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Regions?

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like Shikoku, for instance?) --Tanaka Shimoya 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Not yet, but maybe soon.--Midnight Blue 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name I WOULD HAVE SAID SO. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. TTEchidna 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
The region's called Isshu. User:Empoleo

French intrawiki link

Hello ! Since this page is protected, can someone add Pokémon Noir et Blanc as french link, please ? Thanks Zhu' 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a French page, and there's also a German page. Somebody should definitely add those two. Wolf 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Worth noting?

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--Pkmn

Pokémon Gold and Silver were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So technically, Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --Pkmn
And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m - unsigned comment from EmpoleonMaster (talkcontribs)

While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. Pokemon1234567890 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. - unsigned comment from EmpoleonMaster (talkcontribs)

Vehicles

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P Dawnshadow 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? Pokemon1234567890 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. 梅子 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm.........Skateboard anybody? =P --Theryguy512 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. MaverickNate 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Irony

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after colours, were in greyscale, and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light shades of grey, are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit colour? Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. CuboneKing 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, technically, white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. Reign 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
They're all colors, except most of them are also mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- Professional Mole (Talk here) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --Solid! 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors Portuguese Old Man 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Not in light. the opposite is true! :P ShinyPikachu 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Gray Version

Do not discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a forum where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the last third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". TTEchidna 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --Zelrio 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. magikarp123193 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Dude, old discussion is old.--Pokélova! 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White

As seen in recent Pokémon news, shiny legendary beasts, to be given away at the new movie's premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, Pokémon Platinum, and Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by Raikou, Suicune and Entei. Raikou will know Zap Cannon, Aura Sphere, and Weather Ball and will hold the Micle berry; Suicune will know Sheer Cold, Air Slash, and Aqua Ring and will hold the Rowap berry; and Entei will know Flare Blitz, Howl, and Crush Claw and will hold the Custap berry. All three will also know ExtremeSpeed.

Please add this! - 050294 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some Pikachu animated billboards.

Video seen here. - 050294 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You sure that was animated? CuboneKing 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –MasterKenobi 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - 050294 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... Blade Bro.
Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —darklordtrom 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

What Is This For?

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs? User:Legendary Catcher 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Not confirmed yet, I don't think. Littlmiget123 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. CuboneKing 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. Reign 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
And it says so in the article. Wow!
This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —darklordtrom 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Tentative websites

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--immewnitythemew 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official. These are the sites.--immewnitythemew 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --|6259 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Isshu Region

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. - unsigned comment from Pokemonemerfan1954 (talkcontribs)

Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —darklordtrom 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Starter Pics

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. CodyDelis

Sprites

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Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. Reign 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded. Jello 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

New site link

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) Ztobor 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, the site redirects. Ztobor 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


Images

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! T-SAN! 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --Coolピカチュウ! 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... CuboneKing 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --T☆MMYSAN! 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --Coolピカチュウ! 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- MAGNEDETH 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--immewnitythemew 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

New Pokemon

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--Skaisdead 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫ティナ 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on the Japanese site as well. Mefredbob 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? - unsigned comment from Skaisdead (talkcontribs)
No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the Boxarts have been revealed ShinyPikachu 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

European release date

Spring 2011 as well TheChrisD RantsEdits 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). Memo326 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--KurowaSan 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[1] Jello 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Website Links

Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) 6259 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--immewnitythemew 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--immewnitythemew 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. 6259 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--immewnitythemew 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--immewnitythemew 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — AxxonntheAwesometrainer 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

No. HGSS were the first games...--Psyライダー 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan? (Ataro 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))

Why here though? Irrelevant... ht14 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my sandbox. Jello 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

DS or 3DS

Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page Nintendo 3DS, and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

Tetrix 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --AndyPKMN 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


Zekrom Link

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--MewSoul 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Slight edit.

The first paragraphs of the article:

In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.

In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. wat 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Names in other languages

In other languages

Language Title
Japan Flag.png Japanese ポケットモンスター ブラック・ホワイト
France Flag.png French Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
Germany Flag.png German Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
Italy Flag.png Italian Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
Spain Flag.png Spanish Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? ポケモンあいこうか 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... ポケモンあいこうか 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --SnorlaxMonster 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - JWhitt 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. Werdnae (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

3D Buildings?

