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Talk:List of Pokémon by base stats (Generation VI-present)

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Too big, I know, but dividing each atributte would make it bigger. I was thinking about dividing it into Baby, Basic, 2nd Evolution-middle, 2nd Evolution-end, 3rd Evolution and Legendary. What do you people think?01:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it could use the {{p}} links. Are there ways to section off these kind of lists? And to get the {{pokelist}} template in there? Tom Temprotran 06:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
This kind of list is not meant to be divided into sections. But I think we could add a totals/average column. - 振霖T 07:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Both, maybe? Tom Temprotran 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone knows how the images should be named to change the crosses? Gambler 21:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, could we have an image, and maybe their type, put into the with the Pokémon? Just a thought ...Tesh 22:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Also it is hard to follow the same line when reading horizontally, has anyone got any ideas on how we could fix that? Tesh 15:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

We could have alternating colours on every-other line... Hmmm... TESHTALKSAND 21:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Why is Speed not the last stat in the list like it is in the video games? It would make it much easier to remember which column holds which stat after the headings scroll off the screen if they were presented in the same order as they are in the games. --Kitsunegami 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Also: how hard would it be to add a "Total" column? --Kitsunegami 06:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Misleading article name

I came to this page expecting a list of Pokemon organized in order of their base stats, but all I found was a list of Pokemon with their base stats. I don't have the time to do something on such a large scale as this, but perhaps someone should reorganize the list so its from highest to lowest (or vice versa)? If not that, perhaps simply change the title to just "List of base stats" or something to that affect. // SzayelAporro 18:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Really? I was expecting lowest to highest.486PokeManiac102492 18:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Either way is fine, personally. I just think it should be organized in some way. // SzayelAporro 18:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a sortable list. Just click the symbol at the top of the column you want to sort by. Zurqoxn 03:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Shedinja!

Shedinja's HP stat is actually infinite (∞), not 1. Therefore it shouldn't be counted in it's stat average. No Pokémon get weaker upon evolution, that's just unheard of. Who else agrees? TESHIGIGAS 18:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Infinite? That's funny; his article says one. // SzayelAporroGranz 21:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but if Shedinja's HP is always 1, then the stat is incalculable, therefore regarding it as ∞. Meaning that it shouldn't be incuded in the stat average. TESHIGIGAS 21:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
It's 1/0. OH SHI-- TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 04:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Also. Scyther's Speed base stat hits the toilet when it evolves. And besides, what's the difference between 1 and 0? ...well, one. So all you'd do is take away 1/6 from the average. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 04:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
"No Pokémon gets weaker upon evolution"? There are quite a few Pokémon who get slower when they evolve, and there's one case where the Pokémon's ATTACK stat goes down (Trapinch evolving into Vibrava). Diachronos 17:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that statement is wrong. But if a stat is a constant then you can't work out it's base. TESHIGIGAS 20:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that whatever method people are using to back-calculate stats, that if you are using division in the formula, for a Pokémon who's stat value never changes if there were such a division, you'd be dividing zero by zero - that is to say, you'd end up with no answer at all because the variable you are seeking is no longer actually part of the equation. If y=m+0*x, *any* value of x will work, infinity or zero or anything in between ... so saying that the base stat is infinite is silly.Iliekmudkips 21:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Unified Special Stat?

In Red/Blue/Yellow, there was only one Special stat; in later games, they would split it and change either Sp. Attack or Sp. Defense. Anyway, this article doesn't have ANY information about a Pokémon's Special base stat in R/B/Y (from this chart, it's impossible to tell whether S.A. or S.D. was its Special stat in R/B/Y). Should a separate column be made, or highlight them in another color or something?- unsigned comment from Blaziken257 (talkcontribs)

