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Remember, guys, talk pages are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories, see this forum thread. Message posted 11:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC).
This page was meant to archive hints we found before HeartGold and SoulSilver were announced. Things found afterwards aren't relevant to the article. There's no reason to add any more "hints".

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Archives

  • Archive 1 (discussions from August 20, 2007–October 6, 2008)

See also the forum thread on Gold and Silver remakes.

WOW!!!

Someone just clean the Gen IV section and protect this article!!! People keep on adding useless info and it's looking like a random info page... I will not do it because I don't have much time, but I would if I had. hfc2X 04:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I should have time these next few days to move things around, so I'll see what I can do. R.A. Hunter B. 05:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Iron Fist

All the punching moves that have been tested an shown to be affected by the ability can be learnt by Hitmonchan legally in Generation III or Generation IV, except for Dizzy Punch. However, in Generation II, the Odd Egg would hatch into a Tyrogue with Dizzy Punch. Might that be a hint? Gywall(Talk) 12:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

No your wrong, that has nothing to do with GSDS, where on Earth did you get that idea from??? Thats actually a really irrelevant point, and why look at trivial pieces of info like that, that have no meaning, and no one would leave that as a hint, EVER!!! as it doesnt hit at anything.--Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010
Don't go off and say things like that. He was only asking a question, not putting it in the article. And you know what? Most of the things on the GSDS page ARE trivial. Haven't you read the first sentence? "It is popularly believed that remakes of the Generation II games, Pokémon Gold and Silver, will be produced during Generation IV on the Nintendo DS." Popularly believed, not fact. Nothing is certain, and anything is possible. Don't assume everything you think or don't think could be a clue, is right or wrong. Have some respect for other people's ideas. R.A. Hunter B. 21:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
This thing seems weird, and I'm not sure I get what you mean... but I agree that, compared to most of the things on the page right now, it's actually kind of interesting. --((Marton imos)) 04:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
So because I was a little strong in my response, it now gets put in as everyone feels sorry for Gywall. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010
Thats what happens when your a douche--DCM((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))
When I first wrote my response to you, I made it sound much angrier than yours, so I took out all of the capitals, except for one word. It made it a lot better and less cruel than it would've been. Just think things through before you say them. R.A. Hunter B. 19:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Not being mean, but what are you talking about? I can't understand what he's saying is a hint. Omegaterminator, 9:03 January 3, 2009.
He's saying that all the moves with boosted power for Hitmonchan's ability are available to it except Dizzy Punch and in Gen II, that move was available to it.--MisterE13 02:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
That's not much of a hint to me... I think that's just an odd coincidence. Not being mean, but it doesn't mean anything. Very interesting though. Omegaterminator 4:27 PM January 4 2009
Though Chan can learn Metronome by MT in FRLGE, which can then bring him Dizzy Punch for one turn, with a random 1/467 chance... TTEchidna 07:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon special?

if they remake gold and silver, there would be a new chapter in the manga. since firered and leafgreen has sevii island, the remake must have something new, so that the manga would have new chapter. however, kanto and johto is in the remake, so is it possible for nintendo to create another region? (or maybe another archipelago) Pokeant 11:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

im inclined to think yes, there will be a new Manga chapter. there was a chapter for FireRed and LeafGreen, so, its pretty assured. -- MAGNEDETH 19:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well... yeah. You guys basically said what I would've said. They would just make a new chapter like the Gen. 3 Kanto series. R.A. Hunter B. 21:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
But will nintendo REALLY make another region (such as sevii island)? Pokeant 15:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The Sevii Islands were an extension, not a new region. Just like they did the Battle Frontier for Emerald and made some adjustments to the story line. At the end of the Ruby/Sapphire part, they added that the contest halls were destroyed and had been rebuilt into Battle Tents, except for the largest hall in Lilycove. R.A. Hunter B. 21:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, but I don't think they need a new region or extension or anything. Remember that the conflict with Sakaki (Giovanni) and Silver hasn't been solved. And with that crazy lady from Team Rocket that turn the Pokédex owners into stone. - AOS

Johto Pokédex problem?

The article talks about how the legendary birds appear in Platinum, and then goes on to state,

"As Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen would never be able to get the birds back from a remade Generation II, this may be an answer to Johto's Pokédex problem."

What does it mean by "Johto's Pokédex problem"? Red.Tide 03:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Completing it. TTEchidna 03:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
But why is that a problem? All you had to do was trade the legendary birds over from Red, Blue, or Yellow. Red.Tide 03:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Wrong generation... ht14 03:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Fine, then transfer them from FireRed or LeafGreen via Pal Park. I still don't see a problem with completing the Pokédex of a potential Gold/Silver remake. Even if the remake doesn't have a Pal Park, you could still Pal Park Gen III Pokemon to Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, then trade them to the remakes. Red.Tide 04:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
DSi? No slot... ht14 04:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Aahh, I see. Nintendo wouldn't want to make an obsolete system (old DS) be necessary for the full pokédex. However, this means that these remakes will have to contain the legendaries Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Latias, AND Latios (as well as events for Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and Deoxys) to stay independent of Gen III, not to mention the Gen I, Gen II AND Gen III starters. Red.Tide 04:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I just realized something. In order to complete the Pokédex of Gen II, you HAD to trade with Gen I...to what you're saying, I'd agree. Possibly a Wii game to trade. More events (Lugia and Ho-oh on Navel Island, Deoxys on Birth Island, etc.) ht14 04:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. You have to trade with Fire Red/Leaf Green or XD to get the legendary beasts in R/S/E. But as with all things for GSDS, we can only guess at the moment. R.A. Hunter B. 17:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

