RB03

2025-04-18T16:11:52Z

Animaltamer7:

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(Japanese: '''危険なゼラブル山''' ''The Perilous Mt. Serables'') is the third chapter of the [[Pokémon RéBURST]] manga.
==Plot==
At the base, [[Ryouga]] is excited to climb Mt. Serables. However, [[Miruto]] questions why they would get the Silver Drop, as despite how valuable it is, those who have tried end up disappearing and speculates that those who challnged the mountain did not return to their normal selves, but Ryouga brushes it off. The two encounter a a treasure hunter named Tougo, who warns them that children should not being doing this and flaunts his equipment and physique, but they ignore him and start climbing.

Miruto finds climbing difficult and Ryouga tells to go home if its "impossible". Not want to let Ryouga out of her sight she carries on, but quickly gives up because of how tired she is. Tougo laughs for not taking his advice, despite being pulled around by his {{p|Galvantula}}. Miruto realizes she could use her {{p|Mandibuzz}} to fly to the top, but Ryouga advises her against it because of the strong winds around the mountain. He has her carry his luggage while carries her.

Seeing how far ahead Tougo is, Ryouga jumps and scales as fast as he can. He stops by Tougo, asking if he wants to go together, and drags him along as well. They reach the last barrier of the mountain, the "Devil's Plate". Tougo warns them about it, how the giant rock has solid, yet fragile, stalactites hanging under it. Much to his dismay, they ignore him again. As they traverse through these stactites, one breaks off. They nearly plummit with it, but Ryouga manages to hang onto another one. Soon they reach the edge and climb over it to get to the summit.

The two find a man, waiting for them. [[Hilgreitz]] prepares to strike, but Ryouga dodges in time. Hilgreitz laughs, excited that his opponent is not a weakling. Miruto recognizes the logo on his chest, matching the organization's from Mudrow City. Hilgreitz introduces himself, one of Great Gavel's Seven Warriors. He pulls out a Burst Heart and [[Burst]]s, shocking Ryouga.

==Major events==
* [[Ryouga]], [[Miruto]], and Tougo climb Mt. Serables.
* Ryouga and Miruto are attacked by Major [[Hilgreitz]] when they reach the top.

===Debuts===
====Humans====
* Tougo

====Pokémon debuts====
* {{p|Galvantula}}
* {{p|Mandibuzz}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
* [[Ryouga]]
* [[Miruto]]
* Tougo
* Major [[Hilgreitz]]

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Galvantula}} (Tougo's)
* {{p|Mandibuzz}}
* {{p|Roggenrola}}


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2023-02-27T16:22:45Z

Animaltamer7:

2022-12-26T10:49:21Z

Animaltamer7: /* Ash splitting into multiple pages discussion */

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES, IN THE SUN & MOON SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES, AND IN THE JOURNEYS SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
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== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

: I was about to ask the same question before I saw it had been asked already, so I wanna draw attention to it again because I agree. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Poke Ride ==

Why don't we add the Poke ride Pokémon that Ash uses? I had added Sharpedo, Tauros and Lapras but they removed? Why should Poke Ride be listed on Kiawe'd page but not Ash's? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:Everything that Ash uses or interacts with in any way should not (IMO) be notable. He rides Poke Ride Pokemon. So? That's what they're there for, he doesn't own them or anything significant. I really think random Poke Ride Pokemon should be removed from others' pages too, but I removed them here in particular because Ash just has so many Pokemon listed, and these ones really didn't deserve it (again, IMO). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

But he actually using them in the series as Kiawe have Pokemon to ride at school as it shown own his page. He doesn't own the Taurus from the Pokemon school or the wailmer. If I'm correct, dose that mean Ash on his article should have those Pokemon own his article. Ash shown to use few Pokemon that aren't in the game to ride on such as Wailmer and pelipper. Should we add those Pokemon it seems important for the series articles. --[[User:DragoAlex|DragoAlex]] ([[User talk:DragoAlex|talk]]) 19:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== Split suggestion ==

I propose that we split off the lists of Ash's Pokémon into a secondary article, which could be titled "Ash Ketchum's Pokémon," "Ash's Pokémon," "Ash Ketchum/Pokémon," or anything similar. By my count, the anime list alone takes up a full quarter of this page's ridiculous size (25k of ~100k bytes). In my opinion, this page should keep whatever Ash has in his party or in rotation, since that's what's relevant to the current anime, and everything else would be visible on the secondary page without cluttering up this main page. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:I think it's the temporary Pokémon section that's taking up the most space and should be split off the page. We do have a [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]], so we can do the same for Ash's temporary Pokémon. However, everything else is too important to place elsewhere.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:: I second Force Fire's suggestion! [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I've [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|started a page]], feel free to edit it and make suggestions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::I'm also with ForceFire. And what do you think about putting together released, traded away, given away and unofficial Pokemon to "lost Pokemon"?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I agree with Pumpkinking0192 as in we should split the page, the anime isn't likely to stop soon and Ash is bound to get more pokemon as time goes on Though I do believe that there should be a page with pokemon that reside at Oak's laboratory and a section for Ash's pokemon and one for Gary's (if there are any known) and have this page link to it instead of listing all pokemon that Oak is keeping for Ash. If we don't split the page eventually it'll take an hour to quickly scroll to the bottom and yes I realize that at the top there are links to send you to the area you want quickly but there are also people in this world who dislike using those links. {{unsigned|Pokegail|20:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)}}
::I also second {{U|Force Fire}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't it be better if all the Pokemon out of rotation were added to that page too? Considering Ash has caught so many Pokemon, the page will fill up quickly, and even after removing the temporary Pokemon, this page will still be big enough to cause problems. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTe]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|pig999]] 05:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

== Picture ==

First off I realized that Pikachu was edited in Ash's picture when in reality he should be alone like this: http://www.pokebeach.com/news/1016/Ash-Pikachu-Sun-Moon-Anime.jpg
Can someone remove pikachu from the picture?

Also for when the 20th movie comes out should we change his picture to his movie appearance? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:The image will not be replaced, because the movie is a standalone thing, whereas his current outfit will go on for a while after the movie airs, so there's no point in changing it for the movie and then changing it back afterwards when the next Sun and Moon episode airs. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Xy section ==

Don't you think there's a bit too much on Ash's xy section? I think it's a bit too long and detailed to the point where it spoils important parts of episodes or just that it has minor unnecessarily parts. I feel like it is like this with characters like Bonnie, Serena and xy in general {{unsigned|Mowahib}}
:Obviously so. I've been planning to make heavy, heavy trims once I've watched all of XY, but that may not happen for awhile. In the meantime, you're welcome to do it yourself. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

==Sun and Moon Ash Statement==
A friend brought this up to me earlier today and it has an official comment from the sound director on Twitter. So... uh... I'm going to mention this. http://satoshipediaeng.altervista.org/sun-moon-is-not-continuation-of-xyz-the-main-characters-are-completely-new-ash-and-pikachu/ [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:That article doesn't make a lot of sense and seems like overly agitated ramblings. It's much, much more likely that the tweet is simply misinterpreted: "not a continuation of XYZ" just means that it's a new season, just like Best Wishes could be seen as "not a continuation of DP" and XY as "not a continuation of Best Wishes". And "a completely new Satoshi and Pikachu" is patently ridiculous to take literally; it's probably referring to his character design, or else is a metaphor for, again, starting fresh with a new season.
:Let me ask you this: if Sun & Moon Ash were really a new character who's not the same as Ash from previous seasons, then how would he have been able to refer to [[Ash's Tauros|his Tauros]] in [[SM001]]? It's that simple. It's the same Ash as ever, period. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:: The phrasing is up for interpretation, they could've meant it's not a continuation of XYZ in tone (which sound is a huge part of), since XYZ was of course much darker and intense than SM is, and that Ash is different to his XYZ version because he's more lax than semi-serious as he was in XYZ. I think if it was an entirely different reality they would've made a much bigger deal about it [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 16:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: I'm simply bringing this up is all. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 17:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: While I'm (sadly) leaning towards this being possible (consider the 20th movie being a drastically altered retelling of the first few episodes, and that reboots in general are for some reason huge in the entertainment industry right now), the article also argues that the Best Wishes series is a separate continuity, which is definitely untrue. [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Since the tweet also contains pencil artwork of the SM series, I think the director is most likely referring to the new art style. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==Higher Quality Sun and Moon character artwork==
I just found character artwork for the Sun and Moon series in a larger and higher quality. They are found on the Gulli (French TV channel) website. It also includes Ash without Pikachu.
http://resize3-gulli.ladmedia.fr/img//var/jeunesse/storage/images/gulli/chaine-tv/dessins-animes/pokemon/dresseurs/sacha/26571585-3-fre-FR/Sacha.jpg

Here's the link to the artwork: http://www.gulli.fr/Chaine-TV/Dessins-animes/Pokemon/Dresseurs
([[User:Pansagetrent9|Pansagetrent9]] ([[User talk:Pansagetrent9|talk]]) 15:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC))

: Hey, this also includes high-quality artwork for most of the SM cast, nice!
:The pictures have artifacts and the colors are a bit off, but I'll try to clean them up and upload them later. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 02:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Possible M20 split? ==

Unlike the other movies, M20 is not filler. It's been said to take place in a different dimension than the main series. In other words, M20!Ash=/=MS!Ash. Should we split the page, so that all the information concerning M20!Ash does not contradict the main page. Another reason is that the two characters lived different lives, had different outfits, different companions, etc. We would no place to write the exploits of M20!Ash. It could be like what the wiki did when separating EToP!Ash from the main Ash page. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

:I've started a [[User:TheFatPanda/Ash Ketchum (M20)|page for the other Ash]] within my user page, if anybody wants to expand upon and use it? [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

==Poké Ride Stoutland picture==

I removed he that picture for Poké Ride Stouland https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SM032.png because it was updated and now don't fit for that space. I actually don't have permission for reverting or upload files. Can someone put this file instead [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/archive/2/2c/20170731022036%21SM032.png] [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 16:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 18:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Ash Kalos Full Party ==

May i have the previous photo from Kalos Full Party to save for myself please? Didn´t thought you guys would remove.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 13:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:Right here [[:File:Ash Kalos Team.png]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Split ==

I disagree with splitting Ash's Pokémon from this page. I think listing them here is important. Most of his Pokémon are only links to their own pages, so don't take up much space anyway.

