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Fearow (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=normal | type2=flying | prevnum=021 | nextnum=023 | prev=Spearow | next=Ekans }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Fearow |
pron=<sc>''feer''-oh</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=オニドリル |
tmname=Onidrill |
image=022Fearow.png |
size=220px|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=022 |
jdex=014 |
hdex=224 |
fdex=040 |
adex=113 |
typen=2 |
type1=Normal |
type2=Flying |
species=Beak |
height-ftin=3'11" |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=83.8 |
weight-kg=38.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Keen Eye |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Flying |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evsp=2 |
expyield=162 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=90 |
body=09 |
pokefordex=fearow |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Fearow''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''オニドリル ''' ''Onidrill'') is a dual-type {{2t|Normal|Flying}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Spearow}} starting at [[level]] 20.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Fearow is a large, mostly brown cormorant-like bird with a vulturine neck. It has a large, long, pink pointed beak and a red {{wp|coxcomb_(ornithology)|coxcomb}} upon its head. It has shaggy feathers on the base of its neck and in a vaguely cape-like pattern between its two huge wings. The cape itself is cream in color, as are the tips of its wings. Its nailed talons are pink, with three toes pointing forward and one pointing backward.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
They have large, strong beaks, giving them strong attacks such as {{m|Drill Peck}} and {{m|Fury Attack}}. It also can fly very quickly and very elegantly when it senses danger.

===Behavior===
Fearow builds its nest on highly elevated areas; they are commonly seen on the peaks of rock spires near canyons. Very tall trees can make a useful substitute for their nests. They are highly territorial and quick to anger, often attacking those who tread too near to their nests.
===Habitat===
[[Image:Roughterrain.gif|left|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Rough-terrain Pokémon}}]]
Fearow naturally live in badlands consisting of rough terrain, such as desolate wastelands and fields.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Fearow are vicious predators and swoop down from above, grabbing their prey and taking it to their nests. They generally eat bugs and rodents, as they prefer to avoid any type of plant. Fearow have been known to attack {{P|Pichu}}, {{P|Rattata}}, and {{P|Pidgey}}, it is presumed that they may prey on these Pokémon. Fearow also eat Pokémon food.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Fearow anime.png|250px|thumb|right|Fearow in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
The {{p|Spearow}} who attacked Ash in [[EP001|the first episode]] evolved before ''[[EP081|Pallet Party Panic]]''. {{AP|Pidgeotto}} evolved to {{p|Pidgeot}} to defeat it.

Two Fearow appeared under the ownership of {{OBP|Tyson|Team Rocket}} in ''[[EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution]]'' and ''[[EP236|Rage Of Innocence]]''.

[[Rico]], the [[Pokémon poacher]], owns a Fearow in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Fearow was first seen in a [[Pokémon Center]] in ''[[EP030|Sparks Fly for Magnemite]]''.

A Fearow appears in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''.

{{Gary}} owns a Fearow, as seen in his profile in ''[[EP259|The Ties That Bind]]''.

In ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', an unknown {{pkmn|Trainer}} tried to ride a Fearow to {{an|Mewtwo}}'s Island. This Trainer never turns up on the island, unlike the others who set out. {{an|Mewtwo}} also uses one to scout for powerful Trainers.

A Fearow attacks a Pidgey in ''[[EP164|Carrying On!]]'' and ''[[EP211|Fly Me to the Moon]]'', Pichu in ''[[EP179|The Apple Corp!]]'' and Team Rocket in ''[[EP189|Freeze Frame]]'' and ''[[EP202|The Big Balloon Blow-Up]]''.

A Fearow also appeared in ''[[AG188|Pinch Healing!]]''.

[[Jack Walker]] [[Capture Styler|used]] a nearby Fearow to help Pikachu recover the {{P|Manaphy}} Egg stolen by [[Team Rocket]] in ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]''.

A colony of Fearow appeared in ''[[DP013|A Staravia is Born!]]''

[[Paul]] attempted to capture a Fearow in ''[[DP046|A Maze-ing Race!]]'' By the end of the episode, it is unclear whether or not he succeeds.

A Fearow appeared in ''[[DP118|Pursuing a Lofty Goal!]]'' as one of the participants of [[PokéRinger]] competition.

Several Fearow appeared in [[DP130|Frozen on Their Tracks!]].

Another Fearow also appeared in [[DP140|Historical Mystery Tour!]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Kanto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP081|Fearow|Ash's Pokédex|Fearow, the Beak Pokémon. The evolved form of {{p|Spearow}}. Its large, powerful wings allow it to {{m|fly}} for an entire day. The crushing power of its beak is tremendous.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Kanto}}

==In the manga==
[[Rin and Ran|Ran]] has a pair of Fearow she used to attack [[Shū]] in [[Pokémon Get da ze!]]

Ash had a {{AP|Fearow}} he caught in the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]]. It was his first capture, and he gave it the nickname, "Fearless," although it wasn't very obedient towards him.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Fearow debuts in the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}} in ''[[PS009|...But Fearow Itself!]]'' when a wild one kidnaps a mutated [[Bill]]. After being stopped by an {{t|Ice}} attack from {{p|Poliwhirl}}, Red catches it. Its most powerful move is {{m|Drill Peck}}.

[[Professor Oak]] also owns a Fearow that evolved from a {{p|Spearow}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Fearow (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
*{{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: Fearow is [[Spenser (Ranger)|Spenser]]'s partner Pokémon.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|gen=1
|type=normal
|type2=flying
|redbluedex=With its huge and magnificent wings, it can keep aloft without ever having to land for rest.
|yellowdex=A Pokémon that dates back many years. If it senses danger, it flies high and away, instantly.
|stadiumdex=A Pokémon that enjoys flying. It uses its broad wings to adroitly catch the wind to soar elegantly into the sky.
|golddex=It shoots itself suddenly high into the sky, then plummets down in one fell swoop to strike its prey.
|silverdex=It cleverly uses its thin, long beak to pluck and eat small insects that hide under the ground.
|crystaldex=It uses its long beak to attack. It has a surprisingly long reach, so it must be treated with caution.
|stadium2dex=It shoots itself suddenly high into the sky, then plummets down in one fell swoop to strike its prey.
|rubydex=Fearow is recognized by its long neck and elongated beak. They are conveniently shaped for catching prey in soil or water. It deftly moves its long and skinny beak to pluck prey.
|sapphiredex=Fearow is recognized by its long neck and elongated beak. They are conveniently shaped for catching prey in soil or water. It deftly moves its long and skinny beak to pluck prey.
|emeralddex=Its long neck and elongated beak are ideal for catching prey in soil or water. It deftly moves this extended and skinny beak to pluck prey.
|firereddex=Its huge and magnificent wings can keep it aloft in the sky. It can remain flying a whole day without landing.
|leafgreendex=With its huge and magnificent wings, it can keep aloft without ever having to land for rest.
|diamonddex=It has the stamina to fly all day on its broad wings. It fights using its sharp beak.
|pearldex=It has the stamina to keep flying all day on its broad wings. It fights using its sharp beak.
|platinumdex=It has the stamina to fly all day on its broad wings. It fights using its sharp beak.
|heartgolddex=It shoots itself suddenly high into the sky, then plummets down in one fell swoop to strike its prey.
|soulsilverdex=It cleverly uses its thin, long beak to pluck and eat small insects that hide under the ground.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=normal |
type2=flying |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Uncommon |
rbarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, and {{rtn|23}} |
yrarity=Uncommon |
yarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|16}}, {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, and {{rtn|23}} |
gsrarity=Uncommon |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|9}}, {{rtn|10}}, {{rtn|16}}, {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, and {{rtn|22}} |
crarity=Uncommon |
carea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|9}}, {{rtn|10}}, {{rtn|16}}, {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, {{rtn|22}}, and {{rtn|42}} |
gen3ex=frlg |
frlgrarity=Uncommon |
frlgarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, and {{rtn|23}}, [[Treasure Beach]], [[Kindle Road]], [[Mt. Ember]], [[Cape Brink]], [[Ruin Valley]], [[Water Path]], [[Canyon Entrance]], [[Sevault Canyon]] |
xdarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spearow}} |
dprarity=Common |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|225}}, {{rtn|226}}, and {{rtn|227}}, [[Stark Mountain]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|225}}, {{rtn|226}}, and {{rtn|227}}, [[Stark Mountain]] |
palarea=Field |
hgssrarity=Uncommon |
hgssarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|9}}, {{rtn|10}}, {{rtn|16}}, {{rtn|17}}, {{rtn|18}}, {{rtn|22}}, {{rtn|47}}, {{rtn|48}}, [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=normal
|type2=flying
|trozei=Secret Storage 18 Endless Level 23 Forever Level 23 Mr. Who's Den
|md=Evolve from {{p|Spearow}}
|ranger=[[Kisara Plains]]
|md2=[[Mt. Travail]] (1F-19F) [[Mt. Mistral]] (1F-19F)
|ranger2=[[Haruba Desert]]
|scramble=[[Windy Prairie‎]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=normal|type2=flying
|rby1=Berry|rby1type=Berries (Generation II)|rby1rar=100|rby1image=no
|gsc1=Sharp Beak|gsc1type=Type-enhancing item|gsc1rar=8
|rse1=Sharp Beak|rse1type=Type-enhancing item|rse1rar=5
|frlg1=Sharp Beak|frlg1type=Type-enhancing item|frlg1rar=5
|dppt1=Sharp Beak|dppt1type=Type-enhancing item|dppt1rar=5
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=65 |
Attack=90 |
Defense=65 |
SpAtk=61 |
SpDef=61 |
Special=61 |
Speed=100 |
type=Normal |
type2=Flying }}

====Pokéthlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Normal
|type2=Flying
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===

{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
type2=flying|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|normal|flying|4|1|Fearow}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Pluck|Flying|Physical|60|100|20|Cute|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Peck|Flying|Physical|35|100|35|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Fury Attack|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|5|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|9|Fury Attack|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|13|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|17|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|23|Mirror Move|Flying|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|29|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|35|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|41|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|47|Drill Peck|Flying|Physical|80|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{movelist/note|3|normal|flying}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|normal|flying|4|1|Fearow}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM47]]|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM51]]|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM88]]|Pluck|Flying|Physical|60|100|20|Cute|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM89]]|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM02]]|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM05]]|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|normal|flying}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|normal|flying|4|1|Fearow}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Zubat}}, {{p|Golbat}}, {{p|Crobat}} {{p|Murkrow}}, {{p|Honchkrow}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}}|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15|Smart|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Murkrow}}, {{p|Honchkrow}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Farfetch'd}}|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40|Cool|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Pidgeot}} {{p|Chatot}}|FeatherDance|Flying|Status|—|100|15|Beauty|2|||HGSS}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Pidgeot}} {{p|Doduo}}, {{p|Dodrio}} {{p|Taillow}}, {{p|Swellow}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Aerodactyl}}|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|90|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Noctowl}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Togekiss}}|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5|Cool|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dodrio}}|Tri Attack|Normal|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Doduo}}, {{p|Dodrio}} {{p|Chatot}}|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Pidgeotto}}, {{p|Pidgeot}} {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Staravia}}, {{p|Staraptor}}|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|normal|flying}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|normal|flying|4|1|Fearow}}
{{mtentry4|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|55|95|25|Cool|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|100|90|10|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sky Attack|Flying|Physical|140|90|5|Cool|1||'''|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|30|Smart|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|normal|flying}}

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=flying |
ndex=022 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Ravaged Field |
P1= I'm proud of these big wings. |
P2= My HP's been reduced to half. |
P3= No... These wings have taken too much damage. |
PL= I leveled up! I feel newfound power in my wings! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Flying |
typeA= Flying |
fieldpower= 0 |
field= None |
loop=6 |
MinEXP=N/A |
MaxEXP=N/A |
browser= Fearow flies about at high speed. It also whips up gusts to attack. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-4.5% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Flying |
typeA2= Flying |
field2= Cut |
field2power= 3 |
browser2= It flies around at high speed and charges to attack. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=021
|name1=Spearow
|type1-1=Normal
|type2-1=Flying
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=022
|name2=Fearow
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=normal|
type2=flying|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=022|
name=Fearow|
}}

==Trivia==
* In [[Generation IV]], Fearow weighs as much as the {{ga|Lucas|male protagonist}} of the game. It shares this characteristic with {{p|Skuntank}}, {{p|Togekiss}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}, and {{p|Yanma}}.
* In [[Generation III]], it was the only Pokémon who could not learn {{m|Aerial Ace}} by leveling up while its pre-evolution could.
* The English names of the {{p|Spearow}} family and {{p|Beedrill}} are almost reversed from the Japanese in that Beedrill is named Spear and Fearow, Spearow's evolution, is called Onidrill.

===Origin===
Its appearance may be vaguely based off of the {{wp|cormorant}}, or even more closely to that of an {{wp|anhinga}}, despite being birds of the water. It also shares characteristics with {{wp|chickens}} and {{wp|snipes}}.

====Name origin====
Fearow's name is a combination of the words ''fear'' and ''{{wp|sparrow}}''. Its Japanese name can be taken to mean 鬼ドリル, demon drill, although it is worth noting that the first four syllables can be taken to mean 鬼鳥 ''onidori'', demon bird.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Ibitak - From ''{{wp|Ibis}}'' and ''Attacke'' (attack).
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Rapasdepic - From ''rapace'' (predatory) and ''piquer'' (to swoop). Effectively translates as "swooping predator".
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 깨비드릴조 ''Kkaebideuriljo''
* [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 大嘴雀 ''Dài Zűi Qîao'' - Means "big-mouthed sparrow".
* [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 魔雀 ''Mó Que'' - Means "monster (or devil) sparrow".

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />

 

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=normal | type2=flying | prevnum=021 | nextnum=023 | prev=Spearow | next=Ekans }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are included in the Japan-only Pokémon Stadium]]
[[pl:Fearow]]

[[de:Ibitak]]
[[es:Fearow]]
[[fr:Rapasdepic]]
[[ja:オニドリル]]
[[pt:Fearow (pokémon)]]

Talk:Tier/Archive 1

2008-09-15T18:03:12Z

Antarctica: /* So what? */

*NOTE*: Before you make comments on a pokemons' tier, be sure the conditions are fair. Lower ranked pokemon can beat higher ranked pokemon. This does not mean the tiers need to be fixed. Just because a Butterfree can KO Heracross with Arial Ace does not mean that either pokemon is in the wrong tier. Thank you.

Does this even belong? I mean, sure, it's a good idea to have it, but... eh, I dunno. Either way, in the current state, the article is pretty crappy. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Are you sure about this? ==

As far as I can tell, by watching YouTube videos of Wi-Fi PBR battles, there are not this many tiers, and some Pokémon seem to be placed wrong. I've watched hundreds of battles, and not once have I seen an Aggron or Victreebel, both of which are listed as moderately used. On the other hand, I've seen lots of Pidgeot and Pachirisu, which are both in the never-used category according to this page. Who determined this list, and how did they determine it? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

* I believe it was based off some list posted at some website. I don't know which one. But at any rate, there are three things to consider. One, the rate at which things are used are not equal to how high something is on the tier list. Two, opinions of what goes into what tier vary. For instance, Smogon generally agrees Manaphy is uber tier. Third, technically, it is too early in the competitive battling scene to make a proper, full, tier list. In fact, for that reason alone, I believe this article should be deleted or at least changed to descriptions of each tier only until that time comes. [[User:System Error|System Error]] <nowiki></nowiki> 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::The site was probably Smogon, if you're wondering. Tiers are based mostly off of base stats, types and move pools for each Pokémon. For example, Skarmory is placed in Over Used because of its ability to take a hit and stay standing, due to high Defense and the Steel/Flying types, and its varied move pool. Also, I've never really seen a moderately used tier before, but it makes sense, especially after the changes to game play Diamond and Pearl have made. As a final note, I have also noticed that tiers change rapidly, based on current trends, play styles, and new discoveries. To make the article more accurate and appropriate, we could add a section on controversies, noting such debates as whether Manaphy, Celebi or Tyranitar qualify as Uber or not, and which Pokémon seem to hover between Overused and Borderline. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 00:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

* Also in the recent rush of Trick-Disable pokemon, pokemon such as Kecleon and Mr. Mime have gained a significant boost. I would say MU is fitting for these pokemon. And Sceptile could easily be BL since Worry Seed on Slaking was discovered. These two examples show how in the time between the creation of this list, and now, the metagame has already changed. Also from my personal standpoint, I have seen hundreds of Castforms being used efficiently
User: KarpiFloodcheck 11:55 26 August 2007

*Well, the Sceptile Worry seed trick, to my knowledge, only works in 2-on-2 battles right? The tier list is normally based only on single battles, and the list would have to change quite a lot to be accurate for doubles. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Edits ==

I'm pretty sure Sudowoodo is UU or even MU due to his nice attack and defence stats and decent movepool.
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Because Porygon2 has higher defensive stats than Porygon-Z, he is still a useable option, probably MU.
Wynaut only has 95 base HP, and can usually be beaten in OU. The reason It's usually classed as Uber is because of the fact that if two Wynauts/Wobbuffets meet, the battle is an automatic draw. So the question is, do we want him out of the picture, or allowed in OU and hope that you don't see another?
There are a few decent pokemon listed as OU, that I'm pretty sure are BL, especially on this list, due to the presence of the MU category. These include:
Donphan (Good but questionable)
Dusknoir (Questionable)
Machamp (Slow, generally outclassed by Lucario and Heracross (among others)
Magnezone (4x weakness to the most common offensive type there is.)
Mamoswine (Thought he was MU to be honest)
Medicham (Not bad, but not exactly great either)
Milotic (Outclassed by Suicune.)
Ninjask (the baton passer was a Gen III fad that nobody knew how to deal with. People are wiser now.)
Slowbro (Not sure why he's BL to be honest, good stats, good movepool, and somewhat unpredictable. Suffers from "four-moveslot-syndrome though, this guy has at least ten great moves he could be using. He's probably considered too slow and it's hard to find a spare slot for Trick Room)
Staraptor (Too many weaknesses and not enough defences. He has great attack but he shares his speed with too many others and trails behind many OUs as well.)
Umbreon (This guy was near unbeatable back in Gen III, but didn't get any upgrades from the generation shift that the sweepers got. He is much tougher to use now.)
Weezing (is a good pokemon but is outclassed by Skarmory.)
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:Hey, don't complain to US. We didn't come up with the crappy idea of tiers. So blah. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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1. As far as I'm concerned, Sudowoodo is UU
2. P2 is BL, not MU due to that fact
3. No one is really sure on Wynaut. Some say Uber, some say OU, some even say UU/NU.
4. Hi Garchomp, watch me Ice Shard AND it is one of the best Spinners in the game
5. High defense, Attack, Immunity to most spinners, and Elemental Punches to smack 'em back.
6. Have YOU ever eaten a No Guard DynamicPunch?
7. Hi Skarmory, stay a while, eat a ThunderBolt
8. Okaaaaaaaaaaay, High Attack, good Typing, and Access to two of the most offensive types. Say ByeBye
Garchomp/Salamence/others.
9. Two words. Pure. Power.
10. Rest+Marvel Scale=Not Pretty
11. So people can deal with it. Passing Speed Boost and Swords Dance can be quite scary.
12. Okay. Probably one of the best Bulky Waters in the game. SlackOff, Ice Beam, Surf, Psychic, is on of the best movesets.
Who needs Speed when you have bulk? If what you say is the case, Blissey and 'Zong should be MU also, Eh?
13. First statement that makes sense.
14. Physical dark moves isn't a bonus?
15. Only weak to psychic, Explode, Sludge Bomb. Skar. Weak to Electric and Fire, PHazer with Spikes and Roar/Whirlwind. Need I say more?
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Any more Questions? Oh. And one more thing, THERE IS NO MU TIER! There is Uber, OU, UU, and NU. BL's are OU's but are used less.(This is why I loooooooooooooooooooove reading Smogon.) [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I dunno what's up with the MU tier here, but anyways:

1. Agreed

2. Prob agreed

3. Agreed

4. He is a great spinner, but so are Starmie and Claydol. Being able to counter three OUs with Ice Shard isn't enough to qualify him alone.

5. Perhaps.

6. DynamicPunch is fun on 'Champ, especially combined with Stone Edge. However, if he's using it, he gives Dusknoir/Gengar a free switch in, and then they nail him with Will-O-Wisp. Not to mention the PP problems he will encounter. And as previously stated, he is simply too slow. Even with absolute max speed, a Jolly Scarf-Champ can't outrun a Jolly/Timid Infernape (and upward) or an Adamant Weavile (among others). I suppose, however, that in BL a Scarf-Champ could devastate all opposition so maybe OU is right.

7. Yea, he tears right through Skarmory, as well as Choice Metagross after it uses Meteor Mash. Unfortunetly, he's not good at much else.

8. Mamoswine isn't bad, but his speed is mediocre and his strongest physical Ice attack is Avalanch/Ice Fang. His movepool isn't great but since I just realized that he can learn Stone Edge he may be OU after all.

9. Pure Power is nice, putting his max attack at a whopping 480 (just a notch above Rampardos), however that requires an Adamant nature, leaving him at only 284 speed. His movepool isn't great either, and he's usually stuck with High Jump Kick as his fighting STAB and Psycho Cut as his Psychic. His other two attacks can be: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Bulk Up, or Rock Slide (No Stone Edge). Unfortunatly, he has poor defences, so a faster pokemon with Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse and good Sp Attack(Alakazam, for instance) can OHKO. Further, since Psychic resists both STABs and Medicham can't learn Night Slash (or other Ghost/Dark physical moves), bulky Psychics (like Claydol, but watch for Ice Punch, or Slowbro, barring ThunderPunch) can wall him.

10. Rest has the unfortunate side effect of putting Milotic to sleep. Giving the opponent two turns to do whatever he wants to your Milotic is never healthy. I can already see the Gyrarados switching in, taunting and Ddancing.

11. The problem with Ninjask using swords dance is that he can be OHKOd by any solid attack, due to his miserable defences. It is therefore tricky to get the Swords Dance in without taking a big hit. He can be used well with a set like this, however: Baton Pass, Protect, Substitute, X-Scissor. This is normally passed to a pokemon with nice Attack/Sp. Attack, but poor Speed (such as Heracross).

12. Yea, Slowbro is super-cool, but defensively, he has quite a few common weaknesses: Electric, Grass, and Ghost/Dark. Your set doesn't have Calm Mind, and most Special attackers carry at least one of those types. Slowbro just can't voer everything it needs to with only four move-slots. However, it is certainly possible for him to be OU.

13. Yea, to me it seems a lot of people overrate this guy.

14. Physical dark move isn't a bonus when your base attack is 65.

15. Attacking isn't his specialty, due to low speed and mediocre offenses. Used defensively, he is too easy to beat with Special attacks because of 65 base HP and Pain Split as his best recovery move.

Also got a new one for you. Articuno. He is a real dipstick as a pokemon of course, however he learns the devastating combo Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. I believe he is usually classed BL (or MU here) but with this combo, many people say he can be used fairly in the Uber environment, because most Ubers can normally KO him with two attacks anyway. What do you think? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 18:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

4. However, Its weaknessess, Grass, Water ,and Ice. Starmie: Grass, Electric, Ghost, Dark, and Bug. Claydol: Bug, Ghost, Grass, Dark, Water, and Ice. See a trend?

6. Maybe BL, but I look at the Definition. "BL Pokémon are stong enough to compete in OU, but the only difference is usage."

7. BL maybe, since it isn't used much. However, Magnezone has the defense to withstand a couple physical attacks and 13 resistances.

9. Or 426, since it is EXTREMELY RARE to see a 'cham sans scarf

10. Do you know what Marvel Scale does? 'dos doesn't have a Physical SE attack. It can learn Thunder/bolt, but wait! 60 Base Sp. Atk? I don't think so. Oh. And there is this wonderful Move called Sleep Talk. Helps bunches.

11. Magical Item, Focus Sash. Swords dance, get the speed boost, and get the heck out!

12. OR: Calm Mind, Surf, Psychic, Slackoff, you lose your coverage against Dragons, but Ice Beam is so common anyway.

14. Better than 60 Sp. Atk. It can wish, Toxic, and Annoy beyond recognition.

15. Yes, but One weakness sans Gravity/Iron orb helps bunches

Articuno. You know, most tourneys don't allow that kind of crud. Articuno is a one trick pony, with its trick being banned 99.9% of the time.

Good day [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic's Marvel Scale doubles his defence, it's true; however, after a few Ddances, Dos will have insane Att and Speed, and after a Taunt, Milotic won't be able to use rest or recover anyway (will he be allowed Sleep Talk? Unsure). He'll be forced to use Surf or Ice beam (or whatever, she doesn't learn any Electric attacks anyway) against Gyrados' good HP and SP Def.

Ninjask with Focus Sash could be interesting... but he'll only be useable once. Also, if the opponent has any priority move, 'Jask will be KOd before it can BPass.

For Umbreon, is 65 Attack really any better than 60 Sp Attack? Either way, your attacks won't do any damage. This guy is used exactly the way he was in the previous generation:Mean Look, BPass, Toxic, Wish/Moonlight. He's another guy who could use ten moveslots, for things like Taunt, Substitute and Confuse Ray.

Agreed on Articuno lol. But I do think he's allowed in Ubers with Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. Maybe he should be on the list twice with a footnote?
[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic would still probably be BL though.

There are 8 or nine priority moves. Most Ninjask are leads. I'm a little curious. How common are priority moves on leads? What are the chances? If it's not a lead, UU definitely, but Ninjask that AREN'T leads are slim to none.

Like I said, "ANNOYER"!

IF, and that is a mighty big IF, Crud like that is allowed, Smeargle, believe it or not does a better job, since it can trap, sleep, read, and OHKO. ANYTHING with Mind Reader/OHKO Move could be considered Uber due to your logic.

[[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 20:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic: At least BL, no argument there.

I don't know exactly how common priotity moves are on leads, but I do know that Weavile is very often used as a lead and frequently carries Ice Shard.

Umbreon... Are we arguing or agreeing on him? I'm lost lol.

So, should Smeargle and Articuno be in their respective classes, with a note about Uber? I think they're the only ones who get that combo. (Game Freak probably just gave it to Articuno because they felt sorry for him lol.)[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought most Weavile leads had Ice Punch, but I could be wrong, and just because something is counterable doesn't make it awful.

lol, I'm not sure, I know we started arguing, then I said 65 is better than 60, or annoyer. then you said it was an annoyer, so I think we agreed.

Ummm, no. just becaus something can do mind reader/OHKO, does not mean it's uber. Most of the Pokémon with both move means they have horrible stats. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing about Weavile is that it has five great moves: Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Shard (Occasionally they carry Aerial Ace, Focus Punch or Swords Dance as well). Of those five moves, All Weavile will have at least three. It actually isn't rare to see a Weavile with both Ice Punch and Ice Shard. Ninjask is probably a decent opener overall if you pair it with the right pokemon (Heracross, physical Infernape, etc.).

Ok, so Umbreon = good annoyer, but not as good as in Gen III (What a shame, mine dominated the Battle Tower). 65 really is no better than 60 though, as he isn't attacking anyways.

You're probably right on Articuno and Smeargle, though. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Tropius is NU? ==

Does that mean I've used an NU Pokémon to beat the Elite Four in Emerald? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Elite four don't have anything to do with the tier list. Face it: they've got brains of cow droppings. This list is solely applicable in player vs player single battles.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

===Dewgong!===
Dewgong shouldn't be NU either. I used it in the Battle Tower to beat a Dragonite '''and''' a Garchomp in one move each, and they're both OU. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 18:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hate to say it but Dewgong is NU. He has a horrible movepool and some sad stats. And hello? Dragonite and Garchomp both have 4x weaknesses to it's STAB attack! How could it not OHKO?[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hydration + Rest? In a rain dance party, that thing can be a bitch.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Whoa. I overlooked Hydration. I suppose his moveset will always be Surf/Ice Beam/Rain Dance/Rest simply because he's got no other moves. Of course, this makes him really predictable (never a good thing) as he can't use any choice items or anything different really. His type coverage won't be great since water and ice don't really mesh, and a simple bulky water will easily wall him. Let's not forget that his base special attack and speed are still only 70, and his defences are slightly better, and 90 hits, 80 def, and 95 spec def. To be honest, however, it still appears that he can hold against most pokémon. I'm still looking for an outright flaw that totally ruins him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

===HUNTAIL?! PARASECT?!===
{{p|Huntail}}??? NU???? In what fantasy dream realm is a Pokémon with base 104 Attack, STAB {{m|Waterfall}}, base 105 Defense, base 75 Special Defense, base 94 Special Attack, STAB {{m|Surf}}, and a possible 446 Speed stat in rainy weather, not to MENTION its other move options: {{m|Ice Beam}}, {{m|Ice Fang}}, {{m|Crunch}}, and even {{m|Aqua Tail}}, in NU? Huntail can wipe the floor with the NU tier!
And Parasect! Base 95 attack, base 80 defenses, and such low speed that it can outspeed countless opponents in {{m|Trick Room}} conditions, Access to {{m|Cross Poison}}, {{m|X-Scissor}} (with STAB, no less!), and {{m|Spore}}, the most reliable sleep-inducing move in the game, and it's NU? I don't think so. Kinda like a Trick Room-friendly {{p|Crobat}} with a [[Spore (move)|more reliable version]] of {{m|Hypnosis}}, and more Attack.[[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 19:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Huntail has miserable speed and hitpoints, and his movepool's pretty sad. Using Waterfall and Ice Fang, your attacks have lower power, or using Surf and Ice Beam, your offensive stat are lower. Although to some point, I must agree, he could be UU, he'd just be a bottom-of-the-rung UU.
Parasect also has poor hitpoints and horrible typing. As most experienced gamers will know, fire- and flying- types are rare in the OU environment, due to weaknesses (*cough* Charizard/Moltres), poor movepools (Ninetails/Swellow), poor stat distribution (*cough* Flareon/Entei *cough*) and poor type coverage. They are usually stuck in UU and NU with Parasect, who happens to have a 4x weakness to both types. Parasect could be fun with Trick room, but how many Trick Room users do you see in NU? He also has problems with his abilities. With Dry Skin, you're essentially increasing his water resistance, but why do you need it? Parasect would also have some SunnyBeaming possibilities, but not with Dry Skin. Further, it turns his 4x fire weakness into an 8x fire weakness. Therefore, Effect Spore is a necessity. However, with Effect spore, if the opponent is hit with a condition, you can no longer use Spore to put him to sleep. Parasect going to be NU for a long time.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In a double battle situation, Parasect with dry skin double resists earthquake and is healed by surf. That right there is well worth having.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The list, however, is totally unrelated to doubles. Even then, the doubles environment is really suited more toward fast hard-hitters like Weavile and Infernape, and pokémon with 95 attack and a miserable 30 speed really shouldn't be used. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Protected page, please==
Any smhuck(no offense) can edit this and say their pokemon is uber, etc. Discussion like this should be relegated to the forums, where such discussion does not interfere. Somethign along the lines of the smashboard forums, that relegate smash characters, (periodically updated here by an admin) would work nicely imo.[[User:Dark0805|Dark0805]] 14:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it should be protected, but it should be accurate first, I would think. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:I'm talking to TTEchdina right now and I'm suggesting it to him......--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Delete It==
There is no official tier list. Many people/websites have their own tier lists. For example, some people say that Wynaut is Uber, while some say that it is BL. What is up with that? Obviously, the Tier List has no true content. May we delete it?

:Hold you're horses, Cowboy! Before putting a ''Delete'' tag on it, ask other users about what they think. This is like the [[Bulbapedia:The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot]]. Many people think that it should be delete, yet some do not. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::I kinda think that we should delete it. After all, this is one of the things that people could put their own shit in it (Along with the Great Turkey Shoot. That page is a steaming pile of crap now, thanks to people overreacting to vandals. :/) and.. yeah. Although, if many people think that we should keep it, protect it instead from either new members or only admins. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm for deleting it too, it's a unofficial fan list that may have too many errors in it. Plus there is no official list since it was fan-made.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 17:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Lol. I could care less for both this page and the Turkey Shoot. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Tiers are just a bunch of bullsh*t anyway. I've had my Glaceon kick a Garchomp's a$$ countless times, and they say that Glaceon is UU/BL? Pssshh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, mine did too! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC) XD
:::Now do we all agree to delete it?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Either that or move it to the Appendix.'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think we should do that.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's totally fanon. Appendix...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess...[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No way should it be deleted! This is probably the most important list ever for the competitive battler! It does need some work though.

