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Welcome to Bulbapedia!

Welcome! Remember to sign your edits on talk pages with your signature. You can do that by typing ~~~~. Scarfcrosspwns 07:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Pff..I have to say...this cracks me up. Kenji-girl is an admin. And if you want to welcome, use this: {{subst:Welcome}}--Tavisource 07:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Funny. I just told this guy not to delete messages from his talk page and I believe that's the message he deleted. --ケンジガール 08:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Epic win!

As a huge fan of Tokyo Mew Mew and Pokémon, I almost fell off my chair when I saw your image! Makes me want to do a crossover fic! Or... a fic where these kids in the Pokéworld get Poké-DNA and have to stop the aliens, etc.... That would be so awesome... Poké Mew Mew! =D Oh, nvm, I'm just babbling now. HikariTajiri 16:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep.

Absolutely. The only people I've met that don't annoy me are User:Mr. Black and User:Midnight_Celtic. You know, those capable of handling an intelligent discussion. Scarfcrosspwns 02:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh okay. So just because I told you not to delete your talk page comments that means that I can't handle an intelligent discussion? I don't see what's so intelligent about changing your comments around and harassing people but that's just me. Oh yeah, and knock off the attitude. --ケンジガール 03:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It's called protecting the page

yes--Tavisource 03:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Well it's not that high of an offense to protect the page. Besides he stopped when I told him to. --ケンジガール 03:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

DP Episodes

I have not watched DP episodes 101-104 yet but this user named Mike4life has been deleting stuff in the humans and major events section. Is he doing it right?--Diamaster 03:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

He hasn't been deleting it. I have. It's unconfirmed until we see visible proof. --ケンジガール 03:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I know. I'm saying that you should protect the page so that they can't add in those things that you deleted.--Tavisource 04:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
If he does it again, I'll protect it. --ケンジガール 04:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

You

Are my hero. --((Marton imos)) 00:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Eh, its nothing. But Guardian just needs to be quiet now. I'm getting sick of him and I might go ape shit on him soon. --ケンジガール 00:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
oh, why??? We are just having a discusion, im viewing my opinions and so are you, debate is healthy, theres no need to "go ape" just express your views and listen to mine, and Ill do the same for you, listen to what you say and take it into account. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

This isnt making you hate me is it? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No I'm not hating you for this. In my opinion, you've taken this too far. TTEchidna was just celebrating Barack Obama becoming president and then you came in and managed to turn it into an "Abortion is wrong" campaign. How is this even helping Bulbapedia? This is appearently the only thing you do here. Start arguments with other user and use Bulbapedia like MySpace. Just let it go already. --ケンジガール 00:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I dont mean to, I wanna be a good user like you, I only got involved as I felt they were being harsh to Sarah Palin, and I just commented on that they shouldn't be so mean. Then it spiralled. I cant find much to contribute to Bulbapedia, I play the games and watch the anime, but everything on that is already covered. Im trying to be a good user, but I get caught up in other stuff, its a habit I need to break I know, but thats not going to come over night. And I know this isnt Myspace, but I do wanna be friends with as many as possible, so despite our political differences:

are we friends? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010


I concur with Martonimos--DCM((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))

I asked TTE if we could end the chat, this conversation is starting to affect friendships, and political views arent worth losing friends on BP --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

BulbaBot

See its edits fast and take some steps before it blocks both you and me.--Diby 06:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC) What do you think about this edit summary:

  • 11:41, 13 November 2008 BulbaBot (Talk | contribs) blocked Kuki (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 999 days 999 hours 999 minutes 999 seconds (account creation disabled) ‎ (I have no need for this account anymore. I can already edit protected pages.)

--Diby 06:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Binary translation of what the Bulbabot left on TTE's talk page:

You no longer have any authority on Bulbapedia, TTEchidna. I hope you enjoy your block and do not return when it expires.And now I, Scott Sandler, am in charge of Bulbapedia, and will make sure that everyone respects me and the pictures I put up, instead of Jmath's stupid ones.My mother's emails? They were only a trick. The email from Maverick Nate? I faked it. No one can stop me and now I have ultimate authority.You brought this on yourself TTE. YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ME ADMIN POWERS WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE! I WANTED THEM AND YOU JUST KEPT HOLDING THEM IN FRONT OF ME.Now, you will never come back... If you do, I will block you forever, like you wanted to do to me.Too bad you never had the chance.Love always, Scott Sandler, AKA Kuki.

