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I noticed that there is more information about [[Liberate the Tower!]] than Operation Brighton from [[Pokémon Ranger:Shadows of Almia]] on Bulbapedia. This doesn't seem right to me. Is it important enough that I can create an article about it? It's a kind of obscure subject, so I thought I should ask somebody on Project Sidegames first. [[User:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''AGG''</span>]][[User talk:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''RON''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|<span style="color:#444444;">''989''</span>]] 19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that there is more information about [[Liberate the Tower!]] than Operation Brighton from [[Pokémon Ranger:Shadows of Almia]] on Bulbapedia. This doesn't seem right to me. Is it important enough that I can create an article about it? It's a kind of obscure subject, so I thought I should ask somebody on Project Sidegames first. [[User:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''AGG''</span>]][[User talk:Aggron989|<span style="color:#858585;">''RON''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|<span style="color:#444444;">''989''</span>]] 19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
:Ranger Net missions get sections because they aren't part of the core game. Information on Operation Brighton goes in the plot section of the SoA article. The ranger net plot can't go there because it's separate, so it gets a section elsewhere. It might look like there's more info on Liberate the Tower than on Operation Brighton, but that's just because it's separate from the rest. There's actually a lot more info on Operation Brighton (the majority of the final paragraph of the plot section) than Liberate the tower (one sentence in its own section). The rest is just about the Darkrai once it gets to the main series games. The information on Operation Brighton is better suited to the plot section of the game page than its own article. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
:Ranger Net missions get sections because they aren't part of the core game. Information on Operation Brighton goes in the plot section of the SoA article. The ranger net plot can't go there because it's separate, so it gets a section elsewhere. It might look like there's more info on Liberate the Tower than on Operation Brighton, but that's just because it's separate from the rest. There's actually a lot more info on Operation Brighton (the majority of the final paragraph of the plot section) than Liberate the tower (one sentence in its own section). The rest is just about the Darkrai once it gets to the main series games. The information on Operation Brighton is better suited to the plot section of the game page than its own article. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
== Project Picture ==
Hi Werdnae,
Can I please make a project that make good quality images and put them on pages? I noticed that there are a lot of old images or low resolution images that needs to be replaced. Thanks! [[User:Agent5514|Agent5514]] ([[User talk:Agent5514|talk]]) 02:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:That is what the [[a:Main Page|Archives]] are. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
==Taking in game pictures==
==Taking in game pictures==
Hi again Werdnae, how do you take a picture of a bird's eye view of a Pokemon route or a Pokemon city like the ones used on Bulbapedia? Thanks. [[User:Agent5514|Agent5514]] ([[User talk:Agent5514|talk]]) 08:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi again Werdnae, how do you take a picture of a bird's eye view of a Pokemon route or a Pokemon city like the ones used on Bulbapedia? Thanks. [[User:Agent5514|Agent5514]] ([[User talk:Agent5514|talk]]) 08:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:# Don't delete comments from talk pages.
:# If I knew that, don't you think I'd have already ''done'' that for the ones we don't have?. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 09:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Typebattle template title "Resist" is mathematically inaccurate with current values.

Saying resist is mathematically incorrect if you keep the numbers as multiplication values.

Its valid for the 1/2x part since when you resist half the damage you take the other half.

However you are not resisting 2x the damage. That would be the same as resisting 200% of the attack. Resisting 100% or more would result in taking no damage at all. Resisting 0% would mean that you are resisting no damage and therefore taking 100% of the initial amount.

If you want to stick with the values being multipliers to the original attack i would recommend you to use another word like multiplyer, power or effectiveness.

The protected source is here :

DavidGuld 15:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right, resist is wrong there. I changed it to power so it matched the other half of the template. Thanks for pointing it out. Werdnae (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

If you're not busy

Is it okay to use the HP bar on my talk page? PattyMan 22:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Werdnae (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to create one on my own page. PattyMan 23:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


Here and here. One says Pokémon Yellow, while another says In Ruby or In Sapphire, etc. Which would be the most correct?----DJWolfy 12:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thing is, James has only appeared in Pokémon Yellow, where as Team Aqua has appeared in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. So in this case, it's fine the way it is.--ForceFire 12:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
No, I meant as a general thing. Not specifically referring to these articles.----DJWolfy 12:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Also here, there 3 examples.----DJWolfy 13:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
As I said when you last brought it up: "I'd say they don't all need to be the same. It depends more on the layout and phrasing of the sections." Werdnae (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
I know what you said. That's why I ask how exactly it depends and I thought I should give you some examples.----DJWolfy 21:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Would you mind if we leave this until after B2W2? I'm kinda busy with that and non-Bulba stuff just at the moment, so I don't really have time to look into everything properly and therefore give a quality answer. Werdnae (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure, why not. Just tell me when to remind you of it.----DJWolfy 11:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

possible multiple accounts

DerangedChillen and DementedChillen look like they could be the same user. G50 09:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. Thanks for letting me know. Werdnae (talk) 10:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
You're Welcome. G50 10:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