there is no need for navel island, since hooh and lugia will be in the whirl islands and tin tower! maybe they will include birth island and faraway island... Pokeant 04:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
let's face it... we have no concrete evidence aside from the Johto location option... let's just hope. No proof but some evidence. We can't say "They will make one, look at Johto location/Pokecenter pokeball color/ect." ... we have 2 pieces of evidence that make the half bit of sense- Johto location possiblility-Celebi's difficulty to obtain. So why not just sit back and wait for proof. Try writing in to nintendo or something! Do anything but waste time thinking of some of the dumbest pieces of evidence i've seen to date. Hmm... the "gold" on the pokeball is just light red drowned out by yellow. Park balls have nothing to do with it. References to Johto? Maybe, but we don't know for sure, as always. Stop moaning about this junk 11:52 Omegaterminator January 1 2008:
Already wrote to them. They said "Idk".--RexRacer -talk 05:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Why do you think that we say that it's speculation? Because it is. Don't go off and say it's all stupid, because it's just your opinion. And people were speculating about a third Sinnoh game, and they were right, so why give up on Johto? R.A. Hunter B. 21:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Eh, I agree with Omegaterminator. I've been watching this article for some time, and these "speculations" have been getting increasingly far-fetched. Okay, so some people see these signs there'll be a G/S remake, but vague nods to Johto and combinations of the colors gold and silver don't really qualify as significant evidence. Worth mentioning in an article? Probably not. I'm not trying to make a major case (this has little to do with "Johto's Pokédex Problem"), and I think I'm not the most qualified to make that kind of call, but I'm just voicing my opinion. As for the third Sinnoh game vs. this speculation, every past generation has featured a third game, whereas we only have FRLG in one generation as a past example. I want a remake as much as all of you, but I think there's a line to draw here. Kochdude388 22:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
For any other comments aside from the Pokédex problem, please start a new article. Thank you for pointing that out Kochdude. R.A. Hunter B. 23:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Most of the crap "hints" were separated out into the "Speculation" section by IIMarckus. The more viable ones are still in their respective sections. --((Marton imos)) 01:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
That thankfully clears a lot of things up. R.A. Hunter B. 18:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I am sure that Nintendo and Gamefreak would figure something out, my personal opinion is that they should make it but until a new portable console comes out. But there's another problem, what about past starters and legendary Pokémon? Probably if the DS had a GBA slot, the new console would have a DS slot since in DPP nearly all Pokémon are catchable... or who knows maybe they're never going to release a remake (which I hope it doesn't happen) - AOS

Giratina alternate coloration

How is it any worse that the colors of the Poké Balls on Pokémon center floors? There are a lot of ridiculous hints on this page, guys, and this one doesn't deserve its own personal edit war. --((Marton imos)) 07:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement. Like I said in my edit summary, someone tried to say Beldum's Line's Shiny colors were a hint. There are far too many nonsense "hints" when some of them are merely coincidences. -Sketch 12:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's why there are people who know what goes on an article, but there are those who don't and just assume that everybody thinks it's right. And anyways, Beldum came before D/P, so that's ridiculous in itself. R.A. Hunter B. 16:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
it isnt just the Pokecenter floors. lets face it, this article is a disaster. -- MAGNEDETH 21:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Wow, another one. These are useless, do you really think Nintendo is sending us a message through Giratina's shiny colors? Think about it. They wouldn't do that thinking some psycho pokemon addict would find it and spread enlightenment to the rest of the world, so everyone could anticipate the game's arrival. Please. Omegaterminator, 12:34, January 2, 2009.
...yes. We know. That's what we were saying. Is there a point to your posts? --((Marton imos)) 06:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Celebi

Someone keeps reomving the fact that you need the japanese bonus disc to get Celebi. Without it it just says that every Pokémon is available in Gen IV. However, something tells me that most of us don't have access to something only available in Japan.--MisterE13 23:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

You can buy it on eBay. I removed it once. Next time you add something, try to not start the sentance with "also" when the one right before it starts with "also". Thank you for your time. --RexRacer -talk 23:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
The article already says that some people might have trouble finding merchandise released all around the world for a considerable run but you don't think that it might be a good idea to also mention a limited edition item released only in Japan.--MisterE13 04:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'd have to say that's not too much worse than the limited events you can get other Pokémon from. --((Marton imos)) 14:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Then it shouldn't say that people might have trouble finding a GBA - GCN link cable. And at least the event legendaries were released on several continents.--MisterE13 15:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
The bonus disc is only an option for those who have compatible hardware. I.E. Chipped, NTSC, etc. That causes Europe and the other side of the world to be excluded. Gywall(Talk) 20:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget New Zealand! We probably get the least Pokémon merchandise of all!--Pokelova 23:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

If I lived there, I would probably get mad and pre-order the versions from other countries. R.A. Hunter B. 05:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

About something on the archive talk page

I was looking at the archived talk page, and saw this posted:

  • "Under investigation, I found this. This makes me think that DuskGold and DawnSilver is way out of the question. Porygon-Z 04:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)"

Didn't Nintendo make pokémon red and blue? And I know for a fact that there are two megaman games called "Megaman RedSun" and "Megaman BlueMoon". So the names DuskGold and DawnSilver are still possible for the remakes (if there will be remakes). Arceus is the Best 20:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

You just noticed that? The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 20:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Possible, sure. Nowhere near confirmed. --((Marton imos)) 07:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
no, I noticed it a while ago. I just joined recently. Arceus is the Best 17:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it not true, that FireRed and LeafGreen were out before Emerald, and in this case Platinum is already a definitive release before so called remakes. I worry this could be evidence that such a remake will not come about.- unsigned comment from Handsome (Talk | contribs) 00:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Not proof at all. One occurrence does not make a pattern. And please, sign you comments. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 01:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
If you want to add it to "criticism," go ahead. But I have to agree that we can't connect GSDS to FRLG too strongly. --((Marton imos)) 02:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Alright well that makes sense, excuse the lack of signature, new to this.Codename:Handsome 00:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Who watches or plays Digimon this days anyway, besides, didn't Pokémon came out before Digimon and is way more popular in and out of Japan (sorry if I'm wrong). - AOS

