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Per Day

What time zone will days be counted by? The time zone each user is in, the server's timezone, something entirely different? I think this might be a very good thing to have stated in the policy, might help to avoid people proclaiming others have gone over the limit due to the day not resetting in their time zone yet, or any other time related possibilities. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 06:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

If we have to get technical, it would be UTC. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 08:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Getting technical would probably be best. When things go unwritten on the policy pages, they often get questioned. See the last topic on the talk page for the Signature policy. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 09:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it should be based on a user's own time zone. Chocolate 01:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
That takes too much research for just a warning, and, not everyone has their time zone specified. It would be too much hassle for the slight benefit it would make for the person breaking the rules and editing the userspace too much. MaverickNate 01:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Error

               Anything we find that shouldn't be there, we will get rid of it.

Does anyone else think that this sentence is kinda wacky?--RexRacer -talk 23:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

i do. i took care of it. hope its satisfactory. -- MAGNEDETH 23:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

the f word

are fanfics allowed, I was told they werent, but theres nothing on theres saying fanfics is not allwoed? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

Fanfics aren't allowed. They forgot to mention it on the policy, but it's been stated several times, and a while ago the admins deleted all fanfics. --electAbuzzzz 17:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they are allowed now? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No. They're not. No reason why they should ever be allowed. --electAbuzzzz 19:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Want fanfics? Then upload them on some hosting or Bulba forum and put link on user page. Nothing more, nothing less might be just okay... --TakeruDavis[1] 14:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Just some things

This policy doesn't mention the number of additional pages which user's are allowed to have in addition to their main user space (User:<name>/<page title>). This would tie in with how much content a user would be allowed to have on their main user page (...shouldn't be larger than -- bytes). Also, if a page would become mainspace material upon completion, with Admin assent, would the number of edits per day affect this page? TESHIGIGAS 17:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

ARE YOU ALLOWED FANFICS? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010
No. --ニョロトノ666 01:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Added. -- MAGNEDETH 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
back to the topic at hand, this is something that was discussed, but ultimately never agreed on, so, i think we should agree on something. as for pages bound to become mainspace, that is based on what an admin says, we already sort of do that. i think it was Cipher for example made a TCG page in userspace, but then moved into mainspace, but, he had an admin's permission to edit it more than the allotted 3 times. -- MAGNEDETH 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

How about...

Instead of the limit being 3 edits per day, and users being warned for going over the limit, how about we do some work on the site that will make it so that once you've done 3 edits to the User: name space, the edit button disappears for the rest of the day? Think about it. It'll take a lot of work, but it'll be for the better in my opinion, because then, we won't have to worry about anyone going over the limit ever again. Discuss. Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 16:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Anybody home? Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Is that even possible?--The Kkllnnator カメックス 22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was possible to create the abuse user group. However, Zhen said that it took a lot of work to do. I'd imagine my suggestion is possible, but it'd take a lot of work. Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 22:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't even know if something like this is even possible. Jmath 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
With a high level of hacking the MediaWiki itself, it is indeed possible. Just, who has ftp access? Gywall(Talk) 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I think developers have ftp access. Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't that with hold everyone for only doing three? There are many cases where doing more than three is allowed: reverting vandalism, redlinks, duplicate images, updating that card list. Warning users is not hard, we've been doing well with doing it. But restricting it so that you can only make three edits would cause a lot of problems. MaverickNate 23:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, since admins are allowed to go over the limit, we could make it so that it doesn't happen to admins. Chocolate((Talk to Me|Look at My Contributions)) 23:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, that totally stops normal users from being Mavericks and being able to fix the problems they see themselves. Not everything has to be done by admins, you know. We check what each edit does and we figure out the warnings that way...If a template is causing a broken category, anyone is allowed to fix it...and that edit wouldn't count towards total. I just don't like the cons this would cause: because in this situation, the cons outweigh the pros. It would make things a lot harder for everyone. MaverickNate 23:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. I've gone past three edits on several occasions. Mostly due to my habit of patrolling for wrongly-categorised user pages. Gywall(Talk) 11:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify for the newbies

I think the policypage needs a brief mention of the fact that all subpages are included under this. It is briefly alluded to in a middle paragraph but I think it needs to be made clear as crystal that the three/day rule applies to the subs. — THE TROM — 07:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal CSS

