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"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..." I checked a few of my manuals:

  • English Red: refers to him as "rival"
  • English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
  • Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
  • Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"

So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --Meowth346

Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --greengiant

Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --Meowth346

Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - Ferret 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)


>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta

Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --Meowth346


Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? Fishman 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Blue's Charizard

Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --ZellMurasame 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. TTEchidnaGSDS! 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. Satosuke 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm.....

Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)

Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2

Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. Satosuke 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

A few things

The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. tc26 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).
Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. Satosuke 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. Gligar 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. Satosuke 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? Satosuke 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? Okoa 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Same here. It's just going to be a bitch to change. But, I'll go about it, piece by piece, and I'm sure other people will too. Satosuke 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll help you out. That's a lot of Trainers to change. =) Okoa 17:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Champion

This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?

I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. Satosuke 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Generation III Champion sprite

Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. Okoa 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --Maxim 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! Okoa 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Quotes

Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? Gastlys mama 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

[1] [2] IIMarckus 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! Gastlys mama 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Brown?

His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. Lovely Rose 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Page size

Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --ケンジガール 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Idea For the Size

I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:

Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen

Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes. SL-samacontribs 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --Maxim 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? TTEchidna 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a main article link for the other three. — THE TROM — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like {{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}. SL-samacontribs 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — THE TROM — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --Raijinili 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. TTEchidna 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. GreenGyarados

RBG section prototype

Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.

The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.

Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, Daisy, not to give Red a Town Map (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).

...

It isn't until they meet up again in Lavender Town's Pokémon Tower that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose (Exeggcute, Gyarados, and Growlithe for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.

...

After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.

Not really sure whether to focus on plot or gameplay. --Raijinili 08:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I like it, but I've added a tiny bit to it. TTEchidna 08:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Version-specific nomenclature

Based on the default names in FireRed and LeafGreen, should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his FR/LG battles) carry "Green" in place? Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize G/S/C use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). TJF588 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable GSDS to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. TTEchidna 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --Maxim 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Well that too. TTEchidna 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --Evice 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
That was probably because nothing had Blue in Japan. Or something. Who knows. Yellow came out there when RB came here. TTEchidna 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

So about calling him "Green"

Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's always been Green there) this is moving to Green. Same goes for Janine if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). TTEchidna 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Yay!!!! --LaprasBoi 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
In the trivia, it should be noted that he's the only gym leader with a generic color name. Ampere 07:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
So do it. Although, I’m not really sure that’s important... --LaprasBoi 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Separating the article

As they said, this article is too long. Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page. Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)" And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)" --Ruixiang95 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. - unsigned comment from MasterKenobi (talkcontribs)
Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. TTEchidna 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to Blue (game)/Generation I parties and the Stadium lists to Blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... TheChrisD RantsEdits 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Good job seperating Generation I/II's Pokémon. When HGSS comes, the page will be long again.
How about this? List of Pokémon, all put as "show" then open the "show" is the sprites, another "show" will be the Pokémon used? It is confusing??? --Ruixiang95 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

about his sprites...

In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different sprites. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> 223Dåv]d 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. One sprite for early battles, one for later battles and one for the Pokémon League battle. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 15:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't his name be Green?

Well, the reason why we seem to call him Blue is because of the US Pokemon Red & Blue versions of course. That's probably because in Pokemon Red, the default name for your rival is Blue, and that's his name in G/S/C.

But were in Gen IV now, so shouldn't his name be Green? Since LeafGreen version was not renamed WaterBlue or something in the US, and according to FireRed version, the default name for your rival is Green.