:I think that it should <strike>be deleted</strike>. Well, now that I see that it is in Appendix, I guess it could stay. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, the Appendix namespace is for 'useless' stuff, seeing as many scientists think that the {{wp|Appendix}} is useless...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Yea, I know. And sometimes, appendixes get removed from the body.......get my connection? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I was wondering what it was doing in the main namespace in the first place...and I do get what you mean. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::They get removed if they're diseased. Does this appendix look diseased to you? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 01:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, a system where {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Wynaut}} are classified the same '''HAS GOT TO GO!''' It should at least be posted by one of these Admins that the page is disputed. [[User:Venomoth|Venomoth]] 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hitmonchan UU?! ==

I really think Hitmonchan should be a Border Line. It knows Three STAB Piority First Moves, Can Learn the All Mighty BoltBeam Combo (With Ice/Thunder Punch, of course) And for Crying Out loud, it can Own Blissly In one shot, or atleast Mine can. So please put Hitmonchan in BL, not UU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh.. *shrugs* We didn't come up with this list, so.. yeah. Can't help you there. Tiers are crap anyway -- they seriously, imo, mean absolutely nothing. And I'm a big competitive battler too. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

He's not BL, MU at best.
Well, maybe he could be BL. He'd have really nice type coverage from a Choice set like this: Close Combat, Stone Edge, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch. Unfortunately, His Base Attack is too low to use on a Scarf set, or with a Band set, he'd be a pretty slow pokemon. Overall, however, Heracross massively outdoes him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I beg to Differ! --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Quick Man. I've used Hitmonchan consistantly in OU battles with Elemental Punches + Drain Punch. (Yes I know that move is crud. but try using it with an Iron Fist Hitmonchan against TTar. I've Recovered almost full health from brink of disaster. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Maybe Tiers have Seperate Articles? ==

Okay the more I look at this talk page, the more "Why the hell is so-so in so-so when he can.. blah blah" I start to see. After awhile, it's going to be too much room for the talk page to handle don't you think? So I thought... that if we ARE gonna keep the tier list (Which I hope we do being a fan of competitive battling) that we make seperate articles for each tier? [[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]
:Hmm.. that's a nice idea.. although like, if we do seperate the tiers into different pages we should have descriptions of what's mostly in there anyway. Like for example, we could say that OU Pokémon have very high stats and a large movepool, and some such as {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Blissey}} can compete in Uber battles because they are strong enough. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

We should put each Pokémon's tier on that Pokémon's page. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  14:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:That works too. But either way, I don't really care which way is done... it's just I don't want to see anything cluttered and such. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not combine the idea? Keep the list here and mention each pokémon's tier on their own page. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Medicham==
Why is Medicham OU? It has horrible stats and a rather small movepool, so it should be moved down to BL. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  15:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think its Pure Power ability has something to do with it, which DOUBLES its attack stat.
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I Agree with Shiny Noctowl! I think Medicham DOESN'T have what it takes to be a OU! I say BL, or even MU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Have YOU ever eaten a Pure Power Elemental Punch? Not pretty. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, although I haven't studied Medicham yet... I kinda have to agree about the Pure Power thing. But I'm also going to side on both sides here, cause it still has bad stas and a not so nice of a movepool... although it does have roles under its belt. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

@Quick Man: (Bear in mind this is not directly at you) BL is just OU that is used less. Try again. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think probably BL. He's just a bit too fragile. BL is not OU that is used less, It's actually supposed to be for those too strong to be UU. However, here we have MU for some reason...[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Look on Smogon, Pg13 of tier discussions, second post. Look. Oh and btw, look at OUR list again. No MU. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]]

== TIRES DON EXITS ==

Should we have a tier list for the Smash Brothers games? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wait.. there's tiers for SSB too? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::WHAT? Seriously? But....they're only like 20 characters for the SSB games! Is the list like.....10? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Tier lists are about defining the hierarchy of effectivenenss. With the amount of variables between the different characters, yes, the serious competitive players have come to a consensus on who it is wise to use or not use in the tournament scene. National tournament-winners of Melee almost always use Marth, Fox, Falco or Sheik. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::On consideration, I think I'll just note the individual tournament status for {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Mewtwo}} in their own articles. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Since Smash is somewhat related to Pokémon, maybe the Smash lists should be somewhere. And yes, there are huge differences between Smash characters, especially in Melee, that require a tier list. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet ==

I think it's worth noting that currently, a test is being conducted to see whether Wobbuffet should be moved to OU. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 15:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed, although I highly doubt it will happen. Oh, and I think (last time I checked) there was some support for moving Garchomp to Uber. I haven't looked recently, so I don't know. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 
::The agreement now is that Wobby is definetly Uber, and although the Garchomp to Uber thing did get some support, nearly all reputable tier lists still have him in OU. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonite & co. ==

Dragonite is a VERY rare sight on OU battles, since it can't match Salamence and Garchomp, and since BL are for OU-strengh Pokémon with few appearances, I suggest it is moved down to it.
This works for many other Pokémon in the same situation, such as Ambipom.{{ani|277}}[[User:Greysky|'''''Grey''''']][[User talk:Greysky|'''''sky''''']]{{ani|135}} 03:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, It's not used often, but no, it shouldn't be moved. Moving a Pokémon with that power would overcentralize the BL Metagame. Everyone would be forced to carry the strongest Ice Pokémon in BL (I haven't checked who it is). Yes, BL is Pokémon who can solidly compete in OU, but not seen, but it is also for Pokémon too powerful for UU, which is where most BL Pokémon fit. Besides, other than Shelgon, which is rarely seen, Dragonite is the best Dragon-type tank. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

::No one plays BL enough to say there is a metagame. And besides, BL, like Uber is merely a ban tier. Even if people start playing enough of it to have a metagame, its basic purpose is a ban tier. By definition, Dragonite is technically BL last time I checked usage statistics (which was april lol, but not like that changed)

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Opinions? ==

The tier list just looks like a bunch of opinions to me. A Pokémon's strength depends on its training as much as its species. Some Pokémon, like Magikarp, are obviously inefficent to use in battle, but a Toarkoal (listed as NU, btw) can destroy a Regice (listed OU) in a fair battle, and the list does not reflect many aspects of a Pokémon's value, and it often is based off predjudices such as legendary status. Just thought I would point this out. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 02:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's why its in the appendix, bucko (Snap says this alot?). Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:15 11 May 2008'''''
::Honestly, it really is just opinions. But most of the time, they are fairly valid opinions. Sure, your Torkoal may beat my Regice, but most people wouldn't leave an Ice-type in against a fire. Not all things are biased toward Legendaries. Take Regigigas. It's a legendary, (and a pain in the hind end to get) but last I checked on a reliable source, it was Lower UU/Upper NU. This was discussed somewhere on Serebii where many people wanted to throw tiers out the metaphorical window, but some people disagreed, and almost mobbed the guy. If you absolutely wanted to, sure go in afight with your Torkoal against a Regice, but don't expect to win. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 00:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Midnight Celtic. Just because Torkoal could theoretically beat a Regice, we don't need to assume that the list is wrong. I used a Butterfree-Heracross in an example at the top, however, in reality, Butterfree would lose to almost any pokémon that it couldn't beat with one hit, whereas Heracross is a beast even at the highest level of competition. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:who actually uses a Torkoal with the exception of the hardcore Torkoal fans? (all 3 of them) thats what its getting at. lets face it, people will/would/do use Arcanine or Blaziken ({{tt|etc|i use both, hehe}}). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

::Arcanine? Blaziken? Hello! Infernape!! [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== T-tar ==
A crazy proposition maybe, but maybe we should move Tyranitar up to Uber?
its stat total is actually over 600, because Rock-type's Special Defense increases in sandstorm, and its ability is to whip a sandstorm as it enters.

Ttar's been getting a lot of controversy this generation. Personaly, I don't even know what to support. It's true that his attack is godly and that all his defences are also very strong. However, his speed is a huge letdown. He's also got a big 4x fighting weakness. Further, his sandstorm can be difficult for the rest of the user's team to deal with, and typical Ttar users have to build their entire team around him. Also, if the weather gets changed on him, he suddenly looks really akward (much like Kyogre). Possibly his biggest fear is Bronzong or another bulky tank. The other option is a choice scarf physical sweeper who can KO it before it gets KOed. Probably the biggest example is Scarf-Cross, he's a killer. I can't decide for sure about this, but I'd say that the Beast from GSC is one of the best OUs out there. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear {{p|Tyranitar}},
:{{m|Focus Blast}} or {{m|Aura Sphere}}. You are dead.
::Your friend, {{p|Togekiss}}.

T-tar is very powerful, no doubt at all. however, he is very slow, has poor sp. def., and has a 4x weakness to fighting. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

What Ttar are you talking about? His special defence is base 100 and is doubled by his sandstorm. It's in fact extremely high, even at it's very lowest. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:whoops. ever since i cut T-tar from my team, i must have forgotten. i was thinking about Aggron. hes easy pickens. either way, Fighting-type moves are very common, and having 5 other weaknesses doesnt help. that and his {{tt|fantastic|sarcasm}} speed make him very difficult to use. why couldnt he be Ground/Dark?!?! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering lol. Being one of only three who can break 500 special defense and one of only two who can break 600 at a whopping 656, he could have the highest Special defense (if he wanted it). [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:Meh, Tyranitar wss always noob to me. Besides, these are just tiers. I usually use Pokémon who are in the lower classes, yet they usually kick ass. So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 25 May 2008'''''

"So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all."
Unbelievable. There are people who still think that???
What you're telling us is, that if you had a team consisting of a Ditto, a Caterpie and an Unown, that you'd have a fair chance against a Metagross, a Salamence and a Weavile? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sure I would. If the Metagross, Salamence and Weavile were not EV-trained and Unown has a good HP (Hidden Power) type, then I would pawn. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 28 May 2008'''''
::Absolutely unbelievable.

::You seriously think your opponent not EV training is enough to make up for the huge difference in tier? And to be honest, it really doesn't matter so much what HP your Unown has. The fact remains: IT HAS ONE ATTACK AND LOW STATS. Aiming for the strongest Psychic one possible still leaves you a weak attack and Weavile will completely annihlate him. If you aim instead for type coverage, such as an Ice hidden power, two of the other team's three pokémon will still wall you and take you out with a single attack. The obvious exception is Fire, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would choose a Fire attack to be their only move. Fighting I suppose might be a strong choice, but again, you won't be able to hit Salamence at all, and Metagross very little. If you get a critical hit, you might be able to take out Weavile, and you'd better hope you do, or else Pursuit will finish you. The truth is, because Unown's stats are so bad, it would have to be super effective to do any real damage, even to Weavile. Of course, your team's problems don't end with Unown. All of your pokémon could be OHKO'd by any of your opponent's pokés. If your opponent gets one free turn, then Dragon Pulse sweeps your entire team (I'm assuming Specs-Mence, but Dragon Claw works equally well for the physical variants). And how exactly are you going to stop him? String shot? I'm not just talking about these two teams either. Any NU team vs any OU team has all the same problems. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Uhh, right... -totally convinced- As Fabu-Vinny (I assume it was him) said: TIRES DON EXITS!!!!!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:03 29 May 2008'''''

::Unn. Bee. Leave. A. Bull. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

::Hey, if you wanna discuss this any further, meet me on Shoddy Battle. Bring a Caterpie, an Unown, a Ditto, and 3 other NUs, and I'll take an OU team and I'll be sure not to EV them. I can even give Weavile a modest nature if you want. You will still lose. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Always stronger? ==

"All Pokémon that are not listed here are never used in competitive play because they have an evolved form and evolutions are always stronger than pre-evolutions. There are a few exceptions, however, such as Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu"

Come on people, that doesn't even make sense. Please change it to evolutions are ''nearly'' always stronger. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Past lists ==

Does anyone know where one could find the lists for competitive play in Gens I, II or III ? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, they're all on Smogon. Does anyone think we should have the older lists on Bulbapedia? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Apparently, there's something WRONG with the note at the bottom of the page... ==

Why is Wynaut in the Uber? The bottom of the page says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't shown. And don't say 'Why not?' '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:58 29 May 2008'''''

Wynaut has a larger movepool than Wobbuffet, making it one of the few Pokémon stronger than it's evolution if used correctly.
But, in all seriousness, I must say: why not? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 02:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:But when it evolves Wobby can keep the moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Nonono, check the notes. It says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:38 1 Jun 2008'''''
:::Well, Wynaut's specifically included in the uber tier because of its ability and moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, so where is the Light Ball Pikachu? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:05 1 Jun 2008'''''
::Beats me. You should already know I hate this page... >> Didn't make it, hate to touch it, don't wanna bother to organize it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, I hate it too. I always wondered why no one deleted it. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:18 1 Jun 2008'''''

::::Wynaut is listed because he plays very differently than Wobby. He does not have nearly as much HP and is more geared toward Encore and getting that Destiny Bond in before he dies. He is actually not strong enough to be Uber but he is banned in competition because if two Wynauts/Wobbies meet they trap each other and force a draw. He listed there so that people don't use him. And as for why you people hate this page, well that IS a mystery. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:I remember realizing that if you put a Pokémon in the daycare, it automatically learns moves, and even if you had it in there past its evolution level, you can evolve it by raising it one level. Is it possible to put Wynaut in the daycare and rely on chance to make it learn the right moves, then take it out and turn it in to Wobba? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::Pokémon learn their level-up moves automatically in the daycare. New moves replace old ones. Wynaut only learns moves up to level 15. If it is kept in the daycare longer than that, then it will come out with the four moves it learns at that level. You would have to use up a Heart Scale to make it re-learn any its three original moves. Then evolve. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 23:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Use of Ü ==

I have some knowledge of German and I am pretty sure "Uber" is spelled with a Ü. It's Alt+0220. Is there any reason against using proper German loanwords? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:Laziness, as it's not in the character palette... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Here's an idea ==

Why Don't we base it off of a formula off of several things I.E

1.Stats (Of course)

2.How well can It cover Its weaknessess (I.E Torterra would rank high because of stone edge and earthquake which covers all its weaknessess)

3.Large move pool

4.Ability

5.Special moves (I.E ones like Baton Pass,Dragon Dance,Aerial Ace,Ones that have a "special effect")

Although we could say that It shouldn't be a list but instead a program for judging a team (somehow)
[[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Partially because Smeargle throws a Curveball to all but identifiers 1 and 4. And at least if you want Types, Marriland has an excellent program for that kind of stuff. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Why dont we just erase the tier page and just create a new pokemon wiki based off of the discussion of our teams and how to improve them. (if this passes I call admin) and also in that case for smeargle it would rank high (if I wasnt clear on #5 its strategizing your moves. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ummm. calm down, I was just stating that With that system, people would get the idea that Smeargle was really good, when it really... isn't. it's just okay. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:I like responding to old stuff. Also Wobbuffet and its mediocre movepool and its uber status (debated or not) wants to have a word. Also covering its weaknesses means nothing when let's say, your a Garchomp with Fire blast expecting an ice beam from an ice type. Chances are your going to get it from a water type.

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gallade ==

Why is Gallade BL? Looks pretty good for OU to me. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:Smogon says it's OU. One of the reasons why this list of tiers should not exist, since there are many. tc26 23:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R ==

Shouldnt a F.E.A.R rattatta be OU becuase it can take down most non-ghost type pokemon? for you out there wondering what a F.E.A.R rattatt is its a rattatta with quick attack focus sash and endeavor. Goes like this opponett attacks focus sash leaves 1 hp rattatta uses endeavor opponett has 1 hp rattatta uses QA foe is KO not this can only be used in cases when no EXP will be gained. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Because everybody's watched Marriland vs. Untouchable, and knows that something is up when a Lv. 1 Rattata pops out of a battle that has been Lv. 100 since. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Uhmm... FEAR Rattata is easily beaten if you know how. Just switch out into Gengar and the FEAR strategy is over. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 13:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Don't forget the fact that if you don't have a Gengar, you can just switch into another Pokémon on the turn when {{m|Quick Attack}} is used. Quick Attack doesn't do much damage, the other Pokémon is allowed to use any attacking move they please. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

: Sand Storm, hail, spikes, toxic spikes, substitute and the list goes on.......

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Borderline Tier ==

We should consider merging the Borderline tier with the OU tier since they're almost the same. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 17:02 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:No they aren't. OU pokemon are those that are overused. UU Pokemon are those that are underused. BL Pokemon are Pokemon that are underused, but are too broken for said tier. Uber is to OU as BL is to UU.

::That is unless you people are going by mere usefullness rather than traditional usage statistics. Take Magneton in Gen III. it was a useless Pokemon outside of killing skarmory, yet it was considered UU because it was used almost as much as Skarmory. Don't let the tiers fool you. Just because something is BL doesn't mean its weaker to something that is OU.

--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Good Pokemon in the wrong tier ==

I can't believe how many good Pokémon are in the wrong tier! Gallade? Honchkrow? Huh? HUH?!
[[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 15:29 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:I think Honchkrow should AT LEAST be BL. Coz if it holds scope lens and has super luck and uses night slash which is STABBED, it has a 50% chance of critical hitting. Furthermore, Sky Attack which also has a high critical hit can also do massive STABBED damage, though it isnt the best of attacks, and it does have poor defenses... but it could be possibly Baton Passed into.--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==You guys are morons/you need to fix something (two separate things here)==
1. You don't get to come in here and decide where pokémon fall in tiers. Get a clue. If you want to change the tiers ask around and find out where to go.

2. The bottom blurb about Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu should include Scyther.

OK BYE! [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 03:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

===HELLO, POSTSCRIPT:===
Garchomp was moved to Ubers by Smogon. While they don't really dictate what is and what is not in which tier, would it be worth moving him here as well? Just a thought. — [[User:Antarctica|antarctica]] | [[User talk:Antarctica|talk]] 14:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

== So what? ==

Are you people actually doing these tiers based on usage for OU and UU and what Pokemon is jsut broken there (hence Uber and BL) or is it done by usefulness/strength? --[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:It's done by usefulness/strength. Take into account base states, types, move pool, abilities, etc., and you can create some seriously powerful pokémon, or just pieces of crap. Farfetch'd, for example, can unfortunately never be good. The only time I am aware of the metagame actually dictating where a pokémon goes is recently when Smogon bumped Garchomp from OU to Ubers, and that's going to reshape the whole game (we hope). Go read Smogon or something if you want to know in-depth. — [[User:Antarctica|antarctica]] | [[User talk:Antarctica|talk]] 18:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tier/Archive 1

2008-09-14T14:21:34Z

Antarctica: /* You guys are morons/you need to fix something (two separate things here) */

*NOTE*: Before you make comments on a pokemons' tier, be sure the conditions are fair. Lower ranked pokemon can beat higher ranked pokemon. This does not mean the tiers need to be fixed. Just because a Butterfree can KO Heracross with Arial Ace does not mean that either pokemon is in the wrong tier. Thank you.

Does this even belong? I mean, sure, it's a good idea to have it, but... eh, I dunno. Either way, in the current state, the article is pretty crappy. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Are you sure about this? ==

As far as I can tell, by watching YouTube videos of Wi-Fi PBR battles, there are not this many tiers, and some Pokémon seem to be placed wrong. I've watched hundreds of battles, and not once have I seen an Aggron or Victreebel, both of which are listed as moderately used. On the other hand, I've seen lots of Pidgeot and Pachirisu, which are both in the never-used category according to this page. Who determined this list, and how did they determine it? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

* I believe it was based off some list posted at some website. I don't know which one. But at any rate, there are three things to consider. One, the rate at which things are used are not equal to how high something is on the tier list. Two, opinions of what goes into what tier vary. For instance, Smogon generally agrees Manaphy is uber tier. Third, technically, it is too early in the competitive battling scene to make a proper, full, tier list. In fact, for that reason alone, I believe this article should be deleted or at least changed to descriptions of each tier only until that time comes. [[User:System Error|System Error]] <nowiki></nowiki> 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::The site was probably Smogon, if you're wondering. Tiers are based mostly off of base stats, types and move pools for each Pokémon. For example, Skarmory is placed in Over Used because of its ability to take a hit and stay standing, due to high Defense and the Steel/Flying types, and its varied move pool. Also, I've never really seen a moderately used tier before, but it makes sense, especially after the changes to game play Diamond and Pearl have made. As a final note, I have also noticed that tiers change rapidly, based on current trends, play styles, and new discoveries. To make the article more accurate and appropriate, we could add a section on controversies, noting such debates as whether Manaphy, Celebi or Tyranitar qualify as Uber or not, and which Pokémon seem to hover between Overused and Borderline. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 00:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

* Also in the recent rush of Trick-Disable pokemon, pokemon such as Kecleon and Mr. Mime have gained a significant boost. I would say MU is fitting for these pokemon. And Sceptile could easily be BL since Worry Seed on Slaking was discovered. These two examples show how in the time between the creation of this list, and now, the metagame has already changed. Also from my personal standpoint, I have seen hundreds of Castforms being used efficiently
User: KarpiFloodcheck 11:55 26 August 2007

*Well, the Sceptile Worry seed trick, to my knowledge, only works in 2-on-2 battles right? The tier list is normally based only on single battles, and the list would have to change quite a lot to be accurate for doubles. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Edits ==

I'm pretty sure Sudowoodo is UU or even MU due to his nice attack and defence stats and decent movepool.
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Because Porygon2 has higher defensive stats than Porygon-Z, he is still a useable option, probably MU.
Wynaut only has 95 base HP, and can usually be beaten in OU. The reason It's usually classed as Uber is because of the fact that if two Wynauts/Wobbuffets meet, the battle is an automatic draw. So the question is, do we want him out of the picture, or allowed in OU and hope that you don't see another?
There are a few decent pokemon listed as OU, that I'm pretty sure are BL, especially on this list, due to the presence of the MU category. These include:
Donphan (Good but questionable)
Dusknoir (Questionable)
Machamp (Slow, generally outclassed by Lucario and Heracross (among others)
Magnezone (4x weakness to the most common offensive type there is.)
Mamoswine (Thought he was MU to be honest)
Medicham (Not bad, but not exactly great either)
Milotic (Outclassed by Suicune.)
Ninjask (the baton passer was a Gen III fad that nobody knew how to deal with. People are wiser now.)
Slowbro (Not sure why he's BL to be honest, good stats, good movepool, and somewhat unpredictable. Suffers from "four-moveslot-syndrome though, this guy has at least ten great moves he could be using. He's probably considered too slow and it's hard to find a spare slot for Trick Room)
Staraptor (Too many weaknesses and not enough defences. He has great attack but he shares his speed with too many others and trails behind many OUs as well.)
Umbreon (This guy was near unbeatable back in Gen III, but didn't get any upgrades from the generation shift that the sweepers got. He is much tougher to use now.)
Weezing (is a good pokemon but is outclassed by Skarmory.)
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:Hey, don't complain to US. We didn't come up with the crappy idea of tiers. So blah. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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1. As far as I'm concerned, Sudowoodo is UU
2. P2 is BL, not MU due to that fact
3. No one is really sure on Wynaut. Some say Uber, some say OU, some even say UU/NU.
4. Hi Garchomp, watch me Ice Shard AND it is one of the best Spinners in the game
5. High defense, Attack, Immunity to most spinners, and Elemental Punches to smack 'em back.
6. Have YOU ever eaten a No Guard DynamicPunch?
7. Hi Skarmory, stay a while, eat a ThunderBolt
8. Okaaaaaaaaaaay, High Attack, good Typing, and Access to two of the most offensive types. Say ByeBye
Garchomp/Salamence/others.
9. Two words. Pure. Power.
10. Rest+Marvel Scale=Not Pretty
11. So people can deal with it. Passing Speed Boost and Swords Dance can be quite scary.
12. Okay. Probably one of the best Bulky Waters in the game. SlackOff, Ice Beam, Surf, Psychic, is on of the best movesets.
Who needs Speed when you have bulk? If what you say is the case, Blissey and 'Zong should be MU also, Eh?
13. First statement that makes sense.
14. Physical dark moves isn't a bonus?
15. Only weak to psychic, Explode, Sludge Bomb. Skar. Weak to Electric and Fire, PHazer with Spikes and Roar/Whirlwind. Need I say more?
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Any more Questions? Oh. And one more thing, THERE IS NO MU TIER! There is Uber, OU, UU, and NU. BL's are OU's but are used less.(This is why I loooooooooooooooooooove reading Smogon.) [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I dunno what's up with the MU tier here, but anyways:

1. Agreed

2. Prob agreed

3. Agreed

4. He is a great spinner, but so are Starmie and Claydol. Being able to counter three OUs with Ice Shard isn't enough to qualify him alone.

5. Perhaps.

6. DynamicPunch is fun on 'Champ, especially combined with Stone Edge. However, if he's using it, he gives Dusknoir/Gengar a free switch in, and then they nail him with Will-O-Wisp. Not to mention the PP problems he will encounter. And as previously stated, he is simply too slow. Even with absolute max speed, a Jolly Scarf-Champ can't outrun a Jolly/Timid Infernape (and upward) or an Adamant Weavile (among others). I suppose, however, that in BL a Scarf-Champ could devastate all opposition so maybe OU is right.

7. Yea, he tears right through Skarmory, as well as Choice Metagross after it uses Meteor Mash. Unfortunetly, he's not good at much else.

8. Mamoswine isn't bad, but his speed is mediocre and his strongest physical Ice attack is Avalanch/Ice Fang. His movepool isn't great but since I just realized that he can learn Stone Edge he may be OU after all.

9. Pure Power is nice, putting his max attack at a whopping 480 (just a notch above Rampardos), however that requires an Adamant nature, leaving him at only 284 speed. His movepool isn't great either, and he's usually stuck with High Jump Kick as his fighting STAB and Psycho Cut as his Psychic. His other two attacks can be: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Bulk Up, or Rock Slide (No Stone Edge). Unfortunatly, he has poor defences, so a faster pokemon with Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse and good Sp Attack(Alakazam, for instance) can OHKO. Further, since Psychic resists both STABs and Medicham can't learn Night Slash (or other Ghost/Dark physical moves), bulky Psychics (like Claydol, but watch for Ice Punch, or Slowbro, barring ThunderPunch) can wall him.

10. Rest has the unfortunate side effect of putting Milotic to sleep. Giving the opponent two turns to do whatever he wants to your Milotic is never healthy. I can already see the Gyrarados switching in, taunting and Ddancing.

11. The problem with Ninjask using swords dance is that he can be OHKOd by any solid attack, due to his miserable defences. It is therefore tricky to get the Swords Dance in without taking a big hit. He can be used well with a set like this, however: Baton Pass, Protect, Substitute, X-Scissor. This is normally passed to a pokemon with nice Attack/Sp. Attack, but poor Speed (such as Heracross).

12. Yea, Slowbro is super-cool, but defensively, he has quite a few common weaknesses: Electric, Grass, and Ghost/Dark. Your set doesn't have Calm Mind, and most Special attackers carry at least one of those types. Slowbro just can't voer everything it needs to with only four move-slots. However, it is certainly possible for him to be OU.

13. Yea, to me it seems a lot of people overrate this guy.

14. Physical dark move isn't a bonus when your base attack is 65.

15. Attacking isn't his specialty, due to low speed and mediocre offenses. Used defensively, he is too easy to beat with Special attacks because of 65 base HP and Pain Split as his best recovery move.

Also got a new one for you. Articuno. He is a real dipstick as a pokemon of course, however he learns the devastating combo Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. I believe he is usually classed BL (or MU here) but with this combo, many people say he can be used fairly in the Uber environment, because most Ubers can normally KO him with two attacks anyway. What do you think? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 18:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

4. However, Its weaknessess, Grass, Water ,and Ice. Starmie: Grass, Electric, Ghost, Dark, and Bug. Claydol: Bug, Ghost, Grass, Dark, Water, and Ice. See a trend?

6. Maybe BL, but I look at the Definition. "BL Pokémon are stong enough to compete in OU, but the only difference is usage."

7. BL maybe, since it isn't used much. However, Magnezone has the defense to withstand a couple physical attacks and 13 resistances.

9. Or 426, since it is EXTREMELY RARE to see a 'cham sans scarf

10. Do you know what Marvel Scale does? 'dos doesn't have a Physical SE attack. It can learn Thunder/bolt, but wait! 60 Base Sp. Atk? I don't think so. Oh. And there is this wonderful Move called Sleep Talk. Helps bunches.

11. Magical Item, Focus Sash. Swords dance, get the speed boost, and get the heck out!

12. OR: Calm Mind, Surf, Psychic, Slackoff, you lose your coverage against Dragons, but Ice Beam is so common anyway.

14. Better than 60 Sp. Atk. It can wish, Toxic, and Annoy beyond recognition.

15. Yes, but One weakness sans Gravity/Iron orb helps bunches

Articuno. You know, most tourneys don't allow that kind of crud. Articuno is a one trick pony, with its trick being banned 99.9% of the time.

Good day [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic's Marvel Scale doubles his defence, it's true; however, after a few Ddances, Dos will have insane Att and Speed, and after a Taunt, Milotic won't be able to use rest or recover anyway (will he be allowed Sleep Talk? Unsure). He'll be forced to use Surf or Ice beam (or whatever, she doesn't learn any Electric attacks anyway) against Gyrados' good HP and SP Def.

Ninjask with Focus Sash could be interesting... but he'll only be useable once. Also, if the opponent has any priority move, 'Jask will be KOd before it can BPass.

For Umbreon, is 65 Attack really any better than 60 Sp Attack? Either way, your attacks won't do any damage. This guy is used exactly the way he was in the previous generation:Mean Look, BPass, Toxic, Wish/Moonlight. He's another guy who could use ten moveslots, for things like Taunt, Substitute and Confuse Ray.

Agreed on Articuno lol. But I do think he's allowed in Ubers with Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. Maybe he should be on the list twice with a footnote?
[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic would still probably be BL though.

There are 8 or nine priority moves. Most Ninjask are leads. I'm a little curious. How common are priority moves on leads? What are the chances? If it's not a lead, UU definitely, but Ninjask that AREN'T leads are slim to none.

Like I said, "ANNOYER"!

IF, and that is a mighty big IF, Crud like that is allowed, Smeargle, believe it or not does a better job, since it can trap, sleep, read, and OHKO. ANYTHING with Mind Reader/OHKO Move could be considered Uber due to your logic.

[[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 20:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic: At least BL, no argument there.

I don't know exactly how common priotity moves are on leads, but I do know that Weavile is very often used as a lead and frequently carries Ice Shard.

Umbreon... Are we arguing or agreeing on him? I'm lost lol.

So, should Smeargle and Articuno be in their respective classes, with a note about Uber? I think they're the only ones who get that combo. (Game Freak probably just gave it to Articuno because they felt sorry for him lol.)[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought most Weavile leads had Ice Punch, but I could be wrong, and just because something is counterable doesn't make it awful.

lol, I'm not sure, I know we started arguing, then I said 65 is better than 60, or annoyer. then you said it was an annoyer, so I think we agreed.

Ummm, no. just becaus something can do mind reader/OHKO, does not mean it's uber. Most of the Pokémon with both move means they have horrible stats. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing about Weavile is that it has five great moves: Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Shard (Occasionally they carry Aerial Ace, Focus Punch or Swords Dance as well). Of those five moves, All Weavile will have at least three. It actually isn't rare to see a Weavile with both Ice Punch and Ice Shard. Ninjask is probably a decent opener overall if you pair it with the right pokemon (Heracross, physical Infernape, etc.).

Ok, so Umbreon = good annoyer, but not as good as in Gen III (What a shame, mine dominated the Battle Tower). 65 really is no better than 60 though, as he isn't attacking anyways.

You're probably right on Articuno and Smeargle, though. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Tropius is NU? ==

Does that mean I've used an NU Pokémon to beat the Elite Four in Emerald? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Elite four don't have anything to do with the tier list. Face it: they've got brains of cow droppings. This list is solely applicable in player vs player single battles.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

===Dewgong!===
Dewgong shouldn't be NU either. I used it in the Battle Tower to beat a Dragonite '''and''' a Garchomp in one move each, and they're both OU. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 18:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hate to say it but Dewgong is NU. He has a horrible movepool and some sad stats. And hello? Dragonite and Garchomp both have 4x weaknesses to it's STAB attack! How could it not OHKO?[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hydration + Rest? In a rain dance party, that thing can be a bitch.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Whoa. I overlooked Hydration. I suppose his moveset will always be Surf/Ice Beam/Rain Dance/Rest simply because he's got no other moves. Of course, this makes him really predictable (never a good thing) as he can't use any choice items or anything different really. His type coverage won't be great since water and ice don't really mesh, and a simple bulky water will easily wall him. Let's not forget that his base special attack and speed are still only 70, and his defences are slightly better, and 90 hits, 80 def, and 95 spec def. To be honest, however, it still appears that he can hold against most pokémon. I'm still looking for an outright flaw that totally ruins him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

===HUNTAIL?! PARASECT?!===
{{p|Huntail}}??? NU???? In what fantasy dream realm is a Pokémon with base 104 Attack, STAB {{m|Waterfall}}, base 105 Defense, base 75 Special Defense, base 94 Special Attack, STAB {{m|Surf}}, and a possible 446 Speed stat in rainy weather, not to MENTION its other move options: {{m|Ice Beam}}, {{m|Ice Fang}}, {{m|Crunch}}, and even {{m|Aqua Tail}}, in NU? Huntail can wipe the floor with the NU tier!
And Parasect! Base 95 attack, base 80 defenses, and such low speed that it can outspeed countless opponents in {{m|Trick Room}} conditions, Access to {{m|Cross Poison}}, {{m|X-Scissor}} (with STAB, no less!), and {{m|Spore}}, the most reliable sleep-inducing move in the game, and it's NU? I don't think so. Kinda like a Trick Room-friendly {{p|Crobat}} with a [[Spore (move)|more reliable version]] of {{m|Hypnosis}}, and more Attack.[[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 19:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Huntail has miserable speed and hitpoints, and his movepool's pretty sad. Using Waterfall and Ice Fang, your attacks have lower power, or using Surf and Ice Beam, your offensive stat are lower. Although to some point, I must agree, he could be UU, he'd just be a bottom-of-the-rung UU.
Parasect also has poor hitpoints and horrible typing. As most experienced gamers will know, fire- and flying- types are rare in the OU environment, due to weaknesses (*cough* Charizard/Moltres), poor movepools (Ninetails/Swellow), poor stat distribution (*cough* Flareon/Entei *cough*) and poor type coverage. They are usually stuck in UU and NU with Parasect, who happens to have a 4x weakness to both types. Parasect could be fun with Trick room, but how many Trick Room users do you see in NU? He also has problems with his abilities. With Dry Skin, you're essentially increasing his water resistance, but why do you need it? Parasect would also have some SunnyBeaming possibilities, but not with Dry Skin. Further, it turns his 4x fire weakness into an 8x fire weakness. Therefore, Effect Spore is a necessity. However, with Effect spore, if the opponent is hit with a condition, you can no longer use Spore to put him to sleep. Parasect going to be NU for a long time.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In a double battle situation, Parasect with dry skin double resists earthquake and is healed by surf. That right there is well worth having.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The list, however, is totally unrelated to doubles. Even then, the doubles environment is really suited more toward fast hard-hitters like Weavile and Infernape, and pokémon with 95 attack and a miserable 30 speed really shouldn't be used. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Protected page, please==
Any smhuck(no offense) can edit this and say their pokemon is uber, etc. Discussion like this should be relegated to the forums, where such discussion does not interfere. Somethign along the lines of the smashboard forums, that relegate smash characters, (periodically updated here by an admin) would work nicely imo.[[User:Dark0805|Dark0805]] 14:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it should be protected, but it should be accurate first, I would think. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:I'm talking to TTEchdina right now and I'm suggesting it to him......--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Delete It==
There is no official tier list. Many people/websites have their own tier lists. For example, some people say that Wynaut is Uber, while some say that it is BL. What is up with that? Obviously, the Tier List has no true content. May we delete it?

:Hold you're horses, Cowboy! Before putting a ''Delete'' tag on it, ask other users about what they think. This is like the [[Bulbapedia:The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot]]. Many people think that it should be delete, yet some do not. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::I kinda think that we should delete it. After all, this is one of the things that people could put their own shit in it (Along with the Great Turkey Shoot. That page is a steaming pile of crap now, thanks to people overreacting to vandals. :/) and.. yeah. Although, if many people think that we should keep it, protect it instead from either new members or only admins. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm for deleting it too, it's a unofficial fan list that may have too many errors in it. Plus there is no official list since it was fan-made.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 17:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Lol. I could care less for both this page and the Turkey Shoot. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Tiers are just a bunch of bullsh*t anyway. I've had my Glaceon kick a Garchomp's a$$ countless times, and they say that Glaceon is UU/BL? Pssshh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, mine did too! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC) XD
:::Now do we all agree to delete it?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Either that or move it to the Appendix.'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think we should do that.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's totally fanon. Appendix...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess...[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No way should it be deleted! This is probably the most important list ever for the competitive battler! It does need some work though.