Well it's true though, special splitting into special attack, special defense.486PokeManiac102492 16:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
That would be a good idea, though it might confuse people, since that wouldn't be considered in the stat average. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 04:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Why not have a page per Generation? TESHIGIGAS 22:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Why nt just bold the stat that was the special stat? The Placebo Effect 13:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Make another page just for the first generation. The base stats are technically different there. --Raijinili 01:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Started doing it but can't alter the columns in the template, i have re-written teh template for gen 1 but have no idea how to add it to the wiki's templates SPACKlick 8:08, 19 december 2009 (UTC)

I've made a generation I page at List of Pokémon by base stats (Generation I) Jecowa 20:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Little Character Pictures

We should have the Pokémon's pictures that you see when you view your party next to the Pokémon in the list, for easier reference. I saw this on another website and it was very well laid out. I forgot the site now though. TeePee-20.7 16:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

This page is large enough already. Adding images will make it too big. TESHIGIGAS 22:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Want to weed out Pokemon which can evolve

Asking for too much? --Raijinili 00:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's an idea: Have an "Evolves from" and an "Evolves into" with the images of the Pokémon that fit each category, as links to those pages. Eevee will have five images in the second column, but it will be easy and quick to see which Pokémon are in final forms. --Raijinili 01:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Stat Total

You have the average, now how about thier base stats all added up. --Fxblaster 03:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

That's just the average times 6. Actually, I think the total should be in the table, rather than the average. --Raijinili 11:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
But when comparing Pokemon, talking about the average is more accurate than the stat total, so having an average is neccessary. Also, I think the stat total should be added too. TESHIGIGAS 16:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
More accurate? Each one can be derived from the other. Having the average is not necessary in any way. --Raijinili 05:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, Mew has a base stat total of 600 (all of theyre stats add up to this), but an average base stat of 100 (each stat is around about this number). So the average tells us what each stat should be around in a way. Either way, whether we have an average stat or not, this table isn't going to change much. I mean, add a Total cloumn to the table if you want to, but leave the average column. TESHIGIGAS 09:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Just to make sure, you realize that avg=total/6, right? And that to calculate average, you calculate the total first? (Well, you don't HAVE to, but it's the easiest way.) --Raijinili 05:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I know how to calculate averages. Like I said, add a total column if you want to. TESHIGIGAS 18:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
We could always use a median value rather than average right? I think showing a median value (middle value) would be more useful than average as it would show where each stat would be around --Nothinhappened 00:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Additional Classification

I think one should be able to view base stats of pokemon by "Type" and "generation".This way , players can compare pokemon by type and generation availability to be able to choose their team.Twistedpokefan.

I also think that it would be important to feature the type as it is a great way to see what pokémon is the best for each type (and thus fighting style) and it would help a lot the trainers build their parties.manelinho.

Deoxys form error

Can someone clean up the format error caused by putting Deoxys under one number? When you try to sort by average it creates a whole mess of problems!

New format

Hey, I did my part. Using magic. Mortal 13:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


I've added all the pokémon. Each forme is seperate. Hootington 13:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Stats by index number?

I did some more snooping around in the ROM and found out that the eggs have a placeholder base stat value of 10. Is that noteworthy to include anywhere, let alone this article? Ztobor 22:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Forms' National number designations

In an impressive edit, Ztobor recently added the base stats for all Generation V Pokémon kinds. However, he introduced a somewhat new designation for Pokémon alternate forms, a single-letter suffix for "secondary" forms such as "648S". This is fine by me, but because the alternate forms of previous generations were not changed, the table's formatting is now self-inconsistent.

Are there any objections to tweaking the previous generations' rows to match this format, e.g. "487O"? Redletterday 05:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

For posterity, Umeko himself has removed the letters. Joy upon joys, the table is consistent again, restoring sanity to a thousand-and-two neurosis-stricken people. Redletterday 02:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Non-Legendary

I think it would be useful to be able to remove legendaries from the list. (We could also create a new page containing only non-legendaries.)- unsigned comment from Tk3141 (talkcontribs)

That'd be kind of pointless... since they all fit here and no size restrictions are being broken. --Spriteit 10:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Shortcut