What about these? Do they count as edits to the userspace or are they to be thought as "My preferences" thing?--Diby 13:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering this too. As of this day, I've included them into the 3-edit limit, but it'd be better if they weren't included (you can't preview all elements on different parts of the site in the Preview view). UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 13:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I've already discussed this a bit, but not with the entire EB. My personal opinion is that it shouldn't count towards the limit; like Ultimate mentioned, sometimes you can's simply Show Preview.
However. If someone is editing their user CSS page more then three times a day for multiple days in a row, then it's worthy of a warning. I mean, no user should ever need to update their CSS that much; they're the only ones who can see it, normally you just change your layout and you're done with it.
If someone has to take five edits to finish their CSS, no big deal. If they update it every two days with five edits, then I'd consider that abuse, and warn them accordingly. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
However same problem goes if user is trying to create personal template. Like with CSS, you can't always just Show Preview / if you have parameters, you can't check behavior before you save it... but then you have 1 edit gone...--TakeruDavis[1] 14:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Depending on the situation, the rule may be relaxed a bit.
I should mention though, if you preview a parameter like so,
{{{3|input}}}
you can emulate the template's behavior with an input, allowing you to preview the results. A bit more work, but it can save you work (and edits) in the long run.
If you get warned for userspace abuse and you feel that it was an unavoidable edit, say so; not every user will check what you actually edited, if you've done a lot of edits in a row. Explaining the situation helps a lot.
And if you're having trouble to the point that you need to make tons of edits, maybe you should try asking for help on it, too. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 18:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Out of Pure Curiousity

Is there a certain amount of userspace articles that you can have? I've been wanting to know this for at least several days, but I kept forgetting to ask. For an example, let's use me, how many User:ShinjiLover/(name)'s can I have? 10? 20? Unlimited? Love, シンジShinjiLover, who dreams of beating BulbaBot

I heard there's only 3 allowed, but I'm not TOO sure... ht14 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The admins want you to have three, but I'm fairly certain that doesn't include test pages for templates and articles. At least, in my view, it shouldn't (and if it does then TTE is in trouble!). But for fancrap, just three. — THE TROM — 04:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The limit is officially from me "not too many". As long as there's not a subpage for everything, it should be fine, especially if it's a to-be-mainspace'd project, which I have several of.
Anyway, three cheers, guys, for being well-behaved, the limit on edits is now four per day without warning. TTEchidna 00:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

3 or 4 Edits?

I've been seeing so many changes to this rule. I've gotten in trouble for make four edits to my userspace, and then someone said that making four was fine. After that, I read that Bulbapedia no longer allows four edits but, rather, three again. So which is it? シンジShinjiLover,Edits 02:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither. The limit itself has been abolished. However, if the majority of your edits are to your userpage, or user subpages, or if you do exceed around 6 in a short period of time. You can be warned. Keep the userspace edits to a minimum, and there's little to worry about. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 02:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Simply put, it's like the speed limits in Montana prior to 1999. Reasonable and prudent, with no limits otherwise. As long as it's kept within reasonable means, you won't get in trouble; of course, enough edits to flood the recent changes is enough to get set to abuse right away, similar to how the Montana speed limit law ended up changed. --Shiningpikablu252 02:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Games

Why aren't games or fake characters allowed in userspace? --HideInTheDark 18:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

User games have had many problems in the past, but I do not know why fake characters are not allowed. Ask TTE. --Theryguy512 21:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Every user and his dog had a game, or a fake character and fanfics. Some users had 20+ sub pages just for themselves, and edited it constantly. They were getting more attention and were basic beacons to EDIT the user space only. So they're gone.User:DCM 21:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining it, DCM. --Theryguy512 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I read that wrong. Fake characters lead to fan fics. fan fics lead to games. It doesnt benefit the pedia in anyway, it harms it.User:DCM 21:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, not necessarily. But not to get into an arguement; I still believe that they shouldn't be allowed. --Theryguy512 21:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"Fake Characters"

The policy states that you CANNOT make your own new characters/Pokémon, but the "new member greeting" post on my talk page directly contradicts that. Should the"welcome" message be altered?--Vib 00:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. Just not too many, okay? A ton of userspace edits will still slow down the server. Kinda like it was this morning.... — THE TROM — 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Intent?

