User:TTEchidna/GSDS

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GSDS is my name for a remake of Pokémon Gold and Silver for the Nintendo DS.

GSDS Timeline
November 21, 1999	October 15, 2000	January 29, 2004	April 1, 2004	September 9, 2004	September 28, 2006	November 30, 2006	April 22, 2007	June 19, 2007	July 26, 2007	December 15, 2007	January 10, 2008
Pokémon Gold and Silver released in Japan	Pokémon Gold and Silver released in the United States	Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen released in Japan	First faked screens of GS remakes	Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen released in the United States	Pokémon Diamond and Pearl released in Japan	DP010 airs in Japan	Pokémon Diamond and Pearl released in the United States	DP010 airs in the United States	DP041 airs in Japan	DP041 airs in the United States	DP062 airs in Japan

1 The beginning
2 Game data?
3 Cross-gen evolutions
4 Anime
5 Names?

The beginning

A remake of Gold and Silver started to be theorized after the remake of Pokémon Red and Green. Not only did the more southern Sevii Islands towns and routes feature Generation III remixes of three specific tunes from the Generation II games, but the events of Generation II were referenced multiple times by characters, with Professor Oak's assistant telling of his future radio show, Team Rocket scientist Gideon's reference to Giovanni's red-haired son, and the Rocket Warehouse's administrators' plans to use electromagnetic waves to force Pokémon to evolve.

Of course, as always, the hacking community came to the rescue first, with ROM patches of the Generation III games with re-done trainer sprites and areas in the style of those of Johto. These, however, are not always well-done, and require that would-be players go against Nintendo's own wishes. In being hacks of FireRed and LeafGreen, as well, only Violet City, Olivine City, Azalea Town, Blackthorn City, Routes 42, 43, 44, and the Lake of Rage feature the correct music due to the remixes used in Four Island, Five Island, Six Island, Seven Island, and the named routes nearby. The Johto region, however, still remains as popular as ever, with players going to all ends to find out hints.

Game data?

Hey, wait a sec...

The first of an overwhelming slew of evidence lies in the fact that within Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, there are references to the events and characters of the Generation II games so often, it's as if the games were meant to be set right next door to Johto. Taking into account the fact that within the game data itself, location information that causes the games to display "met in Johto" instead of other messages is found, and so many are confident in what Game Freak will be up to next. It seems only likely that the remakes will not betray their origins by excluding Kanto as a visitable post-Johto site; in such an event, I would wager that even Pokémon caught in Generation IV Kanto would be displayed in Diamond and Pearl as "met in Johto". After all, Pokémon transferred forward from FireRed or LeafGreen, even if met in the Sevii Islands (which, incidentally, may also be included in the prospective games), will display the message "met in Kanto". In other words, these messages bear a "watermark" of the game of origin, rather than the locations or regions therein. As for proof of Kanto's inclusion, Professor Oak, during the event to capture Shaymin, mentions that there is a rock similar to the one on Route 224 somewhere in the Kanto region, though no such rock appears in any of Kanto's last three appearances.

Cross-gen evolutions

Johto Pokémon

Further evidence of a planned remake is in the fact that eight Pokémon originally introduced in Generation II, only two of which were already evolved Pokémon, got new evolutionary relatives. Aipom, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Sneasel, Togetic, Yanma, Gligar and Piloswine, once the final stage in their evolutionary family, now had Ambipom, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Weavile, Togekiss, Yanmega, Gliscor and Mamoswine into which to evolve. That is not to mention that another two Generation II Pokémon, Sudowoodo and Mantine, got baby forms, Bonsly and Mantyke.

Kanto Pokémon

Comparatively, Generation I Pokémon with new evolutions amounted to nine; however, one of them (Porygon-Z) needs to evolve from a Pokémon which was introduced in Generation II, and four more have Generation II Pokémon as family members (from which they do not evolve directly or at all): Electivire, Magmortar, Leafeon and Glaceon. Curiously, Electivire and Magmortar follow Electabuzz and Magmar's National Dex order, whereas Leafeon and Glaceon follow that of Espeon and Umbreon. At any rate, this leaves only Magneton, Lickitung, Rhydon, and Tangela as Generation I Pokémon which had previously not been faced with a cross-generational evolution family, with their new evolutions Magnezone, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, and Tangrowth introduced in Generation IV. This leaves Generation I with four new evolutions to it.

Babies

The baby Pokémon, of course, introduced this generation included Happiny, a baby form of Chansey (which has a Generation II evolution, Blissey), Munchlax, a baby form of Snorlax, and Mime Jr., a baby form of Mr. Mime.

Hoenn Pokémon

Generation III got the worst of the deals, perhaps not surprisingly. This generation received two baby Pokémon to evolve into a Pokémon first seen in Hoenn, Chingling, which evolves into Chimecho, and Budew, which becomes Roselia. Likewise, only five new evolutions for Generation III Pokémon premiered, including Roserade, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, and Froslass, which evolve from Roselia, Kirlia, Nosepass, Dusclops, and Snorunt. Certainly it was the only generation to contain a Pokémon that got a new evolution as well as a baby form, and even exceeds Generation I by one evolution once members with Generation II ties are excluded, but this counts for nothing compared to the sheer amount of Pokémon released that are relatives of Generation II's monsters.

Anime

Ah, yes, the anime, Pokémon's #1 advertising tool. But what could it possibly be doing to promote Generation II when it's busy promoting Generation IV?

