Moves listed as "Start" on Pokemon that cannot be obtained through breeding
Pokemon at the top of the evolutionary chain, which cannot be obtained through breeding, have moves listed as "Start". For example, Togekiss learns aura sphere at the start, but there is no way to breed a Togekiss, as it is at the top of the evolutionary chain. Also, legendary Pokemon have moves listed at start, but they have no egg group. Can somebody explain this? - unsigned comment from Dreeb (talk • contribs)
- No, egg moves are those gained in breeding, not at the "start". Start moves can only be learned through the move relearner. —darklordtrom 04:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's not any more. Titles should be in the singular. —darklordtrom 08:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Huston, I Have a Confusion
I bred the following two Pokémon:
And the offspring was
With Aipom only knowing its two start moves. Shouldn't it have known Bounce, one of its egg moves? The only reason I can come up with is that Wailord learned Bounce in the Day-Care and wasn't taken out until after he bred with Aipom.
- Your only reason is right. Put them back in the daycare and try again, the eggs should hatch into Bounce Aipom this time. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 12:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
More confusion from someone else
I don't get it. My male tyranitar with dark pulse won't pass the move onto a newborn charmander. Why not?--Celibi25 16:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- Charmander can't learn Dark Pulse by any method. So it will never have it as a newborn. Werdnae (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Possible Correction Regarding Gen III Mechanics
I was using a CodeBreaker GBA device to experiment with the mechanics behind breeding in FireRed, and found that if I inserted an artificially designed Pokemon that knew moves that it normally should not in to a box in my PC, withdrew it and placed in in the Daycare with a breeding-compatible Pokemon, the impossible move would be passed on two the offspring, even if said move was not possible for the offspring to normally learn either.
Here's a case scenario:
A Male Charmander that has been created with a normal moveset with the exception of one move: Perish Song. Normally a Charmander cannot learn this move. A Female Marowack with an ordinary moveset (unhacked).
When bred, I produced a Cubone which knew Perish Song, despite the fact Cubone too should not be able to learn the move.
I just think it's an interesting anecdote regarding breeding-mechanics that, at least in FireRed, it appears that during the breeding process, the game assumes that the father's moveset is valid and does not actually check it (which makes sense in normal circumstances) when passing moves on to offspring. This may be useful should future glitches that could result from this lack of checking, are discovered. - unsigned comment from GetOutOfBox (talk • contribs)
- Actually, Perish Song is an egg move for Cubone. You can get it to learn it legally with a Lapras father. --SnorlaxMonster 12:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Egg Moves Through Ditto?
What would happen if you took a Pokémon that knows an egg move and you bred it with a Ditto? Would the offspring know the egg move, too? I'm working on breeding a Pawniard that knows Psycho Cut, and I have a Drowzee from the Dream World that knows Psycho Cut, (which is one of both Drozee's and Pawniard's egg moves) but it's a female. Is there any way around this? ----Zewis (29) 21:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
- Both Drowzee and Pawniard are in the Human-Like Egg Group, and both can be either gender, so it can. The reason we don't list it on the breeding tables is we only list the most direct parents. --SnorlaxMonster 06:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- So, to extend on this topic for each of the types of moves,
- 1st scenario: If I breed a Gengar with Mean Look with a Ditto, will the Gastly end up having Mean Look?
- 2nd scenario: If I breed a male Gliscor knowing X-Scissor with a Ditto, will the Gligar have X-Scissor? How about if I breed a female Gliscor? Tk3141 03:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- I did some experimenting a while back with this on Diamond, with a hacked Ditto to see how the game treats it in different breeding scenarios. The Ditto had Transform / Explosion / Hyper Beam / Ice Beam. I performed three breeding experiments on it to see if egg moves would be passed along.
- Lunatone - Egg hatched with normal lv1 moves
- Male Golem - Egg hatched with Defense Curl / Rock Smash / Earthquake / Rock Climb (last three were moves father Golem had)
- Female Lapras - Egg hatched with Growl / Water Gun / Hyper Beam / Ice Beam
In this article, it talks about how certain Pokémon cannot learn egg moves, and it points out that they generally cannot learn TMs or HMs either. But the two examples it uses are Unown and Beldum, both of which are genderless as well as not learning TMs or HMs. Would it be better to use an gendered example, like Caterpie or Tynamo? --Zewis (29) 18:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Caterpie can inherit Bug Bite (a move it normally learns at Lv.15) if both parents knew the move when breeding, so it's not a good example either. Also note that genderless Pokemon can never inherit any moves at all, due to lack of a "father" to inherit them from. For now I'm going to rephrase that entry to say "genderless" instead of "certain". (Tynamo is still a good example, though.)
Other pokémon with egg moves
In the list of Pokémon that learn a move by breeding, can other Pokémon learn the move through Smeargle, if the said move cannot be chain bred? For instance, assume in generation III games, the move Memento. the move can only be learned by pokémon in the Amorphous group, and can't be chain bred to any other egg group because castform which is the only pokémon in another egg group (in gen III games) cannot learn it. But, if smeargle learns the move via Sketch, it might be able to pass it down as an egg move to other Pokémon in the field group. Yet still, pokémon in the field egg group aren't listed in this group. is it because this isn't possible, or is it just a mistake? W00tious (talk) 12:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- If the only legitimate way a pokémon can learn a move is through Smeargle, it will be listed and noted that this is the case. For example, the move Hex in BW only. Information on egg moves comes from the games coding; if, in Gen III a Field group pokémon were able to learn Memento, it would be noted as such on the page. So, yes, if the only way to get a move is through Smeargle, it will be made clear. (So no, no Field group pokémon is able to learn Memento in Gen III, with or without Smeargle, because none are programmed to learn it.) Also note Nosepass on Head Smash, for an example of a move we know it can have through breeding but there is no legit way of getting it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Generation II egg moves vs level-up moves
I fully understand the mechanics behind a set of moves a baby Pokémon gains upon hatching, but I've come across a situation where a Pokémon can learn a move both by breeding and by leveling up. For example, according to Pokémon Stadium 2 data, a Totodile can learn Hydro Pump as an egg move even though it can learn it by leveling up. That means a baby Totodile can learn it even if its father knows Hydro Pump and its mother doesn't. Otherwise, both parents would have been required to know Hydro Pump for that to occur were it by leveling up. Same can be applied for Cyndaquil's Quick Attack. Can such moves be listed under a Pokémon's breeding list, or should they still be omitted? Note that the game uses a sequencing mechanism (writing level-up moves first and egg moves last), which means that if it treats Hydro Pump as a breeding move, there's a greater chance that a baby Totodile can learn it (level-up moves can get overwritten easily due to 4-moves limit). Any clarification is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Mazion (talk) 14:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
- I had no idea about this mechanism, and as a result I apologise about reverting your edits, I was only just made aware of it by some of the other staff as well that it does indeed exist. As a result of this I recommend that any moves that are included in the separate breeding list by the games if they are learnt by any other mechanism other then the breeding itself, such as the Hydro Pump for Totodile, include a note in hidden text by using <!-- and --> to make other users aware with an explanation of: This move is included in the games Egg move list, for further information see the Egg move talk page.
- Hopefully this will prevent any further confusion on the matter. Again, I'm really sorry, i've never heard of this before. --Spriteit (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2013 (UTC)