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Talk:List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number

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There are 184 Generation I & II Pokémon not included in this list, however, if you look at the individual pages (e.g. Tauros) it lists a Hoenn Dex number. Is this page incomplete, or are the other pages innacurate? Drapion 21:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Typically the Hoenn Dex only goes up to 202, though all the rest also have a Hoenn dex number. I suppose this is indeed an incomplete page; the rest should be added.--Arty2 22:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone could add them with a note explaining how they don't appear usually? Tom Temprotran 02:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

No, the rest are not official numbers. The numbers after 202 are there to keep Missingno.-like errors from appearing. If you look at the list after 202, all of the numbers are in National Pokédex order. Clearly, they simply piled all the rest at the end with no regard for it being seen by the player, as there is indeed no way to see these numbers during normal gameplay. MK 08:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Since they're not supposed to be seen by the player, doesn't that make them unoffical? --PikamasterADV 16:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It's in the game data, it's certainly more official than some things fans like to claim. - 振霖T 00:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Nope, it's not in the game data. Those numbers are not official, they are fan speculation. If you look at the summary that is not in the Hoenn dex, such as Lapras, before you get the national dex, they won't show a number. Where do you get your numbers from? Someone just added all the Pokemon that weren't in the Hoenn dex, put them in national order and added them after Deoxys. If you want to add all of the Pokemon after Deoxys, why not add Sinnoh Pokemon? I think the Hoenn dex numbers should be left blank.--SeanWheeler 17:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually this was found by hacking the game. Somewhere along the line, the developpers wanted those numbers there.--MisterE13 18:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Catch a non-Hdex Pokémon that you don't have yet from the wild with a GameShark or Action Replay before you have the National Dex in RS. Bulbasaur will be #203. The rest follow. TTEchidna 19:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

This discussion may have ended two years ago, but I feel it should continue because I'm still not convinced that these unofficial numbers are necessary. It is very misleading to give Pokémon like Mewtwo a Hoenn number when that Pokémon isn't in the Hoenn Pokédex. It is even more confusing when there is an asterisk saying it is "not shown" right next to the number, which is self-contradictory. If someone wonders the hacked Hoenn number of the Pokémon, just calculate 202 + National Number - previous Hoenn Dex Pokémon such as Pikachu. Those numbers are only shown once, which is on the Pokédex registration screen. The status screen doesn't show the number and when you check your Pokédex, you can't find it. It is just a filler number. Official Pokémon should stick to official numbers, not glitch numbers. Otherwise we would have zeroes for the Sinnoh Dex number of every Pokémon that isn't in the Sinnoh Dex. I think the Hoenn numbers for these Pokémon should be blank. Having the numbers there just cause confusion. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, wait a minute, those asterisks aren't there any more, the number is just underlined. Without the asterisk, it is even more confusing. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Johto Starters

I'm pretty sure that to get the call by Prof. Birch, you only need to catch the first 200 in the Hoenn Dex, but pages that refrence this say that you need to catch the entire Pokédex. Should there be a trivia comment or something that says that you only need to catch up till Rayquaza to get a Johto starter? Dark Boye 23:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Well yes. But most people would understand "the whole Pokédex" to exclude the events. We can't just put asterisks everywhere to say *. TTEchidna 00:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
So it has to be the first 200? What I'm asking is, even with 200, including Jirachi and barring a random Pokémon (like say, Linoone), the Johto starter won't be unlocked? ht14 19:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Emerald

I know that in Emerald, no Pokemon outside the Hoenn Pokedex can be traded in until the player receives the National Pokedex. I have found it impossible to trade in a Mewtwo from Ruby, even though according to the Mewtwo page it is in the Hoenn Pokedex. Although Pokemon are hacked into the games are given a number, there is a distinct boundary between those which are in the first 202. Tk3141 19:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, just like I posted at the top of the page. Those extra numbers cause confusion. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Fairy Types?