However, I do think it would be a good idea to split "Ash's temporary Pokémon" to a separate page, much like [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]]. They do take up a lot of space, and don't have much relevance to Ash as a character. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
:I do believe that's [[#Split suggestion|the consensus that was reached above]], in case the reason you're making a new section is that you didn't see that one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Buzzwole ==

It's currently listed under "Temporary pokémon", but it's the only pokémon in this category at the moment that Ash actually caught in a pokéball. Since Ash actually caught and then released Buzzwole it should be moved up to "Released Pokémon". The description of "Temporary pokémon" does not fit as Buzzwole is neither a wild pokémon Ash teamed up with nor belongs to another trainer. There's precedence for this in Beedrill, which Ash also actually caught in a pokéball, which is now in its own category above the one for "temporary pokémon". [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I agree with this. Only major thing we'll have to do is make a page for Buzzwole. [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] ([[User talk:Super10ZX|talk]]) 13:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I think that case is the same of Seaking, catching in Johto. Ash doesn't use Buzzwole like the others Pokémon, just catch it. --[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 13:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

::Seaking has less going for it than Buzzwole. Seaking is caught as part of a game which has the rules to be released after, similarly to something like the [[Battle Bingo]]. It's even caught in an anime-only Lake Ball which seems to have a 100% catch rate and might not be an actual pokéball. No such arguments can be made for the Buzzwole however, which was caught as an ordinary wild pokémon in a legitimate pokéball. After catching it Ash even does his traditional "caught a pokémon" pose. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 13:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Seaking was caught as part of a [[Seaking Catching Day|structured competition]] that requires Trainers to release their Seaking back into the Seaking's natural habitat afterward; Buzzwole is caught as part of a [[Ultra Guardians|structured team effort]] that requires members to release Ultra Beasts back into [[Ultra Space|the UBs' natural habitat]] afterward. I feel like they're much more similar than you're giving them credit for. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, similar question. Why is Charjabug in Temporary section if it was caught and by the same episode gave to someone else like Beedrill?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:He never actually caught Charjabug in a Pokéball so it wouldn't count.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Catching Poipole ==

Is it safe to say Ash will catch Poipole as his 5th Pokemon judging by the Intro Japanese Future Connection? like opening animation spoilers the capture of poipole
--[[User:Feelitstill23|Use Brave Bird]] ([[User talk:Feelitstill23|talk]]) 16:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23
:Sadly Bulbapedia isn't for speculation and won't be added until the episode Ash catches Poipole, assuming he does airs.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== SM055 ==

This paragraph was removed under the reasoning that Ash was not heavily focused on in [[SM055]].

: In ''[[SM055|The Professors' New Adventure!]]'', Nebby disappeared, leaving Ash feeling sorry for not able to thank it for its help. Later, Ash discovered that Professor Kukui and [[Professor Burnet]] had decided to get married. After learning they weren't planning to have a wedding, Ash and his classmates arranged a surprise wedding ceremony, with Ash acting as the ring bearer. During the reception, Lusamine, [[Wicke]] and Faba approached Ash and his friends, with Faba apologizing for his earlier actions. The three then invited Ash and his classmates to join an Ultra Beast response unit called the [[Ultra Guardians]], which they all agreed to. By the end of the ceremony, Ash saw Nebby flying through the sky and thanked it before Nebby disappeared.

I would disagree considering that joining the Ultra Guardians was a major plot point and lead-in to future episodes, and the Pokémon School students are directly involved in organising the wedding ceremony (in Ash's case, including waking up Professor Kukui and being the ring bearer). Also the Legendary Pokémon Ash was gifted by the Island Guardians for ten episodes (who helped with the rescue of Lusamine) leaving does seem pretty major regarding Ash and Nebby to me (that's not me saying to include EVERY capture, evolution, departure and hatching across the various regions in Ash's history section though). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 23:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:It's important to note that some pages, particularly Ash's here, can get very big very easily. The history should probably be pretty broad strokes. Take a look at the Advanced Generation section: that hardly references any specific episodes, and (...without being involved in the anime much) IMO that's probably a good idea for the whole history section. (DP and BW look alright too perhaps. OS, XY, and SM can probably use greater or lesser amounts of cleaning up or compressing.)
:Just glancing at what's above, I'd say that in particular the wedding may not be that important. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I do in broad terms understand being more sparing with space and compressing when a character is around for over 5 years, never mind 20 like Ash. Although I'm not 100% sure about outright being vague with citing episodes, especially when the individual series span over a hundred episodes (or at least 3 seasons) each. At a minimum, I'd feel like mentioning "after badge X" or "after town Y" or "the Z league" and put in a more chronological order than I've seen ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&type=revision&diff=2766416&oldid=2766415 for instance, this bit correcting how in XY, Ash's travels with Korrina come BEFORE the Summer Camp]).
:: Specifically regarding the events of the episode, though, I still defend what I said about Ash, Nebby and the Ultra Guardians for the reasons I already said, even if I get just for space reasons we don't need to blow-by-blow mention everything that's plot related from ''[[S21|Ultra Adventures]]'' (though off the top of my head, I think that would depend heavily on the anime character's page). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Maybe my issue is I just have a vague distinction in my head between compressing/simplifying/making something less run-on vs. burning it all down. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't encourage "After X/Y/Z" one after another either, this isn't a grade schooler's report on how to make peanut butter and jelly. This should be a well considered, encyclopedic summary. The AG section really is a ''good'' overview. It reads very well.
::::The current SM section practically comes off more as a journal, with an episode title starting basically every paragraph. I understand that it may seem difficult since that's ongoing. It's still subpar; not what we should really want. ...Or, heck, I could be half wrong. Maybe we could try to only have a broad strokes overview of most of the previous/current episodes, but—as it is the ongoing season—perhaps we could try to go into some more specific detail for the latest significant episode (such as, say, Ultra Guardians); but even that should remain as limited as possible, not letting half a dozen episodes' worth of specifics build up at the end of the section. (...I'm not demanding that the SM section change. I'm not part of the anime enough to keep that in check all the time. I'm just emphasizing that there are better things we could do—or will need to do once the series is over, at the very least.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: Been thinking about this, and I think while I understand the way the paragraph beginnings look may not be ideal or sufficiently encyclopedic, I'm not hugely in favour of them being unsourced in any way either (or only sourced as far as "in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}" and so forth, even though the anime more often than not changes regions long-term within the same series). Whether this is on Ash in SM or in already-completed series. I just took "in [episode whatever]" thing as a kind of inelegant stopgap. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 11:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kind of want to hear more opinions in the community before making any decision (I've been editing here a month, and Tiddlywinks by their own admission isn't involved much with anime characters). But for now, on this page I'm going to hold off additional "in [episode]" stuff when adding or changing info until I have a better idea for what's...par, I guess? [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:I would agree with Tiddlywinks on this one. Given Ash is the main protagonist of the whole anime and we will be following him for years to come, our criteria for episode plot inclusion should naturally be much more stricter. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

==SM061==
Why aren't we counting Buzzwole as a fully owned Ash Pokemon? it's with the ones like Pokemon he borrowed and yet he clearly caught it so why don't we have a page with "Ash's Buzzwole". Sure he only had it for 7 seconds but a catch is a catch and I think it should be under released and have a profile of its own. He got a Pokeball, threw it at the Pokemon and caught it. He even did his, I CAUGHT A POKEMON! putting it with random Pokes he's borrowed or made friends with is misleading IMO because he literally caught it[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 03:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:The same reason Seaking is under temporary and not released, he had it for less than an episode. It's not notable for its own article, regardless of it being an Ultra Beast. There's literally nothing more you can add if it were given an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::I don't care too much about the article but more about the placement of the Pokemon on his page.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 05:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:::The entire purpose of the Ultra Guardians is to catch and release Ultra Beasts back to their homeworlds. It was caught by Ash for the Ultra Guardians, not as a new addition to his personal team. It's not his Pokemon nor was it ever meant to be his, so there's no real reason to treat it as such. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

== Released Pokemon ==

As an Ultra Guardian, Ash has caught many ultra beasts that were afterwards released. Why are they not recorded in his released Pokémon section? {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:Read Ataro's comment in the above section. The releasing of Ultra Beasts is not the same as Ash releasing his other Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== Z-Crystals ==