Hai, noob here. I'm just wondering what the intent of the userspace edit rule is; why it exists. It's the first of its kind I've encountered. AlishaShatogi 08:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

In the past, every second user had pages and pages and pages of unencyclopedic crap. This took a huge toll on the server (every single tiny edit was saved forever and ever), and by disallowing edits here, the creation and growth of our Pokémon encyclopedia has improved a bazillion percent. It's nothing personal against anyone, but we are not Facebook or Myspace, we are Pokémon fans building a reference point about our hobby, interest and (in some extreme cases) obsession. The "don't edit lots" rule is similar, as we encourage you to contribute to articles instead of making your own personal webpage. — THE TROM — 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Ahah. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. AlishaShatogi 08:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Permanent?

Is the inability to edit user pages permanent? Dilophosaurus Rex 10:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

No, but considering you've only lost yours for a day now, there's a long way to go yet. Generally, the required sentence is approximately a month, but the true deciding factor is the way you edit the articles. —darklordtrom 10:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
A whole month? Damn! OK, so what is the true deciding factor? What do I have to do to shorten this sentence? Dilophosaurus Rex 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually edit the mainspace, and gain the privilege back. You were only editing your page for two weeks and nothing else. That's a problem. You must balence your edits. So, instead of complaining, find some content pages to edit. MaverickNate 14:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see. OK. Then I will carry on with a personal project of mine: to add the Dutch names of all attacks to their pages. Dilophosaurus Rex 14:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've been editing lots of mainspace pages, and still my privileges are taken. Dilophosaurus Rex 20:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Relax. If all you want to do is edit your userspace--if that's why you're here--well, you're here for the wrong reasons. -- evkl (need to talk?) 21:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
That's not entirely why I'm here. I'm here to help out and add all things in the Dutch language because no-one else here seems to be capable to do so. But editing my userpage is also why I'm here, because I need to keep my YouTube subscribers up to date. And I can't do that if I can't edit my userpage. Dilophosaurus Rex 21:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, honestly, my editing priviliges are still revoked? I only made 3 userpage edits and I immediately lose them again? I made over 25 edits to mainspace pages and my priviliges are still revoked? That's pretty effed up, IMO. Dilophosaurus Rex 13:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The reason you lost your privileges was because of the 25 userspace edits you made in a row at the start of July. You never actually got them back around the end of July; we had a minor technical hiccup which meant the abuse usergroup was, essentially, broken. I'll bring your case up to a bureaucrat, but they will have the final say. —darklordtrom 02:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, so that explains why I got the ability to edit my userpages back for a short while. I was already wondering why I'd lost them again, since I kept myself to the '3 edits a day' rule. Dilophosaurus Rex 09:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

..."Pages or templates that spoof the interface."

Does this mean I have to delete my userspace template? --αワニノコ 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 14:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Grammatical error

Could someone change "for the details of its users everyday lives" in the Warnings section to "for the details of its users' everyday lives"? Thanks. --Evice 15:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. --electAbuzzzz 15:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Max userspace size?

I haven't been able to find an answer to this, so I'm hoping there is one... Is there a limit on how large (in bytes) a user page is allowed to be? I'm asking because I noticed that my main user page is about 22,000 bytes (guh wow x_X must have gone overboard experimenting with wikicode or something...), and I want to make sure I'm not being a bad girl. :( Thanks in advance~ 梅子 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Nothing that I know of, and mine is the same size as yours.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 02:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh well that's a relief. Guess they must not have had any problems in the past about getting userpages that looked something like... oh, this I guess. (I don't suggest clicking that link btw. It's worksafe and all, it just takes about three hours to load completely.) 梅子 02:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
No size limit. If it ever crashes my browser I'll be sure to let you know ;) —darklordtrom 10:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! ♥ 梅子 15:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm beggining to see a pattern . . .

