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Why is this called Gekijouban Pokemon DP? All of the movies have Gekijouban at the beginning because it means "Movie" or "Movie version." The first Gekijouban Pokemon DP movie was, of course, the tenth movie. It's just a strange name for the eleventh movie I think. --Greengiant 06:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

My guess is that because there's no official title for the movie yet, the person who created the article titled it this. However, I personally don't think we need an article about the eleventh movie just yet. Considering we know next to nothing about it, I feel that we should have waited to begin this article. --PAK Man Talk 14:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I think we need it. I mean it's confirmed since the tenth movie was in theaters. I just think this page should be called something else until we find out a title, like Pikachu Project 11 or something. --Greengiant 15:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
It's worth noting what is known now that the movie is confirmed. I've pointed out that it is a working title so this is as good as anything until the actual title is revealed. --FabuVinny T-C-S 15:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Rumors

Not so long ago I heared that the title for 11th movie is supposed to be "Call for Arceus: the Ancient One". Could somebody confirm these rumors? --Ade Tyshio 22:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Entirely unlikely. We won't get any form of a confirmed title until the end of the year and everything points to this being the Shaymin movie. --FabuVinny T-C-S 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Who bets that if Shaymin appears, Dawn will be the protagonist? (Light)

That would be entirely predictable... so it's a 50/50 chance. She appears to actually be a true co-star in movie 10 anyway. --FabuVinny T-C-S 09:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the rumor that Ash's Pidgeot will have a role in this movie? I could have sworn that i heard that somewhere... → User:Thomas1652

"Title"

"Gekijōban Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl" is not a working title. Movie 10 also had this "title" (if it can be called so). This movie doesn't have a working title yet. --Maxim 14:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

"Gekijōban Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl 2008" is the working title. Check the official website. Unsigned contribution by Pokemaniac102.

  • I bet Pokemaniac102 has right. Nothing has a working title when it starts. I mean, I don't think they said "Hey! Let us begin with next video games that has the titles Pokémon Diamond and Pearl" when they started on them, and to make a name ONLY for a short trailer like that would be really, REALLY stupid. -- Pokémon Lover King Mario u c 21.53 (GMT +01)

Wow, someone agrees with me. Anyway, the title only means that the scene is part of a Pokémon Movie in the series Diamond and Pearl and is set to be released in 2008. Pokemaniac

Dialga/Palkia Again?!

Are Dialga and Palkia going to appear in this movie? I just realised that you see them both raoring in the trailer. They might cameo, but does anybody else have any clues as to why they are there? TESHTALKFUN 18:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably just because there's 'Diamond and Pearl' in the title, they decided to show off Dialga and Palkia. Pfff. Like they need more attention than they already do.. 281Tinaδ282 18:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

That scene was from the previous movie. Pokemaniac102

Oh, I haven't seen Dialga vs. Palkia vs. Darkrai, so I wouldn't know. XD I want to see it! *talks to himself* Mind you, I still haven't seen the 3rd movie either, got to get my hands on it... TESHTALK FUN 20:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I was right Dialga and Palkia will be in it, I think...! XD This feels like its turning into a saga about the Pokémon Gods and in the end i think that the *secret* Arceus (*cough* Not!) will be revealed... Can't wait to see Gratina and Regigigas though, they are awesome! If however, Shaymin and Regigigas and Giratina are all in this movie then the creators sure are trying to get them out of the way quickly; cramming five Legendary Pokémon into one movie is rather rushed. This is probably because there are a lot of new Legendary Pokémon that need to be shown. Maybe if, after they debut, they will return for another movie. 137TESH233TALK474FUN 16:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

They better have Shaymin. I want my legit Shaymin plz. ;C At the same time, I think that putting 5 legendaries (With two that already debuted, so I guess 3.) in one movie just seems plain weird. Although... if so, then whatever event Pokémon they'll stick in, I want it. 8D (With Giratina, Palkia and Dialga in it... that hints a trio. SPECULATION*cough*) Tina δ 17:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Movie 8 had five legendaries. And there are a lot to cover this generation. --FabuVinny T-C-S 17:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, I think there'll be one more movie with Arceus at the end. XO 137TESH233TALK474FUN 17:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think they will have a movie based on Cresselia when they get to Canalave, another movie with Heatran at Stark Mountain, and then a movie with Arceus. Random279

That would be five movies, though. On past form, Sinnoh would get 3, 4 at most. Oh, and I'd love Darkrai to come back for a Cresselia movie. Dreams Vs Nightmares! ^_^ Cassius335 18:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, maybe not the Heatran movie, but I think they will definitely make a movie with Cresselia, then if they do return to Jhoto, they might have a movie with Ho-oh and Lugia. Then they will finish with the Arceus movie. Random279

