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So the name IS Ho-oh?


Anybody got a screenshot to lay it down one way or another? Evkl 19:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Evkl, the name is Ho-Oh. Check it out here:

http://www.pokemon.com

It also says that name in the Nintendo Power Pokémon Colosseum strategy guide, the Pokémon Official Pokédex book, Prima's strategy guide, Nintendo.com... The name *IS* Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

All online refrences I've seen put a lowercase O. The games are utterly inconclusive, being in all caps... Evkl 20:27, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto to that. surskitty


Don't forget the NP FireRed/LeafGreen guide and a poster from a fairly recent issue of Nintendo Power, which both use an uppercase "O". However, older official material, such as the NP Pokémon Crystal guide, say "Ho-oh", so I guess NOA changed its mind as some point. Right now I'm *considering* moving the article and updating all related pages to reflect this. Woopert 20:41, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Uhh run that past Evkl first. I also got a screenshot confirmation that it is Ho-Oh. It was from the anime. The episode title screen and it says "For Ho-Oh, the Bell Tolls". It's also Ho-Oh in the Prima guide with the (TM) at the top. IIt's officially confirmed as Ho-Oh.

Ledian_X

Chris has shown me a screencap which includes a capital O, which is the closest to a canon source I've been able to find up until now. So I'm leaning towards Ho-Oh. Evkl 20:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Note by evkl: The Prima guide is NOT Canon.

Despite what I've said on AIM about its spelling, Pokemon.com [shows it as "Ho-oh"] whereas I thought it listed otherwise. --Meowth346 00:09, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

And to add the anime episode title, there's the GBA Video's page for [the episode] which uses "Ho-Oh" as said above. --Meowth346 04:22, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What about in the cards? As in TCG? It says "Ho-oh"... ht14 03:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
They switched it to the Ho-Oh capitalization in EX Unseen Forces and never went back. Some people assumed this capitalization to be a mistake at first, but Mystery Dungeon 1 proved that "Ho-Oh" was now indeed the correct capitalization for the Pokémon's name. Just for the record: "Ho-oh" and "Ho-Oh" are considered the same name in the TCG for numbering purposes. --Shiningpikablu252 03:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ho-Oh in the anime

We know that Ho-Oh was the first Pokémon seen in the animé, in the first episode. This always led me to believe that Ho-Oh was infact invented by the animé creators, when making the sequals, they attempted to cash in on it by making it a proper Pokémon. (Highly similar to the release of Yellow infact) I also always thought that Marill was also created the same way, by the animé guys and then used in the games. (Although the showing of Marill and release of G/S are not half as far apart as the Ho-Oh appearance.) Anyway, I was wondering if there is any evidence at all to suggest Ho-Oh was made by the animé guys? And if maybe this is worth mentioning in the article, I always thought it was fishy at least. - Ferret 10:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The stylistic similarities between the RBY generation of Pokemon and the GSC are high and so its likely that the first 251 pokemon were conceived at the same time hence why Ho-oh appears in the first episode. Afterall, there is apparently about 1000 original concept drawings by the original creator of pokemon so that suggests that a lot about the pokemon world was already finalised before the anime was in production. --Ainohuyuah 12:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt this actually in the infomation? That it is the "Unknown Pokemon" from episodes 1-2 Indego League, I think it should be included --Denty 19:06 11 Mar 2010

Pronounciation

How is Ho-Oh pronounced? I think it's hutt-o or Ho-ho Well? Strong Intelligent

I say 'Ho' and then 'Oh' as in 'Oh no'. But thats just me Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
That's pretty much it. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Move Tutor in Crystal Version

I looked up Ho-oh in the Library at Earl's Pokémon Academy on Pokémon Stadium 2, and it says that Ho-oh can learn Flamethrower and Thunderbolt from the Move Tutor in Crystal. Is there any way of putting this in the article? Superbreeder 21:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That is already on Ho-Oh's Gen II learnset. That learnset can be found here.- Kogoro | Talk to me | 21:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, at least it's somewhere on BP. But why are'nt the Generation II moves that Pokémon used to learn but don't anymore (i.e. Hoppip had Pay Day on its Breeding Moveset in Generation II, but it doesn't anymore.) get included in the articles? If they were, it could be noted elsewhere. Superbreeder 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Sprite

There appears to be a Platinum Sprite on the page, practicly the same as the D/P sprite, should it be removed, or is there a difference? Lucario12 18:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It is the exact same sprite. The Platinum sprite is a redirect to the Diamond & Pearl sprite. It shouldn't be removed. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 18:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Ranger?

This is generally irrelevant, but how does it have Ranger artwork? It doesn't appear in Ranger!--The Kkllnnator サンタクロース 22:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they meant to put it in, but took it out? The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 22:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

[[a:File:Ranger artworks.jpg|right|thumb|]]

Most of the legendary Pokémon from Gens 1 to 3 have official artwork from Ranger for some reason. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 22:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, these images are in my Mystery Dungeon Red and Blue stratagy guide. I don't know why everyone thinks it's from Ranger. --いぬみみ 21:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit War.

