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I have a problem

Hello Carmen,

There's a user here on Bulbapedia that's breaking the code of conduct you gave to me on my discussion page. The user is Kenji-Girl, although it's in Japanese lettering. I would appreciate it if you could help out or forward this message to someone on the administration who can. --ShalashaskaADV 02:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I really can't do anything about that; sorry. Kenji-girl is a senior admin, and I'm sure she knows what she's doing. She wasn't breaking the code of conduct; she was simply explaining what you've done wrong and hopes you won't make a mistake like that again. Please understand. --Carmen (Talk) 02:16, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Trainer classes

The reason Gen I trainers are not included is because, except in a few cases, the trainers are the same as they are in FRLG. Same level, same team. Unless there are differences (or the trainer didn't get carried over into FRLG), they didn't get noted. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! --Carmen (Talk | Contributions) 13:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

No

I know you apologized, but please, next time, CHECK. --Han Ji-Wan 04:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for that. I'll make sure I check from now on. --Carmen (Talk | Contributions) 04:15, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler links

I had to revert most (not all) of your edit to BW002 because it went against the spoiler links policy in episode articles. I elaborated on that policy in my proposed synopsis guidelines, where it cited a past argument that set the standard. Just take note of it for next time. Thanks! --rockersk08 04:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Just butting in where I'm probably not wanted (as per usual, I guess), but I don't think this is actually as big a deal as one may think. The spoiling will happen whether the link goes to the redirect or not, because if someone clicks on the link then they get a major spoiler. At best, I think this sort of thing should be a "link to whatever is appropriate given the context", but don't go out of your way to change or revert someone - it's not really a huge concern.
Personally speaking, I think Bulbapedia should abolish spoiler warnings anyway. Seriously, this is a wiki full of information. Chances are you've come here because you want to learn something you don't already know. Every element from every canon (games, anime, manga, etc.) could be perceived as a spoiler... Maybe I'm a bit too anti-spoiler, but... —darklordtrom 09:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I didn't know about that policy before, but I'll make sure that I will follow it. --Carmen (Talk | Contributions) 13:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate that, but Trom also brought up a good point about it. I had been following it based on that past argument, but perhaps it could be reassessed? I'll start a conversation on the policy talk page. Feel free to chime in! --rockersk08 04:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Changes

Please, why you reverted the changes I made in the images of the pages Emolga Iris and himself? Both are totally disproportionate to their pages and end up spoiling the look of them.-Hikaru Wazana 22:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Please read this. --Carmen (Talk | Contributions) 23:50, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Cards and redirects

The cards use the links the way they do for ease of typing out origins. On a further note: The TCG links to redirects more often than other sections, because many times, linking to the actual page makes things incorrect and harder than linking the redirect. If you come across more card pages using Template:Game, just skip them, please. MaverickNate 05:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. I'll leave the card pages alone. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 13:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
No worries. Thank you MaverickNate 14:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi

If you have a minute, could you please check your email? Thanks. Jellotalk 02:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Official congratulations

Welcome to the team! Jellotalk 20:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 20:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Congradulations Carmenstar! You deserve it you've been making lots of good edits! Good luck as a staff member :) --Pokemaster97 20:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Congrats and welcome aboard. Werdnae (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations, it's nice to see a new fellow user. Masatoshitalk 20:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Whoo! Congrats, you've certainly earned it. :D --P S Yライダー 20:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Congrats. We'll be sure to take good care of you. Yes....good care...Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 20:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Belated congratulations Carmen, welcome to the team. 8) ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 15:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Underscores in template parameter names

You can't replace them with spaces or they break. --SnorlaxMonster 14:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

*Facepalm* I should really think before I act. Sorry. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 14:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistency!

Not that big of a deal actually, but on the top of your userpage it says "she" joined bulbapedia on 10/22/10. Then it switches perspective (not that it matters, but my writing teacher would kill you for that) and at the bottom, it says you joined on 10/23/10. Not that it's my bussiness, but I just couln't help noticing it (OCD). Obviously there is a good reason for it and I'm just too much of a noob to see it, but just had to point that out. Blastoiseboy19(Talk) was here at 00:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistency!