More likely there will be movies focused on 5th Gen legendaries or a mix of 5th Gen species with Arceus at the end. I doubt they would have a movie in Johto focused solely on Lugia and Ho-oh. Even if both reappear, there would be a requisite for a core 5th Gen Pokémon (like in Movie 8 when Mew reappeared, but Lucario was the star). Also, I don't know if they'd use Ho-oh as the star of any movie, considering that it's rather been symbolic figure of Satoshi's journey the whole time, and never appeared (besides Mew's transform in M8) in a movie thus yet. But it's also possible Heatran would appear alongside Cresselia and a reoccurring Darkrai. Also, Regigigas could reoccur alongside the Regi Trio. We don't know anything yet. However, this Origin Form of Giratina SCREAMS Opal Version (though Lady Berlitz's colour scheme is more along the lines of Amethyst). All and all, we'll just have to wait and see.--Satosuke 16:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Chimchar???

I din't see the movie (since I live in the U.S.), but I saw pictures of a Chimchar blowing fire in a hot air balloon. Can anyone confirm that this is Ash's Chimchar???? --Theryguy512 13:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That sounds more like Movie 10... Cassius335 15:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Movie title

The title has been confirmed by Sunain of Pocketmonsters.net

[01:33] <Sunain> 「劇場版ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド&パール ギラティナと氷空(そら)の花束」 [01:33] <Sunain> Theatrical Edition Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl: Giratina and the Bouquet of the Icy Sky

Icy Sky???

the Wikipedia article says the title is Giratina and the Icy Sky Bouquet'. Should we note this somewhere??? --Theryguy512 11:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I used the same title as Bulbanews used.Netto-kun Talk 12:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

The actual reading yields only sky, though the kanji used in the title could be read differently. Bulbapedia is going by how the name is actually read, rather than the literal meanings of the specific kanji. Musa-chan 23:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Translation

Producers again use their damn beloved Jukujikun. Should we translate 氷空 as "Icy Sky" (as characters suggest), or as "Sky" (as reading suggests)? Damn, I hate that Jukujikun. --Maxim 12:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that "Sky" is better than "Icy Sky". Netto-kun Talk 12:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe they're up high enough for it to be quite cold? Cassius335 16:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it hints at a Galactic entrance, where they go to the top of Mt. Coronet, unless they're saving that for DP movie 3. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 18:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
If they're going to do the Mount Coronet thing, I suspect they'd do it in the anime. Cassius335 23:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I could see Mt. Coronet happening in the Arceus movie. But the 'bouquet' part of the title and previously seen flowery field don't seem to match up to the icy sky. This will probably only make sense when we get more information about the plot. Like when May deliciously captured Munchlax. --FabuVinny T-C-S 16:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Translation of the title--"icy sky" or simply "sky"?

I'll give the fact that the 氷 isn't pronounced, but they bothered to use it and it should probably be represented in the translation.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow

Have you seen the official website? It dramatically changed from really grassy to really icy.Pokemaniac102 15:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Why are there Magnezones floating on the background on the offical website??? Magnetons evolve into them at Mt. Coronet.....where it is very icy........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm--Theryguy512 15:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It is likely that Magnezones will debut in the movie Pokemaniac102 16:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC) It may even be possible that the setting is set near Mt. Coronet.

Huh? I saw mountain and ridges on the ground, where it should be, and in the sky, where it shouldn't be.Pokemaniac102 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the recent Nosepass evolution didn't take place at Mt. Coronet. --FabuVinny T-C-S 16:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about DP058? That was a nosepass that evolved during the episode?Pokemaniac102 16:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

STOP THE MOVE WAR

GUYS. STOP IT. It's really getting on my nerves, seeing the Move log every 5 seconds in Recent changes. And having to change the redirects OVER and over... WHICH FREAKIN TITLE ARE WE GONNA USE. (Oh. Yeah. I totally swore because when I submitted this comment, the redirect page was there instead. =_=) Tina δ 16:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It'll be protected from future moves until next year. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 20:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
So if we do want to move the page and we have a reasonable explanation why, may we contact you?Pokemaniac102 01:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Protection

When does the protection end? I'm hoping till at least the end of this year. Pokemaniac102 21:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

00:00, January 1, 2008 (UTC), as per the log entry. Basically, when it chimes midnight of the new year in Greenwich, the protection ends. --Shiningpikablu252 21:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
ThanksPokemaniac102 22:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
And if there's any more arguing it's gonna be until the movie gets released. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 23:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I have somthing to think about!

