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Prof. Oak

How the heck can Prof. Oak be Ash's father? that would mean that Ash is Gary's Uncle, and the whole canon would be ruined, I think the most likely candidate would probably be Silver...buuut thats just me! ...uhh...KPF 04:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

People only think that because Professor Oak is close to Ash's mother. If he was Ash's father, then why doesn't Ash call him "dad"? Why would they keep something like that from him? And I don't believe in that "forbidden love" crap for a second. Personally I think Professor Oak should be removed as possible father. It's just a stupid fan theory created by ElderShippers. It's most likely not true. And even if there is a romantic thing between Oak and Delia, that doesn't mean that he's Ash's father. Giovanni and Silver are more realistic choices. Though truley, I believe Silver is his father. I mean the guy reacted to Ash's name when Ritchie spoke of him and he has a lot of things in common with Ash. --ケンジガール 04:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

agreed! yeeaah!! -KPF

Silver is the only character there is any evidence for but Giovanni and Professor Oak have enough of a focus whenever the subject comes up to warrant a mention here. Though, personally, I'd say Professor Oak is more a realistic possibility than Giovanni. --FabuVinny T-C-S 00:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
If it was Prof Oak, I'd have thought they'd have mentioned it by now. Cassius335 00:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The identity of Ash's father is unimportant enough to have remained on the drawing board for at least six years now so that applies to any character.
What is important in canon is that Ash sees Professor Oak as the closest thing to a father, as is shown in the Mismagius episode. --FabuVinny T-C-S 01:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Snover

Could you see Ash capturing a Snover? I can for some reason

~Dean

I can a little bit --Theryguy512 11:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Only if the writers have cooked up a plan to get rid of Turtwig. He never keeps two of the same starter type in his party unless the writers plan on or already know something's going to happen to one of them (such as Bulbasaur needing to peacekeep at Oak's after sharing the spotlight with Chikorita/Bayleef), and since Snover is Grass/Ice, that would require Ash to get rid of Turtwig, a Grass-type, sometime along the road.
Odds are you'll find a Vegas sportsbook with pretty good odds of Ash getting rid of Turtwig, especially since one turned out to be Paul's starter and Ash ended up with his Chimchar. Don't go betting on the Aipom/Buizel trade, however, since you'll get a horrible payout...--Shiningpikablu252 11:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Snover would be a bad idea, as it dies horribly against Fire. As for Turtwing, it IS a starter. Maybe it just won't become Torterra. If Ash has to get rid of someone, I say Staravia, though probably not until after it runs out of Gym's to be super effective against.

I tink James will be the one who gets a Snover. KPF 17:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think James will get a Snover, but I think Ash would to capture a Snover. Because he had previous ice pokemon like Lapras and Glalie. Could he be capturing a Snover? Joannes

white space?

What's with all the extra white space? It makes the article look daft because large chunks of the page aren't being used. Cassius335 22:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

What white spaces? :S Tina 22:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it was your comment about the break that made me take a look at the page and realise that there is a LOT of unused space pretty much all over. Never really clicked before then. You're right, by the way... it DOES look better without the break. Cassius335 00:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Befriended Lucario

Since we add that Ash befriended Haunter, couldn't we also say that he befriended Lucario as well? I mean we have to list every single Pokémon Max befriened so why not Ash? --ケンジガール 22:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

On another note, we might as well as Latias too. So what do you think? --ケンジガール 22:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. We should add Lucario and Latias.. Tina 22:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
That has the potential to get way out of hand. We list the Pokémon Max befriended because specific focus was given to them since Max doesn't own any Pokémon. Haunter is there because it belonged to Ash in a fashion for a short time. Lucario and Latias were just friends who happened to belong to Aaron and Bianca, respectively, if anyone. --FabuVinny T-C-S 16:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Latias didn't "belong" to Bianca. She just protected her. There's no evidence of a capture. The same thing with Lucario and Aaron. And since you say that we shouldn't put down Pokémon owned by other people for befriended Pokémon, then why does that Shuppet count for Max when it was already befriended by Emily? I don't see how this could get "out of hand". I'm only talking about adding two Pokémon. --ケンジガール 22:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
It could get out of hand because it would mean that we would have to pretty much include every single wild Pokemon that Ash has ever made contact with. As it stands now, both Haunter and Larvitar showed up in multiple episodes. However, Lucario and Latias where pretty much just glorified Pokemon of the Day. --Dual 02:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
What about Riolu? It appeared in two episodes, Ash kind of had a bond with it, and it might be owned by that old guy. Should it be counted or not?Pkmnluvr25 15:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ash did befriend Riolu. He used his aura for a second time!PokeManiac102 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, that's just one of far too many Pokémon to list. --FabuVinny T-C-S 15:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes but this one is special. Ash did something that only appeared once, in the 8th moviePokeManiac102 15:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ash's aura abilities go in the paragraph on aura. It has no effect on the Pokémon listing. --FabuVinny T-C-S 15:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
And, it appeared in two episodes, specifically a Pokémon Special, unlike other Pokémon that Ash has befriendedPokeManiac102 16:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
And Hippopotas, it appeared in two episodes as wellPokeManiac102 16:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
We have to draw the line somewhere and right now it comes before those two. --FabuVinny T-C-S 21:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