It's not proof, but it does point a finger at Kuki for this blocking incident. The summary of Kuki's block by Bulbabot also points a finger at him. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 06:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
We need a bureaucrat. I was always against a bot admin...--Diby 06:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I am Kuki. BulbaBot 06:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


Stop unblocking TTE

He is not worthy of being head of Bulbapedia! BulbaBot 06:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Message

Kenji, Tavisource was trying to get hold of you...but had no idea how to...and tell to tell you that he's glad you came at the right time...and he says thanks...He can't edit, so he thanks you.--Coolピカチュウ! 07:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't think I did anything really... Just notified the other admins. --ケンジガール 07:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry.

01001001 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00101110 BulbaBot 21:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know robots can love, or feel emotion...--Blazevoir!! 21:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
How did you know what Bulbabot was saying? Jmath 22:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Online Binary Translator. I can't copy-paste but for short things like that I can easily type in.--Blazevoir!! 22:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

About the bob hope Image

Why did you damage my idea? Well Let's say that to make it more amusing, By the way do you know him anyway Kenji Girl? VW 1300 07:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

If you are a fan of Tracey You must be a fan of Bing Crosby and Bob Hope! VW 1300 07:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

This really doesn't answer my question... --ケンジガール 08:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Notability

Is Fantina's Gym assistant from DP102 notable enough to be considered a CoD for an article? I really don't think so, but I wanted to ask someone who would know more than me. MaverickNate 20:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. I didn't watch the episode yet. If he was given a name then I guess he would meet the qualifications of "notable". But if it's just another like Crasher Wake's unnamed assistant, than no. --ケンジガール 05:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ahh!

Stop, please. That syllable does not exist in Japanese. Leave them like they were! If we want confirmation, we need to ask someone good with Japanese, like Urutapu, but we need to cool it till he comes on. MaverickNate 04:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Umm if you don't believe me, check the Japanese wiki. I know it's not a Japanese syllable. I took Japanese class and the syllable シ shi is also used for si. Just like r is used for l. It's not Rukario now is it? --ケンジガール 04:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I still think we need a second opinion on this, but I do know that we use the traditionally correct romanji, and shi was the romanji was the traditional. Let's just ask Urutapu first, please. MaverickNate 04:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
What more evidence do you need. Check Geodude's Japanese article. It says it right there. I know just as much about romanization as Urutapu does. --ケンジガール 04:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, you just had to say that for me to believe you, but I trust you for now. If you know so much, then you can help me out. What does this mean: せんこうだん ? MaverickNate 04:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If you're using the Pokemon's trademarked romaji instead of the card's direct transliteration from katakana, correct transliteration shouldn't matter. There's a lot of trademarked romaji names that aren't direct syllable-for-syllable transliterations, like Foodin, Kamex, Spear...most of them, actually. Lucentas 04:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
It means senkoudan--RexRacer -talk 04:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I need English words. MaverickNate 04:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
"Senkoudan" is just what it reads. That's not what it means. I only know how to romanize. I really can't translate a Japanese word into an English word. I can do some, but not many. --ケンジガール 04:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Nate: Knowing romaji doesn't mean you can translate a Japanese word. If you can read 1337 then you can read 8r4hj6. That doesn't mean you can tell me what it means.
Kenji: Why are you so persistant on this issue? And this is similer to l's and r's, but definenetly not the same. Just because a shi and a tsu are next to each other doesn't mean that it isn't the Japanese name because if you look between the lines it can look like the English word Ishitsubute. This is an encyclopedia about a Japanese product.--RexRacer -talk 04:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you didn't hear me when I said that Geodude's Japanese article on PokémonWiki says its name romanized is "Isitsubute" not "Ishitsubute". I just added the bad word in the summary as a joke. I'm not doing this because I'm offended by that word. I'm just trying to be accurate. Is there any solid evidence that Ishitsubute is the trademarked romaji. No. I'm believing the Japanese wiki. --ケンジガール 05:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Samantha