I think this may be the Finishing blow that the third game of the D/P saga Might Infact be Opal Version, since Graintina is battling Palaka and Dialaga, just LIke Groundon, Kyorge and Raquaza having a fight, and Raquaza is the version Mascot of Emerald, tying in Ruby and Saphire.

That's just speculation, which most of us don't take too kindly to. Mudkipchan
"Palaka"? "Groundon"? "Graintina"? My word please spell Pokémon names right. --ケンジガール 02:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of us are fine with speculating as long as it stays in the forum and out of the article. I'll just remind you that the pair were fighting Darkrai in the last movie. --FabuVinny T-C-S 17:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Original Form

THUN THUN THUN!!!!!!!!486PokeManiac102492 17:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Giratina-OriginForm.png

It's like some kind of horrible Lovecraftian serpent with bloody, spiked tentacles.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 06:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, it lives on the reverse side of ours. Obviously the underworld.486PokeManiac102492 06:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm kind of hoping for some kind of cosmic horror element in this movie after seeing this form. Because frankly I love the thought of Ash (or Dawn, just as good) being reduced to babbling insanity by the mere sight of such a terror.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 06:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I share the same thoughts486PokeManiac102492 06:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Though, I keep getting the image of Ash standing on a mountain peak, turning around to find him face to beak (i think) with the origin form of Giratina. Then Giratina's body turns black and is absorbed into Ash's body. Ash's eyes turn red and he is possesed by it.486PokeManiac102492 06:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
You know, I wonder if this form may appear in DPv3... TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 08:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
If there is a V3486PokeManiac102492 17:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I think they said there is in Pokémon.com's mailbag: Darkrai's Debut. HAPPYVALENTINES

DAY 18:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

They didn't exactly imply that the next game was DPv3 or GSDS, or something else completely. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 19:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I can see how it's based off of a Basilisk now. TESHIGIGAS RAWR!! 11:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

In the pokemon mailbag it said a new game in the US and nothing to do with DP...hmm what game is supposed to come out in the second quarter of 2008?Pokemon mytery dungeon 2!!!!!--Darkmaster0

Or possibly Pokémon Ranger Batonnage.486PokeManiac102492 23:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Pretty sure they wouldnt realease pokémon ranger battonage in the US(Key word,Us) this early when it hasnt even been realeased in japan yet.--Darkmaster0

Hey, they showed the Mystery Dungeon Special in the US half a month before it showed in Japan486PokeManiac102492 23:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Shaymin or Sheimi?

Isn't the correct translation of the title "Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Sheimi"? Shaymin's not its name in Japanese. Or are we just doing it this way so people will know what we're talking about? --ケンジガール 06:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be changed to Sheimi, seeing as it's the Japanese movie. But then again, we didn't do that for The Rise of Darkrai, did we? TESHIGIGAS RAWR!! 11:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we can apply a precedent from Rise of Darkrai. Darkrai, Dialga and Palkia all have the same Japanese and English names. I'll just make "Sheimi" into "{{tt|Sheimi|Shaymin}}", that ought to fix it.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 12:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I can see why people would make the mistake of using an English name of a legendary for the Japanese title, seeing as most legendaries have the same name; but Sheimi IS different from Shaymin and the title should reflect that. This is not Serebii.net where all the Japanese titles are altered to use the English names (such as say, calling DP083 Pastoria Gym! VS Crasher Wake!! instead of Nomose Gym! VS Maximum Mask!!). The few legendaries that have alternate Japanese names should use them. Freezer, Thunder, Fire, Agnome, Yuxie, Emrit, and Sheimi all have different names from Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Azelf, Uxie, Mesprit, and Shaymin. These aren't just spelling changes (well, Yuxie-Uxie is very similar, but it's part of a trio that changed their names, and getting rid of a Y is pretty big). Sheimi, NOT Shaymin for the Japanese movie. Satosuke 12:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You're a little late, Satosuke. Since that discussion, Coro Coro has confirmed Shaymin to be the official romanisation. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 12:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Just noticed that on the official romanization page. Hadn't seen that yet. Sorry for bringing it up again. Satosuke 15:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Friendship?

On the poster, it showed Dawn reaching out to Shaymin. Is this movie going to be like when May befriended Manaphy, a sign that she has a "connection" with ledgendaries, or is it just me?PL12 23:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That may happen but we are still unsure of what will actually happen in the movie486PokeManiac102492 23:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Or it could be like that exact same movie: Ash is shown driving a ship but??? He doesn't in the movie. So maybe that won't happen at all! 493OptimatumTalk|01:51 8 Mar 2008

Hints for anime future

The poster for movie 11 shows Chimchar and Turtwig, which means that neither have evolved for the movie? What does this mean for Staravia, buizel and gligar?