Sorry if this was answered before, I don't see it. But why was the decision to favor "Trials" over "Z-crystals" made. I find it absolutely troubling that NOT all of Ash's Z-Crystals are listed simply because Grand Trials and Trials somehow take precedence. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on Z-crystals in this case OVER trials/grand trials since the Z-crystals are more important from a wikipedia/encyclopedia perspective (at least in my opinion). Granted maybe its simply because the section was about "challenges/tournaments/whatever you want to call them" and that's why. But I definitely don't understand the reasoning behind not putting ALL of Ash's Z-crystals on the page in some fashion. Seems incomplete and inaccurate to me. But that's just my opinion, I primarily just want an explanation for why all the Z-crystals aren't listed only focusing on the ones Ash got from trials/grand trials. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 18:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Shouldn't we add the image of Ash from [[New series]] in the artwork section? {{unsigned|Yash Sonbhurra}}
:We will eventually, there's uncertainty whether this is normal Anime Ash or Movie Reboot Ash. And please remember to end comments with four tildes (~) [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 13:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::Understood most but the movie reboot part. Can you please define? --> [[User:Yash Sonbhurra|『★¥♠§H♂』]] ''([[User talk:Yash Sonbhurra|『†@!K™』]])'' 13:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::: Movies 20 and 21 do not follow the same Ash as the anime, they follow an AU Ash. There's uncertainty because artwork and font is similar to Movie 21 [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 14:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::::For reference, [[Ash Ketchum (M20)]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

== Fan speculation ==

Can someone lock the article so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it? This is due to speculation crackdown. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 17:03, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
:If it becomes a problem, then it will be protected. It doesn't need to be protected yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::I think the protection level should be this:
{| class="wikitable"
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! Action !! Protection level !! Expiry date
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| Edit || Block new users || infinite
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| Move || colspan=2 | ''no change''
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::So, did you understand well? --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 12:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Like I said, there's '''no need''' to protect the page. There is '''no''' problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::::Why are you insisting the article needs to be protected? Nothing's happened so far that would warrant this. Are you just saying it needs to be done as a precaution? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

==Changing Ash's design==
I have tried to update ash's picture to his current design but something went wrong. Can someone fix this? {{unsigned|Dan333}}

:Don't do that yet. The {{series|Sun & Moon}} hasn't ended yet. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

==Orange League==
Why isn't he listed as Champion of the Orange League any more?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

:Not sure, to be honest. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:54, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::The template should be updated to allow multiple champion listings.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 08:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Goodra not technically released... ==

Goodra should be added to "In training" since it was left in the care of another person like Squirtle and Primeape, and Ash has shown the ability to recall Goodra when he wants to.

[[User:Panky..|Panky..]] ([[User talk:Panky..|talk]]) 12:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
:This has been [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6#Why|discussed before]]. Goodra isn't under the care of anyone. Keanan is not the same situation as Anthony, Jenny, or Liza, where those Pokemon joined those trainers to become stronger (hence, In ''training''), Goodra just went back to its home which just happens to be owned by Keanan.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
::However, Ash still has its pokeball as shown in Sun and Moon Episode 1. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 06:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

==Seaking==
[[File:Ash Pokémon Heisei Recap.png|thumb|250px]]
Now that Mimey seems to be considered a Pokémon Ash formally owned/owns, should Seaking be moved from the 'Temporary' section to the 'Released' section? Just like Mimey, it is also included in the ''Heisei History of Pocket Monsters: From Tuesday to Thursday, and Then Sunday'' special, alongside Ash's other Pokémon. Based on the list Seaking is considered to have been one of Ash's Pokémon, rather than just a temporary one. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:52, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Ash's Pokemon Section: Are Greninja, Goodra and Naganadel "Formally Released"? ==

This article mentions Goodra, Greninja and Naganadel as "Formally Released Back Into the Wild".

However,

We never see the release animation like we saw with Butterfree, Pidgeot and Lapras

Both Goodra and Greninja were outside their pokeball when they parted ways

Goodra is literally under the care of the person who is in charge of the swamp

When Ash leaves Greninja with Zygarde, Zygarde says "Greninja will be under my care".

Goodra has comeback after being left in the swamp (like Gliscor and Charizard), it was never recaught.

In the first episode of Sun and Moon, Ash gives 5 pokeballs to oak implying that Ash still owns both Goodra and Greninja

When Naganadel comes back, Ash recalls it to its beast ball instead of recatching it. [Implying he never released it]

But, as we know, Once the Pokémon is released, it is removed from the player's possession and cannot be encountered again.

So stating that Ash has "Formally Released" them back into the wild is not true.

Here is what i think:
Goodra: Should be under the care of Keanan
Greninja: With Zygarde
Naganadel: Its World

They aren't formally released as long as these evidences are not invalidated. {{unsigned|Paree24}}
:The anime constantly changes over the years and the release animation of before is not going to be the same as it is now. And they are also known not to be consistent and forget things.
:And? Doesn't mean they're not released. They could've been released off screen and departed on screen.
:Keagan owns the swamp but is not looking after Goodra. Goodra just went home, it didn't go to Keagan to get stronger. Same with Greninja.
:Games=/=anime. Who says he needs to recatch it if he's already created a close bond with the Pokemon? And who's to say he needs to dispose of the Pokemon's Poke Ball after he's released it? It's all speculation. And Ash has met up with Lapras, so yes, a released Pokemon in the anime can be encountered again. Because the anime is not the game. It has its own rules.
:All three Pokemon returned (or were released) to the wild, they are not being cared for by another trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
::If That is the case, why does the article say "Formally Released Back to the wild" and proceeds to link to a page which defines releasing as per the game definition? Isn't it contradicting what you said? Also Squirtle didn't go to train with Jenny/Make it more stronger, why is it in the training list if thats the case? Both Goodra and Squirtle can be called upon when needed and we have seen it in the anime. Also Squirtle was last seen in Oak's lab with the Squirtle Squad and Jenny wasn't even there/mentioned so how is Goodra different from Squirtle?
::Also by the definition of released according to the linked article, it can be caught by another trainer which is totally not the case if ash still owns them but left them somewhere. So, technically, Butterfree can be caught by another trainer but Greninja/Goodra/Naganadel cannot be since he still owns them. Releasing them offscreen is a speculation and is not fact. Infact the whole Greninja release(in care of zygarde and not released imo) arc took place on screen and there was no involvement of either pokeball/release animation either. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 09:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Dragonite and Mimey ==

I think that Ash's Dragonite and Mimey don't be in "On hand" section, because they are kept in the Sakuragi Institute, this information was confirmed in [[JN011|SS011]].--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Gengar ==

I think that Ash's Gengar maybe is shiny due to they different color.--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Pokemon World Championship ranks? ==

What do you think about adding Ash current Rank in the Pokemon World Championship in the main information section and add possible Rank Changes as a separate column in the Achievement section, with hyperlinks to Episodes in which his Rank changed (Similar to Badges/Frontier Symbols obtained),
e.g.
1.4.6. Pokemon World Championship
1.4.6.1 Normal Rank (< Top 1000)
#3763 - win against Visquez (SS018)

etc. {{unsigned|Lord Godwin}}
: I think that may cause a clutter, it may suit easier to show his End of Season rank once the series is done; badges are finite, rank is continually in flux [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:: At the very least Ash's current rank should be listed (presumably the information box like under trainer class or something listing his PWC rank), that is updated any time it actually updates and we have solid indication what the rank is. So right now somewhere it should say 3763 as of writing this. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 21:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It's probably fine to have it where it's at for now. If it gets too much, as in his rank changes every single episode (which I doubt), then we'll do something different.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

== Article split suggestion ==

It's been months since [[Talk:Ash_Ketchum#Split_suggestion|it was proposed and, seemingly, reached the consensus to]] split this page to exclude all temporary pokémon (including Ride ones), with [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] also starting an [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|userpage]] which would be ready to be added into the Mainspace. My suggestion is to go further than that. Considering Ash is first and foremost an anime character, I think Ash's appearances in other media should be split into another article. I believe Ash is such an important character to deserve this split, and the navigability of the page would be much better.

