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Talk:Meloetta (Pokémon)

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Evolution section

Shouldn't we change the header to "Forme Change" on Pokémon like this and Shaymin? It's not technically correct, and really threw me for a loop when I noticed the header. --AndyPKMN 01:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess we could. But it is used instead of just having it by itself in the evolution box, so we would need to put a new one in to show that it doesn't evolve. --SnorlaxMonster 12:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Description

Ok, nevermind cleared up

Possible name origin

Depending on how "Meloetta" is pronounced (I can't read Japanese), could it possibly be derived from "Alouette," or is that just crazy talk? --Minimiscience 02:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Meh-low-eh-ta Ataro 02:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
That is sort of how the song is pronounced except for the Meh part. But I can't be sure that it's an origin. --ケンジガール 02:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually it's more Ah-lou-et.--MisterE13 02:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Listen, it is like this; MEL-OH-ETT-AH. Simples. Ancient Song is brilliant. ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♥♪♫♪♫ =D UnovaMusketeerTrio 23:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's derived from "Alouette" -- it may sound similar, but that suffix is French and doesn't actually have any ties to music (other than being the title of a song). "-etta" is an Italian suffix. As some of you may know, Italian words are commonly used in music to describe form, structure, dynamics, articulation, tempo, etc. "-etta" means "little" in Italian. For example, a coda (or "tail") is the the end of a musical work. A codetta (or "little tail") is similar to a coda, but it is usually shorter, not as grand, and usually only ends a smaller portion of the work -- not the entire piece. My assumption is that "-etta" with respect to Meloetta's name is a reference to her size, as well as the already stated fact that it's common at the ends of female names of Italian origin. "Little Melody" - Raycrp 06:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Appearance

In its Step Forme it has auburn hair that seems to be stylized in a high bun and red eyes.

I've never thought Step Meloetta's musical staff looked like a bun... it looks more like a turban to me. Voice's staff looks somewhat like a veil, as well.

Trivia

Could the fact that it is the only pokemon to learn both Pyschic and Close Combat by level up? Captian Obvious 03:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

How is that notable? Werdnae (talk) 03:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, they are both powerful moves for their respective types.Karnik555 15:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Still not notable Ataro 15:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Meloetta's English Forme Names (apparently the Aria and Pirouette Formes)

Obviously we will wait for the english release of Black & White to start adding the rest of the english names. But what are we doing about Meloetta's Forme names? Since it will likely be years before it is "officially revealed"? XVuvuzela2010X 15:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Won't the names be in the English game data? I'm sure someone will check them out. Blazios 15:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Meloetta origin

While the actual designs do resemble an opera singer and ballet dancer, Meloetta itself might be based on the Greek muses, particularly Euterpe and Terpsichore, the muses of music and dance respectively. Following that line of logic, the name could be based on the ancient Greek word 'melos' which means tune, melody, or a lyric poem that was meant to be sung (so there also might be a connection to Erato, the muse of lyrical poetry). The word could also mean the teaching of harmonics and composition, which would sit well with the event where Meloetta relearns Relic Song. I'm actually surprised nobody made this connection, since the very first time I read about Meloetta I quite literally thought 'Ah, a Pokemon muse. Neat!' Frundan 21:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

There was an interview in a magazine where Junichi Masuda stated that no Pokémon have ever been based on Greek Mythology. Therefore, it can be assumed that Meloetta is simply a personnification of the arts of song and dance.--MisterE13 21:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
It needs to be noted though, that officially, Meloetta doesnt exist, so it would seem that he was not referring to Meloetta. XVuvuzela2010X 21:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Likely he would've also denied the existence of a Pokémon based on Kelpie or Paleozoic insect.--Den Zen 21:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

From the origin section:
"Meloetta's name may literally mean "Little Melody.""
In what language? Surely not in Italian. --SamuStar 09:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Read it again, it says: "-Etta" is also a common, feminine Italian suffix meaning "little," and could be a reference to Meloetta's feminine look and diminutive size. Italian words are commonly used for musical directions and descriptions. Meloetta's name may literally mean "Little Melody." --ForceFire 09:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok, but for what I understand the article says that Meloetta means "Little melody" in Italian. Which isn't true SamuStar 10:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
No. It means, with "-Etta" meaning little in italian and "Melo" coming from Melody, It could literally mean "Little (-Etta) Melody (Melo)"--ForceFire 11:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok, maybe it could be reworded SamuStar 13:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

This may be a long shot, but does anyone else think Meloetta's headband thingy look a lot like Concordia's hair? Like this? Im good at coming up with alternate, plausible but completely wrong explanations for things though. So it may just be me. PowerPlantRaichu 04:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks more like a treble clef to me. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I understand the Opera and Italian comparisons, but I see some Spanish dancer elements incorporated into her Pirouette Forme design this and defiantly this
Also Meloetta might just as well be a combination of Melody and a corruption of "Senorita." Another plausible corruption is "Lolita" Meloetta and Melolita read about the same.Yamitora1 01:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Fact Mentioned Twice

"Meloetta is not known to evolve into or from any Pokémon, but it is able to change Formes by using Relic Song. It can change between Aria Forme, which is Normal/Psychic, and Pirouette Forme, which is Normal/Fighting." This sentence used (matching almost word for word) in both the "Intro" and "Special Abilities" sections. Shouldn't it be removed from one of them? If so, which? If not, should they be reworded so it's not so . . . redundant? Crystal Talian 01:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Anime appearance