Not that big of a deal actually, but on the top of your userpage it says "she" joined bulbapedia on 10/22/10. Then it switches perspective (not that it matters, but my writing teacher would kill you for that) and at the bottom, it says you joined on 10/23/10. Not that it's my bussiness, but I just couln't help noticing it (OCD). Obviously there is a good reason for it and I'm just too much of a noob to see it, but just had to point that out. Blastoiseboy19(Talk) was here at 00:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

OOPS sorry I just double-posted, my computer really sucks. Blastoiseboy19(Talk) was here at 00:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, (stupid me) how do you put the [show] buttons on your usertags? mine just expand my page and it really bugs me. Blastoiseboy19(Talk) was here at 00:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

Do not, under any circumstance add information to my talk page that pertains to lecturing me. That is extremly offensive on my part. Please do not do that again PokePrincess 01:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 01:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, sometimes lecturing is the only way to teach some people how to do stuff. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 01:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Who are you? What do you have anything to do with this...Let me answer for you, NOTHING!!!!. PokePrincess 01:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 01:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just trying to help. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 01:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh I am sorry too its just I am so frustrtaed. I am struggling with images. I know this sounds weird but I don't know how to. PokePrincess 01:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 01:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

What must be done must be done. If you go against the talk page policy, or rather, any policy, you'll get a warning. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 01:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Before you do that, why do we have to keep the welcoming and you are going to absolutley hate me from saying this but can you help with images. PokePrincess 01:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 01:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

We have to keep the welcoming becuase it has some helpful advice you should follow. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 01:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Exactly what kind of help do you need with images? Uploading, inserting them into pages...what? --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 01:40, 20 June

You know how the sprites for pokemon are in those boxes? how do you make thosePokePrincess 05:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 05:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll assume you mean something like this. That's done through the use of several templates. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the manual of style and wikicode before getting into templates. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 20:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Fail attempt

Hey, since you are an admin, is there anyway you can delete my failed attempt at a usertag? It's near the top of the Recent Changes. Thanks! :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 00:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm only a Junior Admin, which means I can't delete pages. I can bring it up with a higher staff member. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 00:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 00:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I have another question...

Do you know how I can add this to the other userboxes? Or am I allowed to? :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 02:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Read this. It should answer your questions. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 02:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you think my usertag is any good? :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 02:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't really have an opinion...sorry. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 02:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
That's fine. Thanks for your help! :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 02:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Policy?

What is the policy on horizontal lines? You have to agree that on Sawsbuck's page, it would really help to break up that section. LimeGreenCharizard 15:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Official poilcy is that they should be avoided if at all possible. Breaking up a page is generally a bad thing, not a good thing; it disrupts the flow. Sections should be used instead. Sawsbuck's page already has sections, it does not need further division. Werdnae (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Minor Edits

May I ask why all of your contribs are marked as minor edits? They couldn't have all been minor. LimeGreenCharizard 19:16, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Some of us have all our edits marked as minor by default, because most of our edits are. It's easy to forget to unckeck the box when making a large edit. Werdnae (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Type Templates?

Hello, I've noticed that there are two templates for Pokémon types. One is {{type|Type}} and {{t|Type}}. Is there a preferred template or are they enterchangable? --Pokemaster97 02:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

See here, bullet five. {{T}} would be used when describing a type as a noun and {{Type}} would be used when describing a type as an adjective. For example, use {{T}} when saying "Pikachu is weak to the Ground type", and use {{Type}} when saying "Pikachu is an Electric-type Pokémon." --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 03:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Ahh, I understand now. Thank you! --Pokemaster97 03:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Deleting an account

Hi there, I was wondering if you could delete/cancel my account? It occurs to me that, although I enjoy reading through this wiki, I don't have the time or the resources right now to contribute. Thanks :) Reedreda Reedreda 17:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Contributing isn't necessary; you can just not contribute. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 01:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I would rather just not have an account until I actually have a reason for using it, if that's all right. -- unsigned comment from Reedreda (talkcontribs)

Due to the way the wiki is built, we are unable to remove accounts. Feel free to ignore your account though. It isn't doing any harm by leaving it idle. —darklordtrom 04:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Carmenstar97 I need your help! I want to make my own profile page but it wont let me. It's says I need an admins permission. Can I have your permission? Sincerly - Adrian - unsigned comment from Adrian from Gun Slingerz Inc. (talkcontribs)

Doddman

when will this page be unproteted ? This Pokémon is fully evolved and shoudend't be portected anymore. - unsigned comment from Doddman (talkcontribs)

Move/Addition requests

As the server move has broken the php mail() function, I'll post this here instead:

Hiya, I noticed the archives. wiki is locked and I needed a file moved. The File:DW_unidentified_candy_house.png needs to be changed to File:DW_Gingerbread_House.png as it was released today and I updated the Décor page accordingly.

Speaking of the Décor page, I would like permission to start working on a new Dream World Item template and 2 new pages to separate out the Plain and Dolls catalogue from the Décor page as it's now just a monolithic page.