DSi

The article says that the removal of the GBA slot could be an important factor in the creation of GSDS. A recent issu of Nintendo Power however, disregarded this by saying that sales of the DS lite would simply continue to go strong. Should we include it?--MisterE13 23:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. As an avid supporter of GSDS, I doubt that's confirmed evidence. Also, the DSi isn't to replace the DS Lite anyway, therefore I don't think you should note that. PH1RESTRIKE 23:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
It already says that the DSi might support GSDS. NP says that, as you said, it wouldn't replace the lite.--MisterE13 23:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
If you can fit it into criticism, go ahead. --((Marton imos)) 05:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
And we also already talked about this when the DSi was released. It's on the archive page. R.A. Hunter B. 21:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Deletion

This article has no factual content. I think it needs to get kicked off the main space. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Its rooted deeply in fandom. I say it staysDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
That's where it should stay. In the fandom. -Sketch 04:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Name one other article with no factual content AT ALL on the main space. We moved Shipping off for a reason. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC):
This is a webite created by the fandom. Its not like this is an obscure theory, this is widely acknowledged as almost a definite future gameDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Go look at the trivia section of almost every articleDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
It should get kicked off the main space. But, don't delete the contents of it. There's heaps of writing and pictures. It should go somewhere in the wiki. --Clarky13 04:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
"Widely acknowledged as almost a definite future game"? By whom? Where? Simply having a lot of people want it to happen does not make your argument valid. It is NOT by any stretch of the imagination 'almost definitely' in development. We have no idea. It's all speculation. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe if we get rid of this, we should also get rid of the articles about Pokémon fansites since, you know, "the fandom doesn't matter and has no place on Bulbapedia." --ケンジのガール 04:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Forget the Fansite articles, forget the Shipping articles, forget the controversy sections, if this needs to be rid of, we might as well get rid of this site. Heck, we might as well remove Wikipedia and similar institutions as well, since, really, they also have influences of Original Research, Bias, Opinions, completely inaccurate things, and all that. I mean, the only thing that might even manage Bulbapedia effectively, without Bias of any sort would be machines, robots, as those can't have free will, they can't form opinions, they just try and imput commands, and state absolute fact and pure, raw truth, without even a shred of opinion in them. Weedle Mchairybug 05:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Its just speculation with numerous facts. Go to any pokemon site and they will have a section for Gold and Silver RemakesDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Name these facts! Link me to them. And fan sites actually, you know, exist, as opposed to Gold and Silver remakes.-- evkl (need to talk?) 04:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Why delete it when we've been working on it for almost two years? And when we've been putting so much time into finding the material, factual or not? I won't say any more untill more people give their opinions. And give good "facts" for why it should be deleted.R.A. Hunter B. 04:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Data for Johto for a Location is Included! Concrete Evidence!DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Although if you put it in a new namespace then a whole nes set of restrictions could be applied for the fandom sites..DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Aren't these just the fact found in Pokémon, and are linked together to find a possibility of a Remake --Clarky13 04:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
This article should be deleted because it contains no factual information. We're an encyclopedia. We cover things that are factual. We also cover the Pokémon fandom, which means sometimes we have to discuss opinions, but I want to cite where said opinions actually exist, as opposed to just saying "MOST PEOPLE FEEL...". This isn't that complex. The fact that this article has existed for so long doesn't mean it should continue to exist. Bad ideas can be around for a long time. This article has no place on this wiki. With respect to fandom sites, as I said, they exist. They aren't opinions, or figments of my imagination. With respect to the fact that Johto locations are included, is the same true for Kanto? If so, why aren't they going to REMAKE FIRE RED AND LEAF GREEN? I say we need articles for that, too. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Johto is not tradeable nor migratable. It exists out of programmers putting it there. kanto can be migrated. smack down that.
Facts are all interpretation. Techinically, the Trivia section should be deleted too.DCM((Mock Me