:I think that it should <strike>be deleted</strike>. Well, now that I see that it is in Appendix, I guess it could stay. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, the Appendix namespace is for 'useless' stuff, seeing as many scientists think that the {{wp|Appendix}} is useless...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Yea, I know. And sometimes, appendixes get removed from the body.......get my connection? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I was wondering what it was doing in the main namespace in the first place...and I do get what you mean. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::They get removed if they're diseased. Does this appendix look diseased to you? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 01:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, a system where {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Wynaut}} are classified the same '''HAS GOT TO GO!''' It should at least be posted by one of these Admins that the page is disputed. [[User:Venomoth|Venomoth]] 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hitmonchan UU?! ==

I really think Hitmonchan should be a Border Line. It knows Three STAB Piority First Moves, Can Learn the All Mighty BoltBeam Combo (With Ice/Thunder Punch, of course) And for Crying Out loud, it can Own Blissly In one shot, or atleast Mine can. So please put Hitmonchan in BL, not UU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh.. *shrugs* We didn't come up with this list, so.. yeah. Can't help you there. Tiers are crap anyway -- they seriously, imo, mean absolutely nothing. And I'm a big competitive battler too. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

He's not BL, MU at best.
Well, maybe he could be BL. He'd have really nice type coverage from a Choice set like this: Close Combat, Stone Edge, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch. Unfortunately, His Base Attack is too low to use on a Scarf set, or with a Band set, he'd be a pretty slow pokemon. Overall, however, Heracross massively outdoes him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I beg to Differ! --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Quick Man. I've used Hitmonchan consistantly in OU battles with Elemental Punches + Drain Punch. (Yes I know that move is crud. but try using it with an Iron Fist Hitmonchan against TTar. I've Recovered almost full health from brink of disaster. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Maybe Tiers have Seperate Articles? ==

Okay the more I look at this talk page, the more "Why the hell is so-so in so-so when he can.. blah blah" I start to see. After awhile, it's going to be too much room for the talk page to handle don't you think? So I thought... that if we ARE gonna keep the tier list (Which I hope we do being a fan of competitive battling) that we make seperate articles for each tier? [[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]
:Hmm.. that's a nice idea.. although like, if we do seperate the tiers into different pages we should have descriptions of what's mostly in there anyway. Like for example, we could say that OU Pokémon have very high stats and a large movepool, and some such as {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Blissey}} can compete in Uber battles because they are strong enough. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

We should put each Pokémon's tier on that Pokémon's page. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  14:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:That works too. But either way, I don't really care which way is done... it's just I don't want to see anything cluttered and such. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not combine the idea? Keep the list here and mention each pokémon's tier on their own page. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Medicham==
Why is Medicham OU? It has horrible stats and a rather small movepool, so it should be moved down to BL. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  15:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think its Pure Power ability has something to do with it, which DOUBLES its attack stat.
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I Agree with Shiny Noctowl! I think Medicham DOESN'T have what it takes to be a OU! I say BL, or even MU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Have YOU ever eaten a Pure Power Elemental Punch? Not pretty. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, although I haven't studied Medicham yet... I kinda have to agree about the Pure Power thing. But I'm also going to side on both sides here, cause it still has bad stas and a not so nice of a movepool... although it does have roles under its belt. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

@Quick Man: (Bear in mind this is not directly at you) BL is just OU that is used less. Try again. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think probably BL. He's just a bit too fragile. BL is not OU that is used less, It's actually supposed to be for those too strong to be UU. However, here we have MU for some reason...[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Look on Smogon, Pg13 of tier discussions, second post. Look. Oh and btw, look at OUR list again. No MU. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]]

== TIRES DON EXITS ==

Should we have a tier list for the Smash Brothers games? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wait.. there's tiers for SSB too? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::WHAT? Seriously? But....they're only like 20 characters for the SSB games! Is the list like.....10? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Tier lists are about defining the hierarchy of effectivenenss. With the amount of variables between the different characters, yes, the serious competitive players have come to a consensus on who it is wise to use or not use in the tournament scene. National tournament-winners of Melee almost always use Marth, Fox, Falco or Sheik. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::On consideration, I think I'll just note the individual tournament status for {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Mewtwo}} in their own articles. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Since Smash is somewhat related to Pokémon, maybe the Smash lists should be somewhere. And yes, there are huge differences between Smash characters, especially in Melee, that require a tier list. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet ==

I think it's worth noting that currently, a test is being conducted to see whether Wobbuffet should be moved to OU. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 15:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed, although I highly doubt it will happen. Oh, and I think (last time I checked) there was some support for moving Garchomp to Uber. I haven't looked recently, so I don't know. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 
::The agreement now is that Wobby is definetly Uber, and although the Garchomp to Uber thing did get some support, nearly all reputable tier lists still have him in OU. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonite & co. ==

Dragonite is a VERY rare sight on OU battles, since it can't match Salamence and Garchomp, and since BL are for OU-strengh Pokémon with few appearances, I suggest it is moved down to it.
This works for many other Pokémon in the same situation, such as Ambipom.{{ani|277}}[[User:Greysky|'''''Grey''''']][[User talk:Greysky|'''''sky''''']]{{ani|135}} 03:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, It's not used often, but no, it shouldn't be moved. Moving a Pokémon with that power would overcentralize the BL Metagame. Everyone would be forced to carry the strongest Ice Pokémon in BL (I haven't checked who it is). Yes, BL is Pokémon who can solidly compete in OU, but not seen, but it is also for Pokémon too powerful for UU, which is where most BL Pokémon fit. Besides, other than Shelgon, which is rarely seen, Dragonite is the best Dragon-type tank. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Opinions? ==

The tier list just looks like a bunch of opinions to me. A Pokémon's strength depends on its training as much as its species. Some Pokémon, like Magikarp, are obviously inefficent to use in battle, but a Toarkoal (listed as NU, btw) can destroy a Regice (listed OU) in a fair battle, and the list does not reflect many aspects of a Pokémon's value, and it often is based off predjudices such as legendary status. Just thought I would point this out. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 02:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's why its in the appendix, bucko (Snap says this alot?). Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:15 11 May 2008'''''
::Honestly, it really is just opinions. But most of the time, they are fairly valid opinions. Sure, your Torkoal may beat my Regice, but most people wouldn't leave an Ice-type in against a fire. Not all things are biased toward Legendaries. Take Regigigas. It's a legendary, (and a pain in the hind end to get) but last I checked on a reliable source, it was Lower UU/Upper NU. This was discussed somewhere on Serebii where many people wanted to throw tiers out the metaphorical window, but some people disagreed, and almost mobbed the guy. If you absolutely wanted to, sure go in afight with your Torkoal against a Regice, but don't expect to win. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 00:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Midnight Celtic. Just because Torkoal could theoretically beat a Regice, we don't need to assume that the list is wrong. I used a Butterfree-Heracross in an example at the top, however, in reality, Butterfree would lose to almost any pokémon that it couldn't beat with one hit, whereas Heracross is a beast even at the highest level of competition. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:who actually uses a Torkoal with the exception of the hardcore Torkoal fans? (all 3 of them) thats what its getting at. lets face it, people will/would/do use Arcanine or Blaziken ({{tt|etc|i use both, hehe}}). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

::Arcanine? Blaziken? Hello! Infernape!! [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== T-tar ==
A crazy proposition maybe, but maybe we should move Tyranitar up to Uber?
its stat total is actually over 600, because Rock-type's Special Defense increases in sandstorm, and its ability is to whip a sandstorm as it enters.

Ttar's been getting a lot of controversy this generation. Personaly, I don't even know what to support. It's true that his attack is godly and that all his defences are also very strong. However, his speed is a huge letdown. He's also got a big 4x fighting weakness. Further, his sandstorm can be difficult for the rest of the user's team to deal with, and typical Ttar users have to build their entire team around him. Also, if the weather gets changed on him, he suddenly looks really akward (much like Kyogre). Possibly his biggest fear is Bronzong or another bulky tank. The other option is a choice scarf physical sweeper who can KO it before it gets KOed. Probably the biggest example is Scarf-Cross, he's a killer. I can't decide for sure about this, but I'd say that the Beast from GSC is one of the best OUs out there. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear {{p|Tyranitar}},
:{{m|Focus Blast}} or {{m|Aura Sphere}}. You are dead.
::Your friend, {{p|Togekiss}}.

T-tar is very powerful, no doubt at all. however, he is very slow, has poor sp. def., and has a 4x weakness to fighting. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

What Ttar are you talking about? His special defence is base 100 and is doubled by his sandstorm. It's in fact extremely high, even at it's very lowest. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:whoops. ever since i cut T-tar from my team, i must have forgotten. i was thinking about Aggron. hes easy pickens. either way, Fighting-type moves are very common, and having 5 other weaknesses doesnt help. that and his {{tt|fantastic|sarcasm}} speed make him very difficult to use. why couldnt he be Ground/Dark?!?! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering lol. Being one of only three who can break 500 special defense and one of only two who can break 600 at a whopping 656, he could have the highest Special defense (if he wanted it). [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:Meh, Tyranitar wss always noob to me. Besides, these are just tiers. I usually use Pokémon who are in the lower classes, yet they usually kick ass. So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 25 May 2008'''''

"So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all."
Unbelievable. There are people who still think that???
What you're telling us is, that if you had a team consisting of a Ditto, a Caterpie and an Unown, that you'd have a fair chance against a Metagross, a Salamence and a Weavile? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sure I would. If the Metagross, Salamence and Weavile were not EV-trained and Unown has a good HP (Hidden Power) type, then I would pawn. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 28 May 2008'''''
::Absolutely unbelievable.

::You seriously think your opponent not EV training is enough to make up for the huge difference in tier? And to be honest, it really doesn't matter so much what HP your Unown has. The fact remains: IT HAS ONE ATTACK AND LOW STATS. Aiming for the strongest Psychic one possible still leaves you a weak attack and Weavile will completely annihlate him. If you aim instead for type coverage, such as an Ice hidden power, two of the other team's three pokémon will still wall you and take you out with a single attack. The obvious exception is Fire, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would choose a Fire attack to be their only move. Fighting I suppose might be a strong choice, but again, you won't be able to hit Salamence at all, and Metagross very little. If you get a critical hit, you might be able to take out Weavile, and you'd better hope you do, or else Pursuit will finish you. The truth is, because Unown's stats are so bad, it would have to be super effective to do any real damage, even to Weavile. Of course, your team's problems don't end with Unown. All of your pokémon could be OHKO'd by any of your opponent's pokés. If your opponent gets one free turn, then Dragon Pulse sweeps your entire team (I'm assuming Specs-Mence, but Dragon Claw works equally well for the physical variants). And how exactly are you going to stop him? String shot? I'm not just talking about these two teams either. Any NU team vs any OU team has all the same problems. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Uhh, right... -totally convinced- As Fabu-Vinny (I assume it was him) said: TIRES DON EXITS!!!!!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:03 29 May 2008'''''

::Unn. Bee. Leave. A. Bull. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

::Hey, if you wanna discuss this any further, meet me on Shoddy Battle. Bring a Caterpie, an Unown, a Ditto, and 3 other NUs, and I'll take an OU team and I'll be sure not to EV them. I can even give Weavile a modest nature if you want. You will still lose. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Always stronger? ==

"All Pokémon that are not listed here are never used in competitive play because they have an evolved form and evolutions are always stronger than pre-evolutions. There are a few exceptions, however, such as Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu"

Come on people, that doesn't even make sense. Please change it to evolutions are ''nearly'' always stronger. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Past lists ==

Does anyone know where one could find the lists for competitive play in Gens I, II or III ? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, they're all on Smogon. Does anyone think we should have the older lists on Bulbapedia? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Apparently, there's something WRONG with the note at the bottom of the page... ==

Why is Wynaut in the Uber? The bottom of the page says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't shown. And don't say 'Why not?' '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:58 29 May 2008'''''

Wynaut has a larger movepool than Wobbuffet, making it one of the few Pokémon stronger than it's evolution if used correctly.
But, in all seriousness, I must say: why not? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 02:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:But when it evolves Wobby can keep the moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Nonono, check the notes. It says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:38 1 Jun 2008'''''
:::Well, Wynaut's specifically included in the uber tier because of its ability and moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, so where is the Light Ball Pikachu? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:05 1 Jun 2008'''''
::Beats me. You should already know I hate this page... >> Didn't make it, hate to touch it, don't wanna bother to organize it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, I hate it too. I always wondered why no one deleted it. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:18 1 Jun 2008'''''

::::Wynaut is listed because he plays very differently than Wobby. He does not have nearly as much HP and is more geared toward Encore and getting that Destiny Bond in before he dies. He is actually not strong enough to be Uber but he is banned in competition because if two Wynauts/Wobbies meet they trap each other and force a draw. He listed there so that people don't use him. And as for why you people hate this page, well that IS a mystery. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:I remember realizing that if you put a Pokémon in the daycare, it automatically learns moves, and even if you had it in there past its evolution level, you can evolve it by raising it one level. Is it possible to put Wynaut in the daycare and rely on chance to make it learn the right moves, then take it out and turn it in to Wobba? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::Pokémon learn their level-up moves automatically in the daycare. New moves replace old ones. Wynaut only learns moves up to level 15. If it is kept in the daycare longer than that, then it will come out with the four moves it learns at that level. You would have to use up a Heart Scale to make it re-learn any its three original moves. Then evolve. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 23:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Use of Ü ==

I have some knowledge of German and I am pretty sure "Uber" is spelled with a Ü. It's Alt+0220. Is there any reason against using proper German loanwords? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:Laziness, as it's not in the character palette... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Here's an idea ==

Why Don't we base it off of a formula off of several things I.E

1.Stats (Of course)

2.How well can It cover Its weaknessess (I.E Torterra would rank high because of stone edge and earthquake which covers all its weaknessess)

3.Large move pool

4.Ability

5.Special moves (I.E ones like Baton Pass,Dragon Dance,Aerial Ace,Ones that have a "special effect")

Although we could say that It shouldn't be a list but instead a program for judging a team (somehow)
[[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Partially because Smeargle throws a Curveball to all but identifiers 1 and 4. And at least if you want Types, Marriland has an excellent program for that kind of stuff. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Why dont we just erase the tier page and just create a new pokemon wiki based off of the discussion of our teams and how to improve them. (if this passes I call admin) and also in that case for smeargle it would rank high (if I wasnt clear on #5 its strategizing your moves. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ummm. calm down, I was just stating that With that system, people would get the idea that Smeargle was really good, when it really... isn't. it's just okay. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gallade ==

Why is Gallade BL? Looks pretty good for OU to me. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:Smogon says it's OU. One of the reasons why this list of tiers should not exist, since there are many. tc26 23:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R ==

Shouldnt a F.E.A.R rattatta be OU becuase it can take down most non-ghost type pokemon? for you out there wondering what a F.E.A.R rattatt is its a rattatta with quick attack focus sash and endeavor. Goes like this opponett attacks focus sash leaves 1 hp rattatta uses endeavor opponett has 1 hp rattatta uses QA foe is KO not this can only be used in cases when no EXP will be gained. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Because everybody's watched Marriland vs. Untouchable, and knows that something is up when a Lv. 1 Rattata pops out of a battle that has been Lv. 100 since. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Uhmm... FEAR Rattata is easily beaten if you know how. Just switch out into Gengar and the FEAR strategy is over. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 13:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Don't forget the fact that if you don't have a Gengar, you can just switch into another Pokémon on the turn when {{m|Quick Attack}} is used. Quick Attack doesn't do much damage, the other Pokémon is allowed to use any attacking move they please. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

== Borderline Tier ==

We should consider merging the Borderline tier with the OU tier since they're almost the same. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 17:02 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== Good Pokemon in the wrong tier ==

I can't believe how many good Pokémon are in the wrong tier! Gallade? Honchkrow? Huh? HUH?!
[[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 15:29 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:I think Honchkrow should AT LEAST be BL. Coz if it holds scope lens and has super luck and uses night slash which is STABBED, it has a 50% chance of critical hitting. Furthermore, Sky Attack which also has a high critical hit can also do massive STABBED damage, though it isnt the best of attacks, and it does have poor defenses... but it could be possibly Baton Passed into.--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==You guys are morons/you need to fix something (two separate things here)==
1. You don't get to come in here and decide where pokémon fall in tiers. Get a clue. If you want to change the tiers ask around and find out where to go.

2. The bottom blurb about Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu should include Scyther.

OK BYE! [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 03:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

===HELLO, POSTSCRIPT:===
Garchomp was moved to Ubers by Smogon. While they don't really dictate what is and what is not in which tier, would it be worth moving him here as well? Just a thought. — [[User:Antarctica|antarctica]] | [[User talk:Antarctica|talk]] 14:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Medicham (Pokémon)

2008-09-03T21:56:22Z

Antarctica: what the hell, "amasing"? that's not even king's english :/

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ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 Spd |
expyield=153 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Red |
catchrate=90 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=medicham |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Medicham''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''チャーレム''' ''Charem'') is a dual-type {{2t|Fighting|Psychic}} Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Medicham's position of its humanshape body resembles a yoga practictioner, with a gray body and what seems to be large red and yellow pants or shorts. It wears some sort of headpiece that is also red with three yellow spots in the center. Its large focused eyes are slightly covered by the headpiece, and its red lips seem to be in a rounded or puckered position.
====Gender differences====
The strange growth on top of Medicham's head is shorter on a female.

===Special abilities===
Medicham's meditation have caused it to develop a sixth sense, allowing for extreme focus as well as elegant movement. Its agility allows it to deliver devastating hits to its opponents.

===Behavior===
Medicham do daily {{m2|Meditate|meditation}} to hone their spiritual power. In the process they have gotten psychic powers such as reading people's minds at will. Because they are so focused in meditation, they will often go without food for a whole month or eat only little. They meditate in the wild and are known to use bushes, rocks or anything in nature to hide themselves from humans and other Pokémon. When Medicham are in battle, they will use dance-like movement to dodge attacks and then attack back fiercely.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Mountain Pokémon|Mountain Pokémon]]]]

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
It survives on only one berry per month.

==In the anime==
Medicham first appeared during the [[Fallarbor Town]] Contest under the ownership of [[Grace (coordinator)|Grace]] during ''[[AG050|Pros and Con Artists]]'' and ''[[AG051|Come What May]]''.

[[Arena Tycoon Greta]] battled against {{Ash}} with a {{TP|Greta|Medicham}} in ''[[AG149|Wheel of Frontier]]''. The Meditation Pokémon was literally crushed by [[Ash's Snorlax]].

Medicham and its pre-evolution were owned by a family of traveling circus performers in ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]''. The two Meditation Pokémon used {{m|Psychic}} to make balls of water retain their form.

A Medicham was a member of [[Team Meanies]] in ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]].

==In the manga==
Medicham made a cameo in {{Special|Ruby}}'s Normal Rank Beauty on Verdanturf City

==In the TCG==
{{main|Medicham (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Medicham is a member of [[Team Meanies]]. It attempted to climb [[Wish Cave]] with {{p|Ekans}} but gave up on the twentieth floor and had to be rescued by the player.
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]]: Medicham is one of the members of Team Charm.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=fighting
|gen=3
|rubydex=It is said that through meditation, Medicham heightens energy inside its body and sharpens its sixth sense. This Pokémon hides its presence by merging itself with fields and mountains.
|sapphiredex=Through the power of meditation, Medicham developed a sixth sense. It gained the ability to use psychokinetic powers. This Pokémon is known to {{M|meditate}} for a whole month without eating.
|emeralddex=Through crushingly harsh yoga training, it gained the power to {{m2|Mind Reader|foretell its foe's actions}}. It battles with elegant, dance-like movement.
|firereddex=It elegantly avoids attacks with dance-like steps, then launches a devastating blow in the same motion.
|leafgreendex=It elegantly avoids attacks with dance-like steps, then launches a devastating blow in the same motion.
|diamonddex=Through yoga training, it has honed its sixth sense. Its movements are elegant.
|pearldex=Through daily meditation, it hones its spiritual power. It can sense what others are thinking.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability |
gen=3 |
type=fighting |
rsrarity=Uncommon |
rsarea={{ho|Victory Road}} |
coloarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Meditite}} |
xdarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Meditite}} |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea={{rt|217}}, [[Acuity Lakefront]], [[Mt. Coronet]], {{si|Victory Road}} |
palarea=Mountain
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fighting color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Evolve from {{p|Meditite}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Endless Level 16 Endless Level 35 Forever Level 65 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| Evolve from {{p|Meditite}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Panula Cave]] [[Fiore Temple]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Lost Wilderness]] (B1-B17)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=60 |
Attack=60 |
Defense=75 |
SpAtk=60 |
SpDef=75 |
Speed=80 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=fighting|
type2=Psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Medicham}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|fighting|psychic|4|3|Medicham}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Meditate|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|15|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|18|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|20|Feint|Normal|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|25|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|29|Force Palm|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|32|Hi Jump Kick|Fighting|Physical|100|90|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|42|Power Trick|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|49|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|55|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Fighting|Psychic|4|3|Medicham}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM08]]|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM60]]|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|60|100|5|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM67]]|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM84]]|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|fighting|psychic|4|3|Medicham}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}} {{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}}|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Hitmonchan}}|Bullet Punch|Steel|Physical|40|100|30|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}}|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Sableye}}|Fake Out|Normal|Physical|40|100|10|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}}|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Hitmonlee}} {{p|Sableye}} {{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}} {{p|Lucario}}|Foresight|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Guard Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}}|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Power Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electabuzz}}, {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmortar}}|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|3}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|fighting|psychic|4b|3a|Medicham}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Metronome|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{tutor/note|4}}

====Special moves====

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=fighting |
ndex=308 |
PinRSevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Mt. Discipline |
P1= The mystical power of nature--that is yoga! |
P2= So swiftly, my health has fallen to half. |
P3= I stand on the brink... This may be my last act of elegance... |
PL= Leveled up! The power of yoga permeates me! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Psychic |
typeA= Fighting |
field= Crush x2 |
loop=9 |
MinEXP=52 |
MaxEXP=76 |
browser= Medicham moves as if it were dancing. The impact of its kicks is astounding. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1|307|Meditite|2|Fighting|Psychic|[[Level|Level 37]]|308|Medicham|2|Fighting|Psychic|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=fighting|
gen=3|
gender=both|
ndex=308|
name=Medicham|
}}

==Trivia==
*[[Jupiter]]'s appearance bears resemblance to Medicham.
* Thanks to it's trait, Medicham can reach an amazing 480 max attack, the third highest attack stat in the game (or second if {{p|Marowak}} with [[Thick Club]] is not counted).

===Origin===
It appears to have been based on a practitioner of {{wp|yoga}}. It could also be based off of the Street Fighter Character Chun Li.

====Name origin====
Medicham's name may be a combination of ''meditate'' and ''champion''. Its Japanese name may be based on ''charm''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Meditalis
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Charmina
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 요가램 ''Yogarem''

==Related articles==
*[[Greta's Medicham]]

==External links==

*[[wp:Medicham|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Meditite | next=Electrike }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Meditalis]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

[[fr:Charmina]]
[[ja:チャーレム]]
[[pt:Medicham (pokémon)]]

Dawn's Ambipom

2008-09-03T02:54:26Z

Antarctica: /* With Ash */

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
trainername=Dawn|
pokemonname=Ambipom|
jtrainername=ヒカリ|
jpokemonname=エテボース|
tmtrainername=Hikari|
tmpokemonname=Eteboth|
image=[[Image:Ambipomcontest.jpg|225px]] |
caption=Dawn's Ambipom |
gender=Female |
prevonum=190|
evo1num=424|
location=[[Indigo Plateau]] |
epnum=AG178|
epname=Slaking Kong|
evolution=1|
firstevoep=DP060 |
firstevoname=Journey to the Unknown! |
firststagename=Aipom|
numeps1=73|
traded=yes|
tradeep=DP055|
tradename=Throwing the Track Switch|
oldtrainer={{Ash}}|
newtrainer={{an|Dawn}}|
current=[[Party|With Dawn]]|
enva2=[[Emily Jenness]]|
java1=[[Miyako Itō]]|
java2=[[Chie Satō]]|
}}

'''Dawn's Ambipom''' (Japanese: '''ヒカリのエテボース''' ''Hikari's Eteboth'') is the only Pokémon to be captured by [[Ash Ketchum]] in the [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier saga]]. Much later, she was traded to {{an|Dawn}} in exchange for {{AP|Buizel}}. Her Japanese voice actress is 佐藤智恵 ''[[Chie Satō]]'' and her English voice actress is [[Emily Jenness]]. As an Aipom, she was voiced by 伊東みやこ ''[[Miyako Itō]]'' in both English and Japanese.

==History==

===With Ash===
[[Image:Ash_aipom.jpg|As an Aipom, wearing a flower crown.|thumb|left|150px]]
Aipom was first seen in ''[[AG178|Slaking Kong]]'', worshipping a giant, mechanical {{p|Slaking}}. However, she also stole [[Ash's hat]], much like [[Ash's Primeape]] did [[EP025|more than 400 episodes before]]. Aipom soon reappeared in ''[[AG179|May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!]]'', stealing the hats of the participants before making off with Ash's hat again. In ''[[AG181|Channeling the Battle Zone]]'', after watching May in the Grand Festival, Aipom became thrilled with battling and challenged Ash and his Pikachu for a battle; as he won, Ash finally captured her.

In ''[[AG182|Aipom and Circumstance]]'', Aipom became jealous of [[Ash's Pikachu]]'s closeness to Ash. Aipom also seems to have a certain penchant for headgear; aside from taking Ash's and other participants' hats, Aipom wore a daisy chain on her head and put on a ceremonial crown that the locals had trouble getting off. Aipom's gender was confirmed in the Japanese version of ''Aipom and Circumstance''; while Aipom was nearby gathering flowers, {{an|May}} said, 「エイパムやっぱり女の子ね？」 ''Aipom is a girl after all, isn't she?''. In [[DP048]], Dawn also explicitly calls Aipom a girl, and in the dub of ''[[DP039|Steamboat Willies]]'', both Aipom and {{TP|Dawn|Buneary}} are referred to as girls, confirming them to be female.

Aipom enjoys participating in [[Pokémon Contest]]s. Her interest was first perked in ''[[AG180|Thinning the Hoard]]'' where she took an interest in May's battle with Harley. Aipom also watched her battle with Drew before enticing Ash into catching her. In ''[[DP011|Mounting a Coordinator Assault]]'', Aipom was entered into her first contest with Ash. They got through the Appeal Round but lost the first battle round to [[Zoey]] and her {{TP|Zoey|Glameow}}. In ''[[DP022|Borrowing on Bad Faith]]'', Aipom entered an unofficial contest under the command of [[Jessie]] and won against [[Dawn's Pachirisu]]. Zoey suggested that Ash give Aipom to Dawn.

While Ash had Aipom, she usually sat on his left shoulder when outside of her Poké Ball, in contrast to Pikachu sitting on his right shoulder.

[[Image:Satoshitoeipam.jpg|Ash and Aipom.|thumb|right|150px]]
In order to bring back {{AP|Torkoal}} to battle [[Pyramid King Brandon|Brandon]]'s {{p|Registeel}}, Ash sent Aipom to [[Professor Oak]], where Aipom had quite a bit of trouble adjusting to the new environment and lack of Ash. However, after Ash's second defeat, Aipom returned.

When Ash left for [[Sinnoh]], leaving all his Pokémon but {{AP|Pikachu}} behind as he did when leaving for [[Hoenn]], Aipom snuck aboard the boat he was traveling on to accompany him on his new journey. During her journey through Sinnoh, Aipom has defeated [[Paul's Chimchar]] in battle and helped Ash capture his {{TP|Ash|Starly}}. Ash also used her in his first two Gym battles in the region.

Aipom put up a fight against [[Roark's Cranidos]] in Ash's first match, however, she lost. In their rematch she fought {{p|Geodude}}. She also fought in Ash's second Gym Battle as well, going against [[Gardenia]]'s {{p|Roserade}}, which resulted in a victory, giving Ash his {{badge|Forest}}.

===With Dawn===
[[Image:Dawn&Ambipom.jpg|Dawn and Ambipom.|thumb|left|150px]]
In ''[[DP055|Throwing the Track Switch]]'', Ash began the training for his next Gym battle in [[Veilstone City]]. However, [[Dawn's Buizel]] seemed to be more interested in Ash's battle training and thus couldn't set its mind on Dawn's training; meanwhile Ash's Aipom appeared to have a similar problem in Ash's training because it tended to be more interested in Dawn's Contest training. Then Zoey proposed that Ash and Dawn trade them. After some soul-searching, the trainers agreed, and the trade took place.

In ''[[DP060|Journey to the Unknown!]]'', Aipom managed to learn {{m|Double Hit}}. {{si|Kenny}} appeared and told Dawn that Aipom would evolve soon. Later in the episode, when Dawn was being attacked by a group of {{p|Unown}}, Aipom jumped in front of Dawn to protect her and evolved into {{p|Ambipom}}.

In ''[[DP061|Team Shocker!]]'', Dawn used Ambipom in her appeal for the {{to|Solaceon}} {{pkmn|Contest}}, but failed to pass the Appeal Round. [[Zoey]] explained to Dawn that she failed due to an overuse of {{m|Swift}}, blocking {{p|Ambipom}} from view. Ambipom also learned how to break dance, by spinning its tail to make waves of Swift attacks.

In ''[[DP067|Crossing the Battle Line!]]'', Dawn used Ambipom in her gym battle against [[Maylene]]. She defeated Maylene's {{p|Meditite}}, however she was defeated by [[Maylene's Lucario]].

In [[DP077]], Dawn once again used Ambipom for the appeal round in the [[Wallace Cup]]. She managed to pass the round by dazzling the judges with {{m|Swift}}, {{m|Focus Punch}}, and {{m|Double Hit}}.

==Moves used==
[[Image:Ambipomdoublehit.jpg|Ambipom using {{m|Double Hit}}.|thumb|right|180px]]
* {{m|Scratch}}
* {{m|Fury Swipes}}
* ''{{m|Swift}}''
* ''{{m|Focus Punch}}''
* ''{{m|Double Team}}''
* ''{{m|Double Hit}}''
(Moves that have been used most recently are italicized)
{{-}}

==Trivia==
*For [[DP014]], [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about Aipom. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about her: エイパムが　しっぽでつかむ　サトシのハート ''{{tt|Eipam|Aipom}}, it seizes with its tail, Satoshi's heart.''
*Aipom is one of the few Pokémon on the show to have its gender explicitly stated via dialog multiple times, including the dub of ''[[DP039|Steamboat Willies]]''.
*Aipom is one of the few main characters' Pokémon to be traded, along with [[Jessie's Lickitung]] and [[Ash's Butterfree]].
*Aipom shares some similarities with another of Ash's primate Pokémon, {{AP|Primeape}}. Both evolved while not owned by him - Primeape in the wild and Ambipom with Dawn. Both of these Pokémon have also annoyed Ash by stealing his {{AP|hat}}.
*Aipom is the fourth Pokémon to take Ash's hat, after the aforementioned {{AP|Primeape}}, then {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{an|Latias}}.
*Aipom is one of only a few Pokémon to defeat [[Brock's Croagunk]], while under Ash's control. The others are [[Paul's Torterra]] and three {{p|Psyduck}} seen in [[DP087]].
*Due to now being Dawn's Pokémon, Aipom is the only Pokémon owned by a main character that was introduced ''before'' the character.
*Ambipom took as many episodes to evolve as another Pokémon that had a crush on Ash: {{AP|Chikorita}}. They are both {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} as well, and they have very similar English and Japanese names.
*Ambipom is the first, and as of the most recent Japanese episode only, of Dawn's Pokémon to evolve.
*Ambipom is the second traded Pokémon in the anime to evolve, after [[James's second Weepinbell]].
*Ambipom battled in the first three Gyms of Sinnoh, despite being traded to {{an|Dawn}} before Ash arrived in Veilstone City.
*For ''[[DP073|Crossing Paths!]]'', [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about Dawn's Ambipom. This makes her the first Pokémon character to be the focus of the lecture twice.
*Aipom was the first of five {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} to be in the party of a member of the main cast during the [[Diamond & Pearl series]], followed by {{TP|Brock|Sudowoodo}}, {{TP|Ash|Gligar}}, {{TP|Jessie|Yanma}}, and {{TP|Dawn|Swinub}} (second if one counts {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}}).
*Aipom was the only Pokémon Ash caught in the Battle Frontier series.
*Ambipom is Dawn's only Pokémon to have the same English voice actress as her.

==Related articles==
*{{Animespeciesevo1|Aipom|Ambipom}}
*[[Ash's Aipom (9th Movie Half Deck 10)]]

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/poke/r_p-hikari5.html Eteboth's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

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Pokémon Platinum Version

2008-08-30T12:53:26Z

Antarctica: /* Aesthetic changes */ - spelling/grammar

:''This article is about the [[main series]] game. For the [[Pokémon Special]] character, see {{Special|Platina}}.''
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'''Pokémon Platinum''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスタープラチナ''' ''Pocket Monsters Platina'') is a sister game to {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, and is the third [[Generation IV]] [[main series]] game. The [[version mascot|mascot]] is {{p|Giratina}}. It will take place in the Sinnoh region and the player's starting location will be [[Twinleaf Town]], just like {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. The game was first seen on May 11, 2008 when a low-resolution cell-phone picture of an upcoming issue of [[CoroCoro]] magazine was leaked around the Internet. On May 15, the magazine was officially released and the game was also officially confirmed by Nintendo.

==Known changes from Pokémon Diamond and Pearl==
===Aesthetic changes===
* {{ga|Lucas}}, {{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Pearl}} will have different outfits designed for colder weather, apparently due to Sinnoh's climate suddenly dropping in temperature.
* The template for the level, HP, and name of Pokémon in battle is a dark gray instead of white and its shape has changed.
* The [[Pokétch]] has been redesigned.
* When Pokémon are sent out from their [[Poké Ball]]s, the back view animation will have been changed, along with the front view animations. Much like the animations introduced in {{game|Emerald}} and carried over to Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, these entry animations will consist of two frames with various distortions to the sprite.
* When battling certain trainers such as [[Gym Leader|Gym Leaders]], their sprites are now animated to move in the same manner as Pokémon.
* Several, if not all of the gyms, have been given redesigns.
* Gym Leader closeups, just before a Gym battle, have been changed from enlarged sprites to higher-quality drawings and the terms VS. 
* When entering new areas, the location 'labels' on the top-left corner have been redesigned.

===Storyline changes===
* The player meets [[Professor Rowan]] and the opposite gender character earlier, and obtains his or her [[starter Pokémon]] at [[Route 201]].
* The player and the rival now encounter [[Cyrus]] at [[Lake Verity]] at the start of the game.
* {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} will both appear on [[Spear Pillar]]. {{p|Giratina}} then phases into [[Pokémon universe|the dimension]] in front of [[Cyrus]].
* A new area known as the [[Torn World]] (Japanese: やぶれたせかい ''Torn World'') will be playable. Screenshots depict it with floor-like sections floating at ninety-degree angles from each other, creating an effect similar to the art of {{wp|M. C. Escher}}. Another one depicts Lucas surfing downward along a waterfall. Giratina, when here, will be in its Origin Forme. It is unknown if other Pokémon will be wild in the area. A video has shown that the camera angle switches between perspective and isometric views to suit the angle of the player. It also shows moving platforms with jumpable gaps between them.
* At least two new characters will be added. One is a professor of [[Team Galactic]], and the other is a police officer spying on Team Galactic, using the codename “[[Handsome]]” (Japanese: ハンサム).
* There will be a battle with the player's rival against [[Flint (Elite Four)|Flint]] and [[Volkner]].
* [[Team Galactic]]'s plans for world domination and the layout of their HQ have been changed. In addition, Team Galactic openly recognizes its goal and is more widely known.