So my idea is to have:
*Ash Ketchum (including all anime info – History, Character, Pokémon, Achievements, Voice Actors, Artwork and Trivia)
*List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum (info about Temporary and Ride pokémon, which really need to be split into another article)
*Ash Ketchum in other media (including the In the games, In the manga, in the TCG sections)

I think it's time we start to think about the user performance on such pages, as it became impossible to navigate through Ash's page. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:Also, [[Template:Ash's Pokémon]] is nearly unusable. Do we really need to include temporary and ride pokémon there if they don't have a personal page themselves? I would keep only the pokémon with separate pages and the ''Electric Tale'' only ones because of [[Ash's Fearow]] page.--[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::I agree with the page split, as navigating his page is inconvenient. The template, on the other hand, doesn't really need changed.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:::We can easily link the subpage on the bottom of the "Ash's Pokémon" once the page is split. We already do that for [[Template:Team Rocket's Pokémon|Team Rocket]]. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] ([[User talk:Chosen|Talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Exactly, the template could look like below. How many contributions do we need to reach a consensus? Sorry, first time proposing a major change here. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 13:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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:::::After some discussion with staff we decided to split off Ash's temporary/ride Pokemon, as well as his achievement section onto separate pages. I also edited the "Ash's Pokemon" template to remove the temporary/ride Pokémon to make the template less cumbersome on pages as well. The article is still pretty long, but that is partially just because he is such a massive character with a lot of information to cover, so that's kind of going to be expected. However, we can definitely help things by cutting down on unnecessary portions of his history/character sections by summarizing where we can and perhaps using less detail in some places. Thanks again bringing this issue back up again for renewed discussion! '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! Glad I could be helpful. I still think the appearances in other medias could be split into another page too, as they're mostly trivial information. But right now it's already much better. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 08:25, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
A suggestion that I think could be adopted, I saw in Marvel wikis mainly, the following: in the biography of a character like Captain America, a summary by decade and a link that went to a bigger page with the description of that time. Something like a page for Ash's journey in Kanto, Johto, Diamond & Pearl, Unova and co. It was going to help solve a good part of the said space problem. It only left the events that are constantly remembered (ex: Liga Kanto, the Ho-Oh incident, Gary Vs Ash, more or less) and that influence the canon of the character as a whole. Here:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)/Expanded_History
[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:35, 07 April 2020 (UTC)

== Researcher ==

Since both Ash and Goh present themselves as researchers today, is it not worth putting that in their Trainer Class and a paragraph talking more about it in his bio?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 17:14, 07 July 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's physical strength ==

It lists Larvitar and Hippopotas as heavy Pokémon he can lift, but what about Cosmoem, which weighs a whole metric ton, or 1000 kg (and is the heaviest Pokémon, tied with Celesteela)? Or did the writers just forget, not know, or disregard that Cosmoem's weight in the Dex is a metric ton? {{unsigned|ThighFish}}
:The article just lists examples, not an entire catalogue. The rest goes in the [[Anime physics]] article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== "Champion of Alola League" ==

Shouldn't it be listed as Manalo Conference, since Ash is not a champion in the game universe, while Ash is, indeed, the champion only of the Manalo Conference in the anime universe? — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 18:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:He's the Champion of Alola, i.e. the Alola League. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::Alola and Alola League are different, and Manalo Conference has never been referred to as Alola League if I am not mistaken? Even the link directs you to the game details while [[Manalo Conference]] remains unlinked on the template. Which seems off to me. — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 19:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:::It's actually referred to as Alola League in the anime all the time. And League is more than just the League Conference. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::::it also needs to list the orange league, hes the champion of two regions.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 07:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::But...it ''does''... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::no it doesnt, only alola. [https://i.imgur.com/YOsBmja.png screenshot]. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. I thought you were talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum#Championship_matches this section]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::::nah. the infobox needs to be coded to allow two champion listings for ash. right now its only listing one... and its annoying that orange was switced with alola. we had orange listed for what, 15 years? *both* need to be there.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 09:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::That's something for the admins to figure out. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 10:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding Information/Details ==

Hey there! I am new to this site and just wanted to begin by saying how much I enjoy this site. Secondly I was wondering if I could edit this page by adding a bit more detail to it. I'll leave this as an example...please let me know what you think. This covers Ash's journey from when he acquires Pikachu to defeating Brock. Thank you for your time! Gotta Catch em All!

In Pokémon-I Choose You! Ash Ketchum, who lives in a small settlement called Pallet Town, is ten years old which means that he is able to pick a starter Pokémon and begin his journey as a Pokémon Trainer. As Ash sleep the night before he chooses his starter Pokémon, he accidently breaks his alarm clock which causes his to oversleep. Ash hurry’s to reach Professor Oak’s Laboratory, but discovers that all three starter Pokémon have already been chosen by other trainers. Ash asks Oak if he has any other Pokémon left and Oak tells him that he does have one other Pokémon but it is very unusual. Ash tells Oak that he’ll take the Pokémon which is revealed to be the electric-type Pokémon, Pikachu. Ash tries to give his new starter Pokémon a hug, but receives a massive electric shock. As Ash begins his journey, he has to drag Pikachu around with a leash because he refuses to go inside his Pokéball and doesn’t like him at all. Ash releases Pikachu from his leash, but discovers that Pikachu’s attitude hasn’t changed when he commands Pikachu to battle a Pidgey and Pikachu refuses to do so. In frustration Ash throws a rock at what turns out to be Spearow that ends up attacking Ash and Pikachu. Pikachu uses a thunder shock on the Spearow which cause it to cry out, causing a large flock of Spearow to attack Ash and Pikachu. Ash and Pikachu decide to make a run for it but the Spearow catch up to Pikachu and severely injure Pikachu. Ash picks up Pikachu and is forced to jump into a flowing river to escape the Spearow. Ash is on reeled in by a young girl named Misty and Ash “borrows’ her bike so that he can get Pikachu to a Pokémon Center, and because the Spearow have caught back up with him. As Ash pedals as fast as he can but he eventually crashes his bike, not wanting Pikachu to get hurt he tells him to get into a Pokéball and stands in front of the Spearow in order to protect his Pokémon. Seeing that Ash is willing to sacrifice himself to save him, Pikachu leaps into action to save Ash and uses a massive thunder shock attack to defeat the Spearow. It was at this point that Ash and Pikachu formed and extremely strong bond and an unbreakable friendship.

In Pokémon Emergency! Ash arrives at the Pokémon Center in Viridian City and has his Pikachu healed. While waiting for his Pikachu to recover, Misty finds Ash and demands that he get her a new bike after hers was destroyed by Ash. As both of them continue to wait for Pikachu’s recovery the Pokémon Center is attacked by Jessie, James, and a talking Meowth who are part of a criminal organization that steals Pokémon called Team Rocket. Team Rocket is defeated when Pikachu recovers and both he and Ash send Team Rocket blasting off and, after seeing Pikachu’s power, they make it their primary objective to steal him. Ash starts making his way to Pewter City and is followed by Misty, who decides to follow Ash until he gets her a new bike.

In Ash Catches a Pokémon Ash catches his very first Pokémon, a Caterpie. Not long after catching Caterpie Ash also manages to catch a Pidgeotto. Ash’s Caterpie quickly evolves into a Metapod and in Challenge of the Samurai he evolves into a Butterfree.

In Showdown in Pewter City Ash, Misty, and Pikachu arrive at the Pewter City Pokémon Center where Ash notices a poster promoting a tournament called the Pokémon League Championship and decides to join. However, Misty points out that before he can enter he need to defeat eight Pokémon Gym Leaders and earn a Gym Badge from each as proof of his victory. Ash goes to the Pewter City Gym and challenges its Gym Leader, Brock, to a Pokémon battle.

Ash begins the match with Pikachu while Brock starts off with Onix. Pikachu is quickly defeated when Onix uses a bind attack, and Ash forfeits the match when he sees Pikachu in pain. As Ash leaves the gym, he is approached by a man named Flint who tells him that he may be able to defeat Brock if he super-charges his Pikachu. Flint leads Ash to a hydroelectric plant, where Flint hooks up a generator to the electric sacs in Pikachu’s cheeks. Ash runs on the large water wheel to generate electricity until the generator overloads and Pikachu’s electricity lights up the night sky.

The next day, Ash returns to the Pewter City Gym and challenges Brock to a rematch. Brock starts off with Geodude, while Ash sends out Pidgeotto. However, the normal and flying-type Pokémon cannot hurt Geodude, and is knocked out. Ash recalls it and sends out Pikachu.

Ash has Pikachu perform a thunder shock attack, which easily knocks out Geodude. Brock recalls his Geodude and sends out Onix. Pikachu once again performs a thunder shock attack, but due to him being afraid he doesn’t aim his attack and damages the gym instead of Onix. Onix wraps Pikachu with its bind attack and Pikachu counters with his new thunderbolt attack, which manages to inflict pain on Onix. As Pikachu is on the verge of passing out, Brock calls of his Onix as he doesn’t want to harm Ash’s Pikachu. However, Ash protests this decision, as he wants to finish the battle. Suddenly, the gym’s sprinklers are set off due to the damage Pikachu’s thunder shock had caused earlier. As water sprays over Onix, Misty reminds Ash that rock-type Pokémon are weak against water. Seizing the opportunity, Ash has Pikachu perform a thunderbolt attack, which brings Onix one attack away from defeat. Ash was about to command Pikachu to finish Onix off, but Brock's brothers and sisters all crowd Ash and beg him to stop. Brock orders his siblings to not get involved, but Ash recalls his Pikachu. Ash explains that if he defeated Brock now, it would only be because of the sprinklers being set off. He decides he wants to win his Badge fair and square. As Ash leaves the gym he is approached by Brock who hands him the Boulder Badge, stating that Ash defeated him in battle and in being kind to Pokémon. Brock asks Ash to fulfill his dream to travel the world, but Flint arrives and reveals himself to be Brock’s father. Flint tells Brock to travel with Ash and he will take care of his siblings, and Brock joins Ash on his journey. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 02:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
:While we appreciate the effort, the issue with the main character pages especially is they start to get quite long (as evidenced already by this page) and a lot of the information is essentially already on the episode pages, so we try to only list significant events to the characters themselves on their pages, unlike Characters of the day who can afford to have more in depth information due to their single episode appearances. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 11:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:Completely understandable! Just thought I'd offer. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 14:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

== Pokémon Masters EX ==

Ash & Pikachu:
* Weakness: Ground
* Known moves (as I've seen): Electroweb, X Accuracy, Iron Tail, Thunderbolt, Quick Attack, and Dire Hit +
* Sync move: Sync Move (It just say "Sync Move")
[[User:ReignBough|ReignBough]] ([[User talk:ReignBough|talk]]) 02:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Page split by media ==

I've been noticing that this page is getting exaggeratedly huge. And with that I've been thinking, otherwise it would be better to share her content by media, and we left here essentially only what refers to the anime.

