialga}} |
date=December 22, 2006 March 11, 2014 (iTunes)|
by=[[The Pokémon Company]] and [[Media Factory]] |
catalogue_number=ZMCP-3242 |
tracks=149 |
colorscheme=Sinnoh}}

'''Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection''' (Japanese: '''ニンテンドーDS ポケモンダイヤモンド&パールスーパーミュージックコレクション''' ''Nintendo DS Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection'') is the official soundtrack release for [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions]]. It was released on December 22, 2006, later receiving an English {{wp|iTunes Store|iTunes}} release on March 11, 2014.

==Tracklist==
English titles are from the official English iTunes release. Japanese titles, composer and arranger are confirmed from the official booklet of Japanese physical release "Nintendo DS Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection".

===Disc 1===
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!colspan="6"|Disc 1
|-
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|-
| 1
| 1
| オープニングデモ
| Opening Movie
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 2
| 2
| オープニング
| Introduction
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 3
| 3
| とくべつばんぐみ「あかいギャラドスをおえ！」
| Special Report: "Search for the Red Gyarados!"
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 4
| 4
| フタバタウン (昼)
| Twinleaf Town (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 5
| 5
| ライバル
| Rival
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 6
| 6
| 201ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 201 (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 7
| 7
| みずうみ
| Lake
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 8
| 8
| 湖でハプニング！
| A Suprise at the Lake!
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 9
| 9
| 戦闘！野生ポケモン
| Battle! (Wild Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 10
| 10
| 野生ポケモンに勝利！
| Victory! (Wild Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 11
| 11
| ヒカリ
| Dawn
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 12
| 12
| どうぐゲット
| Obtained an Item!
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 13
| 13
| マサゴタウン (昼)
| Sandgem Town (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 14
| 14
| けんきゅうじょ
| The Pokémon Lab
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 15
| 15
| 連れて行く
| Hurry Along
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 16
| 16
| ポケモンセンター (昼)
| Pokémon Center (Day)
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 17
| 17
| 回復
| Pokémon Healed
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 18
| 18
| 視線！たんぱんこぞう
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Youngster)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 19
| 19
| 視線！ミニスカート
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Youngster)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 20
| 20
| 戦闘！トレーナー
| Battle! (Trainer Battle)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 21
| 21
| トレーナーに勝利！
| Victory! (Trainer Battle)
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 22
| 22
| コトブキシティ (昼)
| Jubilife City (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 23
| 23
| たいせつなどうぐゲット
| Obtained a Key Item!
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 24
| 24
| フレンドリィショップ
| Poké Mart
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 25
| 25
| 203ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 203 (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 26
| 26
| 戦闘！ライバル
| Battle! (Rival)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 27
| 27
| クロガネゲート
| Oreburgh Gate
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 28
| 28
| わざマシンゲット
| Obtained a TM!
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 29
| 29
| クロガネシティ (昼)
| Oreburgh City (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 30
| 30
| クロガネたんこう
| Oreburgh Mine
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 31
| 31
| ジム
| Pokémon Gym
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 32
| 32
| 戦闘！ジムリーダー
| Battle! (Gym Leader)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 33
| 33
| ジムリーダーに勝利！
| Victory! (Gym Leader)
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 34
| 34
| バッジゲット
| Obtained a Badge!
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 35
| 35
| 視線！ふたごちゃん
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Twins)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 36
| 36
| レベルアップ
| Level Up!
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 37
| 37
| ソノオタウン (昼)
| Floaroma Town (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 38
| 38
| きのみゲット
| Obtained a Berry!
| Morikazu Aoki
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 39
| 39
| 205ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 205 (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 40
| 40
| ギンガ団登場！
| Team Galactic Appears!
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 41
| 41
| 戦闘！ギンガ団
| Battle! (Team Galactic)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 42
| 42
| ハクタイのもり
| Eterna Forest
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 43
| 43
| 一緒に行こう！
| Let's Go Together!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 44
| 44
| ハクタイシティ (昼)
| Eterna City (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 45
| 45
| ギンガハクタイビル
| Galactic Eterna Building
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 46
| 46
| 戦闘！ギンガ団幹部
| Battle! (Team Galactic Commander)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 47
| 47
| ギンガ団に勝利！
| Victory! (Team Galactic)
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 48
| 48
| 進化
| Evolution
| Junichi Masuda
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 49
| 49
| 進化おめでとう
| Congratulations! Your Pokémon Evolved!
| Junichi Masuda
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 50
| 50
| じてんしゃ
| Bicycle
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 51
| 51
| 視線！サイクリング
| Trainsers' Eyes Meet (Cyclist)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 52
| 52
| 206ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 206 (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 53
| 53
| ヨスガシティ (昼)
| Hearthome City (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 54
| 54
| 209ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 209 (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 55
| 55
| 視線！やまおとこ
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Cyclist)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 56
| 56
| ズイタウン (昼)
| Solaceon Town (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 57
| 57
| ポケッチアプリゲット
| Obtained a Pokétch App!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 58
| 58
| 210ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 210 (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 59
| 59
| トバリシティ (昼)
| Veilstone City (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 60
| 60
| リッシこのほとり (昼)
| Valor Lakefront (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 61
| 61
| ミオシティ (昼)
| Canalave City (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 62
| 62
| 216ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 216 (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 63
| 63
| キッサキシティ (昼)
| Snowpoint City (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 64
| 64
| ギンガ団アジト
| Team Galactic HQ
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 65
| 65
| 戦闘！ギンガ団ボス
| Battle! (Team Galactic Boss)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 66
| 66
| アジトの最奥！！
| Deep Within Team Galactic HQ
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 67
| 67
| テンガンざん
| Mt. Coronet
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 68
| 68
| やりのはしら
| Spear Pillar
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
|-
| 69
| 69
| 伝説ポケモン出現！
| The Legendary Pokémon Appears!
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 70
| 70
| 天変地異！！
| Catastrophe!
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 71
| 71
| 戦闘！ディアルガ・パルキア
| Battle! (Dialga/Palkia)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 72
| 72
| ナギサシティ (昼)
| Sunyshore City (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 73
| 73
| チャンピオンロード
| Victory Road
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 74
| 74
| 視線！エリートトレーナー
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Ace Trainer)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 75
| 75
| ポケモンリーグ (昼)
| Pokémon League (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 76
| 76
| ファイトエリア (昼)
| Fight Area (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 77
| 77
| 225ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 225 (Day)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 78
| 78
| 228ばんどうろ (昼)
| Route 228 (Day)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|}

===Disc 2===
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!colspan="6"|Disc 2
|-
! CD No.
! iTunes No.
! Track Title (Japanese)
! Track Title (iTunes)
! Composer
! Arranger
|-
| 1
| 79
| フタバタウン (夜)
| Twinleaf Town (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 2
| 80
| 201ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 201 (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 3
| 81
| ポケモンセンター (夜)
| Pokémon Center (Night)
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 4
| 82
| Wi-Fi通信
| Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 5
| 83
| マサゴタウン (夜)
| Sandgem Town (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 6
| 84
| コウキ
| Lucas
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 7
| 85
| コトブキシティ (夜)
| Jubilife City
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 8
| 86
| テレビきょく
| TV Station
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 9
| 87
| GTS
| Gts
| Go Ichinose Hitomi Sato
| Go Ichinose Hitomi Sato
|-
| 10
| 88
| なみのり
| Surf
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 11
| 89
| ミオシティ (夜)
| Canalave City (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 12
| 90
| わざ忘れ
| Move Deleted
| Morikazu Aoki
| Morikazu Aoki
|-
| 13
| 91
| 203ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 203 (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 14
| 92
| 視線！からておう
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Black Belt)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 15
| 93
| クロガネシティ (夜)
| Oreburgh City (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 16
| 94
| 205ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 205 (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 17
| 95
| 視線！ふなのり
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Sailor)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 18
| 96
| ハクタイシティ (夜)
| Eterna City (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 19
| 97
| ちかつうろ
| The Underground
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 20
| 98
| ちかでハタをとった！
| Captured a Flag Underground!
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 21
| 99
| 視線！アロマなおねえさん
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Aroma Lady)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 22
| 100
| ソノオタウン (夜)
| Floaroma Town (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 23
| 101
| もりのようかん
| Old Chateau
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 24
| 102
| ズイタウン (夜)
| Solaceon Town (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 25
| 103
| だいしつげん
| Great Marsh
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 26
| 104
| 206ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 206 (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 27
| 105
| 視線！ポケモンコレクター
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Collector)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 28
| 106
| トバリシティ (夜)
| Veilstone City (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 29
| 107
| ゲームコーナー
| Game Corner
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 30
| 108
| スロット当たり
| You're a Winner!
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 31
| 109
| スロット大当たり
| You're a Jackpot Winner!
| Junichi Masuda
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 32
| 110
| 視線！ギャンブラー
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (PI)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 33
| 111
| 209ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 209 (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 34
| 112
| キッサキシティ (夜)
| Snowpoint City (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 35
| 113
| 216ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 216 (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 36
| 114
| みずうみのくうどう
| Lake Caverns
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 37
| 115
| 戦闘！ユクシー・エムリット・アグノム
| Battle! (Azelf/Mesprit/Uxie)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 38
| 116
| 210ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 210 (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 39
| 117
| ポケトレで発見！
| A Poké Radar Hit!
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 40
| 118
| ナギサシティ (夜)
| Sunyshore City (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 41
| 119
| 視線！げいじゅつか
| Trainers' Eyes Meet (Artist)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 42
| 120
| ふれあいひろば
| Amity Square
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 43
| 121
| アクセサリーゲット
| Got an Accessory
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 44
| 122
| ヨスガシティ (夜)
| Hearthome City (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 45
| 123
| コンテスト会場
| Contest Hall
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 46
| 124
| ポフィン
| Poffins
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 47
| 125
| スーパーコンテンスト！
| Super Contest!
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 48
| 126
| コンテスト！ドレスアップ
| Contest: Dress Up
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 49
| 127
| ダンスかんたん
| Dance: Easy
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 50
| 128
| ダンスむずかしい
| Dance: Difficult
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 51
| 129
| コンテスト！結果発表
| Contest: Results Announcement
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 52
| 130
| コンテスト優勝！
| Contest: Winner
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 53
| 131
| 228ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 228 (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 54
| 132
| リッシこのほとり (夜)
| Valor Lakefront (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 55
| 133
| ファイトエリア (夜)
| Fight Area (Night)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 56
| 134
| バトルタワー
| Battle Tower
| Morikazu Aoki
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 57
| 135
| 225ばんどうろ (夜)
| Route 225 (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 58
| 136
| ハードマウンテン
| Stark Mountain
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 59
| 137
| 戦闘！伝説のポケモン
| Battle! (Legendary Pokémon)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 60
| 138
| ふしぎなおくりもの
| Mystery Gift
| Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 61
| 139
| ポケモンリーグ (夜)
| Pokémon League (Night)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 62
| 140
| 決戦！ポケモンリーグ
| Decisive Battle! (Pokémon League)
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 63
| 141
| 四天王登場！
| The Elite Four Appears!
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 64
| 142
| 戦闘！四天王
| Battle! (Elite Four)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 65
| 143
| 四天王に勝利！
| Victory (Elite Four)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 66
| 144
| チャンピオンシロナ
| Champion Cynthia
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 67
| 145
| 戦闘！チャンピオン
| Battle! (Champion)
| Junichi Masuda
| Junichi Masuda
|-
| 68
| 146
| チャンピオンに勝利！
| Victory! (Champion)
| Hitomi Sato
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 69
| 147
| 栄光の部屋
| Hall of Fame
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|-
| 70
| 148
| 殿堂入りおめでとう！
| Congratulations on Entering the Hall of Fame!
| Junichi Masuda Go Ichinose
| Hitomi Sato
|-
| 71
| 149
| エンディング
| Ending Theme
| Go Ichinose
| Go Ichinose
|}

==External links==
{{bulbanews|Diamond, Pearl OST announced}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon game soundtracks available on iTunes}}
{{bulbanews|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection available on iTunes}}
* [https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/pokemon-diamond-pokemon-pearl/id840159297 Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection] listing on iTunes (English)

{{Japanese CDs}}
{{Project Music notice}}
[[Category:Game soundtracks]]
[[Category:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl|*]]
[[Category:Pokémon Platinum|*]]

[[de:Nintendo DS Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection (CD)]]
[[es:Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection]]
[[ja:ニンテンドーDS ポケモンダイヤモンド・パールスーパーミュージックコレクション]]
[[zh:任天堂DS 神奇宝贝钻石珍珠版超级音乐收藏]]

Talk:Pokémon Champion

2014-03-10T05:25:49Z

ArtistKyurem: /* N as Champion? */

==Archives==
This article was merged with "Champion (Trainer class)" on 25 Nov., 2010. Further pre-merge discussion may be found [[Talk:Champion (Trainer class)|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==Title defence==
"''It is assumed that the Champion must defend their title against challengers, although this is never explicitly stated.''"