===Gameplay changes===
* Giratina can appear both as Another Forme and Origin Forme in Platinum. It will appear in Origin Forme while in the [[Torn World]], and in Another Forme while out of it. It is unknown if there is an item to transform it to its Origin Forme outside of the Torn World.
* The [[ability]] of the Origin Forme is {{a|Levitate}} and it can learn the moves {{m|Mud Slap}}, {{m|Spite}} and {{m|Outrage}}.
* Shaymin's new forme is called ''Sky Forme'' and takes on a canine appearance. Its [[ability]] is {{a|Serene Grace}} and the form is focused on {{stat|Speed}} and {{stat|Special Attack}}. It will be able to learn new moves like {{m|Air Slash}} and {{m|Leaf Storm}}.
* {{p|Shaymin}} will be able to change between its two forms via the use of the [[Glacidea Flower]] (Japanese: グラシデアのはな). This item will not work at [[Time#Times of day|night]] or if Shaymin is {{status|Freeze|frozen}}.
* {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}} and {{p|Registeel}} will be catchable at level 30 with the help of an [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2008#Movie Regigigas, Japan, June 20-August 31, 2008|event]] {{p|Regigigas}} that has been distributed in Japan.
* The Wi-Fi area has been enhanced with the [[Wi-Fi Square]], which supports up to 20 people at a time. The new area seems to focus exclusively on mini-games, which include ''Rapid Wobbuffet'', where players hit a {{p|Wobbuffet}}, and ''Merry Mime Jr.'', players can balance {{p|Mime Jr.}} on a ball.
* The [[Poffin]] making has been modified with a new feature involving a {{p|Swalot}}-shaped machine, into which [[Berry|berries]] can be thrown. This can be done over Wi-Fi in the new [[Wi-Fi Square]].
* There is a new [[key item]] called the [[Battle Recorder]], which allows players to record battles in which they take part, and share the records with other players over the [[GTS]]. Battle records can be rated by other players upon viewing, and the most popular battle records are displayed for all to see. Players can also take pictures of their [[PC]] boxes and share them with other players in a similar fashion.
* The [[GTS]] has incorporated an E-mail system that allows players to be notified of completed trades. Notification messages are sent to the player's actual E-mail address.
* More Pokémon, such as {{p|Piplup}} and {{p|Chimchar}}, will be allowed in an expanded [[Amity Square]].

===Map changes===
* A new {{si|Battle Frontier}} will take the place of the [[Battle Zone]]. It is confirmed to have the {{si|Battle Tower}} and {{si|Battle Factory}} as venues.
*Areas such as [[Eterna City]] seem to have been refurbished with new foliage and building designs. Other places such as the [[Canalave City]] Library and the [[Route 206|Cycling Road]] have also changed. Snow is also more prevalent.
*An arch now represents the entrance to [[Floaroma Town]]. It is unknown if this will be also applied to other towns and cities.
* The [[GTS]] in [[Jubilife City]] has been improved and now includes a bigger global terminal.
*[[Amity Square]] has been remodeled and has new areas to walk with a Pokémon.
==Possible new Pokémon==
A trailer and a [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/hotnews/06.html post] on the game's official website - both published on August 11 - show five Pokémon silhouettes. Their nature - alternate forms or brand new Pokémon - is not yet known. It has been announced that the items to unlock these Pokémon in the game will be distributed at retail stores as well as via Wi-Fi, during the period between September 28 and November 4, 2008

==Gallery==
<gallery>
Image:PlatinumLogo.PNG|The logo
Image:Platinum Lucas.PNG|{{ga|Lucas}}
Image:Platinum Dawn3.PNG|{{ga|Dawn}}
Image:Jun Platinum.png|{{ga|Pearl}}
Image:Platinumpoketch.png| The new [[Pokétch]]
Image:GiratinaOriginForme.png|{{p|Giratina}}'s [[Form differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]]
Image:ShayminSky.png|{{p|Shaymin}}'s [[Form differences#Shaymin|Sky Forme]]
Image:Platformes?.jpg|Mystery Pokémon
Image:Vs shaymin.gif|Shaymin's Sky Forme in wireless battles
Image:Platshayminskyatks.gif|Two of Shaymin's new moves
Image:Vs giraina origin.gif|Against Giratina's Origin Forme with a new, altered battle screen
Image:Platgvsd.PNG|Giratina VS {{p|Dialga}}
Image:PlatinumNew sprites.gif|New sprites
Image:Platstart.gif|New beginning
Image:Platlucas.PNG|Lucas
Image:Platbattle.PNG|A double battle
Image:PlatinumRegis.gif|{{p|Regice}}'s, {{p|Regirock}}'s, and {{p|Registeel}}'s rooms and {{p|Regigigas}}
Image:PlatinumNew char.gif|Two new characters. Second frame: "The world is at risk. I'm a member of the International Police." Third frame: "Come now, Mars! This is the part where we retreat."
Image:Shaymin glacidea.gif|The [[Glacidea Flower]]
Image:PlatinumSpear pillar.gif|At [[Spear Pillar]]. "Make me a new galaxy! Create for me a universe!"
Image:Torn world.gif|The [[Torn World]]
Image:Platinum2.PNG|[[Floaroma Town]]
Image:PlatinumGalactic.PNG|"The energy to replace this world...I have the power I've dreamed of at my disposal!"
Image:Platgalactic2.PNG|Veilstone Galactic HQ
Image:PlatinumGts.gif|The new [[GTS]]
Image:Platgtsmail.PNG|GTS Mail
Image:Platgyms.gif|Gyms have changed
Image:PlatinumBattle place.gif|Sinnoh's version of the {{si|Battle Frontier}}
Image:Platbtowerfactory.gif|Battle Tower and Battle Factory
Image:PlatinumWifi.gif|Wi-Fi
Image:Platwifi.gif|[[Wi-Fi Square]]
Image:Platwifigames.gif|New Wi-Fi games
Image:Platbattlerecorder.gif|The [[Battle Recorder]]
</gallery>

==Trivia==
*This is the first game where a [[version mascot]]'s primary color is not the name of the game. However, while no color is especially dominant in {{p|Giratina}}'s color scheme, it has gray elements that the "Platinum" may refer to, and the names ''Giratina'' and ''Platina'' share the same word ending.
* Unless the [[Sinnoh Dex]] is altered, Platinum will be the first game to feature a mascot not found in the game's regional [[Pokédex]]. Although this probably is possible since a Pokémon not native to Sinnoh can be traded to [[Diamond and Pearl]] safely before the [[National Dex]] is obtained.
* Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal.
** It also makes [[Generation IV]] the first generation in which two game names have the same first initial in English ('''P'''earl and '''P'''latinum). However, other languages have had the same initial in their game names, with Spanish '''A'''zul and '''A'''marillo for Blue and Yellow and German '''S'''aphir and '''S'''maragd for Sapphire and Emerald. Coincidentally, all three of these are the respective second and third versions of their generation.
* Two of the mini-games feature [[Team Rocket]]'s Pokémon: {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} and {{TP|James|Mime Jr.}}

==External Links==
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/ Official Pokémon Platinum Japanese Website]
* [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/The_Pok%C3%A9mon_Company_officially_announces_Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum Story on Bulbanews]
* [http://www.pokemonplatinum.net/ More Information on Pokémon Platinum]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgBjbpaMVJw Official Pokémon Platinum Trailer]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M2ZVFYkaFQ Second Official Pokémon Platinum Trailer]
* [http://purenintendo.com/2008/02/24/rumor-pokemon-platinum-on-its-way-2009/]

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User:Antarctica

2008-08-26T06:19:10Z

Antarctica: New page: I don't want to talk to you. Go away. We aren't friends. [http://porygoners.info You can stalk me though. How boring.]

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[http://porygoners.info You can stalk me though. How boring.]

Talk:Tier/Archive 1

2008-08-26T03:32:41Z

Antarctica:

*NOTE*: Before you make comments on a pokemons' tier, be sure the conditions are fair. Lower ranked pokemon can beat higher ranked pokemon. This does not mean the tiers need to be fixed. Just because a Butterfree can KO Heracross with Arial Ace does not mean that either pokemon is in the wrong tier. Thank you.

Does this even belong? I mean, sure, it's a good idea to have it, but... eh, I dunno. Either way, in the current state, the article is pretty crappy. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Are you sure about this? ==

As far as I can tell, by watching YouTube videos of Wi-Fi PBR battles, there are not this many tiers, and some Pokémon seem to be placed wrong. I've watched hundreds of battles, and not once have I seen an Aggron or Victreebel, both of which are listed as moderately used. On the other hand, I've seen lots of Pidgeot and Pachirisu, which are both in the never-used category according to this page. Who determined this list, and how did they determine it? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

* I believe it was based off some list posted at some website. I don't know which one. But at any rate, there are three things to consider. One, the rate at which things are used are not equal to how high something is on the tier list. Two, opinions of what goes into what tier vary. For instance, Smogon generally agrees Manaphy is uber tier. Third, technically, it is too early in the competitive battling scene to make a proper, full, tier list. In fact, for that reason alone, I believe this article should be deleted or at least changed to descriptions of each tier only until that time comes. [[User:System Error|System Error]] <nowiki></nowiki> 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::The site was probably Smogon, if you're wondering. Tiers are based mostly off of base stats, types and move pools for each Pokémon. For example, Skarmory is placed in Over Used because of its ability to take a hit and stay standing, due to high Defense and the Steel/Flying types, and its varied move pool. Also, I've never really seen a moderately used tier before, but it makes sense, especially after the changes to game play Diamond and Pearl have made. As a final note, I have also noticed that tiers change rapidly, based on current trends, play styles, and new discoveries. To make the article more accurate and appropriate, we could add a section on controversies, noting such debates as whether Manaphy, Celebi or Tyranitar qualify as Uber or not, and which Pokémon seem to hover between Overused and Borderline. -[[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 00:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

* Also in the recent rush of Trick-Disable pokemon, pokemon such as Kecleon and Mr. Mime have gained a significant boost. I would say MU is fitting for these pokemon. And Sceptile could easily be BL since Worry Seed on Slaking was discovered. These two examples show how in the time between the creation of this list, and now, the metagame has already changed. Also from my personal standpoint, I have seen hundreds of Castforms being used efficiently
User: KarpiFloodcheck 11:55 26 August 2007

*Well, the Sceptile Worry seed trick, to my knowledge, only works in 2-on-2 battles right? The tier list is normally based only on single battles, and the list would have to change quite a lot to be accurate for doubles. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Edits ==

I'm pretty sure Sudowoodo is UU or even MU due to his nice attack and defence stats and decent movepool.
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Because Porygon2 has higher defensive stats than Porygon-Z, he is still a useable option, probably MU.
Wynaut only has 95 base HP, and can usually be beaten in OU. The reason It's usually classed as Uber is because of the fact that if two Wynauts/Wobbuffets meet, the battle is an automatic draw. So the question is, do we want him out of the picture, or allowed in OU and hope that you don't see another?
There are a few decent pokemon listed as OU, that I'm pretty sure are BL, especially on this list, due to the presence of the MU category. These include:
Donphan (Good but questionable)
Dusknoir (Questionable)
Machamp (Slow, generally outclassed by Lucario and Heracross (among others)
Magnezone (4x weakness to the most common offensive type there is.)
Mamoswine (Thought he was MU to be honest)
Medicham (Not bad, but not exactly great either)
Milotic (Outclassed by Suicune.)
Ninjask (the baton passer was a Gen III fad that nobody knew how to deal with. People are wiser now.)
Slowbro (Not sure why he's BL to be honest, good stats, good movepool, and somewhat unpredictable. Suffers from "four-moveslot-syndrome though, this guy has at least ten great moves he could be using. He's probably considered too slow and it's hard to find a spare slot for Trick Room)
Staraptor (Too many weaknesses and not enough defences. He has great attack but he shares his speed with too many others and trails behind many OUs as well.)
Umbreon (This guy was near unbeatable back in Gen III, but didn't get any upgrades from the generation shift that the sweepers got. He is much tougher to use now.)
Weezing (is a good pokemon but is outclassed by Skarmory.)
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:Hey, don't complain to US. We didn't come up with the crappy idea of tiers. So blah. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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1. As far as I'm concerned, Sudowoodo is UU
2. P2 is BL, not MU due to that fact
3. No one is really sure on Wynaut. Some say Uber, some say OU, some even say UU/NU.
4. Hi Garchomp, watch me Ice Shard AND it is one of the best Spinners in the game
5. High defense, Attack, Immunity to most spinners, and Elemental Punches to smack 'em back.
6. Have YOU ever eaten a No Guard DynamicPunch?
7. Hi Skarmory, stay a while, eat a ThunderBolt
8. Okaaaaaaaaaaay, High Attack, good Typing, and Access to two of the most offensive types. Say ByeBye
Garchomp/Salamence/others.
9. Two words. Pure. Power.
10. Rest+Marvel Scale=Not Pretty
11. So people can deal with it. Passing Speed Boost and Swords Dance can be quite scary.
12. Okay. Probably one of the best Bulky Waters in the game. SlackOff, Ice Beam, Surf, Psychic, is on of the best movesets.
Who needs Speed when you have bulk? If what you say is the case, Blissey and 'Zong should be MU also, Eh?
13. First statement that makes sense.
14. Physical dark moves isn't a bonus?
15. Only weak to psychic, Explode, Sludge Bomb. Skar. Weak to Electric and Fire, PHazer with Spikes and Roar/Whirlwind. Need I say more?
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Any more Questions? Oh. And one more thing, THERE IS NO MU TIER! There is Uber, OU, UU, and NU. BL's are OU's but are used less.(This is why I loooooooooooooooooooove reading Smogon.) [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I dunno what's up with the MU tier here, but anyways:

1. Agreed

2. Prob agreed

3. Agreed

4. He is a great spinner, but so are Starmie and Claydol. Being able to counter three OUs with Ice Shard isn't enough to qualify him alone.

5. Perhaps.

6. DynamicPunch is fun on 'Champ, especially combined with Stone Edge. However, if he's using it, he gives Dusknoir/Gengar a free switch in, and then they nail him with Will-O-Wisp. Not to mention the PP problems he will encounter. And as previously stated, he is simply too slow. Even with absolute max speed, a Jolly Scarf-Champ can't outrun a Jolly/Timid Infernape (and upward) or an Adamant Weavile (among others). I suppose, however, that in BL a Scarf-Champ could devastate all opposition so maybe OU is right.

7. Yea, he tears right through Skarmory, as well as Choice Metagross after it uses Meteor Mash. Unfortunetly, he's not good at much else.

8. Mamoswine isn't bad, but his speed is mediocre and his strongest physical Ice attack is Avalanch/Ice Fang. His movepool isn't great but since I just realized that he can learn Stone Edge he may be OU after all.

9. Pure Power is nice, putting his max attack at a whopping 480 (just a notch above Rampardos), however that requires an Adamant nature, leaving him at only 284 speed. His movepool isn't great either, and he's usually stuck with High Jump Kick as his fighting STAB and Psycho Cut as his Psychic. His other two attacks can be: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Bulk Up, or Rock Slide (No Stone Edge). Unfortunatly, he has poor defences, so a faster pokemon with Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse and good Sp Attack(Alakazam, for instance) can OHKO. Further, since Psychic resists both STABs and Medicham can't learn Night Slash (or other Ghost/Dark physical moves), bulky Psychics (like Claydol, but watch for Ice Punch, or Slowbro, barring ThunderPunch) can wall him.

10. Rest has the unfortunate side effect of putting Milotic to sleep. Giving the opponent two turns to do whatever he wants to your Milotic is never healthy. I can already see the Gyrarados switching in, taunting and Ddancing.

11. The problem with Ninjask using swords dance is that he can be OHKOd by any solid attack, due to his miserable defences. It is therefore tricky to get the Swords Dance in without taking a big hit. He can be used well with a set like this, however: Baton Pass, Protect, Substitute, X-Scissor. This is normally passed to a pokemon with nice Attack/Sp. Attack, but poor Speed (such as Heracross).

12. Yea, Slowbro is super-cool, but defensively, he has quite a few common weaknesses: Electric, Grass, and Ghost/Dark. Your set doesn't have Calm Mind, and most Special attackers carry at least one of those types. Slowbro just can't voer everything it needs to with only four move-slots. However, it is certainly possible for him to be OU.

13. Yea, to me it seems a lot of people overrate this guy.

14. Physical dark move isn't a bonus when your base attack is 65.

15. Attacking isn't his specialty, due to low speed and mediocre offenses. Used defensively, he is too easy to beat with Special attacks because of 65 base HP and Pain Split as his best recovery move.

Also got a new one for you. Articuno. He is a real dipstick as a pokemon of course, however he learns the devastating combo Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. I believe he is usually classed BL (or MU here) but with this combo, many people say he can be used fairly in the Uber environment, because most Ubers can normally KO him with two attacks anyway. What do you think? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 18:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

4. However, Its weaknessess, Grass, Water ,and Ice. Starmie: Grass, Electric, Ghost, Dark, and Bug. Claydol: Bug, Ghost, Grass, Dark, Water, and Ice. See a trend?

6. Maybe BL, but I look at the Definition. "BL Pokémon are stong enough to compete in OU, but the only difference is usage."

7. BL maybe, since it isn't used much. However, Magnezone has the defense to withstand a couple physical attacks and 13 resistances.

9. Or 426, since it is EXTREMELY RARE to see a 'cham sans scarf

10. Do you know what Marvel Scale does? 'dos doesn't have a Physical SE attack. It can learn Thunder/bolt, but wait! 60 Base Sp. Atk? I don't think so. Oh. And there is this wonderful Move called Sleep Talk. Helps bunches.

11. Magical Item, Focus Sash. Swords dance, get the speed boost, and get the heck out!

12. OR: Calm Mind, Surf, Psychic, Slackoff, you lose your coverage against Dragons, but Ice Beam is so common anyway.

14. Better than 60 Sp. Atk. It can wish, Toxic, and Annoy beyond recognition.

15. Yes, but One weakness sans Gravity/Iron orb helps bunches

Articuno. You know, most tourneys don't allow that kind of crud. Articuno is a one trick pony, with its trick being banned 99.9% of the time.

Good day [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic's Marvel Scale doubles his defence, it's true; however, after a few Ddances, Dos will have insane Att and Speed, and after a Taunt, Milotic won't be able to use rest or recover anyway (will he be allowed Sleep Talk? Unsure). He'll be forced to use Surf or Ice beam (or whatever, she doesn't learn any Electric attacks anyway) against Gyrados' good HP and SP Def.

Ninjask with Focus Sash could be interesting... but he'll only be useable once. Also, if the opponent has any priority move, 'Jask will be KOd before it can BPass.

For Umbreon, is 65 Attack really any better than 60 Sp Attack? Either way, your attacks won't do any damage. This guy is used exactly the way he was in the previous generation:Mean Look, BPass, Toxic, Wish/Moonlight. He's another guy who could use ten moveslots, for things like Taunt, Substitute and Confuse Ray.

Agreed on Articuno lol. But I do think he's allowed in Ubers with Mind Reader + Sheer Cold. Maybe he should be on the list twice with a footnote?
[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic would still probably be BL though.

There are 8 or nine priority moves. Most Ninjask are leads. I'm a little curious. How common are priority moves on leads? What are the chances? If it's not a lead, UU definitely, but Ninjask that AREN'T leads are slim to none.

Like I said, "ANNOYER"!

IF, and that is a mighty big IF, Crud like that is allowed, Smeargle, believe it or not does a better job, since it can trap, sleep, read, and OHKO. ANYTHING with Mind Reader/OHKO Move could be considered Uber due to your logic.

[[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 20:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Milotic: At least BL, no argument there.

I don't know exactly how common priotity moves are on leads, but I do know that Weavile is very often used as a lead and frequently carries Ice Shard.

Umbreon... Are we arguing or agreeing on him? I'm lost lol.

So, should Smeargle and Articuno be in their respective classes, with a note about Uber? I think they're the only ones who get that combo. (Game Freak probably just gave it to Articuno because they felt sorry for him lol.)[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought most Weavile leads had Ice Punch, but I could be wrong, and just because something is counterable doesn't make it awful.

lol, I'm not sure, I know we started arguing, then I said 65 is better than 60, or annoyer. then you said it was an annoyer, so I think we agreed.

Ummm, no. just becaus something can do mind reader/OHKO, does not mean it's uber. Most of the Pokémon with both move means they have horrible stats. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing about Weavile is that it has five great moves: Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Shard (Occasionally they carry Aerial Ace, Focus Punch or Swords Dance as well). Of those five moves, All Weavile will have at least three. It actually isn't rare to see a Weavile with both Ice Punch and Ice Shard. Ninjask is probably a decent opener overall if you pair it with the right pokemon (Heracross, physical Infernape, etc.).

Ok, so Umbreon = good annoyer, but not as good as in Gen III (What a shame, mine dominated the Battle Tower). 65 really is no better than 60 though, as he isn't attacking anyways.

You're probably right on Articuno and Smeargle, though. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Tropius is NU? ==

Does that mean I've used an NU Pokémon to beat the Elite Four in Emerald? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Elite four don't have anything to do with the tier list. Face it: they've got brains of cow droppings. This list is solely applicable in player vs player single battles.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

===Dewgong!===
Dewgong shouldn't be NU either. I used it in the Battle Tower to beat a Dragonite '''and''' a Garchomp in one move each, and they're both OU. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 18:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hate to say it but Dewgong is NU. He has a horrible movepool and some sad stats. And hello? Dragonite and Garchomp both have 4x weaknesses to it's STAB attack! How could it not OHKO?[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hydration + Rest? In a rain dance party, that thing can be a bitch.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Whoa. I overlooked Hydration. I suppose his moveset will always be Surf/Ice Beam/Rain Dance/Rest simply because he's got no other moves. Of course, this makes him really predictable (never a good thing) as he can't use any choice items or anything different really. His type coverage won't be great since water and ice don't really mesh, and a simple bulky water will easily wall him. Let's not forget that his base special attack and speed are still only 70, and his defences are slightly better, and 90 hits, 80 def, and 95 spec def. To be honest, however, it still appears that he can hold against most pokémon. I'm still looking for an outright flaw that totally ruins him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

===HUNTAIL?! PARASECT?!===
{{p|Huntail}}??? NU???? In what fantasy dream realm is a Pokémon with base 104 Attack, STAB {{m|Waterfall}}, base 105 Defense, base 75 Special Defense, base 94 Special Attack, STAB {{m|Surf}}, and a possible 446 Speed stat in rainy weather, not to MENTION its other move options: {{m|Ice Beam}}, {{m|Ice Fang}}, {{m|Crunch}}, and even {{m|Aqua Tail}}, in NU? Huntail can wipe the floor with the NU tier!
And Parasect! Base 95 attack, base 80 defenses, and such low speed that it can outspeed countless opponents in {{m|Trick Room}} conditions, Access to {{m|Cross Poison}}, {{m|X-Scissor}} (with STAB, no less!), and {{m|Spore}}, the most reliable sleep-inducing move in the game, and it's NU? I don't think so. Kinda like a Trick Room-friendly {{p|Crobat}} with a [[Spore (move)|more reliable version]] of {{m|Hypnosis}}, and more Attack.[[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 19:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Huntail has miserable speed and hitpoints, and his movepool's pretty sad. Using Waterfall and Ice Fang, your attacks have lower power, or using Surf and Ice Beam, your offensive stat are lower. Although to some point, I must agree, he could be UU, he'd just be a bottom-of-the-rung UU.
Parasect also has poor hitpoints and horrible typing. As most experienced gamers will know, fire- and flying- types are rare in the OU environment, due to weaknesses (*cough* Charizard/Moltres), poor movepools (Ninetails/Swellow), poor stat distribution (*cough* Flareon/Entei *cough*) and poor type coverage. They are usually stuck in UU and NU with Parasect, who happens to have a 4x weakness to both types. Parasect could be fun with Trick room, but how many Trick Room users do you see in NU? He also has problems with his abilities. With Dry Skin, you're essentially increasing his water resistance, but why do you need it? Parasect would also have some SunnyBeaming possibilities, but not with Dry Skin. Further, it turns his 4x fire weakness into an 8x fire weakness. Therefore, Effect Spore is a necessity. However, with Effect spore, if the opponent is hit with a condition, you can no longer use Spore to put him to sleep. Parasect going to be NU for a long time.[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In a double battle situation, Parasect with dry skin double resists earthquake and is healed by surf. That right there is well worth having.[[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 12:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The list, however, is totally unrelated to doubles. Even then, the doubles environment is really suited more toward fast hard-hitters like Weavile and Infernape, and pokémon with 95 attack and a miserable 30 speed really shouldn't be used. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Protected page, please==
Any smhuck(no offense) can edit this and say their pokemon is uber, etc. Discussion like this should be relegated to the forums, where such discussion does not interfere. Somethign along the lines of the smashboard forums, that relegate smash characters, (periodically updated here by an admin) would work nicely imo.[[User:Dark0805|Dark0805]] 14:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it should be protected, but it should be accurate first, I would think. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 01:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:I'm talking to TTEchdina right now and I'm suggesting it to him......--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

==Delete It==
There is no official tier list. Many people/websites have their own tier lists. For example, some people say that Wynaut is Uber, while some say that it is BL. What is up with that? Obviously, the Tier List has no true content. May we delete it?

:Hold you're horses, Cowboy! Before putting a ''Delete'' tag on it, ask other users about what they think. This is like the [[Bulbapedia:The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot]]. Many people think that it should be delete, yet some do not. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::I kinda think that we should delete it. After all, this is one of the things that people could put their own shit in it (Along with the Great Turkey Shoot. That page is a steaming pile of crap now, thanks to people overreacting to vandals. :/) and.. yeah. Although, if many people think that we should keep it, protect it instead from either new members or only admins. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm for deleting it too, it's a unofficial fan list that may have too many errors in it. Plus there is no official list since it was fan-made.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''102''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 17:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Lol. I could care less for both this page and the Turkey Shoot. [[Image:Ani234MS.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|MERRY]] [[Image:Ani385MS.gif]] [[User talk:Theryguy512|CHRISTMAS]][[Image:Ani225MS.gif]] 17:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:Tiers are just a bunch of bullsh*t anyway. I've had my Glaceon kick a Garchomp's a$$ countless times, and they say that Glaceon is UU/BL? Pssshh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, mine did too! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC) XD
:::Now do we all agree to delete it?[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Either that or move it to the Appendix.'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think we should do that.[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's totally fanon. Appendix...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess...[[Image:Ani386MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[Image:Ani386AMS.gif]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[Image:Ani386DMS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']][[Image:Ani386SMS.gif]] 04:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No way should it be deleted! This is probably the most important list ever for the competitive battler! It does need some work though.

:I think that it should <strike>be deleted</strike>. Well, now that I see that it is in Appendix, I guess it could stay. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 02:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, the Appendix namespace is for 'useless' stuff, seeing as many scientists think that the {{wp|Appendix}} is useless...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 04:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Yea, I know. And sometimes, appendixes get removed from the body.......get my connection? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I was wondering what it was doing in the main namespace in the first place...and I do get what you mean. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::::They get removed if they're diseased. Does this appendix look diseased to you? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 01:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, a system where {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Wynaut}} are classified the same '''HAS GOT TO GO!''' It should at least be posted by one of these Admins that the page is disputed. [[User:Venomoth|Venomoth]] 22:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hitmonchan UU?! ==

I really think Hitmonchan should be a Border Line. It knows Three STAB Piority First Moves, Can Learn the All Mighty BoltBeam Combo (With Ice/Thunder Punch, of course) And for Crying Out loud, it can Own Blissly In one shot, or atleast Mine can. So please put Hitmonchan in BL, not UU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Uh.. *shrugs* We didn't come up with this list, so.. yeah. Can't help you there. Tiers are crap anyway -- they seriously, imo, mean absolutely nothing. And I'm a big competitive battler too. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

He's not BL, MU at best.
Well, maybe he could be BL. He'd have really nice type coverage from a Choice set like this: Close Combat, Stone Edge, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch. Unfortunately, His Base Attack is too low to use on a Scarf set, or with a Band set, he'd be a pretty slow pokemon. Overall, however, Heracross massively outdoes him. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I beg to Differ! --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Quick Man. I've used Hitmonchan consistantly in OU battles with Elemental Punches + Drain Punch. (Yes I know that move is crud. but try using it with an Iron Fist Hitmonchan against TTar. I've Recovered almost full health from brink of disaster. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Maybe Tiers have Seperate Articles? ==

Okay the more I look at this talk page, the more "Why the hell is so-so in so-so when he can.. blah blah" I start to see. After awhile, it's going to be too much room for the talk page to handle don't you think? So I thought... that if we ARE gonna keep the tier list (Which I hope we do being a fan of competitive battling) that we make seperate articles for each tier? [[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]
:Hmm.. that's a nice idea.. although like, if we do seperate the tiers into different pages we should have descriptions of what's mostly in there anyway. Like for example, we could say that OU Pokémon have very high stats and a large movepool, and some such as {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Blissey}} can compete in Uber battles because they are strong enough. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

We should put each Pokémon's tier on that Pokémon's page. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  14:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:That works too. But either way, I don't really care which way is done... it's just I don't want to see anything cluttered and such. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not combine the idea? Keep the list here and mention each pokémon's tier on their own page. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Medicham==
Why is Medicham OU? It has horrible stats and a rather small movepool, so it should be moved down to BL. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]]  15:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think its Pure Power ability has something to do with it, which DOUBLES its attack stat.
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I Agree with Shiny Noctowl! I think Medicham DOESN'T have what it takes to be a OU! I say BL, or even MU.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]][[Image:Ani107MS.gif|{{{2|107}}}]] 17:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Have YOU ever eaten a Pure Power Elemental Punch? Not pretty. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:Well, although I haven't studied Medicham yet... I kinda have to agree about the Pure Power thing. But I'm also going to side on both sides here, cause it still has bad stas and a not so nice of a movepool... although it does have roles under its belt. :P [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

@Quick Man: (Bear in mind this is not directly at you) BL is just OU that is used less. Try again. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think probably BL. He's just a bit too fragile. BL is not OU that is used less, It's actually supposed to be for those too strong to be UU. However, here we have MU for some reason...[[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 20:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Look on Smogon, Pg13 of tier discussions, second post. Look. Oh and btw, look at OUR list again. No MU. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]]

== TIRES DON EXITS ==

Should we have a tier list for the Smash Brothers games? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wait.. there's tiers for SSB too? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::WHAT? Seriously? But....they're only like 20 characters for the SSB games! Is the list like.....10? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 20:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Tier lists are about defining the hierarchy of effectivenenss. With the amount of variables between the different characters, yes, the serious competitive players have come to a consensus on who it is wise to use or not use in the tournament scene. National tournament-winners of Melee almost always use Marth, Fox, Falco or Sheik. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 02:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::::On consideration, I think I'll just note the individual tournament status for {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Mewtwo}} in their own articles. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 12:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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Since Smash is somewhat related to Pokémon, maybe the Smash lists should be somewhere. And yes, there are huge differences between Smash characters, especially in Melee, that require a tier list. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet ==

I think it's worth noting that currently, a test is being conducted to see whether Wobbuffet should be moved to OU. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 15:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed, although I highly doubt it will happen. Oh, and I think (last time I checked) there was some support for moving Garchomp to Uber. I haven't looked recently, so I don't know. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 17:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 
::The agreement now is that Wobby is definetly Uber, and although the Garchomp to Uber thing did get some support, nearly all reputable tier lists still have him in OU. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonite & co. ==

Dragonite is a VERY rare sight on OU battles, since it can't match Salamence and Garchomp, and since BL are for OU-strengh Pokémon with few appearances, I suggest it is moved down to it.
This works for many other Pokémon in the same situation, such as Ambipom.{{ani|277}}[[User:Greysky|'''''Grey''''']][[User talk:Greysky|'''''sky''''']]{{ani|135}} 03:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, It's not used often, but no, it shouldn't be moved. Moving a Pokémon with that power would overcentralize the BL Metagame. Everyone would be forced to carry the strongest Ice Pokémon in BL (I haven't checked who it is). Yes, BL is Pokémon who can solidly compete in OU, but not seen, but it is also for Pokémon too powerful for UU, which is where most BL Pokémon fit. Besides, other than Shelgon, which is rarely seen, Dragonite is the best Dragon-type tank. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Opinions? ==

The tier list just looks like a bunch of opinions to me. A Pokémon's strength depends on its training as much as its species. Some Pokémon, like Magikarp, are obviously inefficent to use in battle, but a Toarkoal (listed as NU, btw) can destroy a Regice (listed OU) in a fair battle, and the list does not reflect many aspects of a Pokémon's value, and it often is based off predjudices such as legendary status. Just thought I would point this out. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 02:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's why its in the appendix, bucko (Snap says this alot?). Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:15 11 May 2008'''''
::Honestly, it really is just opinions. But most of the time, they are fairly valid opinions. Sure, your Torkoal may beat my Regice, but most people wouldn't leave an Ice-type in against a fire. Not all things are biased toward Legendaries. Take Regigigas. It's a legendary, (and a pain in the hind end to get) but last I checked on a reliable source, it was Lower UU/Upper NU. This was discussed somewhere on Serebii where many people wanted to throw tiers out the metaphorical window, but some people disagreed, and almost mobbed the guy. If you absolutely wanted to, sure go in afight with your Torkoal against a Regice, but don't expect to win. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 00:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Midnight Celtic. Just because Torkoal could theoretically beat a Regice, we don't need to assume that the list is wrong. I used a Butterfree-Heracross in an example at the top, however, in reality, Butterfree would lose to almost any pokémon that it couldn't beat with one hit, whereas Heracross is a beast even at the highest level of competition. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:who actually uses a Torkoal with the exception of the hardcore Torkoal fans? (all 3 of them) thats what its getting at. lets face it, people will/would/do use Arcanine or Blaziken ({{tt|etc|i use both, hehe}}). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

::Arcanine? Blaziken? Hello! Infernape!! [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== T-tar ==
A crazy proposition maybe, but maybe we should move Tyranitar up to Uber?
its stat total is actually over 600, because Rock-type's Special Defense increases in sandstorm, and its ability is to whip a sandstorm as it enters.

Ttar's been getting a lot of controversy this generation. Personaly, I don't even know what to support. It's true that his attack is godly and that all his defences are also very strong. However, his speed is a huge letdown. He's also got a big 4x fighting weakness. Further, his sandstorm can be difficult for the rest of the user's team to deal with, and typical Ttar users have to build their entire team around him. Also, if the weather gets changed on him, he suddenly looks really akward (much like Kyogre). Possibly his biggest fear is Bronzong or another bulky tank. The other option is a choice scarf physical sweeper who can KO it before it gets KOed. Probably the biggest example is Scarf-Cross, he's a killer. I can't decide for sure about this, but I'd say that the Beast from GSC is one of the best OUs out there. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear {{p|Tyranitar}},
:{{m|Focus Blast}} or {{m|Aura Sphere}}. You are dead.
::Your friend, {{p|Togekiss}}.