For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. And within it, other links that would lead to the detailed pages of each counterpart.

To make it clearer, something like this here.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane_in_other_media
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man#In_other_media

Since Bulbapedia uses the Wikipedia system more than Wikias in general, I think it's a more valid system to adopt. Ash's base page suffers a lot from the lack of pattern between some images (for example, the version of the Journeys manga doesn't have all the images of the Pokémon in this manga yet) and put it like this, we can work with each counterpart in an isolated way, it was even one of the reasons I created a page for Ash from the Pokémon Journeys Manga and I think both the Ash and Pikachu version and the Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl manga could benefit from that. Anyway, is there any opinion on this?--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC))

I mean the page is stupidly long, it'd be beneficial to split it up. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 00:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

== All of Ash's official Pokemon in ownership order ==

I've seen that Ash's Lapras is supposed to be his "thirteenth" official Pokémon, but I couldn't seem to find the "twelfth". Could somebody please give me a full list in release order? [[User:MrWii000|MrWii000]] ([[User talk:MrWii000|talk]]) 22:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
:Mr. Mime is the twelfth. Check this [[User:Satsjoe/Ash's Pokémon History|page]] if you want to count for yourself. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 22:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

==Ash splitting into multiple pages discussion==
So it says that it is suggested that this article should be split into multiple. So I thought, well, how about making an Ash for each anime season?
Example: we xould make on page that has all the info on Ash in The first anime, titled Ash (Indigo League), as well as one for the Johto anime, titled Ash (Johto Journeys), and one for the Hoenn anime, titled Ash (Advanced) and you get the picture. So if there are any mods /admins who see this, be sure to talk about it and discuss your opinions on this. Thanks, [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 22:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
:Honestly, I don't even feel like it's necessary to split it anymore because we know they are retiring Ash as the main character. Also, I don't really like the idea of having each anime season of Ash being a different page. Maybe one page for his manga variant, one for his anime variant and one for his game variant, but I feel like everything pertaining to anime Ash should be on a single page. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 03:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
::Splitting by series seems confusing and unnecessary, yeah. Splitting by media would be better. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 07:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Agreed, splitting by media sounds like the better option. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 10:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Metagross (Pokémon)

2022-12-13T09:46:16Z

Animaltamer7: please don't reply to something from over two years ago...

why is there no gen IV tm data for this pokemon?
~Reaper0fAnguish

Because We haven't put it there yet. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 04:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== See like a wha? ==

"''Metagross can see like a computer as well.''"

Erh...may I request this be reworded. --[[User:Riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]] 09:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:Has been done. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== PokeDex ==

What happened to the D/P/Pl entries? '''[[User:SharKing|SharKing]] [[User talk:SharKing|Productions]]''' 18:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:A slight error in the parameter caused it to disappear, it's fixed now. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 18:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia section ==

I removed the part about Metagross being the fastest non-legendary steel-type. That award goes to Lucario. {{unsigned|Bogmire}}

== Wild ==

According to the page for Giant Hole in Isshu, it apparently states that Wild Metagross can be found in shaking grass spots, though extremely rarely. Would that be an interesting bit of trivia since it's the only Psuedo-Legend FINAL evolution to be found in the wild? Or did they sneak in wild Salamence or Garchomp intoshaking grass spots as well? I know we've had Metang and Shelgon appear in HG/SS but a wild Metagross is an even bigger notice given how it's the final stage of a Psuedo-Legendary as I already mentioned (Apparently Kenhorou and Mamoswine can be found in the same way, with the latter in the same area as the wild Metagross.....). [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Dragonite and Tyranitar can also be found in the wild in B/W. As can many other evolved forms, I'd say a vast majority of old Pokemon found in Isshu are in their final forms. [[User:Empoleon9|Empoleon9]] 21:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Rain Dance ==

Is it worth mentioning the Metagross can learn Rain Dance by TM despite not being able to learn any moves that are affected in any way by rain and not having any connection to water or dancing? It seems sort of strange to me. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 23:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
:Probably not, since there are tons of other Pokémon that have the same issue. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Most Loops? ==

It says in this article that Metagross requires the most loops in Pokémon Ranger. In another article, it says Psyduck requires the most loops to be captured. Someone needs to fix this.--[[User:Chosenwaffle668|Chosenwaffle668]] 23:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mega official artwork ==

http://imgur.com/a05bKa2

[[User:JovianWalker|JovianWalker]] ([[User talk:JovianWalker|talk]]) 14:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC) JoivanWalker

== New Trivia Fact ==

"Metagross is the heaviest Pokémon that can Mega Evolve, and Mega Metagross is the heaviest Mega Evolution."

Formerly was Aggron. {{unsigned|SoldiersOfFilth}}

== gen 6 TM information ==

here is the list of gen 6 TM and HM that metagross can learn but i am unable to edit them onto the page so i decided to put the list here so someone who can edit it in can do so.

TM01 Hone Claws
TM03 Psyshock
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM26 Earthquake
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM31 Brick Break
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM36 Sludge Bomb
TM37 Sandstorm
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aeriel Ace
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM64 Explosion
TM68 Giga Impact
TM69 Rock Polish
Tm70 Flash
TM74 Gyro Ball
TM77 Psych Up
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM86 Grass Knot
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM94 Rock Smash
TM98 Power-Up Punch
TM100 Confide
HM01 Cut
HM04 Strength

[[User:Plurple|Plurple]] ([[User talk:Plurple|talk]]) 15:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

== Light Metal Trivia ==

" Due to the way damage is calculated for Grass Knot and Low Kick, Metagross will take the same amount of damage from these moves with or without its Hidden Ability, Light Metal."
Umm, anyone have any insight as to why this is true, and why its only listed in the trivia for metagross, and not any of the other pokemon with light metal as an ability? [[User:Robertodole|Robertodole]] ([[User talk:Robertodole|talk]]) 10:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:It's only noted on Metagross's page because it's only true for Metagross, it's not some Light Metal glitch or anything. If you check the pages for {{m|Grass Knot}}/{{m|Low Kick}}, you'll see they reach their max power at 440.9 lbs, and Metagross is so heavy that even after halving its weight it's still above that amount.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 12:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== SSBWU PAL Trophy Description ==

Is that typo [sic] or was that a transcription error? "You'd better hope your far away" is what it currently says, while it should be "you're." [[User:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|- Xelrog T. Apocalypse]] ([[User talk:Xelrog T. Apocalypse|talk]]) 18:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

== Metagross Triva ==

With the release of Hisuian Goodra, the section of Trivia regarding Metagross being unique due to its typing and resistances is now outdated.{{Unsigned|ImperaXIII}}

==Light Metal Trivia==
What is true about this statement is that Light Metal doesn't affect the base power of the opponent's Low Kick/Grass Knot.
What isn't true is that Metagross takes the same amount of damage from Low Kick and Grass Knot. Low Kick deals normal damage while Grass Knot is not very effective.

So, the statement above should be adjusted to say something like "Due to the way damage is calculated for Grass Knot and Low Kick, the base power for those moves used against Metagross is the same with or without its Hidden Ability, Light Metal."
[[User:Geforcefly|Geforcefly]] ([[User talk:Geforcefly|talk]]) 00:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary trio

2022-12-02T14:44:19Z

Animaltamer7: /* Legends of Galar Trio status? */

==Ideas==
Here are some ideas: 

-Possibly better names for the [[lake trio|lake]] and [[weather trio]]s and [[Dialga]]/[[Palkia]]/[[Giratina]] (note that each of these guys have a similar look like all trios [these have a similar mouth] and share a naming system [like all trios except the weather trio]): Legendary fairies (maybe pixies/sprites/spirits?), legendary ancients, and legendary dragons (or something that involves dimensions). 

-I agree with several articles saying [[Rayquaza]] is the internal leader/mediator of the weather trio, especially since it is more powerful that the other 2. 

-I think maybe [[Arceus]] can be considered the leader of both the fairies and dragons. This would fit since it is so powerful. 

-I don't think the weather/dimensional trios can be considered true trios, since they break some patterns (Weather - not all are equally powerful; internal leadership; don't share a naming system; they look similar but are not in the same, say, "family"; while other trios would typically share the same stance (flying, all fours, bipedal, etc.), these do not; Dimensional - not all together in 'dex listings; stance thing). Also, perhaps one could say each has a legendary that sort of opposes what they represent? The weather trio all represent a part of the Earth, whereas [[Deoxys]] is an extra-terrestrial being, and the dimensional trio each represent a dimension of reality, whereas [[Darkrai]] represents dreams. So perhaps these guys can be seen as "leader" (well, antithesis) to these trios. 