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? Pawsrent 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


Release date!

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --Jonouchi 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Inverted Pairings

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are inverted. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--Arima 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is some Honkey shit crap. --Zelrio 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --KengoMel 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Chiramyi

Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer

  • Features
    • Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
    • PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
  • Pokémon
    • A fawn
    • A swan
    • Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (miru, to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
  • Moves
    • Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
    • Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
    • Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
    • Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
    • Waterlog (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
  • Trainer classes
    • American football player
    • Nurse
    • Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
    • Baker
    • Tightrope walker?
  • Places
    • Battle Subway

Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


No walking Pokémon??

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --Brats817 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. たかはり 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Removing features.

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --Proctor 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --SnorlaxMonster 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

EP links

The Spanish link should instead lead to es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca, and the Portuguese link that should be there is pt:Pokémon Black e White. --SnorlaxMonster 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Infobox game

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? Masatoshi: Gen. II>All. Discuss. 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --Gοldenpelt 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--SnorlaxMonster 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --Gοldenpelt 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Watch

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info. [2] --Landfish7 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. ~ solaris 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, it's been already mentioned in the news here. ht14 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Famitsu

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no? MN69 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score. --SnorlaxMonster 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Korea

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --Maxim 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)".

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ Sawamular101 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --Maxim 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Platinum Entries?

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--Black Yin Zekrom 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --CoolPikachu! 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--Black Yin Zekrom 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Release date

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 Ataro 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --SnorlaxMonster 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. Blake Talk·Edits 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --HoennMaster 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Back to Basics

Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --HoennMaster 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

C-Gear

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --Jdthebud 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. Werdnae (talk) 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --Jdthebud 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION?

As above.--444Zekrom 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Shroomish

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --ケンジガール 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

US Release Date

I recently found that the US release date for Pokémon Black and White Versions, which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --Galladequaza

No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --AndyPKMN 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --HoennMaster 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

A Bit More Trivia

In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? Veggietable 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Australian Release Date

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. Mr. Maril Of Oldale 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —darklordtrom 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring Mr. Maril Of Oldale 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Characters' History

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview here and here, but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? tc²₆tc26 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible English Release date

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for Sunday April 17, 2011 This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. --Pokemaster97 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. --Pokemaster97 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --HoennMaster 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

New PBW Template

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —強力な河川! 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --SnorlaxMonster 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


{{Infobox_game}} template

Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap colorscheme and bordercolorscheme, titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --ЫъГЬ 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

How's that? Werdnae (talk) 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Battle Revolution Compatability?

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do ChknNuggets 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. Bluesun 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivia: Catching version mascot?

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in Ruby/Sapphire the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in HeartGold/SoulSilver the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to catch their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --Stratelier 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --SnorlaxMonster 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I guess my issue was stumbling over the phrasing of "if the pokemon is not caught" (which could technically occur three ways: Not battled yet, fled from battle, or knocked it out). I know editing Trivia sections is discouraged at this time, but by now I've thought up a better (and shorter!) way for phrasing it and I want to get it out of my head before I forget. --Stratelier 18:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

?

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --Sanni 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Any console with "DS" in its name works.----無限の知性DENNOUZENSHI 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Glitch

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. T a r o m o n 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --HoennMaster 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. Werdnae (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


Trivia

The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours (Matty19892009 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))

New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? Werdnae (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --Bee § Bwakka 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --SnorlaxMonster 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [3] The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[4]Sawamular101 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Game Informer Review

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--Marchbaby 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--Marchbaby 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —darklordtrom 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

Music

Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* PoketoaTheFirefox 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Doubtful source.

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[5]Sawamular101 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

James Turner is not American. James Turner is a British. The source is Nintendo Dream vol.205. Sawamular101 01:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

James Turner should really have his own article too. --SnorlaxMonster 02:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
He is a game director now. [[6]]Sawamular101 03:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Time after the other generations?

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought Robster10 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Fourth paragraph of the Generation V article:
Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
Minimiscience 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page. Robster10 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


Special DSi Bundle

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. NotSteve 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --NotSteve 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
GAME in the UK have been advertising them for about two weeks or so. Bluesun 01:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon Black and White getting new features on the 3DS?

