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Correct me if i'm wrong but i can remember a picture of the generation 2 mom.--Pokéboy93 15:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The Cleaner Mom

Isn't there a artwork for a mom in HeartGold, or is it like Prof. Mom in Generation 4?--The Bulb's Master 20:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

So far, we don't know if there's new artwork for a Mom in HeartGold and SoulSilver. She'll probably get updated art in the HeartGold and SoulSilver guidebook when it comes out along with the games in the US since she's the only character other than the 8 Johto Gym Leaders that hasn't gotten her art updated yet to match Ken Sugimori's current style. --Dialgafan1 22:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry

I come from england, well guess the rest. But could we change this page's name to mother. To be fair. Lunick v sonela 11:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree i am from england and we don't say mom we say mum or mother. Roryrules123 2:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You can't say mum though. Lunick v sonela 15:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm from New Zealand, and while that name sounds worse than nails on a blackboard (chalkboard?), it's her in-game name. Remember Generation II? "Sent some to Mom!"? —darklordtrom 20:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I know that. Lunick v sonela 06:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Well that's why it's at this name. —darklordtrom 21:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
While old discussion is old, this is relevant. Now that HGSS is released, even though the game still says "Sent some to Mom!", in the Pokégear phone she is listed as Mother. I'm going to suggest that we move this page to 'mother', which seems to be a more logical name for the player's mother anyway. Mother is even used throughout the article regardless. --SnorlaxMonster 09:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Why change something that has already been decided, well it may not sound right in some peoples ears, but what does the name matter? Sorry, but it's a waist of time! asherb0y'
Well, I'm not suggesting that we only change it because it sounds different to different people, but I think that the Pokégear phone would be more reliable than that one line of ingame text after every battle (assuming you have told her to save your money). Mother is slightly less personal than mom. The article itself often opts for mother over mom (or mum) because it sounds much less awkward. Finally, mother is a slightly (notice slightly) better translation of the Japanese name. --SnorlaxMonster 10:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I vote for "Mother" because that's what she's called in the PokéGear. --ZestyCactus 20:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll say that we should call her 'Mother' based on the fact that it's how she's registered in the Pokégear. Generation II called her 'Mom' and to keep it current, we should change it to 'Mother.' KurosakisTwin 17:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
But didn't gen 4 also call her "Mom"? Thus, it should be kept the same because that would be the way it is in the dialog, so it is both current, and staying with the original name.
sorry, forgot to sign Mikkim 23:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
But it also lists her as mother in the Pokégear. Lt. Surge is simply called Surge (at least when trading, thats all I remember) and his Pikachu's OT is Surge, but the Pokégear lists him as Lt. Surge. Are we gonna change his article to just Surge?--Pokélova! 23:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
You still send some to mom in Gen IV, for whatever that's worth. But Mother would make a nicely generic title, especially since it's often linked as [[Mom|mother]]. —darklordtrom 00:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I think we should have a vote.--Pokélova! 00:09, 4 September 2010

(resetting indent) I'm pretty sure the title Mother is used in the Pokégear because it is a formal title, and the Pokégear is a formal machine. Basically, I think the player refers to their own mother as mom. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 00:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

And they refer to Lt. Surge as Surge, but we aren't moving him.--Pokélova! 00:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Well I was basically saying that just for the sake of argument. I'm neutral on this matter, mostly because the difference between Lt. Surge and Surge can work both ways. On one side, one could argue that Lieutenant is called that by the "narrator". It's the game itself and no character from inside the game, meaning it could be official. The other could argue that it could still be a formal or informal title. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 00:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Berries

She seems to buy a lot of rare berries in HG/SS. Usually batches of 5 of the anti-super-effective berries, I find.Darien Shields 18:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

It's true! I got some of the Tanga Berries. --SaitoFX 06:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that's all she buys now, the damage reducing berries. *looks at page* Holy Crap, that hasn't been updated since HGSS! You can't even decorate you bedroom in HGSS. I'll fix that now. Werdnae (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I got non-berry stuff from her, but can't remember what it was. —darklordtrom 06:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Ah. I couldn't remember whether she did or not, I haven't got a non-berry item from her in aaaaaaaaaaages. I think she must only buy them at the start, then she switches to berries after a certain point. (Thinking about it, maybe I got a Great Ball? Not sure) Werdnae (talk) 07:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I once got a Moon Stone from her. I think I may have also gotten a Super Potion as well, but I honestly can't remember. Mudkipchan 07:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I've changed it so it now says
occasionally buys decorations for the bedroom (G/S/C), or damage reducing berries (HG/SS) or items such as Super Potions.
But more information would be nice, it should probably go on the items' pages. Werdnae (talk) 07:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the randomest crap from her. 9/10 times it's Berries, but she's also bought me two Focus Sashes, some evolution stones... --ZestyCactus 13:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Silk Scarf and Moon Stone are the most exciting ones I remember, but I've also got Great Balls and Super Potions. Oh, and berries. —darklordtrom 10:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Mom in Black and White