Also, wtf is the female player of FR/LG being called Leaf? And since when was the HG/SS named Soul? And since when was the D/P/Pt rival named Pearl? I already know the answer: they never had those names :/. --Chaos Rush 00:38:19 (UTC)

At the moment we are waiting for HGSS, where Blue/Green will be an NPC, rather than a rival, to see what his name is. Until then it was decided above that he will be Blue, as that was his only NPC appearance where the player does not name him.
The female player character for FR/LG is called "Leaf", because that is what she is named if you cancel out of the naming screen without putting a name in the first version (i.e. Fire Red). Soul is currently called such based on Leaf (prefix of second version), but may change when HGSS comes out.
Pearl is called such for the same reason as Leaf - that is what is given if you cancel out of the name entry screen in Diamond.
Ask an admin for the official policy, but it appears to be that if they are never an NPC that is not named by the player, then they are named with whatever name it gives them if you enter a blank name - essentially the game's defaults. Werdnae (talk) 00:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
That's not true. In FireRed, if you leave your name blank, it does not come out with Leaf. It comes out with a bunch of random names, such as "Suzi" and "June". Also in Diamond and Platinum, if you leave your rival's name blank, he automatically becomes Barry :/. Again, that's pretty much why I think that Leaf and Pearl are stupid fake names. Chaos Rush 04:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Uh, "Barry" is at the top of the list for Pearl, not the autodefault for when leaving the name entry blank. Trust me, if Barry WERE the autodefault, it would have been reflected in the title a long time ago. --Shiningpikablu252 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
That makes absolutely no sense. What you just said directly contradicts what the article itself says. The article for Pearl said that "Barry" is the autodefault for both Diamond and Platinum :/. Chaos Rush 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
...No. No, it doesn't.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 16:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Then explain this: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pearl_(game)#Optional_names_for_Pearl
OWNED. Chaos Rush 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Show me the word "default".--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't that what you meant by default? :/ If that's not the case, tell me what you mean by default, and tell my why the article says "Barry" for Diamond and Platinum. Chaos Rush 17:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Look under the list, not in the list. --Shiningpikablu252 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. But to me it still doesn't make sense how if GameFreak have stopped naming their characters after version names in R/S/E and D/P/Pt, why would the Rival have a version name as his name? And what's with favoring Diamond version over Pearl O_o... And judging by the way "Leaf" was named, then wouldn't that mean that "Pearl" would be Cedric according to in-game hidden data? Illogical of course. We might as well rename the Leaf article, "Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi" since those are the defaults, right? That's why it makes no sense, if Leaf is to be named after hidden data, than it would be logical to name the D/P/Pt rival after his hidden data, "Cedric", and yet you guys name him from the default name, while Leaf doesn't get a default name. So why does Leaf get to use her hidden data, while Pearl uses his default?Chaos Rush 17:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

(/resets indent)This is Blue's talkpage. Don't complain about Leaf or Pearl here.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 17:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

And of course somebody thinks of an excuse to abruptly end the argument once the evidence/logic is shoved in their face. Chaos Rush 17:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(reset) This is probably due to Pearl actually having a pre-set default, while Leaf doesn't. The internal coding is Leaf's fallback, one Pearl doesn't need. --Shiningpikablu252 17:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I will keep on arguing once this is brought to the proper location.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 17:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, shouldn't he just be referred to as Rival (R/G/B), instead? Same for all of the other Rivals. I don't think anyone will agree with me, but it's more official... -ConfuseRayMisdreavus 19:03 1/16/10,

Trivia is Shorter

I made the trivia a bit shorter, and I want to see if was OK with ya. So is it? (I saw the tag, so that's why.) --The Bulb's Master 12:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC) King and Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita.

Template recolors?

Why were his GSC/HGSS templates recolored? I mean, all his other templates are perfectly OK, with the blue head color, current version border colors and stuff. May I ask why the color change? All of his templates are the that color scheme, so I'll change it back until anyone objects. --Bulbafan 23:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

His colorscheme in the games is green in HGSS. It's Blue color for GSC because he was Blue then because of Red and Blue. In HGSS he gets LeafGreen color because he's gonna be Green because of FireRed and LeafGreen. Red's the same way. TTEchidna 23:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Except he isn’t. I reverted the color change that was made when we only had Serebii’s word for it, but now that the games are out, I’m reverting my revert. --LaprasBoi 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