T-tar is very powerful, no doubt at all. however, he is very slow, has poor sp. def., and has a 4x weakness to fighting. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

What Ttar are you talking about? His special defence is base 100 and is doubled by his sandstorm. It's in fact extremely high, even at it's very lowest. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 03:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:whoops. ever since i cut T-tar from my team, i must have forgotten. i was thinking about Aggron. hes easy pickens. either way, Fighting-type moves are very common, and having 5 other weaknesses doesnt help. that and his {{tt|fantastic|sarcasm}} speed make him very difficult to use. why couldnt he be Ground/Dark?!?! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering lol. Being one of only three who can break 500 special defense and one of only two who can break 600 at a whopping 656, he could have the highest Special defense (if he wanted it). [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:Meh, Tyranitar wss always noob to me. Besides, these are just tiers. I usually use Pokémon who are in the lower classes, yet they usually kick ass. So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 25 May 2008'''''

"So, in actual fact, tiers don't matter at all."
Unbelievable. There are people who still think that???
What you're telling us is, that if you had a team consisting of a Ditto, a Caterpie and an Unown, that you'd have a fair chance against a Metagross, a Salamence and a Weavile? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 19:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sure I would. If the Metagross, Salamence and Weavile were not EV-trained and Unown has a good HP (Hidden Power) type, then I would pawn. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:27 28 May 2008'''''
::Absolutely unbelievable.

::You seriously think your opponent not EV training is enough to make up for the huge difference in tier? And to be honest, it really doesn't matter so much what HP your Unown has. The fact remains: IT HAS ONE ATTACK AND LOW STATS. Aiming for the strongest Psychic one possible still leaves you a weak attack and Weavile will completely annihlate him. If you aim instead for type coverage, such as an Ice hidden power, two of the other team's three pokémon will still wall you and take you out with a single attack. The obvious exception is Fire, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would choose a Fire attack to be their only move. Fighting I suppose might be a strong choice, but again, you won't be able to hit Salamence at all, and Metagross very little. If you get a critical hit, you might be able to take out Weavile, and you'd better hope you do, or else Pursuit will finish you. The truth is, because Unown's stats are so bad, it would have to be super effective to do any real damage, even to Weavile. Of course, your team's problems don't end with Unown. All of your pokémon could be OHKO'd by any of your opponent's pokés. If your opponent gets one free turn, then Dragon Pulse sweeps your entire team (I'm assuming Specs-Mence, but Dragon Claw works equally well for the physical variants). And how exactly are you going to stop him? String shot? I'm not just talking about these two teams either. Any NU team vs any OU team has all the same problems. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Uhh, right... -totally convinced- As Fabu-Vinny (I assume it was him) said: TIRES DON EXITS!!!!!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:03 29 May 2008'''''

::Unn. Bee. Leave. A. Bull. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

::Hey, if you wanna discuss this any further, meet me on Shoddy Battle. Bring a Caterpie, an Unown, a Ditto, and 3 other NUs, and I'll take an OU team and I'll be sure not to EV them. I can even give Weavile a modest nature if you want. You will still lose. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Always stronger? ==

"All Pokémon that are not listed here are never used in competitive play because they have an evolved form and evolutions are always stronger than pre-evolutions. There are a few exceptions, however, such as Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu"

Come on people, that doesn't even make sense. Please change it to evolutions are ''nearly'' always stronger. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Past lists ==

Does anyone know where one could find the lists for competitive play in Gens I, II or III ? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 04:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, they're all on Smogon. Does anyone think we should have the older lists on Bulbapedia? [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 02:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Apparently, there's something WRONG with the note at the bottom of the page... ==

Why is Wynaut in the Uber? The bottom of the page says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't shown. And don't say 'Why not?' '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''04:58 29 May 2008'''''

Wynaut has a larger movepool than Wobbuffet, making it one of the few Pokémon stronger than it's evolution if used correctly.
But, in all seriousness, I must say: why not? [[User:King Elemento|Elemento]] 02:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:But when it evolves Wobby can keep the moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Nonono, check the notes. It says that pre-evolved Pokémon aren't there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:38 1 Jun 2008'''''
:::Well, Wynaut's specifically included in the uber tier because of its ability and moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, so where is the Light Ball Pikachu? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:05 1 Jun 2008'''''
::Beats me. You should already know I hate this page... >> Didn't make it, hate to touch it, don't wanna bother to organize it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, I hate it too. I always wondered why no one deleted it. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:18 1 Jun 2008'''''

::::Wynaut is listed because he plays very differently than Wobby. He does not have nearly as much HP and is more geared toward Encore and getting that Destiny Bond in before he dies. He is actually not strong enough to be Uber but he is banned in competition because if two Wynauts/Wobbies meet they trap each other and force a draw. He listed there so that people don't use him. And as for why you people hate this page, well that IS a mystery. [[User:Scarfcrosspwns|Scarfcrosspwns]] 15:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:I remember realizing that if you put a Pokémon in the daycare, it automatically learns moves, and even if you had it in there past its evolution level, you can evolve it by raising it one level. Is it possible to put Wynaut in the daycare and rely on chance to make it learn the right moves, then take it out and turn it in to Wobba? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::Pokémon learn their level-up moves automatically in the daycare. New moves replace old ones. Wynaut only learns moves up to level 15. If it is kept in the daycare longer than that, then it will come out with the four moves it learns at that level. You would have to use up a Heart Scale to make it re-learn any its three original moves. Then evolve. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 23:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Use of Ü ==

I have some knowledge of German and I am pretty sure "Uber" is spelled with a Ü. It's Alt+0220. Is there any reason against using proper German loanwords? --[[User:Clorox|Clorox]] ([[User talk:Clorox|diskussion]]) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:Laziness, as it's not in the character palette... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Here's an idea ==

Why Don't we base it off of a formula off of several things I.E

1.Stats (Of course)

2.How well can It cover Its weaknessess (I.E Torterra would rank high because of stone edge and earthquake which covers all its weaknessess)

3.Large move pool

4.Ability

5.Special moves (I.E ones like Baton Pass,Dragon Dance,Aerial Ace,Ones that have a "special effect")

Although we could say that It shouldn't be a list but instead a program for judging a team (somehow)
[[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Partially because Smeargle throws a Curveball to all but identifiers 1 and 4. And at least if you want Types, Marriland has an excellent program for that kind of stuff. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Why dont we just erase the tier page and just create a new pokemon wiki based off of the discussion of our teams and how to improve them. (if this passes I call admin) and also in that case for smeargle it would rank high (if I wasnt clear on #5 its strategizing your moves. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ummm. calm down, I was just stating that With that system, people would get the idea that Smeargle was really good, when it really... isn't. it's just okay. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gallade ==

Why is Gallade BL? Looks pretty good for OU to me. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:Smogon says it's OU. One of the reasons why this list of tiers should not exist, since there are many. tc26 23:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R ==

Shouldnt a F.E.A.R rattatta be OU becuase it can take down most non-ghost type pokemon? for you out there wondering what a F.E.A.R rattatt is its a rattatta with quick attack focus sash and endeavor. Goes like this opponett attacks focus sash leaves 1 hp rattatta uses endeavor opponett has 1 hp rattatta uses QA foe is KO not this can only be used in cases when no EXP will be gained. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Because everybody's watched Marriland vs. Untouchable, and knows that something is up when a Lv. 1 Rattata pops out of a battle that has been Lv. 100 since. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 21:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Uhmm... FEAR Rattata is easily beaten if you know how. Just switch out into Gengar and the FEAR strategy is over. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 13:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Don't forget the fact that if you don't have a Gengar, you can just switch into another Pokémon on the turn when {{m|Quick Attack}} is used. Quick Attack doesn't do much damage, the other Pokémon is allowed to use any attacking move they please. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

== Borderline Tier ==

We should consider merging the Borderline tier with the OU tier since they're almost the same. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 17:02 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== Good Pokemon in the wrong tier ==

I can't believe how many good Pokémon are in the wrong tier! Gallade? Honchkrow? Huh? HUH?!
[[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 15:29 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:I think Honchkrow should AT LEAST be BL. Coz if it holds scope lens and has super luck and uses night slash which is STABBED, it has a 50% chance of critical hitting. Furthermore, Sky Attack which also has a high critical hit can also do massive STABBED damage, though it isnt the best of attacks, and it does have poor defenses... but it could be possibly Baton Passed into.--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==You guys are morons/you need to fix something (two separate things here)==
1. You don't get to come in here and decide where pokémon fall in tiers. Get a clue. If you want to change the tiers ask around and find out where to go.

2. The bottom blurb about Porygon2 and Light Ball Pikachu should include Scyther.

OK BYE! [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 03:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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== Card images ==

I added images to the following, and I wanted to make sure you took them off the list:
*{{TCG ID|GB 1|Dragonite|Promo}}
*{{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Cool Porygon|15}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Computer Error|16}}
*{{TCG ID|Vending|Mew|S00}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}
Thanks ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:Done. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::I slipped {{TCG ID|VS|Morty's Misdreavus|26}} in there before the last update and {{TCG ID|Expedition|Weezing|32}} now has an image. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Card Translations ==

Hiya, I want to make an article on the [http://www.pokemon-card.com/card/details.php/card/18003 promotional Heatran card] released in Japan, but I can't find a translation of it anywhere, not even PokéGym. Any idea who'd be able to accurately translate it for me? Cheers much, [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't. I would recommend {{u|Nuva-kal}}, who did {{TCG|Vending Machine cards}} translations for us, but there's no guarantee if and when Nuva-kal will show up again...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::I tried to e-mail Nuva-kal when we needed that second attack on {{TCG ID|VS|Bugsy's Butterfree|8}} translated, but he never responded. I would like him to come back though, because I have scans of some {{TCG|"T" Promotional cards}} and {{TCG|"P" Promotional cards}} that I would like pages for. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Intense Fight name ==

Another issue we have is the Intense Fight name conflict you told me about earlier today - apparently, Sunain discussed the name change with Zhen Lin and Tsskiller - are they even affiliated with the TCG section? Regardless, read the argument [[User talk:Sunain|here]]. I think I'm gonna need your and TTE's help with this, 'cos I can't see where she's coming from, yet she's adamant she's right. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:The kanji can be translated multiple ways. For all we know, what Sunain is defending could be just as correct as what [[Pokébeach]] is using. My take on the translations:

:*"Intense Fight" and "Fierce Fighting" could be taken as synonymous.
:*Likewise for "Destroyed Sky" and "Broken Space".

:Besides, Pokébeach can't be blatantly wrong every time, like they were with "[[Moonlit Pursuit (TCG)|Moon Hunting]]" and "[[Dawn Dash (TCG)|Night Dashing]]".

:Conclusion: Sunain shouldn't be b{{tt|*|i}}tching about a translation that cannot be considered outright wrong, no matter how much the source has f{{tt|*|u}}cked up translations in the past. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::As far as I'm aware, Bangiras translated the IFDS name, so I personally have absolutely no reason to doubt that. The only real issue there's been has been "Night Dashing" <--> "Dawn Dash", which was obviously completely wrong. I think that's what Sunain is basing her argument on, which really is nothing at all.

::Another note in regards to IFDS - I understand that WPM isn't happy with Bulbapedia using the information on its page from PokéBeach without citing it as a resource/reference, so perhaps it'd be an idea to somehow credit the site, such as a link to its IFDS page at the bottom of the article? [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 20:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:::IFDS page and two news stories cited. If that's not enough for WPM, then someone should get a full list of what should and report to me. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Thanks for sorting that out - I appreciate it a lot. As far as the IFDS page and expansions infobox go, it doesn't matter that it's an inconvenience, just as long as there aren't any more silly edit wars. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 21:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Deleting talk pages ==
Don't do it. Also, I have been hearing complaints that you have been too harsh in punishing users; while it is true that we don't have hard-and-fast rules about how to deal with problems, look to the other administrators (on Bulbapedia, not anywhere else) for an idea of what is considered normal here. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Two Things (or maybe considered more) ==

Isn't the Psychic Arbok in Great Encounters normal, that's why I had it describing it at the top. And I have encountered the {{TCG|Lucario Gift Set}}, {{TCG|Mew Gift Set}}, {{TCG|Latias & Latios Gift Set}}, and the {{TCG|Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set}}. which say that they are reprints of some cards; Do you know which ones? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== James ==

You don't know your punctuation, do you?
If you are talking about a belonging of someone and their name ends with an S, you do not put apostrophe S, you just have their name and an apostrophe. Your way is '''''not''''' correct. - [[User:Arbok and Weezing|Arbok and Weezing]] 05:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's been discussed over and over before. "James's" is just as appropriate as "James'", especially if it's singular like is used for James's Pokémon ("James'" could refer to something belonging to more than one James). Besides, the overall style of the encyclopedia calls for it to be "James's"--several templates require the names to be that way. We are NOT about to create a huge exception in those templates just to satisfy those who incorrectly believe "James's" is 100% incorrect. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about his Pokemon, it's James' Cacea.
If you're talking about more than one James, it would be there are 10 James running around. Learn to punctuate. - [[User:Arbok and Weezing|Arbok and Weezing]] 06:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:Please read [[Talk:Main Page#James' not James's!!!!!!|this]] and the {{bp|manual of style}}. I will not have flagrant disregard for style going around Bulbapedia on my watch. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 06:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

==Vandal==
We had an edit war at 1:00 AM (PST) today by {{u|Servercrash}}--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind it's been fixed--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

::Autoblocks don't point to a sockpuppet, and neither do the e-mails. Odds are {{u|Arbok and Weezing}} and {{u|Servercrash}} are unrelated. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 06:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:::So one was a spammer and the other an outraged person who's has bad punctuation--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== I Need Something To Do! ==

Hey shiningpikablu252 I have just fixed the awful picture on Purugly's page by replacing it with the offical artwork. Now I've done that could you give me some suggestions on what I can do now to improve bulbapedia? [[User:Agent008]] [[User talk:Agent008]]
:You don't happen to know how to translate Kanji, do you? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::Nope I can't translate any language.But I can clean up talk pages and tidy articles. Should I try that instead. [[User:Agent008]]

:::By "translate Kanji" do you mean converting it to Romaji? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Can you then put Romaji into english? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::If you can give me an example, I can see what I can do. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::It might be a little small but: [[Image:Samiyamantyke137.jpg]] This is Samiya's Mantyke from {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}}. If you can find out what the attacks mean, we can find out what most should say underneath. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The second attack is {{m|Splash}}. I'll see if I can deduce the first. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:It took me a while, but the first move is {{m|Water Sport}}. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Card question ==

What do we do if a card from {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}} and {{TCG|7th Movie Half Deck}} have the same attacks and stats, but have different artwork, do we put them on the same page? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:Put it at the Half Deck name. Use an article such as [[Mew (Expedition 19)]] for an example. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== New vandal ==

{{u|Fatferaligatrfan}}

Please block him. He's replacing and redirecting pages with racist comments. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Um. ==

I can't help but wonder why you copied the contents of your userpage to {{u|Livinlarge18}}'s {{ut|Livinlarge18}}. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 02:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:It was an accident. I meant to put in my automated [[User:Shiningpikablu252/Link Templates|link template message]], and it went awry. I've fixed it so that what was intended to go up has gone up. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::OK, just making sure. Sorry to bother you. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 02:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Hi, I don't think we've "met" yet, I used to contribute a lot up until about a year ago, and now I'm back... I posted a small question for {{u|PAK Man}} since he's an admin I've been in touch with back then, but he refered me to you and said you'll be of more help... Anyway, I'm copy-pasting the whole thing here:

''hi PAK, what's up? Remember me? I wasn't around much this year but now I'm back, and glad to be back... I see a lot's changed here so I'm easing into things... One tiny thing I wanted to ask you as an admin was about "in other languages" sections on articles. I remember a little over a year ago I had an argument with another user (I think it was Maxim) about whether or not we should keep translitations of character names and such in articles. One of the admins (Pie, I think) sided with me eventually, so we kept them. In the meantime, all these names were removed. That part I can understand... But what bothers me a little is that even on pages for Types, many foreign names were removed. I traced back the changes to this user: {{u|Siegfried}}. From what I got from the talk pages, the reason he\she stated was that the games aren't translated to those languages. Thing is, the anime ''is'' translated, and in this particular case of Types, it's not even translitations - it's an actual translation, a different word in a different language. Maybe we should reach a decision on the subject once and for all? Thoughts? (Sorry it was so long, lol :))''

Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 16:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Pic positions ==

Mermaid Misty (List of anime clothing article) and Pokémon Live need their pictures sized and positioned--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, about the Arbok edit war... ==

I'm afraid you're a little late in taking action. We already worked out an agreement, and I simply forgot to un-revert that one. All the information is in the [[Pokémon League entrance exam instructor]] article. So, um, could you please redirect that Arbok page to [[Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Arbok]]? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Public Sandbox ==

Hey pal just to let you know that I'm not treating the public sandbox as my own and that if I overwrite something;then feel free to revert it cause I'm too lazy to do it myself. [[User:Agent008]]

== New User Form Letter ==
Yea you sent me a new user form letter, and I have a comment on one of the things said...
:The word Poké Ball is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a capital B. The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
I always figured it was called a "poké ball" because the "poké" part stands for "pocket" in "pocket monsters" making them "pocket balls" which is why they are able to shrink so small to put on someone's belt or in a "pocket size" [[User:Felinoel|Felinoel]] 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::You never asked a question, you just had a comment. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I guess thats correct, my apologies then [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Some Japanese card concerns ==

I have aquired some disturbing information in my research on Japanese promotions! After comparing pictures and attacks, I think that this {{TCG ID|Information Pack|Ponyta|promo}} card from the {{TCG|Unnumbered Promotional cards}} equals this {{TCG ID|Expedition|Ponyta|126}}. I also believe the the Pryce's Lapras Information promo equals the one from {{TCG|Pokémon VS}}. I wouldn't normally be reluctant to make the necessary redirects, but the two Information promos before these two were their own seperate cards. Can you look into this? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:Dunsparce and Bellossom's Info Pack promos weren't reprints from as far as I could tell. I'd recommend that, first, you try to prove that those other Info Pack promos are indeed reprints and then, if it is proven that they are reprints, to make the redirects and the Pryce's Lapras article. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::Both of the cards images and attacks are the same as the other counterparts, is that enough proof, or should I try to find more? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Do you have images that you can show me? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:ExpeditionPonyta126.jpg|180px]][[Image:Infopackponyta.jpg|180px]]

:::Do you have the same for Pryce's Lapras? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Infolapras.jpg|180px]][[Image:Prycelaprasvs.jpg|180px]]

:::OK. That's good enough for me. The Ponyta redirect is already created. As for the Pryce's Lapras, that redirect can come to be once the VS version's article is created. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll create it after I am done with the last 5 redirects of the {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}}. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we redirect the Oran Berry in ADV to {{TCG ID|EX Ruby & Sapphire|Oran Berry|85}}? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Double-check first, then redirect. It could (though not necessariy will) have alternate artwork. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

New problem. This {{TCG ID|"ADV-P" Promo|Minun|50}} and this {{TCG ID|EX Hidden Legends|Minun|67}} are almost exactly the same. Everything, the picture, the attacks and energy costs are exactly the same EXCEPT... the first attack (Minus Energy) on the English Card has 10 as the damage while the promotional card doesn't have any damage for that attack. Do you think they should be the same page with the reprint mistake in trivia, or because of that addition, they should be their own articles? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:You have an image of the Japanese promo I could check against? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I only have a picture of the 5 Japanese mcdonalds images. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC) 
<image removed due to site stamp to prevent link breaking>
:I'd go ahead and make the the same page with the reprint difference in trivia. From what I could tell from studying Plusle, it's the English print on Minun that's probably mistaken.

:As for that image, either re-upload it without a site stamp (you can do it with the same name as the original image) or slap a deletion tag on it. We don't want to get Bulbagarden in trouble with the original owner of the image. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::I knew there was a site stamp on it, that was a reason why I didn't necessarily want to put it up. I'll put a deletion tag on it so that it will go onto the evergrowing list on the archives. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you know what DP-P #97 is? 97+ aren't on the page but I can't find 97 anywhere! 98-102 are all Pikachu given away at Pokémon Centers in Japan. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:This I can't help you with. Sorry. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I am confused as hell on the Space Fissure's Deoxys cards! From what I could gather, the three {{TCG|7th Movie Half Deck}} cards are their own seperate cards, but the Space Fissure's Deoxys in the {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}} is one card that changes into the three different movie cards depending on the angle it is looked at. I have no idea how to make the pages! Please help! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:Could you drop an out-of-form translation on the {{bp|sandbox}}? I'd like to see just how the supposed "PCG-P" card works before giving advice on this matter. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if there really is a card that can mimic all three forms, then that card should have its own article. Standalone forms should also get their own, with a trivia piece stating that it's one of the forms that can appear on the card that can mimic all three forms. (Keep in mind that the Speed form didn't exist at the time the half deck or [[Destiny Deoxys]] was made.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Was there ever an illustrator by the name of Sayuri Midori? The translation I have for the P Promo Pichu Bros says that was the artist, but I've never heard of the person and I can't find the scan anywhere. Should I put this name anyway? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Show me an image if you can locate it, and then I'll consider it. In the meantime, could you point me to that translation? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
[http://www.pojo.com/CCQA/Usagi-Chan/cardemain.zip]
:I'd consider this legit. Go ahead. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dragon Trio ==

Please add the "Similar Movesets" section to the [[Dragon Trio]] article.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== 11th Movie Commemoration Set ==

revealed: [http://light.cvgrenier.com/tcg/japanese/VS/11movie.htm] but I don't know which cards are which and such. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Probably makes it official that Palkia has been taken out of the movie~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Not Really, {{TCG|10th Movie Commemoration Set}} only had Darkrai in it. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh yea, well I just hope Palkia's IN the movie, somehow, like even if it's in flashback (unlikely)~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Catchtime Template ==

Could you please add the code in [[Template talk:Catchtime]] to [[Template:Catchtime]]. It would be extremely helpful to the Routes project and the template is protected.
[[User:Admachina|Admachina]] 15:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== DP089 ==

Someone made [[DP089]] and it is horrific, it hasn't even had a title released yet! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:nevermind, youa lready took care of it... ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've also went ahead and protected the links. We've already had a stretch where two articles were created with wrong episode titles. I'd hate to have to deal with a stretch of three such articles not too long afterward! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gym Heroes & Gym Challenge ==

Okay, I'm trying to make sure that the information for {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} and {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} and the Japanese expansions Gym 1 and Gym 2 is correct. I'm having trouble finding a decent source of information on Gym 1 and Gym 2 to verify that everything is correct, and the fact that the cards were shuffled around a little for the English expansions complicates things a little, so here are my questions:
*[[Lt. Surge's Secret Plan (Gym Challenge 107)]] isn't listed as being in Gym 1 or Gym 2, so where did it come from?
*"Spy Tactics" is listed as being in Gym 1, but it isn't listed as being in Gym Heroes or Gym Challenge, so what happened to it? Also, if it wasn't given an English release, shouldn't the Japanese card get its own article?
*In the English expansions, there are three cards called "Blaine's Growlithe", [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Heroes 35)]], [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Heroes 62)]], and [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Challenge 62)]], but in the Japanese expansions there are only two, both in Gym 2, so where did the third "Blaine's Growlithe" come from?
*In the English expansions, there are two cards called "Sabrina's Gengar", [[Sabrina's Gengar (Gym Heroes 14)]] and [[Sabrina's Gengar (Gym Challenge 29)]], but in the Japanese expansions there is only one, in Gym 2, so where did the second "Sabrina's Gengar" come from?
I'm sorry for bothering you with all of these questions, but I can't make sense out of them, but I think you might be able to. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 16:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:*Lt. Surge's Secret Plan and Spy Tactics: I suspect they're are one in the same, translated very differently between Japanese and English.

:*Third Blaine's Growlithe: I suspect it may have been a promotional card added to an English set.

:*Second Sabrina's Gengar: I suspect it may have come from the Japanese theme deck. Note how one of the English cards is non-holographic, and there is a non-holographic Sabrina's Gengar in the Japanese theme deck? The theme deck page says the Gengar is not theme-deck exclusive, but it's entirely possible that there's an inaccuracy on the theme deck page. Adding weight to that possibility is how the only Sabrina's Gengar listed in the Japanese set on the set page is listed as holographic.

:Note that I can't 100% guarantee the veracity of this information. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::{{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Growlithe|35}} came from the March 1999 issue of CoroCoro. Many cards came from CoroCoro as well. Check out the {{TCG|Unnumbered Promotional cards}}; a lot of extras are there. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== User:Just Desserts ==

May I suggest you reblock this person for infinity? After all, this person is only a sockpuppet for another person. And this person poses a major threat to this website~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 04:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Sockpuppet of whom? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::How do you know if it ''is'' a Sockpuppet of Lovely? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::User:Lovely, who is also User:Sightless, who was also User:Silliest Hat, Trust me, I've been here a LONG TIME, I am sure~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll do it. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::It's our old buddy Ph34r. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== Lock down Bulbapedia, PLEASE ==

This is an urgent SOS I'm putting out to admins.

We're getting a huge vandal attack. I was doing fine taking care of it myself, but now it looks like entire articles are being compromised and being turned into unrecoverable self-redirects. I don't think there's anything I can do.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capulet Take a look yourself.

I would recommend locking the place down and fixing everything. Toastypk 06:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:What exactly was {{u|Capulet}} doing anyway? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Mass vandalizing, mainly redoing all of the {{u|Lovely}} and {{u|Sightless}} vandal edits that had been undone. The original vandal said they were fixing a Unicode problem, but I'm pretty certain that was just an excuse to try to avoid being blocked; the Sightless sockpuppet made edits to try to keep pages from being moved back. The Capulet sockpuppet also edited [[Template:CSS3 columns]] the way the {{u|Just Desserts}} sockpuppet did, except with a different message (the Just Desserts edits were erased due to their nature).

From what I could tell, the entire Lovely vandal farm did their deeds as a {{u|Ph34r}} copycat, using many of the same demands the original Ph34r made (allowing anonymous edits and not requiring e-mail confirmation, which would certainly lead to larger-scale vandal attacks). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question about fixing articles ==

I tried to roll back the pages, but it keeps saying that since the one vandal is the only author of the page, it doesn't work. I tried going into the old articles and just copying the text and pasting it into the real article's name, but Zhen told me not to do that on my talk page. What's the trick? I'll do whatever it takes to speed up the repair here. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Don't worry. I'm investigating every move from the most recent vandal. I've even found the content of an article I thought was irrepairable and moved it back where it belongs. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well in the wake of the madness last night, TTEchinda granted me and a few others who were online at the moment, sysop powers so we could fix the damage. I'd just like to help speed everything up while I still can. But according to Zhen I was doing it wrong. What are you doing, just deleting the articles themselves and making them anew? [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, if there are still articles that are running their roots from vandal redirects, then you can try searching for their legitimate content through the search or by rummaging through categories. The search is how I found [[Wattson's Manectric]], which I thought had been irrepairably damaged. Once the legitimate content has been found, it can be moved back to their proper name. Sysops have access to check boxes when trying to move stuff over articles with histories; alternately, the destination can be deleted manually and then moved from there. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Well as far as I can tell now, (at least according to "Capulet"'s edit history), it looks like most, if not all, of the articles are fixed! Thanks to you and Zhen. :D [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 18:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== Just Wondering ==

How could the list be a vandal target if the Userspace is blocked from editing? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm thinking ahead. Once the userspace lockdown does come to a close, a vandal could perhaps see the list and target it for vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

==Night Patrol==
So you guys are looking for someone to volunteer to stay up and keep an eye on Bulbapedia?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:If going with a night owl is our only option, then we'd have to do it. We'd rather try to find someone in an area that can be up normally while other areas sleep. Of course, I doubt Bulbapedia could come up with enough money to piece together an infomerical and buy time on {{wp|KUAM-TV|KUAM}} to try to recruit someone to keep watch...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

::Lol--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 00:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I know some people who live in the Philippines if that's any help--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 06:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

::::I'm Israeli... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 09:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Im british and were 5 hours ahead, so if I start watch at 8 am its 3 at night for you lot. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 22:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:I know--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

==About Giratina and Shaymin's page==
Shouldn't Giratina and Shaymin's have multiple sprite tables similar to the ones that Deoxys has? This is because in Platinum Version, the Giratina Another Forme and Shamin Land Forme sprites are different to those in DP. DO you think you can help with that. Also, I need help giving the Giratina sprite a transparent background.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 18:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes can I add them cause both forms ''will'' be available in Platinum--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Psssssst. ==

&: bad. And: good. Plz no &'s unless it's a title. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question about disambiguation ==

Now that most of the cards in the Japanese promos (i.e. PLAY, DP-P, Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set, etc...) are redirects to the english version, should we still list those promos on the card pages such as {{c|Charmander}}? I think that we should (in order to be complete) but I want to get someone else's opinion first. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say that only those collections with no unique material should be omitted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, so I should only put (excluding movies and non-reprint sets): ADV, PCG, DP, J, T, P, PPP & PLAY, and Unnumbered (and maybe web, I don't know if there are any original cards there yet)... Right? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 22:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Image quality for TR ==

I'm going to start uploading scans for all the remaining sets, starting with TR. What do you think of the image quality for this batch? Are they too blurry, or is it alright? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'd put those up. Someone can always replace it later if they find it unsatisfactory. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, TR is done. You're free to delete those cards from the list, as I don't have access to the User namespace, obviously. Thanks! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just to let you know I plan to upload as many Fossil scans as possible either tomorrow or over the weekend. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 16:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is it OK...? ==

Is it OK if I added the Summer School rentals to Ash, Brock, and Dawn's pages?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Wait until it airs. For all we know, Dawn's rental will be something that the preview didn't show, such as a {{p|Skorupi}} or a {{p|Ditto}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I sorta did it already! And I won't be on much Thursday, so it would be u already. Actually, how about I keep the column, and on Thursday, huever does it could just switch the image and link?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nope, I'd like to protect from all spoilers. Nothing is confirmed. This means no placeholders.

:Since you had the audacity to revert my edits simply because you wanted placeholders, I've protected the articles. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No they weren't. But I'll cut u a deal. For Brock and Ash, when it airs, u revert it, and then substitute for correct if necessary, cuz I should receive credit for adding column in first place. But keep Dawn, it was confirmed!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Grimer was confirmed @ very last scene of preview, when it hugged Dawn. Y ELSE WOOD IT SHOW THAT MUH AFECTION???--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Previews can be decieving. That Grimer could be one someone else rented and that action is not affection. By your reasoning, the [[DP034]] preview confirmed Ash would be the one to have caught {{TP|Ash|Buizel}} in the first place, yet that obviously didn't happen. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

K--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== TCG ==

The right panel of the Pokemon card doesn't say anything about the levels though....it's not shown anywhere unless you write Pokemon (TCG). [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 22:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Take {{TCG ID|Base Set|Pidgey|57}} as an example. Look at the main infobox. You can clearly see the "Lv. 8" there. It's that way on ALL cards that have a level. It's part of the style. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Before I Do Anything... ==

Is there a limit to the number of userpages we can have? I've got my 1 extra one and I'd like to make 1-2 more. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 15:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not the expert on this. Pester TTEchidna if you want to know. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== You want Confirmation? ==

[[Image:GiratinaDPP109.gif]] 
or you could go here for a bigger image: [http://light.cvgrenier.com/tcg/japanese/VS/11/010-giratina_reality-world.jpg]
:Or even here for a list up to 122: [http://www.pokemon-card.com/card/promo_08.html] ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Wanted Pages ==

Would there be any way to get number 413 off. It isn't something that should be on there and since you were the one who made the template, I thought you should be able to fix it since I don't know how. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ask TTEchidna. He can answer the question better than I can. I merely based the non-categorized infobox off the categorizing infobox, exact code except for categories. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== How should I comment about missing or incorrect information on a page? ==

This is in regard to my edit:

Manaphy Half Deck (TCG)‎; 02:20 . . (-117) . . Shiningpikablu252 (Undo revision 427786 by Steeve 13 (Talk) No spam links, please)

I had made a comment at the bottom that included my user name, and I'm guessing that is what sparked your spam links comment... Sorry about that.

:Try leaving a comment on the talk page.

:Additionally, the contents of that page were based on part of the content of the full Trainer Kit, so any inaccuracies in a half deck will reflect in both the half deck's page and the trainer kit's page. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

::Whoops, sorry, I'm the new guy. --[[User:Steeve13|Steeve13]]

== Regarding the Crystal Onix comment ==

That's true, but Gen II was already around long before the official release for Gold and Silver. Marill was even owned by a main character at the time, and if I remember correctly Steelix was one of the many Pokémon revealed before the games release. But never mind, it's really not that important. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 16:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Was Steelix revealed prior to March? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

::The only way to find out is to dig through news archives of old fansites from nearly a decade ago. It's really not ''that'' big a deal. We'll drop it for the sake of doubt. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 16:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

== Taviource ==

Don't you think that was a bit harsh blocking him so suddenly. He didn't get the chance to respond to my warning. I don't know... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:I had to put on the block to stop the flood. For all we know, he was not going to stop the flooding until all Pokémon that can hatch out of an egg were represented.

:Since everything's been cleaned up, I've lifted the block. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you...and sorry for doing that. Anyways, I didn't know I could create customized ones. I should've asked before flooding it. Thanks for cleaning up the mess. Want an egg? [[Image:Ash's Larvitar Egg.png]] Sorry again.

== User Subpages ==

Hi, I've got seven userpages that I don't need anymore (mostly they were to test out code and whatnot): please could you delete them for me?
*[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4]]
**[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4/Moonlit Pursuit]]
**[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4/Dawn Dash]]
*[[User:Double Dash/TCG/Card Template]]
*[[User:Double Dash/Delta Species Page]]
*[[User:Double Dash/TCG/Great Encounters]]
*[[User:Double Dash/Uploaded TCG Cards]]
If you can, thanks very much, it's appreciated. Cheers, [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 16:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:Also, are we actually allowed to start the purge? I am afraid to start deleting all missions even though Zhen Lin said to. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

::Let's take it on an author-request basis for now until we get clearer instructions on what to do. Even then, we should probably take it somewhat slow--too many deletions at once could possibly cause server problems like too many creations at once can. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::This new server can handle more thought cant it. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 18:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened References ==

I see you guys are using my prerelease info again. Could you please provide credit? ~Water Pokemon Master

(I don't use Wikipedia, so I don't know how to add signatures and stuff. :p

:Maybe you should remind {{u|Double Dash}} as well. He's the one who made the articles of the recent preview.