BW parameter

I changed it to the GenV parameter because when I previewed it with the BW one, it gave me a tiny dot for no reason. PattyMan 22:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Clear your cache. The parameter was just added to the template, looks like you were still getting a cached version. Werdnae (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


You probably can't translate them, but maybe you can write them? It took me few minutes just to get characters of location's Japanese name >_> these will take much longer, especially as there is three - Sewaddle, Mareep and Flaaffy. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Not a clue, sorry. Werdnae (talk) 07:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I do not ask to translate them, just to write them down to articles, as it is too much of pain for me. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 07:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. I don't know how to type them either. Werdnae (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

WarlordInfoBox Template

With Oichi and Nobunga being brother and sister in the Pokémon Conquest game, would it be possible to have relatives added to the template? G50 05:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I was unsure whether to add that or leave it for the body. I've added it to the template, but it'll only show up if the "Relatives" parameter is set. Werdnae (talk) 05:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

okay G50 05:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Conquest moves

Can Conquest be added to (not sure of the name) template to be able to add a move description to the Pokémon pages? G50 04:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Movedescentry? If so, done. Set the first parameter to "Conquest". Werdnae (talk) 04:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Is it also possible for you to make it so I can add Conquest next to BW? A lot of the moves have the same description as the BW ones. --It's Funktastic~! (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
BWConquest. Werdnae (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I have found out that that different Pokémon of the same species can have different moves (Zebstrika is all I know so far) when they are linked. Can ConquestMove be changed to ConquestMove1 and ConquestMove2 so the 2nd move can be added? G50 02:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the template, It's possible to add multiple moves to the cell using the one parameter, so just do that for now. If it's very common, we may want to change the layout, so if you notice any more can you let me know? Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay G50 03:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


Jo The Marten And I Are Having An Argument. Are People Allowed To Put Pokemon Templates On Mystery Dungeon Pages? Badjb10 (talk) 02:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Pokemon templates should only be used like that where there is something special about the Pokemon (Abnormal ability, abnormal moveset, etc.). There is absolutely nothing different between that Drowzee and any other wild level 12 Drowzee. It is therefore unnecessary to provide that extra information. The entry in the list is enough. Werdnae (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

In That Case, What Is The Point Of The Templates On Amp Plains tribes, The Pokemon On The Templates There Are No Different Then Any Other Of Their Species And Level. Badjb10 (talk) 04:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Because that's not a location article. It doesn't have a list. Werdnae (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It Shouldn't Matter That It's A Location Page. The Point Of Pages Like That Are To Make It Easy For Players To Gather Information From. Badjb10 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

.Drowzee (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) That page is about Drowzee. As such, it has the full description, including the template. Mt. Bristle is about the location, and as such has to provide information on many Pokemon. Thus the information given on each is less so that the page is not bogged down with information which is, quite frankly, unnecessary. Werdnae (talk) 05:29, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, It Was A Common Mistake That I Made, Especially Since There Was No Link To Drowzee (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) On Mt. Bristle. - unsigned comment from Badjb10 (talkcontribs)


This user has behaved in an intimidating and harassing way. Please perform the appropriate action for him/her.--Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round... (talk) 23:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

This has been handled. Werdnae (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


no problem, i'll stop.Purrloin! Meow!!! 22:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:User Want

Hey, I see you were the last one to edit the {{User Want}} template. Since that page is protected, could you please add B2W2 to the code? TheOriginalOne 11:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you noticed it... there's a problem with the B2 part: there's not enought contrast between the letters and the background. I could hardly see the letters when I tested it. TheOriginalOne 20:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed adding it to one part. is that better? Werdnae (talk) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

What have you done? I haven't noticed any change. The contrast is the same. Just change the background to black, please. TheOriginalOne 16:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I missed another one. Sorry about that, it's fixed properly now. Werdnae (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It's fixed now ty very much! TheOriginalOne 20:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


Hey, could you please protect this usertag: {{User:TheOriginalOne/User un}}? TheOriginalOne 16:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I won't, simply beacuse it's in your userspace, so you need to take care of it. You can't if it gets protected. Werdnae (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Now, could you please protect {{Template|Unown}}? TheOriginalOne 19:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You need to get permission from an admin to create new templates. In this case, the template takes almost as long to type as the code it replaces, so it is not worth having as a template. I should note that a template at that exact name with that exact function was deleted in december 2010 for precisely that reason. Pay attention to the warnings that are displayed when you are editing a page - the wiki should have told you that it had been deleted before and given the deletion log to explain why it was deleted. Werdnae (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, I received the strike right after this new message (I tought that the permission rule was just for the usertags). They also told me that there was another one with precisely that function, {{uwr}}. About that, since that template is protected, could you please make non-capital letters valid for it?