Edits)) 04:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If facts are all interpretation, then let's just delete the whole damn 'pedia. Honestly. This is just a pet project of some fandom members who want to see something happen. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
good idea. course not, we accept whatever were told. Moving on, If its a pet project why are we not the only place to havve such an articleDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Lots of people do cocaine, but it's still illegal. The argument that something should be allowed because of its volume is...yeah. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Alright. Fine. Go through every article and delete the trivia that has NOTHING that would ever help you in anything Pokémon related. R.A. Hunter B. 04:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Lots of people see memes as funny, but does that make them relevant?DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
But Trivia isn't Fandom, Trivia are just bits and pieces that we find interesting.--FF(edits-talk) 04:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Including fandom stuff! MUDKIP MY DEAR!DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The fandom stuff you're citing, again, is factual! This isn't. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
That isn't fandom, that is a meme sticked across the internet, Fandom is someone saying Ash is going to marry misty, Saying "I herd u liek Mudkipz" isn't Fandom, but merely a funny phrase.--FF(edits-talk) 04:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Notice that this in a sense IS fandom? "Composed of fan speculation" if I'm not mistaken. R.A. Hunter B. 04:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Go to www.bulbagarden.net, or www.serebii.net. Those sites aren't composed of fan speculation. They're composed of code. As I've said, they exist. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
And the Johto in the Coding id made of Code. t Exists.DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
You're right, but my point is that this same code does not mean Gold and Silver remakes are on the way. That's your leap, it's not factual, and it doesn't belong on Bulbapedia, in my opinion. -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Memes are fan made, use by fans. Therefore, fandomDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 04:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
This "discussion" is really over the top. --Clarky13 04:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I wonder why? R.A. Hunter B. 04:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe because the arguments being presented against deletion are just attempts at logic traps. "NOTHING IS FACTUAL!" "EVERYTHING IS FROM THE FANDOM!" Come on, seriously... -- evkl (need to talk?) 04:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't know what you're spazzing about, because the page was protected a bit ago. Can't change it now. R.A. Hunter B. 04:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Not to be a dick, but I can delete it whenever I want. There are perks to being an admin. The only reason I even started this discussion was to hear if there were reasonable rationales behind keeping this article. I'm still not at all convinced. -- evkl (need to talk?) 05:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I know a LOT of people who aren't part of the Bulbapedia community that want GSDS to happen, and even some who don't want it deleted. R.A. Hunter B. 05:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
*your reading me wrong, thats not my point*. Im saying there are other large parts of the site devoted to fandom, so why have them if we cant have the plausibleDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 05:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, you still haven't given me a good reason to delete the page other than that you think it's stupid. Have fun, because I'm going to bed now. R.A. Hunter B. 05:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I've said, repeatedly, that it includes no factual evidence of an upcoming game. You've repeatedly ignored that. I don't know how much more clearly I can make my argument. With respect to the 'dedicated to the fandom' argument, again, I ask: what fandom portions of Bulbapedia reference things which do not exist? -- evkl (need to talk?) 05:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Mewthree for instanceDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 05:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Fake PokemonDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 05:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Fake Pokémon deserve an article because, well, how else can we discuss Pokémon which are made up by the fandom? (something which, again, has happened. There are recorded instances of it. It's fact.) Mewthree probably doesn't deserve its own article, to be honest. -- evkl (need to talk?) 05:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we create a different section for this like the Shipping Pages, because they aren't really factual either. I mean, you can change it, but don't get rid of the page, because a lot of people have worked hard on expanding this page. We should put stuff like Mewthree, Fake Pokemon and this page into another section like, Fandom: or something like that. --Clarky13 05:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Like maybe a Fandom: space. --ケンジのガール 05:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
There is an existent Appendix: space. — Laoris (Blah) 05:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Loathe as I am to admit it, considering how much I want these remakes, evkl's right. This article doesn't belong in the mainspace. It's not an article on the games, it's just a list of reasons why we believe in them. I wouldn't say delete it; I like the idea of moving it to the Appendix namespace, or as somebody adopting it as a user subpage (which I heartily volunteer for). If/when the games are announced, this wouldn't even be an appropriate article to adapt into their article; it's closer to the Pokémon Gold and Silver beta page than the Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions page. We can start from scratch, with confirmed info, once the games are announced. --((Marton imos)) 10:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
And I know I haven't said it, but I agree we can move it from the mainspace. I just don't see why he wanted to delete it so badly. R.A. Hunter B. 23:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that the thought of it being re-named "GSDS beta" or something like that.--RexRacer -talk 00:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
If we don't put it on its own page, I wouldn't mind if somebody put it on a user sub-page like Martonimos said. R.A. Hunter B. 00:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I, the creator of the page, thinks it would be the best if wewrote it, instead of deleting it, nor keeping it. When I first created it, I composed it a few examples of the Johto references, the in-game data, and a few examples of how much people have showed that they support, hopes and belies in one. Myself, I think that it was much less based on fandom and much more based on facts. However, time elapsed, and half a year later, I started to dislike it actually, seeing how much the articles was filled with half-unnoticable "hints", with did belong nowhere else other than on the list of cross-generational references, and people started to use the Bulbapedia page for that it's going to happen, on more than a hundred of sites. Just Google it. That's also another point of why we should rewrite it - it's good and free advertising of the site itself, by users of the wiki. And, putting up a template warning the people not to take the page too seriously shouldn't take much effort. Pokémon Lover King Mario 18:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Crunch

its been ripped apart. comments. -- MAGNEDETH 06:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You've basically removed what little semi-factual support this article had,a nd reduced it to a completely indefensible pile of speculation, IMO. --((Marton imos)) 10:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree, Ripping it apart isn't going to solve anything. We should create a section for fandom. --Clarky13 10:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
You do know there is a fandom category, right? -Sketch 13:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Currently there's a push for a Fandom namespace, which I'm strongly against. I still say that this article can exist in some kind of form referencing the popular support behind these remakes, but the "evidence" needs to be pushed to a user's talk page (or the Appendix.) Every bit of evidence is speculation. -- evkl (need to talk?) 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC) --edit: excepting the bit about the trademarks.
How about this: We do three things, A: A fandom catergory that shipping becomes a sub-catergory of, and we can lump in glitch Pokémon and hacked games and so on, B: Move the original article to there while mantaining what is known on the main space, in case the games are ever released, and C: Calm down, like people said before, this is just a fun project... Aura-Knight 18:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm for your suggestion, except for two problems. A)Some shippipngs are cannon (NormanxCaroline). B) Although I wouldn't go as far as calling them official, glitch Pokémon aren't fandom either. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 19:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
That's an interesting stance, evkl. The "evidence" itself is factual, it's just the interpretation of that evidence that is opinionated. So, strictly speaking, the fandom support for the games seems less article-worthy than the actual games. At any rate, I'd support a move to the Appendix, but I don't think the article should be split. --((Marton imos)) 20:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
evkl insisted on cold hard facts, as in, "a Nintendo representative let slip its in the works" but we dont have that, we actually have nothing. the article merely stands right now as a gateway to tell people that it is highly agreed upon by fans that it will happen, but it has not been announced in anyway. -- MAGNEDETH 20:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
We should at least find some place to put it all though. And I can bet that there will be a lot of people (non-users) who check this page constantly that'll not be very happy about the change. R.A. Hunter B. 23:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

TTEchidna

We shouldn't link to the user namespace in the article. TorchicBlaziken (talk•edits) 19:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

He is the one who came up with it. We're going to give credit where credit is due. --((Marton imos)) 20:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Plus, Pie came up with Nugai, so everyone must now worship me! TTEchidna 01:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

It's been moved

For now, at least. --((Marton imos)) 05:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well it's been a year and a half since it was made. Amazing eh? TTEchidna 09:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Whoo. Now I don't have to rant about things any more. And you guys don't have to listen to me do it either! R.A. Hunter B. 22:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Clues

"...and inferences made from clues within the Pokémon games and anime."