As we know now, the the 3DS has been released in Japan (http://ds.ign.com/articles/115/1152699p1.html). I remember reading back on IGN that Pokemon Black and White would get more features than just the DSi's features only if played on the 3DS instead (can't find the page to link to, but I swear I saw something like that). Has anyone actually tested Black or White on a 3DS to see if anything gets added? I know the games have Infrared, but the 3DS only has that. If we find 3DS exclusive features, maybe we could note that in the article somewhere. RedLuigi 00:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

IGN was wrong. The creators of the games confirmed there were no 3DS features. --HoennMaster 05:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe that it has the same enhancements that it has on Nintendo DSi and Nintendo DSi XL, where it uses the camera, and this is where the misconception came from. --SnorlaxMonster 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. No wonder I couldn't find the article for it, IGN probably deleted it after realizing their mistake. RedLuigi 16:40, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

3rd March

It should also be added that people who pre-ordered early online with GAME in the UK got their copy of the game today (in most cases) Daniel1993 used to be Robbo5002 19:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. It's very common for some people to get the games early. --HoennMaster 20:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

White and Black? Where did that come from?

"These games are being advertised as "White and Black" instead of Black and White at Toys "R" Us."

Um, I work at Toys "R" Us, and I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. They're being advertised as "Black and White", just like they are everywhere else. I even have a promotional display from Toys "R" Us that I got to take home that I'm looking at right now, and guess what is says? Not "White and Black".

And even if that was true, it seems like rather useless trivia, much like most of the trivia on this wiki... Seriously, a page shouldn't have 30 lines of trivia. Tyeforce 22:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

In what country do you work in?That Sammich Omnomnom Rangers lead the way. 22:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
United States. Why? Tyeforce 23:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Different stores in different countries might do other things, such as this trivia piece.That Sammich Omnomnom Rangers lead the way. 00:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Seriously, It's just switched around. It's not notable trivia. Please let's end this discussion. --Pokemaster97 00:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I aree with --Pokemaster97 on ths one that it is not notable and should be deleted even if iis true. noticed ialready has and I am hay to see that was deleted.--Marchbaby 15:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Probably not worth it in the trivia section but..

This probably isn't worth noting in the trivia section (and we don't have an Instruction Booklet article), but on page 28 of the NA White version instruction booklet it has a spelling mistake - it says "informaiton" instead of "information". Thought I'd point that out in case someone finds it trivia worthy. Xxcom9a 02:27, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that this is not the case in the Australian version. --SnorlaxMonster 02:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
And it's not the case for the American Pokémon Black Version either. You mean the red text on the bottom, right? --Enervation 17:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the Blacklist of names...

It seems to be unchanged from the Japanese version, which only covers words up to 5 letters long. IE: I was able to name my Purrloin 'Asshole' because I wanted to test if it was updated. It doesn't look like it was. It sort of makes the blacklist ineffective. Yabukuron 22:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Uncheatable

I'm not sure, but this may be trivia worthy. My Action Reply DSi doesn't seem to work with White or Black (on a side note, White doesn't even really fit). Anyway, I tried to use my Action Replay to make a Wild Togekiss appear (I got bored) but when I clicked "Boot game with codes" it just froze. Trivia worthy as being uncheatable?--Darknesslover5000 01:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You need to upgrade your AR to the latest version or it doesn't work. So no, it isn't "uncheatable". --ケンジガール 03:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Maniacs

I was wondering if it would be useful to have a page on the various Maniacs found around Unova. Not the trainer class(es), but those guys who buy sellable items at a higher price, and each has an item that only they'll buy (for eg, the mushroom maniac buys all Mushroom items for twice(?) their usual value, and BalmMushroom for 25,000). I'm not nearly competent enough at Wiki editing to make the page myself though - Raylax 14:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete?