English name

After playing through HGSS, I'm thinking they'll be calling him Green in the English games. His room's green, his Gym's green (where all others have their typecolor)... though like Clair, his Gym has two colors... While Clair's had the colors of the Dragon type icon in FRLG, Blue's Gym is green on top... and blue around the sides. TTEchidna 23:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. The default name of Green is Green in FR/LG not blue, but since Bulbapedia is a dictatorship, and the higher ups says, "Well in FR/LG you can name him whatever you want, so Green isn't his official name". *Facepalm* Pokemon1234567890
If it was a dictatorship, you'd be banned for saying that. ;)
But anyways, it used to be Green before we revamped the whole site about a month ago. Soooooo... don't be saying crap like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Huh? RAHB, you're thinking of the manga guy. This wasn't moved, it was always Blue, cuz that's his name in English GS. IF his English HGSS name will be Green, then we'll move him. --electAbuzzzz 17:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Really? I thought this was moved too... oh well. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
You got a point Hunter Blade. If it was a dictatorship I would've been banned. Okay, It's a monarchy, but anyway back on subject. The only reason his name was Blue in generation one was because of the lack of Green being released anywhere besides Japan. I bet the Japanese Bulbapedia doesn't have this problem. (I bet they are laughing at us). -Pokemon1234567890
The only reason they'd laugh at us is because we have a canonical conundrum (actually, I'd think they'd rather feel sorry we're even in this situation) that won't be solved easily (why would the Japanese have this issue? It's not theirs). Which Japanese is the top canon, "Green" is not English canon (yet). You're reasoning he's "only Blue because..." verifies that, for the time being, yes he is Blue in English canon. That's top par. And if HGSS carries over the "Blue" issue, you people will still argue, "But he's Green over there!" But he's not Green here. And if HGSS does have Green, it will be changed, because that's apparently how it's done (why Jackson is Vincent despite being Jackson first).
And yet, we've recently tucked in out pants to put the Special manga into its English roots. Which meant, yes, changing the Green character into Blue (as is English canon, despite the issue with their eye colors that makes) and vice versa. We support English canon for our frontyard (meaning it will always be the face of Bulbapedia: English language denotions) and use Japanese canon to support what is needed to be supported (as it is true canon). But since names are changes from Japanese ones to English ones, proper names are not infallible, nor are taken as "correct" over the English ones. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
So much for that theory. :-p --LaprasBoi 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Location on where to get his PokeGear number and battle time

We are missing that. If we have a thing that tells what his team is during the rematch, we should have the time and place on where you can get his number and when you can battle him. --ケンジガール 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

From Daisy Oak, actually. Her article implies it could be any time... —darklordtrom 00:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

last name

It appears that his sister's last name has been confirmed in the game. This implies that his last name is also Oak. Should this be moved? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll support the move. But in which game was it confirmed? CuboneKing 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
FRLG Fame Checker for Daisy. It's the Four Island entry. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
OK then. Support. CuboneKing 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Oppose. Who the hell would look for him under "Blue Oak"?? :/ 梅子 01:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Umeko's right. Changing to oppose. CuboneKing 01:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Should it at least be noted? I don't think it should be moved, but it should be noted. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, at least let it be noted... CuboneKing 01:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Another thing, Umeko, isn't that way redirects exist? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people that go to bulbapedia search Pokemon/pokemon instead of Pokémon, yet they are kept at that name due to it being official. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
This is the same bull we got into with May Birch/Brendan Birch. NO THANK YOU. Like Blue is staying there, Blue is. We're not moving him. TTEchidna 01:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Should it be noted though? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Reset. Keep Blue where he is [at "Blue (game)"], set up a "Blue Oak" redirect, and in the article, set up the first sentence as "Blue Oak (Japanese: オーキド グリーン Green Ōkido)". No change necessary, tidbit is addressed. Things like that are done on Wikipedia all the time, when someone is known by a name, but their real name is longer, or different from what they go by. No harm, no foul. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 02:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Blue Oak goes to his manga counterpart, so should it become a disambiguation? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I say we leave the page title as-is, but call him "Blue Oak" in the opening sentence. Like we did in Sapphire (Adventures). Also, yeah, I guess it should be a disambig since they do have the same name. --ZestyCactus 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hair