Shouldn't it say "apparent clues" or something like that? All the clues are just based on how people interpret what is in the game. Well, other than the in-game data.--Gou 18:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

We normally try to keep only the things that more than one person agrees on. When somebody tells us it's stupid, we talk about it, and then decide. R.A. Hunter B. 21:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Time Capsule And 3 Years After Stuff

Oh, boy..... I just realized something that goes AGAINST the GSDS theory we believe in..... the time capsule... with FireRed and LeafGreen taking the spot for today's Red and Green(Blue), it isn't three years anymore! The time capsule trades back to the first games, which happen three years after the GS timeline, 'cause gs was released around three years after Red and Green(Blue) was released. If GSDS comes in 09, it'll be 5 years, as FireRed and LeafGreen was released in 04! That will TOTALLY change the WHOLE gs story! The time capsule in GSDS would trade with today's Red and Green(Blue), FireRed and LeafGreen and BACK, like the originals would of done, right? But would it still keep the 3 year thing? By now, saying its 3 years would mean it should be 07. Oh, boy, I REALLY don't like it when evidence AGAINST the GSDS theory pops up....... and this is REALLY AGAINST GSDS....... :( I'm not happy AT ALL!--DRAGONBEASTX 09:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

...in all actuality, the "three years" thing applies only for RG to GS. 1996 to 1999. RB was 1998. GS was 2000. Two years. Just because FRLG came 5 years before GSDS doesn't mean really anything. TTEchidna 10:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess you're right but, 2 years is still closer than 5..... then Crystal turned to 3 years for America and 4 years for Japan...... you know, we all support this will happen, but hypothetically, what if it doesn't? Nintendo would make tons 'o money if they'd make GSDS...... why can't they just make it already? So many hints! The notched ear Pichu, the in-game data..... we just support it and hope it'll happen... *SIGH*--DRAGONBEASTX 10:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Besides, who's to say timelines have to be consistent to real-world time? For all we know, three years was some random figure pulled by the writers and the fact that the Japanese starts to the first two generations were three years apart was coincidence--in fact, the first two generations by release date were actually closer to four years apart if you take months into factor(Generation I came February 1996, Generation II came November 1999).
My 2¢: The fact that it's been five years since FireRed/LeafGreen isn't evidence either for or against. For all we know, the Hoenn-based games of Generation III could have taken place 10 years after Generation II, and Generation IV taking place 20 more years later, and still maintained its real-world release timeframes (in fact, do we actually know the in-game timeframes of the games in Generations III and IV save FireRed/LeafGreen being in its original's timeframe and XD being five years after Colosseum?). --Shiningpikablu252 16:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
It's true, we assume that Colosseum, RSE and FRLG happenned at the same time because you can freely trade between them without a time machine. Except that XD could also freely trade to the GBA games and that happenned 5 years after Colosseum. So unless Ruby and Sapphire were supposed to have happened over 5 years, thats really no indicator. I've never noticed that before.--MisterE13 00:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait, on this subject, is there any evidence that Generation I and Generation III are at the same time other than Lanette? Flicky1991 18:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

you must ignore Gen 1 and 2 at this point. theyre basically in another dimension. -- MAGNEDETH 21:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The main thing that confuses the hell out of me is the P.C. storage system. If Bill got an upgrade to the storage system from Lanette 3 years before G/S/C, then why doesn't G/S/C have the awesome storage system? FR/LG.... *shakes fist*--RexRacer -talk 21:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Because the Johto games were only the second Gen. games. They were still in the early stages of Pokémon gameplay. R.A. Hunter B. 21:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
i just said, another dimension. they dont actually exist. -- MAGNEDETH 22:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I honestly think that it is irresponsible for Nintendo to not have had them out by now. I can see why they didn't want to make them right away, seeing as it was only a couple of years after Johto when R/S came out, and that would be stupid. It would be like if they made a D/P remake this year. But now that we have almost ten years in between, they neeed to make these things now. NOW. And they never have to hear anything about them again, just how good/bad they did them. They need to do them good, too. But IMHO, it should be done during Gen V. The flagship games of Gen V, followed by the last games of Pokémon. These things need to jump out at all of the little kids and say "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE ARE SO COOL!" Becuase they really, really are. Anyway, I think if we are getitng them, we will be hearing some sort of official word on it this year. Otherwise, I think that Nintendo will have buried Johto in their archives forever. A very stupid thing to do, if you ask me. --RexRacer -talk 22:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

This is getting to much like a forum conversation. R.A. Hunter B. 17:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Questions

How do we know that Gen 1 and Gen 3 happen at the same time. And Gen 2 and Gen 4 happen at the same time?

Also, am I right in thinking if GSDS isn't revealed this year (to be released next year) all chances of GSDS are finished? Super-Max 15:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

We don't know. We don't know anything. It's just given by hints, all of which are given in the games. Hence everything on this page is a huge guess. But for your second question, time means nothing. Just look at Doctor Who. (So no one go crying now that it ain't gonna happen, coz I know some people will) — THE TROM — 21:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Even if they don't reveal anything in the next year, the page most likely will stay up untill official comment from Nintendo. R.A. Hunter B. 22:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I was catching some Ho-Oh's with my AR in Pearl and realized they all had the Sacred Ash. Ho-Oh only holds the Sacred Ash in generation 2 and not generation 3, so could this have something to do with GSDS? And a Celebi I also caught was holding a Lum berry, and the code I used technically doesn't make them hold an item. Would this be some proof? EmS 03:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
They're programmed to have those. In Gen III too. TTEchidna 05:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The Ho-Ohs all hold Sacred Ash, Celebis and Mews hold Lum Berries, and none of the other legendaries hold items that I'm aware of. R.A. Hunter B. 22:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the Sacred Ash on Navel Rock where Ho-Oh was in Emerald and FRLG? I have seen a few legendaries who have the Lum berry, including Shaymin. So why would they put Mew, Ho-oh, and Celebi and other non-legendary Pokēmon with items in Gen IV? Or is it just beta data that was left in? --EmS 04:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I forgot about Shaymin. But yes, they probably had the items as beta data. I would say backup data to keep the game from crashing during a hack, but I don't know why that would happen. R.A. Hunter B. 04:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Well I guess that if this means nothing, there seems to be nothing that is absolute proof. So I would guess that we're stuck hoping Nintendo does make the remakes for those who want it, and they would be a nice bailout for Nintendo if they ever hit terrible economic issues.--EmS 05:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Johto starters in movie 12

anyone read serebii this morning, they're on the poster along with Heatran, should we add this or wait 'til official confirmation UltamateCharizard 15:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

the information seems official, why not.--Nobody777 16:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Also Chikorita, Cyndaquil and Totodile are featured in the 12° movie.- unsigned comment from Lugia Ho-Oh 4ever (talk • contribs)