Despite the Welcome template making it obvious to keep Userspace edits to a minimum I have a feeling it hasn't been obvious enough. It hasn't been too accesive recently but I have noticed that new users despite the info in the Welcome template users still seem to overlook it. For example when I was new I could hardly understand what to think of the userspace policy for a while. (If you see my recent edits you'll see I have certainly changed that) Is there something we can do, to lightly, but very obviously let new users know that a majority of edits shall be to the mainspace AND that they shouldn't just be making random mainspace edits so they can edit their userspace. What I mean by the latter is that we tell them that their goal shouldn't be to edit their userpage and that it should be to help Bulbapedia. We could also tell them about the forums. -- Landfish7 22:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

We keep a user in abuse when they create an account and when they make many mainspace edits, they could be taken out of it. Though I don't know how this could be implemented to make it automatic. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Minimum to first edit your userspace?

There's a message that I must make a certain number of mainspace edits before I am allowed to edit my userspace, but I can't find any information about this (especially not a specific number) anywhere. I've been working on episode pages as I come across them, but some edits are confined to Talk pages, as I feel gaining consensus is more important than going in and making an edit. What is required before I'm allowed to create a user space for myself? -Disinfect 23:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

That information is apparently withheld deliberately to discourage new users from simply attempting to fulfill a certain amount of mainspace edits. Basically, the rule seems to be: edit as much as you can and you'll get that privelage eventually.--MisterE13 00:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
MisterE13's got it right. If we revealed the threshold amount of edits, then people would just make exactly that many edits and then edit their userpage a billion times and never contribute to the mainspace again. I know not everyone does this, but too many people did, and that spoiled it for everyone :/ just keep finding things to edit and surely you will get the priveledge soon. Special:WantedPages, Category:Stubs, and Category:Articles needing improvement are good places to look if you want to edit but don't know where to start. :) --ZestyCactus 00:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I understand the logic behind it, but it's rather discouraging that it's not an automated process (you have to get noticed by an admin basically), and without a Talk page describing your areas of knowledge you seem unprofessional. There are tons of policies in place to prevent userspace abuse, I guess I just worry that people with these privileges aren't don't experience the policies they've created, and thus don't understand the mindset of not being able to establish yourself until you've established yourself. And yes, I watch the stub notices for AG series episodes and contribute where I see need, but many synopses claiming to need attention seem fairly complete to me. Disinfect 00:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Not an automated process? Oh believe me, it is. We don't move users into autoconfirmed. The wiki does it for us. TTEchidna 00:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh my mistake, I must have misinterpreted the talknote above this one. Disinfect 00:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
If the synopsis is complete, then feel free to remove it. If someone disagrees with you, then they'll put it back and (hopefully) state why. —darklordtrom 02:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Define day

That may sound incredibly ridiculous at first glance, but "day" can be defined many different ways. Is it a 24 hour period of time? 12 hours? Until midnight? Flyingtypefan 07:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Per day is a 24-hour period, and we use the UTC clock at the top of the site generally. Basically, if you've got all your edits listed as being on the same date in the page history, then it's considered to be within one day. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 11:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Filling up of "abuse"

The group of abuse is getting quite large, and it's full of inactive users. Isn't it time to let the inactive ones go? CuboneKing 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sidepages

I recently made a sidepage to my userpage, and I was wondering, am I allowed to edit my actual userpage three times per day and my sidepage three time per day, or just only three times per day collectively. ----Zewis29 (Talk, Contribs) 17:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

All of them count towards your 3 edits. Jello 17:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Shiny

The "Shiny" in "Shiny Psyduck" should link to Shiny Pokémon, not Alternate Coloration. --SnorlaxMonster 11:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Reving. It still does. An admin may want to change this. たかはり 07:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Done. Werdnae (talk) 08:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

CSS

The system doesn't let you preview your monobook.css file when you edit it, so that shouldn't be counted towards the total (or should only be counted as a single edit). Or maybe there should be a way to preview the CSS before saving. --Shiny Noctowl 19:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

...But you can preview the CSS. 梅子 20:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
If you click preview, it doesn't show up. --Shiny Noctowl 20:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Most edits to the CSS will show up in the preview - try copying my monobook, copy it over yours, press preview, and tell me what you see. 梅子 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Generally, edits to CSS pages aren't as big of a deal, because depending on the edit, it can't always be previewed (like Umeko said, it can be previewed; the only times you won't see it are if the CSS is affecting only specific pages, or if you're coding it incorrectly). So long as you're not making five CSS edits every day for no apparent reason, you probably won't get in trouble over it. Just don't get in a habit of changing your CSS often, it's generally the sort of thing you only need to change on rare occasions. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 03:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Subpages