In trivia, it saids that Johanna was the only mother to leave her hometown. In Black and White this is no longer true, cause the mother in Black and White meets the player on Route 2.--Mattii 18:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

If you see a trivia point which is no longer true, youd don't need to ask. Just go ahead and remove it. Stating the reason in the edit summary will be fine. Werdnae (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Page move to "mother"

I don't think it's a good idea to move this page to "mother" as every game calls her as "mom". Rather go with the common name rather than a formal name? EelamStyleZ Discuss 03:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Mother is what she s listed as in the Pokégear. It seems to casual and personal to call her "mom". Not to mention that most links here are [[Mom|mother]] anyway, since encyclopedicly "mom" is not appropriate. --SnorlaxMonster 14:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Mom is just the informal word for Mother, so it really makes no difference since they both mean the same thing. If I recall correctly the Motherly figure in the Generation I games were referred to as "Mom" in dialogue, hence the title of this page. —MasterKenobi 19:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I actually think "Mother" sounds... hmmm... more respectful? So.... yeah.... "HAPPY MOTHERS DAY! ♥" sounds better than, "HAPPY MOMS DAY! ♥" See?! ----Sushi (Talk) 03:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
She was refereed to as "Mom" on Mom's Kindness (Majestic Dawn 83). MaverickNate 13:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Since she's referred to as both in game, it seems "Mother" would be most appropriate. Ikarishipper900 23:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The player character calls her Mom because he/she is her son. As we are only describing a character in an article, so we should call her Mother as we are not her children. And still redirect "Mom" to the page, of course. |) u |( e 23:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I was going to sat keep it at Mom, but then |) u |( e made a very good point. We are NOT her children, and we don't know most of their names, we should probably keep it at Mother, because it's more formal, closer to what your average wiki would have it as, and we are NOT her children. EvilKirikizan speaking! 22:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Did we ever reach any agreement on this? I agree with trom's point above that when you talk to her in the games, it calls her Mom, not Mother. (I seem to recall her being under "Mom" in the Pokégear too, isn't that right? --ZestyCactus 00:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
By the looks of it, the majority wants this moved to mother. I disagree with the move as she is refered to as mom in the games, and I think other characters in game refer her as "You mom" instead of "Your Mother".--ForceFire 00:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Actually, she was referred to as "Mother" in the Pokégear (at least in HGSS). --SnorlaxMonster 16:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, she was. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

MOVE TO MOTHER

This should be moved to Mother. After all, in the game she IS called Mother, right? That is my statement. And another thing, just put a COPY of the thing as "Mom" and put a link (like related or something) to "Mother". Easy. waterlubber 23:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

THE game? Which game? Besides, BW uses "Mom". I saw so after beating White again. For the sake of the situation I'm referring to, ignore the quotes (Thanks a lot for complicating this, Looker)--SandmanDP 00:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I have HG and on the Pokégear it refers to her as Mother...I think. And BTY, it said to tell what I wanted in the talk page so I did. Big deal. I don't have B/W waterlubber 00:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Black and White are the newest main series games and thus we use what the newest games call them. HGSS also has "Sent some to Mom!" when it comes to saving money. The page ain't going anywhere--SandmanDP 00:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