About the warning... the delete reason was not enought clear for me; I didn't understand why. TheOriginalOne 16:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a Recently Created Page

Hey. You seem to be the only staff member on at the moment, so I wanted to bring this to your attention. I'm not sure how to move it into Alexsummer's userspace myself, and I don't want to mess anything up. Thanks! Crystal Talian 03:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Moved. You just move the page, select "User" from the namespace dropdown and put their username at the start followed by a slash. Werdnae (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi, this problem has been bothering me since the very beggining of it... you know, that one with the youtubevid template, because it doesn't work since some months ago (yeah, when I try to preview with the old code, or even see an old version, the browser gives me an error). Now, I was wondering, do you know when it's going to be fixed, or have you even discovered what's the problem? TheOriginalOne 19:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

A recent Mediawiki upgrade broke the addon. We're looking into a replacement. Werdnae (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

At least it's going to be recovered... but do you have any info about when is it going to happen? TheOriginalOne 16:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

AG132 Trainer's Choice Error

1. It is not an assumption. I have seen every single episode with a Trainer's Choice, and every single one that asked "Which would be most effective against..?" or "Which Pokémon has the advantage?", it always meant types. Always. 2. If it's "still an error," why, pray tell, did you delete it? 3. You should tell that to Dennou Zenshi. "Didn't I just remove it?" he/she says, as if he/she is infallible. 4. I go to Talk pages to discuss something questionable. This is not questionable. It's quite obvious that Kirlia is being mistaken for a Grass-type. You wanna talk about assumption? Ask Dennou why he/she thinks that this TC could possibly be about Arcanine's stats and learnset. Really?! That is laughably baseless. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not obvious at all that they mistook Kirlia for a Grass-type, since M06 and AG109 made it clear that Kirlia is a Psychic-type. On the other hand, it is obvious that the "legendary" Arcanine is better than Kirlia, who is weaker than many unevolved Pokémon. We can't assume that they made a mistake when there's a legitimate reason for their answer.--Den Zen 12:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
The anime is known to make errors in areas in which it has been correct before. Electric affects Ground, then it doesn't, then it does on Rhydon's horn, then it doesn't, then it does in Rhydon's mouth, then it doesn't, etc. If you still honestly believe that this TC subtly refers to stats, unlike every other TC of its kind, then go ahead and edit Trainer's Choice's sections to pick your correct choice. There are many errors that end up being ties, with no Pokémon having an advantage over the stated one. Go ahead and compare every Pokémon's stats to every stated Pokémon's stats and see which is the "correct" one in every single erroneous TC. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Go ahead and look at Ag053's error. Combusken is stated as having an advantage over Kirlia. Now why would the writers do that, hm? Combusken is a mid-stage Pokémon like Kirlia and is roughly as strong, stat-wise. Maybe... they think Kirlia's a Grass-type?! --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk)
My apologies, I should have only removed half of the point. Unless we can actually confirm from someone at 4kids that Kirlia was mistaken for a grass type, that part is an assumption as should not go on the page. It should simply state that the answer is incorrect based on types. Nothing else. Werdnae (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I still think that it's obvious, but fair enough. We include the error, exclude the assumption. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 01:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
While previous advantage based Trainer's Choice questions were about type advantages, nothing specifically demands that the AG132 question followed suit. You're making the assumption, based only on the questions of previous episodes, that this question must be in error. If it's not concrete in either direction, we should not be noting something that may or may not be true. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 02:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Ransei facility template.

I've been putting together a template for the kingdoms of Ransei that would list the Pokémon that appear in their various facilities. I almost have it completed, but there is a strange occurence that's causing the last check mark to appear elevated in a sort of way. Since you worked on the templates I based mine on, I was wondering if you had a solution? Thanks in advance. – Chosen of Mana 21:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The line break after the final check mark is included in the cell. You need to put the noinclude (or in this case the opening comment tag) on the same line as the last check mark, then if you want line breaks they go inside that. Werdnae (talk) 02:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

FRLG sprites

Just saying that there are 3 extra, one for each final form starter (credits-exclusive). You might wanna include it in the sprite template (later or now, that's your choice), if you're still working on it. And yes, the 2nd frame is supposed to be blink-and-you'll-miss-it. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Help meh?

Well, this is a bummer. I can't seem to edit my userpage, let alone start one. I think I made like 4-5 contrbutions to the wiki. What now? ★☆Togetic45☆★

Keep editing the mainspace, you'll get to soon. Werdnae (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

If bumps are prohibited...