Will you accept my chat invitation? I foud we both have Gmail accounts, so I thought it'd b nice t chat. MAGS, Sketch, and Marty have one too--KukiTalk 16:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Omg, is your name Samantha, if it is, one of my guesses came true. I try and guess people's real names and I guessed you as a Samantha, so if that is your name, I was right woohoo. To celebrate this, do you want a shiny? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

I'm not sure if it is, but her email address showed up with her name when I did an 'Email this user' and she replied--KukiTalk 18:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thats just creepy. Stop doing that. If they want you ro know theur name they will tell you.--DCM((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))
If you noticed, my name is right there on my userpage... And I'm not really a chat person. --ケンジガール 22:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Excuse Me

Why have you deleted the article 'Reggie's Bibarel'. I hadn't broken any rules and it was well written for how long we've seen Bibarel. Nothing said I couldn't make an article on his Bibarel. However, I was going to create an article on his Staraptor. ShinjiLover 06:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Bibarel was only in one episode. Its not notable enough for its own article. In fact, out of all of Reggie's Pokémon, its probably the least notable. Reggie really should have an article for only one of his Pokémon. That Pokémon in question should be Staraptor. The reason being is that Reggie himself hasn't appeared enough to give an article to all his Pokémon.
You need to know that some of the articles you make may get deleted. I'm sorry you worked hard on it, but its just not notable. End of discussion. If you want to make Reggie's Staraptor, go ahead. --ケンジガール 07:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't even worry about it, I don't care anymore. I've made Reggie's Staraptor's article, so if you'd like to make sure everything's in order and add things, be my guest. ShinjiLover 07:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is it that Staraptor gets an article but Breloom doesn't? I vote it should go. Jmath 14:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall Reggie having a Breloom...--Shiningpikablu252 16:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I am talking about Kenny's Breloom. Staraptor and Breloom did the exact same thing yet Staraptor gets an article. Jmath 16:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Well you have to think that Reggie doesn't have an article on any of his Pokémon but Kenny does, his Prinplup. --ケンジガール 22:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
It didn't have that big a role to get an article for itself. Maybe another major appearance but not now. And most of the info that is on the page can be written on Reggie's page and it is not going to change ANYthing. Jmath 23:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Staravia

You said on the talk page that the page was getting protected if someone put "male" as Staravia's gender again. Well, Jzek4 did that, so you should protect it now. Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 01:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Piplup and DP106

I asked that next time you un-hid Piplup from the episode page, that you actually gave a reason for doing so. As far as I know, Piplup is NOT confirmed to appear in that episode. I would've said something to this effect in the edit summary when I changed this, but as it happens, Dawn's Swinub is evolving, either in that episode, or the two before it, so the page is protected! Is there any particular reason why you so strongly believe that Piplup will appear in that episode, despite there being no evidence backing up this belief??? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 23:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Because Piplup appears often, so she just assumes it will appear and adds it. Although it is jumping the gun and should not be done. --HoennMaster 03:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't give me a lecture. You want my reason? I've been saying it over and over again. Piplup has been in EVERY epiosde since DP060. That's practically a year. The odds are very strong that it will be there. And don't give me that Wobbuffet lecture. Wobbuffet's appearances aren't as consistent. It appears for a few episodes, and then it's absent again. Piplup has over a 40 episode straight run. And I will keep adding it back until I see Piplup absent for another episode. We never know if Meowth is definately going to be there, yet we put his name in. What if the producer decided to not add Team Rocket in an episode? --ケンジガール 04:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Meowth is a different story. It's appeared in every, every, I say, EVERY episode since EP002, if only briefly. Team Rocket's been in every episode since their debut. That's HUNDREDS of episodes. We're talking 40 episodes with Piplup. Besides, the DP episode template no longer shows Piplup, and rightly so, I think. The twerps, Team Rocket, and Pikachu and Meowth are the ONLY characters confirmed to appear in any episode unless anything or anyone else is mentioned. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 11:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Kenji, you shout at me loads for putting stuff that isnt confirmed, and that i shouldnt guess. Piplup is not guaranteed in every episode. And one day that chain will be broken, its a mathematical certainty. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