Absolutely nothing. --FabuVinny T-C-S 00:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, nothing, absolutely nothing. It just shows that at the time of the movie, Chimchar and Turtwig did not evolve 486PokeManiac102492 00:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

On Serebiiforums, a pic of the main group and their Pokemon is posted. It's from the movie preview. It appears that Ash's Gligar evolves into a Gliscor, and someone else gets a Swinub. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 18:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. That's interesting. Porygon-Z 18:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
You know, that Gliscor might be Paul's, not Ash's... Tina δ281 18:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Then explain the lack of any of Paul's other Pokemon, plus the lack of Ash's Gligar. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 14:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

YEA! Plus, Paul, and not any other character other than Ash and co. that hasn't been in a movie before, would appear anyway486PokeManiac102492 14:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Damn, People!

I want this page protected for several months...at least. Every single user on this site seems to have some gripe about the article, and eight other people want to dispute it. It. Needs Protection. --ニョロトノ666 00:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

You're kinda late. It already ended486PokeManiac102492 00:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No, it hasn't. There will be more and more revert wars leading up to the movie's release. You can say it won't happen, but it will. --ニョロトノ666 00:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Um, this one is only because we had trouble finding an area to put the poster picture486PokeManiac102492 00:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
"Had trouble" is an understatement. It could have been discussed on the talk page first, but instead, there were essentially 11 revert edits in a row. It's ridiculous and childlike, and it's happened to this article numerous times. I don't mean offense to you or any other users, but it could have been handled better. I can't help but add that I agree with you regarding the issue itself, but it's no skin off my nose if it goes the other way. --ニョロトノ666 01:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Bah, I don't think this article should be protected YET! until there is a slowed down time where hardly any is revealed about the movie486PokeManiac102492 01:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
That would pretty much defeat the purpose of the protection. --ニョロトノ666 02:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Infi????

Okay, I know Infi is Zero's robot maid, and usually in the movies, the main female is always the good guy. (referring to Alice from movie 10) What side do you think Infi will be on?

-sighs- ROBOT MAID. Neither, duh. End of discussion. 493OptimatumTalk|11:22 21 Mar 2008
If you look closely in videos, in the background of wherever Zero is sitting, You see like a computer screen showing Infi486PokeManiac102492 14:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the "Alice" of this movie is Leila.YinYang 02:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Drapion/skorupi

In the video on pokebeach.com I saw a drapion or skorupi with all of the main character's pokemon. I think this means brock or dawn (possibly Ash but unlikely) catches one.Darkmaster0 01:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

err...it's a gliscor.272272Garrison12795272272 01:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

OH GREAT NOT THIS AGAIN. It was neither. It was a Gliscor. And you know, Ash already has the pre-evolve form, Gligar486PokeManiac102492 02:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh.I think it was actually ambipoms head. I had to hurry so I only saw the aerial veiw.It just kinda looked liked a drapion or skorupi.Darkmaster0 13:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Not Ambipom's head. It had claws. It was a darker purple than skorupi and drapion. It had black wings486PokeManiac102492 14:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Picture

Here's the pic with Gliscor and Swinub, if people are looking for it: pokemon.png -Dean

Finally. Now does everyone see!??!!486PokeManiac102492 20:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

man i hope that swinub is brock's...272272Garrison12795272272 20:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, remember Lucy?486PokeManiac102492 20:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

yeah,with her collection of squinty-eyed pokémon.272272Garrison12795272272 20:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

-_-486PokeManiac102492 20:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd bet it isn't Brock's, since he already has a Pokémon that can evolve and showcase Gen II (no matter how rare that is for him to get an evo). Swinub will reach Mamoswine state by the end of DP, and at the rate we're going, likely around Snowpoint. I always figured they'd put a contest up there, anyway. TTEchidna 04:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I heard there's an episode thats called Hikari and the Three Urimu! ShinyPachirisu 21:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

M11 Shaymin distribution artwork.png
It's something more like "The Urimoo Trio and the Steamy Battle."--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 00:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The swinub could, albeit unlikly, belong to Ash as Staravia isn't in the picture

Staravia is in the picture. Its behind Sudowoodo's hand... Its sorta hard too see, but i'm sure its Staravia! Takoto
Look at this! It's a poster with everyone's Pokémon on it, INCLUDING SWINUB AND SHIELDON!!!!!! There's no Gligar/Gliscor, though. The Shieldon could be Mugen's, though. I hope it's Brocks! YinYang 21:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
...You can't see it?!? Well, look to the right of the picture... ShinyPachirisu 12:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The shieldon actually belongs to the red head scientist guy in the preview, at least thats what I read. - unsigned comment from Cahillbro (talkcontribs)

it is possible that gliscor isn't in that poster with the other Pokémon because it is a problem Pokémon like chamelion/chrizard that's a long shot though probably just couldn't fit him in or he looked to scary to have with all of the cute Pokémon--lord mada 00:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

New Pokémon?