What about when you fight Blue in R/B. They say he's the champion, then you have to fight him to become champion, you beat him and oh noes he is no longer the top-dog. That looks to me like a title defence. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As someone else noted in another article - the problem with that is FireRed and LeafGreen alone - where when you fight the Elite Four the second time (and in terms of the story - they recognize it's the second time, too) and Blue is the champion agian. - Zeta

That is a problem. But to me that would say that in the game, that it's possible to have more than one champion at the same time, no? Or maybe Game Freak just screwed up. Maybe the translators screwed up, does the original Japanese version share the same not-champion, now-chamption mixup? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 03:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why, in the games, the main goals are: catch all Pokémon, and '''BECOME THE CHAMPION'''. Yet when you beat the Elite Four/Champion, you can go back and re-chalenge the Champion, even though the game '''says''' you are the Champ, and the Champion has the same speech and is called '''"Champion''' *blank*". It is a '''HUGE''' loophole in the games. Why not retire the old Champ or have them say that you are the Champ now in their pre-battle speech? [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 02:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Sometimes things that should happen don't, because it's a game. It's better if there's a always high-level opponent that you can challenge at any time]. Because of that, they're not going to ''retire'' the game champ. But not changing the speech? Yeah, that's laziness. Apparently you're supposed to make the assumption that the game champion immediately sweeps the Elite Four again once you leave?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Obvious rename ==

Let's rename this to "Pokémon League Champion"; "Pokémon champion" sounds like it is describing someone who is a champion at something else, like contests or Battle Tower. In other words, Pokémon League Champion=moreo specifico. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE|PH1RESTRIKE]] 02:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Oak ==

Didn't proffesser oak win the first pokemon league in the pokespe manga?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Lunick v sonela}} ([[User talk:Lunick v sonela|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lunick v sonela|contribs]]) ''

Sorry.Lunick v sonela 17:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should we have a section regarding the sprites of the Champions? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 23:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's on the article for the [[Champion]] trainer class. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::Right... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 23:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== to merge ==

I vote for merging--[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] 04:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:Does anyone actually opose the merge? And if so why? These pages are about the same thing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::I also vote for merging, and that the Trainer Class page should be removed. The new page should be named "Pokémon Champion". 'Coz I dun see a "Boss (Trainer class)" page. The sprites in the Trainer class should be moved to the "In the games" section. -- [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 13:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:::OK then. Due to absolutely no objection on either talk page, and absolutely no clear reason to have the pages separate, I'm going to combine these pages like Gym Leader was. While the page will be here, it should really be at "Pokémon Champion"—I have checked the games and it is a proper noun. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Red ==
Wasn't he explicitly stated as a champion? He took Blue out of his role and became champion for a period. Shouldn't he be stated, for the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:True, but he is already covered by "* {{player|The player}} of [[Pallet Town]], [[New Bark Town]], [[Littleroot Town]], or [[Twinleaf Town]] (depending) - All games, once defeating the previous Champion". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== N? ==

Isn't N technically the champion for a short time? He beat Alder, and then is defeated by the player. [[User:Sennen Goroshi|Sennen Goroshi]] 01:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Reviving since I just got to that point in the game, and yeah, Alder lost to N, so wouldn't he technically count as a Champion? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 17:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Well not nessciarily (sorry for the spelling ) but the battle they had wasn't an "official" battle because he would have to beat the elite four and be "eligible" (get 8 or more badges) to even get a chance at the title.--[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 23:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Picture? ==

I uploaded a picture of the six main series Champions' official art arranged to have them standing in a group. The revision of this page that included the picture was almost instantaneously undone and the uploaded file was subsequently deleted (due to not being currently in use on any page). So, tempted though I am, before I take matters back into my own hands: Would such a picture be a good addition to the page?
[[User:Alderryeguy|Alderryeguy]] 01:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure. You should talk to somebody that is in charge of the archives. They would know why it was deleted. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::I deleted it because of the following reasons:
:::1) Not a good job with the cropping.
:::2) It's a mix of the existing pictures in Archives.
:::3) We don't really need them mixed, if you want their picture, then just go to the article of said Champion.
:::4) The quality varies, I'm not sure it should be an option to do this now.
::I (again) appreciate your concern, but I for one think we should let this one pass. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 04:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Champions ==

Was it ever mentioned that winning the Pokémon League makes you that region's Champion in the anime? Tobias and Cynthia seem to be extremely different cases. In fact, I would think that winning the league would allow access to the Champion League, which as far as I understand it, is an invite-only tournament for Elite Four members, the regional Champion, and probably "Sinnoh League Victors" to compete in. That is speculation, but so is assuming that winning the league automatically makes them the Champion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:No from what I remember in the anime Ash only got a cup when he won a League. It seems like a yearly event. Then next year another winner is crowned and given the cup. I dunno if they obtain the title of "Champion". Also the definition of "Champion" in the anime has not been explained well. All they keep saying is that they are the best trainer in the region yet. They don't seem to have any special role with the Pokemon League unlike the Gym Leaders (Cynthia is an example). [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

== All champions' music remixed. ==

It says that [[Blue (game)|Blue]]'s Champion music was remixed for B/W (and it was) for the battle with the "top trainer" of the Battle Subway. My problem with this is: define "top trainer." [[User:Pokered4000|Pokered4000]] 03:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

== VS Banners ==

I believe this page should use the VS Banner sprites for the pictures. I have a few reasons. One, they were used when the Champions were on the Elite Four page, and two, this will make them match the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and Frontier Brains pages. (Also, I know that Steven and Wallace don't have VS Banners, but hopefully they will eventually.) Also on a somewhat related note, the Champion page should be added to The Pokemon League box that has links to all the main articles about the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, etc. I was not sure where to post that so I put it here. So if someone that can would be so kind as to do those things, I would really appreciate it. If you have any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done also I'd be interested to hear them.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 20:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Pokémon Champions in Adventures==
Shouldn't Cynthia and Alder be included? In [[PS431|Different Dimensions Battle I]] Cynthia's grandmother scolds her for thinking that becoming a Champion means one doesn't need to train anymore. And Alder is the reigning Champion (at least according to Black). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] ([[User talk:Ariano|talk]]) 19:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Is Red a Champion? ==

''"In {{2v2|Black|White}}, Cynthia tells the player that once every few years, the Champions from all the regions come together and battle to find the strongest among them. In the [[Pokémon World Tournament]] in {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, which takes place 2 years later, all the Champions the player battles in previous games participate in the tournament, '''as well as {{ga|Red}}'''."''

This contradicts the table below, as this part of the sentence implies Red is not a Champion. The table has Red included, even though it implies he is not in that sentence. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Something from a random NPC inside of a house in Viridian City from HGSS:

''You go all over the place and battle all kinds of Trainers. This is not just to train your Pokémon. This is also a chance too experience many things yourself. I bet the '''Champion from Pallet Town''' went to all the cities and towns in Kanto.''

He's clearly talking about Red, since in the remake they don't keep things about Red secret like in the original GSC, and just the fact that he's in the Champions Tournament of the World Tournament should tell you even more that he is a Champion. [[User:Lamarfll|Lamarfll]] ([[User talk:Lamarfll|talk]]) 02:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

-- Red as Champion --
I think we can all establish the fact that there is canon evidence to support Red being Champion (eg. HG/SS reference, actual Champion title given, he can be fought, etc.). However, the only problem I have with this piece of information as it is would be the location. Red shouldn't be under Indigo Plateau, rather it should be Mt. Silver because he is not fought in Indigo Plateau itself. He shouldn't be categorized with Blue and Lance. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 03:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

== Name. ==

Blue [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNm2WZtGWY#t=7m52s refers] to himself as "League Champ" in FRLG. Oddly enough, seconds later he refers to the player as "Pokémon League Champion". [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== N as Champion? ==

Just out of curiosity, would N be canonically considered a Champion? He DOES beat Alder himself in Black and White, and you do have to fight him as (one of) the final boss after beating the Elite Four. I think he would fall under the same category as Blue, being a Champion only temporarily, and like Red, not listed as a Champion when fought. These are just my thoughts, but I'd like to know what you guys think. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 19:09, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
:Quote from N just after he defeated Alder:
::''"It's over! Never again will Pokémon be made to suffer or be held captive by humans. It's all thanks to my friend, Zekrom/Reshiram! You may have the title of Champion… But you can't stop me with just a title. Your soft heart has left you weak. Years ago, you lost your Pokémon, your partner, to sickness. In order to forget the pain in your heart, you wandered Unova… Who knows how long it's been since you've had to fight with your full strength? I actually kind of like that about you, though. As a Trainer who far outmatches the Champion, I shall issue an order across Unova: Trainers of the world, free your Pokémon!"'''
:This seems to indicate that while he defeated Alder, he chose not to be Champion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but you can't choose to be champion. I think the champion is the strongest trainer in the region, or in the case of Indigo, regions. Basically, the champion is whoever defeats the last champion. I think while Alder had the legal title of Champion, but N was the true champion- he just didin't formalize it. I think it's sorta like how Lance is Champion in G/S/C/HG/SS, but Red is obviously stronger and was known to have beaten Lance a few years before. Maybe we should just include both of them. [[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 18:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think we should add him unless something explicitly says he's considered a champion to be honest. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
::The Champion is not necessarily the strongest Trainer in the region, it's just the one who currently retains the title, who gets it through Pokémon League protocol. I don't believe N collected 8 Badges, so while he defeated the Elite Four, he wouldn't qualify to become Champion anyway (and he let Alder keep the title). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:::I know this isn't the newest thing ever, but I'd like to point out some things in favour of him being a storyline champion, like Red. I don't believe N would force his way through the Gates that check for badges, nor would he evade them. As you remember, he truly believed he was doing right, and he clearly didn't try and be a criminal, and I doubt he would enter the league without the badges. My second point being in the Super Music Collection for Pokemon Black and White, his battle theme is listed as "決戦", which translates to Decisive Battle. This title is only ever used by Champion Steven and N. Thoughts? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 05:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Goodra (Pokémon)

2014-03-02T05:43:25Z

ArtistKyurem: Undo revision 2083117 by ArtistKyurem (talk)

{{incomplete|needs=Catch rate, hatch time, base friendship}}

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Goodra |
jname=ヌメルゴン |
jtranslit=Numerugon|
tmname=Numelgon |
image=706Goodra.png |
species=Dragon |
typebox=1 |
type1=Dragon |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sap Sipper |
ability2=Hydration |
abilityd=Gooey |
ndex=706 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=021 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=331.8 |
weight-kg=150.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Dragon |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=3 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=270 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=0 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Goodra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヌメルゴン''' ''Numelgon'') is a {{type|Dragon}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Sliggoo}} starting at level 50 when leveled up during rain in the overworld. Rain instigated by {{m|Rain Dance}} or {{a|Drizzle}} will not trigger this evolution. It is the final evolution of {{p|Goomy}}.