:Come to think of it, why {{TCG|Legends Awakened}} to notice this? Why not {{TCG|Great Encounters}} or {{TCG|Majestic Dawn}}? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

::I'll get that done now, crediting the necessary articles on the LA page. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 19:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== "More credits" ==

In my talk you told me that I was deleting the 'More Credits' code that [[User:Woopert|Woopert]] made. I don't understand what I did wrong or how I did it wrong. Can you give me a little more details on how I did it wrong, because I don't remember even touching it. I am very concerned about this. --[[User: Juan Sanfiel|Juan Sanfiel]] 15:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:[[Template:EpisodeInfobox|The EpisodeInfobox template]] contains several fields. "epcode" is for the episode's code. "screen" denotes whether to display a screenshot or not; if that variable reads yes, "screenshot" is the file for the screenshot. "title_en" is for the dub title, "title_ja" is for the original Japanese title in kanji, and "title_ja_trans" is for the original Japanese title translated to English. "broadcast_jp" denotes the original Japanese broadcast date, while "broadcast_us" denotes the initial United States airdate. I'm not sure exactly how "en_series" works. "en_op" is for the dub opening theme, "ja_op" is for the Japanese opening theme, and "ja_ed" is for the Japanese ending theme (no "en_ed" field is included due to there being [[Go Pokémon Go|only one actual English ending theme]]). "olmteam" denotes the team at [[Oriental Light and Magic]] that was given the task of handling the episode. After that comes fields for the credits: scenario, storyboard, director, art, and miscellaneous. Not every episode has the fields for miscellaneous credits; these are being added as pages such as [[Anime staff by episode (DP051-DP060)]] are created.

:Your edits consisted of mainly editing one of the English-based fields, as well as removing the "morecredits" and "epstaffpage" fields from the infobox. Those latter two fields were inserted by [[User:Woopert|the sysop who came up with the anime staff article system]], and you had no reason to remove them.

:If you claim that you didn't touch them, then you may have not been editing the most recent version of the page. If you're editing an out-of-date revision, this disclaimer will appear:

::'''WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost.'''

:You typically do not want to see that particular disclaimer. Saving changes to an out-of-date revision will ignore all changes since that revision. Only the most up-to-date revision will not show that particular disclaimer. Only update an out-of-date reversion in case of vandalism in consecutive edits.

:One more thing: If someone else makes an edit and hits "Save page" before you can, you'll most likely get an edit conflict. In the case of an edit conflict, try to work your work into the previous poster's edit unless it can be judged that the previous poster's edit shouldn't have been made.

:I hope this discussion was clear. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== "Until it can be proven that "Lv.X" is indeed correct..." ==

Well, you'll be waiting a long time, because the official site confirms all over that LV.X is the correct terminology. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 19:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please help me out here. I don't understand why you regard official terminology - I'm talking about LV.X ''and'' the Castforms here - to be incorrect. If it was incorrect, it wouldn't be on the cards. With the DP Series, Nintendo has changed the way forms are regarded, and for the Castform species, that includes a new way to name each of them. Even if PUSA confirms that Temperamental is useable with previous Castforms, that won't affect the new Castforms' names in any way.
:I am trying my very best here to help, so please don't disregard what I do to help - and that is aimed only, and directly, at your LV.X argument. Lv.X is incorrect, it's as simple as that. I don't make the terminologies, PUSA does. I'm just enforcing the correct terminology. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Help ==
You know how users usually have a custom-made sprite in their character info box on their user page? Well Fabu-Vinny deleted mine and some of the other user's. Look on his talk page and see the talk. Well I have no idea why he deleted them. On the archives, he says that it was not in use, but it was ALWAYS in use:
 
21:10, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Makuhita Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ritchie Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Skitty Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Mudkip Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Magby Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Elekid Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Smoochum Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Teddiursa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Wooper Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Aipom Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Cleffa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Igglybuff Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Spinarak Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Chinchou Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Pichu Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Tracy Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ash Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Morrison Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:58, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Isis's Bibarel.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ledyba Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sentret Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sandshrew Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Vulpix Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Psyduck Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:39, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Janina's Onix.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) --[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 00:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:I believe it may have been cleanup of images that may have been deemed outright unnecessary. Of course, this is coming from someone who has no sysop power on the Archives; you'll have to personally ask Fabu-Vinny about this if you want the true story. Granted, it's not like I'm an impostor on {{wp|To Tell The Truth}} or anything...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::I know, but I'm asking you to help solve the problem, cause you are one the the best admins. I talked to him and I still don't understand.Fabu-Vinny said my custom-made sprites weren't used in the mainspace, but I used it for my user page like EVERYONE else does. I need help please.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 01:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:::The only other explaination I could possibly come up with is that Fabu-Vinny deemed them personal images above your limit and swept them away. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:Kenji-girl told me the same thing. Well, now I have NO personal images. So, am I at least allowed to re-upload two of them?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 01:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Permission to block? ==

I'm really sick of that person. He's leaving too many messages because someone isn't responding to him. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:I've given help on the user's most recent question. If that user keeps up the constant spam even after this, then go ahead and drop a short block. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== User page ==

I want to make my own user page, however, on my computer it always asks if I want to open, save or cancel. I tried this a billion times and if I press OPEN, this blank page pops up and says that there is an error report. If I press SAVE, this other page pops up with files. If I press my user name at the top of the page, it says there is no page. I press start the Juan Sanfiel article, though the same thing happens. Can you help me with this? Please tell me at [[User talk:Juan Sanfiel|my talk page.]] --[[User:Juan Sanfiel|Juan Sanfiel]] 10:45, 4 August, 2008

:Have you tried actually putting the content in the window like you would an ordinary page? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Growlithe (TCG)]] ==

A user created a page at [[Growlithe (TCG)]] which was about the card [[Growlithe (Base Set 28)]]. Which is the more appropriate course of action: delete the page and let someone re-create it later with the appropriate content, or just replace the page with the appropriate content as soon as possible? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 18:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Almost there. ==

You're about to become the second person to best BulbaBot. Do you feel like your life's in danger due to that thing retaliating...? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== New template for bad TCG images ==

I've created a template that could possibly be used to tag TCG card articles with bad images. It can be found [[User:Double Dash/Sandbox|here]] - it automatically inserts the article into a category called "Pokémon cards with poor images" so they can all be accessed. Input would be appreciated, as I'd like to create it and start implementing it. [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 16:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Archives: Card scan categories ==

I replied to your comments regarding the categorization of card scans on the Archives if you haven't yet seen it. If it's alright, I'd like to start today with categorizing Base Set and Neo Genesis, unless you have any issues with my proposal. [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Feel free to go ahead. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==
is there a way to make a sprite/or like re-create one like for example:

theres a normal pikachu sprite and there's a [[Sparky]] sprite.
[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

:You could see a custom-sprite specialist on this issue. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
::who?[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

Taviource and Kenji-Girl--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened ==

Okay...slight problem. I didn't anticipate WPM posting ''all'' the remaining scans today, and as I'm gonna be out for most of the day, I'm not gonna have time to get them all done. If it was twenty, I'd be able to finish them when I got back, but forty is way too many. I know it's not ideal, but can you finish off the remaining LA pages for me? You're quicker at making card articles than I am.

This seriously sucks...I wanted to finish LA off, I was really looking forward to being able to say I'd done that. IFDS better be a smaller set... [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 10:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Prereleases ==

By now, some of the {{TCG|Legends Awakened}} prereleases will be underway, so I think it's safe to remove the "not officially released" notices at the top of all the articles on the set's cards. What do you say? I'm off to a local (somewhat) prerelease myself in a minute, so I won't be able to help much. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:I say we wait until prereleases are underway on the west coast. This should give us enough time to get enough physical copies into the channel.

:Granted, this still won't solve the mystery of the {{TCG|Bombardment}} missing three...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

::Alright, that's fine. If no one else reports in within the next few hours, I should be able to find out what the missing cards are in Bombardment, and I'll tell you about 8 or 9 o'clock tonight. See you later. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
----
I obtained the box for the {{TCG|Bombardment}} theme deck at the prerelease today, and I've corrected the issue regarding the number of cards in the deck. Turns out there were 4x {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Taillow|124}} cards missing from WPM's list, and there was an extra {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Poké Radar|133}} listed. Wanna know something else? I obtained {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Azelf LV.X|140}}, {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Mesprit LV.X|143}}, and {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Rhyperior LV.X|145}} at the prerelease. Cool, huh? However, I failed at getting any {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Kingdra|7}} or {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Froslass|3}}, which were the priority. I'm a little tired, so I'll finish adding the LA info I learned tomorrow. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== ... ==

You just changed everything back to a miscolored sprite. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:I honestly didn't even know it was miscolored...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::I guess it wasn't that much, parts in between the wheel on its back were black instead of white. It made the wheel look completely filled in instead of having open spaces. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

==DP Template==
I didn't use it because I didn't know how... I'm sorry if I made some trouble... [[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 18:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== {{TCG ID|GB|Mew|1}} ==

How are we going to get an image of this card if it was exclusive to the Game Boy's Trading Card Game? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 23:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

:Somebody'll think of something. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Also, are there even Illustrators for cards exclusive to the two games...because I can't find them. What should I put? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Mark them as having unknown illustrators. Exactly how to word it, though, depends on whether cards that do have known illustrators have them listed in either of the Card GB games. If they don't, simply state that the illustrators on the video game-exclusive cards is unknown due to the card being exclusive to the video game. If they do, simply state that the video-game exclusive card doesn't list an illustrator. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Chicken Articles ==

They are AWESOME! Actually, I think putting them in the mainspace would be a great idea. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 03:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Just the same, I'm not making any page moves without a large consensus. The notability of spoofs is not entirely clear, and to be safe, I'm assuming a Robot Chicken sketch would not be considered notable in the main namespace. I'd take lower readership over mass flaming if given a choice. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah... ==

Thanks for helping me with that. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 04:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== No 1 Trainer ==

There are a couple No. 1 Trainer cards, from the Unnumbered Promotional cards that were made into pages, shouldn't they have all been on one page with the other No. 1 Trainer cards? This was also done with No. 2 and No.3. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

:From what I saw, the text differs for each event. I say we leave the separate articles in this case, and make their TCG links into disambiguation pages. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Maybe you could help... ==

I think there should be something added in the Welcoming template about not editing the User space as much.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
:The welcome template is due for an update anyway, now that we've got access to the show/hide tables. I think TTE might have had some ideas as well... --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

== recently uploaded images by {{u|Lemonnlime}} ==

What is that symbol on the bottom left of every card? Is it some sort of site stramp by any chance? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 23:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

:No, it's the Ultra-Pro tag that the company put on their card sleeves (up until Legends Awakened, they did all the Pokémon TCG card sleeves). I've not tagged them as bad images, but scans with sleeve tags aren't ideal. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 23:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

:Given that these cards were scanned in transparent sleeves, I'd wager [[$1|2¢]] that they might be a sleeve marking. In that case, they should all be tagged as unsatisfactory--we can get better images than those! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Can you ==

Can you make articles for the Mewtwo Returns COTDs? We have pix prepared for them--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:There are others with more experience in that field than I am. I myself haven't created very many COTD articles--you'd probably be hard pressed to find such an article that isn't [[Ada (Kanto)]] or [[Shonosuke]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, but can u crop the discolored MQ logo on jetstream and upload it--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:[[a:Image:Master Quest Jetstream.jpg|Here you go]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Is there a way to find out which Pokémon are in need of Platinum-standard learnsets for each generation short of doing it manually? If there isn't, that's a problem. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
:Currently, there is [[User:TTEchidna/PlatinumStandard|this]] that goes up to Ho-Oh. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== I got ==

I got pix for Thunder Fang, now how do I put it on the page neatly?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Latest revision to {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Mamoswine|9}} ==

Simple question: what was the point of that revision? [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'd noticed a bum link in the wanted pages to one of the TCG disambiguation pages, except without the space it's supposed to have. Instead of [[Piloswine (TCG)]], it read "Piloswine(TCG)". The primary purpose of the edit was to link it correctly. Another {{TCG ID|11th Movie Promo|Mamoswine|6}} article was also edited similarly due to a similar issue; it was due to both articles having that issue that it showed up in the wanted pages. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, of course, I missed that bit when I looked through the revision notes. Cheers. Incidentally, where's this list of wanted pages? There might be something I can help with once I'm done in the Archives. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It's in the list of special pages, but if you want to know how to get to the wanted pages directly, it's [[Special:Wantedpages]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Jnames/Jtrans for TCG pages ==

Try not to forget those! I know it's a bit odd that I'm giving ''you'' advice for a change, but I thought it was kind of important. I mean, you're doing a great job and all, but there's just that one little thing. For moves that are in the games, just go to that move's page and copy and paste the jname and jtrans. Thanks! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's entirely possible that an attack which bears the name of a game attack on the English card could have been an entirely different name on the Japanese card. It's also possible that the cards use different styles of kanji than the games. Copy/paste on the game attacks seems too much of a risk when the possibility for error exists. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened Card Images ==

I added fifteen card images to Legends Awakened articles earlier on, don't forget to take 'em off the list. I added three Holon Phantoms images, too. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Block length ==

Why shorten the block length for a vandal? It's clear someone who refers to me as a "faggot mod" is never going to have a change of heart and contribute constructively, so why not simply ban them infinitely? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:I've seen worse vandalism get off easier. {{u|Rolfcopter3}}, for instance, vandalized pages far worse by using a bastardized version of the {{wp|Bagel Bites}} jingle--using "n*gger" in place of "pizza"--in greater frequency, and got 1 year. Many felt that was too lenient.

:As far as I can tell, one vandal page isn't enough to land infinite, unless said vandal is part of a larger farm. From what I could tell, that "f*ggot mods" comment wasn't frequent enough to deserve infinite.

:Scorpion1000 gets one more chance upon the three months. If he doesn't learn, then we can ratchet it up to infinite and keep it that way. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== PokéBeach References ==

Are they still necessary? Legends Awakened and its theme decks are out now, so I'm not sure if we really need to credit PokéBeach for the info any longer. [[User:Cipher|Cipher]] 21:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'd go ahead and take them down. However, if [[Pokébeach]] complains, bend to their will. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Problem ==

TTE said to delete the Category "Category:Pokémon who have level-up learnsets listed" (no link to avoid wanted pages problem) when all 493 are there; but, The category still appears because of it being on[[Template:Movelist]]. I don't understand how to remove it without screwing things up, can you take a swing at it? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:Is it satisfactory now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::The category still appears on all Pokémon pages, but that might be due to the many pages that the site has to change. It is usually slow to remove things on just 30 pages, I'd hate to see how long it takes for 493. It could be fixed in about half an hour, if not...we can think of something else. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::It worked, thank you!! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't solve the problem of 10 stragglers who just wouldn't leave the category no matter what I did. I had no choice but to restore the template to how it was. We'll just have to wait for TTEchidna. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Why not change the Unreleased template at the top to include the category instead of making tons of edits? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:Probably because I'd have to make a different ton of edits to reflect this.

:That's a good idea, though. Preparing to reverse strategy...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

==Unnecessary Categories==
What about <nowiki>[[Category: Pokémon wearing hats]]</nowiki>? [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:For starters, new topics go at the bottom of the page, not the top.

:Secondly, no, a category about Pokémon wearing hats is not a good idea. Simply put, [[Ashachu]] would be the only notable member of such a category, and categories with only one page in them are usually not a good idea. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::But there is Murkrow and Honchkrow and probably more that I forgot. [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 21:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:::If we made a category for Pokémon with one certain feature, we'd have to make categories for Pokémon with other certain features as well. It's best to not have these categories, especially if we ended up having a category on Pokémon that have faces. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Are there pokemon without faces? (Magnemite?)

::::Anyways I don't know what the problem would be with having Category: Horned Pokemon, Category: Pokemon that look like people, Category: Pokemon in hats. It's just specification! I don't understand why that would hurt anything.

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==Unnecessary Categories==
What about <nowiki>[[Category: Pokémon wearing hats]]</nowiki>? [[User:Antarctica|Antarctica]] 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Card images ==

I added images to the following, and I wanted to make sure you took them off the list:
*{{TCG ID|GB 1|Dragonite|Promo}}
*{{TCG ID|Nintendo 64|Hungry Snorlax|promo}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Cool Porygon|15}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Computer Error|16}}
*{{TCG ID|Vending|Mew|S00}}
*{{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Smeargle|32}}
Thanks ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:Done. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::I slipped {{TCG ID|VS|Morty's Misdreavus|26}} in there before the last update and {{TCG ID|Expedition|Weezing|32}} now has an image. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Card Translations ==

Hiya, I want to make an article on the [http://www.pokemon-card.com/card/details.php/card/18003 promotional Heatran card] released in Japan, but I can't find a translation of it anywhere, not even PokéGym. Any idea who'd be able to accurately translate it for me? Cheers much, [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't. I would recommend {{u|Nuva-kal}}, who did {{TCG|Vending Machine cards}} translations for us, but there's no guarantee if and when Nuva-kal will show up again...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::I tried to e-mail Nuva-kal when we needed that second attack on {{TCG ID|VS|Bugsy's Butterfree|8}} translated, but he never responded. I would like him to come back though, because I have scans of some {{TCG|"T" Promotional cards}} and {{TCG|"P" Promotional cards}} that I would like pages for. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Intense Fight name ==

Another issue we have is the Intense Fight name conflict you told me about earlier today - apparently, Sunain discussed the name change with Zhen Lin and Tsskiller - are they even affiliated with the TCG section? Regardless, read the argument [[User talk:Sunain|here]]. I think I'm gonna need your and TTE's help with this, 'cos I can't see where she's coming from, yet she's adamant she's right. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:The kanji can be translated multiple ways. For all we know, what Sunain is defending could be just as correct as what [[Pokébeach]] is using. My take on the translations:

:*"Intense Fight" and "Fierce Fighting" could be taken as synonymous.
:*Likewise for "Destroyed Sky" and "Broken Space".

:Besides, Pokébeach can't be blatantly wrong every time, like they were with "[[Moonlit Pursuit (TCG)|Moon Hunting]]" and "[[Dawn Dash (TCG)|Night Dashing]]".

:Conclusion: Sunain shouldn't be b{{tt|*|i}}tching about a translation that cannot be considered outright wrong, no matter how much the source has f{{tt|*|u}}cked up translations in the past. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::As far as I'm aware, Bangiras translated the IFDS name, so I personally have absolutely no reason to doubt that. The only real issue there's been has been "Night Dashing" <--> "Dawn Dash", which was obviously completely wrong. I think that's what Sunain is basing her argument on, which really is nothing at all.

::Another note in regards to IFDS - I understand that WPM isn't happy with Bulbapedia using the information on its page from PokéBeach without citing it as a resource/reference, so perhaps it'd be an idea to somehow credit the site, such as a link to its IFDS page at the bottom of the article? [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 20:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:::IFDS page and two news stories cited. If that's not enough for WPM, then someone should get a full list of what should and report to me. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Thanks for sorting that out - I appreciate it a lot. As far as the IFDS page and expansions infobox go, it doesn't matter that it's an inconvenience, just as long as there aren't any more silly edit wars. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 21:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Deleting talk pages ==
Don't do it. Also, I have been hearing complaints that you have been too harsh in punishing users; while it is true that we don't have hard-and-fast rules about how to deal with problems, look to the other administrators (on Bulbapedia, not anywhere else) for an idea of what is considered normal here. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Two Things (or maybe considered more) ==

Isn't the Psychic Arbok in Great Encounters normal, that's why I had it describing it at the top. And I have encountered the {{TCG|Lucario Gift Set}}, {{TCG|Mew Gift Set}}, {{TCG|Latias & Latios Gift Set}}, and the {{TCG|Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set}}. which say that they are reprints of some cards; Do you know which ones? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== James ==

You don't know your punctuation, do you?
If you are talking about a belonging of someone and their name ends with an S, you do not put apostrophe S, you just have their name and an apostrophe. Your way is '''''not''''' correct. - [[User:Arbok and Weezing|Arbok and Weezing]] 05:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's been discussed over and over before. "James's" is just as appropriate as "James'", especially if it's singular like is used for James's Pokémon ("James'" could refer to something belonging to more than one James). Besides, the overall style of the encyclopedia calls for it to be "James's"--several templates require the names to be that way. We are NOT about to create a huge exception in those templates just to satisfy those who incorrectly believe "James's" is 100% incorrect. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about his Pokemon, it's James' Cacea.
If you're talking about more than one James, it would be there are 10 James running around. Learn to punctuate. - [[User:Arbok and Weezing|Arbok and Weezing]] 06:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:Please read [[Talk:Main Page#James' not James's!!!!!!|this]] and the {{bp|manual of style}}. I will not have flagrant disregard for style going around Bulbapedia on my watch. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 06:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

==Vandal==
We had an edit war at 1:00 AM (PST) today by {{u|Servercrash}}--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind it's been fixed--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

::Autoblocks don't point to a sockpuppet, and neither do the e-mails. Odds are {{u|Arbok and Weezing}} and {{u|Servercrash}} are unrelated. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 06:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:::So one was a spammer and the other an outraged person who's has bad punctuation--[[User:CoolPikachu!|CoolPikachu!]] 06:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== I Need Something To Do! ==

Hey shiningpikablu252 I have just fixed the awful picture on Purugly's page by replacing it with the offical artwork. Now I've done that could you give me some suggestions on what I can do now to improve bulbapedia? [[User:Agent008]] [[User talk:Agent008]]
:You don't happen to know how to translate Kanji, do you? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 14:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::Nope I can't translate any language.But I can clean up talk pages and tidy articles. Should I try that instead. [[User:Agent008]]

:::By "translate Kanji" do you mean converting it to Romaji? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Can you then put Romaji into english? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::If you can give me an example, I can see what I can do. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::It might be a little small but: [[Image:Samiyamantyke137.jpg]] This is Samiya's Mantyke from {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}}. If you can find out what the attacks mean, we can find out what most should say underneath. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The second attack is {{m|Splash}}. I'll see if I can deduce the first. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:It took me a while, but the first move is {{m|Water Sport}}. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Card question ==

What do we do if a card from {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}} and {{TCG|7th Movie Half Deck}} have the same attacks and stats, but have different artwork, do we put them on the same page? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

:Put it at the Half Deck name. Use an article such as [[Mew (Expedition 19)]] for an example. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== New vandal ==

{{u|Fatferaligatrfan}}

Please block him. He's replacing and redirecting pages with racist comments. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Um. ==

I can't help but wonder why you copied the contents of your userpage to {{u|Livinlarge18}}'s {{ut|Livinlarge18}}. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 02:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:It was an accident. I meant to put in my automated [[User:Shiningpikablu252/Link Templates|link template message]], and it went awry. I've fixed it so that what was intended to go up has gone up. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::OK, just making sure. Sorry to bother you. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 02:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Hi, I don't think we've "met" yet, I used to contribute a lot up until about a year ago, and now I'm back... I posted a small question for {{u|PAK Man}} since he's an admin I've been in touch with back then, but he refered me to you and said you'll be of more help... Anyway, I'm copy-pasting the whole thing here:

''hi PAK, what's up? Remember me? I wasn't around much this year but now I'm back, and glad to be back... I see a lot's changed here so I'm easing into things... One tiny thing I wanted to ask you as an admin was about "in other languages" sections on articles. I remember a little over a year ago I had an argument with another user (I think it was Maxim) about whether or not we should keep translitations of character names and such in articles. One of the admins (Pie, I think) sided with me eventually, so we kept them. In the meantime, all these names were removed. That part I can understand... But what bothers me a little is that even on pages for Types, many foreign names were removed. I traced back the changes to this user: {{u|Siegfried}}. From what I got from the talk pages, the reason he\she stated was that the games aren't translated to those languages. Thing is, the anime ''is'' translated, and in this particular case of Types, it's not even translitations - it's an actual translation, a different word in a different language. Maybe we should reach a decision on the subject once and for all? Thoughts? (Sorry it was so long, lol :))''

Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 16:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Pic positions ==

Mermaid Misty (List of anime clothing article) and Pokémon Live need their pictures sized and positioned--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, about the Arbok edit war... ==

I'm afraid you're a little late in taking action. We already worked out an agreement, and I simply forgot to un-revert that one. All the information is in the [[Pokémon League entrance exam instructor]] article. So, um, could you please redirect that Arbok page to [[Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Arbok]]? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Public Sandbox ==

Hey pal just to let you know that I'm not treating the public sandbox as my own and that if I overwrite something;then feel free to revert it cause I'm too lazy to do it myself. [[User:Agent008]]

== New User Form Letter ==
Yea you sent me a new user form letter, and I have a comment on one of the things said...
:The word Poké Ball is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a capital B. The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
I always figured it was called a "poké ball" because the "poké" part stands for "pocket" in "pocket monsters" making them "pocket balls" which is why they are able to shrink so small to put on someone's belt or in a "pocket size" [[User:Felinoel|Felinoel]] 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hello? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::You never asked a question, you just had a comment. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I guess thats correct, my apologies then [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Some Japanese card concerns ==

I have aquired some disturbing information in my research on Japanese promotions! After comparing pictures and attacks, I think that this {{TCG ID|Information Pack|Ponyta|promo}} card from the {{TCG|Unnumbered Promotional cards}} equals this {{TCG ID|Expedition|Ponyta|126}}. I also believe the the Pryce's Lapras Information promo equals the one from {{TCG|Pokémon VS}}. I wouldn't normally be reluctant to make the necessary redirects, but the two Information promos before these two were their own seperate cards. Can you look into this? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:Dunsparce and Bellossom's Info Pack promos weren't reprints from as far as I could tell. I'd recommend that, first, you try to prove that those other Info Pack promos are indeed reprints and then, if it is proven that they are reprints, to make the redirects and the Pryce's Lapras article. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::Both of the cards images and attacks are the same as the other counterparts, is that enough proof, or should I try to find more? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Do you have images that you can show me? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:ExpeditionPonyta126.jpg|180px]][[Image:Infopackponyta.jpg|180px]]

:::Do you have the same for Pryce's Lapras? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Infolapras.jpg|180px]][[Image:Prycelaprasvs.jpg|180px]]

:::OK. That's good enough for me. The Ponyta redirect is already created. As for the Pryce's Lapras, that redirect can come to be once the VS version's article is created. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll create it after I am done with the last 5 redirects of the {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}}. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we redirect the Oran Berry in ADV to {{TCG ID|EX Ruby & Sapphire|Oran Berry|85}}? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Double-check first, then redirect. It could (though not necessariy will) have alternate artwork. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

New problem. This {{TCG ID|"ADV-P" Promo|Minun|50}} and this {{TCG ID|EX Hidden Legends|Minun|67}} are almost exactly the same. Everything, the picture, the attacks and energy costs are exactly the same EXCEPT... the first attack (Minus Energy) on the English Card has 10 as the damage while the promotional card doesn't have any damage for that attack. Do you think they should be the same page with the reprint mistake in trivia, or because of that addition, they should be their own articles? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:You have an image of the Japanese promo I could check against? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I only have a picture of the 5 Japanese mcdonalds images. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC) 
<image removed due to site stamp to prevent link breaking>
:I'd go ahead and make the the same page with the reprint difference in trivia. From what I could tell from studying Plusle, it's the English print on Minun that's probably mistaken.

:As for that image, either re-upload it without a site stamp (you can do it with the same name as the original image) or slap a deletion tag on it. We don't want to get Bulbagarden in trouble with the original owner of the image. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::I knew there was a site stamp on it, that was a reason why I didn't necessarily want to put it up. I'll put a deletion tag on it so that it will go onto the evergrowing list on the archives. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you know what DP-P #97 is? 97+ aren't on the page but I can't find 97 anywhere! 98-102 are all Pikachu given away at Pokémon Centers in Japan. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:This I can't help you with. Sorry. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I am confused as hell on the Space Fissure's Deoxys cards! From what I could gather, the three {{TCG|7th Movie Half Deck}} cards are their own seperate cards, but the Space Fissure's Deoxys in the {{TCG|"PCG-P" Promotional cards}} is one card that changes into the three different movie cards depending on the angle it is looked at. I have no idea how to make the pages! Please help! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:Could you drop an out-of-form translation on the {{bp|sandbox}}? I'd like to see just how the supposed "PCG-P" card works before giving advice on this matter. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if there really is a card that can mimic all three forms, then that card should have its own article. Standalone forms should also get their own, with a trivia piece stating that it's one of the forms that can appear on the card that can mimic all three forms. (Keep in mind that the Speed form didn't exist at the time the half deck or [[Destiny Deoxys]] was made.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Was there ever an illustrator by the name of Sayuri Midori? The translation I have for the P Promo Pichu Bros says that was the artist, but I've never heard of the person and I can't find the scan anywhere. Should I put this name anyway? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Show me an image if you can locate it, and then I'll consider it. In the meantime, could you point me to that translation? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
[http://www.pojo.com/CCQA/Usagi-Chan/cardemain.zip]
:I'd consider this legit. Go ahead. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dragon Trio ==

Please add the "Similar Movesets" section to the [[Dragon Trio]] article.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== 11th Movie Commemoration Set ==

revealed: [http://light.cvgrenier.com/tcg/japanese/VS/11movie.htm] but I don't know which cards are which and such. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Probably makes it official that Palkia has been taken out of the movie~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Not Really, {{TCG|10th Movie Commemoration Set}} only had Darkrai in it. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh yea, well I just hope Palkia's IN the movie, somehow, like even if it's in flashback (unlikely)~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Catchtime Template ==

Could you please add the code in [[Template talk:Catchtime]] to [[Template:Catchtime]]. It would be extremely helpful to the Routes project and the template is protected.
[[User:Admachina|Admachina]] 15:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== DP089 ==

Someone made [[DP089]] and it is horrific, it hasn't even had a title released yet! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:nevermind, youa lready took care of it... ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've also went ahead and protected the links. We've already had a stretch where two articles were created with wrong episode titles. I'd hate to have to deal with a stretch of three such articles not too long afterward! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gym Heroes & Gym Challenge ==

Okay, I'm trying to make sure that the information for {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} and {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} and the Japanese expansions Gym 1 and Gym 2 is correct. I'm having trouble finding a decent source of information on Gym 1 and Gym 2 to verify that everything is correct, and the fact that the cards were shuffled around a little for the English expansions complicates things a little, so here are my questions:
*[[Lt. Surge's Secret Plan (Gym Challenge 107)]] isn't listed as being in Gym 1 or Gym 2, so where did it come from?
*"Spy Tactics" is listed as being in Gym 1, but it isn't listed as being in Gym Heroes or Gym Challenge, so what happened to it? Also, if it wasn't given an English release, shouldn't the Japanese card get its own article?
*In the English expansions, there are three cards called "Blaine's Growlithe", [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Heroes 35)]], [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Heroes 62)]], and [[Blaine's Growlithe (Gym Challenge 62)]], but in the Japanese expansions there are only two, both in Gym 2, so where did the third "Blaine's Growlithe" come from?
*In the English expansions, there are two cards called "Sabrina's Gengar", [[Sabrina's Gengar (Gym Heroes 14)]] and [[Sabrina's Gengar (Gym Challenge 29)]], but in the Japanese expansions there is only one, in Gym 2, so where did the second "Sabrina's Gengar" come from?
I'm sorry for bothering you with all of these questions, but I can't make sense out of them, but I think you might be able to. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 16:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:*Lt. Surge's Secret Plan and Spy Tactics: I suspect they're are one in the same, translated very differently between Japanese and English.

:*Third Blaine's Growlithe: I suspect it may have been a promotional card added to an English set.

:*Second Sabrina's Gengar: I suspect it may have come from the Japanese theme deck. Note how one of the English cards is non-holographic, and there is a non-holographic Sabrina's Gengar in the Japanese theme deck? The theme deck page says the Gengar is not theme-deck exclusive, but it's entirely possible that there's an inaccuracy on the theme deck page. Adding weight to that possibility is how the only Sabrina's Gengar listed in the Japanese set on the set page is listed as holographic.

:Note that I can't 100% guarantee the veracity of this information. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::{{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Growlithe|35}} came from the March 1999 issue of CoroCoro. Many cards came from CoroCoro as well. Check out the {{TCG|Unnumbered Promotional cards}}; a lot of extras are there. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== User:Just Desserts ==

May I suggest you reblock this person for infinity? After all, this person is only a sockpuppet for another person. And this person poses a major threat to this website~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 04:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Sockpuppet of whom? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::How do you know if it ''is'' a Sockpuppet of Lovely? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::User:Lovely, who is also User:Sightless, who was also User:Silliest Hat, Trust me, I've been here a LONG TIME, I am sure~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll do it. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 04:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::It's our old buddy Ph34r. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== Lock down Bulbapedia, PLEASE ==

This is an urgent SOS I'm putting out to admins.

We're getting a huge vandal attack. I was doing fine taking care of it myself, but now it looks like entire articles are being compromised and being turned into unrecoverable self-redirects. I don't think there's anything I can do.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capulet Take a look yourself.

I would recommend locking the place down and fixing everything. Toastypk 06:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:What exactly was {{u|Capulet}} doing anyway? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Mass vandalizing, mainly redoing all of the {{u|Lovely}} and {{u|Sightless}} vandal edits that had been undone. The original vandal said they were fixing a Unicode problem, but I'm pretty certain that was just an excuse to try to avoid being blocked; the Sightless sockpuppet made edits to try to keep pages from being moved back. The Capulet sockpuppet also edited [[Template:CSS3 columns]] the way the {{u|Just Desserts}} sockpuppet did, except with a different message (the Just Desserts edits were erased due to their nature).