Okay, so if you edit one of your subpages, it counts towards your 3 edits a day. But what if that subpage actually contributes to Bulbapedia? Say someone was working on a new template for the mainspace articles, and decided to make it in the userspace first, or someone wanted to create an article about something but had to keep it in the userspace to be approved before it was mainspaced. Would editing subpages like that count towards your 3 edits, or would that be ignored for those pages since they do/will contribute to the mainspace? Flyingtypefan 18:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't count towards your three edits if it's meant for the mainspace. --ZestyCactus 19:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that you are allowed to have a lot more edits to a page for the mainspace, and that they don't count for your three edits a day. Also, maybe you want to add User:Maverick Nate/Mainspace to your page? --SnorlaxMonster 12:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

3 Edits

This seems a tad vaque to me.. obviously it should NEVER be a top priority to edit your userpage.. but what about saying something on someone's talk page about something productive for the mainspace? What happens if you exceed three edits in this case? Do you still get a warning? Oh, and what about welcoming new users? Does that count? In the past, it was just required that you have more mainspace edits than userspace edits and that you don't edit your userspace a whole lot in a short period of time.. I'm just trying to get used to this because I didn't know it had been changed back to three edits a day.. it's not like I want to edit the userspace real bad.. it's more out of pure curiosity.. (I'm like that a lot, you'll see what I mean here..) --Landfish7 15:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This only applies to the userspace, not the user talk namespace. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 15:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Of course, assuming that people aren't attempting to use their user talk namespace for userspace stuff. That'll likely get moved if you try it, and will likely result in a warning. (just in case any loophole hunters are digging through the talk page, I SEE YOU THERE) -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you help me with this stuff?

I'm curious as to what I can put on my page. Am I allowed to put links to other pages, outside of Bulbapedia? Like a blog or something. Also, is there a rule for what might be seen as offensive language? Finally, I'd like to know where people find those things that say "This user does something-or-other." I'm sorry if these requests seem stupid, but I am pretty new here... Thank you in advance! I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together... 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

This pretty much sums it up. You're allowed to put links to pages outside Bulbapedia, as long as they're appropriate. Offensive language...you have to be remember many kids frequent this site, so try to keep it on the low. For the last part you may be looking for Bulbapedia:Usertags. Hope that helps. Jellotalk 21:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
If there is something offensive put this at the top of your page. To put it on your page just type this at the top: {{User:Shiningpikablu252/PA}}
Yes you are allowed to link to other pages just nothing that has sexual references, innuendos, or otherwise disturbing things..
Oh and a list of user tags can be found here, which links to other user tag lists!!

Hope I helped!! --Landfish7 21:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, both of you!☺ Like I said, I'm pretty new, so a lot of things are still a mystery to me. And not even a fun mystery, like "Sleeping Murder". I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together... 21:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages and the sandbox

It should mention somewhere that your User talk page and the Bulbapedia sandbox cannot be used by non-autoconfirmed users as a supplement to creating a userpage. I've seen new users write "about me" and try to add usertags to their own talkpage, which shouldn't be allowed as it avoids the userspace block for new users. Same deal with the sandbox. たかはり 07:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The user talk part is already mentioned (second bullet point in the Circumventing the userspace policy section), as well as on trom's draft update for the talk page policy. The sandbox. . . maybe?. I added personal content to the note at the top of that when I cleared that all off it the other day, so it should be clear now.Good suggestions though. Werdnae (talk) 08:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

"Contract"

I don't know who came up with that, but calling the policy a "contract" sounds contrived, trite, and pretentious. It's a policy on a wiki: nothing more, nothing less. Calling it a "contract" that you enter into by creating a Bulbapedia account or whatever just makes the staff sound like assholes. Anyone mind if I change that? --P o L i 17:41, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Poli, I can see where you are coming from, the way I see it though (feel free to disregard, as I am not staff or anything), it kind of is a contract. One is agreeing to abide by the rules in return for getting the privilege to edit in the userspace on the 'pedia. After all, it is a privilege that is earned, and one that is not a right (after all, it is something that can, and frequently is, taken away by the staff when it is abused). It is not signed or legally binding or anything, but there are consequences that follow if you do not play by the rules. I do not think that it makes the staff sound like a-holes at all (but again, that is just an opinion, take it for what it is worth). Just my two cents. --ジェダイの騎士デジタルテレビ 17:54, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that... However, calling it a "contract" comes across as unfriendly and overly formal. It's a rule. If you break it, you can lose your privileges. I mean, that's like saying the law prohibiting homicide is a "contract." By living here, you are entering into a contract to not kill anyone. --P o L i 17:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Question