Have you seen this picture? There are New-Pokémon-ish question marks, and in the poster behind Regigigas, this is written: "New Pokémon B - To Debut in the Movie". So, we can assume that there will be at least two new Pokémon in the movie...? - Taylor 22:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if we can assume anything from that, it shows that there would only be one new Pokémon. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 22:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, where there is a New Pokémon B, there must be a New Pokémon A. - Taylor 22:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
B could mean anything. If it is "2" then the first would be Shaymin. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Well that question mark with the other legendaries is probably meant for Arceus...--Theryguy512 21:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Could be. Though Arceus will probably be held off until next year when it can get the focus it deserves. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 21:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
The god of Pokémon DOES deserve a whole movie to honor it. PL12 21:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe Arceus makes a small appearance, or like, a cameo in the movie or something? Takoto 22:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

This shows us that the New Pokémon A won't be Shaymin. - Taylor 00:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

...There was no... Palkia...Pokemaniac102 00:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

2008-05_02.jpg is this...real or fake...? KPF 16:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks real to me |: Takoto 16:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't look like any official artwork I've seen. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 17:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
It was on one of the links on a Bulbanews artical, so... I dunno... Idunno...I'll call it that! - KPF 17:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
oh yeah, it was on Filb, and I trust Filb... KPF 18:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
About the art style--this ad was probably done by whoever draws the movie manga adaptions.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 04:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
As the the Pokémon, I'd say it's daruma-based...--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 04:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

It is like a little dog...448Crystal Lucario448 11:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

It also kinda looks like a farmer, with the hat and the leafy thing, but it had a beak... KPF 15:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Now I see, it is a little owl smoking a stick with a hat on. ~Crystal~Lucario~ 11:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)11:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Guys, I thought that Owl like creature was actually an advert for "Duel Masters" and NOT a TRUE new 5th gen pokemon?
Weedle Mchairybug 12:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, was that a question or a statement...? KPF 18:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming it was a question, judging from the ? mark. That's what I read somewhere too, though (Sppf?). It's a Duel Master Monster, not a Pokemon - Cassius335 22:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Just curious, who is the pokemon running along with Tauros and Stantler in the trailer? I can't identify it so I thought it might be one of the new pokemon. - Squiffy

considering how the color coding on that promotional pen is extremely similar to Shaymin's pen and how the only OTHER pens with the same colored pen depicted Giratina with it's origin forme, I think I will deduce that Pokemon B is supposed to be Shaymin's sky form. But let's just wait and see, just in case

Also, where can I find any screenshots of the trailer? I want to Identify this mysterious pokemon that Squiffy was talking about.

Weedle Mchairybug 10:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I KNOW WHAT IT IS! Shaymin's alt forme was said to be flying type and this is perfect. Bird + Grass. A movie about shaymin. ~Crystal~Lucario~ 11:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

the art looks like the manga, so it might be a manga excluive Pokémon like Zapmolcuno--Nobody777 14:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It was NOT a pokemon, it was a Duel Master's advert. we settled this a long time ago. Weedle Mchairybug 15:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Bade Forme

I realise Coro Coro add's e's on the ends of Giratina's two form's, but do we have to? I presume it's the Japanese interpretation of Ye Olde English or somesuch, not something that's supposed to be correct in modern spelling. - Cassius335 08:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

dang...is it just me or is it not showing? KPF 16:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)!

Well, it's not really our job to decide if something official is "wrong" or not.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Since when has that stopped anyone? - Cassius335 09:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Thate spellinge ise Engrishe. Ite ise incollecte. Nintendoe arente linguiste masterse. Thise isnte firste time whene theye use incollecte spellinge. Juste looke one some Trademarkede Romanisationse. --Maxime 10:47, 19 Aprile 2008 (UTC)
LOL (Sorry, just had to say it.)ShinyPachirisu 12:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Well too bad for everyone who can't stand it; looks like it's staying for the English version. Origin Forme, Another Forme, Land Forme, Sky Forme, Normal Forme, Attack Forme, Defense Forme, Speed Forme. I wouldn't be surprised if they used it for Shellos and Gastrodon's different forms, as well as for Burmy and Wormadam's. Forme is now canonical (unless they ever double back and decide to change everything over again in the future, but I doubt that for now.) Satosuke 12:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Proof?