While Gary Oak in the anime clearly has brown hair, I guess people are overlooking the fact this character has hair just about the same color as Misty's. His hair is clearly not brown, it's orange, or at the least burnt orange, which is the color most natural redheads have in real life. Someone needs to change his information, please. Getsuei 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Nope, it's brown.--ForceFire 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

[3] I disagree. Unless it has officially been called brown, which I doubt. Getsuei 05:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd call it auburn, actually.
Tell me, did you join Bulbapedia just to bitch about hair colors? 梅子 05:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No, this isn't the first thing I've done since joining, and that's not the reason I joined. Why? did you join to "bitch" about new users? Also, you clearly don't know what auburn is, because auburn is a deep shade of red(the actual color) and brown. Guess I'm pretty good at bitching about hair colors though. Getsuei 05:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to know a more correct term, it would be burnt orange, the color many natural redheads have. Getsuei 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

That's about the same color as a light brown colored pencil. Crayola brand. In both the 12 and 24 pack. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I think most people who have used colored pencils know they don't come out as dead on as the color's name. Also: [4]

Compare him to Brock's game art, tell me how similar they are? Getsuei 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

There's a thing called shades. TTEchidna 05:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, and his hair is clearly a shade of orange. And since you know about shades you should know most people with orange tones of hair have light brown tones along with them. Are you making a point? Getsuei 05:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
He is a fictional character no one cares. 梅子 05:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Then why are you here if you don't care? Also, why does his page even have a slot for his hair color if no one cares? Why does this site even exist if nobody cares about anything? Nice way to back yourself up. Getsuei 05:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Hehe... you're not helping yourself either, Getsuei. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
We're here to tell you to shut up and stop bitching about all the small details, so shut up and stop bitching about shit no one cares about. --Psyライダー 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

"Kinda orangish-brown with flecks of white in it, happy now?" So somebody edited his page to say this. Okay? The fact just about everyone here has problems with me just because I wanted to get his details on his page right, even to this degree of flaming, is crazy. Nice way to run a wiki. It's not like I came here cursing at people. I really could care less if you are all so bent on going off on me for trying to get a minor detail fixed. I just thought if the site cared to list the information, it should pay attention to simple detail. Getsuei 05:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

It's the same sort of instance we went through with freaking Golbat. "no dude its blue i know because the pokeydex don't matter". That kind of bullcrap. Don't worry so damn much about Blue's hair. It's brown, a light shade of it. TTEchidna 05:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
It's also brown in his battle sprites. — @ 05:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The reason we care so much about it, is because you're the only one who disagrees in this conversation. THAT is why we're getting annoyed. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