Seeing how the Hoenn Pokemon are getting a remake for Gen 6, shouldn't the retconned Fairy types (Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Azurill, Marill, Azumarill, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir) have their new typings for this respective dex? - unsigned comment from Bluekirbystar (talkcontribs)

We should, but there's a possibility that the dex could be changed (like the one for Johto when HeartGold and SoulSilver was released). Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~ whenever you edit a talk page. UxieLover1994 (talk) 20:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
This was the Hoenn Pokédex number as it was in Gen III. They weren't fairy types in Gen III, so the page should remain the same for now. --Pokemaster97 20:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Besides if the Hoenn Pokédex is the same as Gen III, then a trivia piece will be useful to help with that issue which is what I did for the Kanto Pokédex regarding the Magnemite and Magneton difference for FireRed and LeafGreen since I couldn't modify the template back then and chose to write a trivia piece instead for that purpose. Personally it is best to wait to see how this outcome out first officially. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Now that Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire are announced should the types be changed? Or should we wait to see whether the Hoenn Dex is the same or in the same order? --AndyPKMN (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Best to wait on this since it is unknown at this moment if they would add in new Pokémon to the Hoenn Dex. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually, wouldn't this just be renamed as the RSE Dex, just like the name GSC Dex for the Generation II Johto Dex? - unsigned comment from Super goku (talkcontribs)

Page Move in the Future?

If anyone watched the recent official Nintendo video regarding the Gym Leaders and Elite Four since it looks like Dusknoir was seen as one of Phoebe's Pokémon it looks like Nintendo will be creating a new Hoenn Pokédex in the future. Once the official conformation is confirmed it will be likely this page may need to moved to something like the Old Hoenn Pokédex or something. I'll gladly wait this out and see what happens in the future. But anyway I am sure glad that Force Fire locked this page down to avoid any speculation problems. -Tyler53841 (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

ORAS numbers.

As seen here, Pikachu is #163, Milotic is #146 and Salamence is #198. Note that all have been bumped up. Eridanus (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

While it wasn't easy to find I confirmed it so it looks like this page will have to be moved in the future since it looks like HGSS there will be some changes in the Pokédex such as what I said earlier about Dusknoir being one of Phobe's Pokémon. Pretty much I say that once the new numbering is confirmed then I agree that this page should be moved to make way for the new numbering. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
With HG/SS, we moved the Generation II page to "New Pokédex" because it was an established alternate name. We didn't have that option for B2/W2, hence the unofficial term "New Unova Pokédex" was used for that listing. Because the R/S/E listing and the OR/AS listing are both known as the Hoenn Pokédex, the article for the updated list should call it the "New Hoenn Pokédex" per the Unova precedent. Bwburke94 (talk) 15:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Would tacking "(RSE)" into the end if the article name work for the old list if there's no official new name for the Hoenn Pokedex? Even if there's precedent, using "new Hoenn Pokedex" when it's not the official name seems misleading. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
If it is really a problem, why not just call this page the RSE Dex? This list is still and will always be accurate to the Generation III games. --Super goku (talk) 01:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Page Move discussion

Now that the game has been released and it has been mentioned that 9 new Pokémon are being added, all Generation IV Pokemon connected with Pokemon from the Hoenn region Dex I recommend this page be moved to a new location and the new Hoenn dex listing takes over for this page due to reasons. A. It will be too messy just like what happened before with HeartGold and SoulSilver for Johto and Black 2 and White 2 for Unova. B. The Gen VI addition of the Fairy type and the Hoenn Dex Pokemon that are connected to it. For my collection of these Pokemon so far: Gallade #32, Budew #97 and Chingling #157. - unsigned comment from Tyler58431 (talkcontribs)

I personally think the RSE should be in parenthesis at the end of the title instead of replacing "Hoenn", because it was called the Hoenn Dex in Generation III. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
The ORAS Pokédex page has been named List of Pokémon by New Hoenn Pokédex number. I personally think the RSE Pokédex could remain as the main Hoenn Dex. But I don't know. Will we keep the ORAS listing as New Hoenn? SeanWheeler (talk) 15:39, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I thinking it should be left as is. RSE Pokédex is not an official name, Hoenn Pokédex is. Hoenn and New Hoenn are as close to official as we can get. --HoennMaster 09:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else have an opinion? Or should we remove the move tag? SeanWheeler (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I think they should be "List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number (Generation III)" and "List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number (Generation VI)". --SnorlaxMonster 08:18, 16 December 2014 (UTC)