==Biology==
Goodra is a pudgy bipedal {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that appears to be made of goo. Its ventral portion is mauve, while its dorsal side is lavender. It has bright green eyes, and two green spots on either side of its face and three on either side of its thick tail which curls inward. Goodra have two sets of antennae atop their head that are capable of retracting. The front pair of antennae are short, skinny and stand upright, while the back pair are long and thick, drooping downward behind its head and curling upward toward their tapering ends. A pale green slime drips from Goodra's chin and arms. Goodra is capable of throwing very strong punches. It is very affectionate and, when it hugs its Trainer, leaves them covered in goo.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Goodra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=6
|xdex=This very friendly {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon will hug its beloved Trainer, leaving that Trainer covered in sticky slime.
|ydex=It attacks with retractable horns. It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|
gen=6 |
xyrarity=None|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve Sliggoo]] |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=dragon|
HP=90|
Attack=100|
Defense=70|
SpAtk=110|
SpDef=150|
Speed=80}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 200 |
notes=yes|
sapsipper=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30}}
{{Learnlist/level6|5|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25}}
{{Learnlist/level6|9|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|25|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|38|Muddy Water|Water|Special|90|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|47|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|55|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|63|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|610|Axew}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}|Poison Tail|Poison|Physical|50|100|25}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=dragon
|pictype=art
|no1=704
|name1=Goomy
|type1-1=Dragon
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 40}}
|no2=705
|name2=Sliggoo
|type1-2=Dragon
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 50|}} while raining
|no3=706
|name3=Goodra
|type1-3=Dragon}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Goodra is the only [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon|pseudo-legendary]] of a single type.
** It is also the only pseudo-legendary that is only immune to a type because of {{a|Sap Sipper|one of its possible Abilities}}; all other pseudo-legendaries have a type immunity because of their own types.
* Goodra has the highest base {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon.
* Goodra shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Dratini}}, their evolutions, and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as the Dragon Pokémon.
* Goodra's base stats are all twice those of {{p|Goomy}}, with {{p|Sliggoo}}'s being half way in between (rounded up).

===Origin===
Goodra, due to its Dragon type, elongated body shape, and retractable tentacles used for battling is probably based on the {{wp|Lou Carcolh}}, a mythical serpent/mollusk creature from French folklore. Like its pre-evolutions, it could also be based on soft bodied gastropods, such as {{wp|slugs}} and {{wp|nudibranch}}; in particular, the {{wp|Glaucus atlanticus|"blue dragon" sea slug}}; Goodra's Pokédex entry may be a reference to slug's retractable eyes, which retract when they are in danger. Another possible basis is the youkai called {{jwp|出世螺|Shussebora}}, or "ascended trumpet shell": a trumpet shell snail that lives 1000 years in the mountains, 1000 on the plains and 1000 at sea will ascend and turn into a dragon.

====Name origin====
Goodra is a combination of ''goo'' and ''dragon''. It may also be a play on ''good''.

Numelgon may be a combination of 滑る ''numeru'' (to be slippery), ''gel'', and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dragon
|ja=ヌメルゴン ''Numelgon''|jameaning=From {{tt|滑る ''numeru''|to be slippery}}'', ''gel'', and ''dragon''
|fr=Muplodocus|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|mucus}}'' and ''{{wp|Diplodocus}}''
|es=Goodra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Viscogon|demeaning=From ''{{tt|viskos|viscous}}'' and ''dragon''
|it=Goodra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=미끄래곤 ''Mikkeuraegon''|komeaning=From {{tt|미끄럽다 ''mikkeureopda''|to be slippery}}'' and ''dragon''}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Viscogon]]
[[fr:Muplodocus]]
[[it:Goodra]]
[[ja:ヌメルゴン]]
[[zh:ヌメルゴン]]

Goodra (Pokémon)

2014-03-02T05:42:50Z

ArtistKyurem: Undo revision 2083115 by ArtistKyurem (talk)

{{incomplete|needs=Catch rate, hatch time, base friendship}}

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Goodra |
jname=ヌメルゴン |
jtranslit=Numerugon|
tmname=Numelgon |
image=706Goodra.png |
species=Dragon |
typebox=1 |
type1=Dragon |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sap Sipper |
ability2=Hydration |
abilityd=Gooey |
ndex=706 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=021 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=331.8 |
weight-kg=150.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Dragon |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=3 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=270 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=0 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Goodra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヌメルゴン''' ''Numelgon'') is a {{type|Dragon}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Sliggoo}} starting at level 50 when leveled up during rain in the overworld. Rain instigated by {{m|Rain Dance}} or {{a|Drizzle}} will not trigger this evolution. It is the final evolution of {{p|Goomy}}.

==Biology==
Goodra is a pudgy bipedal {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that appears to be made of goo. Its ventral portion is mauve, while its dorsal side is lavender. It has bright green eyes, and two green spots on either side of its face and three on either side of its thick tail which curls inward. Goodra have two sets of antennae atop their head that are capable of retracting. The front pair of antennae are short, skinny and stand upright, while the back pair are long and thick, drooping downward behind its head and curling upward toward their tapering ends. A pale green slime drips from Goodra's chin and arms. Goodra is capable of throwing very strong punches. It is very affectionate and, when it hugs its Trainer, leaves them covered in goo.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Goodra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=6
|xdex=This very friendly {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon will hug its beloved Trainer, leaving that Trainer covered in sticky slime.
|ydex=It attacks with retractable horns. It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|
gen=6 |
xyrarity=None|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve Sliggoo]] |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=dragon|
HP=90|
Attack=100|
Defense=70|
SpAtk=110|
SpDef=150|
Speed=80}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 200 |
notes=yes|
sapsipper=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30}}
{{Learnlist/level6|5|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25}}
{{Learnlist/level6|9|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|25|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|38|Muddy Water|Water|Special|90|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|47|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|55|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|63|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|610|Axew}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}|Poison Tail|Poison|Physical|50|100|25}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=dragon
|pictype=art
|no1=704
|name1=Goomy
|type1-1=Dragon
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 40}}
|no2=705
|name2=Sliggoo
|type1-2=Dragon
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 50|}} while raining
|no3=706
|name3=Goodra
|type1-3=Dragon}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Goodra is the only [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon|pseudo-legendary]] of a single type.
** It is also the only pseudo-legendary that is only immune to a type because of {{a|Sap Sipper|one of its possible Abilities}}; all other pseudo-legendaries have a type immunity because of their own types.
* Goodra has the highest base {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon.
* Goodra shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Dratini}}, their evolutions, and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as the Dragon Pokémon.

===Origin===
Goodra, due to its Dragon type, elongated body shape, and retractable tentacles used for battling is probably based on the {{wp|Lou Carcolh}}, a mythical serpent/mollusk creature from French folklore. Like its pre-evolutions, it could also be based on soft bodied gastropods, such as {{wp|slugs}} and {{wp|nudibranch}}; in particular, the {{wp|Glaucus atlanticus|"blue dragon" sea slug}}; Goodra's Pokédex entry may be a reference to slug's retractable eyes, which retract when they are in danger. Another possible basis is the youkai called {{jwp|出世螺|Shussebora}}, or "ascended trumpet shell": a trumpet shell snail that lives 1000 years in the mountains, 1000 on the plains and 1000 at sea will ascend and turn into a dragon.

====Name origin====
Goodra is a combination of ''goo'' and ''dragon''. It may also be a play on ''good''.

Numelgon may be a combination of 滑る ''numeru'' (to be slippery), ''gel'', and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dragon
|ja=ヌメルゴン ''Numelgon''|jameaning=From {{tt|滑る ''numeru''|to be slippery}}'', ''gel'', and ''dragon''
|fr=Muplodocus|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|mucus}}'' and ''{{wp|Diplodocus}}''
|es=Goodra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Viscogon|demeaning=From ''{{tt|viskos|viscous}}'' and ''dragon''
|it=Goodra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=미끄래곤 ''Mikkeuraegon''|komeaning=From {{tt|미끄럽다 ''mikkeureopda''|to be slippery}}'' and ''dragon''}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Viscogon]]
[[fr:Muplodocus]]
[[it:Goodra]]
[[ja:ヌメルゴン]]
[[zh:ヌメルゴン]]

Goodra (Pokémon)

2014-03-02T05:40:17Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Trivia */ Halfway from 300 to 600 is 450. Math.

{{incomplete|needs=Catch rate, hatch time, base friendship}}

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Goodra |
jname=ヌメルゴン |
jtranslit=Numerugon|
tmname=Numelgon |
image=706Goodra.png |
species=Dragon |
typebox=1 |
type1=Dragon |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sap Sipper |
ability2=Hydration |
abilityd=Gooey |
ndex=706 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=021 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=331.8 |
weight-kg=150.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Dragon |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=3 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=270 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=0 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Goodra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヌメルゴン''' ''Numelgon'') is a {{type|Dragon}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Sliggoo}} starting at level 50 when leveled up during rain in the overworld. Rain instigated by {{m|Rain Dance}} or {{a|Drizzle}} will not trigger this evolution. It is the final evolution of {{p|Goomy}}.

==Biology==
Goodra is a pudgy bipedal {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that appears to be made of goo. Its ventral portion is mauve, while its dorsal side is lavender. It has bright green eyes, and two green spots on either side of its face and three on either side of its thick tail which curls inward. Goodra have two sets of antennae atop their head that are capable of retracting. The front pair of antennae are short, skinny and stand upright, while the back pair are long and thick, drooping downward behind its head and curling upward toward their tapering ends. A pale green slime drips from Goodra's chin and arms. Goodra is capable of throwing very strong punches. It is very affectionate and, when it hugs its Trainer, leaves them covered in goo.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Goodra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=6
|xdex=This very friendly {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon will hug its beloved Trainer, leaving that Trainer covered in sticky slime.
|ydex=It attacks with retractable horns. It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|
gen=6 |
xyrarity=None|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve Sliggoo]] |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=dragon|
HP=90|
Attack=100|
Defense=70|
SpAtk=110|
SpDef=150|
Speed=80}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 200 |
notes=yes|
sapsipper=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30}}
{{Learnlist/level6|5|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25}}
{{Learnlist/level6|9|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|25|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|38|Muddy Water|Water|Special|90|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|47|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|55|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|63|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|610|Axew}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}|Poison Tail|Poison|Physical|50|100|25}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=dragon
|pictype=art
|no1=704
|name1=Goomy
|type1-1=Dragon
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 40}}
|no2=705
|name2=Sliggoo
|type1-2=Dragon
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 50|}} while raining
|no3=706
|name3=Goodra
|type1-3=Dragon}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Goodra is the only [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon|pseudo-legendary]] of a single type.
* Goodra has the highest base {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon.
* Goodra shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Dratini}}, their evolutions, and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as the Dragon Pokémon.

===Origin===
Goodra, due to its Dragon type, elongated body shape, and retractable tentacles used for battling is probably based on the {{wp|Lou Carcolh}}, a mythical serpent/mollusk creature from French folklore. Like its pre-evolutions, it could also be based on soft bodied gastropods, such as {{wp|slugs}} and {{wp|nudibranch}}; in particular, the {{wp|Glaucus atlanticus|"blue dragon" sea slug}}; Goodra's Pokédex entry may be a reference to slug's retractable eyes, which retract when they are in danger. Another possible basis is the youkai called {{jwp|出世螺|Shussebora}}, or "ascended trumpet shell": a trumpet shell snail that lives 1000 years in the mountains, 1000 on the plains and 1000 at sea will ascend and turn into a dragon.

====Name origin====
Goodra is a combination of ''goo'' and ''dragon''. It may also be a play on ''good''.

Numelgon may be a combination of 滑る ''numeru'' (to be slippery), ''gel'', and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dragon
|ja=ヌメルゴン ''Numelgon''|jameaning=From {{tt|滑る ''numeru''|to be slippery}}'', ''gel'', and ''dragon''
|fr=Muplodocus|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|mucus}}'' and ''{{wp|Diplodocus}}''
|es=Goodra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Viscogon|demeaning=From ''{{tt|viskos|viscous}}'' and ''dragon''
|it=Goodra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=미끄래곤 ''Mikkeuraegon''|komeaning=From {{tt|미끄럽다 ''mikkeureopda''|to be slippery}}'' and ''dragon''}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Viscogon]]
[[fr:Muplodocus]]
[[it:Goodra]]
[[ja:ヌメルゴン]]
[[zh:ヌメルゴン]]

Goodra (Pokémon)

2014-03-02T05:38:50Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Trivia */ Um, Levitate, Hydreigon? Duh?

{{incomplete|needs=Catch rate, hatch time, base friendship}}

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Goodra |
jname=ヌメルゴン |
jtranslit=Numerugon|
tmname=Numelgon |
image=706Goodra.png |
species=Dragon |
typebox=1 |
type1=Dragon |
abilityn=d |
ability1=Sap Sipper |
ability2=Hydration |
abilityd=Gooey |
ndex=706 |
karea=Mountain |
kdex=021 |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=331.8 |
weight-kg=150.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Dragon |
gendercode=127 |
eggcycles=Unknown |
evtotal=3 |
evsd=3 |
expyield=270 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
color=Purple |
catchrate=0 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=Unknown |
generation=6 |
friendship=? |
}}
'''Goodra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヌメルゴン''' ''Numelgon'') is a {{type|Dragon}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].

