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Stun Spore

Butterfree's missing Stun Spore for generations from Yellow to III. --Raijinili 12:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC) The move list still doesn't match up with [1] --Raijinili 07:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Pink Butterfree

I may be missing something, but the Shiny Butterfree does look pink to me. Why do both pages (this and Pink Butterfree) say that the shiny sprite is not pink? If this is correct, what color is the shiny sprite exactly? MoldyOrange 02:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The shiny Butterfree is a purple Butterfree with pink wings and green eyes. The pink Butterfree is just like the normal Butterfree except its wings and body is pink

Spr 4d 012 f s.pngPink Butterfree.png

see the difference? --ケンジガール 03:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Red and Green sprite difference?

I'm sure it's just my OCD talking, but I think that Butterfree's Red and Green sprite, specifically it's wings, looks different to the other sprites. They almost look like moth wings. Is it noticeable enough to add to the trivia section? TheChrisD RantsEdits 20:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Sprite trivia sucks. Yes, they look different but technology those days was fairly crap. We generally don't include sprite trivia, though there are a few exceptions here and here. — THE TROM — 21:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Butterfree/Venomoth conspiracy

I think it's worth noting the undeniable resemblance that Butterfree has with Venonat and the Venomoth has with the Caterpie family. Maybe this deserves a trivia entry? The original Venomoth art shows it with yellow circles, like Caterpie which never showed up afterward, probably to correct the fact that the sprites were switched (perhaps on accident, or perhaps because Venomoth looks more moth-like and Butterfree looks more butterfly-like, or perhaps even because thinking forward, Venomoth wouldn't have been as popular a choice for the anime character to wield. The Great Ratsby 14:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Speculation and opinion. So no. --ケンジガール 18:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
This is described on the TV Tropes wiki as a "throw it in" (e.g. fan speculation retroactively made canon by the owners), so it's definitely a plausible possibility -- but without an official source (TV Tropes being a fan-contributed wiki itself) to confirm the rumor, the only way to mention it would be as explicit fan speculation. E.g:
Butterfree's design bears a strong resemblance to Venonat, leading to some speculation over whether it was intended to be the design for Venomoth instead. --Stratelier 19:09, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivia worthy?

I have an old 2001 issue of Beckett's Pokemon magazine that states in the first generation of Pokemon that Butterfree was the only Pokemon capable of knowing 8 moves at once. Is it worth putting in the trivia section? Frozen Fennec 19:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Also worth noting that Butterfree is one of the few part flying Pokemon that can't learn Fly? Frozen Fennec 19:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The Fly bit doesn't belong here, because Butterfree isn't alone. See the first trivia point here. The other bit, no, because I'm pretty sure it's not true. No Pokémon can know more than four moves at a time in the games. I think magazines and guidebooks have made too many mistakes for them to be noted on the Pokémon pages. Werdnae (talk) 01:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Name Origin

I have a theory that Cater"pie" (pronounced like "pea"), Meta"pod", and "Butter"free are part of a food-themed naming convention (particularly that of peas), but my editions stating this as possibility were reversed. To a lesser extent (not present in my edits), "Cater" (pronounced as in the act of food catering) and "pie" (pronounced as the dessert) also have culinary implications, and (reaching further around) "Meta" could refer to one's "meta"bolism. I also once received "free" food at a Burger King, a known sponsor. Am I alone? Also, why will no girls date me? --GrowlitheandEkans 03:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Venonat -> Butterfree?

Has anyone at Game Freak ever commented on the widely-spouted theory that Butterfree and Venomoth were switched around at the last minute? (Venonat and Butterfree are impossibly similar, y'see.) NP Chilla 22:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

As said above, it's fan speculation, so no. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 22:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Ahem...
  • Shellos and Lapras: Upon Shellos's discovery in the prerelease phase of Diamond and Pearl, fans thought it was a pre-evolution for Lapras due to its similar shape.
  • Heracross and Pinsir: Before the release of Gold and Silver, it was speculated that Heracross would be a pre-evolution or evolution of Pinsir.
  • Luvidsc and Mamanbou: Due to their similar appearance and identical typing, it was speculated that Alomomola would evolve from Luvdisc upon Alomomola's introduction to the public.
  • Kyurem: It is widely speculated that Kyurem is related to Zekrom and Reshiram due to reasons such as their types and names, in the same way Giratina turned out to be closely related to Dialga and Palkia.
So that should not be a reason not to add it to the trivia. If this is not allowed, the others' should be removed. XVuvuzela2010X 22:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I honestly forgot about the others...

I suggest adding it, then. Or remove Heracross and Pinsir. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 23:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

However, 3 of those examples are more regarding prerelease misconceptions more than anything, and the Kyurem one is simple logic based on Giratina and Rayquaza before it. - Blazios talk 00:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Inaccurate Evolution Notes

In the generations which "Shed Skin" became a standard for Metapod, you could, in fact, force it to evolve at level 7, by having an opposing trainer;s(Or, presumably wild) pokemon put it to sleep repeatedly(3+ times) in one fight. This is largely undocumented because few people bother to keep metapod in a fight for very long, due to it's pathetic move pool Atk stat HP bar everything except Defense.

I only recently came across this because I recently began playing Heart Gold(My first DS experience), and had just such an event occur. The "Shed Skin" ability, when used repeatedly, in the same fight, seems to actually MAKE THE POKEMON SHED IT'S SKIN(Which is pretty damn cool, given that Nintendo & Gamefreak doesn't usually put "Realism" into Pokemon).

And yes, Confusion comes default, at this level. This, I believe, is one of the few times when a pokemon can learn a move through evolving, without actually leveling up.

This doesn't come recommended, however. Comparing a butterfree that evolved naturally to one that evolved early resulted in a notable decrease in defense and SP Def stats(25ish points total less at level 25.), in exchange for a minor SP Atk boost(It's about 5-10 at level 25).

Considering Butterfree is already the laughing stock of the evolved bug pokemon list, this isn't particularly worth doing, though the SP Atk boost does mean a level 26 butterfree can obliterate Ecruteak's gym leader, without having a SINGLE ATTACK HIT IT(Spam confusion. Avoid the status causing moves. You WILL get killed by just about anything everyone but Gastly can do. ESPECIALLY SHADOW BALL.) In all honesty, however, that's probably about the ONLY TIME you will ever think this is a "Bonus". (Save the brief few battles before your other level 7 pokemon with less potent STAB moves than Confusion are not high enough to get cool STAB moves. So, basically, until you have to face off with WhitneyNever if you started with Cyndaquil.)

Sojikari (talk) 08:22, 13 February 2014 (PST)

What the heck are you talking about? This can't really happen, right? Jdthebud (talk) 08:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

HGSS Shiny Back Sprites

I see no difference in either of the HGSS male or female shiny back sprites as compared to their counterparts in DPPt. Why are they listed separately in the "Other Sprites" section? Jdthebud (talk) 08:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't see a difference either, but somehow the D/P/Pt male is 1.16 KB while HG/SS is 1.45 KB, and the females are 1.15 and 1.44 KB, respectively. --TheVeryBest 19:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I optimized each one, and both females were 1,066 bytes and both males were 1,073 bytes, so the difference was probably because of whatever program was used to make each one. I see this as further evidence that they are the same and the HGSS shiny backsprites should be deleted. Can we get an official ruling here? Who should I bring this issue to? Jdthebud (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Spriteit seems most involved in this subject, or try someone from Project SpriteDex. You could try posting on the images' talk pages, though there's no guarantee anyone will see your comments. Since Pika3323 left no image summaries, it's anyone's guess why those were uploaded. --TheVeryBest 21:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)