From what I could tell, the entire Lovely vandal farm did their deeds as a {{u|Ph34r}} copycat, using many of the same demands the original Ph34r made (allowing anonymous edits and not requiring e-mail confirmation, which would certainly lead to larger-scale vandal attacks). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question about fixing articles ==

I tried to roll back the pages, but it keeps saying that since the one vandal is the only author of the page, it doesn't work. I tried going into the old articles and just copying the text and pasting it into the real article's name, but Zhen told me not to do that on my talk page. What's the trick? I'll do whatever it takes to speed up the repair here. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Don't worry. I'm investigating every move from the most recent vandal. I've even found the content of an article I thought was irrepairable and moved it back where it belongs. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::Well in the wake of the madness last night, TTEchinda granted me and a few others who were online at the moment, sysop powers so we could fix the damage. I'd just like to help speed everything up while I still can. But according to Zhen I was doing it wrong. What are you doing, just deleting the articles themselves and making them anew? [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, if there are still articles that are running their roots from vandal redirects, then you can try searching for their legitimate content through the search or by rummaging through categories. The search is how I found [[Wattson's Manectric]], which I thought had been irrepairably damaged. Once the legitimate content has been found, it can be moved back to their proper name. Sysops have access to check boxes when trying to move stuff over articles with histories; alternately, the destination can be deleted manually and then moved from there. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Well as far as I can tell now, (at least according to "Capulet"'s edit history), it looks like most, if not all, of the articles are fixed! Thanks to you and Zhen. :D [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 18:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== Just Wondering ==

How could the list be a vandal target if the Userspace is blocked from editing? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 02:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm thinking ahead. Once the userspace lockdown does come to a close, a vandal could perhaps see the list and target it for vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

==Night Patrol==
So you guys are looking for someone to volunteer to stay up and keep an eye on Bulbapedia?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

:If going with a night owl is our only option, then we'd have to do it. We'd rather try to find someone in an area that can be up normally while other areas sleep. Of course, I doubt Bulbapedia could come up with enough money to piece together an infomerical and buy time on {{wp|KUAM-TV|KUAM}} to try to recruit someone to keep watch...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

::Lol--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 00:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I know some people who live in the Philippines if that's any help--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 06:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

::::I'm Israeli... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 09:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Im british and were 5 hours ahead, so if I start watch at 8 am its 3 at night for you lot. [[User:Sailor Earth|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth| of]][[User talk:Sailor Earth| Earth]] 22:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:I know--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

==About Giratina and Shaymin's page==
Shouldn't Giratina and Shaymin's have multiple sprite tables similar to the ones that Deoxys has? This is because in Platinum Version, the Giratina Another Forme and Shamin Land Forme sprites are different to those in DP. DO you think you can help with that. Also, I need help giving the Giratina sprite a transparent background.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 18:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes can I add them cause both forms ''will'' be available in Platinum--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Psssssst. ==

&: bad. And: good. Plz no &'s unless it's a title. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question about disambiguation ==

Now that most of the cards in the Japanese promos (i.e. PLAY, DP-P, Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set, etc...) are redirects to the english version, should we still list those promos on the card pages such as {{c|Charmander}}? I think that we should (in order to be complete) but I want to get someone else's opinion first. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 20:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say that only those collections with no unique material should be omitted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, so I should only put (excluding movies and non-reprint sets): ADV, PCG, DP, J, T, P, PPP & PLAY, and Unnumbered (and maybe web, I don't know if there are any original cards there yet)... Right? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 22:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Image quality for TR ==

I'm going to start uploading scans for all the remaining sets, starting with TR. What do you think of the image quality for this batch? Are they too blurry, or is it alright? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'd put those up. Someone can always replace it later if they find it unsatisfactory. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, TR is done. You're free to delete those cards from the list, as I don't have access to the User namespace, obviously. Thanks! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just to let you know I plan to upload as many Fossil scans as possible either tomorrow or over the weekend. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 16:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is it OK...? ==

Is it OK if I added the Summer School rentals to Ash, Brock, and Dawn's pages?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Wait until it airs. For all we know, Dawn's rental will be something that the preview didn't show, such as a {{p|Skorupi}} or a {{p|Ditto}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I sorta did it already! And I won't be on much Thursday, so it would be u already. Actually, how about I keep the column, and on Thursday, huever does it could just switch the image and link?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nope, I'd like to protect from all spoilers. Nothing is confirmed. This means no placeholders.

:Since you had the audacity to revert my edits simply because you wanted placeholders, I've protected the articles. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No they weren't. But I'll cut u a deal. For Brock and Ash, when it airs, u revert it, and then substitute for correct if necessary, cuz I should receive credit for adding column in first place. But keep Dawn, it was confirmed!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Grimer was confirmed @ very last scene of preview, when it hugged Dawn. Y ELSE WOOD IT SHOW THAT MUH AFECTION???--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Previews can be decieving. That Grimer could be one someone else rented and that action is not affection. By your reasoning, the [[DP034]] preview confirmed Ash would be the one to have caught {{TP|Ash|Buizel}} in the first place, yet that obviously didn't happen. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

K--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== TCG ==

The right panel of the Pokemon card doesn't say anything about the levels though....it's not shown anywhere unless you write Pokemon (TCG). [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 22:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Take {{TCG ID|Base Set|Pidgey|57}} as an example. Look at the main infobox. You can clearly see the "Lv. 8" there. It's that way on ALL cards that have a level. It's part of the style. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Before I Do Anything... ==

Is there a limit to the number of userpages we can have? I've got my 1 extra one and I'd like to make 1-2 more. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 15:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not the expert on this. Pester TTEchidna if you want to know. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== You want Confirmation? ==

[[Image:GiratinaDPP109.gif]] 
or you could go here for a bigger image: [http://light.cvgrenier.com/tcg/japanese/VS/11/010-giratina_reality-world.jpg]
:Or even here for a list up to 122: [http://www.pokemon-card.com/card/promo_08.html] ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Wanted Pages ==

Would there be any way to get number 413 off. It isn't something that should be on there and since you were the one who made the template, I thought you should be able to fix it since I don't know how. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ask TTEchidna. He can answer the question better than I can. I merely based the non-categorized infobox off the categorizing infobox, exact code except for categories. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== How should I comment about missing or incorrect information on a page? ==

This is in regard to my edit:

Manaphy Half Deck (TCG)‎; 02:20 . . (-117) . . Shiningpikablu252 (Undo revision 427786 by Steeve 13 (Talk) No spam links, please)

I had made a comment at the bottom that included my user name, and I'm guessing that is what sparked your spam links comment... Sorry about that.

:Try leaving a comment on the talk page.

:Additionally, the contents of that page were based on part of the content of the full Trainer Kit, so any inaccuracies in a half deck will reflect in both the half deck's page and the trainer kit's page. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

::Whoops, sorry, I'm the new guy. --[[User:Steeve13|Steeve13]]

== Regarding the Crystal Onix comment ==

That's true, but Gen II was already around long before the official release for Gold and Silver. Marill was even owned by a main character at the time, and if I remember correctly Steelix was one of the many Pokémon revealed before the games release. But never mind, it's really not that important. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 16:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Was Steelix revealed prior to March? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

::The only way to find out is to dig through news archives of old fansites from nearly a decade ago. It's really not ''that'' big a deal. We'll drop it for the sake of doubt. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 16:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

== Taviource ==

Don't you think that was a bit harsh blocking him so suddenly. He didn't get the chance to respond to my warning. I don't know... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:I had to put on the block to stop the flood. For all we know, he was not going to stop the flooding until all Pokémon that can hatch out of an egg were represented.

:Since everything's been cleaned up, I've lifted the block. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you...and sorry for doing that. Anyways, I didn't know I could create customized ones. I should've asked before flooding it. Thanks for cleaning up the mess. Want an egg? [[Image:Ash's Larvitar Egg.png]] Sorry again.

== User Subpages ==

Hi, I've got seven userpages that I don't need anymore (mostly they were to test out code and whatnot): please could you delete them for me?
*[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4]]
**[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4/Moonlit Pursuit]]
**[[User:Double Dash/Pokémon Card Game DP4/Dawn Dash]]
*[[User:Double Dash/TCG/Card Template]]
*[[User:Double Dash/Delta Species Page]]
*[[User:Double Dash/TCG/Great Encounters]]
*[[User:Double Dash/Uploaded TCG Cards]]
If you can, thanks very much, it's appreciated. Cheers, [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 16:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:Also, are we actually allowed to start the purge? I am afraid to start deleting all missions even though Zhen Lin said to. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

::Let's take it on an author-request basis for now until we get clearer instructions on what to do. Even then, we should probably take it somewhat slow--too many deletions at once could possibly cause server problems like too many creations at once can. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::This new server can handle more thought cant it. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 18:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened References ==

I see you guys are using my prerelease info again. Could you please provide credit? ~Water Pokemon Master

(I don't use Wikipedia, so I don't know how to add signatures and stuff. :p

:Maybe you should remind {{u|Double Dash}} as well. He's the one who made the articles of the recent preview.

:Come to think of it, why {{TCG|Legends Awakened}} to notice this? Why not {{TCG|Great Encounters}} or {{TCG|Majestic Dawn}}? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

::I'll get that done now, crediting the necessary articles on the LA page. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 19:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== "More credits" ==

In my talk you told me that I was deleting the 'More Credits' code that [[User:Woopert|Woopert]] made. I don't understand what I did wrong or how I did it wrong. Can you give me a little more details on how I did it wrong, because I don't remember even touching it. I am very concerned about this. --[[User: Juan Sanfiel|Juan Sanfiel]] 15:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:[[Template:EpisodeInfobox|The EpisodeInfobox template]] contains several fields. "epcode" is for the episode's code. "screen" denotes whether to display a screenshot or not; if that variable reads yes, "screenshot" is the file for the screenshot. "title_en" is for the dub title, "title_ja" is for the original Japanese title in kanji, and "title_ja_trans" is for the original Japanese title translated to English. "broadcast_jp" denotes the original Japanese broadcast date, while "broadcast_us" denotes the initial United States airdate. I'm not sure exactly how "en_series" works. "en_op" is for the dub opening theme, "ja_op" is for the Japanese opening theme, and "ja_ed" is for the Japanese ending theme (no "en_ed" field is included due to there being [[Go Pokémon Go|only one actual English ending theme]]). "olmteam" denotes the team at [[Oriental Light and Magic]] that was given the task of handling the episode. After that comes fields for the credits: scenario, storyboard, director, art, and miscellaneous. Not every episode has the fields for miscellaneous credits; these are being added as pages such as [[Anime staff by episode (DP051-DP060)]] are created.

:Your edits consisted of mainly editing one of the English-based fields, as well as removing the "morecredits" and "epstaffpage" fields from the infobox. Those latter two fields were inserted by [[User:Woopert|the sysop who came up with the anime staff article system]], and you had no reason to remove them.

:If you claim that you didn't touch them, then you may have not been editing the most recent version of the page. If you're editing an out-of-date revision, this disclaimer will appear:

::'''WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost.'''

:You typically do not want to see that particular disclaimer. Saving changes to an out-of-date revision will ignore all changes since that revision. Only the most up-to-date revision will not show that particular disclaimer. Only update an out-of-date reversion in case of vandalism in consecutive edits.

:One more thing: If someone else makes an edit and hits "Save page" before you can, you'll most likely get an edit conflict. In the case of an edit conflict, try to work your work into the previous poster's edit unless it can be judged that the previous poster's edit shouldn't have been made.

:I hope this discussion was clear. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== "Until it can be proven that "Lv.X" is indeed correct..." ==

Well, you'll be waiting a long time, because the official site confirms all over that LV.X is the correct terminology. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 19:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please help me out here. I don't understand why you regard official terminology - I'm talking about LV.X ''and'' the Castforms here - to be incorrect. If it was incorrect, it wouldn't be on the cards. With the DP Series, Nintendo has changed the way forms are regarded, and for the Castform species, that includes a new way to name each of them. Even if PUSA confirms that Temperamental is useable with previous Castforms, that won't affect the new Castforms' names in any way.
:I am trying my very best here to help, so please don't disregard what I do to help - and that is aimed only, and directly, at your LV.X argument. Lv.X is incorrect, it's as simple as that. I don't make the terminologies, PUSA does. I'm just enforcing the correct terminology. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 18:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Help ==
You know how users usually have a custom-made sprite in their character info box on their user page? Well Fabu-Vinny deleted mine and some of the other user's. Look on his talk page and see the talk. Well I have no idea why he deleted them. On the archives, he says that it was not in use, but it was ALWAYS in use:
 
21:10, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Makuhita Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ritchie Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Skitty Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Mudkip Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Magby Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Elekid Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Smoochum Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Teddiursa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Wooper Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Aipom Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Cleffa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Igglybuff Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Spinarak Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Chinchou Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Pichu Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Tracy Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ash Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Morrison Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:58, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Isis's Bibarel.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ledyba Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sentret Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sandshrew Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Vulpix Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Psyduck Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:39, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Janina's Onix.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) --[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 00:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:I believe it may have been cleanup of images that may have been deemed outright unnecessary. Of course, this is coming from someone who has no sysop power on the Archives; you'll have to personally ask Fabu-Vinny about this if you want the true story. Granted, it's not like I'm an impostor on {{wp|To Tell The Truth}} or anything...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::I know, but I'm asking you to help solve the problem, cause you are one the the best admins. I talked to him and I still don't understand.Fabu-Vinny said my custom-made sprites weren't used in the mainspace, but I used it for my user page like EVERYONE else does. I need help please.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 01:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:::The only other explaination I could possibly come up with is that Fabu-Vinny deemed them personal images above your limit and swept them away. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:Kenji-girl told me the same thing. Well, now I have NO personal images. So, am I at least allowed to re-upload two of them?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 01:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Permission to block? ==

I'm really sick of that person. He's leaving too many messages because someone isn't responding to him. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:I've given help on the user's most recent question. If that user keeps up the constant spam even after this, then go ahead and drop a short block. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== User page ==

I want to make my own user page, however, on my computer it always asks if I want to open, save or cancel. I tried this a billion times and if I press OPEN, this blank page pops up and says that there is an error report. If I press SAVE, this other page pops up with files. If I press my user name at the top of the page, it says there is no page. I press start the Juan Sanfiel article, though the same thing happens. Can you help me with this? Please tell me at [[User talk:Juan Sanfiel|my talk page.]] --[[User:Juan Sanfiel|Juan Sanfiel]] 10:45, 4 August, 2008

:Have you tried actually putting the content in the window like you would an ordinary page? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Growlithe (TCG)]] ==

A user created a page at [[Growlithe (TCG)]] which was about the card [[Growlithe (Base Set 28)]]. Which is the more appropriate course of action: delete the page and let someone re-create it later with the appropriate content, or just replace the page with the appropriate content as soon as possible? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 18:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Almost there. ==

You're about to become the second person to best BulbaBot. Do you feel like your life's in danger due to that thing retaliating...? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== New template for bad TCG images ==

I've created a template that could possibly be used to tag TCG card articles with bad images. It can be found [[User:Double Dash/Sandbox|here]] - it automatically inserts the article into a category called "Pokémon cards with poor images" so they can all be accessed. Input would be appreciated, as I'd like to create it and start implementing it. [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 16:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Archives: Card scan categories ==

I replied to your comments regarding the categorization of card scans on the Archives if you haven't yet seen it. If it's alright, I'd like to start today with categorizing Base Set and Neo Genesis, unless you have any issues with my proposal. [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Feel free to go ahead. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==
is there a way to make a sprite/or like re-create one like for example:

theres a normal pikachu sprite and there's a [[Sparky]] sprite.
[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

:You could see a custom-sprite specialist on this issue. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
::who?[[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]

Taviource and Kenji-Girl--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened ==

Okay...slight problem. I didn't anticipate WPM posting ''all'' the remaining scans today, and as I'm gonna be out for most of the day, I'm not gonna have time to get them all done. If it was twenty, I'd be able to finish them when I got back, but forty is way too many. I know it's not ideal, but can you finish off the remaining LA pages for me? You're quicker at making card articles than I am.

This seriously sucks...I wanted to finish LA off, I was really looking forward to being able to say I'd done that. IFDS better be a smaller set... [[User:Double Dash|Double Dash]] 10:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Prereleases ==

By now, some of the {{TCG|Legends Awakened}} prereleases will be underway, so I think it's safe to remove the "not officially released" notices at the top of all the articles on the set's cards. What do you say? I'm off to a local (somewhat) prerelease myself in a minute, so I won't be able to help much. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:I say we wait until prereleases are underway on the west coast. This should give us enough time to get enough physical copies into the channel.

:Granted, this still won't solve the mystery of the {{TCG|Bombardment}} missing three...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

::Alright, that's fine. If no one else reports in within the next few hours, I should be able to find out what the missing cards are in Bombardment, and I'll tell you about 8 or 9 o'clock tonight. See you later. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
----
I obtained the box for the {{TCG|Bombardment}} theme deck at the prerelease today, and I've corrected the issue regarding the number of cards in the deck. Turns out there were 4x {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Taillow|124}} cards missing from WPM's list, and there was an extra {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Poké Radar|133}} listed. Wanna know something else? I obtained {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Azelf LV.X|140}}, {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Mesprit LV.X|143}}, and {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Rhyperior LV.X|145}} at the prerelease. Cool, huh? However, I failed at getting any {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Kingdra|7}} or {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Froslass|3}}, which were the priority. I'm a little tired, so I'll finish adding the LA info I learned tomorrow. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== ... ==

You just changed everything back to a miscolored sprite. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:I honestly didn't even know it was miscolored...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::I guess it wasn't that much, parts in between the wheel on its back were black instead of white. It made the wheel look completely filled in instead of having open spaces. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

==DP Template==
I didn't use it because I didn't know how... I'm sorry if I made some trouble... [[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 18:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== {{TCG ID|GB|Mew|1}} ==

How are we going to get an image of this card if it was exclusive to the Game Boy's Trading Card Game? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 23:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

:Somebody'll think of something. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Also, are there even Illustrators for cards exclusive to the two games...because I can't find them. What should I put? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Mark them as having unknown illustrators. Exactly how to word it, though, depends on whether cards that do have known illustrators have them listed in either of the Card GB games. If they don't, simply state that the illustrators on the video game-exclusive cards is unknown due to the card being exclusive to the video game. If they do, simply state that the video-game exclusive card doesn't list an illustrator. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Chicken Articles ==

They are AWESOME! Actually, I think putting them in the mainspace would be a great idea. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''n-Z''']] 03:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Just the same, I'm not making any page moves without a large consensus. The notability of spoofs is not entirely clear, and to be safe, I'm assuming a Robot Chicken sketch would not be considered notable in the main namespace. I'd take lower readership over mass flaming if given a choice. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah... ==

Thanks for helping me with that. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 04:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== No 1 Trainer ==

There are a couple No. 1 Trainer cards, from the Unnumbered Promotional cards that were made into pages, shouldn't they have all been on one page with the other No. 1 Trainer cards? This was also done with No. 2 and No.3. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

:From what I saw, the text differs for each event. I say we leave the separate articles in this case, and make their TCG links into disambiguation pages. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Maybe you could help... ==

I think there should be something added in the Welcoming template about not editing the User space as much.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
:The welcome template is due for an update anyway, now that we've got access to the show/hide tables. I think TTE might have had some ideas as well... --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

== recently uploaded images by {{u|Lemonnlime}} ==

What is that symbol on the bottom left of every card? Is it some sort of site stramp by any chance? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 23:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

:No, it's the Ultra-Pro tag that the company put on their card sleeves (up until Legends Awakened, they did all the Pokémon TCG card sleeves). I've not tagged them as bad images, but scans with sleeve tags aren't ideal. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 23:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

:Given that these cards were scanned in transparent sleeves, I'd wager [[$1|2¢]] that they might be a sleeve marking. In that case, they should all be tagged as unsatisfactory--we can get better images than those! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Can you ==

Can you make articles for the Mewtwo Returns COTDs? We have pix prepared for them--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:There are others with more experience in that field than I am. I myself haven't created very many COTD articles--you'd probably be hard pressed to find such an article that isn't [[Ada (Kanto)]] or [[Shonosuke]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, but can u crop the discolored MQ logo on jetstream and upload it--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:[[a:Image:Master Quest Jetstream.jpg|Here you go]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== Learnsets ==

Is there a way to find out which Pokémon are in need of Platinum-standard learnsets for each generation short of doing it manually? If there isn't, that's a problem. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
:Currently, there is [[User:TTEchidna/PlatinumStandard|this]] that goes up to Ho-Oh. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== I got ==

I got pix for Thunder Fang, now how do I put it on the page neatly?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Latest revision to {{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Mamoswine|9}} ==

Simple question: what was the point of that revision? [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'd noticed a bum link in the wanted pages to one of the TCG disambiguation pages, except without the space it's supposed to have. Instead of [[Piloswine (TCG)]], it read "Piloswine(TCG)". The primary purpose of the edit was to link it correctly. Another {{TCG ID|11th Movie Promo|Mamoswine|6}} article was also edited similarly due to a similar issue; it was due to both articles having that issue that it showed up in the wanted pages. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, of course, I missed that bit when I looked through the revision notes. Cheers. Incidentally, where's this list of wanted pages? There might be something I can help with once I'm done in the Archives. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It's in the list of special pages, but if you want to know how to get to the wanted pages directly, it's [[Special:Wantedpages]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Jnames/Jtrans for TCG pages ==

Try not to forget those! I know it's a bit odd that I'm giving ''you'' advice for a change, but I thought it was kind of important. I mean, you're doing a great job and all, but there's just that one little thing. For moves that are in the games, just go to that move's page and copy and paste the jname and jtrans. Thanks! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's entirely possible that an attack which bears the name of a game attack on the English card could have been an entirely different name on the Japanese card. It's also possible that the cards use different styles of kanji than the games. Copy/paste on the game attacks seems too much of a risk when the possibility for error exists. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Legends Awakened Card Images ==

I added fifteen card images to Legends Awakened articles earlier on, don't forget to take 'em off the list. I added three Holon Phantoms images, too. [[User:Cipher|Double Dash]] 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Block length ==

Why shorten the block length for a vandal? It's clear someone who refers to me as a "faggot mod" is never going to have a change of heart and contribute constructively, so why not simply ban them infinitely? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

:I've seen worse vandalism get off easier. {{u|Rolfcopter3}}, for instance, vandalized pages far worse by using a bastardized version of the {{wp|Bagel Bites}} jingle--using "n*gger" in place of "pizza"--in greater frequency, and got 1 year. Many felt that was too lenient.

:As far as I can tell, one vandal page isn't enough to land infinite, unless said vandal is part of a larger farm. From what I could tell, that "f*ggot mods" comment wasn't frequent enough to deserve infinite.

:Scorpion1000 gets one more chance upon the three months. If he doesn't learn, then we can ratchet it up to infinite and keep it that way. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== PokéBeach References ==

Are they still necessary? Legends Awakened and its theme decks are out now, so I'm not sure if we really need to credit PokéBeach for the info any longer. [[User:Cipher|Cipher]] 21:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'd go ahead and take them down. However, if [[Pokébeach]] complains, bend to their will. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Problem ==

TTE said to delete the Category "Category:Pokémon who have level-up learnsets listed" (no link to avoid wanted pages problem) when all 493 are there; but, The category still appears because of it being on[[Template:Movelist]]. I don't understand how to remove it without screwing things up, can you take a swing at it? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:Is it satisfactory now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::The category still appears on all Pokémon pages, but that might be due to the many pages that the site has to change. It is usually slow to remove things on just 30 pages, I'd hate to see how long it takes for 493. It could be fixed in about half an hour, if not...we can think of something else. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::It worked, thank you!! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't solve the problem of 10 stragglers who just wouldn't leave the category no matter what I did. I had no choice but to restore the template to how it was. We'll just have to wait for TTEchidna. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Why not change the Unreleased template at the top to include the category instead of making tons of edits? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:Probably because I'd have to make a different ton of edits to reflect this.

:That's a good idea, though. Preparing to reverse strategy...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Kadabra (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:09:10Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Abra | next=Alakazam }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Kadabra |
jname=ユンゲラー |
tmname=Yungerer |
image=064Kadabra.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=064 |
jdex=090 |
hdex=040 |
sdex=021 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Psi |
height-ftin=4′03″ |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=124.6 |
weight-kg=56.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Synchronize |
ability2=Inner Focus |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=2 SpA |
expyield=145 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=25 |
male=75 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=100 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=kadabra |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Kadabra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ユンゲラー''' ''Yungerer'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
A Kadabra is characterized by its human-like body structure and its somewhat fox-like appearance. It has two large ears of the top of either side of its head, a red star-shaped symbol of its forehead (derived from Zener cards), and two somewhat sinister looking eyes in the middles of its face. Its eyes lead down to its nose and mouth and its relatively large mustache that grows out on the narrower section of its face. On both of its arms, there are brown colored pauldron shape sections that are located on the shoulder region of its body. Its arms are fairly thin and consist of Kadabra's regular yellow-hued skin. Its hands each have three fingers, of which all each have a large white claw attached. Its torso consists of a brown colored section of body similar to a fauld and an insect like abdomen below it, which has three red wavy lines (also derived from the Zener cards). Attached to this abdomen is a huge, thick tail, which is mostly yellow with a band of brown circling it. Its legs are very thin and also yellow colored. Its feet each have three toes, two in the front on each side, and one in the back near the ankle. Each of these toes has a large white claw attached to it.

====Gender differences====
A female has a shorter moustache.

====Special abilities====
Kadabra, and its evolution, {{p|Alakazam}}, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learn {{m|Kinesis}}.

===Behavior===
===Habitat===
[[Image:Urban.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Urban Pokémon|Urban Pokémon]]]]
Kadabra live in urban areas, close to humans. Mostly they are found in abandoned buildings left to disrepair.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Anime Episode 22 Screenshot - 1.png|thumb|right|[[Sabrina's Kadabra]] just after it evolved]]
[[Sabrina]], the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Saffron City]], has a {{TP|Sabrina|Kadabra}} that evolved from an Abra in ''[[EP022|Abra and the Psychic Showdown]]''.

In ''[[AG146|Fear Factor Phony]]'', a Kadabra was living in an abandoned mining colony with several other Psychic-type Pokémon.

==In the manga==
Like her {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart, [[Sabrina]] in [[Pokémon Special]] also owns a Kadabra, that makes its first appearance in chapter 27.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Kadabra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{dex
|type=psychic
|gen=1
|redbluedex=It emits special alpha waves from its body that induce headaches just by being close by.
|stadiumdex=When it uses psychic power, all its brain cells work in unison to generate powerful alpha waves.
|yellowdex=Many odd things happen if this Pokémon is close by. For example, it makes clocks run backwards.
|golddex=It possesses strong spiritual power. The more danger it faces, the stronger its psychic power.
|silverdex=If it uses its abilities, it emits special alpha waves that cause machines to malfunction.
|crystaldex=When it closes its eyes, twice as many alpha particles come out of the surface of its body.
|stadium2dex=It possesses strong spiritual power. The more danger it faces, the stronger its psychic power.
|rubydex=Kadabra emits a peculiar alpha wave if it develops a headache. Only those people with a particularly strong psyche can hope to become a [[Pokémon trainer|Trainer]] of this Pokémon.
|sapphiredex=Kadabra holds a silver spoon in its hand. The spoon is used to amplify the alpha waves in its brain. Without the spoon, the Pokémon is said to be limited to half the usual amount of its telekinetic powers.
|emeralddex=It is rumored that a boy with psychic abilities suddenly transformed into Kadabra while he was assisting research into extrasensory powers.
|firereddex=It happened one morning - a boy with extrasensory powers awoke in bed transformed into Kadabra.
|leafgreendex=It emits special alpha waves from its body that induce headaches just by being close.
|diamonddex=If one is nearby, an eerie shadow appears on TV screens. Seeing the shadow is said to bring bad luck.
|pearldex=When it uses its psychic power, it emits strong alpha waves that can ruin precision devices.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Rare |
rbarea=[[Unknown Dungeon]] |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea={{rt|8}}|
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea={{rt|8}} |
crarity=Rare |
carea={{rt|8}} |
rsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Abra}} |
earea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Abra}} |
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Cerulean Cave]]|
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea={{rt|215}}|
palarea=Field |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Evolve from {{p|Abra}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobosphere Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Buried Relic]] (40F-49F) [[Wish Cave]] (46F-50F) [[Solar Cave]] (13F-20F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Treeshroud Forest]] (1F-9F) [[Spacial Rift]] (B1-B15) [[Deep Spacial Rift]] (B1-B9) [[Lost Wilderness]] (B1-B17)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=40 |
Attack=35 |
Defense=30 |
SpAtk=120 |
SpDef=70 |
Special=120 |
Speed=105 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200|
notes=yes|
gen1psychic=yes|
oldghost=0|}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Kadabra}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|psychic|4|1|Kadabra}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Kinesis|Psychic|Status|—|80|15|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|Previous|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|16|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|18|Disable|Normal|Status|—|80|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Miracle Eye|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|24|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|28|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|30|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|34|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|40|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|42|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|80|90|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|46|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Psychic|Psychic|4|1|Kadabra}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM48]]|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM60]]|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|60|100|5|Beauty|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM63]]|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM67]]|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM92]]|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|psychic|psychic|4|1|Kadabra}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Barrier|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Encore|Normal|Status|—|100|5|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}}|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Guard Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}}|Power Trick|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electabuzz}}, {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmortar}}|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Sableye}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|4}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|psychic|psychic|4|1|Kadabra}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Metronome|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{tutor/note|4}}

====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Confuse Ray}} {{ic|Ghost}}

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=psychic |
ndex=064 |
Pinevo=yes |
PinRSevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-19% |
area=Decrepit Lab |
P1= Let me demonstrate real psychic power! |
P2= Tch! My health has been reduced to half! |
P3= I am failing... My psychic power is on the wane... |
PL= Ah, fine! I have leveled up! Greater things are expected of me! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|063|Abra|1|Psychic||[[Level|Level 16]]|064|Kadabra|1|Psychic||[[Trade]]|065|Alakazam|1|Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=1|
gender=both|
ndex=064|
name=Kadabra|
}}

==Trivia==
* "Pocus" was Kadabra's original English name.
* Kadabra is one of the few Pokémon that loses weight after it evolves. Other examples would include {{p|Porygon}} to {{p|Porygon2}} and {{p|Gloom}} to {{p|Bellossom}}.
* Kadabra has what appears to be a bulge in the back of its head in [[Generation I]] sprites, this seems to have been dropped in subsequent generations, or it may have been a side effect of the poor quality of the backsprites in the first generation.
* In Kadabra's [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], and [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green]] sprites, the red five-pointed star is missing from its forehead.
===Origin===
Kadabra is based on a magician or someone who purports to bend spoons psychically, such as Uri Geller. It also has similarities to {{wp|foxes}}.
====Name origin====
Kadabra's name is part of an incantation used in {{wp|magic (illusion)|stage magic}}, ''{{wp|Abracadabra}}''. Its Japanese name is a reference to the magician {{wp|Uri Geller}}, replacing the ''ri'' character with the visually similar ''n'' character. Uri Geller claimed to have the ability to bend spoons with his mind, which is probably why Kadabra carries a spoon. Geller attempted to make a case against [[Nintendo|Nintendo of America]] for using his likeness in a character and lost.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Kadabra
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Kadabra
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 윤겔라 ''Yun'gella''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 勇吉拉 - Transliteration of its Japanese name
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 尤基納 - Transliteration of its Japanese name

==External links==
*[[wp:Kadabra|Article on Wikipedia]]

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[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

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[[pt:Kadabra (pokémon)]]
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Entei (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:07:52Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Raikou | next=Suicune }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Entei |
jname=エンテイ |
tmname=Entei |
image=244Entei.png|
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=244 |
jdex=239 |
hdex=379 |
fdex=202 |
typen=1 |
type1=Fire |
type2= |
species=Volcano |
height-ftin=6′11″ |
height-m=2.1 |
weight-lbs=436.5 |
weight-kg=198.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ability2= |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=20,480 |
effortyield=1 HP, 2 Atk |
expyield=217 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=none |
female=0 |
male=0 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=3 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=entei |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}

'''Entei''' (Japanese: '''エンテイ''' ''Entei'') is a [[legendary Pokémon|legendary]] {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon. It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

Entei come with the [[ability]] {{a|Pressure}} which forces the opponent to increase [[Power Points|PP]] usage.

It is, along with {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Suicune}}, one of the [[Legendary Beasts]] created by {{p|Ho-Oh}} after the burning of the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]].

[[Entei (Spell of the Unown)|Entei]] was a major character in the movie [[Spell of the Unown]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Entei is a lion-like creature covered in brown fur with a long, thick mane covering its neck. It has gray plates surrounding the cape that makes it look as if smoke is coming out of a crater on its back. Entei has white paws and black bands on its legs, It has a red face with a white plate that resembles a handlebar mustache on its face, and a three-pointed yellow crest on its forehead.

It is said that an Entei is born whenever a volcano erupts. It is also said that whenever Entei vocalizes (specifically, barks or roars) a volcano erupts somewhere in the world.

====Gender differences====
Entei is a genderless species.

====Special abilities====
Entei can shoot flames that are hotter than volcanic magma.

===Behavior===
===Habitat===
[[Image:Grassland.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Grassland Pokémon|Grassland Pokémon]]]]
As a member of the legendary beast trio, Entei are constantly on the move with no set place to hang around in. However, it is speculated that Entei (as well as the other [[legendary beasts]]) is not a unique species because Pokédex entries state that an Entei is born every time a volcano erupts and, in Pokémon Ranger, Solana or Lunick say "Wow! An Entei!" rather than saying "Wow! Entei!"

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:EnteiAnime.jpg|thumb|right|Entei in the anime]]The first appearance was in the movie ''[[Spell of the Unown]]'', in which an [[Entei (Spell of the Unown)|illusionary Entei]] appeared to [[Molly Hale]] after she made a wish on the [[Unown (Spell of the Unown)|Unown]].

A real Entei later appeared in the episode ''[[EP259|Entei at Your Own Risk]]''.

==In the manga==
===[[Pokémon Special]]===
Entei was awakened by {{Special|Yellow}} along with its two counterparts, and the three raced around [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] looking for {{pkmn|trainer}}s to help them defeat the [[Mask of Ice]] to free {{p|Ho-Oh}}. Entei eventually pairs up with [[Blaine]], and later {{Special|Silver}}. In Pokémon Special, Entei's fire has a healing effect, burning away disease and evil auras. Blaine uses this fire to burn away the {{p|Mewtwo}} cells infecting his arm, and [[DJ Mary]]'s {{p|Smeargle}} copies this power using {{m|Sketch}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Entei (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[Image:Entei Brawl.jpg|right|thumb|Entei in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Entei unleashes a volcanic {{m|Fire Spin}} that deals a lot of damage to any opponents that get trapped in it.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Ranger]]: [[Gordor]] considers Entei to be the best and most loyal of the legendary trio. The player captures it when it is first unleashed in the [[Jungle Relic]] but it is still taken by the [[Go-Rock Squad]], using their new Super Styler. Entei later acts as the final boss of the game.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=fire
|gen=2
|golddex=Volcanoes erupt when it barks. Unable to restrain its extreme power, it races headlong around the land.
|silverdex=A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears.
|crystaldex=This brawny Pokémon courses around the earth, spouting flames hotter than a volcano's magma.
|rubydex=Entei embodies the passion of magma. This Pokémon is thought to have been born in the eruption of a volcano. It sends up massive bursts of fire that utterly consume all that they touch.
|sapphiredex=Entei embodies the passion of magma. This Pokémon is thought to have been born in the eruption of a volcano. It sends up massive bursts of fire that utterly consume all that they touch.
|emeralddex=Entei embodies the passion of magma. It is thought to have been born in the eruption of a volcano. It blasts fire that consumes all that it touches.
|firereddex=A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears.
|leafgreendex=Volcanoes erupt when it barks. Unable to restrain its extreme power, it races headlong around the land.
|stadium2dex=Volcanoes erupt when it barks. Unable to restrain its extreme power, it races headlong around the land.
|diamonddex=It is said that when it roars, a volcano erupts somewhere around the globe.
|pearldex=It is said that every time Entei roars, a volcano erupts somewhere in the world.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=fire |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=One |
gsarea=[[Roaming Pokémon|Roaming]] [[Johto]] |
crarity=One |
carea=[[Roaming Pokémon|Roaming]] [[Johto]] |
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Roaming Pokémon|Roaming]] [[Kanto]] |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[Mt. Battle]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dprarity=None |
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{fire color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Random Agent Cards Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Fiery Field]] (30F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger]]
| [[Fiore Temple]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Dark Crater]] (B10F)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=115 |
Attack=115 |
Defense=85 |
SpAtk=90 |
SpDef=75 |
Speed=100 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=fire|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Entei}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|fire|fire|4|2|Entei}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|8|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Fire Spin|Normal|Special|15|70|15|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|29|Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|36|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|43|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|50|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|57|Lava Plume|Fire|Special|80|100|15|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|64|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|71|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|78|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|fire|fire|4|2|Entei}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM05]]|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM50]]|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM61]]|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM71]]|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[breeding]]====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|fire|fire|4|2|Entei}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{tutor/note|4}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|244|40|Shadow Rush|--|--|--|Sunny Day|Fire|Leer|Normal|Bite|Dark|Fire Blast|Fire|colo|fire}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=fire |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=0.1% |
ndex=244|
area=Sacred Field |
P1= Let volcanoes lend me the power to strike down foes! |
P2= This is worrisome... My health has dwindled to half its peak... |
P3= This is it... The power of volcanoes no longer reaches me... |
PL= Ah, level up! May volcanoes empower me! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG= Fire |
typeA= Fire |
field= Burn x3 |
loop= 13 (first battle) 17 (second battle) |
MinEXP=580 |
MaxEXP=600 |
browser= Entei is a [[legendary Pokémon]] that can skillfully summon and control flames. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/0|244|Entei|1|Fire}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=fire|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=244|
name=Entei|
}}

==Trivia==
*Entei can be seen in the photograph above the green table in the Misthouse Lodge in [[Pokémon Ranger]].
*Entei shares the same [[species]] name with {{p|Quilava}} and {{p|Typhlosion}}. They are all known as Volcano Pokémon.
*Entei's G/S/C shiny sprites were the ones used for all subsequent normal sprites of later generations, except for the head piece which has not changed color since its debut.
===Origin===
It has aspects of several different animals, but most prominently it resembles a male {{wp|lion}}.