It [[evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Sliggoo}} starting at level 50 when leveled up during rain in the overworld. Rain instigated by {{m|Rain Dance}} or {{a|Drizzle}} will not trigger this evolution. It is the final evolution of {{p|Goomy}}.

==Biology==
Goodra is a pudgy bipedal {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon that appears to be made of goo. Its ventral portion is mauve, while its dorsal side is lavender. It has bright green eyes, and two green spots on either side of its face and three on either side of its thick tail which curls inward. Goodra have two sets of antennae atop their head that are capable of retracting. The front pair of antennae are short, skinny and stand upright, while the back pair are long and thick, drooping downward behind its head and curling upward toward their tapering ends. A pale green slime drips from Goodra's chin and arms. Goodra is capable of throwing very strong punches. It is very affectionate and, when it hugs its Trainer, leaves them covered in goo.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

===Pokédex entries===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Goodra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=6
|xdex=This very friendly {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon will hug its beloved Trainer, leaving that Trainer covered in sticky slime.
|ydex=It attacks with retractable horns. It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon|
gen=6 |
xyrarity=None|
xyarea=[[Evolution|Evolve Sliggoo]] |
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=dragon|
HP=90|
Attack=100|
Defense=70|
SpAtk=110|
SpDef=150|
Speed=80}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |
Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 200 |
notes=yes|
sapsipper=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30}}
{{Learnlist/level6|5|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25}}
{{Learnlist/level6|9|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|13|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/level6|18|Dragon Breath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{Learnlist/level6|25|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{Learnlist/level6|28|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|32|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/level6|38|Muddy Water|Water|Special|90|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|47|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level6|50|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|55|Power Whip|Grass|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level6|63|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Infestation|Bug|Special|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|610|Axew}}|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|690|Skrelp}}{{MSP|691|Dragalge}}|Poison Tail|Poison|Physical|50|100|25}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|130|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Goodra|Dragon|Dragon|6|6}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=dragon
|pictype=art
|no1=704
|name1=Goomy
|type1-1=Dragon
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 40}}
|no2=705
|name2=Sliggoo
|type1-2=Dragon
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 50|}} while raining
|no3=706
|name3=Goodra
|type1-3=Dragon}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
* Goodra is the only [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon|pseudo-legendary]] of a single type.
* Goodra has the highest base {{stat|Special Defense}} of all {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon.
* Goodra shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Dratini}}, their evolutions, and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as the Dragon Pokémon.
* Goodra's base stats are all twice those of {{p|Goomy}}, with {{p|Sliggoo}}'s being half way in between (rounded up).

===Origin===
Goodra, due to its Dragon type, elongated body shape, and retractable tentacles used for battling is probably based on the {{wp|Lou Carcolh}}, a mythical serpent/mollusk creature from French folklore. Like its pre-evolutions, it could also be based on soft bodied gastropods, such as {{wp|slugs}} and {{wp|nudibranch}}; in particular, the {{wp|Glaucus atlanticus|"blue dragon" sea slug}}; Goodra's Pokédex entry may be a reference to slug's retractable eyes, which retract when they are in danger. Another possible basis is the youkai called {{jwp|出世螺|Shussebora}}, or "ascended trumpet shell": a trumpet shell snail that lives 1000 years in the mountains, 1000 on the plains and 1000 at sea will ascend and turn into a dragon.

====Name origin====
Goodra is a combination of ''goo'' and ''dragon''. It may also be a play on ''good''.

Numelgon may be a combination of 滑る ''numeru'' (to be slippery), ''gel'', and ''dragon''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dragon
|ja=ヌメルゴン ''Numelgon''|jameaning=From {{tt|滑る ''numeru''|to be slippery}}'', ''gel'', and ''dragon''
|fr=Muplodocus|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|mucus}}'' and ''{{wp|Diplodocus}}''
|es=Goodra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Viscogon|demeaning=From ''{{tt|viskos|viscous}}'' and ''dragon''
|it=Goodra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=미끄래곤 ''Mikkeuraegon''|komeaning=From {{tt|미끄럽다 ''mikkeureopda''|to be slippery}}'' and ''dragon''}}
{{-}}

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Sliggoo | next=Klefki | type=Dragon | prevnum=705 | nextnum=707 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Viscogon]]
[[fr:Muplodocus]]
[[it:Goodra]]
[[ja:ヌメルゴン]]
[[zh:ヌメルゴン]]

Talk:Sand Stream (Ability)

2014-02-23T04:37:02Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Worth Noting? */ new section

== Immunity ==

If by some method, a Pokemon not normally immune to Sandstorm damage gets this ability, does that Pokemon gain immunity as with the other Sandstorm-related abilities?--[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

== Stat Boost? ==

Does the special defense boost(by 50%) still occur when sandstorm is summoned through this ability? I read somewhere that it's not; although I've always believed that it was; can anyone help me on this? Please and thanks. [[User:Venus253|Venus253]] 16:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Is it worth noting that all Pokemon with the Sand Stream ability have holes in their body in which the sand pours out? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 04:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon-Amie

2014-02-07T04:29:04Z

ArtistKyurem: /* Petting */

[[File:Pokémon-Amie artwork.png|thumb|Pokémon-Amie artwork]]
'''Pokémon-Amie''' (Japanese: '''ポケパルレ''' ''Poké Parler'') is a feature in [[Pokémon X and Y]] that allows the {{player}} to develop stronger bonds with their {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. It uses the touch screen to allow players to pet, feed, and play with Pokémon currently on their team. Players may interact with their Pokémon by petting or feeding them via the touchscreen or mimicking their movements using the camera. Large Pokémon, like {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Snorlax}}, take up both screens of the [[Nintendo 3DS|3DS]].

Pokémon-Amie introduces three new interrelated aspects for the player to keep tabs on: affection, fullness, and enjoyment. Interacting with a Pokémon or feeding it increases its affection towards the player, which grants bonuses such as allowing it to {{stat|evasion|avoid attacks}} and land [[critical hit]]s more often. Affection is also separate from [[friendship]].

Pokémon-Amie is accessible among the paged features on the bottom screen of the 3DS, immediately left of [[Super Training]] or right of the [[Player Search System]].

==Decorate==
When the player taps on the active Pokémon in Pokémon-Amie, they may choose to decorate the Pokémon-Amie space. In this mode, the player may customize the space by changing the wallpaper and setting out decorations (up to 30). They may also set out a Poké Puff to entice more visitors to stop by and leave gifts. If a Poké Puff is placed or changed, the visitors at the time will be reset.

Decorations and wallpaper may be received in a few ways:
*After playing minigames with the active Pokémon
*After raising the active Pokémon's affection
*After a group of visitors stops by the player's Pokémon-Amie space

==Play==
When the player taps on the active Pokémon in Pokémon-Amie, they may choose to play with their Pokémon. In this mode, the player may interact with their Pokémon in various ways using the stylus and the 3DS's camera. If the Pokémon is afflicted by a [[status condition]] or [[fainting|fainted]], however, it will appear to be asleep and the player will be unable to interact with it.

The major play interactions include petting the Pokémon or feeding it Poké Puffs to raise its affection; playing the [[Berry Picker]], [[Head It]], or [[Tile Puzzle]] minigames to lower its fullness and gain more Poké Puffs; and playing a special game, Making Faces, to raise affection and lower fullness. Playing any game raises enjoyment as well. Some Pokémon, like {{p|Shedinja}}, cannot eat Poké Puffs at all, however, and to play any of the minigames, the player must have at least three healthy Pokémon in their party.

Other minor interactions affect the Pokémon's enjoyment in small amounts. Touching a Pokémon in several places around its body raises its enjoyment, while rapidly tapping the same place on a Pokémon will cause the player to hit the Pokémon and lower its enjoyment. If the player presses the stylus away from the Pokémon's body for 5 seconds, certain Pokémon, such as the [[Eeveelution]]s, {{p|Pikachu}}, or {{p|Pancham}}, will attempt to high-five the player, and their enjoyment will go up if they succeed.

In addition, touching some Pokémon in certain spots may cause a special effect to the cursor. Negative effects usually freeze the cursor's position and make Pokémon less happy, while others are only aesthetic and are treated like normal rubbing.
*'''Freezing''': The cursor becomes blue with a freezing sound, and freezes in place briefly.'' (Example: Touching the spike of a {{p|Bergmite}}.)''
*'''Burning''': The cursor becomes red, with a sizzling sound effect, and freezes in place briefly.'' (Example: Touching a {{p|Slugma}}.)''
*'''Paralyzing''': The cursor turns yellow with an electric sound, and freezes in place briefly.'' (Example: Touching the cheeks of a {{p|Pikachu}}.)''
*'''Cutting''': The cursor becomes covered in bandages with a steel slicing sound effect, and freezes in place briefly. ''(Example: Touching the blade on a {{p|Pawniard}}'s head.)''
*'''Gooey''': The cursor turns slightly blue, slows down, and has a higher pitch than normal rubbing. ''(Example: Rubbing a {{p|Ditto}}.)''
*'''Haunted''': Purely aesthetic, it turns the cursor more transparent. ''(Example: Touching the hair of a {{p|Gourgeist}}.)''
*'''Slimy''': The cursor becomes significantly slower and looks like it's covered in sludge, making a wet sort of noise.'' (Example: Touching a {{p|Garbodor}}.)''

===Petting===
The player may pet their Pokémon by using the touch screen to rub it. Every Pokémon that can be petted has some places where it especially likes to be petted and some places where it dislikes being petted, but until the Pokémon has more than 0 affection, these places are treated no different from neutral spots. Petting a Pokémon always decreases enjoyment and usually increases affection (with the amount indicated by the number of hearts that appear above the Pokémon's head), but petting it in a favored spot will decrease enjoyment less than a neutral spot, while petting it in a disfavored spot will not increase affection at all.

There are two ways to identify the spots where a Pokémon especially does and does not like to be petted. One is visual, and may be difficult to discern with certain Pokémon (such as {{p|Vivillon}}), while the other is aural, and applies the same to all Pokémon. When a Pokémon is being petted in a neutral spot, its eyes will be closed as though contented, with the eyelids generally making a semicircle, and a sound will be produced as the cursor moves around the Pokémon. If petted in a favored spot, the Pokémon's closed eyes will become slanted, as though they are taking special pleasure in it, and the sound produced by rubbing will take on a higher pitch. If they are petted in a disfavored spot, though, their eyes will remain open and their eyebrows draw flat, as in apprehension, and the pitch of the rubbing will be lower.

===Making Faces===
In the Making Faces game, the player's Pokémon will request that the player make certain faces, such as smiling and winking, and if the player can match those requests five times, the Pokémon's affection will increase moderately. The game may be triggered when a smiley face icon appears in the bottom-left corner of the lower screen (indicating that the 3DS's camera recognizes the player) by the player making a face or tilting their head.

There are some things the player may do to ensure that the 3DS's camera can recognize them well for the Making Faces game. First and foremost is to be in a well-lit area. It may help for the player to face a light source so that their face is not in shadows. By the same token, their face should be clearly visible, including removing eyewear and brushing hair aside. They should also hold the 3DS at least a foot away from their face (generally less than an arm's length for an adult). It may also help if the player faces the camera when making faces, slightly upwards from their natural inclination to face the lower screen.

==Stats==
Pokémon-Amie introduces three new stats that the player can affect primarily by interacting with their Pokémon in Pokémon-Amie. These stats are affection, fullness, and enjoyment. The effects of fullness and enjoyment are limited to how they interact with affection, but high levels of affection grant Pokémon a number of bonuses in battle.

All of the stats can have a point value from 0 to 255, and the level of the stat displayed in the Switch screen is based on the number of points that stat has. The table below shows the minimum number of points required in any stat to achieve a given level.
{| class="roundy" cellpadding=3 style="background: #{{cute color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cute color dark}}; margin:auto"
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Level
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Points
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 0 || 0
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 1 || 1
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 2 || 50
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 3 || 100
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 4 || 150
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 5
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | 255
|}
Pokémon will give some cues to each of these stats' point values. At every 50 points of affection (except 250 points), a Pokémon will perform a sort of dance, where they will jump and cry twice while numerous hearts flow above their head and sparkles shine on their body; at 255 points, they will jump and cry three times. If a Pokémon's fullness is below 198 points when it is fed a Poké Puff, it will make three quick bites; but if its fullness is 198 to 213 points, it will slow down for the third bite, and if its fullness is above 213 points, it will make all three bites slowly. If a Pokémon has 255 points of enjoyment when the play mode is opened or after a game finishes, sparkles will briefly shine on its body.

