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[[File:Weather Trio 2.png|thumb|210px|The weather trio in their alternative forms in the anime.]]
[[File:Weather trio.png|thumb|210px|Groudon and Kyogre battle as Rayquaza arrives.]]
[[File:Weather trio.png|thumb|210px|Groudon and Kyogre battle as Rayquaza arrives.]]
The '''weather trio''' is a fan term for the [[Legendary trio]] made up of {{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}}. A less commonly used fan term is '''elemental trio'''. They are referred to in the games and the Super Music Collections as the '''super-ancient Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''超古代ポケモン''' ''super-ancient Pokémon''), although the Japanese version of the [[Pokémon anime]] has applied this term to [[Fossil]] Pokémon as well.
'''Super-ancient Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''超古代ポケモン''' ''super-ancient Pokémon'') is a term loosely applied in the games and the Super Music Collections to three ancient [[Legendary Pokémon]] from [[Hoenn]] legend-{{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}}. These Pokémon were long known under the fan term '''weather trio'''. A less commonly used fan term is '''elemental trio'''.


The weather trio could be references to the Biblical mythologies, {{wp|Leviathan}}, a sea monster; {{wp|Behemoth}}, a land beast; and {{wp|Ziz}}, a giant bird, respectively. Also, their role as the guardian, as well as their respective types, are related to the elemental spheres; Kyogre being the {{wp|hydrosphere}}, Groudon being the {{wp|lithosphere}}, and Rayquaza being the {{wp|atmosphere}}. These three members all appear to have similar physiology; identical signs on their body, as well as their yellow eyes.
The three Pokémon could be references to the Biblical mythologies, {{wp|Leviathan}}, a sea monster; {{wp|Behemoth}}, a land beast; and {{wp|Ziz}}, a giant bird, respectively. Also, their role as the guardian, as well as their respective types, are related to the elemental spheres; Kyogre being the {{wp|hydrosphere}}, Groudon being the {{wp|lithosphere}}, and Rayquaza being the {{wp|atmosphere}}. These three members all appear to have similar physiology; identical signs on their body, as well as their yellow eyes.


In their reprised roles in the [[remake]]s of {{g|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], Groudon and Kyogre gained the ability to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and Rayquaza the ability to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]]. Primal Reversion is said to be a process whereby the Pokémon return to their original power. Meanwhile, Rayquaza is said to be the first Pokémon to have Mega Evolved.
In their reprised roles in the [[remake]]s of {{g|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], Groudon and Kyogre gained the ability to undergo [[Primal Reversion]] and Rayquaza the ability to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]]. Primal Reversion is said to be a process whereby the Pokémon return to their original power. Meanwhile, Rayquaza is said to be the first Pokémon to have Mega Evolved.


In their original appearance in Generation III, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza's {{cat|Abilities with effects on weather conditions|weather-changing}} [[Ability|Abilities]] belonged exclusively to them. Though several non-Legendary Pokémon have other Abilities that can alter the [[weather conditions]], only {{a|Cloud Nine}}'s effect overlaps with the effects of the trio's Abilities (with Rayquaza's {{a|Air Lock}}). Upon undergoing Primal Reversion or Mega Evolution, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza gain new exclusive Abilities, enhanced versions of their original Abilities.
In their original appearance in Generation III, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza's {{cat|Abilities with effects on weather conditions|weather-changing}} [[Ability|Abilities]] belonged exclusively to them. Though several non-Legendary Pokémon have other Abilities that can alter the [[weather]], only {{a|Cloud Nine}}'s effect overlaps with the effects of the trio's Abilities (with Rayquaza's {{a|Air Lock}}). Upon undergoing Primal Reversion or Mega Evolution, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza gain new exclusive Abilities, enhanced versions of their original Abilities.


