Talk:Ice (type)

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Hail

Shouldnt hail be under damage-dealing moves, since technically it does damage every turn?Jaller95 14:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

no because hail does not damage direct, what damage is the weather --Hanmac 14:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Offensive Position

I think that Ice is on par with Rock offensively. Proof: More Pokémon are quad weak to to Ice than any other type. There are some Pokémon who quad resist Ice, nearly all who are also part-Ice. There are only two Pokémon who quad resist Ice and aren't Ice-types themselves: Empoleon and Heatran, who are part- Steel-type, the best type defensively in the game (Resists 11 types, and immune to one other). In comparison, Rock is quad resisted by only four Pokémon, and Ice is quad resisted by numerous other Pokémon, but only two aren't Ice-types themselves. So, Ice is pretty much one of the best types offensively, to me. KirbyRider 23:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

So... you're just saying Ice is the best type? Frozen Fennec 23:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm saying it's one of the best types, and is arguably comparable to Rock. Go read its offensive-wise info. --KirbyRider 20:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

"There are more Pokémon with double weaknesses to Ice than any other type."

Err... if I counted properly... It gave me 17 double weakness to Ice and FRIGGIN 27 to Grass, and Grass had more since Gen I (1/5/10/16/17 for Ice and 10/15/20/23/27 for Grass). If I am wrong then... derp. Marked +-+-+ 20:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Frost Rotom

Frost Rotom is mentioned as not having more weaknesses than resistances and immunities, but it does. The Electric type cancels out the Steel weakness and adds resistance to Flying and Electric, but also adds a weakness to Ground, making the totals 3 resistances and 4 weaknesses. So Froslass is the only Ice Pokémon that breaks even. AsbestosBill 18:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

It's counting Levitate, making the Ground weakness an immunity. - Blazios talk 18:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh. Of course. My bad. AsbestosBill 17:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Bug type?

Okay why is it that in the Ice-type section there's a mention of bug types? And I'm not talking about the compare attack stats and what not. In the little triva section it says, and I qoute "Generation I introduced the most Ice-type moves of any Generation, with six and Generation II introduced the least Bug-type moves, with two." That should be Ice-type moves right? I don't want to argue with people who obviously know a whole lot more about Pokemon than me, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. And this is how you sign right? CharizardX9 16:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)CharizardX9

Looks like a copypaste error to me. G50 fixed it shortly after you left your comment. Werdnae (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Generation with the least number of ice types introduced

The trivia section states: "Generation V introduced the most Ice-type Pokémon of any generation, with eight, and Generation II introduced the least Ice-type Pokémon, with five."

The five introduced in Generation II were as follows: Sneasel, Swinub, Piloswine, Delibird, and Smoochum.

I feel the trivia should state that both generation I & II introduced five pokemon,and are therefore tied for the least number introduced in a generation. The generation I Pokemon being: Dewgong, Cloyster, Jynx, Lapras, and Articuno.

--Brocky (talk) 08:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Weird. I wonder why it wasn't there already? Thanks for pointing it out. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 08:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon number

It lists 39 Pokemon on the page, but states that there are 35 Ice type. Even if you don't count forms and megas the number is still wrong. Same problem with Ghost type.

AonDuine (talk) 00:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)AonDuine

Really? Copied names, removed Megas/alternate forms...
  1. Snowy Castform
  2. Snorunt
  3. Glalie
  4. Regice
  5. Glaceon
  6. Vanillite
  7. Vanillish
  8. Vanilluxe
  9. Cubchoo
  10. Beartic
  11. Cryogonal
  12. Bergmite
  13. Avalugg
  14. Jynx
  15. Articuno
  16. Swinub
  17. Piloswine
  18. Delibird
  19. Smoochum
  20. Spheal
  21. Sealeo
  22. Walrein
  23. Mamoswine
  24. Froslass
  25. Dewgong
  26. Cloyster
  27. Lapras
  28. Sneasel
  29. Snover
  30. Abomasnow
  31. Weavile
  32. Frost Rotom*
  33. Kyurem
  34. Amaura
  35. Aurorus
Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I stand corrected apparently I can't count. Thank you. The page does say "(counting forms and Mega Evolutions that change typing as different Pokémon)" so my confusion is justified. This should be changed or reworded.
AonDuine (talk)AonDuine
I see. I believe that means things like, Castform is counted as 4 different Pokemon since its forms change types. But I'm not sure how it might be reworded effectively... Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
It already says, "(counting forms and Mega Evolutions that change typing as different Pokémon)". That is why Snowy Casform & Frost Rotom count in the 35, while Mega Glalie, Mega Abomasnow, Black Kyurem, and White Kyurem do not (as they're already counted by their base forms). - Kogoro - Talk to me - 01:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Alolan Forms

When counting Pokémon introduced that are the Ice type, Frost Rotom counts towards Gen V, but Alolan Sandshrew, Sandslash, Vulpix, and Nintales don't count towards Gen VII. They're alternate forms that change typing, so could someone please explain why? AmoongussForLife (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

For some reason, they count on the page for the Dark-type. I remember having one of my edits to Crabominable's page reverted after listing that it was the only Ice-type introduced in Gen VII disregarding Alolan Forms, something the Ice-type page lists in its introduction by generation records, only for something saying the same thing to get put in later on. Azureprism (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
If someone did it wrong, just fix it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Trivia: No Ice specialist in GenVII, less Ice-types than Legendaries

Previously, there was a trivia comment that Ice was the only type to have a gym leader or Elite Four member in every generation. That stopped being the case in GenVII and thus it was removed. From that though, perhaps came another interesting bit of trivia that I am wondering if it's worth adding:

-Ice is the only type without a dedicated specialist being introduced in Generation VII (with Faba specializing in Psychic and Ryuki specializing in Dragon, to add to the Captains, Kahunas, Elite Four, and Guzma/Plumeria/Molayne).

Also possibly trivia-worthy is the fact that, at 40 Pokemon, the Ice-type is the only type to have less Pokemon than there are official Legendary Pokemon, where the Bulbapedia page currently has the count at 43 official Legendary Pokemon. TheAlopex (talk) 02:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I've added the former point. I'm not in love with the latter since it's kind of comparing apples and oranges, but I wouldn't be opposed to it if someone else decided to add it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:14, 4 April 2017 (UTC)