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Talk:Froakie (Pokémon)

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It's suggested that the name comes from Frog and Croak. While this is possible, it would be strange for it to not reference water in some way. Another possible pair of words for it to come from is Frog and Soak. The "ie" could be just a diminutive, of course. Aielyn (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Design Origin

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a tree frog? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Or a poison dart frog? --Doggy567123 (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I personally don't see that. Besides isn't that what Croagunk is based off of? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I guess so, but, I've done a little research about them, and I think Froakie looks like one. --Doggy567123 (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Croagunk is based off of a toad, not a frog CoolDudeAl - additionally all toads are poisonous. But I would agree that it should be included that Froakie resembles some sort of frog, but despite its resemblence to tree frogs and dart frogs I think it's too early to determine that exactly. For now, it should simply be said that "Froakie appears to be based on a blue frog." (and yes, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOADS AND FROGS. Nintendo101 (talk) 23:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Croagunk is based off of a poison dart frog, according to its origin on this site. Besides, we can never determine what the creator of the Pokemon used for inspiration, unless they explicitly tell us, so we just have to go with our best educated guess as a group. Assuming they did I halfway decent job with the design, we should be able to figure out what they were going for. Finally, I never said their wasn't a difference between frogs and toads (a primary one is toads are more land dwellers, while frogs prefer being in the water more), but, regardless, I do think Froakie is based on a frog (specifically of the tree variety), so I'm not arguing against you there. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I think the point was that it could be any frog. It could be based off of a bullfrog for all we know right now. Either that or I am misreading Doggy567123's comment as sarcasm. (also, I thought toads were "wartier" than most frogs or something like that; looking this up there are exceptions to the "wart" rule and the "prefers water to land" or "land to water" rule) Also, Croagunk maybe based off of a poison dart frog. But if you ask me, it is based off of one and the same with Toxicroak, though one of their abilities is Dry Skin and toads are associated with having drier skin, still many things can be argued about this and I'm digressing. Froakie looks like a frog-like amphibian, it could be based off of any species of frog or toad for all we know (guessing more frog because of the whole "water-type" thing, and it doesn't look like a fire-bellied toad). ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 02:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Can we add that the design is based on a frog in a bubble nest now? I think it's pretty much confirmed now that we have the species name confirmed. CoolDudeAl (talk) 05:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC) Is anyone who can actually edit the page reading this discussion page anymore? CoolDudeAl (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC) Guess that's a no! CoolDudeAl (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

How about a "Blue Stripeless Frog"? It is widespread throughout France and looks a lot like Froakie.[[1]]--ShinyPatch (talk) 19:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Name Origin

Froth (as in to bubble) could also be a possibility for the English name. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Considering that the French name is partially derived from "mousse" and it would be odd to have a double animal name derivation rather than say an animal name and a water reference, I'll bet it really is "froth" + "croak" too --Joec (talk) 20:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
How about Frog + Soak/Croak + Soapy? AmaranthSparrow (talk) 21:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
How about "frost" + "croak"? Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
There has been no indication that Froakie is at all part ice type and I don't know why people come to this conclusion; its Japanese name doesn't even mention ice or cold of any kind. Until we see evolutions or possibly a moveset it is most likely not named after frost, sorry. - 050294 (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone else notice that Froakie's Japanese name, Keromatsu, sounds like Kermit, as in Kermit the Frog? - unsigned comment from Personman42 (talkcontribs)
Frog + Croak + ie suffix. The end. Scarabola (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm just pointing out that the German names of both Froakie and Fennekin have X and Y in them, a possible nod to Pokémon X and Y. Dragontail (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
The name may also come from Froggie + Soak... User:CyubicMeasures

Froakie's Possible Origins

Just posting this in the discussion in case people may have problems with this: Froakie's inspiration seems to be based upon a few factors, most notably its foam pouch is based upon various species of frogs whom create foam nests for their eggs to keep safe in. These foam nests are formed from the frog's behinds and, while creating them, eventually envelop the backs of the parent frogs, hence the backpack resemblance Froakie's foam pack has and why it is located upon its back. This seems to also match up with Froakie's japanese name, as it contains matsu which translates to bubble or foam. Here's an example image of a frog and its foam nest. Unfortunately, I am not quite sure which exact species of foam nest making frogs Froakie may have been based on.