People, could you please stop changing the trivia over and over again? You're making us decent Bulbapedians look bad. Thank you.

Love, ShinjiLover, who is still trying to think of a better siggy.

But it isn't good trivia. It's not unique, it isn't notable (IMO), and what about Spritomb? Why isn't it listed too? The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 21:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Trivia is considered to be something that is interesting or something you might not have know/might not have thought about before. I asked TTEChidna what he thought and he said it was kind of interesting. The trivia is unique in that only the 2nd Generation of non-trio ūbers have this common and not with any other Pokémon. I don't really see why it's such a problem.
And Spiritomb only has 1 other Pokémon before it to have the same type as it. What makes Lugia's, Ho-Oh's, and Celebi's trivia interesting is that they all 3 are from generation 2, and that the 2 Pokémon with the same type combos come before them. Plus, Spiritomb does not have another Pokémon simliar to it (like Lugia and Ho-Oh are), and Sableye is Dark/Ghost while Spiritomb is Ghost/Dark. The types are not reversed for Charizard/Moltres/Ho-Oh, Natu/Xatu/Lugia, and Exeggcute/Exeggutor/Celebi. --いぬみみ 21:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't find it interesting, but, w/e, I guess. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 21:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, if i remember correctly, exeggcute/exeggcutor are Grass/Psy, while Celebi is Psy/Grass. But i may be wrong about exeggcute's type order. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 20:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Now that you mention it...you're right. But Spiritomb was just released with the current generation while Ho-Oh's, Lugia's, and Celebi's type-combinations haven't been released with a Pokemon since generation 2. If in the next generation there are no ghost/dark (or vice versa), then we can mention this same kind of thing in Sableye's and Spiritomb's trivia section I guess. --いぬみみ 23:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Species?

I'm wondering if Ho-Oh is a species of Pokémon(The Anime proves there are multiple Lugia) or if there is only one of them? Does anyone have a canon source to verify this? AUXIA (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is usually only one in each game, but I doubt the one that lives in Orre is the same one that is found in Johto. And then there's another one in the Sevii island too! Add to that the one in the anime and I'd say there's at least four of them. Just my oppinion. Taromon777 10:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I've always gone under the impression that there are more than one of any Legendary Pokémon and you could just only ever meet one in the games. I mean, practically, no species can really exist indefinitely with only one member. Also, and this may be a bit of a stupid way of looking at it - but if they only had one of each species battling two on Wi-Fi would be impossible. So therefore by game canon, there must be more. But that's just what I think. - Lucadan (talkcontribs) 15:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure about that, I think there are some legendaries which there are only one of, and there can only be one of (such as Arceus, Dialga, Mesprit etc). These Legendaries have to be unique, the storyline says that they have to be. I think that Ho-oh isn't unique though, although there's no way of really telling. It is a flying type, so it could well appear in each of the aforementioned reigons. Ggled 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

13th Movie

Has anyone paid attention to Bulba News? Ho-Oh and Lugia have both been contirmed to be it the movie via tseaser after the movie. Could someone add info about this and take out the piece of trivia about Ho-Oh being one of two Pokémon not to be in a feature movie? ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 00:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Technically, nothing's really confirmed. Early data about movie 11 suggested Palkia was going to play a major role in it. Jump to the finished product, and Palkia's got nothing but a few minor cameos. In the case of movie 13, we've only got a teaser trailer, one not even released to the public, to work on. My : It's still way too early to say anything's for certain. For all we know, a Generation V legendary or legendary wannabe steals the show, even if teaser trailer elements do turn out to be accurate. --Shiningpikablu252 00:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the trailer has been released to the public, should we change the info? (It says that Ho-Oh is LIKELY to appear in the movie; the trailer shows it there, doesn't it?)--Skulblaka Shurtugal 22:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Special pic

I was attempting to add an scan of Ho-Oh from the Pokémon Special manga, but now I realized that the page is protected, lol. If someone who can edit this page could add it, here it is:

Ho-Oh Adventures.png

-- RikkiKitsune 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


Sprite trivia

Remove it. I can't due to the protection. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 21:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Tah dah! —darklordtrom 07:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Moveset Trivia

Since Ho-Oh's Moveset changed, that trivia doesn't apply anymore, does it? --Purimpopoie 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Moveset

Since its moveset has changed almost completely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to make different tables for each? -- RikkiKitsune 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea, but it'd require a much larger page. Add that to the fact that many have that situation, such as Hippopotas (though minor) and Kyogre (major). My outlook is that there is too much wording, so maybe the debut of the move (if they're the same, leave it alone). So, DP instead of DPPt, and if it debuted in Pt, then Pt, not PTHGSS. Something of that sort... ht14 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
We may be changing our moveset thing sometime soon. After the while iPhone thing goes over. TTEchidna 00:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Why does it say that Ho-Oh receives STAB from Extrasensory in his learn set? Ho-Oh027 19:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Simple mistake, might've been from something like someone copypasting from Lugia's table and they forgot to change it. Should be fixed, now. :D ▫▪Ťïňắ 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

cameo in Super Mario Galaxy 2

should it be mentioned that the parrots in SMG2 are modeled after Ho-Oh? Fluzzard, the big one, even has the same color scheme and another one has the colors of a shiny Ho-Oh. --KinCryos 22:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC) Yeah, I mentioned Fluzzard in the trivia. SeanWheeler 19:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Error

