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Generation V Egg Group data

Seeing as how it's apparently incredibly difficult to trust new users with simple tasks here, I reckoned I'd just provide you with [the data] and allow you to handle it as you see fit. —hexagonTHEORY 08:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I was actually trying to get the opinions of a few other admins first, in particular for the ordering. I'll give you the honor of adding it to the page. Go ahead if you like. Werdnae (talk) 09:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I was under the impression that the template automatically padded the numbers to a length of three. Either way, thank you; I shall remember that in future. —hexagonTHEORY 09:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. Most templates like that don't pad the numbers, partly because it can then be sort of spoofed for the formes and stuff. Thank you for getting it all done. Werdnae (talk) 09:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense; those alternate Pokémon can be hell. You're welcome, but I won't lie; it was mostly all perl's doing. ^_^ —hexagonTHEORY 09:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

PokéPark Pictures (cont.)

Hey Werdnae, look what I found. :D I asked the guy who ripped them if we could use them and he said we could. Maybe put them on the side games template or something. Like to the left of the Pad description. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 00:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Werdnae, I would like to make a suggestion: I think putting the cell directly to the left of the Pad entries would be perfect, but d'you reckon you could just display the image in the actual template, then I'll just upload each of the images as PokePark001.png, etc. It seems like that would make things move far smootherly. —hexagonTHEORY 01:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
...well at any rate, Random Talking Bush sent all the individual images to me in PNG format to save us the trouble of cropping them all out of The Spriter's Resource. Let's decide on what we want the template to look like before deciding the file names perhaps. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 01:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Haha. It positively tickles me that none of you seem to have ever heard of programmers. Nearly all popular programming languages today are perfectly suited for ripping sections of images, so that wouldn't have been a problem; still, that was quite nice of him. Regarding the template, what could possibly be more fitting than putting the image to the left of the Pad entry? —hexagonTHEORY 01:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
For the file names we'll go with PPW###.png with the hashes being the ndex number. That has the added advantage of meaning that the image won't need to be added to each individual page. The images are 64px square right? I've made a quick mockup using one of the MD images stretched to 64x64 pixels to give an idea of size. Werdnae (talk) 02:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Yeah, they're 64x64. One final question and I'll start uploading them. The ###'s, do I use national dex or the Pokepark pad numbers? Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Ndex numbers. That way it's more consistent and there's no need for an extra parameter on the template. Werdnae (talk) 02:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Psst, we're all done uploading the PPW imagery; when d'you reckon they'll be displaying in the template? —hexagonTHEORY 04:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
How about... now. You may need to purge the cache to get it to show up on a specific page. Don't worry about manually doing them all though, the cache updates often enough on its own. Werdnae (talk) 04:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Glorious. It really does look quite snazzy. I think Jo might hate me now, though... —hexagonTHEORY 05:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Looks pretty good. =D In other news, I've been working on the Guardian Signs browser descriptions and I'm almost done with that as well. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 04:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

After getting all those icons uploaded, still think I should go ahead and upload those images I sent you via photobucket? (Sorry if it gets annoying always asking permission for everything[and for apologizing all the time], but I fear making a mistake will cost me. D:) Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 08:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd say just hold on to them for now. We may want to use them at some point, but the icons will be enough for the moment. And don't worry too much about making mistakes - everyone makes them at some point. It's always okay for you to ask if you aren't sure though. Werdnae (talk) 09:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Generation V Experience Yields...

