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User talk:Abcboy/sandbox/NewBerry

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Opinions

Like it

  • I greatly prefer this to the current layout. The current infobox is way too big. --SnorlaxMonster 05:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
  • After looking at it, I think that this does look alright. The Infobox could contain a bit of info on a common use and the appearance of the Locations table doesn't seem to sit right, but everything else looks good. --Super goku (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
  • I like this a lot better than the current layout. It's more consistant. レシイラムtalk 03:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Hate it

The current one is fine

Comments

It looks pretty good, but using a template for Locations seems a bit... much... also, the Generation III-exclusive Berries don't seem to have in-game sprites so the bag description template needs to reflect that. Perhaps a sentence saying how Fling does 10 damage with whatever Berry could be mentioned. Finally, I'm not sure if it was checked as well, don't forget about Chilan Berry... there is a Generation III and Generation IV/V variant. ht14 05:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Also, "forcibly consumed"? That's just odd wording... ht14 05:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
You do realize all that stuff is already on the actual article, right? I just copied and pasted. --Abcboy (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Shortly after I typed this up, I noticed that the Locations template exists. I'm still saying I don't like it (so that's not targeted toward you; it's been a while since I've looked at the Berry articles). As for Fling and "forcibly consumed" on the Pecha Berry article, that's not mentioned at all. All that is mentioned for "in-battle" use is this:
"A Pecha Berry, if held by a Pokémon, can instantly cure it of poison, or it can be used as an item to cure poison.
"When used in conjunction with Natural Gift, a Pecha Berry will take on the Electric-type with a power of 60." I don't want to sound technical... but as I said, none of that information was mentioned. ht14 16:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
SnorlaxMonster edited that, actually. Here it is. --Abcboy (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that's the most accurate description of the way it is used under those circumstances. --SnorlaxMonster 01:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I apologize if there was a misunderstanding; I'm just noting what I observe. I would say that consumed by itself is better... Fling and Item Urge I could see for "forcibly consumed," but not Bug Bite or Pluck... ht14 04:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, the point is that the Berry is usually only eaten at a certain time; Pluck and Bug Bite force it to be eaten at that instant rather than triggering when it normally would. --SnorlaxMonster 04:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
... I just don't like "forcibly." ht14 05:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd kind of like a bit of a blend of this and the current layout. Rather than try to explain myself with just words, do you mind if I copy your tables and adjust them to show you the kind of layout I'm thinking of on a user page of my own? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:41, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

My suggestions

Alright, I made User:Tiddlywinks/NewBerryPlus. Let me go through the basic modifications starting from the top.

  • Nav: The Berry pages definitely (IMO) need a navbar at the top. I tried integrating it into the sidebar, but I didn't know how to make that work in a way I'd like. You should create a copy of the Template:berryPrevNext too and customize its colors. Or rather, you may want to copy the table code from the top of my page, since berryPrevNext has a minor error when it shows two Berries on the right, which I fixed on my page (even though it doesn't show).
  • The sidebar: IMO, all the basic, otherwise generally irrelevant info can sit on the side rather than making the page longer in their own sections (like the tag/bag descriptions do the way you have them). The only thing is, the Natural Gift power doesn't really fit in that rationale (so I just removed it; it's just fine only being stated lower on the page, really).
    • RSE/FRLG and DPPt/HGSS: giving those games their own cells doesn't work for me (perhaps because the other gens don't have any games similarly listed). I tried to play with it, but in the end, I thought the best solution was just to place them at the beginning of the description.
  • Growth: I had two main goals. I wanted to place the generation on the left, and I wanted the yield to be a highlight, rather than just the last little bit of text at the end of a growth summary. After iterating a while, I arrived at this. IMO that growth summary text is just repeating the "images". Maybe some commentary could be added above the table, but I don't think it's necessary within it.
  • ...Everything below growth is pretty cool. (I thought about including it, but when I saw it added categories to my page, I decided not to.)

I acknowledge room for improvement in some of what I put together, but I basically like that form.

One other thing: your growth template will only do Pecha as you're using it currently. You never used the "name" parameter you're sending it; you used {{{1}}} for that instead.

In short, I like the new color scheme, I like the idea to pare down the sidebar (although I think you went farther than necessary), and I like how you made the Growth (and Harvest) section more visual now. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)