I think this article should get a shortcut for easier access, as I assume it is accessed quite a lot. Yvnr (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

This fine base stat chart is located on one of the most popular Pokémon information sites, but making it as difficult to access as it is, we are practically asking people to bookmark it or use another site for this information. I'd appreciate if someone could tell me why this article should not get a shortcut, such as bsdex, to ease access. I mean, we've even got Rdex. Yvnr (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Conquest

There should be a list for pokemon conquest stats aswell. - unsigned comment from Pastamasta (talkcontribs)

Stat spreadsheet

Is there any way to create a spreadsheet out of the stats listed here other than manually creating it? Like, can whatever is in place to list them in a chart be converted to a spreadsheet that I can use to make a graph out of? Jabberwockxeno (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Mega Pokémon in the list?

Should we include Mega Pokémon in this list, because I think it would be very helpful for those who want to compare their stats to other Pokémon, and alternate forms are in this list as well? He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit! (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

It'd be great for Megas to be included, I say. --Wynd Fox 00:51, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it. It'd be nice for someone to check in case I screwed up. EnosShayremTalk 22:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ampharos' Defense

So I changed the table to reflect that Ampharos' Defense was changed from 75 to 85 in Gen VI, but I couldn't figure out how to make a note that it's different between generations without screwing up the template: if I put one in the Defense box itself, the BST and average formulas bring up an error, and if I put it next to Ampharos' name, it messes up the link template. There definitely should be a note there so that people don't come looking for Ampharos' Defense in Gen II-IV and see the wrong number, so how should it be done? EnosShayremTalk 22:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I figured out a solution. EnosShayremTalk 22:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Unable to save changes to Pikachu

Pikachu's base stats have been modified in Generation 6. They are now 35/55/40/50/50/90 (Def +10, SpD +10). I have tried to update this directly on the page, but for some reason the changes fail to save. Can someone else make the change instead? Thanks in advance. pikalax 15:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Suggested change to improve trivia sections

Does anyone else think the "highest base X stat of all Y-type Pokemon" trivia on individual Pokémon pages are really space-wasting and uninteresting? This article is almost enough to make all of them redundant; I think we should just add a (non-sortable, if possible) column for type on it so we don't need to have all these silly trivia. (Even if we don't add a column, I think we should at least centralize those trivia off individual articles and onto either this page or their types' pages, based on the precedent set with Eeveelutions.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

In addition to either adding a type row to this article or moving the type trivia to their respective type articles, I also have another potential solution: I've drafted a table that could work as its own article, which removes the need to have any of this kind of trivia at all. Thoughts? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:01, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it looks like it could be added as an article. Though, the trivia points might just end up linking to the article. --Super goku (talk) 04:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Even if the trivia points end up continuing to exist and link to that, wouldn't they be better on this page or the types' pages? I feel strongly that if they must exist, it's better to have them spread across 18 pages than across about 120 pages. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Redlink

Because one of the Mega Evolved Pokémon doesn't seem to have an icon, could someone remove this redlink? Same for the other one. --Cinday123 (Talk) 12:35, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

The redlink in this case is a way of pointing out that the image should be uploaded. So having a broken file link for a short period of time until the image does get uploaded isn't a huge problem. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 00:11, 5/24/2014 (UTC)
Thanks for accepting my request, and removing the red links I made! So I must be more careful until someone uploads it. --Cinday123 (Talk) 01:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not removing the redlinks. I'm putting them back. The redlink will lead right to an upload page so as soon as someone who has the ability to do so uploads the remaining Mega Evolution sprites (I don't have any form of sprite rips, myself), the page will be updated with it right away, rather than someone having to go back and change it once the files are uploaded. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 01:52, 5/24/2014 (UTC)
Okay, how about you do the fully-evolved Pokémon by base stats and edit it, right? --Cinday123 (Talk) 02:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
.... You're making zero sense. All I'm talking about is the sprites. This page is complete in terms of the base stats for megas, last I checked... Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 03:58, 5/24/2014 (UTC)