Ho-Oh on this page is using the Generation II Sugimori art, not the HG/SS art it should be using. Who switched it back to the outdated art? Several other Generation II Pokémon pages have similar errors but if this was meant for some kind of anniversary whatever it was is over now so the art should be changed back to the 4th Gen art for them, among the others with this problem include Magcargo as well as Ho-Oh, though Magcargo's art was just fine a while ago... Shiramu Kuromu 18:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not an error. It is set up to display the older art from time to time. Werdnae (talk) 19:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Learnset - Weather Ball

Ho-Oh learns Weather Ball, which can change type to Fire-Type, allowing Ho-Oh to have STAB from the attack. However, the attack is italicised in the Generation IV learnset list, which is supposed to indicate it gets STAB when it used by an evolution of Ho-Oh, which doesn't exist. I am not sure if the Weather Ball attack ought to be unitalicised or the template should be changed so that the text below the learnset list can be edited to allow for variations in Pokémon learnsets, so it could specify the requirements for Weather Ball to have STAB. Zywxn 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Ho-oh represents the sun

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant.--Ash0011 21:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Longshan_Temple_-_Fenghuang.jpg look farmiliar? this is a phoenix bird of the sun ho-oh represents the sun, and in extent Lugia represents the moon--Ash0011 14:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Dragon's Den?

It says in the anime section that a flame of Ho-oh burns in the Dragons den but I'm sure that flame is not from Ho-Oh, however there is one at Mt. Silver correct? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Ho-Oh could be Ash's dad??

In the section about Ho-Oh's anime appearances there is this line: "Ho-Oh is said to be a very important character in the anime storyline and although it is a pokemon is rumoured to be a possible candidate for being Ash's father." Could someone tell me what the source of this information is, because it seems ridiculous. Whitewater257 01:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It's just someone adding speculation. It happens, and it's been removed. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 01:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Name origin

This is almost certainly blatantly wrong, but I have a thought about Ho-Oh's name origin. His name spells out the exact chemical structure of hydrogen peroxide, two hydroxide ions bonded together, the bond usually represented by a dash. In addition, hydrogen peroxide has medical purposes, and is used for healing; this could be analogous to Ho-Oh's revival of the Legendary Beasts in Ecruteak City. Tk3141 16:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The part about it being used for healing is completely fallacious. Hydrogen Peroxide is a powerful oxidising agent. That may make it an effective bactericide, but it also makes it extremely toxic to human cells, causing scarring and chemical burns even with relatively dilute solutions. Any use as a bactericide is restricted to items.
I would find the name origin more plausible if it were a Water type, given Hydrogen Peroxide naturally decomposes to water. Werdnae (talk) 00:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay. The idea was pretty Farfetch'd anyway. Tk3141 21:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The etymology of Ho-oh is not derived from the Chinese FengHuang, but rather the Japanese equivalent which is simply called the Hō-ō. The mythologies of both oriental phoenixes are quite similar, the only difference is the name. Ho-oh is simply a morphed version of Hō-ō, which is the real Japanese version of the phoenix. Regards, Ashfire (talk) 04:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Mythological Origin

I've been doing some reading, and research, and I personally believe that Ho oh is more closely related to the Vermilion Bird, which I find is interesting, as in the page that discusses the origin of the bird, mentions nothing even remotely about the Vermilion Bird. but the mention of the bird is actually associated with Moltres who has much less in common with the Vermilion Bird than Ho oh does, and I think it's a pertinent reference, as the Vermilion Bird and Feng Huang are often confused on their own, and even visually, I think ho oh more likely resembles the Vermilion Bird rather than Feng Huang. I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and whether this should be incorporated or changed. Nehari (talk) 03:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, aside from its body build, the Feng Huang seems to have more in common with Ho-Oh, particularly the fact it's multi-coloured (linking to the frequent mentions of Ho-Oh being rainbow coloured), unlike the red Vermilion Bird. Wikipedia's article also notes that Feng Huang are said to appear only in places of utmost peace, which ties in with its Crystal, Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and Generation V Pokedex entries. Plus the whole Dragon/Feng Huang relationship, since Lugia's likely primarily based on a dragon of some sort. And Ho-Oh's name. Also, I'm not even sure the Vermilion Bird is classed as a kind of phoenix (it's not mentioned in Wikipedia's Phoenix article at all, aside from in the "see also", and it's not mentioned to be a phoenix in its own article, either), whereas the Feng Huang is. I see no real evidence that it's based on a Vermilion Bird at all, aside from possible visual design influences. RiverShock (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

A different kind of origin

I heard a couple of times in my life that Ho-Oh in the first episode was actually an art mistake, and that it was supposed to be Articuno. Did anyone else hear that? Can anyone confirm it to be true or false? I apologize for grave-digging in the event that this was already discussed. Tokeupdude (talk) 22:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)