Now then, onto the origin of the white round dots upon its face. These dots, coupled with the foam pouch and white glove-like markings it has seems to indicate that Froakie's possible origin is that of the image of Japanese folklore thieves and robbers, an example drawing of said thief/robber design can be seen here. The foam backpack of sorts upon Froakie resembles that of the thief's furoshiki, a japanese cloth bag seen on the image of said thief that they carry their loot in. The dots resemble the ends of another furoshiki tied upon the thief's nose, used as a mask of sorts to hide the thief's/robber's identities. The gloves are also simply a sort of thief/robber general stereotype as well. This seems to indicate that Froakie may posisbly end up as a dark type upon evoluton; this guessing of type, however, is just pure speculation on my part. - 050294 (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I think he looks a bit more... professorial than that. The little blobs look more like glasses than a knot. They're not attached to anything, for a start. Plus, I don't think many thieves wear white. I reckon they're meant to resemble pince-nez. Big, white, flowing hair on the back, like a professor, or a composer, or a judge. Could be wrong, though! You might be entirely right - and it's a great spot of research either way, fun read! Constantmotion (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually the dots are "connected" to the pouch via the blue stripe upon its head which lead down its back. This I feel, for this specific Japanese robber image, is pretty fitting considering the openness of their furoshiki masks and perhaps the one stripe being the only connector may have simply been implemented just to emphasize this trait. Also, I wouldn't take color into origin consideration. Pokemon don't necessarily have to be matching the origin with color. Sometimes with specific references, like in delibird's case, correct colors are vital. However, most Pokemon are either colored in bright, odd colors or ones that match with it's typing: Froakie being blue not because of the thief origin but rather because of it's water typing, like how Heatmor is bright red like fire instead of normal anteater colors. Also, thank you for the compliment! I really enjoy analyzing things. So origins, or at least their speculations and research, are my specialty! - 050294 (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that stripe is just decoration, and Froakie is based off of Ben Franklin or another scientist. (O++O) Dralcax (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
How does it resemble Ben Franklin or scientists at all? For one thing not all have white hair and the second thing is that the white extensions are based upon foam, not hair. With this same insane logic, one could say Swablu and Altaria somehow resemble scientists as well because of their fluffy white bodies, and that's just insane. Sorry, but unless an evolution's name has a scientist in it or any bit of scientist design inspiration than this origin claim is just incredibly ludicrous. - 050294 (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
It's too early to know what else Froakie was based on (besides a frog), I think his evolutions will help us figure it out, but so far I've seen everything from a burglar to a prince, and from a scientist to an aristocrat, and I don't think debating it will help, because at this point I can see where all of these are coming from, and without further information (like his evolutions), we aren't going to come to a conclusive answer. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 00:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I believe the picture that resembles Froakie so much must be this one, given the glasses, hair and cravat represented by the foam. It's name also resembles "Franklin". |) u |( e ® 01:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Welp, considering the game's release as well as the anime's, there's quite a bit of evidence now that Froakie is more or less partially based upon Japanese folklore thieves, though its evolution Greninja eventually rids itself of this origin and leans more for the ninja origin. Anyways as I talked about earlier a long time ago, you've probably seen this example image of the Japanese folklore thief, which does quite resemble Froakie. Taking into account the species actions in anime and the game so far, this reference is more than likely deliberate. Froakie has been shown to retract its bubble "pack" and using it very similarly to the aforementioned thieves. This screenshot, for example, shows froakie retracting its chest bubbles and using both it, and the ones on its back, and placing them upon its face, acting as a pretty obvious reference to a thief's furoshiki bag. - 050294 (talk) 08:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Ability

If the gender rate is already put in as the norm for all starters, shouldn't the ability (torrent) be put in too? - unsigned comment from Thesimplelife12345 (talkcontribs)

The gender rate is just there because there HAS to be a gender ratio, otherwise the template breaks. But we can exclude abilities without breaking the template. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, you can set the gender ratio to 256 and it makes it appear as "Unknown". I have done so. --SnorlaxMonster 05:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Aha! Thank you, Snorlax! Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Choppiness of paragraph regarding its status as "first-introduced" of the generation

Am I the only one who finds that beginning a sentence... no, an entire paragraph, with "It- alongside ... blah blah blah- was the first... " gives the paragraph an excessively choppy flow?