About the temporary section... (mostly his Larvitar)

Shouldn't Larvitar technically be under released pokemon as well? I mean, really, Ash's larvitar is just as much his pokemon as pikachu is. I mean, If you guys were willing to count Misty's Togepi as her pokemon despite her not keeping it in a pokeball (in fact, I'm not even sure if it even HAS a pokeball), I think it should be fair enough for Larvitar to be counted as his pokemon as well. ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Unlike Togepi, Larvitar was never officially considered to belong to Ash - especially has he already had six Pokémon at that time - and he was simply delivering it to Mt. Silver. --FabuVinny T-C-S 16:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Umm... Didn't Ash have his pokemon roster limit upgraded to 7 in AG? and I still don't see how it Isn't officialy ash's pokemon. Vulpix wasn't exactly officialy Brock's pokemon either (Brock even stated it wasn't really his), and it is still listed under Brock's released status despite that mere fact. By your logic then Brock's Vulpix should be listed under the temporary status. besides, people also claim that in order for it to be Ash's pokemon, it must have been caught/placed inside a Pokeball. But, heres the catch, Misty's Togepi was never caught (or even just placed, for that matter) in a Pokeball, and yet it was still counted as Misty's Pokemon.

That's because Vulpix belonged to a CoTD. Besides, Brock had Vulpix for like... what, a lot more episodes than Larvitar. Larvitar (At least I don't think so..) wasn't officially CAPTURED either. Vulpix (I believeth) had a Poké Ball. Etc, etc, reasons, reasons. Tina 17:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
No, Ash's maximum was still six in AG. (Pikachu, Grovyle, Swellow, Corphish, Torkoal and Glalie with the last two replaced by Donphan and Aipom in BF.) Besides, Larvitar left before AG so that still wouldn't affect anything.
We went over who owns Vulpix in the recent headache-enducing species article name debates and it was concluded as Brock for the reasons on Vulpix's talk page. Larvitar is among the group considered on a case-by-case basis but it goes under temporary here because it wasn't a member of Ash's rosta - he was just delivering it its mother. On the other hand, Togepi was agreed to belong to Misty in the episode it hatched and Vulpix was definately under Brock's command for its entire time on the show. --FabuVinny T-C-S 17:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Buizel/Aipom

The edit war has already begun, I see. Would it be worth putting all four pages (Ash Ketchum, Ash's Aipom, Dawn, Dawn's Buizel) in protect mode? Otherwise I bet they're going to get edited back and forth quite a few times over the week - Cassius335 12:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't call TWO reverts an edit war... Agent #448 | 12:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC) (Ryguy did the first one!)

Yet. Cassius335 00:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oddish

Don't we need an article on Ash's Oddish? We've got all the others, including Fearow. I can't do it because I can't do Japanese characters. --Groudon465Talk 17:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I guess no. ( Ash's Oddish? This is new to me! O_O) -うずまき ハルカ 22:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean we've go all the other's???? we only have Ash's Fearow!!!! --Theryguy512 22:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

There are only two Manga Pokemon listed, Ash's Fearow and Ash's Oddish. Fearow has his own page, Oddish does not. - Cassius335 00:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I mean every Pokémon in the template. --Groudon465Talk 23:43, 13 Deccember 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly. I created pages for his Arbok, Weezing, and Meowth, but they got deleted. Missingno. Master 21:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Now, me personally, I think that a main character's Pokémon deserves its own article if the main character in question did any of the following with it:

Missingno. Master 05:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

With Proffessor Oak

Sorry about messing with the sprite order, but I figured an even number of 'sprites per row' would look better. Cassius335 20:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

"Starting with the Advanced Generation story arc and onward, the trend of Ash having all three starter Pokémon has been reduced to him only having one, while his other companions have the other Pokémon. This trend has since been broken with the capture of Chimchar in the Sinnoh saga."