cough déjā vū cough--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... 05:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Clearly it's not brown though. That's the whole point. I guess we should go to Misty's page and say it's just a bright shade of brown. And if it were stated somewhere his hair was brown, I wouldn't even try to change it. I'm not an idiot, I just happen to know something about redheads. Misty's hair looks pretty brown in her battle sprites too, does that mean her hair's brown. In artwork and in his profile it's orange, so because his battle sprites have slightly more brown hair you wanna call it brown. Quit avoiding the blatant fact he has a redhead tone of hair people. Also, if for example a room full of people told you Pikachu wasn't yellow, would that mean it was true? No, because it's obvious. Getsuei 05:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
What's funny about you comparing Misty and Blue, is that the dark parts of her hair are as dark as the light parts of his hair. It might not look like that until you compare them side by side, because the lighter colors of Misty's hair make the dark look darker. I know, because I mess around with colors all the time and sometimes confuse myself with them. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
What are you getting at? Just because their shades of orange aren't the same color that means his hair isn't orange? What are you even saying? Getsuei 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
You could say that Blue's hair in the artwork is bronze-coloured... It's not really orange, and it's not brown at the same time? — @ 05:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
You are saying that his hair is basically the same as hers. It's not. I agree, his does look a bit orange, but not if you compare it to Misty's. Then it looks brown. And for me, hers could pass off as an orangy light brown until compared to an actual light brown. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The point is that people who are brunettes do not have orange in their hair naturally speaking. If you have orange in your hair you are a redhead. I'm a redhead, I know the facts about redheads. Burnt Orange, Orange Brown, whatever. The point is his hair isn't brown, it's clearly a shade of orange. Go to Princess Daisy's page on the mariowiki. You people probably think she's a brunette, but you're wrong. Her hair just happens to range in shades of dark and bright orange. Even stated by Nintendo her hair is orange. The point is you people are avoiding the fact that just because his hair isn't a blatant bright orange color, that he is not a brunette and his hair is not classifiable as brown. If you all really want to be so stubborn as to avoid something so obvious, fine. It's obvious if I could edit this page some moron would revert my edit anyway. Also, nice job responding to someone with flames when I didn't even act rude or "bitchy" in the first place. Now though, you people can decide on this situation for yourselves. Hope you base it on facts and not your uninformed opinions. Getsuei 05:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
You realize you just wrote a huge paragraph arguing over hair color right? Come on. Argue about something that actually matters. --ケンジガール 06:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought Princess Daisy's hair was brown. SeanWheeler 00:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Trivia error

"Blue is one of only two NPCs who has been both a Gym Leader and a Champion. The other is Wallace (though Wallace was a Gym Leader before becoming Champion, and Blue does the reverse). Both of them were the eighth Gym Leader and Champion of a region introduced in an odd-numbered generation." This is wrong as Blue wasn't a gym leader until gen 2 an even numbered generation.--Lycos Ex Mortis 07:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Refers to the region, not the character Super goku 07:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Return

Given that Blue's Pokémon use Return in Generation IV, isn't it possible to calculate just how much his Pokémon love him?--Mongeese 22:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Probably not, at least not exactly, since damage calculation has a random component. But their friendship level should be somewhere in the game code directly... if anyone knows where to look. --LaprasBoi 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The use of Green?

Okay, we all know it's Blue in Generation IV by now. But his default name in FireRed is still his Japanese name, Green. Maybe the article should mention this in the FireRed / LeafGreen section? LinkTheLefty 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation error

Blue is not a game, he's a game character. The disambiguation, "game", makes no sense. --Bilge 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

May is not an anime, she's an anime character. We don't need titles that are five miles long. "Blue (your jerkass rival from the Kanto games). Blue (game) is good enough. TTEchidna 23:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
While it initially doesn't make sense when you're new(ish), the game refers to the fact that the article is about someone/something in the game continuity, the anime refers to someone/something in the anime continuity and so on. —darklordtrom 04:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Number of Pokes Trivia

There are 42, and I don't see why someone keeps changing it back. >:(

1. Bulbasaur 2. Charmander 3. Squirtle 4. Pidgey 5. Pidgeotto 6. Abra 7. Rattata 8. Ivysaur 9. Charmeleon 10. Wartortle 11. Kadabra 12. Raticate 13. Exeggcute 14. Growlithe 15. Gyarados 16. Pidgeot 17. Alakazam 18. Venusaur 19. Charizard 20. Blastoise 21. Rhyhorn 22. Rhydon 23. Exeggutor 24. Arcanine 25. Eevee 26. Spearow 27. Sandshrew 28. Fearow 29. Shellder 30. Vulpix 31. Magnemite 32. Sandslash 33. Vaporeon 34. Jolteon 35. Flareon 36. Cloyster 37. Magneton 38. Ninetales 39. Heracross 40. Tyranitar 41. Machamp 42. Rhyperior

I guess this person thinks he has a Magikarp that evolves into Gyarados or something like that, when it doesn't. MagicBarrier 01:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Manga

Shouldn't Shigeru or Green be mentioned? The manga section only refers to Pokespe. Lovely Rose 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if Blue has other counterparts feel free to add them. —darklordtrom 23:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

trivia

"Blue is the only rival with a starter that could be weak to the players starter"

But doesn't the rival in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum become weak to the players starter if you choose Chimchar?

Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? Gengarzilla 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Hate to jump in on an old conversation, but I noticed that Blue in Yellow is the only beginning rival (ie not Wally) with a starter that's never super effective against the player's starter. Vaporeon is weak to Pikachu (Doing half damage to Pikachu, while getting double damage done to it from Pikachu), Jolteon and Pikachu do half damage to each other, and Eevee/Flareon and Pikachu do base damage to each other. -Dresden213 22:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Flareon's moveset.

I don't know why, but in Pokémon Yellow, Flareon is capable of using Reflect. When I used Omastar (or Omanyte) lvl ~42 to fight him with Water Gun Flareon doesn't attacked, just used Reflect every time. Also, recently when I attacked it with Thunder... it used Reflect. Does moveset varies or what? Marked +-+-+ 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Alakazam's moveset

In Pokémon Yellow Version, Champion Blue's Alakazam knows the move Psychic. Swift or Kinesis must be wrong. Probably Swift, since Alakazam and its evolutionary relatives aren't capable of learning that move according to Bulbapedia. It might know Reflect as well. This also applies for this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_%28game%29/Yellow Nechifor 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

From watching various YT videos, I confirmed Recover, Kinesis, Psychic and Psybeam. Looks like Swift was wrong. --SnorlaxMonster 10:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Claus?

In HGSS his official art looks a lot like the masked man from MOTHER 3 without his mask. I am not the only one who has noticed this. here is a mask-less Claus- http://www.flickr.com/photos/75005145@N00/3095867094/ sorry, that's the best I could find...- unsigned comment from Ghost chimera (talkcontribs)

No, not really. --SnorlaxMonster 06:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Moveset error

I recently battled him in Silph Co. and his Charizard used Smokescreen, Wing Attack, and Flamethrower. Oh, and his Charmeleon used Smokescreen during the Pokémon Tower battle. Sludge 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Mention of scrapped music?

I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure if fake or not. But I found one of the battle music on youtube, and it mentioned it playing in B/W but it was scrapped. Is it true? If it is, isn't it worth a mention in the Trivia box? Chocos0 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I personally don't think it's notable. Not enough evidence it was truely scrapped or not. Also adding trivia is currently not allowed. --Pokemaster97 23:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
It's in the games' code and it's unused, it's definitely not fake. The R/S version of the legendary beasts theme is mentioned in their article, even if it's only part of a trivum. - Blazios talk 00:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

"Blue will not battle the player until he or she has the other seven Kanto badges. "

Apparently not in Crystal, as I didn't defeated Blaine yet, but I could challenge Blue in Viridian Gym. Marked +-+-+ 18:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible change of font

Hey guys, not exactly sure how this site works or how to edit pages, but is there any chance of changing the colour of the "show" spoiler tags on Blue's team lists? Trying to see blue on blue doesn't exactly go too well, and people newer to the site than myself may not even realise they can open the lists out. Same kinda goes for any other pages that Blue is featured on, such as the Viridian Gym page. As I said, I'm new to the site and thought it better to write in here than to go straight ahead and edit the page itself. SandShrewsbury 12:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

FRLG Champion sprite trivia

This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? SatoMew 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Remove Kanto Elite Four Template.