Yep, this (ALMOST) proves it. It's happening.--RexRacer -talk 21:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
No it doesn't. It makes it a bit more likely, but it doesn't prove it. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 21:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Combined with everything else It makes it almost certain, but needs official confirmation. Super-Max 22:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

And there were thirtysix Gen II Pokemon in DPPt..... so wooh! there we go, it's a big happening thing. </sarcasm> Please refrain from seeing everything as a colossal hint and take further rants along these lines to the forums. That's what they're there for. — THE TROM — 22:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The only reason they'd market the Johto starters together like that is if GSDS is happening. Trust me. TTEchidna 22:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Even the devil's advocates got nothing on this. This pretty much cements it. If they had shown a Gen V Pokémon, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But cmon! They are central/main characters in a MOVIE. If that's not the most obvious hint ever, people can just wait until March 13 or so when the next Coro leaks prove it. Aura-Knight 01:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Back to the mainspace?

Or ought we wait until April or May (I say May) when they announce its release date to be November 21, 2009. TTEchidna 23:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What's with all these date guesses? Jeez, patience, grasshopper, good things come to those who wait.
Besides, I say wait until something is said for sure. When I saw the poster on Serebii.net, the idea of something like this crossed my mind for a brief moment... and it was good. But I'll wait until if or when something is said. And I'd rather it be a marvelous surprise than have to wade through speculating and ZOMGing... just wait for the moment. That's what I'm doing.~Toastypk - Loom. 01:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd say no, not yet. --((Marton imos)) 07:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Date guesses? Because November 21, 2009 is GS's 10th anniversary in Japan. Anyway, what should we do when the games are finally announced? Turn this into the page on the games, or keep them separate? TTEchidna 07:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I say definitely out of mainspace now. And if they are announced... maybe move this to Fan speculation about Pokemon Gold and Silver remakes? — THE TROM — 07:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Good idea. After the announcement, maybe we should move this with that title under Appendix: space. Or maybe we could just rename this as "GSDS beta", or something like that. ×Kevzo8 08:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
As I have said, this page would probably best be moved to {{{final name}}} beta, as other beta pages have similar information on them. We'll start another page with info on the actual remakes once they're announced. --((Marton imos)) 23:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. Game name beta is good. Then we can make GSDS's page. Would GSDS redirect there, though, or here? TTEchidna 02:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Um. That... is a good question. Your term for these games has spread throughout the fandom (or at least the forums) pretty quickly. I guess that, since it does apply to the games, we'd have it redirect to the Versions page, not the beta page. Although it would make sense the other way, too, since we'd have an official abbreviation (like SgMs or something similar) once they're released, so... argh. --((Marton imos)) 02:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

yay my term is 2nd only to TTE's term, and there obviously not going to be called GSDS, so does that mean my SunGold MoonSilver is the most likely name. Obviously, it's not official, and I'm not suggesting it be in the article at all, but I just wanteed to make this note on the talk page, so in future we can see if it was correct. Super-Max 14:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Twelvth?

I've noticed that, under the picture from the new movie with the Johto Starters on it, it says "Twelvth movie". Shouldn't that be "Twelfth movie"? I would change it but I don't really know how. Taromon777 13:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. TTE incorrectly spelled it. The page is protected, so let an admin deal with it. --×Kevzo8 13:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

...I swear Firefox is at fault here. TTEchidna 02:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Apricorn balls for Criticism?

Should the fact Apricorn balls haven't been programmed into DPPt be under criticism? Jmvb 19:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Should it also be added that while there is strong evidence for a new game set in Johto it may not be a Gold/Silver remake but an entirely new game that happens to be set in Johto Jmvb 19:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Why? It'd be easy enough to keep them from being traded into D/P/Pt while being held, and just as easy to add the needed sprites for Pokémon caught with them. Heck, they could change them to regular old Poké Balls when being traded. They have planty of ways to take care of the problem. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 19:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
And that's not gonna happen. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 19:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
because it's a point against it. There may be solutions to it, but it's still a point against it. Heck I theorised that pokemon from GSDS in apricorn balls will show up as being in Park Balls, and that the Gold and Silver colour was to show it was from Gold and Silver.Jmvb 20:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I find the second point very dubious. It's unlikely they would bother with an entirely new game when they could be working off of what GS already gave them. Yes, there will be a great deal of new code and new additions, but at least they don't have to come up with a new storyline or characters while they're at it. It's possible, but I see no reason to believe it's true.
As for the first... it doesn't seem that big a deal to me. We've had this discussion before, and it seems likely that, if they can't "patch" the new balls into the game, they just won't make them tradeable (or, as you postulated, make them turn into other balls). --((Marton imos)) 21:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Still, it wouldn't be the first time they've had 2 different games set in the same region, look at Colo and XD.Jmvb 22:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
So you are suggesting that there will be a sequel to Gold and Silver in the remakes of Gold and Silver?--RexRacer -talk 22:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Entirely possible. But there have been almost ten years passed since GS; there were only about two years between Colosseum and XD, which were considered within the same generation. --((Marton imos)) 22:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Based on the evidence I think there's a 100% they'll be games set in Johto. However it doesn't necessarily mean it will be a remake of Gold and Silver like FRLG was for RBY. I'm just throwing other ideas out there. Jmvb 23:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Why not have the Apricorns changed to the Sinnoh Poké Balls, and keep the normal Pokéballs in stores? --Anangryzapdos 15:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I think that the Apricorns would be changed to normal berries available in Gen 4.--~Poke~ 09:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Logically thinking, they'd have a sequel to Gen I before a sequel to Gen II... although Gen II WAS kinda a sequel to Gen I... but following that logic, Gen III SHOULD HAVE BEEN a sequel to Gen II, so... ignore me now... The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 23:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
This conversation has gone off track, and needs to be delivered to the Bulbagarden forums..... This talk page discusses the article, not the topic, folks. — THE TROM — 23:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
My question is, in-game, is it possible to have a Pokémon be "caught" (and in the status screen, show it as caught) with a Park Ball? TTEchidna 01:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
DPPt Park Balls? I don't think so. The page says they appear in the Ball they were originally caught in. GSC Park Balls? I'm not sure... they did differentiate between Balls back then, didn't they? Although I don't know if it appeared in the status screen... Argh. --((Marton imos)) 06:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
What he means is to try and hack yourself some Park Balls into your inventory, then use them. ΘρtιmαtumTalk 13:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
For DP, I've never heard of anyone hacking Park Balls. I don't know yet for Platinum, though I bet they're nearly the same data. R.A. Hunter B. 22:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
ive hacked Park Balls. they work the same as a great ball. -- MAGNEDETH 20:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I think what TTE meant is, if you caught a Pokémon on Route 224 with a Park Ball, will a Park Ball appear on the status screen and will it say it was caught on Route 224? Seeing as in Pal Park, it gives you the ball you originally caught the Pokémon with along with its region.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 20:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