There are some templates I would like to create in the Userspace, but I can't create my Userpage. Does that prevent the ability to create the templates? Mothim will rule all! 14:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC) December 24 2011 9:22 a.m. ET

Well, you can still make templates just not in the userspace. You can create templates and test other things in the Sandbox. This page is used for testing templates and other things. Feel free to use that for your template making. --Pokemaster97 16:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Just a note about that though. The public sandbox isn't for personal content (including new usertags), so people seeing this and thinking that they can use it to get around the userspace restriction should think again. Werdnae (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Spoofing

Doesn't anyone think that using the word spoofing in a bulbapedia policy is a bit wacky? Mothim will rule all! 03:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC) 10:15 PM December 27 2011 ET

Nope. Spoofing fits in perfectly there. --SnorlaxMonster 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Page creation

I can't create my userpage, but there is a page I want to create that is disputable for being in the mainspace, actualy I think it would go better in the bulbapedia namespace. Does not being able to create a userpage mean I can't create mainspaceable userspace? Wildgoose-The friendly goose in town! 00:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

That's correct. The software is unable to distinguish between the two. It blocks everything in the userspace. Also, I notice that you should be able to edit your userpage. Werdnae (talk) 02:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Riddles

Why aren't riddles allowed? The above comment is supported by Wildgoose. 18:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Because riddles generate a lot of discussion on the corresponding talk page which is unrelated to Bulbapedia. And that discussion was a major contributor to the complete lockdown of the userspace and subsequent implementation of the userspace policy. Werdnae (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

How does this work?

I've seen many mainspace pages that were first created under the name "User:Someone/Article's name" and later moved. So,

  • any user can create a page to work on before it is moved?
  • to move it is up to a staff member or can the user decide when the article is ready?
  • the articles must be intended for the mainspace or can they be Pokémon-related informative pages that don't exactly fit with Bulbapedia? (for example, if the user wanted a BP page to look different, with other templates, can they be tested in the userspace?)
  • what's a sandbox?

Thank you. |) u |( e ® 19:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

One more thing, how do I create a page in my userspace? Is it like with mainspace pages, just to type the invalid address and create it? Thank you. |) u |( e ® 19:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
In the order that they were asked:
  1. Yes, but we'd prefer notable pages get made in the mainspace anyway. In particular, making a near-empty future mainspace page in the userspace just so that you can say you've started it is extremely frowned upon (yes, that does happen).
  2. It should be staff members deciding, because the only pages there should be ones of dubious notability (see above point).
  3. You can create pages that "don't fit with Bulbapedia" in your userspace. That said, if they don't fit in the mainspace, they're not going to be mainspaced, and they fall under the three-edits-per-day (Which, BTW, is a total for all userspace pages. It's not three edits per page per day). New templates for mainspace pages are most certainly allowed, and may be excluded from the edit limit at staff discression. They are also given extra leeway with regards to the preview button, as they are difficult to preview. That said, don't go crazy with it. We're pretty lenient for prototyping/testing improvements to the mainspace, but don't abuse it.
  4. A sandbox is a page or group of mages made for testing code. I use my sandbox to separate my prototype templates from my personal pages - the templates are in my sandbox, because I'm testing them.
  5. Pages in the userspace can be created in exactly the same way as a page in any other namespace.
I know there's some stuff in there that you didn't specifically ask, but I wanted to cover a few things that other people with similar questions may be unsure about. Werdnae (talk) 02:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
All doubts solved! Thank you very much, Werdnae! |) u |( e ® 03:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