...then how are abandoned discussions to be resolved? No one came to an agreement on the talk page. For over a month. Reverting edits to suppress the issue shouldn't even be allowed. BNKTalk 05:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I have asked a few other staff members who weren't involved in the discussion to take a look at it and decide. And in future, the best thing to do is to either try and add something to the discussion or to ask a staff member directly. 'bumping' is generally an inefficient way of getting attention for something. Werdnae (talk) 06:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I asked Dennou Zenshi but…

MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage is causing Special:Disambiguations to not work, because none of those templates are linked. Can you fix it? --Abcboy (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I made a null edit to the mediawiki page, it should start working soon as the server cache clears. Werdnae (talk) 19:50, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
It's not working… According to the Special:Disambiguations page, they need to be linked. --Abcboy (talk) 03:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Added links. Also remeoved two that were deleted in 2008. Werdnae (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Archives Lockdown

I've got an image I've been trying to upload for the new Pokémon dolls for the Décor article, but the lockdown is still in effect on the archives, yet I see lots of daily updates by Jr Admins and above. When will the lockdown be rescinded? ♪Pyrii♫ talkcontrib 04:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

How's fifteen minutes ago sound? Just be aware it may be closed again if the server can't cope with the extra load. Werdnae (talk) 04:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like music to my ears, thanks, now if only the image would show without me having to edit the page. Oh well, anything to increase my edit count XD ♪Pyrii♫ talkcontrib 12:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

A question about my edit to Template:16TeamBracket

Hello, Werdnae. I made an update to the 16 Team Bracket template a bit ago for a few things. Mainly it was to make the tables be rounded per Bulbapedia style. While it looks good in concept and on most articles; I have seen a few pages where the template gets a bit streched out. Most of the stretching is limited to the 2009 World Championships and the 2010 World Championships. I wanted to know if it was alright or if my edit should be reverted for the moment. --Super goku (talk) 04:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It looks okay to me, but please be careful when editing templates. Especially at the moment when traffic is high due to B2W2, as editing even moderately used templates puts a big strain on the server. I'd prefer that you test it by making a test copy of the template in your userspace with the changes you want to make, before you edit the template. Werdnae (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Alright then. I think it will be better if I hold off on editing the other related templates. I will make sure to test it in the userspace next time as well. Thank you for checking.  :) --Super goku (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Translation templates?

Hi, let me ask you the following: are the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis wikis close enought for this template to be valid, and so that you could authorize me to create it on the template mainspace? TheOriginalOne 19:54, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Where would it be used? Usually if they've got an article and we don't it's because we've decided that we either don't want the article, or don't want the article yet. Werdnae (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
... and it's very rare for an article to be based on a wikipedia one: you could easily say that it's because you normaly don't want that article (yet), specialy when we're talking about a wiki that's too much general on those matters. So why does {{WikipediaBased}} exist, when there are certain wikis from our partnership that sometimes write something notable before Bulbapedia? TheOriginalOne 23:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
The WikipediaBased template is an overhang from when Bulbapedia was a wee infant with a userbase of a couple of hundred people. We're bigger than that now, and in general that template just shouldn't be used on any new articles.
In regards to other wikis having articles on "notable" stuff before we do, that's because each wiki has its own independent notability and rules system. In particular, we have a "Wait until it airs" rule for the anime and most, if not all, of our partners don't. We're a bigger, more active wiki and so we have higher standards that must be met before we start the articles. Werdnae (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Wp template: update to support (and strictly use) HTTPS

See this. What do you think of the suggestion? I'm not sure if this discussion topic should be kept on your talk page or at the template's talk page, by the way. SatoMew 18:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


I just noticed that I forgot to add typen= function to the GlitchSpirteBox template. It will just display a Unknown color background if there is no type2=. I tried to get it to work but no no avail. Any tips?--×Rsrdaman× 19:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Inside parameters you can't use {{!}}. It must be a pipe, because the way that template hides the pipe from parser fuctions such as switches means it also hides them from templates and parameters. {{!}} should only be used to replace the pipes in table coding. Werdnae (talk) 19:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, ok... I finally got it to work now. Thanks again. --×Rsrdaman× 09:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Random questions

  1. Are we allowed to edit other user's pages to remove a nonexisting template or a non-existing page?
    1. If not, are we allowed to alert the user?
  2. Would it be a good idea to implement the #ifexist: function into {{Red link}}?

Thank you for your time. --Abcboy (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

  1. Yes, provided that's all you do.
  2. I don't think that's a good idea. Firstly because the template is extremely high use and any edit is likely to crash the wiki. Second, because it's okay for pages we actually want to be on the wanted pages list, so anything that's definitely going to get a page shouldn't use the template. Thirdly because ifexists are expensive functions and adding that to the template would significantly increase the load that each use of the template puts on the server. Werdnae (talk) 18:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Zinzolin and Rosa link to Template:Textcolor. Should it exist, or is something wrong? --Abcboy (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
It's the Pokemon templates. If only some of the moves are known or a Pokemon only knows 1-3 moves, the parameters for the remaining moves must be removed, not just blanked. If they're blank, the template sees that they're there, and so doesn't use the defaults. Werdnae (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Archives stuff

