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Talk:Ash's Raticate

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Why?

Okay, articles for Haunter and Larvitar, who are in more than one episode, I understand. I also understand "Ash's Beedrill", as it redirects to Casey's Bedrill. But why on earth does this Pokemon, who should be mentioned nearly wholy in Butterfree's article, get his own? Is it more signifigant than 'Max's Jirachi' or 'May's Manaphy'? Or how ab out 'Jessie's Charizard', another Pokemon that they own for less than an entire episode?--PikamasterADV 16:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Because it was traded to Ash, and it was actually a Pokémon that belonged to him. May's Manaphy is now called Manaphy (anime), and Jessie's Charizard actually belonged to her, albeit for a short amount of time. --PAK Man 21:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I just singled out Manaphy because it was the best example I could come up with. THEN I thought of Charizard. The thing about it is Jessie's Charizard DOES NOT HAVE IT'S OWN PAGE! I'm wondering what makes a Charizard that was owned for less an episode less signifigant than a Raticate that was owned for less than an episode. - unsigned comment from PikamasterADV (talkcontribs)
Nothing, really. It's just that no one's made an article for Jessie's Charizard yet. --Pie 23:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Then is someone gonna go make a Jirachi (anime) page as well? - unsigned comment from PikamasterADV (talkcontribs)
No reason why they couldn't. The main reason why anyone doesn't would be the lack of motivation. --Pie 00:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Offtopic, but that Unsigned thing is cool! I was worried that I might have had to come back and add my name to the end of those.--PikamasterADV 00:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


Shouldn't this be at Gentleman's Raticate, with a redirect from Ash's Raticate? Yamikuronue 17:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

This Raticate is only significant because Ash owned it for a while. Naming conventions get a little complex with articles like this but a general rule of thumb is that Pokémon who transfer ownership from a main character to a minor character are placed under the main character's name. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 22:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jump Kick?

I don't know about the dub, but in the original Japanese version, the Gentlemen clearly says "Tobigeri" (Jump Kick) when Raticate does the move. Was this changed in the dub or should it be changed? Either way, it is worth noting that both are unable to be learned by Raticate. --Jda95 03:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I watched the dub myself, and unless my hearing is crap, he definitely said "Hi Jump Kick". In any case, I'll make a note on the page of the Jump Kick thing. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 21:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok..

For the old post's examples listed above, this should NOT have it's own article. This Raticate isn't even a major recurring Pokémon at all, and other than the fact Ash temporarily had it, it shouldn't just have it's own article like this. No other Pokémon similar to this Raticate get their own article either, so why is Raticate so very different from the rest? Other one time Pokémon get articles because they're movie characters, so that really can't be an excuse for Raticate to get it's own article either. It just doesn't make too much sense at all.... Shiramu Kuromu 21:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ash still owned it, however briefly. And it was pretty much what started up the plot for the following episode: when Ash traded back, he dropped Butterfree's Pokeball and had to chase it, preventing him from escaping the ship. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 21:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, BRIEFLY. Same thing about Larvitar as well, but Larvitar on the other hand deserves it's article because it appears in more than 1 episode. Unlike Larvitar, Raticate stays in this single episode the entire series. Shiramu Kuromu 21:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Point 1, second sentence. —darklordtrom 03:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Name

All other Pokemon who have been traded have taken up the name on the wiki as "<Current Trainer's> Pokemon". Why doesn't this follow the same pattern and be "Gentleman's Raticate"? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 21:10, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

That's not necessarily true. When the character who currently owns the Pokémon is so unimportant, it will go to the main character. Otherwise it would be Suzy's Vulpix and Benny's Lickitung. --ケンジガール 22:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Then I feel that they should be moved. After looking at the Jump Kick (move) page, it says "A Gentleman's Raticate" while linking to "Ash's Raticate". I feel that all three pages should be moved. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 15:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't think so, people don't generally look up "Benny's Lickitung" or simmilar. I think it's fine where it is. --Pokemaster97 19:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

List

"Raticate is the only one in the list above not captured in a contest." It's not a list. It should be something like "Raticate is the only one of the three not captured in a contest." No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 04:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Wait a minute.

So let me get this straight. Ash's Raticate is noteworthy enough to have its own article and James's Gyarados is not? I'm sorry but I don't understand how that works.

Personally I don't think Ash's Raticate is noteworthy enough to have its own page. I mean what can you possibly say about it that you can't say on Ash's page or on the episode's page? I think the paragraph is short enough to fit on either page, but not enough for its own article.

I do think that James's Gyarados is more noteworthy. At least that Pokémon was for more than one episode. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I noticed that there are similar discussions above, and let me just say this. This Raticate had absolutely NO impact on the plot. Everything that happened on that ship would have happened regardless if Ash got that Raticate or not. If the Raticate did have a big impact on the plot, how? Other than the fact that it's the first traded Pokémon I don't see it. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


Not Notable

I know this has been brought up before, but I don't believe this Pokémon is notable enough to have its own page. I think it should be redirected to Ash's page. I don't believe the fact that Ash owned it is enough to give it an episode. There are plenty of other Pokémon he has owned for less than an episode that don't have pages, so I believe that this one shouldn't either. Pokemon champ (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with this. Raticate is explained entirely on Ash's Butterfree's page. Everything you really need to know about Raticate is on that page.Oliver-and-polar (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It had an impact on the plot. It had an impact on Ash. Ash saw it battling, was impressed by it and was willing to trade a Pokémon for it. Afterwards, when Ash called out Raticate, it made Ash realize his mistake. And because he wanted to trade back Raticate, he was trapped in the sinking ship. There, three plot points were Raticate contributed.--ForceFire 01:11, 6 July 2014 (UTC)