A problem with the policy

I've read the policy, and I agree with you making this in order for bulbapedia to grow faster. At the beggining, it looked all ok, but then I noticed a slight problem with the policy that may lead to a slow growth of this wiki, exactly the opposite of our objective. Well, the problem is: at the second point you say that the daily edits to the mainspace must always be more than the userspace ones. It looks ok, but if you analyse it well, you'll notice that this way users that want to make a massive amount of edits to their userspace throughout some days may instead of making a massive amount of edits to the mainspace in one day (therefore making the wiki better in no time), just make a short amount of edits to the mainspace a day, in order to save some of them for the next days, so that they don't violate the second point if they run out of ideas for the mainspace. The mainspace edits will be the same, but they will take longer to appear. TheOriginalOne 12:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Hence the word "daily". Your edits in the mainspace must be more than your userspace per day.--ForceFire 13:01, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? I said that due to that, some people may save their mainspace edits, in order to have plenty of them to use just when they edit their userspace, therefore making the progress slow. Or are you saying that it's not "During a day, there must be always more mainspace edits than userspace ones", as I tought, and that in fact it is "The number of userspace edits in a day cannot ever surpass the total number of edits"? If it's not that, then I don't understand what you've just said, and the problem didn't disappear. TheOriginalOne 16:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The point is, people in general tend to edit the mainspace for a little bit and then just stop and edit nothing but their userpage. We need people to maintain their mainspace edits even while they are 'focusing' on their userspace. It is daily, and if people are saving up their mainspace edits until they want to edit the userspace, then frankly that's a terrible attitude. That said, we're usually pretty lenient. If you make a hundred mainspace edits one day we're likely to just let it slide if you don't make any but keep editing your userspace for a short time. The rule needs to be strict for the people who think Bulbapedia is Facebook and do the bare minimum in the mainspace. For people that are regular contributors to the mainspace we're a lot more lenient.
Long story short, if you, on average, edit the mainspace a lot and the userspace infrequently then as long as you stick to the limit you don't really need to worry. Werdnae (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

A doubt about the exceptions

Do the usertags count as an exception? I mean, can I over edit a usertag in my userspace, and still not break the rule because it is intended for the mainspace? TheOriginalOne 16:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Since the content from it ends up in the userspace anyway, generally they're not an exception, although we're likely to be a bit more lenient towards them. Unfortunately it has to be this way because otherwise people try to abuse it to get around the policy. Werdnae (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Draft articles

Why would you need to go to the Editorial Board and ask permission before editing a draft article? I would think that it would just be common sense that that wouldn't count towards userspace edits. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 05:34, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

It's basically to check that it is actually considered a potential mainspace article and not a personal page. Technically, Editorial Board members have to decide that a page can be exempt from the limit. In practice, it's rare for people to actually ask and we don't hold that against them if it's valid. But if they don't and we think the subject is definitely not important enough for a page, we will treat it as a personal page and enforce the edit limit. If it's obviously notable and you're not sure if we have enough info, go ahead (though please don't make a page with just a name and a picture, that's a waste of time). If it's obviously notable and there's a lot of info, then generally it's better to make it in the mainspace. If you're not sure, then it's best to ask a staff member and keep it under the limit until you get an answer, just to be on the safe side. We'll also assume good faith unless it becomes a habit, or our decision gets ignored, so for most users it'll never be an issue anyway. Werdnae (talk) 22:00, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Does user talk page count

If I made a talk page and saved it, does user talk page count along with user page and user sub pages? Cinday123 (talk) 04:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

If you're editing your talk page to add something like a user template, then that should probably be treated as a userpage edit. However, if you're editing a user talk page to ask a bulbapedia related question, it's fine. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 04:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Moving pages

Does moving userspace pages count as a userspace edit or not? Cinday123 (Talk) 07:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

"Editorial board"

The link should be Editorial Board instead of Editorial board, due to the board on the page name being capitalized. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

FAQ pages

It says that they aren't allowed for a self-explanatory reason, but I don't quite understand why or what that is trying to block. --Pokechu22 (talk) 18:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Forum Link

Instead of saying that a person should click on the Bulbawiki forum link, shouldn't it say to click on the other forum link? The Bulbawiki link leads to the wiki forum, the Bulbagarden link leads to the forum mainpage, which is much clearer. _Volcronaperson_ 19:50, 29 June 2014 (UTC)