As I'm working on the Glitchdex, a common problem I come across in incorrectly named images, or duplicates. Currently there are a lot of them and what I've been doing (just putting up {{Delete}} or {{move}} templates) is taking a lot of time and just making the current admins workload more. I really hate to ask, but as I read on the Archives Staff page, it said high-ups can bestow temporary admin power. So is there any way I can get that to move/delete all of these files?--×Rsrdaman× 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Not currently. Due to the recent server move and game releases the Archives are actually a little unstable for the time being. Werdnae (talk) 02:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I've moved the images for you Rsrdaman. --Pokemaster97 02:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Navigation templates

In many navigation templates, I see the " • ", but in others I see " | ". Should I change them to one way or another, or just let it be? --Abcboy (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Just let it be. Different templates call for different things. Werdnae (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

New Tournament infobox

How does this look? --Abcboy (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Firsly, it needs to be roundy to match our style. I know you've based it on the game screen, but it still should be roundy because otherwise it looks out of place. Also because following the game design that strictly means that if it gets redesigned in future games, the template looks bad. They're 'inspired' by the game design, rather than emulating it.
Secondly, the align tags need to be replaced. Content alignment (i.e. text and images) can be done with the "text-align" style (i.e. style="text-align:left/right/center;"), while table alignment can be done with the float style for left or right (i.e. style="float:left/right;") or the margin style for centering (i.e. style="margin:auto;"). This is important because the align tags are deprecated and only currently working on a backwards-compatability setup which could stop working at any time.
Other than those two minor things, nice work on the template. It's a nice code setup. Just don't be afraid to mess around with the styles from the game. Werdnae (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
How does it look now? I just wrapped that splash of green around the top, removed several of the old dividers leaving only one, and made it roundier! It doesn't really conform to the Bulbapedia style, but I think it looks pretty good. --Abcboy (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Much better. The code's good and the design's good. I'm going to need to discuss it with a few other staff and get back to you just for the content, because I don't know that much about the PWT. Werdnae (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
This is something I want to do to the Berry pages, along with moving the growth template to the growth section. Doing this would extremely reduce the size of the infobox. I need a little bit of help on the Generation IV one though... --Abcboy (talk) 00:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Language support templates

I was looking at Wikipedia and they have some nice language support templates such as Template:Nihongo, Template:Korean and Template:Zh. The Japanese one is particularly useful as it renders kanji properly. I was thinking on adding them to Bulbapedia but would like to know the staff's opinion on them. If they are accepted, I would ask Wikipedia for permission of usage of the templates here (please note that I do not have an account there) and try them out in my sandbox here first. What do you think? SatoMew 13:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, we already use the same code that those templates use to display the characters. It's an html attribute, lang="ja" ("ja" is replaced with "ko" or "zh" for the latter two templates). The reason that ours may appear distorted is that, depending on where they are used, the characters are subsequently bolded and/or reduced in size. I have noticed that it becomes very difficult to read in templates where both are done. In short, I don't think we need the template as we (should) already use the relevant code that it contains. If there's somewhere the language code isn't used, it most certainly should be, and you're welcome to add it: <span lang="ja">Kanji goes here</span> Werdnae (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, correction, it appears that we're certainly not using that code everywhere. I know for certain that some templates do. Werdnae (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, I don't like them solely for the proper rendering of kanji. It's also because the templates help to standardize the way the Japanese/Korean/Chinese names should appear on articles. They also have the parameters lead=yes and lead=no, which allows the reader to know which written non-English language is he/she reading, with that element being present in the first instance of the language only. It also helps in situations when there's no English equivalent to the Japanese/Korean/Chinese name, allowing the text to appear differently ordered to accomodate the situation. SatoMew 19:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm still not sure it's necessary. The usage of Japanese text is pretty much standardised already, with an identification. (i.e. the opening lines of the articles.) I can see where you're coming from, I just don't know if we need it, when things are hardcoded in a relatively (I would hope) similar manner. Werdnae (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, I understand your point of view but please reconsider. It may be awkward at first but these specific templates help once we get used to them. At least, that's how I feel about them. SatoMew 14:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Infobox game update

I've tweaked and added some parameters to it as per feedback on the template's talk page as well as from my own ideas. Check the modified template here and some tests with it here. Basically, I did the following:

  • Changed info in Basic info to information to be more professional and encyclopedic;
  • Changed OFLC to ACB in the Ratings since the ratings were of the ACB, which was previously called OFLC, and also due to there being confusion over the independent OFLC from New Zealand. Furthermore, the OFLC from New Zealand is irrelevant as the Pokémon games released there are under control of Nintendo of Australia, the subsidiary of Nintendo for both Australia and New Zealand. Thus, the ratings for the games in these two countries are as per the ACB;
  • Added the parameter for the OSK rating, which is the German rating system and is applicable to the Pokémon games;
  • Added parameters to include the translations of Japanese names under the Japanese name, in smaller text (same size as Japanese text);
  • Added other essential parameters about the games;
  • Renamed various parameters, rendering the previous names obsolete and current usage of the template broken;
  • Added "N/A" as fallback text for everything, for the sake of simplicity, consistency and to avoid showing the parameters themselves if there is a need to fallback to them.