Feel free to get in contact with me about any of this. I seem to be picking up the Dreamworld section and attempting to keep it up-to-date and cleaning it up where possible.

♪Pyrii♫ talkcontrib 01:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I added my suggestions for discussion on the Décor talk page. But the file move is still needed. ♪Pyrii♫ talkcontrib 01:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The Lylat Wiki returns.

Hello, Carmenstar97! I'm RingtailedFox, assistant administrator at the Lylat Wiki. I just wanted to let you know that we've come back online after a lengthy hiatus, and our URL has changed to http://www.starfoxwiki.info . I'm sending the word out to all the NIWA members/affiliates, as the old URL no longer points to the website. :) RingtailedFox (talk) 03:50, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

User: page

Just wondering if you'd know anything behind this, but a few weeks ago I was notified that my user: page was created, but when I went onto a PC a few hours to actually prepare it all, I found that it was all gone, include the message another person left me (I think it was someone starting with "Z"). I just wanted to find out if there was any exact reason why I was told that the page was created, then only a few hours later all evidence of it was erased?

Sorry if I sound rude or anything, I'm not too used to human contact :S - unsigned comment from Flamerheart (talkcontribs)

When can you create a page?

I would like to know when a user can create a new page. I really want to make my user page.
Supermarti15 (talk) 19:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

You'll have to wait until you're autoconfirmed. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 23:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Archives protection removal?

Could you do anything to remove the protection of Bulbagarden Archives? Since X and Y are out now, I guess there is no real reason for keeping it protected, just like Bulbapedia. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:15, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Now that you're active...

Could you please take a look at this link template, and possibly mainspace it? Thanks. オリナル TheOriginalOne 00:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

That template already exists: Template:Kal. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 00:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the trouble: I assumed it because it's not listed here. Please add it, and thank you for your time. オリナル TheOriginalOne 13:52, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Reporting a user breaking the Code of Conduct

While I do not disagree with Mask no oni's accusation that I am a stickler and a pedant in this edit summary, and in fact am proud of those qualities because they make for better copy editing, I do believe he is also calling me an "elitist shithole" unless I have misread his post, so I'd like to report him for that. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Merge files

I think these files/pages should be merged. Since I can't do that as a regular user, I'll post it here.

Skier II OD.png with Buena II OD.png

Pokemon Fan Club Chairman Kanto II OD.png with Name rater Johto II OD.png and Radio Director II OD.png

Youngster II OD.png with Schoolboy II OD.png and Santos II OD.png and Arthur II OD.png

Johto Move Deleter II OD.png with PokéManiac II OD.png and Wesley II OD.png

Frieda II OD.png with Copycat II OD.png

Note: there are two grey pixels that shouldn't be there on the Weasley and Frieda's sprite (not their duplicate uploads though), that you'll notice if you enlarge the image.

A good example of many characters with the same sprite merged to one file is Rocket Grunt M II OD Rocket Grunt M II OD.png.TorNyan (talk) 17:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I have noticed a mistake, but am not sure who to tell.

I have noticed a mistake on some information regarding a specific Pokemon, but I am not sure who to tell. I was hoping you could help me, as the Administrators I may have asked are inactive. --Guakstick (talk) 13:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Diploma

Hii, in the page [1] (Diploma) theres 2 pictures that where taked by a camera, i have these 2 on a normal DS size (256x192) taked normally as well. i can send you these two for the page. but tell me how to do that. - unsigned comment from Araraura (talkcontribs)

Hell their please give me chance

i really want to join please please please pretty please i will do anything to join also trivia for James that he caught three pokemon by food thats good trivia --DareDevil (talk) 01:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

New Project

I have an idea for a new project concerning the Pokémon world: Project Record (name can change). Basically, it's a project in which we would categorize every Pokémon-related world records. To give an idea, here's some of the records it could feature:

  • The biggest <langage> TCG collection
  • The most hours played at <game>
  • The fastest time to level up a <pokemon> from level <x> to <y>
  • The biggest official Pokémon plush/shirt collection
  • etc.