When the player taps the active Pokémon-Amie Pokémon so that the Decorate, Play, and Switch options appear, up to three icons will flash in a loop above the Pokémon's head. The number of hearts in one loop indicates the Pokémon's affection level, while the number of Poké Puff or music notes indicates how far the Pokémon is from fullness or enjoyment level 5 (respectively).

When a Pokémon is moving around in the Pokémon-Amie screen, icons may also appear above their head. If the Pokémon has less than 50 points of either fullness or enjoyment, one of those icons will appear above its head, depending on which has less points (or fullness if they are tied). If both fullness and enjoyment have at least 200 points, though, an orange music note will appear above the Pokémon's head as it moves. If the active Pokémon's fullness reaches 0 points while it is moving around, it will stop in place until the player acknowledges it. If the player is viewing the [[Player Search System]] or [[Super Training]] when this happens, the Pokémon's icon will appear by the arrow that leads to the Pokémon-Amie page.

Most actions that affect Pokémon-Amie stats must be done in the Pokémon-Amie play mode. The exceptions are sending the active Pokémon-Amie Pokémon into a battle and the player completing 50 steps. While certain actions will deduct points from fullness or enjoyment, no action will deduct points from affection. The table below describes all of the events that affect Pokémon-Amie stats and how the stats are affected.
{| class="roundy sortable" cellpadding=3 style="background: #{{cute color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cute color dark}}; margin:auto"
! data-sort-type="number" style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{tt|Aff|Affection}}
! data-sort-type="number" style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | {{tt|Full|Fullness}}
! data-sort-type="number" style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | {{tt|Enj|Enjoyment}}
! class="unsortable" style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Event
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +1 || —
| data-sort-value=-20 | -20{{tt|20...34|Only when enjoyment is between 20 and 34 points.}}
| rowspan=3 | Pet Pokémon in a normal spot
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +2 || —
| data-sort-value=-35 | -35{{tt|35...49|Only when enjoyment is between 35 and 49 points.}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +3 || — || -50{{tt|≥50|Only when enjoyment is 50 points or more.}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +1 || —
| data-sort-value=-16 | -16{{tt|16...41|Only when enjoyment is between 16 and 41 points.}}
| rowspan=2 | Pet Pokémon in a favored spot
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +3 || — || -42{{tt|≥42|Only when enjoyment is 42 points or more.}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || — || -20 || Pet Pokémon in a disfavored spot
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +2
| rowspan=4 | +50
| rowspan=4 | —
| Feed Pokémon a whole basic Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +3
| Feed Pokémon a whole Frosted Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +4
| Feed Pokémon a whole Fancy Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +5
| Feed Pokémon a whole Deluxe or Supreme Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| +8 || -50 || +80 || Win Making Faces game
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || -1 || +1{{tt|<70|Only if enjoyment is below 70 points}} || The player has taken 50 steps
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || -110 || +30 || Win an Easy or Normal Tile Puzzle game; ''applies to all participants''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || -110 || +80 || Win a Berry Picker, Head It, or Hard or Unlimited Tile Puzzle game; ''applies to all participants''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || -10 || — || Enter a battle with the active Pokémon-Amie Pokémon
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || +16 || — || Feed Pokémon one bite{{tt|*|indicated by its size decreasing once}} of a Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || +32 || — || Feed Pokémon two bites{{tt|*|indicated by its size decreasing twice}} of a Poké Puff
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || — || -5 || Hit Pokémon (double-tap very quickly)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || — || +5 || Touch Pokémon in several spots around its body
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || — || +10 || High-five Pokémon
|- style="background:#FFF"
| — || — || +10 || Open play mode
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | —
| style="background:#FFF" | —
| style="background:#FFF" | +10
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Open{{tt|*|This value will not be added again until the player has quit the game}} a minigame, including Making Faces
|}
The counter for a player's steps is always running and does not restart when a new Pokémon is made the active Pokémon-Amie Pokémon. This means it is possible for a Pokémon to gain a point of enjoyment on the player's first step immediately after it was switched to active status. Even if the player is not viewing the Pokémon-Amie page, points will still be added or deducted for every 50 steps the player makes.

When a Pokémon is petted or fed a Poké Puff, a number of hearts will float above the Pokémon. The number of hearts corresponds to the number of points that are added to their affection. In the case of petting a Pokémon that has low enjoyment, a music note is shown instead, since no affection is gained by that action.

===Affection benefits===
{{incomplete|section|What levels are required for the other battle effects? And does the chance of occurrence increase with affection level/by how much?}}
A Pokémon with high levels of affection will gain certain bonuses in battle and will interact with its Trainer in unique ways.


At affection level 2 and higher, a Pokémon will gain 1.2 times the normal experience from battles. At higher levels, the Pokémon may also gain other benefits, like...
* Elevated chance of [[critical hit]]s.
* Elevated chance of {{stat|evasion|avoiding attacks}}.
* Shaking off [[status condition]]s.
* Attacks doing extra damage.
* Enduring attacks that could otherwise make it [[Fainting|faint]] and surviving with 1 HP.

An affection level of 2 or higher is also a prerequisite to evolve {{p|Eevee}} into {{p|Sylveon}}. The other requirement is that Eevee must know a {{type|Fairy}} move when it levels up.

There are some cases where Pokémon do not get their affection bonuses, however. If a Pokémon Mega Evolves, it will not gain any affection benefits while it is in its Mega-Evolved state. More broadly, battles conducted over wireless or online play, or at the [[Battle Maison]] or [[Battle Institute]], do not incorporate any affection benefits.

====Battle quotes====
{{incomplete|section|Other quotes, esp. for the benefits (like avoiding a hit)}}
A high affection affects many of the standard battle dialogues, and Pokémon with high affection even have special animations at the start of a battle.

It is also possible to pet a Pokémon with a high enough affection in battle. The Trainer may pet a Pokémon after catching or defeating an opponent, by touching the bottom screen of the 3DS before the opponent's fainting animation finishes. Although hearts will appear above a Pokémon's head when it is petted in battle, the Pokémon's affection does not change.

The table below details the possible dialogues and animations when a Pokémon is first sent out or when it is awaiting instructions. Each affection level starting from level 2 has at least two waiting dialogues, with one appearing most commonly and the others rarely.
{| class="roundy" cellpadding="3" style="margin:auto; background:#{{cute color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cute color dark}}"
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Affection
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | In-battle call dialogue
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | In-battle waiting dialogue
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon animation
|- style="background:#fff"
| 0 - 1
| rowspan=2 | Go! <Pokémon>!
| What will <Pokémon> do?
| None
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| What will <Pokémon> do? <Pokémon> is reassured by <Trainer>'s familiar scent. <Pokémon> seems a bit excited. <Pokémon> seems a little out of it... <Pokémon> can't wait to begin.
| Shakes twice
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| rowspan=3 | Go on, <Pokémon>! I know you can do it!
| <Pokémon> is awaiting <Trainer>'s directions... <Pokémon> seems to be interested in the other Pokémon's scent... <Pokémon> is remembering the first time it met <Trainer>... <Pokémon> seems curious about what is going on around it. <Pokémon> is reassured by <Trainer>'s familiar scent. <Pokémon> really wants some time to play with <Trainer>...
| Jumps twice
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| <Pokémon> is awaiting <Trainer>'s directions... <Pokémon> is looking at <Trainer> with trusting eyes! <Pokémon> is bursting with enthusiasm for battle! <Pokémon> and <Trainer> are breathing in perfect sync with one another! <Pokémon> trusts <Trainer> to come up with the best strategy!
| Looks right Can pet after catching or defeating another Pokémon
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 5
| style="background:#fff" | ''(same as for 4)'' <Pokémon> turned back towards <Trainer> and nodded in understanding! <Pokémon> seems curious about <Trainer>'s bag...
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Looks right Can pet after catching or defeating another Pokémon
|}
A Pokémon with affection of at least level 4 will also look to the right at the Trainer after a wild Pokémon is caught.

The following table describes the dialogues that happen for other events, and the minimum affection needed for those dialogues to appear.
{| class="roundy sortable" cellpadding=3 style="margin:auto; background: #{{cute color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cute color dark}}"
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Affection
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | Event
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Dialogue
|- style="background:#fff"
| ? || Hitting a Pokémon with a super-effective move || That's it! I knew you could do it
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | 3
| style="background:#fff" | Switching out a Pokémon
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Come on back, <Pokémon>! You did great out there!
|}

==Poké Puffs==
Poké Puffs are small cake-like confections that can be fed to Pokémon to increase their affection. Poké Puffs are obtained by beating mini-games or from visiting Pokémon. They come in the following, purely aesthetic flavors:
*'''Citrus''': Orange, with an orange slice topping past the Frosted level.
*'''Mocha''': Brown and light brown, with a white chocolate topping at Fancy level and chocolate at Deluxe.
*'''Spice''': Dark browns, with a chocolate topping past the Frosted level.
*'''Mint''': Green, with a cinnamon stick topping past the Frosted level.
*'''Sweet''': Pink, with a cherry topping past the Frosted level.

In addition to flavors, Poké Puffs also have a level, which affects the number of points they increase affection by.
*'''Basic''': has no decorations or embellishments.
*'''Frosted''': has a swirled frosting on top.
*'''Fancy''': looks the same as basic but with a topping{{tt|*|depends on the Poké Puff's flavor}}.
*'''Deluxe''': looks the same as Frosted, but with a topping{{tt|*|depends on the Poké Puff's flavor}}.

Poké Puffs also come in a rare fifth variant, '''Supreme''', which have special flavors, though they basically resemble the normal flavors only with multiple special toppings. These Poké Puffs must be obtained in special ways.
*'''Spring''': Resembles Sweet, with sakura flower decorations; obtained with a score of 5 stars on any Unlimited mini-game.
*'''Summer''': Resembles Mint, with an orange slice and various coloured circular sprinkles; obtained with a score of 5 stars on Unlimited Head It.
*'''Fall''': Resembles Citrus, with maple leaf and acorn decorations; obtained with a score of 5 stars on Unlimited Berry Picker.
*'''Winter''': Resembles Spice, with white frosting, a chocolate topping, and snowman and candy cane decorations; obtained with a score of 5 stars on Unlimited Tile Puzzle.
*'''Honor''': Resembles Mocha, with star and Poké Ball decorations; obtained from visiting Pokémon after beating the Elite Four.
*'''Wish''': Resembles a birthday cake; obtained from visiting Pokémon on the player's birthday.

The player may hold a maximum of 100 Poké Puffs. If the player already has 100 Poké Puffs, they will not be able to receive any more from winning minigames, but a Poké Puff left by a visitor will force the player to lose the first Poké Puff in their inventory.

==Visitors==
While the player is viewing Pokémon-Amie, Pokémon from recorded Friends, Acquaintances, and Passerby in the [[Player Search System]] will visit the player's Pokémon-Amie space. One by one, Pokémon will enter the player's space and decide whether they want to stay for a while or move on. When three Pokémon have decided to stay, they will start a dicussion amongst themselves, and, 30 seconds later, they will leave a gift and depart. These gifts may be Poké Puffs or interior items or wallpapers for the player's Pokémon-Amie space.

In the decorate mode, the player may set a Poké Puff in the center of the Pokémon-Amie space. While a Poké Puff is in the center of the Pokémon-Amie space, visitors will have a greater chance of stopping in the player's space. A Poké Puff also lasts through more groups of visitors with higher "levels".
{| class="roundy sortable" cellpadding=3 style="background: #{{cute color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cute color dark}}; margin:auto"
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Poké Puff
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | Stay Chance{{tt|*|These numbers are approximations based on observations}}
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Duration
|- style="background:#fff"
| none || 50% || —
|- style="background:#fff"
| basic || 65% || 1
|- style="background:#fff"
| Frosted || 80% || 2
|- style="background:#fff"
| Fancy || 90% || 3
|- style="background:#fff"
| Deluxe || 95% || 4
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Supreme
| style="background:#fff" | 100%
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | 5
|}

A maximum of six gifts may be left unclaimed, but as soon as the next group of three Pokémon begins their discussion, one of the unclaimed gifts will disappear to make room for the gift the new group will leave.