====Name origin====
Entei's Japanese name is likely a combination of 炎天 ''enten'', blazing heat, or just 炎 ''en'' – an alternate reading of ''honō'' – flame, and 皇帝 ''kōtei'', emperor.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Entei
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Entei
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 앤테이 ''Entei''

==Related articles==
* [[Entei (Spell of the Unown)]]
* [[Legendary beasts]]

==External links==
*[[wp:Entei (Pokémon)|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://entei.grey-street.net/ Fire Legend], the fanlisting for Entei
*[http://www.brawlsnapshots.com/snapshots/tag?order=score&tag=entei Snapshots of Entei from Super Smash Bros. Brawl]

{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{Smash Bros.}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Raikou | next=Suicune }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are not part of an evolutionary line]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Trio Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon obtainable before the Elite Four]]
[[Category:Kanto Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Johto Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Genderless Pokémon]]
[[Category:Roaming Pokémon]]

[[de:Entei]]

[[fr:Enteï]]
[[ja:エンテイ]]
[[pl:Entei]]
[[pt:Entei (pokémon)]]
[[Category:Pokémon with facial hair]]

Electivire (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:07:37Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Tangrowth | next=Magmortar }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Electivire |
jname=エレキブル |
tmname=Elekibull |
image=Erekiburu.jpg |
caption=Artwork from Diamond/Pearl |
ndex=466 |
adex=072 |
typen=1 |
type1=Electric |
type2= |
species=Thunderbolt |
height-ftin=5′11″ |
height-m=1.8 |
weight-lbs=305.6 |
weight-kg=138.6 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Motor Drive |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=6,400 |
effortyield=3 Atk |
expyield=199 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=25 |
male=75 |
color=Yellow |
catchrate=30 |
body= 06|
pokefordex= |
generation=4 |
footnotes= }}
'''Electivire''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''エレキブル''' ''Elekibull'') is an {{Type2|Electric}} Pokémon. It is the final form in the {{p|Electabuzz}} evolutionary line.

Electivire comes with the [[ability]] {{a|Motor Drive}}, which gives it a Speed boost if it gets hit by an Electric attack.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Electivire is a humanoid creature covered in yellow fur with black stripes, and five black fingers on each of its hands. It lacks a neck, similarly to its baby form, {{p|Elekid}}, and has red eyes, a black spot on its forehead and the same antennae as {{p|Electabuzz}}. There is a pattern on Electivire's back that resembles an electric outlet, and it has two black tails that each have a red tip. Electivire has black feet with three toes in the front.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Electivire can use attacks that its pre-evolutions can use, except that Electivire's attacks will be more powerful. However, Electivire is also capable of knowing {{m|Flamethrower}}, {{m|Earthquake}} and {{m|Rock Slide}}. {{t|Electric}}al attacks are unable to do any damage to Electivire, but they will instead stimulate its muscles so it can move faster.

===Behavior===
===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Electivire usually feed off of electric currents. In the last episode of the [[Advanced Generation series]], when [[Team Rocket]] first see Gary's Electivire, it was eating fruit that it got off of the trees.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Gary's Electivire.jpg|thumb|right|Gary's Electivire]]
[[Gary Oak]] used an Electivire to battle against [[Ash's Pikachu]] in ''[[AG191|Home is Where the Start Is]]''.

[[Gary's Electivire]] appeared once more in [[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]] It was used to protect {{p|Shieldon}} from being captured by [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]].

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Electivire (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=electric
|gen=4
|diamonddex=It pushes the tips of its two tails against the foe, then lets loose with over 20,000 volts of power.
|pearldex=It pushes the tips of its two tails against the foe, then lets loose with over 20,000 volts of power.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=electric |
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Electabuzz}}|
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{electric color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Spacial Rift]] (B1-B15) [[Deep Spacial Rift]] (B1-B9)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Offshore Oil Platform Hideout]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=75 |
Attack=123 |
Defense=67 |
SpAtk=95 |
SpDef=85 |
Speed=95 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=Electric|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
motordrive=yes|
newelectric=½}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Electivire }}
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|electric|electric|4|4|Electivire}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|7|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|10|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|16|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|25|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|28|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|37|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|43|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|52|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|58|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|67|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|electric|electric|4|4|Electivire}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM08]]|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|electric|electric|4|4|Electivire}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Abra}}, {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}} {{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Mr. Mime}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}}|Barrier|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}} {{p|Makuhita}},{{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Lucario}} {{p|Croagunk}}, {{p|Toxicroak}}|Cross Chop|Fighting|Physical|100|80|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}} {{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Cacnea}}, {{p|Cacturne}} {{p|Croagunk}}, {{p|Toxicroak}}|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Abra}}, {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}} {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Monferno}}, {{p|Infernape}} {{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}}|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Abra}}, {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}} {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}}|Karate Chop|Fighting|Physical|50|100|25|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Drowzee}}, {{p|Hypno}} {{p|Hitmonlee}} {{p|Mr. Mime}} {{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}} {{p|Croagunk}}, {{p|Toxicroak}}|Meditate|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Machop}}, {{p|Machoke}}, {{p|Machamp}} {{p|Hitmonlee}} {{p|Hitmontop}}|Rolling Kick|Fighting|Physical|60|85|15|Cool|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=electric |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Electric |
typeA2= Electric |
field2= Thunder x3 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|239|Elekid|1|Electric||[[Level|Level 30]]|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric||[[Trade]] with [[Electirizer]]|466|Electivire|1|Electric}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=electric|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=466|
name=Electivire}}

==Trivia==
* Despite being used to advertise Sinnoh to Ash by Gary in the anime, Electivire isn't obtainable in Sinnoh until after having beaten the Elite Four, and even then only by twice evolving a Pokémon caught via the [[dongle method]].

*In [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], it is possible to get a transferable Electivire by entering one of the following codes - depending on region and language - at the "Self-Introduction" option in the Profile menu:
**US:
***<code>BA16-X4SH-E2AT</code>
**PAL:
***English: <code>tko3-9jwp-34kl</code>
***French: <code>jk4i-df87-dsf9</code>
***Spanish: <code>04in-1ynj-24fv</code>
***German: <code>0f9-ud0g-ughj</code>
***Italian: <code>t4oi-6j8d-sb5r</code>.
*The Electivire will be level 50, an [[Natures|Adamant]] male, inside a regular [[Poké Ball]] with a [[Magnet]] and will know the [[moves]] {{m|ThunderPunch}}, {{m|Ice Punch}}, {{m|Cross Chop}}, and {{m|Earthquake}}.
*Electivire has the highest base attack stat out of all {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon.
*Electivire is the currently the only {{type2|Electric}} Pokémon that can learn {{m|Earthquake}}.

===Origin===
Electivire seems to be based on a {{wp|yeti}}. It is also very likely to be based on a gorilla. However, its Motor Drive ability which boosts speed after being struck by an electric attack by stimulating its muscles to help move faster is similar to Mary Shelly's Frankenstein which was created by electricity.

====Name origin====
Elekibull is believed to be combination of エレキテル ''erekiteru'', electricity, and ブル ''buru'', bull, or ケーブル ''kēburu'', cable. ''Electivire'' is based off of the words ''electricity'' and ''wire'', as in the two cord-like tails it has. Its name could have also been based off of ''virus'', referring to computer viruses, or ''vampire'', because its ability "feeds" off of electric attacks. Its German name, Elevoltek, comes from ''Elektro-'', ''volt'' ''Technik''. Its French name, Elekable, comes from ''{{tt|électrique|electric}}'' and {{tt|câble|wire}}.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Elevoltek
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Elekable
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]:

==Related articles==
[[Gary's Electivire]]

==External links==
*[[wp:Electivire|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Tangrowth | next=Magmortar }}

{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Elevoltek]]
[[fr:Élékable]]
[[ja:エレキブル]]
[[pt:Electivire (pokémon)]]
[[Category:Pokémon with facial hair]]

Barboach (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:06:44Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Solrock | next=Whiscash }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Barboach |
jname=ドジョッチ |
tmname=Dojoach |
image=339Barboach.png |
caption=Artwork from R/S/E |
ndex=339 |
hdex=127 |
sdex=080 |
typen=2 |
type1=Water |
type2=Ground |
species=Whiskers |
height-ftin=1′04″ |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=4.2 |
weight-kg=1.9 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Oblivious |
ability2=Anticipation |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 2 |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=1 HP |
expyield=92 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=190 |
body=03 |
pokefordex=barboach |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Barboach''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドジョッチ''' ''Dojoach'') is a dual-type {{2t|Water|Ground}} Pokémon.

Barboach evolves into {{p|Whiscash}} at level 30.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Barboach are small, catfish-like Pokémon that are covered in a slimy film at all times. They have an innate sense of seismic activity that is more present in their evolved form, Whiscash. Barboach have blue whiskers that work as a superb radar in even the murkiest of water, as well as rounded pectoral fins and a tail fin. Judging by this, it is suggested that they aren't fast swimmers, but are hardy fish Pokémon. The main body of a Barboach is a soft gray color with a jagged black line running the length of their body - this might represent a fissure crack or fault line, reflecting Barboach's dual types - {{t|Ground}} and {{t|Water}}.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Being {{t2|Ground}}- and {{t2|Water}}-typed gives Barboach the rare ability to wield ground-type moves such as {{M|Magnitude}}. Barboach can either have the ability {{A|Oblivious}}, which prevents {{status|Attract|attraction}}, or {{A|Anticipation}}, which lets its owner know if the foe knows super-effective or {{cat|one-hit knockout moves}}. Though they may be small, Barboach are able to learn {{M|Earthquake}} and {{M|Fissure}} at later levels. It can also learn a few {{type2|Psychic}} moves.

===Behavior===
Barboach are clever hunters and are known to hide in mud with only their two whiskers exposed, waiting for prey to come by. They also probe muddy riverbeds with these whiskers, hoping to flush out some prey.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Much like a real loach, it can be found on muddy river bottoms.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

Because of their habitat and behavior, it's likely that they eat small bugs and fish that live in mud at the bottom of lakes. They also probably eat rotting plant matter and berries that find their way to the bottom.
Barboach appears to be an {{wp|omnivore}}, and it is not known whether they prey on other fish Pokémon.

==In the anime==

Barboach was going to be featured in [[AG101 (unaired)|an episode]] between ''[[AG100|Solid as a Solrock]]'' and ''[[AG101|Vanity Affair]]'', but it was postponed due to a earthquake that occurred sometime before its scheduled airdate.

Barboach was one of the Pokémon that [[Juan]] used for his performance at the beginning of ''[[AG110|The Great Eight Fate]]''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Barboach (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|gen=3
|type=water
|rubydex=Barboach's sensitive whiskers serve as a superb radar system. This Pokémon hides in mud, leaving only its two whiskers exposed while it waits for prey to come along.
|sapphiredex=Barboach's body is covered with a slimy film. If a foe grabs it, this Pokémon just slips out of the enemy's grip. This Pokémon grows weak if the slimy coating dries up.
|emeralddex=Its body is covered with a slimy film. The film acts as a barrier to prevent germs in muddy water from entering the Barboach's body.
|firereddex=It probes muddy riverbeds with its two long whiskers. A slimy film protects its body.
|leafgreendex=It probes muddy riverbeds with its two long whiskers. A slimy film protects its body.
|diamonddex=It coats its entire body with a slimy fluid so it can squirm and slip away if grabbed.
|pearldex=Its whiskers make a superb radar. They are used to locate prey, even in the murkiest of water.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability |
gen=3 |
type=water |
rsrarity=Uncommon (Good Rod) Common (Super Rod) |
rsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|111}}, {{rtn|114}}, {{rtn|120}}, [[Meteor Falls]], {{ho|Victory Road}} |
erarity=Uncommon (Good Rod) Common (Super Rod) |
earea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|111}}, {{rtn|114}}, {{rtn|120}}, [[Meteor Falls]], {{ho|Victory Road}} |
dprarity=Common |
dparea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|205}}, {{rtn|208}}, {{rtn|210}}, {{rtn|212}}, {{rtn|227}}, {{rtn|228}}, [[Celestic Town]], [[Eterna City]], [[Great Marsh]], [[Mt. Coronet]], [[Oreburgh Gate]], [[Ravaged Path]] (Good Rod) |
palarea=Pond |
}}

====In side games====

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Lake (Sapphire Field)
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 10 Endless Level 14 Forever Level 9 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Waterfall Pond]] (1F-5F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Waterfall Cave]] (B1-B8) [[Serenity River]] (B1-B7)
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=50 |
Attack=48 |
Defense=43 |
SpAtk=46 |
SpDef=41 |
Speed=60 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=water |
type2=ground|
Normal=100 |
Flying=100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground=100 |
Rock=50 |
Bug=100 |
Poison=50 |
Ghost=100 |
Steel=50 |

Fire=50 |
Grass=400 |
Electric=0 |
Psychic=100 |
Water=100 |
Ice=100 |
Dragon=100 |
Dark=100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Barboach}}
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|water|ground|4|3|Barboach}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|6|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|6|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|10|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|14|Mud Bomb|Ground|Special|65|85|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|18|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|22|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|26|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|31|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|31|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|35|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|39|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|43|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|80|90|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|47|Fissure|Ground|Physical|—|30|5|Tough|0}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|water|ground|4|3|Barboach}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|water|ground|4|3|Barboach}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Chinchou}}, {{p|Lanturn}} {{p|Goldeen}}, {{p|Seaking}} {{p|Magikarp}}|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gyarados}} {{p|Chinchou}}, {{p|Lanturn}} {{p|Wailmer}}, {{p|Wailord}} {{p|Qwilfish}} {{p|Relicanth}}|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Chinchou}}, {{p|Lanturn}}|Spark|Electric|Physical|65|100|20|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Chinchou}}, {{p|Lanturn}} {{p|Qwilfish}} {{p|Carvanha}}, {{p|Sharpedo}} {{p|Relicanth}} {{p|Luvdisc}}|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Gyarados}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|90|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Wailmer}}, {{p|Wailord}} {{p|Finneon}}, {{p|Lumineon}}|Whirlpool|Water|Special|15|70|15|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{eggmoves/note|3}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|water|ground|4b|3a|Barboach}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{tutor/note|4}}

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=water |
ndex=339 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=8.3% |
area=Peanut Swamp |
P1= I can slip, squirm, and slime my way out of any trouble! |
P2= Uh-oh! I only have half my HP left! |
P3= Oh, no... Even my slime is drying up... |
PL= I went up a level! I turned slimier, too! Feeling good! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1|339|Barboach|2|Water|Ground|[[Level|Level 30]]|340|Whiscash|2|Water|Ground|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=water|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=339|
name=Barboach|
}}

==Trivia==
* Barboach and {{p|Whiscash}} are the only dual-typed {{2t|Water|Ground}} Pokémon who are not in the {{egg|Water 1}} egg group.
* Barboach is the only Pokémon that learns {{m|Spark}} through breeding. Coincidentally, Barboach and {{p|Whiscash}} are the only non-{{t|Electric}} Pokémon to learn this move.
===Origin===
Barboach seems to be based off of the {{wp|Weather loach|loach}}, however it is suspected to share characteristics with {{wp|hagfish}}.
====Name origin====
Barboach's name is a combination of ''barb'', referring to the barbs around its mouth, and ''loach'', referring to the species of fish that is similar to Barboach. Its Japanese name is a contraction of ''{{wp|Misgurnus anguillicaudatus|dojo loach}}'', or just a combination of 泥鰌 ''dojō'', Japanese for loach, and ''loach'' or 土 ''tsuchi'', ground. It is also worth noting that 泥 ''doru'' means mud.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Schmerbe
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Barloche
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 미꾸리 ''Mikkuri''

==External links==
*[[wp:Barboach|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Solrock | next=Whiscash }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Schmerbe]]
[[ja:ドジョッチ]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Barboach (pokémon)]]
[[Category:Pokémon with facial hair]]

Alakazam (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:05:46Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Kadabra | next=Machop }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Alakazam |
jname=フーディン |
tmname=Foodin |
image=065Alakazam.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=065 |
jdex=091 |
hdex=041 |
sdex=022 |
adex=184 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Psi |
height-ftin=4′11″ |
height-m=1.5 |
weight-lbs=105.8 |
weight-kg=48.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Synchronize |
ability2=Inner Focus |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=3 SpA |
expyield=186 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gender=both |
female=25 |
male=75 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=50 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=alakazam |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Alakazam''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''フーディン''' ''Foodin'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon. It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Kadabra}} when it is traded.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Alakazam is characterized by its human-like body structure and its somewhat fox-like appearance. It has two large ears on the top of either side of its head, and two somewhat sinister looking eyes in the middle of its face. Its eyes lead down to its nose and mouth and its relatively large mustache that grows out on the two sides of the narrower section of its face. On both of its arms, there are brown colored pauldron-shaped sections that are located on the shoulder region of its body. Following this, there is a normal section of its regular yellow-hued skin that leads to a brown vambrace-shaped section followed by Alakazam's yellow hands. Each of which have three fingers, and are noticeably missing the claws it had on each of them in its pre-evolved form. Its torso consists of a brown colored section of body similar to a fauld and a yellow-colored crotch area. Its upper leg is yellow and connects to another brown colored poleyn type section followed by its somewhat large foot. Its foot consists of three toes, two toes in the front and one near the ankle of the foot, that each have one large white colored claw attached to it.
====Gender differences====
A female has a shorter moustache.

===Special abilities===
It is said that Alakazam is known to have mastered every type and form of psychic ability, including, telekinesis, telepathy, telempathy, psionic abilities, levitation, defensive techniques, mind control, and telekinetic blasts. It can remember everything, and has an I.Q. of 5,000.

Alakazam, and its pre-evolution, {{p|Kadabra}}, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learn {{m|Kinesis}}.

===Behavior===
Each Alakazam carries two spoons everywhere it goes. These spoons are said to increase this Pokémon's psychic ability greatly. It is also a known fact that Alakazam's IQ is around 5000, and are considered to be the second most intelligent Pokémon. It is also said that they have excellent memory, and can remember everything from the moment they were born.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Urban.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Urban Pokémon|Urban Pokémon]]]]
Alakazam live in urban areas, close to humans. Mostly they are found in abandoned buildings left to disrepair.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Kenny Alakazam 2.JPG|right|thumb|{{Si|Kenny}}'s Alakazam]]
A [[Giant Pokémon|giant]] Alakazam was awakened near the site of the Pokémopolis ruins in ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]''.

An Alakazam belonging to [[Rudy]] made a cameo appearance in ''[[EP103|Misty Meets Her Match]]''.

Alakazam also made an appearance in ''[[EP108|Pokémon Double Trouble]]''. This Alakazam was used by [[Luana]], the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Kumquat Island]], in a double battle against {{Ash}}.

[[Gary Oak]] was seen battling an Alakazam with his new {{p|Umbreon}} in ''[[EP171|Power Play]]''. He has an Alakazam that he may or may not have caught as an Abra or a Kadabra. This Alakazam was seen in Gary's profile in ''[[EP269|The Ties that Bind!]]''.

Alakazam appeared under the ownership of [[Eusine]] in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]''.

[[Winstrate Family|Vito Winstrate]] had his Alakazam stop his grandmother's {{p|Camerupt}}'s rampage in ''[[AG046|Candid Camerupt!]]''.

An Alakazam was living in abandoned mining colony with several other Psychic Pokémon in ''[[AG146|Fear Factor Phony]]''.

[[Anabel]] uses an {{TP|Anabel|Alakazam}} in ''[[AG169|Talking a Good Game]]'' and ''[[AG170|Second Time's the Charm]]''.

{{Si|Kenny}} uses his Alakazam in the first round of the Floaroma Pokémon Contest in ''[[DP027|Settling a Not-So-Old Score!]]''.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Special manga===
Alakazam debuts in ''[[PS011|Buzz Off, Electabuzz!]]'' when {{Special|Red}} frees the Pokémon kidnapped by [[Lt. Surge]]; instead of his beloved {{p|Abra}}, the [[Pokémon Fan Club President|President of the Pokémon Fan Club]] finds himself with a not-so-cute Alakazam.

In {{PSV|9}}, after {{Special|Red}}'s aptitude test to be the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Viridian City]], a swarm of [[wild Pokémon]] suddenly appear outside the [[Gym]] after being attracted by Pokémon March music, one of which is an Alakazam. {{Special|Green}} captures all of them with his {{p|Scizor}}. Alakazam is seen again in {{PSV|13}} as part of Green's team for the [[Gym Leader]] faceoff, and again in {{PSV|24}} as one of the Pokémon in [[Viridian Gym]]. It defeated {{p2|Pikachu|Chuchu}} easily using a combination of {{m|Role Play}} and {{m|ThunderPunch}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Alakazam (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Alakazam is the leader of [[Team A.C.T.]], a [[Rank#Mystery Dungeon|Gold Rank]] rescue team. He is already a great leader but strives to better himself further to be like his hero, {{p|Lucario}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Its brain can outperform a super-computer. Its [[wp:Intelligence quotient|intelligence quotient]] is said to be 5,000.
|yellowdex=A Pokémon that can memorize anything. It never forgets what it learns -- that's why this Pokémon is smart.
|golddex=Closing both its eyes heightens all its other senses. This enables it to use its abilities to their extremes.
|silverdex=Its brain cells multiply continually until it dies. As a result, it remembers everything.
|crystaldex=It has an IQ of 5000. It calculates many things in order to gain the edge in every battle.
|stadiumdex=A Pokémon that uses psychic power. It is highly intelligent and capable of instantly identifying its foe's weakness.
|stadium2dex=Closing both its eyes heightens all its other senses. This enables it to use its abilities to their extremes.
|rubydex=Alakazam's brain continually grows, making its head far too heavy to support with its neck. This Pokémon holds its head up using its psychokinetic power instead.
|sapphiredex=Alakazam's brain continually grows, infinitely multiplying brain cells. This amazing brain gives this Pokémon an astoundingly high IQ of 5,000. It has a thorough memory of everything that has occurred in the world.
|emeralddex=While it has strong psychic abilities and high intelligence, an Alakazam's muscles are very weak. It uses psychic power to move its body.
|firereddex=It does not like physical attacks very much. Instead, it freely uses extra-sensory powers to defeat foes.
|leafgreendex=Its brain can outperform a supercomputer. Its IQ (intelligence quotient) is said to be around 5,000.
|diamonddex=Its superb memory lets it recall everything it has experienced from birth. Its IQ exceeds 5,000.
|pearldex=Its highly developed brain is on par with a supercomputer. It can use all forms of psychic abilities.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
gsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
carea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
rsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
earea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Kadabra}} |
palarea=Field |
}}

====In side games====

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{psychic color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Evolve from {{p|Kadabra}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Endless Level 81 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| Evolve from {{p|Kadabra}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Treeshroud Forest]] (10F-20F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Asoheru Tower]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=55 |
Attack=50 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk=135 |
SpDef=85 |
Special=135 |
Speed=120 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 |
notes=yes|
gen1psychic=yes|
oldghost=0|}}

===Learnset===
{{evolved learnset intro|Alakazam}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|psychic|4|1|Alakazam}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Kinesis|Psychic|Status|—|80|15|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|Previous|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|16|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|18|Disable|Normal|Status|—|80|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|22|Miracle Eye|Psychic|Status|—|—|40|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|24|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|28|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|30|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|34|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|36|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|40|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|42|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|80|90|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|46|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Psychic|Psychic|4|1|Alakazam}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM48]]|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM60]]|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|60|100|5|Beauty|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM63]]|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM67]]|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM92]]|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|psychic|psychic|4|1|Alakazam}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Barrier|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Encore|Normal|Status|—|100|5|Cute|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmar}}, {{p|Magmortar}}|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mr. Mime}}|Guard Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Meditite}}, {{p|Medicham}}|Power Trick|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Medicham}} {{p|Hitmonchan}} {{p|Electabuzz}}, {{p|Electivire}} {{p|Magmortar}}|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Makuhita}}, {{p|Hariyama}} {{p|Sableye}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|4}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|psychic|psychic|4|1|Alakazam}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|Tough|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Metronome|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mtentry4|no|yes|no|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mtentry4|yes|yes|no|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{tutor/note|4}}

====[[TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Confuse Ray}} {{ic|Ghost}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=psychic |
ndex=065 |
Pinevo=yes |
PinRSevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Decrepit Lab |
P1= Do not believe in only what the eyes see! |
P2= My health has been cut to half. I must beware. |
P3= I failed to foresee this... I am done for... |
PL= Hm! My level has gone up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Psychic |
typeA2= Psychic |
field2= Teleport |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|063|Abra|1|Psychic||[[Level|Level 16]]|064|Kadabra|1|Psychic||[[Trade]]|065|Alakazam|1|Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=1|
gender=both|
ndex=065|
name=Alakazam|
}}

==Trivia==
*Alakazam weighs less than {{p|Kadabra}}. The reason could be that Alakazam lacks a tail, which Kadabra has.
*Alakazam is believed to be the second smartest Pokémon, after {{p|Uxie}}.
*Although somewhat hard to see, Alakazam had the {{wp|Star of David}} on its forehead in its [[Pokémon Red and Green]] frontal sprite.
*Althought it doesn't have a tail, Alakazam is able to learn the move {{m|Iron Tail}} in [[Generation]]s {{gen|III}} and {{gen|IV}}.

===Origin===
Alakazam's spoons are a reference to the magician {{wp|Uri Geller}}, who claimed to have the ability to bend spoons with his mind. See the article on [[Kadabra (Pokémon)#Trivia|Kadabra]] for more information.
Like {{p|Abra}} and {{p|Kadabra}}, Alakazam shares physical traits with [[wp:Fox|foxes]].

====Name origin====
Alakazam's name is another incantation used in [[wp:magic (illusion)|stage magic]], similar to ''{{wp|Abracadabra}}''. Its Japanese name can be spelled ''Houdin'', and is probably a reference to {{wp|Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin}} or {{wp|Harry Houdini}}, who were both famous magicians.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Simsala
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Alakazam
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 후딘 ''Hudin''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 胡地
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 富迪 - Transliteration of its Japanese name

==External links==
*[[wp:Alakazam|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Kadabra | next=Machop }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Simsala]]
[[ja:フーディン]]
[[fr:Alakazam]]
[[pl:Alakazam]]

[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]
[[pt:Alakazam (pokémon)]]
[[Category:Pokémon with facial hair]]

Abomasnow (Pokémon)

2008-08-24T21:05:22Z

Antarctica: adding missing category

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Snover | next=Weavile }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Abomasnow |
jname=ユキノオー |
tmname=Yukinooh|
image=ArtYukinooh.png |
caption=Artwork from D/P |
ndex=460 |
sdex=143 |
adex=212 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Ice |
species=Frost Tree |
height-ftin=7′03″ |
height-m=2.2 |
weight-lbs=298.7 |
weight-kg=135.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Snow Warning |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Plant |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=1 Atk, 1 SpA |
expyield=214 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=White |
catchrate=60 |
body= 06|
pokefordex= |
generation=4 |
footnotes=}}
'''Abomasnow''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese:]] '''ユキノオー''' ''Yukinooh'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Ice}} Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Abomasnow are large, white creatures covered in thick, white fur. Abomasnow's feet and hands are dark-green. They have a short, dark-green tail. As Abomasnow evolve from Snover, they grow two more green spikes on their backs for a total of four. These spikes resemble mountains. Abomasnow have a bushy mustaches covering their mouths, light-purple eyes and large, bushy eyebrows that stick out like antennae.

====Gender differences====
The fur on a female's chest is thicker than it is on a male's.

====Special abilities====
Abomasnow have the ability to sense snow from miles away. Not only can they sense it, but when Abomasnow get too angry or form in packs, they have the ability to create high and low pressure in the air resulting in small snow storms. Also, Abomasnow's feet allow them to clutch into the ground. Therefore, even the harshest winds cannot blow this Pokémon down.

===Behavior===
Abomasnow are a tad short tempered. They can get very territorial and because of this, they live spaced out high atop cold and icy mountain caps so that they can have their space. They are also very stiff Pokémon both mentally and physically. Because of this, they are sometimes hard to manage.

===Habitat===
Abomasnow dwell on snowy mountaintops.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Abomasnow (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ice
|gen=4
|diamonddex=It whips up {{M|blizzard}}s in mountains that are always buried in snow. It is the abominable snowman.
|pearldex=It blankets wide areas in snow by whipping up {{M|blizzard}}s. It is also known as "The Ice Monster."
|}}

===Game locations===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Game
! [[Rarity]]
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl]]
| Rare
| [[Mt. Coronet]] top
|}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{grass color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| Evolve from {{p|Snover}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[The Ice Lake]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=90 |
Attack=92 |
Defense=75 |
SpAtk=92 |
SpDef=85 |
Speed=60 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=grass|
type2=ice|

Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 400 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Abomasnow}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|grass|ice|4|4|Abomasnow}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Powder Snow|Ice|Special|40|100|25|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|5|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|9|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|13|GrassWhistle|Grass|Status|—|55|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|17|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|21|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|26|Ice Shard|Ice|Physical|40|100|30|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|31|Ingrain|Grass|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|36|Wood Hammer|Grass|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|47|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|75|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|58|Sheer Cold|Ice|Special|—|30|5|Beauty|0}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|grass|ice|4|4|Abomasnow}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM09]]|Bullet Seed|Grass|Physical|10|100|30|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM72]]|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM75]]|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM08]]|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|grass|Ice|4|4|Abomasnow}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Cubone}}, {{p|Marowak}} {{p|Kangaskhan}} {{p|Snorlax}} {{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Skiploom}}, {{p|Jumpluff}} {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Mudkip}}, {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}} {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}} {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Grotle}}, {{p|Torterra}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}} {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Paras}}, {{p|Parasect}} {{p|Bellsprout}}, {{p|Weepinbell}}, {{p|Victreebel}} {{p|Tangela}}, {{p|Tangrowth}} {{p|Sunkern}}, {{p|Sunflora}} {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Nuzleaf}}, {{p|Shiftry}} {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Breloom}} {{p|Roselia}}, {{p|Roserade}} {{p|Cacnea}}, {{p|Cacturne}} {{p|Tropius}} {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Grotle}}, {{p|Torterra}} {{p|Cherubi}}, {{p|Cherrim}} {{p|Carnivine}}|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Exeggutor}} {{p|Tangela}}, {{p|Tangrowth}} {{p|Chikorita}},{{p|Bayleef}} , {{p|Meganium}} {{p|Hoppip}}, {{p|Skiploom}}, {{p|Jumpluff}} {{p|Sunkern}}, {{p|Sunflora}} {{p|Treecko}}, {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Sceptile}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Seedot}}, {{p|Nuzleaf}}, {{p|Shiftry}} {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Breloom}} {{p|Roselia}}, {{p|Roserade}} {{p|Cacnea}}, {{p|Cacturne}} {{p|Tropius}} {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Grotle}}, {{p|Torterra}} {{p|Cherubi}}, {{p|Cherrim}} {{p|Carnivine}}|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Bellsprout}}, {{p|Weepinbell}}, {{p|Victreebel}} {{p|Chikorita}},{{p|Bayleef}} , {{p|Meganium}} {{p|Bellossom}} {{p|Treecko}}, {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Sceptile}} {{p|Roselia}}, {{p|Roserade}} {{p|Cacnea}}, {{p|Cacturne}} {{p|Tropius}} {{p|Cherubi}}, {{p|Cherrim}} {{p|Carnivine}}|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Exeggutor}} {{p|Sunkern}}, {{p|Sunflora}} {{p|Shroomish}}, {{p|Breloom}} {{p|Cacnea}}, {{p|Cacturne}} {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Grotle}}, {{p|Torterra}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Slowpoke}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Slowking}} {{p|Exeggutor}} {{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Lickilicky}} {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Rhydon}}, {{p|Rhyperior}} {{p|Kangaskhan}} {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Pupitar}}, {{p|Tyranitar}} {{p|Mudkip}}, {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}} {{p|Whismur}}, {{p|Loudred}}, {{p|Exploud}} {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}} {{p|Tropius}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}}|Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=grass |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Ice |
typeA2= Ice |
field2= Crush x3 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1|459|Snover|2|Grass|Ice|[[Level|Level 40]]|460|Abomasnow|2|Grass|Ice|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
gen=4|
gender=both|
ndex=460|
name=Abomasnow|
}}

==Trivia==
* Alongside its pre-evolution, {{p|Snover}}, as well as {{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Exeggutor}}, and {{p|Celebi}}, Abomasnow has the most weaknesses in the game, with 7 types super-effective against it.
* Abomasnow is the first Pokémon in alphabetical order, a title previously held by {{p|Abra}}.
===Origin===
Abomasnow appears to be based on a cross between an {{wp|evergreen tree}} covered in {{wp|snow}} and a {{wp|yeti}}.
====Name origin====
Abomasnow is a shortening of the name "Abominable Snowman", another name for the yeti. Yukinooh could mean 雪の王 ''yuki no ō'', snow king.
Its German name, Rexblisar, comes from ''rex'', Latin for ''king'', and ''blizzard''. Its French name, Blizzaroi, comes from ''blizzard'' and {{tt|roi|king}}.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Rexblisar
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Blizzaroi
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]:

==External links==
*[[wp:Abomasnow|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Snover | next=Weavile }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]
[[ja:ユキノオー]]
[[de:Rexblisar]]
[[pt:Abomasnow (pokémon)]]
[[Category:Pokémon with facial hair]]