Well, of course, most of the anime's power is in its promotion of the current generation. After all, why else would Ash leave all but Pikachu at home before AG? So he could promote Gen III without releasing everyone! But what's he doing now?

Ash
Pikachu	Staravia	Turtwig	Chimchar	Buizel	Gligar

Dawn
Piplup	Buneary	Pachirisu	Ambipom

Brock
Sudowoodo	Croagunk	Happiny

Well look at that. No less than ten episodes before, he trades away Aipom for Buizel, then he gets Gligar. Brock has Sudowoodo, like he has since near the very beginning of DP. Dawn's now the only one without a Gen II monster (she only had Aipom for five episodes before its evolution).

BUT THEY ALL HAD GEN II POKÉMON ON THEIR ACTIVE ROSTER FOR AT LEAST ONE EPISODE DURING THE DP SERIES.

Look at this: We have no Gen III Pokémon (though we do in TR with Seviper and Dustox), we have one Gen I Pokémon in Pikachu, and of course, Gen IV fills up the most slots, with five of Ash's, ALL of Dawn's, and two of Brock's Pokémon from that gen.

Still doesn't explain Gligar and Sudowoodo. Aipom of course stuck around from BF because she was essentially there for evolution. But Sudowoodo was a Gen IV Pokémon before it evolved, and it evolved way early in the DP series. Gligar appeared in an episode with its evolution, which Paul caught, giving HIM another Gen IV member (of a Gen II evo family!). But Ash got Gligar, which likely won't evolve since Paul has Gliscor already... kinda like how James's Mime Jr. won't evolve because Delia has a Mr. Mime already.

So what's this prove?

Well... there's likely to be a Gen II remake to be advertised... especially if Happiny becomes Chansey. It'll evolve to show off a Gen I-Gen II family, like was done in Johto with Brock's Golbat. Heck, if Staravia becomes Staraptor soon, Ash might just bring back ol' Noctowl for training.

And in DP066 of course, we see Reiji's badges. The camera pans from right to left, showing the eight badges from Kanto, then Hoenn, then Sinnoh, then Johto. In order, the last games we got were FireRed and LeafGreen (Kanto), Emerald (Hoenn), Diamond and Pearl (Sinnoh). Next is Johto, and therefore GSDS.

...and Dawn may get a Swinub. FOUR?!

Paul
Torterra	Honchkrow	Weavile	Ursaring	Gliscor	Magmar

Paul also, as of the current time, has all but Torterra related to Gen II. Electabuzz and Magmar evolve from Elekid and Magby, Gliscor and Weavile evolve from Gligar and Sneasel, and Ursaring was introduced in Gen II.

And who could forget Marina. Sheesh, she's appeared in some form every 20 episodes or so. So it may be that Zoey won't get a Mismagius, but instead... Marina will be revealed to have evolved Little Miss... Ironic. Both of her known Pokémon besides her starter evolve by stone. TTEchidna 22:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Names?

While GSDS does sound good abbreviated, what's the full name, especially for the individual versions? Pokémon Gold DS and Pokémon Silver DS? No thanks, otherwise FRLG would be RGBA, which looks good abbreviated, as not only it represents the original Generation I games Red, Green, and Blue, in order, but also because GBA is the abbreviation for the Game Boy Advance. However, in practice, it'd be really just... not good to call it Pokémon Red Advance and Pokémon Green Advance.

Over and across the internet I've heard many names for remakes. ShinyGold, of course, is one of the many; it is the hack of FireRed and LeafGreen's ROM to be a Johto game. But what would be the counterpart? MalleableSilver? I've also heard Golden Sun and Silver Moon be suggested, but I don't think that Game Freak and Camelot are that close as to share names. So what would it be called?

Well, very obviously, the Sun/Moon reference would stay. After all, it's a connection that is made very far back, as gold represented the Sun as silver did the Moon to alchemists, and as Ho-Oh flies the skies as a phoenix, a Sun god, while Lugia watches over the sea, the tides of which the Moon controls. But since it could never be Golden Sun and Silver Moon, what could it be?

This is where looking back to FireRed and LeafGreen comes in. After all, the two were not named Red Fire and Green Leaf, it was FireRed and LeafGreen, due to the representation of the types on the original games: Venusaur was represented by a leaf, and Charizard by a flame. From this, we can derive that a Gold and Silver remake pair would be known as Pokémon SunGold Version and Pokémon MoonSilver Version. If you look further in, it becomes even easier to see: Red and Green can be named by one specific character each in Japanese: 赤, 緑. Likewise, Gold and Silver can be named by one character each: 金, 銀. FireRed, of course, can be represented by 火赤, while LeafGreen can be represented as 葉緑 (ironically, 葉緑 actually means chloroplast). So how does this connect? Well, 曜金 may literally mean "golden heavenly body", but it essentially means SunGold, with the first meaning "sun" and the second being "gold". 月銀, of course, translates correctly (bear in mind, I'm using Google's translator, because I suck) as MoonSilver.

But will it be Pokémon SunGold and MoonSilver? Who knows, though Nintendo has copyrighted Pokémon DuskGold and Pokémon DawnSilver. Despite this, no one knows if Nintendo will even make it. So we'll wait and see...

...doesn't mean I want to only see Route 29 on a GBC screen, though, Game Freak. Come on, guys! I wanna see GSDS, even if it might not officially be called either that or SGMS. Johto is, after all, my favorite region.