Either way, wherever the template is used, those applications of it have to be updated. Still, what do you think? I believe it makes the template more accurate and complete now. SatoMew 20:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I don't suppose you'd be able to replace the align tags as described a couple of sections up? Werdnae (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I've replaced the align tags as you suggested, since they are deprecated. I have also changed the template's default colors to match Bulbapedia (damn, that black and white sure were not that good-looking) and streamlined the code, with suggestions and help from Abcboy (see here).
Thanks, nice work. I pulled out a few of them that were carried over redundant tags from the old template (and a few due to minor changes in what the tags cover) and then put it into use. Werdnae (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad you liked it. But please protect the template page! I'm sure it was an oversight. SatoMew 20:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the bother

Who do we talk to these days about checking new user IP's? Since I haven't been around much lately, I'm not sure which admin usually does what now. R.A. Hunter Blade 15:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Anyone at Admin level or above can check IPs. There's not really one designated person who does it. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 16:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. Okay. I noticed a pattern in a lot of new usernames from the past few days, and as I'm going down the list, I've found about 70 from the past 8 days... didn't realize it went on this far. Names like AldocrjkpohdhrArvidson, DelmarlkcbffxubiDess, AdriansseedyjwjnRosander, YasukokehplwkzlmCurren, etc. It might not be worth trying to go through and block all of the names if there end up being a couple hundred of them, but I felt it needed to be brought up if it wasn't already known. It looks like most of them are getting ignored by people welcoming users, so I'm not the only one who's noticed. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
And now that I'm looking around a lot more, I see that other people have already mentioned it to a couple of you. Whoops. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the names, they're almost certainly spambots. Fortunately, most spambots try to create pages or userpages, and so are foiled by our autoconfirm requirements. Werdnae (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

LevelV template.

Could you do that for other generations? Because movesets liked to change also in other generations. Some, like Mewtwo's or Medicham's could use that for Generation III. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe they already drafted somewhere, it's just a matter of getting them cleared by everyone and implementing them, and since I haven't had time I haven't pushed the matter. --Spriteit (talk) 10:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Here's my initial draft from a while back. I haven't had the time to complete it. If I'm remembering correctly, I also came across something that was going to be an issue for that template, but I don't recall exactly what that was. I know there were several possible solutions, and I think Kogoro built another prototype. Long story short, we're working on it, but it has come across a few issues, along with not being a priority. Werdnae (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I felt liked doing it. I borrowed your template, copied onto userpage the header from mainspace and modified it, and this is result (well, obviously that "Header." text will be removed). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC) PS. And.... done, I think. You might want to check the templates if there is something to correct (still not sure if use RGB and Y or RB and Y in Generation I template), though. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Wiki code

You seem to be the correct person to ask...

On anime pokemon move templates such as this:

  • Poison Gas was used in the dub only. In the original Japanese version, Ash just said Muk's name, Betbeton.

I tried to to take the note at the bottom and put it into the actual template, using tt|*| next to Poison Gas, in order to make it look neater howevr it comes out like this

is their anyway the template can be changed so that we can put the tt|*| inside it? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 16:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding a tooltip onto a parameter which autolinks will never work like that, because it's inside the link. The template needs the notes to be in parameter 4, which is alternate text and so can handle the tooltip template.
Also, if a proposed usage of a template is broken, please don't save it as-is. Saving a broken template usage is likely to create other problems. Instead, put it inside comment tags, and people that want to see the problem can remove them and preview. Werdnae (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


What do you think of this? I can't really think of a way to compress it further. Also, congrats on your promotion. --Abcboy (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. And I'd suggest adding a column to the template for floors. I'd imagine that, especially in the larger dungeons, the available items might change depending on how far into them you are. I know that's the case for the other MD games. Werdnae (talk) 08:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I've added the needed parameter. Perhaps the template could be used on all dungeons instead of just Magnagate ones. Also, your page needs a bit of updating and protection. --Abcboy (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd prefer the floor parameter to display all the time. Otherwise it's unclear whether it is on all the floors or we just don't know the floors. The second line of the footer is a bit of a cop-out in that regard - either we know, or we don't. "seems" doesn't fit. Agreed that it would be on all the dungeons. I also think that we'd be better off including Poke in a row of the table, rather than a footnote. Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Does Pokédex for iOS deserve an article? It's been out for a month in Japan, and was recently released in the US and Europe. No idea about Australia and New Zaeland though. --Abcboy (talk) 05:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
As an official app, I would say yes. Also, as you may have noticed, I moved that template. Nice work on it, it's simple but effective. Werdnae (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


You've deserved this. A sincere congratulations to you, my fellow Kiwi. If you need a hand with anything, let me know. I've got some spare time these days. (Except for the rest of this week coz I'm going to Wellington. You should totally skip town and come join me. It'll be rad.) —darklordtrom 10:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks trom. Have fun in Wellywood. Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Congrats, my friend!