Nearly every single Pokémon had its Experience yield modified in some way in Generation V; any ideas regarding how to get this data into the system without having to hand-modify almost 500 Pokémon pages? The only thing I could think of was a massive switch case; while it would be stupid ugly, it would get the job done much more efficiently. What do you think about the matter? —hexagonTHEORY 05:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The EV yield remains the same, right? If so the new Exp. yield could potentially replace the Battle Exp. part of the infobox - that number itself is just a formula of the Base, with the box taking up the whole width for Gen IV Pokémon (or it could have a -- like the dex numbers section). Unless the new yields are mathematically related to the old ones through a single formula then there's no way to get around adding it to the pages for all 493 Pokémon that need it unfortunately. Werdnae (talk) 09:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I do think that the Battle Exp. could be done away with. However, I still don't understand why it would have to be manually added; why couldn't a huge switch case be used in the template to provide the correct Exp. yield based on the National Dex number? —hexagonTHEORY 20:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Huge switches (i.e. those with many outcomes) require a lot of server resources and cause stability issues. That's why templates have parameters, rather than just a pagename switcher. It also means that if, say, someone makes a mistake putting it in, people who notice can just fix it. Since high-use templates get protected (again, mainly to reduce server stress) they wouldn't be able to if it was just a template with a giant switch. Werdnae (talk) 20:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Erm, the switch case would only need to take into account the parameter passed as the National Dex and then display the correct Exp. yield accordingly; that's not server-intensive at all; it doesn't have to access any other data on the server. As for being protected, why would any other user ever need to modify the template? It would be static data, would it not? —hexagonTHEORY 00:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
People make mistakes in entering the data, and often it won't get noticed for a while. And it's still a very big switch, as it would need 493 possibilities. Switch size for the server load is mainly determined by the number of different outcomes available, not the size of the input itself. Putting it into that template as a permanent switch like that would cause massive load on the server, and could potentially cause them to crash. Werdnae (talk) 00:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure you fully understand how the #switch functionality works on a wiki, but I'm nearly positive it doesn't require a call to the server. All it does is check a value given to it and display responses based on this value. To implement the new Exp. yields, all we would be doing is passing the ndex value, which it takes from having already been declared in the template, to a switch and displaying the corresponding number. As for people inputting incorrect data, you don't seem to have caught on to the fact that I already have this data; in fact, I've already updated the List of Pokémon by effort value yield to reflect the new numbers. I like the idea of having Bulbapedia be consistent and up-to-date with its information, and that's why I'm interested in having the new numbers put up; still, I'd like for it to be done in the most efficient way possible, and that certainly doesn't mean doing it manually. [Here] is the switch case as it would need to go up somewhere in the PokémonInfobox template. Please, I implore you, drop it in (perhaps in the Battle Exp. area like you suggested, but maybe even in the actual Exp. field if you're as interested in having Bulbapedia be accurate as I am) and see if it causes any server issues. Assuming it does, I'd be happy to set something up to do it manually; if it doesn't mess anything up, however, it will be quite a joyous occasion to be able to say that Bulbapedia is striving ever closer to completion. —hexagonTHEORY 01:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't know the inner workings of the switch function, but what I do know is that we have been specifically told by none other than big boss Archaic that they have been determined to be problematic, and to avoid them where possible. I don't know if you were around for it, but the wiki was locked down in June as it was resulting in a 503 for about 9 out of every 10 page loads. That was largely because there used to be a switch in the roundy template, which was used everywhere. Once the switch was removed and the template broken into nine pieces as a result the issues pretty much went away. Theoretically, the switch should work fine. The servers unfortunately just aren't stable enough to have them everywhere. For the record, Bulbagarden has five servers, four of which are used for Bulbawiki (Bulbapedia, the Archives and Bulbanews). As a result I cannot and will not add that switch to the template. It will have to be a parameter. Werdnae (talk) 01:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Awesome job, dude!

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What, you mean I have to give you another one? D: But seriously, you did good. *ruffles hair* —darklordtrom 08:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks trom. And the other people that decide this stuff. Werdnae (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Userpage

can I have a userpage? StripedRK9 00:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

You will be able to create your userpage once you have been a user for a certain time and have made a certain number of edits to the mainspace. Just keep contributing and you will be able to make it eventually. Werdnae (talk) 01:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Outrage

User:Littlmiget123 would like to have a picture of Clair's Dragonair using Outrage in the manga, since it isn't so easy to describe the move with just words. Can you upload the pic? --FinnishPokéFan92 12:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. I don't have that volume yet, sorry. Werdnae (talk) 19:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

sorry.

i thought it'd go in pikamander's,not deadlymenthane's talk page. :(----EBL (talk to me!) 01:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)