Ideas and records are endless, anything would be considered record-able if it is:

  • Proven
  • Breakable
  • Quantifiable (countable, mesurable)

Need more info? Let me know! :) MannedTooth (talk) 20:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, the idea for this project is both impossible to gauge and not notable enough. Things like records would fit more under trivia, and even then, it's impossible to figure out what exactly those records are, since the Pokémon community is so large. I would say no to this idea, but thank you anyways for your efforts. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 20:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, since the community is so large and because we can't go to people's house to validate it, what about we limit the range of this project to the games? Like, think about it, every number (exaggeration) can become a record! :O As long as they provide a video footage to prove it, it can become something great which I consider myself to be able to handle. If your answer is still a no, I will stop trying. I see so much potential, and to be honest, I find this a lot more notable than the project ship (my opinion only). MannedTooth (talk) 21:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Bulbapedia is not a record-hosting site, but rather an encyclopedia about Pokémon. This project, while subjectively may be notable, just doesn't fit the aims of Bulbapedia. My answer is still a no. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 21:13, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Invalid Information

I found an invalid information about Mr. Briney for generation 6, I am not sure how to reformulate the sentence though.

It's written "Mr. Briney is first seen near the Rusturf Tunnel, asking the player to recover his Wingull, Peeko, from a Team Magma GruntROR/Team Aqua GruntSEAS."

Maybe this is true for RSE, but for ORAS it isn't. Mr.Briney is first seen in front of his house (cottage). MannedTooth (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

You could say:
In Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, Mr. Briney is first seen near Rusturf Tunnel, while in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, he is first seen in front of his cottage on Route 104.
Outside of Rusturf Tunnel, he will ask the player to recover his Wingull, Peeko, from a Team Magma GruntROR/Team Aqua GruntSEAS.
--Carmen (Talk | contribs) 21:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Addition to templates

In the templates of the Trainers you can meet in the game on certain routes/locations. It includes the name of the trainer, the money you get by defeating him/her, and the Pokémon he uses (including their level and gender). I think we should add to each Pokémon the moves they use. Basically, the same as for Brendan by example.

What it looks like: Petalburg Woods

What it should look like: Brendan

And again, I'm not talking about changing the whole template, it is awesome as it is for now, a list, but as I said, Pokémon should include their moves too, for the reader to know exactly what he will be facing. MannedTooth (talk) 22:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

We don't do that for regular Trainers because: (1) they're just not notable enough, (2) if we did that for all Trainers, location pages would get unnecessarily large and cramped, and (3) I think most people would be able to defeat a regular Trainer's Pokémon before finding out all of their moves. The information could potentially be helpful, but most people wouldn't need it or search it up. And anyways, isn't part of the fun of playing a game the aspect of not knowing every little detail that will happen? --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 22:19, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, I do have a couple of things to argue with you on this.
  • Notability implies since they do have a section just for them, it would just be an additional information about them since, everything's here, except for that. I am not asking to create a whole page for them. Just add something to their section which they already have.
  • They wouldn't get so large and cramped, all we have to do is hide their abilities with an expendable class just like for the Brendan page I just sent you. It's not annoying for the eye, and if you want that particular information, all you have to do is click on a little word. Users who don't want to see it/be spoiled, won't click on it.
  • For trainers like them, okay, I agree, everyone's able to defeat them without preparation. But more advanced Trainers may need some preparation to do so, for some people. So if we do it for advanced trainers, why don't we do it for every trainers? Seems logic to me.
  • Your argument with the "it's more fun to not know it" is pretty (with all respect due) ironic to me. This website is essentially made so that anyone can dig up the information they look for. People who, as you said, play for fun and like to find out the abilities themselves, just won't use the website.
MannedTooth (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Your request may sound simple, but the amount of effort and research that would have to be put into it is quite large. Let's look at the Ace Trainer Trainer class alone. There's about 400 Ace Trainers spanning all core series games so far. Let's say that on average they have 2 Pokémon each, 3 moves per Pokémon. 800 Pokémon. 2400 moves. And that's just for Ace Trainers. There's over 200 Trainer classes. There could be about 500,000 moves to research.
My point is, what you're suggesting is an enormous change, not just a request to add a little "additional information." And for what purpose? Just how necessary would this change be?
If you're still determined to have this change implemented, I'd suggest you go talk to the Head of Games or an Editorial Board member, as changes of this size are really not up to me. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 23:15, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
I know this could be huge, but there must be a way to replace every empty spot by "unknown" "to be added" or "if you know, please add it" isn't it? As time goes, cells are gonna be filled. Who would be the best person to contact for this to be discussed with? I would like to suggest it at least. Thank you for your time. Very appreciated! ^^ MannedTooth (talk) 23:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Try talking to Kogoro. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 00:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Primal Kyogre

I must correct you on something.