Now that we know the Meloetta will appear in the Pikachu Short, Meloetta's Glittery Recital, can an administrator please add an anime section with this information? ZMT123 05:54, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Added. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but the top of the page still says "Along with Genesect, Meloetta has not been officially revealed by Nintendo." Should this be updated to "Meloetta has not been officially revealed by Nintendo until February 25, 2012," please? Thanks. ~~LDEJRuff~~ 2:36, 26 February, 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't call it a "reveal". It was more like a leak. Just like how finding its coding in the game is a leak. No one has openly come out and said, "Here, have a new Pokémon!" Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 07:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Just pointing out the Bulbanews article stating that it was officially revealed on Pokémon Smash! - Blazios talk 19:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
That was a mistake. I watched the entirety of Smash and they never mentioned it. The poster was leaked on a website that has since taken it down. So they never said anything about Meloetta. She's just got a picture on a poster for now. That's not a reveal, it is a leak. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 20:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Really? Then yeah, it's not official. I knew it had been leaked yesterday, though I assumed it had then been used on Smash! afterwards. - Blazios talk 20:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Jo The Marten LMFS 05:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

In the anime section edit request

PK24 should be linked as just PK24, and not Meloetta's Glittery Recital, since it's not confirmed to be the short's English name. XVuvuzela2010X 21:16, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Headpiece

I believe the head piece also incorporates elements of a G clef, especially the tail of the clef. It is reversed when viewed from the front on Pirouette Forme, but correct when looking at it on Aria Forme. PhantomJunkie 17:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Edited Step Forme to Pirouette Forme. PhantomJunkie 17:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Relic Song?

I noticed something on this page isn't obvious enough... ... I don't get. If I get a Meloetta in Aria Forme and it uses Relic Song to change to Perouette forme, will it change back to Aria forme if a get it in the PokéBall or do I need to use Relic Song to change it back? Could somebody please add the answer of my question to the page. Nickvang 18:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

It goes back to Aria Forme when put back in its Poké Ball. It says so on the article: "It reverts to Aria Forme when switched out or the battle ends." --SnorlaxMonster 13:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Which means this is currently wrong:
"Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Meloetta
Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an evolution or alternate form of Meloetta"
Since Aria is Psychic and Pirouette is Fighting, it's Psychic that's the default form's type and therefore should be bold and Fighting that's the alternate and so should be in italic, not the other way around. There's no need for that to alternate. Digifiend (talk) 23:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sugimori art

Meloetta's Sugimori art is now on the Archives.. so could a mod change the images in the infobox now? ----samm :) 15:14, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Shiny Origin/Reference?

Meloetta's Aria form when it is shiny reminds me of Miku Hatsune and I wonder if they could have referred to Miku Hatsune by making its shiny form the same colors as her? Some reasoning next to that is that Miku Hatsune is a singing program, so it fits in with Meloetta, Vocaloid (I think) originates from Japan, and I believe Vocaloid is rather popular in Japan. Anyone else agree and think it's worthy to not of on her page? » £ilurα -τ- -¢- 01:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

My vague understanding (based on the discussions on Keldeo's talk page) is that the Bulbapedia admins would like to avoid mentioning copyrighted works in the reference sections unless the reference is almost certainly intentional (such as Tyranitar/Godzilla). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Revealed early

I own the Pokémon handbook with the cover like this. On page 50-51, it shows a list of Pokémon for Easy Chat, and guess what? Meloetta and Keldeo were on the list. Just saying it might have been leaked early. TeamPlasmaN1212 21:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a photo, or scanning it so we can see? Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 22:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Meloetta the True KamiTrio Master

Shouldn't Meloetta be considered the Kami Trio's true master. Yeah its just in the anime, but we consider Lugia the bird trio's master and that was in a movie.

Plus as Ho-oh proves, you don't have to be in the same form or species as the trio to be their master; after all, Ho-oh is the master for the beast trio and its a bird, not a dog/cat or beast. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokedex 3D Pro says the gender is UNKNOWN, not Genderless.

Can someone edit the Meloetta articles or do I have to do everything myself? In fact, why is Meloetta's gender unknown anyway? You'd think Scientist would have identified her by now. (Meloetta'sbiggestfan (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2013 (UTC)).Meloetta'sbiggestfan

It says that for all Pokemon with unknown genders. Either way, it doesn't confirm that it actually has one. Ataro (talk) 18:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I still think Meloetta is a girl because of the animie and the fact that Meloetta looks like a girl in the games as well. - unsigned comment from Meloetta'sbiggestfan (talkcontribs)

Whether you think it is or not is irrelevant. Meloetta is canonically genderless, so that's what's in our article. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Also, please sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~) so the timestamp shows up. Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding UK Pre-Orders

I would have posted this on the talk page of the Bulbanews article, but I'm having difficulties changing my email address, so I could not create the talk page. Seeing as the article seemed so unclear as to whether or not these reports are true, I can confirm that the GAME branch in York is one of the shops requiring you to pre-order X & Y to receive Meloetta. Besides the image pictured in the article, two more information sheets were at either side, largely claiming the same statement about pre-ordering, if I remember correctly. Naturally, I tried seeing if I could connect with Mystery Gift regardless, but it could not get a signal. I do not have image proof, nor can I obtain it, as I only visit York when I go to college, which is now closed for Easter. I simply figured extra clarification from a UK resident would be of use. ToastUltimatum 21:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)