Just a little question:how is this article still incomplete? It has a ton of info. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 22:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Eh... Never mind... :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 00:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Volbeat

As Illumise is found in exclusively White, I would assume that Volbeat is exclusive to Black? The "Exclusive to Black Version" list is one Pokémon shorter than the "Exclusive to White Version" list, and that wouldn't make sense. I don't have Black Version, so I can't test this. EnosShayremTalk 22:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, quoting the bullet points under the lists, "While Volbeat and Illumise are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively..." But, I don't want to wrongfully edit things, and I like to be sure. EnosShayremTalk 23:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Volbeat's page says that it's found in Black, so screw it, I'm editing it. EnosShayremTalk 23:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
That isn't very nice to say... :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 23:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Ninja'd by the person asking the question. Anyways, yes, go ahead an add it. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Why not? :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 23:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Volbeat can be obtained by breeding an Illumise in White. So it is not a version exclusive. XVuvuzela2010X 23:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I do believe that breeding should not be a factor in deducting if a Pokémon is a version-exclusive, but that's just my 2 cents. It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 23:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
"Version exclusive" refers to Pokémon unobtainable in the wild in certain games, V. Otherwise none of them would be version exclusives due to trading and the fact that some in-game trainers have them. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Thats not what it means, Version Exclusive refers to Pokemon unobtainable in one version (Black for example) without trading with the other version (White). XVuvuzela2010X 00:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't agree, but I haven't had enough sleep to argue right now so I'm getting off. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

If Volbeat should be added, then Pokemon such as Caterpie and Weedle need to be removed, since they're found in the game via breeding only. Toujours 18:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Nope, Caterpie and Weedles evo's are version exclusive, thus meaning they are too. Volbeat is not. XVuvuzela2010X 22:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
However Caterpie can be obtained in Pokémon Black by breeding a Butterfree from the Pokémon Dream World. This, however, is not the case with Beedrill. So shouldn't that be noted as well? --Enervation 17:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Here's the full list of Pokémon that are normally version exclusive but can be obtained through the Pokémon Dream World: Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Murkrow, Honchkrow, Poochyena, Mightyena, Pidgey, Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂, Porygon (Japanese event), Togekiss (event), Mareep, Hoppip, Wooper, Lotad, Surskit, Marill, Corphish, Starly, and Shinx. --Enervation 18:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know, we're excluding the Dream World from affecting version-exclusives. Like with the Pokéwalker (I don't know if it did actually affect version exclusives, but if it did we would ignore it). --SnorlaxMonster 12:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
MeowthSS and SableyeHG are found on the Pokewalker, but only on event routes. I was actually thinking about adding Dream World Exclusives to the Version Exclusives page? XVuvuzela2010X 17:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Separate letters?

Is it notable trivia to say that they are the first paired versions not to share at least one letter in their names? Even the third versions share at least one letter with their respective first and second versions. SpearBeedrill 01:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

No, I think that's an example of trivia that's not notable at all. --AndyPKMN (talk) 11:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

What?

"The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White."

What? I didn't notice this at all when I played through them. Is there an interview or something to confirm the developer's intent? Shiny Noctowl 15:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions#Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White --SnorlaxMonster 16:32, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Sequels

Shouldn't we add that these are the first Pokemon games to have direct sequels, and at the top say: If you were looking for the sequels to Black and White, see Pokemon Black and White 2 ? Volcronaperson 21:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

How direct do we know the sequels to be? Do we know them to be any more direct than third versions? As for the second question, people looking for Pokémon Black and White 2 would not search for Black and White without the 2. --SnorlaxMonster 12:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm playing Devil's Advocate here: What if someone looking for B2 and/or W2 didn't know there was a difference between B and B2/W and W2 or forgot to put in the 2 or something like that? Then what? Pikachu9000 06:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
If they don't know there is a difference between BW and B2W2, how are they searching specifically for B2W2? Werdnae (talk) 06:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Well we should at least put on the BW disambiguation page: If you were looking for the sequels to Black and White, see Pokemon Black and White 2. Just in case someone does really forget the 2. Volcronaperson 01:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not going to look for something that has a "2" after its name looking for the original because it is obvious that the "2" makes it a sequel. I will put it on the "BW" page though. --SnorlaxMonster 06:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Censored Nicknames

Trivia says that the games don't allow you to nickname your Pokémon with blacklisted names. Do they censor the nicknames of Pokémon traded forward from previous versions? - poikins 19:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The censor only applies when attempting to nickname a Pokémon, name the player, name a box, etc. Since the nickname is already set, it is unaffected; however the GTS has a censor built in too, but it works in a different way, so it is unlikely that these Pokémon will be able to be traded over the GTS. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Spites