Sorry for the OR. ^^; --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 21:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merging the trio pages ==

I think all of the trio pages should be merged into this article. Most are very short and would fit under their own headings in this article. At the very least, [[trio master]] should be merged with this article. Thoughts? --[[User:Momru|Momru]] 16:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was just going to suggest this. It sounds like a great idea. Whoo for extremely late replies. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings ==

;Celebi (Prayer)
;Jirachi (Wish)
*This is also hinted at when Jirachi replaced Celebi on the bonus disc; Celebi's wish-granting seems to be the benevolent kind that gods do, Jirachi's seem to be the literal, malevolent kind that demons/genies do

;Shaymin (Nature)
;Rotom (Technology)

;Regigigas (Pangaea)
;Manaphy (Panlassa)
*Phione is servant to Manaphy

;Deoxys (DNA/Space)
;Heatran (Magma/Earth)

::Rotom is not a Legendary, though... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::It does have the music, and you can only catch one in an event battle. Plus, Manaphy/Phione is also in the genderless egg group. I don't know, it just seems to be set up as an opposite pretty well.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Music doesn't make the legendary. Otherwise Cresselia and Shaymin wouldn't be legendary. Besides, Rotom doesn't represent technology, it pretty much destroys it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::True, but that also means that not all legendaries must appear in the exact same circumstances, and Rotom still has the traditional "legendary pokemon" theme. While Rotom may corrupt technology, it is still drawn to it - just like how Lugia is drawn to the sea, while its duty in the movie is to depower it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

::::You can get snorlax and the red gyarados in a special way like you do with legendaries and they are not legendary at all. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Hey, has anyone noticed how the trio pics on this site are (no offense) COMPLETELY PATHETIC?!?! I say someone ask Aragornbird (the webmaster on Arkeis.com) to make some trio pics. Those things are terrible! {{User|Giratina's Embodiment}}
:Official artwork is preferable to fan art. We get less edit wars that way. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I still say we should call in aragornbird, his pics are awsome. Please don't say 'if you think FAW is so good, you draw pics yourself', because I can barely draw Ditto. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Other Possible Groupings Part II ==

I think you should extend those to full trio ideas, rather than just duo such. I would do at least one:
Mew/Celebi/Jirachi ('Cute' trio)
Also, while we're on the talk of 'cute' legends, I agree with whoever in Terminia put up a Manaphy/Phione pair on the duos page. I need to get to that right now. What in the name of Majora put brains in that guy? (Sorry, that's a compliment). [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 23:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:...Do you have proof of such?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== No Merge on my lands! ==

'''NO''' merging the trio pages on my watch. Although I agree with merging the Legendary Trio and Trio Master pages. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pics Part II ==

Okay, I have an idea. I'm gonna talk to aragornbird, and if he agrees, how about we ''add'' the pics rather than changed to them? Because I think those pics are awesome, but agree with Fabu-Vinny; it'll prevent unnessasary edit wars. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Naming Ideas ==

I think that these trios ''need better names!'' for example;
G/K/R: Wheather Trio? Bad Name. Mabye change to Legendary Earthmasters? Or Super-Ancients, I like that one.
U/M/A: Lake Trio? Again, bad name. Try Lake Spirits, or Legendary Spirits.
D/P/G: Dragon Trio? Not to bad, but I like that Universal Trio one. Or Legendary Universals.
[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:We don't name them....'''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point, but could we at least throw in alternate names for them, like (using dragon trio as example)

Dragon trio is the term used to describe the trio of Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. They are also known as the Universal Trio.

Or something like that. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 20:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:If you made up that name, and not another professional website, then no. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 20:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine then. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 21:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

All of those names are terrible. Earthmasters? Kyogre lives in the Ocean and Rayquaza in the sky. Why would we even include fan names? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Can it, Sketch. I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing.
:You shouldn't talk to Sketch like that, he's an admin. Plus he does have a point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you not hear what I ''just said?!'' I ain't called Giratina's Embodiment for nothing. My master just has a little trouble with the keyboard. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Riiight. Still, fan made names shouldn't be used. This is an encyclopedia, and we don't use them here, it was what my point and Sketch's point. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 17:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. I'm just gonna specify what my names meant.

Earthmasters: This trio controls the condition of the Earth. Super-Ancients: They are ancient Pokémon.

Lake Spirits: This trio's member's all live in lakes in all games they appear in, and M/A are seen as spirits in the anime. Legendary Spirits: latter of previous explanation.

Universal Trio: This trio may as well control the universe. Legendary Universals: Exact same thing. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 22:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

== Is it a coincidence? ==

That the birds, beasts, and lake trio's have a similar color scheme. Red/pink(Mespirit), Blue, and Yellow.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

: No, I think that was planed [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
::Is it worth mentioning?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::RBY is a very common color scheme, especially when they are reusing the same types. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== "Muskadeers"? ==

I belive a mention is the least they can have; they behave exactly like the trios of older generations, with 580 BST and their avaliability. Keldeo acts in some ways like a trio master, rather that making a quartet, and is an event Pokemon on top of that. Also, it is d'Artagnan and the Three Muskateers, not The Four Muskateers, keep that in mind.

As for the Fuijin/Raijin trio, Landros has a higher BST that Tornaros and Voltros, and acts in some ways similar to a trio master. Both of the traditional 580 trios in Gen V are unorthodox, but they deserve a mention at least.

I would argue about making a mention of Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh having a relationship similar to that of trios like the Dragon one, but not being a real trio due to their origins being quite different, and the only relation between Mewtwo and the birds being on a statistical level.
[[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 02:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Energy Dragons ==

Shouldn't the energy dragons be under mascot trios?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 11:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Is the third one a version mascot? No. So obviously no.--''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Not YET, I would say, but it is obvious, give it 2 years. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I think calling it uncategorised could confuse people who come to the page. While not all 3 of them are mascots it can be assumed that Kyurem will be the mascot for the 3rd version, though assumption isn't good enough to list it as so. However if Kyurem isn't the mascot then it would be listed as a normal trio which would confuse some who would think otherwise. I think the problem is that a Mascot trio hasn't been properly defined. Is it where all 3 members are mascots? In which has while Kyurem may be a mascot in the future for now it isn't and thus the Energy Dragons aren't (at the moment) as mascot trio. Is it where the majority (two thirds) are mascots? In which case even while Kyurem isn't a mascot the trio has enough mascot members to count as a mascot trio. [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] 12:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trio Names ==

Any reason that the trio names are somewhat inconsistent?

:'''We have:'''

::*The Legendary Birds, Beasts, and Golems.

::*Then the Lake Guardians.

::*And then the Musketeer, Kami, Weather, Creation, Tao trio.

----
Clearly this is inconsistent, and I think some changes should and can be made. The Birds, Beasts, and Golems are fine. The term, "Lake Guardians", is canon. (in the anime) Musketeer trio seems a bit biased since they are NOT the musketeers, just BASED off the three Musketeers, however the name will work for now unless an official name is released, however I would prefer Legendary musketeers over Musketeer trio. Same goes for Kami trio, and if agreed upon, I think it should change to "Legendary kami" as well, considering they are all based off kami. Tao trio is.. awful. I don't think a trio should be named after an entire religion. If anything else, Balance trio would be better, but to be consistent, Balance dragons would work as well.
----

:'''This would leave us with:'''

::*Legendary Birds.

::*Legendary Beasts.

::*Legendary Golems.

::*Lake Guardians.

::*Legendary Musketeers.

::*Legendary Kami.

::*Balance Trio or Balance Dragons. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:54, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, this is your preference. ...You also forgot the Weather trio and the Creation trio. What, okay, you'd make it the Creation dragons. Good luck on the Weather.
:Their names have never been about "consistency". This is about '''what people call them''' collectively, and giving them something to be called under. Obviously none of these names are official by far (save the Lake trio's), but uniformity is silly. By the way, no one's probably going to get "Balance" since you need to understand what they're a balance of before you get why. Which is why Tao makes tons more sense...and it's hella shorter. And if you can make something shorter in this fandom, people will prefer it. ...You can't call them the "Legendary Kami", anyway. Kami as gods are legendary in their own right, so redundancy is redundant. ...You also argue that calling them Musketeers is biased, since they're based on them, not are them. Then "Kami" is biased, too, since they're based on gods, not are them. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::"Same goes for Kami trio", Yeah, I know that Kami is biased. Anyway, you make valid points. I still hate Tao Trio, [And the fact that people will pronounce it "Tay-oh" (rhymes with Mayo) when it is actually "Dow" (rhymes with Cow)] but I understand what you are saying. I wish they'd just give these trios canon names. :P --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I've been using Dimension Trio for Dia/Pal/Gira since DP. Makes sense doesn't it? :/ Creation Trio is taking it too far.
Unless we see another trio of dragons, Legendary Dragons is the simple solution (unlike the Dimension trio, these are actually referred to (all the time too) as dragons. Also note that their first types are Dragon, unlike the case for the Dimension trio which have it as the extra type.). --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Musketeers' status as a trio ==

While the Musketeers are currently listed as a quartet, the release of [[M15]] may change Keldeo's status from "unofficial quartet member" to "trio master" due to the other three appearing in the film as well. Speaking of which, why did we decide Keldeo was a normal member in the first place? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 00:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The musketeers are not on here?? If it's because of Keldeo, how comes no one insisted on taking off the golems when Regigigas came around in DP I wonder... well because they're still a trio obviously. Same applies for the musketeers. Golems got a master, musketeers got an apprentice. These are not equal members of the group.