Every time I encounter this sentence in the pages for all 3 Gen 6 Starters, I have to re-read it to understand what it's saying.

I'm a native English speaker/reader, so I think there is a legitimate issue here. I propose just saying "It was one of the first... ", because the list of other Pokémon that were introduced with it isn't particularly relevant to the individual Pokémon. Stang (talk) 04:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I think I have a sugggestion to improve the sentence. "It was one of the first Generation VI Pokémon to be revealed, along with as Xerneas, Yveltal, and the [[Chespin|other]] [[Fennekin|two]] starters, to the public on January 8, 2013, as part of a special [[Nintendo Direct|Pokémon Direct]] broadcast." --Super goku (talk) 06:27, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong with it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 19:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I really dislike that "[[Chespin|other]] [[Fennekin|two]]" style. It is far better to just list them rather than linking random bits of text until you've listed things in links. --SnorlaxMonster 04:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Would this be better then? "It was one of the first Generation VI Pokémon to be revealed to the public, along with the legendary Pokémon, Xerneas and Yveltal, and the other two starters, Chespin and Fennekin, on January 8, 2013 as part of a special [[Pokémon Direct]] broadcast." I know that the first suggestion in this message is a bit comma heavy and the tt suggestion splits the sentence into two, but they are the best suggestions I have at the moment. --Super goku (talk) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
It can be made a lot simpler just by putting: "Along with Chespin, Fennekin, Xerneas, and Yveltal, it was the first Generation VI Pokémon to be revealed to the public, being revealed on January 8, 2013 as part of the Pokémon Direct broadcast." I don't think it even needs to be specified that the other two are starter Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 06:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Doing a quick comparison, I believe that is is the most natural sentence with the same meaning as the original text. I think that it would work out nicely. --Super goku (talk) 08:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
All changed. --SnorlaxMonster 11:48, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks

This probably wasn't Nintendo's intention, but to me, it looks like Benjamin Franklin. Maybe it's just me, but the fluff on his nose looks like glasses, and his 'hair'(If that's hair) looks like Ben Franklin's. Purrloin! Meow!!!

Its appearance could be based on powdered wigs in general; however, Froakie's "wig" has also been interpreted as a backpack, as part of a burglar theme. We should probably wait to see its evolutions—which will confirm which idea they were going for—before adding Ben Franklin to its design origins. yeyjordan 07:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Special abilities

Should be added that "It can jump to as high as a third floor of a building", "The bubbles on its back and chest are bouncy, which can protect it from enemy attacks" and "It can temporarily blind its opponents when launching foam onto their faces" in the Special Abilities section. ----samm :) (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

German name

According to the Pokéwiki [2] its German name is likely to come from Frosch and the words oxygen and proxy. Արիանո 10:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Attacks

According to here, the attacks of Froakie, Fennekin and Chespin have been revealed. PattyMan 18:46, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

...That's been around for weeks. And they're not being added until we know that's the way they're being learned in-game. Ataro (talk) 19:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Froakie

Until the page gets unlocked... here's Froakie's Korean name: 개구마르 Gaegumareu -- Nick15 (talk) 02:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Took me a little bit, but here's what Gaegumareu's name (most likely) comes from:
  • 개구리 gaeguri (frog)
  • mal (沫, bubble, foam, froth)
It's sort of a translation of its Japanese name... though not including part about the onomatopoeia for a frog's croaking (as that's 개골개골 gae'gol-gae'gol). However, I can't exactly account for why 말 mal got turned into 마르 mareu. I'll just have to sort it out later. -- Nick15 (talk) 05:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Type

Based on Froakie's moveset from the demo, would it be safe to assume that Froakie's evolutions will be Water/Ghost combo? I know lick isn't a very decisive attack, since alot of pokémon can learn it, but the only other move that might show his typing is Round, which would mean the evolutions would be dual Water/Normal type. Or maybe I'm just overthinking the entire thing (Most likely option)? --IwAsSoMeGuY (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd say no, because that's speculation. It's best to wait until they're revealed to say what the type is. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 21:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Virtually all Pokemon can learn moves not of their type. It's absolutely zero indication whatsoever. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Gekogashira --> Frogadier

The prev/next template, and the beginning "evolves into" part of the article need to be changed to Frogadier instead of Gekogashira. Thank You!--ShinyPatch (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2013 (UTC)