==Trivia==
* After defeating an opponent, Pokémon that are currently [[Sleep (status ailment)|asleep]] or in a Mega Evolved state cannot be petted.
** Petting is also disabled during Triple and Rotation Battles.
* If a Pokémon is traded, its fullness and enjoyment will both be retained; however, its affection level will be 0 with its new trainer. If the Pokémon is traded back to its previous trainer, the affection level will revert back to the level it had been with that trainer. 

===Name origin===
Pokémon-Amie is a play on ''Pokémon'' and the French phrase ''mon amie'' (meaning "my friend").

Poké Parler is a combination of ''Poké'' and the French word ''parler'' (meaning "to speak").

===In other languages===
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|de=PokéMonAmi
|es=Poké Recreo
|fr=Poké Récré
|it=Poké io&te
|ko=포켓파를레 ''Poket'pareulle''
}}

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[[fr:Poké Récré]]
[[it:Poké io&te]]
[[ja:ポケパルレ]]

Talk:Dragonite (Pokémon)

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==Edit to Dragonite's Trivia==

I moved the lone piece of trivia as a comment underneath Dragonite's base stat chart. The trivia referred to Salamence' statistics being similar to Dragonite's. I feel that things like this should be done to reduce the number of Trivia sections in the article. I deleted the Trivia section at first, but then I went back and put it back. It is now empty.

[[User:GoldenBattler|GoldenBattler]]

:That's not how we work, man. Stuff like that is considered vandalism, removing sections and stuff. :/ Don't do that stuff again. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

==Horn?==
There did thst come from? The horn was not there last time I saw that page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:does it matter? its there, and, uh, yea. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to object to something in trivia: "In Generation I games, Dragonite didn't have a horn. One was added during Generation II. However there does appear to be a horn on Dragonite's Green sprite".
Um, there is a horn on the Green shiny sprite. I can see it there. Is it okay for this to be removed? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Island of Dragonite??? ==

I was wondering where a mention of an island inhabited by Dragonite is? Cheers! {{unsigned|Lachynorms}}
:It's in the Pokedex information. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 15:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

On an interesting note, Dragonite's shiny sprite looks simalar to Tyranitar, and Tyranitar's shiny sprite looks simalar to Dragonite. Is this worth noting?
ShinyPiKa 01:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Crystal sprites? ==
I'm sure crysalsprites were here before--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia.. ==

Are we supposed to know who "the four other powerhouse evolutions" are? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:{{p|Tyranitar|Four}} {{p|Salamence|other}} {{p|Metagross|powerhouse}} {{p|Garchomp|evolutions}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== An European ==

Is it "a European" or "an European"? I changed the line to "They resemble a European dragon" but it got changed back to "an". I know that you are supposed to use "an" instead of "a" but you know, like how the english language is so simple with all its rule breaking words. I am 100% sure it is "A European" not "An" (so does MS Word).

Though I am failing English but that's just because I can't retain exact information for content quizes and am not good at crappy word play like "He may be backwards but he's not aloof"/offtopic--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 01:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I am also sure it is "a", due to the fact that European starts with the consonant sound 'y' as in your. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
: That's true. This is same as honour. It's an honour not a honour. --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 01:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Y is "sometimes" a vowel.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 01:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::But in this case, it is the consonant sound of y, not an actual y. Would you say an young person? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Really, its "sometimes" Y not "always Y", and I'm searching through the history and it keeps being reverted -_-. I actually knew it was supposed to be "A European" but started this discussion because I knew that this would happen. Just take the advice of every english teacher: Read it out loud, chances are if it sounds wrong, it is.

::::Like I mentioned, there are also a lot of rule-breaking English words like the infamous "i before e except after c" There's science, weird, rottweiler etc. This is why English is a very complicated language, despite all their rules, there are about a hundred other exceptions.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 01:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::I still agree with Fiddler. It just doesn't sound <sc>right</sc>. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::Wait, what doesn't sound right, 'a' or 'an'? I think an sounds wrong... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::He agrees with you so "An European" doesn't sound right. Also the answer to the random tidbit at my first post was "fool" for anyone who didn't figure it out.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think it's been established now...a European... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Does "An Uranium atom" sound wrong? If it does, perhaps 'an' is a special case for 'u'. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 02:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not really special, same thing as European. Starts with the 'y' sound as in young and yours. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 02:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Grammar 101, people. You use "an" before a vowel '''sound''', not necessarily a vowel letter. Examples: an hour, a unicorn, an heir.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 00:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== Stats..... ==

I've done this already and they've undone it again........ Stats are supposed to be multiples of 5! I corrected it's evolutions' stats and that didn't get undone! What is goin' on here?! Like......it's attak stat was at 134 and hp at 91. I corrected it to 135 and 90 and it's evolutions. The evolutions' and Dragonite's got undone so I did it again...... Now it's evolutions' stayed and Dragonite's moved! Believe me, I have had plenty of Dragonite to know how they're stats grow. So, again, wath is goin' on here?! I am pissed! If you need to know who I am, here[[User:Dragonbeastx|Dragonbeastx]] 06:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)...............
:Base stats are NOT multiples of 5. Dragonite's base Attack is 134, not 135. Its base HP is 91, not 90. Trust me, the stats were fine before you came along. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 10:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

In the trivia section it says there is not a horn on the Generation I sprites but... uh... there is definitely a horn. In the Red and Blue sprite it's there inbetween those antennae things. I would delete the whole comment, but I got in trouble for deleting obviously wrong stuff before, so... I'm writing here. I think someone below mentioned it, but I wasn't sure if this was the same issue.

No, there are no horns on the Generation I sprites. I think you saw Dragonites left wing behind its head and thought it was a horn. In Yellow, the 'horn' you saw might have been the very tip of the bend in its wings. Dragonite is definantely hornless in Generation I. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Yes, there is such a thing called "fairy dragon"... ==
[http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/CoffeeFool/Celtic/Celtic_fairy_purple.jpg] [http://image63.webshots.com/163/0/76/44/526407644foadgM_ph.jpg]
[http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/mysticalone6304/fairydragonpurple.jpg]
Should I bring more?
--[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 11:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

== Should we add ==

Should we add that Dragonite had the Highest ATK Of all the Non-Legendary Dragon Type Pokemon until the Introduction Of Salamence [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:No, because that's getting really specific, and is generally not so notable.[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 20:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

It says the first time Dragonite appears is in Mewtwo Strikes Back, but one does appear in Mystery at the Lighthouse. A giant one as mentioned. Shouldn't this be considered the first appearence. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Coldshrike}} ([[User talk:Coldshrike|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coldshrike|contribs]]) ''
:Well it's listed [[List of Pokémon by anime debut|here]] as such, so I'll fix that up for you. PS, sign those comments! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::Dude, it was already there... read better next time. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Smaller then Dragonair? ==

I think the entry in the trivia that Dragonite is smaller then it's preevolution is very misleading. Although Dragonair is 'taller', due to it being a snake-like dragon, Dragonite is clearly larger (this is supported by it weighing more then 10 times as much). Maybe it should be changed to 'Shorter then it's preevolution', or removed entirely. Derian 14:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Origins of Dragonite family ==

I remember reading a long time ago somewhere that Dragonite was based partially on a dolphin, which makes sense with his close association with water, body and head appearance, and high intelligence.
I've also always acknowledged that Dratini seems based almost directly on an eel. It looks like one, lives in the water, and even in the first generation, it could learn Thunder Wave and other electrical attacks, hinting at being based on electric eels.
Is there any way we could add these into their origins sections, saying that the were also somewhat based on them and citing that evidence?
--[[User:Elements806|Elements806]] 14:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It is said that this Pokémon constantly flies over the immense seas and rescues drowning people.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia. Similar Japanese Dragon to Dragonite. ==

Japanese Sea-dragon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kuniyoshi_Utagawa,_Dragon_2.jpg

An alar dragon exists in the picture of Japan. It becomes Sea-dragon if kairyu is translated, and it agrees to the name of a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 21:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Accidentily refered Dragonite as a legendary pokemon ==

In the Episode Enter the Dragonite on the Dragon DVD I believe it is volume 8 the last episode called Enter the Dragonite the announcer during the battle refers to it as a legendary pokemon although this was probably an error in the English dub since I do not know what he said the the Japanese one so I am not sure if they made the same error but would this be worth noting in the trivia section? {{unsigned|Marchbaby}}

I went ahead and added it since it has been 3 day with no reply. Feel free to rewrite it or to make any nessicary changes.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 16:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Another Dragonite/Lugia connection ==

In the anime episode, [[A Parent Trapped!]], an episode featuring Lugia, the answer for the [[Who's that Pokémon?]] is Dragonite. Is this worth mentioning? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Do you meant the English or Japanese one? Because by that time in the anime, the english one became completely random. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::Really? Well, I just watched the English one on pokémon.com, and it was Dragonite, and on the page for the episode it shows the answer for that episode as Dragonite. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:26, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I think Vuvuzela2010 means "random" as in "having no connection to the content of the episode," not as in "varying every time the episode is shown." —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Underleveled ==

Should it be mentioned in the trivia that Dragonite can be caught underleveled at Dragonspiral Tower? [[User:King Riolu|King Riolu]] 23:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:There are tons of places where tons of different Pokémon can be caught underleveled, and we don't mention any of those. So no. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dragonite Wasn't Unknown at the Lighthouse... ==

So I'm watching the anime here from DVD, and I finished watching [[EP013|''Mystery at the Lighthouse'']], featuring what appears to be a giant Dragonite that [[Bill]] couldn't identify. However, in the very next episode, [[EP014|''Electric Shock Showdown'']], the Pokédex analyzes [[Lt. Surge]]'s {{p|Raichu}} and states it can generate enough voltage to bring down a Dragonite... Maybe the ocean was just too foggy that night to identify what it was? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 03:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:I think it's less Dragonite being unknown, and more the characters not realizing it's a Dragonite. After all, it's in silhouette and huge by comparison to normal Dragonite. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

== Kairyu ==

The Katakana and Romaji for Dragonite's name don't match. I believe It should either have Kairyū as Romaji or カイりゅ　as the Katakana, but I'm not sure which one is correct. {{unsigned|IVsaur}}
:What's there now is its official romanization. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 00:07, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
::Huh... That's kind of surprising to me, but I guess I'll let it be since it's the official. -[[User:IVsaur|EVs]][[Special:Contributions/IVsaur|and]][[User_Talk:IVsaur|IVsaurs]] 11:33, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

== Squished...? ==

On this page, the Dragonite picture is squished... this isn't the only page that the thumbnails are squished (one of the others is [[Meloetta]]), so I was wondering if the squishing is my browser's fault, or if there's actually something wrong with the pics that someone can fix. (Hey that rhymed!) [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:New images were uploaded. I guess it's just a caching issue. Wait a couple of days at most and it should have fixed itself. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
::It's been like this for two weeks... I've been waiting for that exact reason and I finally got annoyed. And also, apparently [[Meloetta]] isn't squished... it's [[Larvitar]]. I've been looking up those two Pokémon a lot today so I got confused. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:::If it's been going on for two weeks then it's probably not on the Bulbapedia side. The images were all fine until we started changing them a few days ago, and they'll fix themselves soon, once the servers sync. The Meloetta/Larvitar issue you mention also isn't happening for me, my guess would be a caching issue of some sort in your browser. Try clearing your cache (Ctrl + F5 for Windows, Cmd + F5 for Mac in most browsers). If all images are stretched/squashed, make sure that your screen resolution setting is the right one for your monitor, a widescreen resolution on a non-widescreen monitor (or vice versa) would cause stretching. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

== Dragonite Skull in Ambrette Town research facility ==

So, is it too "speculatory" to state that the skull on the top shelf in the Ambrette Town research facility is that of a Dragonite's?