And neither is my opinion. JUST MAKE 2 DARNED PAGES!!! OR A REDIRECT! OR A PROGRAM THAT FIGURES OUT WHICH PAGE DO YOU VISIT THE MOST BY USING YOUR IP OR SOMETHING!!! waterlubber 00:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Chill, bro. SandmanDP is right, this page isn't getting moved. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 00:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Why make a duplicate page? Filler? And a redirect already exists so please calm down--SandmanDP 00:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The purpose of making redirects is to have more than two articles that might differ slightly to be joined together. Mother redirects to mom, which is what the player calls her as. I side with SandmanDP here, I'm sorry but Mom will stay as the article. Also, there's no need to get angry. (Would you guys mind indenting the comments? I get confused and I don't know who is talking and who isn't...) Masatoshitalk 00:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Actually he has a point. As SnorlaxMonster stated above it's unencyclopedic to call the page "Mom". Of course it's called Mom in the games, because in the games you are playing in a first person perspective. Otherwise since we don't use other first person pronouns like "You" instead of "Players" I think that the option to move the page should not be shot down. --Pokemaster97 00:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Except calling Mother "Mom" doesn't break the fourth wall. Also, your logic involves moving Alder to Unova Champion, because that's his formal title--SandmanDP 00:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Well that's diffrent. Alder is his born name, a proper noun, while Mom is not. But if Masatoshi says it shouldn't be moved I'll respect his decision. I just think some of the reasoning in the above section should be looked into furthur. --Pokemaster97 00:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Well I meant for now, unless a consensus is made. In my opinion, it should be left as Mom, but if you want and try to suggest the change with a poll, then by all means do so. From what I'm reading, seemingly there was a consensus on changing it over Mother, but nothing was done in that time. Since it's happened a more than twelve months ago, a new poll should be created. Let's see what happens this time. Masatoshitalk 00:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Again, you said you wanted formal. Alder is not formal. Look at the Xtransceiver, with the player's mom programming her own number in, just like in HGSS's Pokegear. Never referred to as "Mother", always Mom. End of story--SandmanDP 00:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm looking at the HGSS Pokegear right now, and it says "Mother" and we don't use "Unova champion" because we alreadyhave a page about the champions, Alder's page is about him in general. It's why George Bush's page on wikipedia isn't called "Former U.S. President". It's just morally correct to call it "Mother" rather than "Mom. --Pokemaster97 01:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
You just completely contradicted yourself and missed my point. You're saying Steven would be moved to Hoenn Champion 1 and Wallace be moved to Hoenn Champion 2. You're going for formal titles based on one set of games in the previous generation. The Xtransceiver even says Mom. End of story. And yes, Mom is capitalized in "Sent some to Mom" and thus used as a proper noun--SandmanDP 01:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

What point are you trying to make then? Explain and I'll listen. Because all your doing is trying to tear down every single point I make. --Pokemaster97 01:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The page is staying at Mom because that is what Black & White uses at all times, including the Xtransceiver and the minute the player walks downstairs and encounters Looker--SandmanDP 01:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Well ok I see your point there. I guess we can just see what other people think about it. --Pokemaster97 01:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I think the page should stay at Mom. A majority of the games calls her Mom except for HGSS(only on the PokéGear) and DPPt(given an actual name). If a majority of games, including the most recent ones, have her name as Mom, that should be how it stays. Funktastic~! 02:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I think it should stay at "Mom" as well. Not just because its what the games call her, but because that's what the players call her. If someone were to come here looking for her page, he or she is most likely to search for "Mom". Now, I understand we could just set up a redirect, but I don't see the point. This is a community driven encyclopedia, and that's what most of the community knows her as best. Yes, it might be a little unencyclopedic, but I think that's okay in this case. That's my opinion, at least. Crystal Talian 04:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Forget what I said before. Mom and Mother are pretty interchangable. I support it staying. --Pokemaster97 16:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, in the games like HeartGold, it's saying: "Player sent some money to Mom" so it sounds pretty much like rank. So actualy I can't see difference between Mom and Mother after all! I'm not staff member, but I think It should stay like this! TheSeviper ♫ハブネーク♫ 21:45, 13 April 2012 (GMT)
Isn't this a good day to solve this matter once for all? I think it should be moved, but if a date is not defined to decide this, this page will be in the Candidates for moving category forever. |) u |( e ® 23:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Come on people, let's move it. (and by that i mean move the discussion along.) i think it should stay. _Volcronaperson_ 23:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

MOTHER (in all caps) is also the name of the video game series EarthBound is a part of. If I remember correctly, the reason for calling pages on a species of pokemon "species name (Pokémon)" instead of just "species name" is that we wanted to keep the option of branching out into non-pokemon related stuff. Because the pokemon games can be seen as a spiritual successor to the MOTHER series we should probably keep the option open of making a page on that, and having this page stay at "Mom" would make things less confusing if we did. Idya Ran 10:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

We have never had any intention of branching out into non-Pokémon-related stuff. NIWA serves a purpose similar to what you are referring to (in this case WikiBound). If we ever did want to make an article about the video game series MOTHER (which I don't see happening), it would be made at "MOTHER (series)", while this page would stay at "Mother" with a "If you were looking for..." message at the top of the page linking to it. Regardless, the extremely unlikely possibility of us making a page on the MOTHER series is not relevant to this discussion. --SnorlaxMonster 08:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
This discussion started over a year ago. I think a deadline should be used for this matter, like a stabilished date for the decision. I don't use the forums, but maybe a poll for the users would count. |) u |( e ® 17:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Crystal's Mother