You know my theory that dawn and shaymin wil grow a friendship like may did with manaphy? well look what I found.

20080418_film11_trailer.jpg

Pachirisulover12 15:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

WOO HOO Like May to Manaphy and Max to Jirachi•Pokemaniac102 04:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Is that from the movie preview?? Well i guess that's cool. Shaymin looks cute too. :3 - unsigned comment from Force Fire (talkcontribs)

Have you not seen it's image on shaymin's article?•Pokemaniac102 04:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope. :D Force Fire
Oh goodness just go see it at ShayminPokemaniac102 04:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, while that pic does look convincing, I'd suggest we wait for the Movie to air before we get into anything (Much less official documentation of Dawn raising/befriending Shaymin). That pic isn't really enough to convince me, since they could have just as easily made it seem as though she did befriend it, but it never actually happened. I mean, in Charmander the stray Pokémon, Brock spent the most time with Charmander, but it was ultimately Ash who captured and raised it.
However, if this is indeed true, then I'll pray that she actually risks her life to save it (because, as much as I... well... have negative emotions on Dawn, to say the least, the last thing I WOULD want is to have her act like a coward and pratically let Zero get away with Shaymin if he kidnaps it [since that's EXACTLY what happened with May and Manaphy.].)

Weedle Mchairybug 10:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we have to worry about that. Dawn did risk her life for Piplup in DP001, so why wouldn't she do the same for Shaymin? Pachirisulover12 12:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but then again, she didn't even attempt to jump onto the arm of Mech-likid to save Pikachu in the climax of the third episode (if Ash can jump onto the arm, so can she, but she didn't, she just stood there and whimpered [BTW, that's AFTER Ash arrived]. No offense, Dawn fans, but still...)
Weedle Mchairybug 21:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Uh, jumping up on that mecha was extremely reckless. Ash would do it for Pikachu but a normal person wouldn't try that. Dawn is a very competant co-star so we'll just have to wait to see if Ash steals the spotlight again. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 21:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
He wouldn't. he's too nice•Pokemaniac102 21:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
You mean like how he was nice enough to lock May in a coffin with Pikachu and Manaphy while he saved the water temple by himself? --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 21:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I mean how nice enough he is to lock May in a coffin where he planned and failed to leave them trapped in there forever•Pokemaniac102 21:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Because God forbid Ash might actually want May and Pikachu not to drown, something Ash himself very nearly did. - Cassius335 10:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Umm... Pokemaniac, I don't recall Ash planning that in the movie (now note, if it did happen, then I wouldn't have cared either way, since I really, well, had negative emotions on her.). I mean, I watched the entire movie twice already, and not once did I recall him even saying something like that to May.
Also, to FabuVinny, I just wanted to say that, even IF Ash didn't steal the ending, it was very obvious that May wasn't even attempting to Save Manaphy since she just stood there while Phantom was getting away with Manaphy. I mean, even IF she couldn't match his jet-torpedo-ski's speed, she has a pokemon that CAN match it (Isn't it said that Squirtle's swimming ability about as fast as a Jet ski?), I mean, if they were going to show her about to summoning her squirtle, but then stopping when she sees that streak going for phantom, then that would have been understandable, but she didn't even attempt to use her Squirtle, so, really, she pretty much acted like a coward by just standing there.
Weedle Mchairybug 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Weedle Mchairybug, you know that we're just kidding right? I hope so...•Pokemaniac102 12:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, You were kidding? sorry, it's kinda hard to tell humor on text...
Weedle Mchairybug 23:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I think

I'm beginning to think they took Palkia outPM102 02:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't matter if they did, frankly. Dialga, both forms of Giratina, Shaymin and Regigigas will be plenty. - Cassius335 12:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Heatran?

I dunno where this this info originated from since it wasn't cited, but i saw the following on the Wikipedia article:

"One of Giratina's dimensions is shown in a trailer as a foggy place with floating islands, covered with a strange green thing like moss or grass. A middle island is covered in moss/grass, and in the middle is a ritual pallete, with six symbols. The six symbols are: Dialga, Palkia, Shaymin, Regigigas, Giratina and Heatran. In the middle is a Giratina in Origin Forme."