Though moves such as {{m|Sunny Day}} and {{m|Rain Dance}} have acted just like Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities since Generation II, causing the weather to change for only five turns, originally, Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities caused their weather effect for the remainder of the battle or until the weather was changed again in some way. However, Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's new, enhanced Abilities render it impossible for the weather to be changed by most other means, though the effect lasts only as long as they remain in battle. By contrast, Rayquaza's Ability—which removes the battle effects of any weather on the field, leaving only its visual effect—only lasts as long as Rayquaza remains active, as does Mega Rayquaza's enhanced version of the Ability.
Though moves such as {{m|Sunny Day}} and {{m|Rain Dance}} have acted just like Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities since Generation II, causing the weather to change for only five turns, originally, Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities caused their weather effect for the remainder of the battle or until the weather was changed again in some way. However, Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's new, enhanced Abilities render it impossible for the weather to be changed by most other means, though the effect lasts only as long as they remain in battle. By contrast, Rayquaza's Ability—which removes the battle effects of any weather on the field, leaving only its visual effect—only lasts as long as Rayquaza remains active, as does Mega Rayquaza's enhanced version of the Ability.
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==History==
==History==
In Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the trio's history is revealed. Thousands of years ago, during the primal age, the world was overflowing with natural energy. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre fought over that energy in endless clashes. In the face of their great power, people could do nothing. But Rayquaza intervened, and its power overwhelmed that of the two Primal Pokémon, and peace returned to the world. A thousand years later, a meteoroid hit the earth, causing cracks in the ground that unleashed natural energy, causing Groudon and Kyogre to re-battle each other. Humans had a collective memory of how Rayquaza saved their race long ago, and that wish combined with the power of the Meteorite allowed Rayqauza to Mega Evolve for the first time and calm the two from quarreling.  
In Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the trio's history is revealed. Thousands of years ago, during the primal age, the world was overflowing with natural energy. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre fought over that energy in endless clashes. In the face of their great power, people could do nothing. But Rayquaza intervened, and its power overwhelmed that of the two Primal Pokémon, and peace returned to the world. A thousand years later, a meteoroid hit the earth, causing cracks in the ground that unleashed natural energy, causing Groudon and Kyogre to re-battle each other. Humans had a collective memory of how Rayquaza saved their race long ago, and that wish combined with the power of the Meteorite allowed Rayquaza to Mega Evolve for the first time and calm the two from quarreling.  


==Similar movesets==
==Similar movesets==
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===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
All members of the weather trio can be obtained in the [[Embedded Tower]] after {{ga|Red}} is defeated and {{player}} has the [[National Pokédex]], [[Starter Pokémon#Kanto|Kanto starter Pokémon]], and respective [[Legendary artifacts#Colored orbs|Orbs]]. Kyogre is obtainable in HeartGold, and Groudon is obtainable in SoulSilver. Once both a Kyogre from HeartGold and a Groudon from SoulSilver are in one game, the player gets an opportunity to catch Rayquaza.
All three Super-ancient Pokémon can be obtained in the [[Embedded Tower]] after {{ga|Red}} is defeated and {{player}} has the [[National Pokédex]], [[Starter Pokémon#Kanto|Kanto starter Pokémon]], and respective [[Legendary artifacts#Colored orbs|Orbs]]. Kyogre is obtainable in HeartGold, and Groudon is obtainable in SoulSilver. Once both a Kyogre from HeartGold and a Groudon from SoulSilver are in one game, the player gets an opportunity to catch Rayquaza.


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==In the anime==  
==In the anime==  
All three members of the weather trio have appeared in the anime. {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} both debuted in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]''. Kyogre had been captured by [[Team Magma]], who was also in possession of the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}. Groudon was in [[Team Aqua]]'s possession along with the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb}}. The two teams were planning on swapping Groudon and Kyogre, but Kyogre was released by {{tc|Aqua Admin|Team Aqua commander}} [[Shelly]], who had infiltrated Team Magma. [[Archie]] then proceeded to take control of Kyogre using the Red Orb. In the [[AG098|following episode]], Archie threatened to use Kyogre's power to flood the island both teams had met at. At this time the now awakened Groudon came and began to battle with Kyogre. During this time, {{Ash}}, {{ashfr}}, and [[Lance]] managed to snap Archie out of the Red Orb's possession. Now free from the Orbs' possession Kyogre and Groudon retreated into the ocean and a volcano, respectively.
All three super-ancient Pokémon have appeared in the anime. {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} both debuted in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]''. Kyogre had been captured by [[Team Magma]], who was also in possession of the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}. Groudon was in [[Team Aqua]]'s possession along with the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb}}. The two teams were planning on swapping Groudon and Kyogre, but Kyogre was released by {{tc|Aqua Admin|Team Aqua commander}} [[Shelly]], who had infiltrated Team Magma. [[Archie]] then proceeded to take control of Kyogre using the Red Orb. In the [[AG098|following episode]], Archie threatened to use Kyogre's power to flood the island both teams had met at. At this time the now awakened Groudon came and began to battle with Kyogre. During this time, {{Ash}}, {{ashfr}}, and [[Lance]] managed to snap Archie out of the Red Orb's possession. Now free from the Orbs' possession Kyogre and Groudon retreated into the ocean and a volcano, respectively.