I think that she deserve her own page, despite her short appearence until now, she has a lot of personality and she owns a Wobbufet and a Azumarill. But because of these discussions I don't know if the name would be Crystal's Mom or Mother.--Igor (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing about Crystal's Mother that requires a whole page. It all fits into a (small) section of this one. Better to have a single quality article than twenty stubs. Werdnae (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me, Werdnae, but if it's acceptable that a one-time character like this has her own page, I think that an article about a recurring character wouldn't be a bad idea at all. |) u |( e ® 00:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Quality over quantity. Why should we have a teensy little page about Crystal's Mom, when all that information can go into a section of this page to make this one a better article? I'll say for Crystal's Mom what I say for every single request to make pages like this: Expand the section. there's a place to put that info, so put it there. If it becomes so huge (without becoming a blow-by-blow of her appearances) that it no longer fits on this page, then it can be considered for splitting off.
Also, for the record, "We have <insert existing page here> so why not <insert proposed page here>?" is not a viable argument. All it does is make me think that we need to do something about the existing page. Werdnae (talk) 03:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
So you got my point, it was not an argument, but a complaint about the Project COD. Well, I won't get into a matter of anime > manga, but these things are really incoherent in BP. Sorry to mix different subjects, but I've been thinking about this for a while. |) u |( e ® 03:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

B2W2 Xtransceiver quotes

Quotes missing from XY?

I'm playing through Pokémon X now, can anyone tell me exactly what quotes are missing from the Kalos Mom? Or should I find out myself? TeudowEthan (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Quotes

I believe the quotes for Moms with their own page (Johanna, Grace) be deleted and left on their own page in order to remove redundant content. Thoughts? - Chosen of Mana 18:15, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

You could also do the opposite. I feel like this page should have "priority" and collect all the quotes for all the moms. (I think whichever page you remove it from should still have a link directly to the page/section where the quotes can still be found, though.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I think the inverse — this is an overview page for several moms, so there's no reason for it to have lots of specific information when a separate article about an individual mom could have that info. As article scopes get broader, the specificity of the info we list on them should lessen (provided that there is an article with narrower scope onto which we can move the info not on the broader-scope article). But I agree that the article without info should link to the one with it, definitely. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Probably the biggest reason I think it'd be "better" for all the quotes to be here is it increases the chance of someone noticing incomplete information for something they weren't specifically looking for. If Grace's quotes are incomplete but that's on her page, someone just seeing this page wouldn't know it. I just like the idea of increasing the chances of someone deciding to add information. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


HGSS saving amounts

I just stored 130568 dollars all at once and I got everything up to the choice scarf Pokemonisawesome2 (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Another discussing on moving the article to its formal title

This shouldn't boil down to what the game uses to refer to the character. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia; as such, "mother" is the right choice because it's formal and thus encyclopedic. SatoMew 21:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the infobox's "name" parameter is supposed to be the same as the page title, but if so, I definitely support keeping the page at "Mom". That character is the player's mother, yes, but if you refer to her, it should either be "Mom" or "(the) player's mother", fully descriptively.
...And, after having typed that, I think that pretty well describes my opinion. I think there is only one set of characters referred to as Mom, and that is the player's mom/mother. But just "Mother" is broader than "Mom"/the player's mother. I would definitely support moving this page to "(The) Player's mother" before I would support moving it to "Mother". And I think it'd be a toss-up for me between that and "Mom"... Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
But naming the article "The player's mother" would render it inaccurate when referring to mother characters outside of the games. Your suggestion would make sense if the article was split into smaller articles, each one for mother characters in another canon (anime, manga series, etc.), and renamed to something like "Mother (game)". SatoMew 22:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I suppose that's a point. Then the only acceptable title IMO is "Mom". "Mother" alone is simply too broad. And I don't mean the anime/manga/etc canons. I mean it doesn't have to refer to the player's mothers (or those of the player's counterparts). It could as well apply to Brock's mother, when I think it should by very specific and targeted, only about the player's mom (and counterparts' moms...). (I'm sure others have called their mother "Mom", but it's easily most identifiable with the player's mom.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I fail to see how "mom" is less broad than "mother". The games preferring the informal term is irrelevant since it's not used as a name but as a title. Bulbapedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia so the formal term is the one that should be used. SatoMew 22:37, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Without any context, sure, neither "mom" nor "mother" is more or less broad than the other. But in the context of Pokemon and especially the games, the prominence of the player's mom and her consistent naming as such makes "Mom" more likely to refer to her than anyone else's mother. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I probably should have looked more carefully before I leapt. When I browsed the diff for your big edit, I only noticed the main protagonist (players and/or their counterparts) moms, and otherwise I only glanced at the table of contents before concluding it was (surely) just about protagonists. (The games section is certainly big enough...) But checking the page carefully now, I see that Brock's mother is indeed on here. In which case...I guess I don't have an opinion. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)