So? Wouldn't the apricorn balls be replaced by the new balls from Generation III? - User:Eefree89/Name

Possible, there are some similarities between the two sets; however, there are unique monster balls from GSC that didn't make the shift, and they would probably like to keep those (the colours also played into it). As it stands, it seems that this is easily correctable, and should not count against it. In any case, we should find out the first word of it in a week. Satosuke 21:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Another hint..

..Ragecandybar. It was mentioned by the woman of the Veilstone Department Store in Platinum. ►Ҝəυzø8 12:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

...and some lady gives you a Lava Cookie but you don't hear anything about RSDS. Aura-Knight 14:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah... wasn't that only in FR/LG (which was directly connected to RSE, seeing how it's on the exact same gaming system as that.). Weedle Mchairybug 22:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I forget who, but somebody mentions it in FireRed. It's on the Fame Checker for Bruno. R.A. Hunter B. 16:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

actually, the real hints are here and there. a hiker in one of the early cities mentions Prof. Elm. he says Elm was "seemingly forgotten" or something. he also makes a comment about his research on eggs. -- MAGNEDETH 21:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The Happiny man in Hearthome City. He talks about hearing something about Prof. Elm's research about eggs hatching faster when around high energy Pokémon. R.A. Hunter B. 03:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Celestic Town

I, quite frankly, am shocked that no one realized this obvious hint in DPP. There is an object in the middle of Celestic Town that looks incredibly similar to the object in Johto where the Celebi event occurs. And the location itself is similar to Mahogany town because of the significant legendary Pokemon-related events there. - unsigned comment from Genericuser62637 (talk • contribs)

You mean the structure in front of the shrine? R.A. Hunter B. 01:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

it actually looks very similar to the celebi event shrine--Nobody777 13:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

This needs to go to the forum unless somebody actually has a point about this. If so, then add it. If not, then the forums are better for this conversation. R.A. Hunter B. 16:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
This discussion is about a hint and whether or not to add it to the article. It doesn't violate our policy. --((Marton imos)) 20:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Sinnoh Region

I think it needs to be pointed out, somewhere in the article, that along with 'Kanto, Hoenn and Johto' regions, Pokesav shows that there is also a Sinnoh region as a separate place too. There's absolutely no reason to have a separate Sinnoh region like that when everywhere in Sinnoh already has a separate entry. Plasma 08:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's to compensate for when another game (such as GSDS or the next generation) has Pokemon from Sinnoh (from a trade ingame) or via a future game, it can show "Apparently caught in Sinnoh" between the games, since the route data isn't kept between the games. Unless there is route data for other regions in DPPt already, then it would indeed be odd.
To clarify: Pokemon is caught in Sinnoh with a route number -> Pokemon is traded to GSDS, which may not have Sinnoh route data, so it is redesignated as "from Sinnoh" -> Pokemon is traded back to DPPt, is displayed as "apparently being from Sinnoh" with no route information. MK 09:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd imagine it'd keep the data entered. If you trade a Nidoqueen from FRLG to RS, it doesn't say it was caught on Route 3, but trade it back and it'll say it was (I do believe). TTEchidna 22:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Magazine giveaway

Just a minor thing, but Official Nintendo Magazine (UK) just gave away a door-hanger. On one side it has a trainer from Pokétopia, the caption reads 'Stay out. Pokémon Training in progress', but the OTHER side has a picture of a Totodile ( a GS Pokémon). Might be nothing, but it's all advertised under 'Pokémon Platinum Version'. Dragonfree97 21:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The other two hangers have Sealeo and Snorlax. They just chose a Pokémon that went with the "I won't bite" caption. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Sunday

Anyone want to add that info? Offical Annoucement seems imminent. Aura-Knight 15:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Although it's all but sure to be GSDS, it hasn't been announced yet, and as such, really shouldn't be added. But, this IS an appendix article, so... The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 15:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Celebi

Under "Other reasons", it says that Celebi can only be received via bonus disks.

  1. What bonus disk?
  2. I got one at Journey Across America...

--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 11:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

3. Has never been availablie in PAL regions Generation II, by whatever method.. Believe me, I live in Europe. Pokémon Lover King Mario 14:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Only two ways, the Japanese Colloseum bonus disc, or a rare few giveaways. Aura-Knight 17:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Something we should address

TTE brought this up on the last archive: When the games are announced, what do we do with this page? My idea, as I mentioned earlier, is to move it to "Pokémon XGold and YSilver beta" while we start a new page at "Pokémon XGold and YSilver Versions" (taking for granted that the names would be of that form). We could tweak this page a little to match the other beta pages (probably removing most of the minor hints), and start the other page with actual information on the games. Given that we're about five days away from what we all hope is the announcement, I think we should start addressing this now. --((Marton imos)) 23:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd move it to the main article, and crop this into a section "Fan speculation". It's not really a beta... — THE TROM — 23:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
No, of course not, but other beta pages (specifically, the one for the original GS) has information about the days leading up to the games' announcement and release. I think it'd be a good idea to preserve at least part of this page, and we could do that by incorporating it into the main article, but I don't think it'd fit as well. --((Marton imos)) 05:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
TTE is planning to move it as "Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation." (Or maybe not.) ◄Kevzo8► 06:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
That's one of my many ideas. That'd call for a revamp of this page, of course, and thankfully keep all the crap about "LOL NEW ITD HAPPIN" off the main page. The issue is about the GSDS link. That's the speculative name, but it'll be used for these games for a while before we get used to whatever abbreviation.
I think moving this to speculation, having a separate beta page for stuff we find out after the release that was unimplemented, and having this linked to from the main article would be perfect. It could even be done as