{{p|Rayquaza}} debuted separately from the other members of its trio. It first appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' defending its territory from a {{p|Deoxys}}. It later made its television debut in ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland!]]'' as an illusion.
{{p|Rayquaza}} debuted separately from the other members of its trio. It first appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' defending its territory from a {{p|Deoxys}}. It later made its television debut in ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland!]]'' as an illusion.
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[[Mega Evolution|Mega]] Rayquaza debuted in ''[[SS031|Mega Evolution Special II]]'', where [[Alain]] and {{Steven}} attempted to battle it with their receptive Mega Pokémon, but are quickly overwhelmed as it causes destruction to the surrounding area.
[[Mega Evolution|Mega]] Rayquaza debuted in ''[[SS031|Mega Evolution Special II]]'', where [[Alain]] and {{Steven}} attempted to battle it with their receptive Mega Pokémon, but are quickly overwhelmed as it causes destruction to the surrounding area.


Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon, and a {{shiny}} Mega Rayqauza are expected to appear in [[M18|the eighteenth movie]].
Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon, and a {{shiny}} Mega Rayqauza all made a major appearance in ''[[M18|Hoopa and The Clash of Ages]]''. Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon were summoned by an entity of Hoopa's Unbound form, along with the [[creation trio]] and Kyurem, and were controlled by the evil shadow in order to terrorize Dessert City. It is revealed that long ago, the two engaged in a battle with Hoopa in its Unbound form to entertain the citizens of Dessert City, but this ended when Hoopa's power was sealed by [[Ghris]]. Mega Rayquaza was summoned by Hoopa along with Latias and Latios in order to stop the entity of Hoopa's Unbound form from terrorizing Dessert City.  


==In the manga==
==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
All three members of the weather trio have appeared in Pokémon Adventures. Archie and Maxie took control of Kyogre and Groudon respectively, and Norman obtained Rayquaza to calm the two.
All three super-ancient Pokémon have appeared in Pokémon Adventures. Archie and Maxie took control of Kyogre and Groudon respectively, and Norman awakened Rayquaza in order to calm the two.


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
* The [[List of Pokémon by color|colors]] of the three members of weather trio are the {{wp|RGB color model|additive primary colors of light}}.
* The term '''super-ancient Pokémon''' has previously been attributed to [[Fossil Pokémon]] in the Japanese anime.
* The weather trio are the first Legendary trio not to share one universal Ability.
* The [[List of Pokémon by color|colors]] of the three super-ancient Pokémon are the {{wp|RGB color model|additive primary colors of light}}.
* Rayquaza is the only member of the weather trio that:
* The super-ancient Pokémon are the first Legendary trio not to share one universal Ability.
* Rayquaza is the only super-ancient Pokémon that:
** Cannot learn an [[One-hit knockout move|OHKO]] move.
** Cannot learn an [[One-hit knockout move|OHKO]] move.
** Is not directly sought after by a specific crime syndicate.
** Is not directly sought after by a specific crime syndicate.
** Has a [[Mega Evolution]] form and not a [[Primal Reversion|Primal Form]].
** Cannot learn its [[signature move]] by level-up, as it can learn it by move tutor.
** Has a [[Mega Evolution]] form rather than a [[Primal Reversion|Primal form]].
*** Also of note, Mega Rayquaza is the only member who does not require a [[Legendary_artifacts#Colored_orbs|Legendary Artifact]] to Mega Evolve. It is also the only Mega Evolution that does not require a [[Mega Stone]]. In the game lore it is explained that it eats meteorites to gain the power.


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File:Weather Trio 2.png
The weather trio in their alternative forms in the anime.
File:Weather trio.png
Groudon and Kyogre battle as Rayquaza arrives.

Super-ancient Pokémon (Japanese: 超古代ポケモン super-ancient Pokémon) is a term loosely applied in the games and the Super Music Collections to three ancient Legendary Pokémon from Hoenn legend-Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. These Pokémon were long known under the fan term weather trio. A less commonly used fan term is elemental trio.