Could Heatran really be in this movie, too? Cripes, just how many legendaries is this movie gonna have?! Talk about overkill--Morgil27 08:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No. Assuming it's not just usual Wiki nonsense, it's probably just a pallete relating to the Sinnoh Legendaries (minus Arcues, though). - Cassius335 12:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Ever heard about Cressellia? Or Darkrai? (MathijsP 12:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC))
And them, yeah. - Cassius335 12:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we ALL know them by now, especially Darkrai since he starred in the tenth movie! BlueJirachi 13:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

So I forgot a couple. Sue me. - Cassius335 13:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
How is Heatran in the movie? Don't they need to have proof? BlueJirachi 13:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It almost certainly isn't, except as a picture on that pallete. - Cassius335 13:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me see that pallete. BlueJirachi 14:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. I dunno where wiki got this so-called info from, but i too would like to see a pic of this. I posted a comment there demanding proof.Morgil27 18:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible that wiki's getting unreliable these days? BlueJirachi 19:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Not just possible, but often complained about. - Cassius335 23:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

montage

If they do a previous films montage the legendary count will probably go through the roof - unsigned comment from Lord mada (talkcontribs)

What, like what they did with The Rise of Darkrai's opening sequence? BlueJirachi 15:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably--KukiTalk 16:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

misinterpretation?

probably fans misunderstood the rumors about shaymin sky forme and regigigas new form. so in the end shaymin got sky forme not ice form as rumored, so most probably regigigas will get the ice form as ity seems more sensible, for example why it is locked away in a very cold place ( Snowpoint Temple ), and i hope it gets an ice\fighting type with an ability of having no weaknesses from fire,fighting,psychic (making the attacks x1) and also a great increase in size.

What new regigigas form? --lord mada 14:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

looks like uve been on another planet lord mada, havent u heard of the rumored regigigas form not the one that is described above its another one but nobody knows how it looks like and i bet it wont look like the one described above cuz its only my prediction.--Nobody777 14:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I have heard a rumor but nothing support it I thought it was just a rumor that the morons among us Pokémon fans made up because they like to make a hole load of rubbish rumors that are hardly ever true. There is nothing on Bulbapedia about it on regigigas' page,regigigas' talk page, this page or this talk page. So I assume there is no evidence to support a new regigigas form. Also i don't think that regigigas will play a huge part in this movie like the regi-trio in the Lucario film. Therefore it should not be mentioned in the article --lord mada 14:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Speculation! And not even speculation related to the article! --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 19:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

wait a sec!!....

in the trailer for the eleventh movie regigigas appears to be awakened .... but how could that happen???!!in the game u need the regi trio to awaken him and that obviously isn't shown in the trailer at all.--Nobody777 14:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

We'll find out when our agents in Japan see the movie. - Cassius335 14:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Besides, I wouldn't think so hard about it. The anime picks and chooses when to follow the games' rules.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 16:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

there is that vid on youtube which has pics of regimaster new form looks quite real. this wut u type word by word: Regigigas SKY FORM . please comment. --Nobody777 13:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was talking about when i said the morons among us fans. Also take this to the forum you can make wild unfactual statements there --lord mada 14:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

but it looks real and official, right Lord Mada?

NO. Looks fake and there is no source for this information. Until you have facts and a more reliable source that Youtube, take it to the forum http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net --lord mada 13:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
At least one comment on that youtube video says that the "sky forme Regigigas" was created by some dude on DA who admitted it and apologized. I'm too lazy to confirm that, but it's at least as reliable as the pic itself. We ought to research further, but for now, I'd say it's quite likely to be fake. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 01:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Sky forme

Acording to a video on filb.de, Shaymin's Sky Forme is apearing in the movie. PL12 11:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

info

Can somebody read Japanese? Maybe we can dig up some info on the eleventh movie from the official site or at least a sentence anticipator.--Nobody777 14:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Obviously we're left with one new Pokémon to be revealed in the movie or a new form of another legendary Pokémon so anybody wants to guess or discuss this fact?--Nobody777 15:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably. But said discussion is probably taking place on ye olde Forumes. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 18:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section

This quote:

It has been hinted in merchandise advertisements that either one or two Generation V Pokémon will be introduced in this movie, similar to how Munchlax was introduced pre-Generation IV in Destiny Deoxys. It remains to be seen whether this foreshadowing has been interpreted correctly.