Trivia

  • These games were long speculated to be planned for release, even as far back as the 2004 release of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. While evidence over the five years between the two was at times sparse and a stretch to link, ultimately it culminated in the announcement of this game on Pokémon Sunday as a "much-talked-about" game. Subsequent to the release of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl for the Nintendo DS, these games were known as "GSDS", as, correctly, fans believed that they would eventually be released for the same system as Generation IV games.
And if that stuff doesn't stay in that article forever and ever and ever and ever I'm gonna be an angry echy. Yes even in Generation XI. TTEchidna 06:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Replacing, I assume, Pokémon Gold and Silver remake with the actual title of the game? --((Marton imos)) 09:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Well all this time we haven't been speculating the actual titles of the games. All this time we've been speculating remakes. I'd say keep that title. TTEchidna 12:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
We could do something like:

"Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes, officially known as *insert game title*, are remakes of the original Gold and Silver games for the Gameboy Color. There is..."

And then keep going. R.A. Hunter B. 13:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The games' actual titles would definitely take precedence, and when you consider that "Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes" is just a descriptor, it really doesn't fit. Now that TTE's explained his idea, I'm willing to go with that. Who else wants to weigh in on this? --((Marton imos)) 08:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Why not? R.A. Hunter Blade 21:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep the page.

It's a REAL chunk of Pokemon fandom history. It's one of the biggest pre-release (and even pre-announcement) speculations in Pokemon ever. I suggest archiving this page. It will be a historical document for our sons and daughters. --Maxim 06:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Or at least to look back on come Gen VI. TTEchidna 06:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
That's why it was moved to its current location. The GSDS speculation represents... well, something important. You don't have to worry, we're holding on to this. --((Marton imos)) 09:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

GSDS

Should GSDS redirect here or to the HeartGold and SoulSilver pages, as GSDS will probably become shorthand for it now. - unsigned comment from Jmvb (talk • contribs)

GSDS redirects here. HGSS will be used for the new games. --((Marton imos)) 09:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hometown values update

Been absent, nice to finally see this confirmed. I wanted to updated (and correct a mistake) on the values for the hometowns from the game data.

  1. Hoenn (Sapphire)
  2. Hoenn (Ruby)
  3. Hoenn (Emerald)
  4. Kanto (FireRed)
  5. Kanto (LeafGreen)
  6. (Unused)
  7. Johto (HeartGold)
  8. Johto (SoulSilver)
  9. (Unused)
  10. Sinnoh (Diamond)
  11. Sinnoh (Pearl)
  12. Sinnoh (Platinum)
  13. (Unused)
  14. (Unused)
  15. Colosseum/XD (Colosseum & XD)

I stupidly left the numbering automated on here last time, leading to the wrong conclusion. As with before, i've not tested them all accuracy (notice that PBR is missing from this list compared to the last one :S).

So there is room for a Crystal remake (among others), though personally i'm in doubt. --Zeal T / C 19:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

There's room for a third version of Kanto, too. Remember, they began to program this stuff together while FireRed and LeafGreen were nearly done, and while Emerald began. Undoubtedly they were looking ahead with the intention of leaving the option of having a slot for WB/TY. TTEchidna 20:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, a Crystal remake is in doubt for me. They didn't release LightningYellow, did they? Omegaterminator 22:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't Ruby be first and Sapphire second? Pokemon lover 15:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Why? They came out at the same time. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of pair version ordering. Pokemon lover 19:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Game data, so no. Sapphire comes first for some odd reason. TTEchidna 22:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I realize I am not that smart when it comes to this, but what exactly does hometown values mean anyway? --HoennMaster 04:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Gen IV games know which game the Pokémon was caught in as well as where it was caught. TTEchidna 06:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
So how was ths info disover anyway? --HoennMaster 06:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Sav. TTEchidna 12:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Future merge

Should this article be merged or at the very least, be summarized and referenced on a future article about the beta of HG/SS? Pokemon lover 15:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

We won't need to do anything untill we actually GET the beta info. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Previous discussion on this topic has lead to the decision that we're keeping this page separate. We can mention it on the HGSS beta page. --((Marton imos)) 13:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Should we

really keep adding to this? The purpose to this page was to list all the reasons we thought GSDS would be made. Now HGSS are being made, so we don't have to speculate anymore. --((Marton imos)) 23:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

That's what I think. If anything else is found after HGSS, it should either go in the List of cross-generational references page or a new "similarities between games" page or something. ~ platinumsol 23:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
This is the largest, if not one of the largest, speculation/awaitings of a new game. Why should we delete/abandon it? It's history. |>H1|23•57R1K3 23:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. We shouldn't delete/abandon this history. But in order to preserve that history, I think we should stick to hints that people saw before the HGSS announcement, instead of continuously adding more even after the fact. --((Marton imos))
I am in complete agreement here. It's speculation about (then) potential remakes, not speculation about HGSS. No one has any need to be adding any new information to this page... at this stage at least. Perhaps if new information arises (interview with someone saying this was planned since before FRLG? Idk...) — THE TROM — 09:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I know it has been confirmed but can i add this detail?

I was playing Platinum and the Sinnoh Pokédex is Gold and the National PD is silver. Something to mention?--Midnight Blue 06:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Considering Giratina also has those two colors on it, I'm thinking more it's based on that. TTEchidna 06:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Dang, was not thinking about giratina, well ok then.--Midnight Blue 06:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

... But not EVERYTHING was added.

Please, someone, tell me, what were the two unlockable passes that came with Electivire and Magmortar, BOTH who had babies introduced in gen 2?--GreenAiden555 15:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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