Primal Kyogre itself is still subject to Fire-type attacks. Its ability renders them obsolete. However, if a slower Primal Groudon or Mega Rayquaza comes out, or they enter the field after Primal Kyogre regardless of speed, Primordial Sea vanishes and Primal Kyogre is able to be hit by Fire-type attacks at the usual rate for Water types. I am thus going to side with the user on Primal Kyogre and Fire-type attacks (same with Water types on Primal Groudon once its ability vanishes), and the table, I think, needs to be redone with the ability in mind as a note. If upper staff made the decision, however, it might be more appropriate to bring it up in discussion. CycloneGU (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

You're right, but allow me to defend myself a little. The main reason I reverted that edit was because in cases in which a Pokémon's only Ability is one that affects type effectiveness, such as Levitate, we default the type effectiveness chart to support the conditions of that Ability and leave a note at the bottom of the chart indicating exceptions. Like you said, the table does need to be updated to include a note for Primordial Sea, Desolate Land, and Delta Stream, but at the time I reverted that edit I didn't have the power to edit the template. I thank you for bringing this up, and I hope it's clear now. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 04:20, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Completely understood. I've gone ahead and removed the Primal Kyogre effectiveness table and notified Force Fire of the issue so that it can be properly addressed. Until it is, there's no point having the different tables. I have urged that notes are needed, myself, since it's clearly causing confusion. I also see no way to add notes like at Hoopa's page, which suggests they may have to do it anyway. If it were up to me (obviously it isn't, just saying LOL), I'd rather the table be factually correct ignoring the ability, and the ability note explaining things, but maybe I'm late to the party on this discussion as well. CycloneGU (talk) 04:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

New template?

I've come with the idea of a new template. Basically, it's a table with all the bonus stats a Pokémon gains per level.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:MannedTooth/Stats_Per_Level_Gen_3

Let me know what you think, and should I continue working on it so that when it's full we can implement them? Thanks ! ^~^ MannedTooth (talk) 04:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I changed the template, since this was was not a good idea, so I've come with something else:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:MannedTooth/Items_In_Manga
Let me know which one is the best? MannedTooth (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I think the first table looks easier on the eyes, but the second table is more efficient. You could try making the second table less green. Also, I'm not too familiar with the manga section of the site, so you might want to go to Zesty Cactus to ask whether such a table is needed. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 21:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Snover

You can tell me why it isn't notworthy that Snover and Abomasnow are the only two non-fairy types who are weak to both Steel and Poison, because that is what the Trivia sector is about in my opinion. Danny199 (talk) 07:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Unique type combinations are notable, while unique type combinations of weaknesses are not. If a Pokémon or an evolutionary family of Pokémon has a unique type combination, any unique type combinations of weaknesses that they may have are already directly implied by the Pokémon's type combination. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 17:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
It is just the only evolutionary line that has this, out of all types, their are no types with multiple weaknesses that have this as well. Danny199 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think you follow what I'm saying. If an evolutionary line has a unique type combination, then naturally it should follow that the types these Pokémon are weak to are unique as well. Stating that the Pokémon have a unique type combination is sufficient; there is no need to further detail the type effectiveness of that type combination. Snover and Abomasnow are the only non-Fairy types weak to both Steel and Poison? That's already implied through the fact that Snover and Abomasnow are the only Grass/Ice Pokémon. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 21:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I got that part. What I tried to ask you if it isn't nameworthy to tell that out of all the Pokémon evolutionary lines, only Snover and Abomasnow are weak to all the weaknesses of one type, in this case Fairy, neglecting the fact that Normal and Electric only have one weakness. Danny199 (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
In that case, then your point just isn't true. Lileep and Cradily are weak to all the weaknesses of the Dark type: Fighting and Bug. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 17:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
They aren't weak to Fairy, which is also a weakness of Dark, since gen VI that is. Danny199 (talk) 17:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I just realized I forgot about the Generation VI changes to the type chart. Forgive me for that. You may re-add your trivia point, but please make sure it's worded clearly so that there is no confusion. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 17:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
If I may, if you're looking for a counter to "Snover/Abomasnow are unique in this", Terrakion is weak to Poison's weaknesses.
That said, I would say that this sort of thing is unnotable anyway just because it falls under that nebulous umbrella of "So what?" To try to be more specific, I would say it's trivia for the sake of trivia, which isn't worth our while. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
...And yet another thing I completely forgot about. Alright, disregard what I said about re-adding the trivia.
I do believe that a lot of trivia falls under the "So what?" category, so there's a very uncertain line between notable and unnotable trivia. That being said, a trivia policy is under the works, so that line should hopefully become more clear once it's finalized. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 17:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I see it. Even more, all the Fighting/Fire Pokémon are as well. Poison must have slipped my mind, I will remove it again. Danny199 (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)