The shape of the skull and even the "horn" are all identical to Dragonite's [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:...So? It's a skull, sitting on a shelf. You can't interact with it and it's never mentioned. Why's it worth noting? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 13:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
::There is no need for an attitude, and its notworthy because its not everyday we get to see a Pokémon Skull beyond the cubone line. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:12, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:::The only attitude is one of mild confusion. As I said, the game gives no importance to it and it's not particularly interesting, so why should it be noted? While skulls aren't as common, it ''is'' an everyday occurrence for things in the Pokémon world to come from or look like Pokémon. Parfum Palace has several statues of Pokémon, but they're not notable enough for a trivia point, especially not on their species' pages; they're simply something in the background, being decorative. This isn't even the first time a dragon's skull {{DL|List of key items in Generation V|Dragon Skull|has been shown}} in the games, so it's not like we've never seen one before. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 19:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
::::You just made it notable, if not on this article, then on that article since it's clear that item is the same skull as seen on the shelf. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::I fail to see how Glik made it notable. The only thing that has been proven is that it isn't the only skull in the game. All it is is just a bit of noise to fill the void. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Because it was an Item in Gen V, now its a visual element in the Gen VI games. Ok its like how the truck in gen I had the mew rumors and the remakes in Gen III put a Lava Cookie there as a somewhat Easter egg and acknowledgment to those old rumors. Something is made notable from something from the past. For all we know Lenora sent the skull off to be research and it ended up in the lab. That's speculation I know, but anything is possible. After all these games take place after the others (so much for RSE remakes, but R2S2 still possible) so who knows. Regardless, it still bears the likeness of Dragonite, and I think its worth noting on either or both articles this likeness. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:45, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== Getting an Error Message? ==

I know this isn't the most relevant place to ask, but on some pages, the pictures won't load, and give me this error message:
Error creating thumbnail: convert: no decode delegate for this image format `/tmp/magick--xMnp6WD' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.
convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_e71fe8d8de34-1.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011.
I've tried searching the error up, and everyone says it's an error on ImageMagick, which from my understanding is a program MediaWiki uses? Nowhere have I found a solution, and today is the first time I've seen this error on these pages. Could someone help? [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 03:38, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon League (Kalos)

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ArtistKyurem: /* Flood Chamber */

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|mapdesc=This path is open only to those who can best every Pokémon Gym in the Kalos region.
|league=Kalos
|elite1=Wikstrom
|elite1type=Steel
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|elite2=Malva
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|champion=Diantha
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The '''Pokémon League''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンリーグ''' ''Pokémon League'') of [[Kalos]] is the location of the region's {{DL|Elite Four|Kalos Elite Four}}, who may only be challenged after defeating all eight Kalos [[Gym Leader]]s. It is located on a large hill north of the {{OBP|Victory Road|Kalos}}.

Getting to the Pokémon League requires obtaining all 8 Gym Badges, showing them to the guard at the entrance of the Victory Road, defeating him in a battle, and then passing through a large mountain/highland area. Once through, the {{player}} will be able to enter the League, consisted by the League's [[Pokémon Center]]/[[Poké Mart]] and the castle where the Elite Four and the {{pkmn|Champion}} reside. After making through the entrance hall, the player is greeted by [[Malva]], who congratulates them for defeating [[Team Flare]], after which she will retreat to her chamber to wait for the player's arrival. From the main hall, four different doors lead to four different chambers: the first door on the left leads to the Ironworks Chamber, hosted by the {{t|Steel}} type expert [[Wikstrom]]; the first door on the right leads to the Blazing Chamber, hosted by the {{t|Fire}} type expert Malva; the second door on the left leads to the Dragonmark Chamber, hosted by the {{t|Dragon}} type expert [[Drasna]]; and the second door on the right leads to the Flood Chamber, hosted by the {{t|Water}} expert [[Siebold]]. After defeating all four members, the great door at the north end of the main hall will open, allowing the player to enter the Radiant Chamber to face the Pokémon League Champion, [[Diantha]].

==Demographics==
Kalos's Pokémon League has a population of 12.

==Poké Mart==
{{shop|Generation VI}}
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==Structure==
All the Chambers at the Pokémon League consist of small entrance chambers, which can still be exited once entered. In the middle of the entrance chambers, a small stone platform acts as an elevator, taking the player to the actual battling chamber once stepped onto. Once the battle is over, the platform can be stepped onto again, bringing the player back to the main hall.

===Entrance hall===
In the entrance hall, two Trainers will provide the player with basic information about the Elite Four. Two large passageways decorated with numerous paintings lead the player to the doors leading into the main hall.

===Main hall===
In the main hall, the player is initially greeted by the Elite Four member Malva, who will then retreat into her Chamber to wait. The main hall is a large, dark room, lighted only by the light coming from a window at the end of the hall. The main hall has four entrances, each of them leading to an Elite Four member's Chamber. After defeating an Elite Four member, the player will be transported back to the main hall, where the defeated member's door is closed and the torches on each side of the door have died out. Once all the Elite Four members have been defeated, a large pair of doors will open at the north end of the main hall, allowing the player to enter the Radiant Chamber to face the Champion.

===Ironworks Chamber===
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| colspan="2" | [[File:Ironworks Chamber XY.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
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In the Ironworks Chamber (Japanese: '''鋼鉄の間''' ''Steel Room''), the Elite Four member is initially covered by huge metal walls. As soon as the player enters the chamber, however, two giant blades descend down from the ceiling and into two slots meant for them at the floor, and then turn 90 degrees, causing the wall to first flash with green light and then come down, sinking into the floor. The blades then turn another 90 degrees, raising a round wall around the arena. As the player approaches the Elite Four member, Wikstrom, he will step down from his throne to face them.

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|move4=Iron Head|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
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===Blazing Chamber===
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|- style="background:#000"
| colspan="2" | [[File:Blazing Chamber XY.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{fire color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}
In the Blazing Chamber (Japanese: '''火炎の間''' ''Flame Room''), on the left and right side of the platform, two huge pipes reside. At first, they are dormant, but once the player enters the Chamber, the pipes initially puff up two small flames each, before sending two huge pillars of fire into the ceiling, raging the whole time the player remains at the Chamber. The Elite Four member, Malva, is resting on her throne, and will stay sitting there, making the player come to her.

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===Dragonmark Chamber===
{| class=roundy style="margin:right; background: #{{dragon color}}; border: 3px solid #{{dragon color dark}}"
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|- style="background:#000"
| colspan="2" | [[File:Dragonmark Chamber XY.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}
In the Dragonmark Chamber (Japanese: '''竜章の間''' ''Dragon Emblem Room''), the room is first filled with blue mist, which clears as soon as the player enters the Chamber. Two giant structures shaped like a dragon's wings spread wide open, and a cover shaped like a dragon's head lifts up, revealing the Elite Four member. Two pipes on each side the player then start emitting some sort of incense into the air. The Elite Four member, Drasna, is standing in front of her throne, gladly greeting the player as they approach her.

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===Flood Chamber===
{| class=roundy style="margin:right; background: #{{water color}}; border: 3px solid #{{water color dark}}"
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! style="background:#{{Y color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon X and Y|Y}}
|- style="background:#000"
| colspan="2" | [[File:Flood Chamber XY.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{water color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}
In the Flood Chamber (Japanese: '''水門の間''' ''Floodgate Room''), two chains connected to hollow, screw-shaped pillars reside on each side of the platform. Once entering the chamber, the chains get pulled down, while the both pillars spin upwards, soon coming to a halt. The pillars then spout out large masses of water, which also starts pouring down from the roof line, flooding the entire Chamber. The Elite Four member, Siebold, initially has his back to the player, but will turn around once approached, asking the player if they would ever consider Pokémon battling as a work of art. Once the answer is given, the battle quickly begins.

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===Radiant Chamber===
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| colspan="2" | [[File:Radiant Chamber XY.png|250px]]
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
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In the Radiant Chamber (Japanese: '''光の間''' ''Light Room''), the player will initially enter an entrance hall that is much larger than the previous entrance halls, shaped like a throne room of a castle. In the battling chamber, wide windows spread light across the room, covered by light, transparent white veils. The floor is covered by colorful, abstract paintings, representing the Pokémon [[type]]s. In front of the platform, the Champion, Diantha, will greet the player before battling them.

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===Hall of Fame===
{{main|Hall of Fame}}
Once defeated, the Champion and the player will step onto the platform once again, taking them one more level upwards to the Hall of Fame. At the end of the small room, the player will place all of their Poké Balls on a machine that records the data of their Pokémon.

==Trivia==
* The Kalos Pokémon League contains the highest-[[level]] Pokémon initially battled at any Pokémon League, with the Elite Four and the Champion's strongest Pokémon being at levels 65 and 68, respectively.

==In other languages==
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|de=Pokémon Liga
|fr_eu=Ligue Pokémon
|it=Lega Pokémon
|ko=포켓몬리그 ''Pokémon League''
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{{League}}
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[[Category:Kalos locations]]
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[[Category:Cities]]
[[Category:Battle areas]]
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Talk:Cerulean Cave

2014-01-18T02:29:28Z

ArtistKyurem: /* File:Mewtwo FRLG.png */ new section

After I beat the Elite Four and then red (in LeafGreen) the character guarding the cave still said that I couldn't enter it. Is there something else I must do? --[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 21:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:Get 60 Pokémon in the Kanto Dex. Get the National Dex from Oak. Go to the Sevii Islands. Get the Ruby. Beat Team Rocket one last time. Get the Sapphire. Activate trading with RSE with Celio's machine. Go get Mewtwo. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Name Debut ==

Is it possible for someone to check a [[Town Map]] (the actual item) in {{2v2|Red|Blue}} while in the cave to see the name that appears there? I personally know from doing such a task in {{v2|Yellow}} that the ingame name was "Cerulean Cave" there, but I don't know whether or not it's the same for Yellow's predecessors...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's "Cerulean Cave" in Red/Blue. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

::Then it appears that "Unknown Dungeon" was the name used in print material to hide the final surprise. After all, you really don't want people knowing the last location in the game right at the start, do you? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

== Mewtwo confirmed for HG/SS ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA9ApQQ1Abk Source]

Pokemon Sunday aired a little while ago and confirmed Mewtwo will appear in HG/SS but they didn't say where it would appear though. But it could be possible it could be in the Cerulean Cave if it reopened in Generation IV. Would it be ok if I put "IV?" on the generations tab in the info box on the top right of the page? If not, that's ok. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 02:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, the Mewtwo info is false. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 22:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Besrerk Gene? ==

OK, so the cave is still there in HG/SS, but what about the Berserk Gene? Is there still a way to get it in the remakes?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 23:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:Serebii's HGSS item list doesn't have the Berserk Gene so I doubt it. --[[User:TintedLens|TintedLens]] 03:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
::Besides, the item would be broken if it were to have been included with the same effect as in [[Generation II]]. Equip it on a Pokémon with {{a|Own Tempo}}, and it'd basically get a free Attack boost just for coming in with no side effects. {{p|Purugly}} and {{p|Lickilicky}}, and to a slightly lesser degree {{p|Slowpoke}}'s evolved forms, could become physical beasts right out of the gate. Even {{p|Smeargle}} would benefit, and its Attack isn't anything to write home about.