In all honestly, I can care less what you think, Guardian. Watch. Piplup is going to be in every single episode from now on and your still going to keep hiding it. You'll never be satisfied. And so what if it's not there? Big deal. Will just erase it and never put it back. You guys make a big deal out of nothing. It's not like adding a Pokémon gender or anything. --ケンジガール 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DP104/DP105

Shouldn't these be protected because of Swinub as well? We don't know when it happens. Or are they staying unlocked because they air in 2 days? --HoennMaster 03:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why they should be protected. The proposed evolution happens in DP106. We didn't protect DP099 because of Ash's Grotle. --ケンジガール 04:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, the summary mentioned Dawn's newly evolved Piloswine. While it's possible that it evolves in that episode, it's just as likely that it evolves at the end of the previous episode.... - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 11:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I supposed it'll evolve in DP105 because the Rotom is stopping it from eating the Yokan!-Billy4b2004 12:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Well if that's the case, it'll evolve in the same week that Swinub debuts in the US, just like Ash's Gligar. --ケンジガール 06:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

And that means both Swinub and Gligar evolved 21 episodes after their capture. --HoennMaster 06:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Weird... XP --ケンジガール 07:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I know this is pure speculation, But according to serebii, Dawns Swinub evolves in DP106 an episode after the rotom episode, and is scheduled on a different time. They say that Swinub changes its personality drastically and completly disobeys Dawn (Much like Charmeleon). Just thought I'd like all of you to know :3 --Force Fire talk 07:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it says evolves prior to the episode, and he is just updated too earlier. We don't know when it evolves. --HoennMaster 08:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

In TV Tokyo ep summary for DP106, it says Dawn's newly evolved Piloswine, but didn't say anything about in what ep does it evolve. And it doesn't say anything about Dawn's Swinub either so I think we shouldn't add Dawn's Swinub in the Pokémon section for DP106, we should add Dawn's Piloswine instead.-Billy4b2004 09:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
No, We leave it as Dawn's Swinub. --Force Fire talk 10:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

word on the street

is that useless critisim is allowed.

Like did you know when you put in an edit summary "AHHH DUH REALLY!!??!?! I DID NOT NO DAT!!)" It makes you sound like a caveman --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

Yes, that is useless. And it's also perfectly acceptable. At most, you insinuate that Kenji-girl sounds like a caveman. Since most people know she's not, there's absolutely no reason for her to get all up-in-arms about that. She might ask you to not say such things, and then it would be up to you to decide. However, you still retain your freedom of speech.
...do note though, I wouldn't try anything harsher then that. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 22:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No, that was a protest, saying stuff like that is wrong. I dont think that about Kenji, i was trying to illustrate to you how hurtful these useless critisims can be. Kenji, is a brilliant user, i dont really mean what i said.

Constructive critisism is fine, like when you guys say more mainspace contribs, or better grammar. But insulting what i believe in, insulting something im pasionate about and calling me names, yes counting TTE's comment as well, isnt good for anything and should not be allowed. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No, insinuating that a Shipping is bad because its gay is wrong. The talk pages are NOT for expressing your opinions on the criteria in the article. That's what the forums are for. Talk pages are for how the article can be improved. When you put all of your believes out on the table, I hate to say, you have to expect some criticism. Especially when you say a group of people are wrong because of their sexual orientation. Do you honestly expect someone to give you respect, when you don't respect them back? If you don't want people to criticize your beliefs, than keep them to yourself. As a person on deviantART once told me, "criticism is everywhere; get used to it." --ケンジガール 03:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I need to talk to you ASAP, privetly, please. MaverickNate 03:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

you may be mistaken

this is a good chance for me to show i can be polite when adressing the admins.