Well, since I can't see a section on here for this, I figured I would be the one to officially start one. Congratulations on the well-deserved and well-earned promotion to EiC. As one of the people on here who knew you way back when you were a Jr. Admin., I can say that I can't think of anyone else who has put as much hard work into the 'pedia, or who I would rather have in the job. You have been a kind and helpful mentor to many people on here (including me), so I just wanted to say thank you for that. Your leadership skills and dedication are what have brought you thus far, and I look forward to seeing how the 'pedia prospers under your guidance. Although I do not get the chance to edit as much as I would like to nowadays (business and responsibilities IRL), know that I have always been, and will always be, your friend. Should you need anything, you have but to ask. --ジェダイナイトディーティーブイ 19:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Werdnae (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


Could you add more information to the page Pokémon Conquest and related articles, please. Also, there isn't much information on Pokémon pages about the kingdoms where you can find them and I've seen a few pages conflict with one another. In the Sneasel page, it says Sneasel can be found in Nixtorm, but in the Nixtorm page, Sneasel isn't mentioned at all. - unsigned comment from Plusleminun311312 (talkcontribs)

Bulbapedia is a wiki, information is added by many of our users, not just staff. I don't have the info you're looking for in order to add it. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Image thing

Hey Werdnae, sorry to bother you but this is bugging me, long story short whenever I try to view or use a:File:PMBW01.png on an article (such as PMBW01), it shows a different image that used to be at that name, but was moved. I tried in different browsers, different computers, I tried clearing the cache, it's still messed up. Can you figure out why it's broken for me :( thanks!!! (hope you understand what I mean and I don't look silly XD) --ZestyCactus 22:37, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it's okay to me. I'm guesing that it just took a little time until the CDN synced the images. It usually happens quickly, but depending on load may take closer to 24 hours. Werdnae (talk)
That is so weird. Here's how it looks to me: [1] --ZestyCactus 05:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
It's the same for me, seems the CDN didn't properly update for all regions. It will be fixed soon. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, a regional thing. IIRC that has happened once or twice before, where updates on one or more servers are delayed relative to the others. Thanks for taking care of it Kogsie. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay, cool. Thank you both :) --ZestyCactus 02:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Just so y'all know, it's fixed for me :D --ZestyCactus 02:55, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

B2W2 autoconfirmed protection

It's been several months since B2W2 came out, and several B2W2 articles (Strange House‎, Relic Passage‎, Clay Tunnel‎, Cave of Being, and Pledge Grove) are still protected from non-autoconfirmed users. Several B2W2 redirects (Banjirou‎, Heart Cave‎, Relic Path, Stranger House‎, Clay Road‎, and Oath Woods‎) are also still protected from non-autoconfirmed users. Were they forgotten? --Abcboy (talk) 02:35, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it. I'd assumed that all the B2W2 protections were set to expire shortly after release, but looks like a few were set to infinite length by mistake. Werdnae (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

King of Almia page

Is there anybody on Project Sidegames who is watching the "King of Almia and the Three Princes" page? There are about three unanswered questions on the talk page. Aggron989 (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

New Idea

Hey, I was wondering if I could talk to you about adding a relationship section to the prominent characters of the series. --Firered16 (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Werdnae's away at the moment, but he gave me permission to respond to you in his stead. We feel relationship sections are not needed on character articles, as more than likely it will only lead to problems because of Shipping. Also, relatives are already mentioned in the infobox on articles. If you'd like to go in-depth about interactions between characters, then your attention is better suited for the shipping articles. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 04:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That wasn't what I meant. What I'm trying to suggest is adding short summaries of some of the characters interactions, and for the shippings we'd just leave a link. It'd probably be easier if I showed you an example, so with your permission can I do it on Iris or Trip? --Firered16 (talk) 15:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That kind of information should be worked into the "Character" section, as their interactions with other people are a significant part of their character. It shouldn't need to go overly specific, just their general behaviour towards other people and anything markedly different. Looking at Trip's page, it appears this is already the case: specifically the second and fourth paragraphs of the Character section. Shippings should not be included there unless they are specifically stated in canon. Werdnae (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Your kinda misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I'm referring to interactions that don't have any shippings, like with Iris and Cynthia or Georgia and Burgundy. I'll show you what I mean if you let me try it for Iris. --Firered16 (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I know what you're meaning. What I'm saying is I don't want a list. The behaviour that is underlying the interactions should be included in the character section without the need to list. Important events should be included in the history section. We have existing places to put that information. We don't need to duplicate it. Werdnae (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

"Sighs" fine, then how about a battle record for the site then? You know, somethings similar to what's on the full battle page? --Firered16 (talk) 06:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for you suggestion Werdane on Crystal's talkpage. I will check the spam folder.Minor Notes (talk) 23:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Remember me?