::(Just for the record, it could also combo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, but would have limited use since the confusion would wear off eventually, shutting off the effect of the ability.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

== Hey, does anybody know what happens to make Mewtwo appear in Gen. IV? ==

The headline is my question.
-[[User:?????|The]] [[User talk:?????|Marks]]

== This page needs expansion ==

Mulitple items are missng on the listing for HeartGold/SoulSilver. [[TM24]], as well as the Electrizer are marked to be in here, yet their specific location isn't. The only reason I ask is cause my strongest guy is {{p|Electabuzz}} and I'd really like to get the Electrizer before Electivire learns Giga Impact. If anyone could even let me know where it is, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Merc354|Merc354]] 09:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't doubt that the page is outdated. We are still missing a huge amount of HGSS information (srsly, guys, edit the pages!). Perhaps you could look around the cave, find out where it is yourself and then put the information on the wiki? I'm sure that would help other people out. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Kinda hard to do when you don't know how to do the fancy stuff here on the wiki. Pretty much the reason why we're saying it here so that the people who DO know how to do it can input the data. I'm trying to find out where in Cerulean Cave TM24 can be found, but of course, it's not in here yet. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 02:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I added in a few items that I found on my way through to Mewtwo. Heres a few tips to do stuff on here, look at other codes on the same page and copy/paste it, it'll come out exactly the same (unless there is something you missed off and didn't know about it) Also, the Electrizer is in the basement right above Mewtwo in the Rock Climb section. --[[User:Sam6555|Sam6555]] 17:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Poliwhirl? ==

I've counted 9 Gyarados and upwards of 20 Poliwags from Super Rod fishing in the water closest to the cave entrance. I'm questioning the accuracy of "30% Poliwhirl". [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:From 'whirl's page "and Cerulean Cave (Surfing)" -_- Well thanks. Maybe that should be changed. [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::They aren't there either. I'm being trolled. [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sometimes the game just hates you. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

: It is not accurate, no. Firstly, it depends on the time of day (like for e.g. Corsola on [[Johto Route 34]]). The in-game Pokédex lists Cerulean Cave as one of the Kanto locations for Poliwhirl, but only during the morning and day, ''not'' at night. Even that aside, the percentages seem inaccurate. I've used the Super Rod at this location 100 times during morning, day and night and I found:
:# morning: 42 Poliwag, 25 Poliwhirl and 33 Gyarados
:# day: 36 Poliwag, 33 Poliwhirl and 31 Gyarados
:# night: 69 Poliwag, no Poliwhirl and 31 Gyrados
: This differs significantly from what it currently says in the article, but my figures are not statistically accurate enough, so what now? Elsewhere on this talk page someone mentions "wild data extractors". I don't know who they are, but could they look into this? [[User:PlusleFan|PlusleFan]] 11:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese version Pokémon? ==

So I'm playing my copy of Green right now, and filling the Pokédex. I tried to use Super Rod in the first room to get Slowbro and Seadra, but all I could fish was like 18 Kingler (a Pokémon which isn't even listed here), and about 2 Seaking... So I suppose the Pokémon spread isn't exactly the same in the Japanese version. Is there a way to correct this or something?
I also haven't met any Golbat in the same room on the ground (which appears 25% of the time according to this page), but I did meet several Hypno, Magneton, Venomoth, and a Sandslash. --[[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 18:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:You'll have to make a new section for Green using the previously established tables as your style guideline. Have fun? :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::An entirely new table, or just a new column in the old one? Also, how do I get to know the exact percentages some Pokémon come at? [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 16:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::And before anyone makes a new template for JP Green, shouldn't someone make sure JP Red has the same Pokémon as U.S. Red? If we're wrong about Green, we could be wrong about a lot more. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the Japanese Red is to the English Red what Green is to the English Blue. So the two Red versions have the same Pokémon, except for some little changes that our Blue also has from the Japanese Green. I'm not sure, but I've bought a Japanese Red from eBay already, and when it arrives, I'll check. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 18:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::JP green is same as US blue. Only the JP blue is different. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 06:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::No, they are not the same. For one, the Pokémon in the Cerulean Cave are different. I suppose that there may be other places with slightly different Pokémon, too. Also, the graphics and the entire layout of the Cerulean Cave are different. I've also noticed that the intro has probably different sound effects. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 16:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But the wild Pokémon between the two should be the same. If one of our wild data extractors could check if the wild Pokémon (specifically in Cerulean Cave) vary between JP Green and International Blue, that would be nice. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== Rock Smash in Gen IV ==

I'm noticing a missing listing in the Gen IV pokemon list for Cerulean Cave. In particular, it doesn't list Rock Smash pokemon.

I know, at minimum, that there's Geodude to be found through Rock Smash. I'd expect that you can also find Graveler, based on the fact that both Geodude and Graveler were able to be found via Rock Smash in Cerulean Cave in Gen III. Didn't want to just add it directly, without having done further checking, and don't have the patience to do it myself, right now. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
::I don't actually think you can get geodude or graveler in 2F. I've checked on both Psypokes and Serebii and both don't mention it. [[User:Cafeolay|Cafeolay]] ([[User talk:Cafeolay|talk]]) 01:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Ditto level problem? ==

I just encountered a level 40 Ditto in 1F of Cerulean Cave in HG, but the page says they can only be level 39. {{Unsigned|Ipodboqi}}
:Well then, change it. Anyone can edit as long as you have an account. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 15:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

== Collision. ==

Can someone still be able to check if [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l53We4QU820 this] is an actual reproducable glitch or just my game? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Unknown Dungeon in Kalos. ==

I want to create a page for the Unknown Dungeon in the Pokemon Village in X/Y. I've noticed that there's a Unknown Dungeon (Mystery Dungeon) but given the circumstances I would rather changed Unknown Dungeon from a redirect to the Kalos page and put at the top of this page that it is also known as the Unknown Dungeon.

Should I create the page as Unknown Dungeon (Kalos) or somesuch or use the redirect. -[[User:From Beyond the Stars|Stars]] [[User talk:From Beyond the Stars|talk]] 02:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Before using the redirect, the disambiguation or anything of the sort, it would be best to have the article created in a subpage of yours (Example: User:From Beyond the Stars/Unknown Dungeon (Kalos)). Uh, and... this has nothing to do with Cerulean Cave. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 02:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It is relevant because "Unknown Dungeon" redirects here, because it was an alternate name for it in Generation I and is still in common use for fans who grew up with those games. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. Well, anyways, it's better to create the article on a subpage and propose it for mainspacing. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 03:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Just add a section for the Unknown Dungeon on the Pokémon Village page. It's not relevant enough for its own page as there are no other Pokémon there aside from Mewtwo. As for a redirect, how about a disambiguous page instead? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== File:Mewtwo FRLG.png ==

This file is incorrectly labeled as a screenshot of HeartGold and SoulSilver.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Mewtwo_FRLG.png -[[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 02:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Doom Desire (move)

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ArtistKyurem: /* Gen III Animation */

== Japanese translation ==

There is currently no Japanese text for the name of this move. This needs to be corrected and redirected to the current title. Kkllnn, where are you getting the Japanese if it is not on here? [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:I am getting it from the top of the move infobox.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 22:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, I see. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Only Jirachi? ==

I believe I have seen this move used before in a game, but I have never had or seen a Jirachi. Anyone know how this is possible? --[[User:Jordan042|Jordan042]] 17:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:{{m|Metronome}} [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Could Sketch copy the move? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 14:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

:Sketch can copy anything except Struggle and shadow moves, provided the conditions are right. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I've got a video of doom desire.Give me an email address and i'll send it. {{unsigned|Kevincherian727}}

== Gen III Animation ==
While I do like the name Woona, should nicknamed Pokémon really be shown in the animation? [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 01:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
: It doesn't really affect anything important, it's there to show the animation, not that Jirachi can use it. - [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 06:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Doom Desire (move)

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ArtistKyurem: /* Gen III Animation */

Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)

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ArtistKyurem: /* Design trivia: Relation to Anti-Matter, and Lovecraft Mythos and other sources */

{{Forme info|487{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0||O}}.png|Ghost|Dragon|[[Form differences#Giratina|Giratina's Formes]]|Giratina as though it were in the {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|[[Pokémon world]]|[[Distortion World]] or holding a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}}}}, therefore being in its {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Altered|Origin}} Forme|the artwork shown in the infobox, the anime image shown, the manga image shown, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the Pokéathlon stats entry which is unhidden, and the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden|hour}}

==Previous discussions==
* [[Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1]]

== Origin(s) section should be revamped ==

I searched and searched, but found no info on "Garathena". Nor do I see why the word "Giraffe" would have any bearing on its name. The rest of the info seems fine except for the whole Izami thing, I don't see how that relates to Giratina at all. [[User:EmptyStar|EmptyStar]] 00:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:Instead of giraffe, why not replace it with {{wp|qilin}} (''kirin'' in Japanese) instead? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 15:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::Becasue nothing in the name "Giratina" seems to sound anything like quilin/ kirin. [[User:EmptyStar|EmptyStar]] 04:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
It's long neck is probably why it was associated with giraffe. Is it me, or does Giratina resemble Deathscythe from Gundam Wing?[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 09:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== An Altered "Altered Forme" ==

Why does Giratina's Altered Forme's wings seem to differ from game to game? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 04:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== So wait... ==
Does a Giratina from the Dream World not change its ability when it changes form? Or are we missing an ability somehow? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Giratina (Origin)'s Hidden Ability is technically also Levitate, similar to {{P|Flygon}}. A Telepathy Giratina given a Griseous Orb will have Levitate, and it will revert to Telepathy when the Orb is removed. I imagine the distinction of why Flygon has an explicitly-stated yet identical Hidden Ability in the code is due to Flygon being capable of breeding, to still get Sheer Force {{P|Trapinch}}es, while Giratina has no such complication. - [[User:Saethori|Saethori]] 03:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina is related to the Shinto shrine. ==

The legends associated with it are similar to those of {{wp|Izanami}}, former wife of the kami {{wp|Izanagi}}. When she died of severe burns from giving birth to a fire god, she went to the underworld, from which Izanagi tried, but failed, to retrieve her, as she had already accepted her fate.

The person who notices that shrine is a Shinto shrine is a little. Describe it if there is a legend that looks like. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture but various other cultures are also added and mixed.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=152]

1 shrine(HOKORA/Shinto shrine). The relation is hinted by "[[Celestic Town]] shrine(Wall painting of cave) ".

2 The world of YOMI. (The world where the dead exist)

3 IZANAMI becomes a ghost. Giratina is a ghost type.

4 IZANAMI becomes a god in the country of YOMI.

Giratina is similar to another legend of izanami. "Jo The Marten
" did an unjust deletion. The explanation is requested from him. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:I may be mis-interpreting some points because of the language barrier, but I can see a few flaws in the relation. Firstly, the distortion world ''isn't'' a world where the dead exist. Secondly, I'm not sure Giratina is the "god" of the distortion world. It was banished there, and it's the only thing that lives there. That doesn't make it a god of that area. Also, all Pokémon world mythology in the games is delivered through a major character or an old man/woman. The old woman who talks about the cave paintings is no different from any other old woman in the game, making any comparison based on her rather flawed. If I'm understanding things correctly, the link between that legend and Giratina is tenuous at best.

:Also, if something you add is removed and you disagree with the removal, please don't re-add it to the page. Wait for the talk page discussion to take place first. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

::Dialga and Palkia are called a god(KAMI) in a Japanese version.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_world]. With similar power, it is suitable that Giratina is called KAMI(However, it is not actually called KAMI. ).

::I think the relation to the legend of Shintoism because there is a point of contact in the Shinto shrine. However, I think that other legends mix(not Japanese legend). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Design trivia: Relation to Anti-Matter, and Lovecraft Mythos and other sources ==

1.Giratina invokes the dark matter, or anti-matter aspect of the universe, as well as the parallel dimensions theories of the universe. Hey, if you're going to talk about space and time, don't forget other dimensions.

2.While Dialga and Palkia look like dinosaurs of the past, Giratina invokes the horror of Lovecraftian other dimensional monsters.

3.Giratina's two forms are based on that Pokemon world and Distortion world being somewhat opposite. While the D world is slim, snake, spider like, the pokemon world version is bulky, batty, basilisk like.

4. The banishment of a rebellious god-like pokemon into the darkness is an obvious yet implied reference to the fallen angel of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

5. Giratina's typing could be seen as rivaling that of non plate, normal Arceus.They both are immune to each other.

6. Giratina's forms invoke aspects of creatures that are dreaded in western culture. (Snakes, bats, spiders, worms, scorpions, etc)

7. Giratina's pokemon world form does invoke the idea of dinosaurs keeping in line with Dialga and Palkia, all three being ancient.
[[User:ZoroFan|ZoroFan]] ([[User talk:ZoroFan|talk]]) 03:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

: Hey, so... You know, for your first point, how is it possible to forget dimensions if you're already talking about space? That's like forgetting electricity is part of what makes electronics work... Also, there are 2 mentions of antimatter in the article already. -[[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 06:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

== Satan? ==

1. Six spikes around it's neck in both formes

2. Six claws on it's wings in both formes.

3. Six legs in Altered Forme, six spikes in Origin Forme.

In other words, aside from the backstory we already know about Giratina, each of what I mentioned above are references to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast Number of the Beast], in other words, 666. If any of this leads to anything, Giratina is essentially intended as the Pokemon parallel of Satan. I mean think about it, what I pointed out above, it's backstory of being banished to the Distortion World by Arceus (Who is God mind you), and it's appearance in old cemeteries, all of which can be considered enough evidence to at least put Satan in it's design origin, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
:I can't see the sixes as being anything but coincidental. Arceus is not based on the Judeo-Christian God; it's an amalgamation of many different creator deities. I'm against mentioning Satan specifically in Giratina's article, but I wouldn't be against citing some sort of figure/archetype that opposes or is rebuked by the main or creator deity in a broader spectrum of religions (but I don't know enough about religious studies to know the common name for what I'm trying to describe). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

== Please help! ==

So I've been wanting to put in a <code>[show]</code> on another page (that won't change to <code>[hide]</code> after a while), but how do I do it? {{unsigned|Pokéglare}}