Then there is the Weather and Kami trio. When there is 2 contrasting members, perfect counterparts in every possible way, but there is also a third similar pokemon but superior in several aspects.. does that really still count as a trio? Wouldn't that just make them a duo with a master?

I'm just asking for consistency here. On one hand regis are a trio with a master but at the same time, the weather guys are a trio,
when actually, both are made up of a smaller group and a master.....

Also the Tao trio is rushed. Unless Kyurem turns into a proper third member (we know it has 2 formes but that doesn't help this case so far), it's actually the duos opposite. Reshiram and Zekrom are about energy, they have tails resembling a generator and torch, while Kyurem has nothing attached to it (well, imitations in formes soon) looking like a plug, and is covered in actual ice, which fits with it having no energy source. So we can only guess for now till June, but it seems really obvious that whatever happens to it, it won't suddenly become a true "legendary dragon of Unova", which is what the duo is called throughout the games. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Know what? There should simply be a single page about groups of legendary pokemon...--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 10:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
: The Musketeers were on the page but were apparently dropped... by an Administrator, but with no explanation or (if this talk page is any indication) apparent consensus. Fourth member or no, I'd say the Musketeers are far more in line with the birds/beasts/golems/faeries than the Kamis are - as far as in-game roles go, the Kamis function far more like Lati@s with a third member. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 03:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

::Until we know more about Keldeo and its role in the group (which is most likely to be revealed in the movie), the [[Legendary Musketeers]] will stay put.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
::: I wasn't aware we made choices regarding concepts from the games based on content from the movies. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 01:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Couldn't agree more on your upper comment HeroicJay. If the musketeers are a quartet and the kamis are a trio, then the regis are a quartet by all means. Except that everyone knows they're a trio with a master. Might as well make the beasts and Ho-oh a quartet /sarcasm. The movie might as well tell us the musketeers are a quintet with Shuckle, but I don't think it would make a good amount of sense to classify them as such because of it... They don't design the pokemon, they don't choose their background and concepts and they make up loads of stuff for the anime that would never happen in the games.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 19:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you've seen the ingame event in BW that Keldeo triggers:
"Long ago, a fire started in the Moor of Icirrus because of a war among people. In this fire, Keldeo was separated from its parents, but together, Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion took care of Keldeo. They acted as its parents, and they taught it knowledge and moves for survival. '''Keldeo eventually grew and even surpassed the three Pokémon.''' One day, Keldeo took off from the forest with no one knowing why.
When the three meet again, they teach Keldeo the move Secret Sword."
Clearly it's not a normal member of the group.
Plot-wise
Concept-wise
Special move
Its an event pokemon for crying out loud.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 20:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

== Legendary group pages are a mess ==

I find it hard to believe that no one else thinks there's an embarrassing amount of inconsistency throughout pages like this one, trio masters, along with the individual group ones.
Here's an attempt at the topic with an actual structure: {{u|Saiph charon|ignore the eeveelutions bit}}--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kalos Trio soon to be... ==

Since only X and Y have come out, the Kalos trio has been placed under the Normal Legendary Trio category...at least until Z or whatever comes out. All members of the trio must be a mascot for their games before they get the honor of being called Mascot Legendary Trios.

Also 'Kalos Trio' is only a place holder until the official name is adopted. From what I am seeing.... Ragnarok Trio, Yggdrasil Trio, Norse Trio, Circle of Life Trio or possibly Cartesian Trio are plausible candidates for this honor.

Once a name is adopted, and its decided rather or not the newest trio will be Mascot Legendary Trio, the info on the page can be changed. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

:So why were these guys moved to the duo page? Considering this is all just fan wankery to begin with it seems absolutely absurd that we need to "wait until Z comes out so it's official" in order to apply a silly fan term to something that's obviously consistent with the trios from every generation since III. [[User:Snorlax69|Snorlax69]] ([[User talk:Snorlax69|talk]]) 18:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

::Regardless of what you do in regards to them, I don't really think you need a Pokemon Z to justify classifying them as a trio. Their names alone make it very clear with the X, Y, Z thing. And you definitely shouldn't have this "Every core series version mascot since Suicune, excluding the mascots of remakes and X and Y, has been part of a legendary trio" as a trivia thing because it's very clear that Xerneas and Yveltal are part of a trio with Zygarde. [[User:MegaNerd18|MegaNerd18]] ([[User talk:MegaNerd18|talk]]) 18:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yeah... while considering the Trio a "normal" one (as opposed to a "mascot" one) until Pokémon Z or its equivalent is announced makes some sense (given that the possibility exists for the third version to be cancelled or whatnot), removing the trio entirely (or simply considering it a duo) seems like overkill. Zygarde shares many traits with Xerneas and Yveltal (including the pattern of its moveset, a defining feature of past trios) and its Aura Break ability strongly suggests that it's meant to correspond to Xerneas and Yveltal similarly to how Rayquaza corresponds to Groudon and Kyogre. It has many hallmarks of the third member of a trio, so I don't see why it should be excluded. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
::::There needs to be direct evidence in the game or anime before we will consider Zygarde part of a trio. This should really come as no surprise, this is exactly what we did for Giratina and Kyurem, we waited until their was in game evidence to support that they were part of their trio. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not trying sound off topic Force Fire, but by that logic Meloetta should be the Trio Master for the Kami Trio since its involvement in the Trio's transformation in the anime indicates it holds power over them. However, my attempts a few years ago to bring that into light were largely ignored, and the anime evidence was thrown out since "It wasn't like that in the games"

So when does anime cannon and game cannon hold influence on titles such as Duo, Trio and Trio Master? Because if I remember, the legendary bird trio and Lugia are all given their titles of trio and trio master based primarily on the second Pokémon Movie. If the anime holds any power over a set of Pokémon being called either a duo or a trio, or a Pokémon crowned a Trio Master, then by all logic we need to change both the Meloetta and Kami Trio articles to reflect Meloetta's rule over the Kami Trio.

Again, I'm not trying to sound off topic. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:As a general rule of thumb, the games takes precedence over the anime unless the games doesn't state otherwise (as with Lugia and the legendary birds and also the naming of the Force of Nature). Regarding Meloetta, it knew a song that could open up a temple that held the reveal glass, that was all. It calmed down the trio, yes, but that's because that's what Meloetta does, calm Pokémon down.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

::Could have worn Meloetta was more involved in the actual transformation. Oh well, given the circumstances, I don't see why we can't wait another year or so for the next game(s) that will likely shed light on their relationship, if any, with Zygarde. The Mortality Duo will just have to be a duo a little while longer. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Nouns or proper nouns ==

Are Legendary trio nouns or proper nouns, so prior to Generation VI, it was named legendary trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 23:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:A proper noun is a name, i.e. Bulbasaur which means the name should always be capitalized. "legendary" is not a name, it's a group name, i.e. dog, meaning it's not a proper noun. Therefore it is only capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=2040375&oldid=2039733 Legendary] is a proper term now, so it should be capped for Legendary Pokémon, and as a proper term, Legendary should be capped in "Legendary trio". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

== "Mortality Trio" ==

I modified the Mascot Trio section in anticipation of Zygarde being added to the Mortality Duo, making it a Mortality Trio. If/When this is confirmed, please add the modifications to the actual page.

Also note that I changed the color of the text to be each type's respective dark color to fit in with Bulbadepia standards. --[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; margin:auto; width:auto; background: #272727; border: 4px solid #525252"
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | {{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Mascot trios}}
|-
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}" |[[File:383Groudon.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Groudon|{{ground color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:382Kyogre.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyogre|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:384Rayquaza.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Rayquaza|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Weather trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" |[[File:483Dialga.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Dialga|{{steel color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" |[[File:484Palkia.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Palkia|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" |[[File:487Giratina-Origin.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Giratina|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Creation trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" |[[File:643Reshiram.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Reshiram|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}" |[[File:644Zekrom.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zekrom|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}" |[[File:646Kyurem.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Kyurem|{{ice color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color2|{{cynthia color dark}}|Tao trio}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" |[[File:716Xerneas.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Xerneas|{{fairy color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" |[[File:717Yveltal.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Yveltal|{{dark color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}" |[[File:718Zygarde.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Zygarde|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" |{{color|{{cynthia color dark}}|Aura trio|Mortality trio}}
|-
|}

== Mortality Trio, yet again ==
Quick question here: Why hasn't this been added to the page yet? It's all too obvious, even the shows season has a subtitle of X(erneas)Y(veltal)Z(ygarde). Of course without the names though...[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 05:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