Hinted how? Would a new Pokémon be introduced without so much as a speck of an announcement that a new series is on the way? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 16:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Toy ads. I don't remember the exact story, but Bulbanews ran something about a toy ad that showed two unknown Pokémon alongside several that were already revealed (like Regigigas and both Formes of Giratina). At least one of those Pokémon was probably Shaymin's new Sky Forme, but there's still one spot left, meaning it's possible that a gen V Pokémon will be revealed in the movie. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 08:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
That one spot left was probably Regigigas' alt. forme. Weedle Mchairybug 10:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Possibly. But there's also a chance it'll be a Gen V Pokémon (and frankly, I think there are enough alt formes as it is), which is why we have that trivia. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 20:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't find it in Bulbanews, does anyone have a link? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Tah! --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 21:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you much!! But no pics...  :( ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 00:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I actually can't remember where I saw the pictures now. Heck, it took me forever to find that story, even. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 01:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
That's fine. We won't know anything concrete until the movie is released. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 01:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Palkia

Is Palkia really going to be here? I've seen many things about this movie and only the old poster has Palkia. Even in the site, I saw the legends in the movie but no Palkia. tc26 02:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It is very likely, but not yet confirmed, that Palkia may have been removed from the movie plot due to some technical issues.~Pokemaniac102 03:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It is most likely not in it, since a blog owner has given a description and a potential movie 12 name. Go to pokebeach for more info.--Arceusguy 01:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

HELP, I think

I have ABSOLUTELY no idea whether what I just did to the Summary makes it Spoiler or not, somebody please help.~Pokemaniac102 17:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Woah, slow down!

Ok, So Palkia and whatever Gen V Pokémon might have appeared are confirmed not to. But how many people attended the preveiw screenings? Are we relying on the testimony of a single person here or was there a group? It kinda goes against what I've seen Bulbapedia do to just jump on something without looking for offical proof or multiple sources Aura-Knight 23:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm relying on my cousin being there, and pokebeach.com~Pokemaniac102 23:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
And if it changes, we can always fix it~Pokemaniac102 23:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

complete it

can any one complete the story of the eleventh movie? after the dots.... regigigas pushed the glacier with impossible might . then I think shaymin does seed flare to open a portal to the real world, giratina blasts megaliba into the portal forcefully, Zero is arrested, shaymin says goodbye to the gang and tears up then follows the journeying shaymin that can transform at will, so they look like an icy sky bouquet, after all of that giratina heads to find dialga to seek vengeance. so here we get a pretty good idea of the next movie. and by the way what happenned to new Pokémon B ?--Nobody777 06:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the Pidgeot in The Rise of Darkrai? It might be a good idea to update, but since this page is a high traffic area at the moment, best to ask for permission first. By the way, do we know enough to make pages for the anime Shaymin and Giratina yet? Aura-Knight 00:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

you can check Pokébeach for more information, and to add info to the above Team rocket gets stuck in the reverse world because they couldn't get to the portal leading out in time.We should wait another week or two till the DVD is released, and we also need screenshots of every legendary Pokémon from the movie and explain thier role thoroughly. --Nobody777 06:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The DVD won't be released till December... --ケンジガール 07:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. This summary is HORRIBLE. Regigigas doesn't say that and it pushes it away. Shaymin also revives Giratina, and they become friendly. Come on, people! Let's complete this! Also, the 12th movie preview should be included.--Arceusguy 23:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

so the 19th of july was only a preview, not the real movie? i'm confused! so if team rocket is stuck in the reverse world how will the animé continue? sorry if I made alot of fuss about completing the summary, and I've seen the trailer of the 12th movie: all of dragon trio are viewed in 3-D in inky blackness with fog.--Nobody777 09:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No. It came out in theaters on the 19th. I'm saying that the DVD isn't coming out till December meaning no one can upload it on the internet till them. And quit badgering us for a summary. If any of us actually saw it then we'd make one. Were a wiki, not a synopsis maker. Go read it on Serebii or something. Jeez... --ケンジガール 09:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll put a link on the bottom to Pokébeach's summary (MUCH better than Serebii's) and that should solve the problems. (Edit: Completed that, hope Pokebeach is cool with it) Aura-Knight 21:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Summary

Why is it a problem to link to another site? We do that for most characters in the anime. I'm not going to get into a war over this though. Aura-Knight 02:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I personnally think that we should collect info about the movie from sites that we can trust, after that we return to this discussion page and review what we have collected and decide the material that is going to be on the summary section in the article.--Nobody777 05:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

2 of 3?

Where did it say anything about a trilogy? it says that it is the 2nd of a trilogy. is that just a prediction, or fact? Theininen 15:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Palkia

As we can see here, Palkia itself is seen in the movie. Should this be mentioned? --Nick. 18:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

That video link no longer works...and are you talking about that flashback thing?~Ποκεμανιακα0β 15:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes I am --Nick. 16:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
A flashback isn't a real appearance. Jmath 16:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)