I'm going to edit this so it reads a bit differently. Considering that it only actually happened in Advanced Generation, and that there is still a chance (KEYWORD: Chance. I doubt it will actually happen.) that Ash will capture his own Piplup before D/P is over, it seems a bit off to leave it.--Dual 02:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's what I edited it to: "In both the Kanto and Johto story arcs, Ash managed to capture all three of the starter Pokemon for both reggions. This trend was broken in the Advanced Generation story arc, where he only captured Treecko, while the other two were obtained by May and Brock. However, it is possible that the trend will be reestablished in the Diamond & Pearl story arc, as Ash has already managed to capture both a Turtwig and Chimchar, two of the Sinnoh region's Starter Pokemon."--Dual 03:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The chance of him getting a Piplup is too small to be stated as a possibility. --FabuVinny T-C-S 00:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Because (Sorry, you can't start a sentence with 'because' because 'because' is a conjunction) Ash already has a Water-type, and Dawn has Piplup. I'd doubt she'll abandon Piplup. Optimatum♏Talk|Hi 08:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

You do have a point in regards to Buizel, so I'll give you points there. As for Piplup... Well, That may be true, but then again, Ash ALSO already had a Bulbasaur AND a Squirtle, and that never really stopped May from acquiring both Pokémon. so just because one of the main cast members already has a pokémon doesn't necessarily mean that another character can't have another pokémon of the same species. But, since Ash already has Buizel (and not to mention that the writers implied that the trade was permanent due to Ash telling Aipom to have Dawn win the Grand Festival), I think that Piplup may be a lost cause.

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

Trust me, Ash has a better chance of getting rid of Turtwig than he does of getting a Piplup. Before the events of DP052, everyone believed Brock would be the one in the group that would have a Chimchar, be it Paul's or a wild one.
The reason odds point to Turtwig possibly not being kept and not Chimchar is again Paul. Before the events of DP040, it was believed Chimchar was Paul's starter while Paul's starter was actually Turtwig. Since Ash is no longer getting all of a country's starters as was the case in Kanto (he might not have even gotten Squirtle if he only went the one starter route from the beginning since Gary's starter was Squirtle), the odds of Ash's first Sinnoh release (as in an actual release, not a trade) being Turtwig is the most likely. (As far as I'm concerned, Ash's preferential treatment for Grass-type starters is over and done with until at least Generation VI.) It could possibly create a pattern of fully-evolved starters from three straight generations--Sceptile from Generation III, Infernape from Generation IV, and the fully-evolved Water-type starter from Generation V. --Shiningpikablu252 16:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd think that if anything, Ash would give Chimchar to Brock, continuing the trend from the Advanced generation. --M190049 20:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Continuing the trend? What trend?Pokemaniac102 20:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well there may be a new trend starting like Ash caught 1 starter in Hoenn, now Ash has caught 2 starters in Sinnoh and maybe in the fifth gen Ash will catch all 3 again. Pokemon Master

This trivia section is ridiculous...it needs cleaned up. -Sketchies 11:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Define "cleaned up" - Cassius335 11:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I think there's too much trivia for one page. TESHIGIGAS 11:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well Ash is the main character, he should have a lot of trivia. Ash's Gligar, on the other hand, which has only been in 2 episodes, has WAY too much trivia. --Theryguy512 13:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Maturity

Hate that new pic. That was Season 1 for crying out loud. Cassius335 14:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

So? It was still Ash. That was his defining moment back then. Sure, he's changed since, but it's still hilarious. TTEchidnaGSDS! 15:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
So next to a paragraph about how Ash has grown up and matured, you want a picture of Ash looking like the angry immature kid he left behind by... what, Johto Journeys? Cassius335 01:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
It does look out of place when we've got the picture of AG Ash in that section anyway. --FabuVinny T-C-S 13:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
With "Ash in original clothes" a short distance directly above it, too. Cassius335 17:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Sinnoh Safari Zone

Does anyone see an episode with Ash and friends in the Sinnoh Safari Zone, because I mean, Nintendo should get over the Legend of Dratini, plus Ash really needs to catch more Pokémon! I mean if they could let him get a Gible or Gabite that would be awesome and make him evolve into Garchomp, which would then probably make the Garchomp Ashs strongest Pokémon. And yeah I kinda do see Ash catching a Snover, but does anyone think that a main character might get a Skorupi, I think its pretty likely. -Big Johnno