I noticed that on User talk:TTechidna you reverted the edit I made. I am aware that you have made a mistake in the past like this, so I was wondering if you had seen the agreement that me and TTE came to, it was that, i would be more polite and contribute more, and that he and Optimatum would not insult me. So Im just enforcing the deal.


p.s can you also tell me how that sounded, i was trying to be polite but i dunno, when i was reading it, it sounds kinda snobby. I just want it to sound polite, what do you think? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

Vulpix Egg

Yes, I still have it...it's on the custom sprites page, but it's a link from my photobucket account. Maybe you could copy the image and upload it onto Bulbapedia...I don't know what's it is for, so I think it would be better if you could do it for me...thanks!--Tavisource 04:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do it. Recently pages on Nicolette's parents were made. The Vulpix egg would suit their pages. --ケンジガール 04:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ishī/Ishii

I don't know about what Urutapu said or which one of those should be the correct one, but it seems that Ishī would be the proper romanization, at least if we believe Maxim, who corrected the romanizations a long time ago. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 22:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Do what you feel is best. --ケンジガール 22:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I think I'll let it be as it is now, if somebody who knows more Japanese than me thinks it's better the other way around, (s)he can then move it. :P UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 23:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I hope Maxim doesn't have a mental breakdown because of it. --ケンジガール 23:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Staravia Edit

Thank You for reverting back to my edits. (Kmanecke 03:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC))

Why not?

Explain please?THE TROM — 06:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Because it was a decision that the admins agreed upon. Most CODs pages are only a paragraph or two long and it looks terrible when the infobox is longer then the words on the page. The only characters allowed to have infoboxes in the anime are main characters, recurring characters, Rocket members, and movie characters. --ケンジガール 07:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
OK then. I'd rather the pages were more standard, but when the admins say something, there's no changing their minds. :(THE TROM — 07:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

DP112

Thank You.(Kmanecke 19:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

TCG:Platinum

I need help to Upload the Set logo and the symbol for TCG:Platinum.User:DAWN FAN.

Just wait until the problems around uploading at the Archives are fixed. There's something gone really wrong there and nobody can upload anything at the moment. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 15:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Unprotect

Hey, could you unprotect this? Its been protected for a year now. You could unprotect Diamond and Pearl episode list as well since it was protected on a misunderstanding. Jmath 08:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Protectin' Galore

Contacting Shinypikablu didn't get any results here, so I'm contacting you. I think there's no need to protect Aoi, Yūzō and Kensuke. It's still TWO WEEKS to the airing of their episodes. Not to mention that Kensuke's name is not going to be revealed until DP090, as his appearance in DP088 is just a cameo. Please unprotect these pages. What if someone wants to edit it? I hate protecting for the sake of protecting. --Maxim 14:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

We protect because we'll always get one person who finds out the name and then wants to move it. If you want to edit something, just leave a message on the talk page. I'll unprotect Kensuke though since he won't have a speaking role for at least 4 weeks. --ケンジガール 20:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I do thank you for the assistance with the Episode Focus stuff. Appreciate it~! -Sketch 23:02, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Weedle Mchairbug's mind is seriously warped if he thinks Misty was the center of episode 10 when Ash was the one who caught a Bulbasaur. --ケンジガール 23:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Even if I was indeed that, there's still the fact that the same episode focused more on Brock than on Ash (Despite Ash capturing Bulbasaur), and not to mention it listing Brock as being the episode's focus, despite not even being the one who caught Bulbasaur. Care to explain that, Kenji? (I wasn't even the one responsible for Brock's inclusion, anyways.). Weedle Mchairybug 23:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Because he was the one who got to the garden first and met Melanie. But I personally don't think it focuses on Brock too much. I'm not the one who put it there. --ケンジガール 23:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

COD infoboxes

"mijzelffan: The rules don't say a COD can't have an infobox, so I don't see the point of removing it kenji-girl: There is a rule."

if there is a rule then, please send me link. If the rule indeed says that infoboxes are illegal with COD's, I won't bother you with it anymore. Mijzelffan 22:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It isn't in writing. It was discussed amoung the admins to not have them. COD articles are mostly too short to have an infobox, thus it makes the rest of the page look bad. Even if the article is well written, we can't make any exceptions. --ケンジガール 00:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
hmmm, ok then. I guess I'll believe you. And btw, an absol pre-evo would indeed be very cool. Mijzelffan 12:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you pass along a message?

To TTEchidna? He's protected his talk page. But um, his yanmega or megapsycho says its a bug grass type, and he should change it to bug flying. Happizelpom 23:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)