We should put moving sprites for bw in every sprite,at least for ones from unova.--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 08:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

We would, but we need to actually obtain the sprites with the correct dimensions and as APNGs before we can. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

We can at least put a video.--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 09:26, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Video...? You mean recording the sprites raw and use them like that? It's not a good idea. I believe you mean rip an animated sprite? It's still a bit hard to do, if you want to get on it, then by all means try it. Also, please indent your comments from now on using a colon (:). Masatoshitalk 09:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Videos are absolutely not going on the species or move pages. The videos that had crept onto the move pages were a major factor contributing to the loading issues we had. For the people that say it's fixed by the movelist change: they weren't loading even after we changed the template. As soon as we removed the videos, they loaded. Werdnae (talk) 19:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
We can publish it on the main page,editors hub,etc.Many users can help us.We can even start a project about it.Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 07:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Why are not animated GIFs used instead of APNGs? The former has much wider compatibility (from being so old) and all the patent issues have expired (for the same reason). EdwardV 16:20, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess we should ask someone who is a pro.All this goes over my head.--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 07:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

C-Gear Battery?

When the game is played on the DS, the battery meter on the C-Gear has two sections (one less than the one on the DS main menu), whereas when it is played on the 3DS, the meter has three sections (one less than the one on the 3DS Home menu). I don't know the specifics for the DSL and DSi/DSi XL, but I'm sure they're similar. Worth mentioning? Ṕїґαкα~Ṃḯṧтїкα 01:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

It's probably that way because empty is the lowest it goes on the C-Gear, while on the home menu on the consoles it stops at one bar. --SnorlaxMonster 07:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but it's just interesting that the graphics change depending on what system you play it on. Ṕїґαкα~Ṃḯṧтїкα 18:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Pokemon not in Black/White

What pokemon are not in Black/White? --Sapphowako 22:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Version-exclusive section, this is what it's there for. --HoennMaster 04:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

What about pokemon that you cannot get in the games unless you transfered them, like the Hoenn Starters? --Sapphowako 01:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Since those Pokémon are not included in the games without transfer, it's not listed on this page. You can see how to obtain them by visiting their respective pages. --Pokemaster97 01:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

The word 'Prequel'

You cannot call Pokémon Black and White Versions prequels. In order for the games to be prequels, they would have had to be released after Pokémon Black and White Versions 2. I tried correcting this, but somebody decided to change it back. Could whoever did this please stop this and remember this for future use.

Also, here's the actual definition for the word.

pre·quel/ˈprēkwəl/ Noun: A story or movie containing events that precede those of an existing work.

Thank-you. - unsigned comment from ‎Blagdenwhiteraven (talkcontribs)

Final boss

  • Black and White are the first main series games in which the region's Champion is not the final boss before the credits.

Is final boss really the appropriate word to use in this situation? I would hardly consider anyone in the Pokémon games to be considered a boss. --NOBODY (talk) 00:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how it's not; "boss" isn't the usual term the Pokemon fandom uses because we have more specific ones (Gym Leader, Elite Four, Champion, villainous team leader, etc), but it's still accurate. To quote Wikipedia, Boss battles are generally seen at the climax of a particular section of the game, usually at the end of a stage or level, or guarding a specific objective, and the boss enemy is generally far stronger than the opponents the player has faced up to that point.[3] Gym Leaders and the Champion fit all these criteria:
  • climax of a section of the game - Defeating Gym Leaders allows the player to move into new areas of the world either through HM field moves or by lifting roadblocks, and by and large (though not without exception), the Gym is the most climactic or final occurrence in a city. The Champion, of course, is the climax of the entire game.
  • guarding a specific objective - Badges, of course.
  • stronger than previous opponents - Gym Leaders' Pokemon, of course, tend to have higher levels than other Trainers in their Gym and in the surrounding area.
Just because we don't generally use the term "boss" in the fandom doesn't mean these characters aren't bosses. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

more canon

Which one is? I don't see that mentioned anywhere.--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Bump--Elveonora (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing has ever been said about which one is more canon. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 13:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)