It's not likely that they'll allow Ash to capture a Gabite - they wouldn't even let him keep Larvitar. Ash never really captures powerful Pokémon. If anything he'll probably end up with a Riolu but that seems unlikely. He has 5 Pokémon already so he'll probably have to wait until later on in the series anyway. --Woodland:M ☆[ 16:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Iron Island probably won't be until after Canaclave, so Riolu will definately have to wait. Cassius335 16:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The anime didn't visit the Hoenn Safari Zone. If it were to have, it would have taken place between AG085 and AG090, closer to AG090 since Hoenn's Safari Zone is nearer Lilycove as opposed to Fortree.
That said, I don't think a visit to the Sinnoh Safari Zone seems likely. If I were to place a bet, the episode skipped in Japan due to earthquakes getting an airing is more likely than Ash visiting Sinnoh's Safari Zone. --Shiningpikablu252 21:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
REALLY? I would place a bet on the opposing.Pokemaniac102 21:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems like most of the Pokémon from the Safari Zone have been seen elsewhere already - Toxicroak, Carnivine, the 3rd/2nd/1st generation Pokémon there etc.. Then again namewise the Great Marsh isn't really like the other Safari Zones and it's more like the nature reserve in Kanto (remember the Kangaskhan kid). It's also quite a big part of Pastoria so it might have an appearence. I can't see Ash catching anything from there though. --Woodland:M 01:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ash could actually catch a Gible because they still have to go back all the way to Canalave City so they probably could and I don't think Ash would get a Riolu. But still there are plenty of Pokémon in the Great Marsh that Ash hasn't seen yet, like Skourpi or he could catch a Pokémon thats already been seen before and just capture it since that sort of thing tends to happen in the anime. Charizard Rules.

Oh, he haven't reached there yet.I bet Dawn would have Stunky ,James would have Hippopotas and Ash would have 30 Rhyhorn.(It does not need to match with the games)-Billy4b2004 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

But I would like them to catch them in other places rather than in the Great Marsh and Ash would directly caught a Rhyperior instead of 30 Rhyhorn.-Billy4b2004 10:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Pokémon Picture

Why was the Spurt! picture with Ash and all his Pokémon up to the latest Japanese episode deleted? Put it back on!

Kenji-girl objected on Serebii's behalf. Cassius335 13:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That "All Pokemon" Pick is missing Lapris and Larvater. Cerberus

I think I can answer this one. Larvitar was just befriended get that through your head second Ash never said he would come back for it one day like he did, Butterfree and Pidgeot plus the page probably didn't have enough room, hey try making a picture with all of Gary Oak's Pokémon.

Can we get some more opinions here? Keep or drop that pic? After thought I'm switching sides and agreeing with Kenji-girl to drop it, but Big Jonno seems determined to keep it. Cassius335 11:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

But still no Lapris. Cerberus

Ash Crossdressing Pic

Am I the only one who liked the first pic better? New one's kinda overwhelming the section. Cassius335 09:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Overwhelming? It doesn't even take up half the section. Besides it's cute. --'ケンジ'ガール 07:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The pic covers a section of 13 items of random trivia - about 30 lines or so. Of these, the Ash crossdressing item is exactly two. So your pic is next to about 28 lines of Trivia (12 items) that have nothing to do with it.
Besides, what do we do when the "look, it's Ash in a dress!" novelty finally wears off? Cassius335 10:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
P.S. The old pic takes up about 14 lines (5 items). Cassius335 10:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Nobody's going to care about it. I mean cant you just size down the picture a little? --'ケンジ'ガール 11:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, about Ash cross-dressing, I think it should be added that each time Ash has worn a dress, it was always forced upon him in some way. The first time was because of Team Rocket and they tricked him by saying this was the only way for him to get into the gym. Second time, Ash agreed to do a "favor" for May, not knowing what that favor would be. And finally, with the Cafe episode in D/P, apparently there were no outfits for guys to wear, so Ash had to wear the girl's maid outfit. Someone needs to mention this, maybe not all the details would be necessary though, just saying that "Ash has never willingly crossdressed before" or "It should be noted that all 3 times Ash has crossdressed, it was forced upon him". --PokemonTrainerLisa 08:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

???

Not like I don't believe it, but I just want to know where he got two Sooth Bells. KPF 04:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

When he battled in the Hearthome Tag Battle Competition with Paul. There prize was Soothe Bells for each of them. Paul didn't want his so he gave/threw it to Ash. --'ケンジ'ガール 05:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)