Blue has been removed from this template because he is not one of the Elite Four. That template should be removed. Kookamooka 23:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Six Island Quote

Article is locked, so I will paste it here for anyone to add it:

Six Island
"Hey, <player>! How's your Pokédex filling up? It looks like it's impossible to get all the Pokémon by hanging around just these parts. Maybe there are Pokémon we don't know about somewhere far away... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Well, if I can't do it, there's no way for you to get it done. I'm not going to get all desperate over this. I will keep collecting Pokémon at my own pace while I train them. That's what I'll do. So there's no point staying here. I may as well leave for home. That's that, then! Smell ya later!" LurKasumi 04:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Age

can we do 10 in FR/LG and 13 in HGSS because they are set 3 years apart? and if so would this be applicable to red? --Glalie Power (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No. Besides, Red was 11 in RGBYFRLG. Blue's age was never released. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 00:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Trivia Thing

Concerning the bit of trivia that mentions his Raticate being the only Rival Pokemon to be replaced, in May's optional second battle in Rustboro city in Pokemon Emerald, she has a Torkoal that's eventually replaced by a Slugma. Although, I don't know if this is an error considering the fact that Brendan's article states he has a Slugma in that battle. In either case, that trivia should be removed. --Azurillglow2mlw7 19:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Dead Raticate?

I keep coming across fan art, videos and other instances that say that in the original Red and Blue, The Rivals asks you if you know how it feels to have a Pokemon of yours die while in Lavendar town, and that this is why he doesn't have his Raticate anymore. I know the article's transcript of the conversaton betwen rival and player make no mention to this, but still there are so many people stating this and even claiming to remember it.

Its been to many years and my Red and Blue games were lost long ago...is there any truth to this...or could it be just some regional translation thing; like people in certain regions receive differently translated game text? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this. Yamitora1 (talk) 04:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

No. It is pure fan speculation.--ForceFire 04:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Ah, oh thank you. Man this thing has spread like wild fire; it everywhere. Yamitora1 (talk) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Blue- Gary Confusion

It has come to my concern that you have added Gary's battle's from "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition". You see, "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" is based off of "Pokemon│ Season 1: Indigo League", so in "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" you play as Ash Ketchum from Pallet Town, and your rival is Gary Oak, not Blue Oak. Now the story is more similar to "Pokemon Red Version" & "Pokemon Blue Version" but the anime wasn't that far in progress yet. The anime is just a more detailed version of the story is all. Same goes for the manga and the games. So I believed this should be fixed. - unsigned comment from Alakazam Dan (talkcontribs)

The game characters =/= the anime characters, and though the game is based basically off of the anime, Red and Blue are not the same as Ash and Gary. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 15:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I know Red and Blue are not Ash and Gary, that's exactly my point. The games Red,Blue,Fire Red and Leaf Green you play as Red and your rival is Blue... but the game yellow is based off of the anime it is suppost to follow the events in the anime meaning you are ash not red - unsigned comment from Alakazam Dan (talkcontribs)
Based on =/= carbon copy. A lot of the things that happen in the anime don't happen in Yellow, and everything that happens in Red and Blue happens in Yellow. You still play as Red in Yellow. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Separating the articles out by character

I have an idea. Why not seperate out Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow as individual characters, just make it be that Red and Yellow are brothers who are rivals of Green and Blue Oak, who are also brothers. Basically, Red and Yellow happen and so do Green and Blue. LeafGreen... Leaf is just her own character. --DarthNightmaricus (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing you mean to treat all of those games as canon? Which isn't necessary since a) they're all pretty much the same storywise, with a few minor differences and b) what you're wanting to do is just fanon which isn't going to happen. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 22:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Joining Team Rocket?

I can't remember where I saw this, and I kind of doubt it, but is it possible that Blue/Green/whatever we're calling him (as long as it's not Gary), joined Team Rocket? This is interesting to me because of Team Rocket disbanding in generation 1, Blue taking over the Viridian Gym in generation 2, the reappearance of Giovanni in generation 3, and Blue's reappearance in generation 4. I think they (Blue and Giovanni) both appear in generation 5, but, I'm not sure. WATERWarrior67 19:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Any such discussion belongs on the forums, not the wiki. Nothing in the games suggests that Blue joined Team Rocket in any capacity, so to say so would be total speculation. --AndyPKMN (talk) 00:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Didn't know that. I wasn't sure either, especially because it's more or less a rumor. WATERWarrior67 17:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)