The three Pokémon could be references to the Biblical mythologies, Leviathan, a sea monster; Behemoth, a land beast; and Ziz, a giant bird, respectively. Also, their role as the guardian, as well as their respective types, are related to the elemental spheres; Kyogre being the hydrosphere, Groudon being the lithosphere, and Rayquaza being the atmosphere. These three members all appear to have similar physiology; identical signs on their body, as well as their yellow eyes.

In their reprised roles in the remakes of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, Groudon and Kyogre gained the ability to undergo Primal Reversion and Rayquaza the ability to Mega Evolve. Primal Reversion is said to be a process whereby the Pokémon return to their original power. Meanwhile, Rayquaza is said to be the first Pokémon to have Mega Evolved.

In their original appearance in Generation III, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza's weather-changing Abilities belonged exclusively to them. Though several non-Legendary Pokémon have other Abilities that can alter the weather, only Cloud Nine's effect overlaps with the effects of the trio's Abilities (with Rayquaza's Air Lock). Upon undergoing Primal Reversion or Mega Evolution, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza gain new exclusive Abilities, enhanced versions of their original Abilities.

Though moves such as Sunny Day and Rain Dance have acted just like Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities since Generation II, causing the weather to change for only five turns, originally, Groudon's and Kyogre's Abilities caused their weather effect for the remainder of the battle or until the weather was changed again in some way. However, Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's new, enhanced Abilities render it impossible for the weather to be changed by most other means, though the effect lasts only as long as they remain in battle. By contrast, Rayquaza's Ability—which removes the battle effects of any weather on the field, leaving only its visual effect—only lasts as long as Rayquaza remains active, as does Mega Rayquaza's enhanced version of the Ability.

Rayquaza, the trio master, was shown quelling a violent confrontation between the other two Pokémon during the events of Pokémon Emerald.

This, the Tao trio, and the Forces of Nature are the only Legendary trios whose members do not all have the same base stat total; Groudon and Kyogre share a total of 670, while Rayquaza's is 680. This fits with its role as a mediator between Groudon and Kyogre.

History

In Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the trio's history is revealed. Thousands of years ago, during the primal age, the world was overflowing with natural energy. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre fought over that energy in endless clashes. In the face of their great power, people could do nothing. But Rayquaza intervened, and its power overwhelmed that of the two Primal Pokémon, and peace returned to the world. A thousand years later, a meteoroid hit the earth, causing cracks in the ground that unleashed natural energy, causing Groudon and Kyogre to re-battle each other. Humans had a collective memory of how Rayquaza saved their race long ago, and that wish combined with the power of the Meteorite allowed Rayquaza to Mega Evolve for the first time and calm the two from quarreling.

Similar movesets

Lv. 382Kyogre.png382Kyogre-Primal.png
Kyogre
 Water 
383Groudon.png383Groudon-Primal.png
Groudon
 Ground / Ground  Fire 
384Rayquaza.png384Rayquaza-Mega.png
Rayquaza
 Dragon  Flying 
Start Ancient Power
Water Pulse Mud Shot Twister
5 Scary Face
15 Aqua Tail Earth Power Ancient Power
20 Body Slam Lava Plume Crunch
30 Aqua Ring Rest Air Slash
35 Ice Beam Earthquake Rest
45 Origin Pulse Precipice Blades Extreme Speed
50 Calm Mind Bulk Up Dragon Pulse
60 Double-Edge Solar Beam Dragon Dance
65 Sheer Cold Fissure Fly
75 Hydro Pump Fire Blast Hyper Voice
80 Muddy Water Hammer Arm Outrage
90 Water Spout Eruption Hyper Beam
Moves in bold are STAB. Moves in italics do no damage.


Base stat comparison

Pokémon 382Kyogre.png
Kyogre
383Groudon.png
Groudon
384Rayquaza.png
Rayquaza
HP
100
100
105
Attack
100
150
150
Defense
90
140
90
Sp. Atk
150
100
150
Sp. Def
140
90
90
Speed
90
90
95
Total 670 670 680


Primal/Mega

Pokémon 382Kyogre-Primal.png
Kyogre
383Groudon-Primal.png
Groudon
384Rayquaza-Mega.png
Rayquaza
HP
100
100
105
Attack
150
180
180
Defense
90
160
100
Sp. Atk
180
150
180
Sp. Def
160
90
100
Speed
90
90
115
Total 770 770 780


In the games

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Rayquaza confronting Kyogre and Groudon in a cutscene in Emerald.

Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire

In these games, both Kyogre and Groudon appear in the Cave of Origin in their respective games, and after defeating the Elite Four, the player can encounter Rayquaza at rest on the topmost floor of the Sky Pillar.


Pokémon Emerald

In the enhanced version of Ruby and Sapphire, Kyogre and Groudon both appear in alternating caves after beating the Elite Four: Marine Cave (on Route 105, Route 125, Route 127, or Route 129) for Kyogre and Terra Cave (on Route 114, Route 115, Route 116, or Route 118) for Groudon. Rayquaza appears atop the Sky Pillar after calming Kyogre and Groudon in Sootopolis City, and is obtainable before the defeat of the Elite Four.


Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver

All three Super-ancient Pokémon can be obtained in the Embedded Tower after Red is defeated and player has the National Pokédex, Kanto starter Pokémon, and respective Orbs. Kyogre is obtainable in HeartGold, and Groudon is obtainable in SoulSilver. Once both a Kyogre from HeartGold and a Groudon from SoulSilver are in one game, the player gets an opportunity to catch Rayquaza.

Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

In the remakes, both Kyogre and Groudon appear in the Cave of Origin just like in the originals. However when the player faces them, they are in their Primal Forms. Rayquaza is obtained during the Delta Episode atop Sky Pillar, which occurs after the player become the Champion and is granted access to Sky Pillar by Wallace. Rayquaza must be caught when encountered; if the player runs away from it or defeats it, he or she will have to battle it again until it is caught.

In the anime

All three super-ancient Pokémon have appeared in the anime. Kyogre and Groudon both debuted in Gaining Groudon. Kyogre had been captured by Team Magma, who was also in possession of the Blue Orb. Groudon was in Team Aqua's possession along with the Red Orb. The two teams were planning on swapping Groudon and Kyogre, but Kyogre was released by Team Aqua commander Shelly, who had infiltrated Team Magma. Archie then proceeded to take control of Kyogre using the Red Orb. In the following episode, Archie threatened to use Kyogre's power to flood the island both teams had met at. At this time the now awakened Groudon came and began to battle with Kyogre. During this time, Ash, his friends, and Lance managed to snap Archie out of the Red Orb's possession. Now free from the Orbs' possession Kyogre and Groudon retreated into the ocean and a volcano, respectively.

Rayquaza debuted separately from the other members of its trio. It first appeared in Destiny Deoxys defending its territory from a Deoxys. It later made its television debut in Malice In Wonderland! as an illusion.

Mega Rayquaza debuted in Mega Evolution Special II, where Alain and Steven attempted to battle it with their receptive Mega Pokémon, but are quickly overwhelmed as it causes destruction to the surrounding area.

Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon, and a Shiny Mega Rayqauza all made a major appearance in Hoopa and The Clash of Ages. Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon were summoned by an entity of Hoopa's Unbound form, along with the creation trio and Kyurem, and were controlled by the evil shadow in order to terrorize Dessert City. It is revealed that long ago, the two engaged in a battle with Hoopa in its Unbound form to entertain the citizens of Dessert City, but this ended when Hoopa's power was sealed by Ghris. Mega Rayquaza was summoned by Hoopa along with Latias and Latios in order to stop the entity of Hoopa's Unbound form from terrorizing Dessert City.

In the manga

In the Pokémon Adventures manga

All three super-ancient Pokémon have appeared in Pokémon Adventures. Archie and Maxie took control of Kyogre and Groudon respectively, and Norman awakened Rayquaza in order to calm the two.

Trivia

  • The term super-ancient Pokémon has previously been attributed to Fossil Pokémon in the Japanese anime.
  • The colors of the three super-ancient Pokémon are the additive primary colors of light.
  • The super-ancient Pokémon are the first Legendary trio not to share one universal Ability.
  • Rayquaza is the only super-ancient Pokémon that:
    • Cannot learn an OHKO move.
    • Is not directly sought after by a specific crime syndicate.
    • Cannot learn its signature move by level-up, as it can learn it by move tutor.
    • Has a Mega Evolution form rather than a Primal form.
      • Also of note, Mega Rayquaza is the only member who does not require a Legendary Artifact to Mega Evolve. It is also the only Mega Evolution that does not require a Mega Stone. In the game lore it is explained that it eats meteorites to gain the power.


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