:Well, again it's still not confirmed completely, they've just put <strike>obvious</strike> ''subtle'' hints that they are, once it's outright confirmed then it will be added.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::The problem with that is that the only way they'd be able to do that now is through the tv show. Gen 7 is coming up now, and Nintendo isn't gonna go and add in a random piece of info like that. Actually, that thinking doesn't even make sense. They have never come out and stated that "these three form a trio." It's just always heavily implied because they usually share common themes. Again: Every trio listed on the page has never been confirmed to exist, they're all just pairings from fans like us with strong evidence to support it. Also, it makes more sense to call them the Yggdrasil Trio, as they are all based on Nordic mythology. [[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 07:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::They could connect them via Gen VII, Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan weren't related until Gen II, so anything can happen. The previous trios were outright confirmed, Giratina was made at the same time Dialga and Palkia were born, Kyurem is the shell of the original dragon (which Reshiram and Zekrom are split from, further hammered in by the combined forms), the Regi's shaped the continent (and their connection is further hammered in by Regigigas), the Beast trio where revived by Ho-oh, and the second movie explains the bird trio (I believe).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Alright, but what happens if they just don't confirm it? What happens if they leave it off as heavily implied? Also, I'd like to point out that Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have Hex IDs that come right after each other, AND Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original batch that were created, but we're not put into the original games due to limitations.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 08:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::If they don't confirm it, then nothing happens. They would just be left separated. Where's your source that Tyrogue and Hitmontop were part of the original 190? The index list only has those past Scizor to fill in the blanks, it doesn't indicate anything.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I stumbled across this on the official trading card website when I was researching more about he topic. I don't know if it helps, but I'd like to paste it here and see if it's useful: http://xy10.pokemontcgxy.com/en-us/legendary.php.[[User:Dohvahkiin|Dohvahkiin]] ([[User talk:Dohvahkiin|talk]]) 09:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That just groups them together, it doesn't shed light on ''how'' they're related.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

== Gen VI Trio ==

I think it is pretty certain by now that gen VI and now VII broke the template and deviated from the path the other games took. With that said, I think there was enough evidence provided in the SS036 episode to verify that Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde are all related under an environmental theme. So I purpose we amend the article to include them under Aura Trio, Eco Trio/Environment trio or XYZ Trio. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life." Which is pretty compelling.

:I say Aura Trio or Order Trio for the name, preferably Aura Trio. Mortality Trio doesn't make sense with Zygarde, and the Pokémon community calls it mostly by the Aura Trio. But then again, we have chosen fan names in the past over another fan name that is more widely used... --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::I messaged ForceFire yesterday morning, but haven't gotten a response <s>even though I know he/she has been online because of response to other messages</s>. I'm going to link to this discussion on the Zygarde page, and perhaps with another moderator. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well Mortality was only a placeholder for the Mortality Duo until another fan name was adopted for the two or they were turned into a trio. it was only meant for those two and not meant to apply to a trio. In fact in the earlier days most people had issue with the term "mortality" mistaking it to mean 100% death instead of both life and death. As for the trio, I am leaning more towards Aura Trio since the side game like Pokemon Rumble World make reference to it. That's as cannon as you can get. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, we can't really do anything until we get a response. It's been three days since I notified ForceFire. I tried talking to Tiddlywinks and he said that it wasn't his specialty but he'd let ForceFire know. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay. The SS036 basis for calling them a trio is good. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Cool, I'll add it. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Now that we're considering them a trio, what should be the name we use for them? Since this isn't the only page affected by the change, I was going to start updating others, like [[Legendary Pokémon]] and [[aura trio|mortality duo]], but I realized I can't do a whole lot without knowing our preferred name for the trio (even if it's something as clunky as "mortality duo and Zygarde"). What name should we be using now? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Since there's not really an official name I think we should be going by what the fans use most, but I'm not sure what that is. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::We should just keep it as Aura Trio, since it is being used in Rumble, and the 3 abilities all contain aura. The other fan names are not really as common. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 06:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Aura Trio is fine, it's somewhat/semi official if it was used in Rumble.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Now there is the matter of the article stating all trios have a master. I doubt a general consensus has been reached as to if Zygarde is a master of the trio or not. Everyone was adamant in waiting for a third gen VI game to confirm anything but we got gen VII and in the Moon pokedex entry for Zygarde 100% it states "This is Zygarde's 100% form. It has enough power to overwhelm even Xerneas or Yveltal." and given its Aura Break ability and the fact it was sought out by Blue in the manga to put an end to Xerneas and Yveltal's battle. if these three things are not enough for it to be dubbd a master, then the article should be amended to have the statement about masters removed or reworded.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 18:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== We could add the Legendary Quartet page? ==

Now we have the Musketeers and the Guardian Deities, we could add a page named Legendary Quartet? [[User:Pika fanatic|Pika fanatic]] ([[User talk:Pika fanatic|talk]]) 00:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
:Honestly, a page for two groups seems a little bit excessive to me. Duos and trios at least have been a precedent in Pokemon for a while. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ultra Necrozma ==
Since Ultra Necrozma now has a Base Stat Total well over 600, is considered a Legendary Pokémon, and is not part of a legendary trio, should the trivia about Mewtwo at the bottom of this page be removed? Also, if it's not removed, at least make a reference to the fact that other Legendary Pokémon can achieve higher BSTs with form changes. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 02:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

== Tapus ==

I feel that the Tapus (Guardian Deities) should have at least a small mention on the page, possibly about how they take the place of a secondary legendary trio in Gen VII? [[User:Pseudonym|Pseudonym]] ([[User talk:Pseudonym|talk]]) 19:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
:They're not a trio, simple as that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::Honestly, for me at least, this brings up a bigger point... why don't we just combine the pages for trios and duos, and then include the Tapus, and the Swords of Justice while we're at it, and call it "Legendary groupings" or something? IMO there's nothing intrinsically special about trios and duos that they should be separated from each other, or from the two other groupings I listed. It seems to me like a weird and unnecessary distinction, especially when there are some noteworthy and functionally similar Pokemon left out. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 17:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree with this. It would condense the info into an easier form, and we could repurpose the duo and trio pages into redirects [[User:Pseudonym|Pseudonym]] ([[User talk:Pseudonym|talk]]) 19:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Celadonkey, you answered your question about why there's a page for duos and trios a couple of sections above. Duos and trios are a common trend in the franchise, hence they get articles. Quartets, or bigger, have only happened twice (I believe?), so they're not that notable. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a page about legendary groupings.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

== Removing Legendary Titans ==

Since {{p|Regieleki}} and {{p|Regidrago}} have been announced, should the Legendary Titans be removed from this page? They are no longer a trio but a quintet. [[User Ratboy Jr.|Ratboy Jr.]] ([[User talk:Ratboy Jr.|talk]]) 20:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
:Sad to see them (sortof) go, but in hindsight, I think moving the Regi trio (and now the Forces of Nature trio as well) to "Former trios" status was the right call. --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]]) 11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC

== Galarian Legendary birds ==

Should the Regional Form version of Legendary Birds be added to the Legendary Trio Page or not?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 04:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:The Legendary birds are already here. It's the same trio, just different forms. --[[User:Celadonkey|celadonk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I dunno, this situation is precedent-setting and I happen to disagree. Beyond their aesthetic and competitive differences from the original Kanto trio, I think listing the Galarian birds separately would help clarify that this is the trio introduced for a whole separate region (Galar). Thoughts, [[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]? --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]]) 11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC

==Calyrex, Glastrier, and Spectrier==

Considering that Calyrex, Glastrier, and Spectrier are all connected somehow, and there are three of them, I think it's fair to consider them a trio. If they were to add to this page and need a name, maybe something like the Royal Trio would satisfy or something like that. --[[User Poke28|Poke28]] ([[User talk:Poke28.|talk]]) 20:09, 24 Oct 2020 (UTC)
:I disagree. There is clearly a thematic link between all three but competitively, Glastrier and Spectrier are a duo subordinate to Calyrex. Keep in mind Legendary trios generally share the same stat total; Glastrier and Spectrier have base stat totals of 580 compared to Calyrex's 680. These data points alone should settle any further debate. --[[User:AceTrainerAlvaro|AceTrainerAlvaro]] ([[User talk:AceTrainerAlvaro|talk]]) 11:44, 29 January 2022 UTC
::Well, Kyurem, Zygarde, and Necrozma already have BSTs different from the others in the trio, with some of their forms having higher ones. I don't see how Calyrex is any different from these. [[User:Mr. Daikon|Mr. Daikon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daikon|talk]]) 17:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

==Page Change==
With the inclusion of Regieleki and Regidrago, the Legendary Titans have lost their trio status. But it has got me thinking, should the page be renamed and include more information on the legendary groups as a whole? Whether or not some groups are trios, its probably a good idea to have a page describe all the groups and relationships between certain Pokemon on one page. There's already a slight debate on this on the Trio Masters page on whether or not it should even exist, as most of the information can be seen on the Legendary Pokemon page. This page on its own doesn't really say much on the trios themselves either and only lists them, but it's strange to me that Pokemon like Regigigas aren't as important topics on the pages of the groups they are a "master" of on the other pages too. What I'm trying to say here is that I think the page should be rewritten to include other groups or at least more information or Pokemon, otherwise its just a random list that leaves out certain Pokemon for some reason. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 01:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

== Semi-protection status ==

The reason listed for semi-protection is "To prevent new users from adding Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde" but the Aura trio is no longer disputed as a Legendary trio. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:While that was the original reason, I don't mind keeping it semi-protected for future trio speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
::I had a feeling that might be the case. Especially with Generation IX coming up, I think it makes sense to keep it semi-protected. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

==Legends of Galar Trio status?==
Are the Legends of Galar an official trio? Just curious as this was added into legendary trio page on here.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 14:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Checking the history section, and it apparently comes from a research task from Pokemon Go. 14:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)