Yes, it is I, your biggest fan, and I'm back. I always knew you would make the job, and good job. I love this place, and hope to be a help.

Cam ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:22, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Random question

Hi Werdnae :) sorry to bother you with this, but Umeko never writes me back so I thought it was best to come to you. I was wondering if you think this article, which I've worked on in my user space, was worth it for a mainspace article. My explanation is in the user message on the article. I'd appreciate your feedback. (I'm scared to just make the decision myself since I feel I don't have that much authority over Music, since while I do contribute to the project, idk, I feel like it's not my place XD) thanks again :) --ZestyCactus 17:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Music articles aren't my expertise, but would it be plausible to make it a proper section on the existing page? Neither of them really have that much info, so they might be better together? You've got more experience with those articles, so I'll trust your judgement on it, whatever you decide is better. Werdnae (talk) 05:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Disambig pages

What is the rule for disambiguation pages? I know that Pokémon receive them. PattyMan 05:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon get disabmigs at X (Disambiguation) because there's already a lot of stuff to fit at the top of their page and the species names redirect there. Otherwise, it's just whether one is significantly more important than the other (Also, English names always trump Japanese names) or they're equal importance. If there's numerous things, then it might get a disambig, if there's just a few and the 'main' article is small then a note at the top is easier. There's no real hard and fast rule, it's more of a 'is this working?' and 'what are people more likely to be looking for?'. Werdnae (talk) 06:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Userspace Editing

I know I must seem like quite a newbie posting this, but, I just don't understand this. I swear,I edited my Userspace twice yesterday, and twice today, I'm confused.

PokefanR (talk) 04:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

We use the wiki's UTC clock to check the days, and there are five edits in one day here. Make sure that you're clicking preview and not save when you want to check your page, and edit the whole page at once with the edit tab at the very top, rather than editing each section one at a time - every time you click the save button counts as an edit, rather than every set of changes you want to make. Werdnae (talk) 06:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


First of all, sorry if I'm talking to the wrong person, as far as the Bulbapedia hierarchy goes you seem pretty high so I thought I'd start here... Basically I wanted to do a small information design project about pokemon types but discovered that the breakdown the types into percentages adds up to about 146%. Is there incorrect information or am I being a complete dope?


Edit: I was forgetting, cheers man. I'm off to buy a brain.

Matthauke (talk) 22:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Matthauke (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing that you're forgetting about dual-typed Pokémon. Because of them, the "This percent of Pokémon are XXX type" will always add to more than 100, because you're counting some twice. Werdnae (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Userspace permission

Small non-urgent question. I haven't been able to edit my userspace for years now it would seem, except I have been able to in the past. I don't remember any notification that my rights were removed (and I only edited it once a day, not to mention that was years ago). Can I know why I don't have the right and possibly how to fix that? Is it just a certain number of mainspace edits we need now? I'm mostly concerned about fixing way outdated information such as age. Thank you!

update: Seems to be resolved now. Ratikate (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

My small update batch to Infobox game

Why was it reverted and when will it be readded? SatoMew 22:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

It was reverted because I screwed up. I should have done a few things that I didn't, and in hindsight didn't read what you were telling me either. The most urgent issue was that the parameters were changed, which is generally a bad idea as it breaks the pages until they can be fixed. There were a few other things that some people weren't sure about, so I'll need to talk to other staff about it some more. Werdnae (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Marked +-+-+/Learnlist templates

You* (or someone else... except Snorlax since he seems busy or something) may want to do something with this (because I have no idea what to do with it now, minus fixing any errors and incompatibilities with what we have, that could sneak in) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Thanks for making the rest of them. Werdnae (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

New page

I noticed that there is more information about Liberate the Tower! than Operation Brighton from Pokémon Ranger:Shadows of Almia on Bulbapedia. This doesn't seem right to me. Is it important enough that I can create an article about it? It's a kind of obscure subject, so I thought I should ask somebody on Project Sidegames first. AGGRON989 19:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ranger Net missions get sections because they aren't part of the core game. Information on Operation Brighton goes in the plot section of the SoA article. The ranger net plot can't go there because it's separate, so it gets a section elsewhere. It might look like there's more info on Liberate the Tower than on Operation Brighton, but that's just because it's separate from the rest. There's actually a lot more info on Operation Brighton (the majority of the final paragraph of the plot section) than Liberate the tower (one sentence in its own section). The rest is just about the Darkrai once it gets to the main series games. The information on Operation Brighton is better suited to the plot section of the game page than its own article. Werdnae (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Project Picture

Hi Werdnae, Can I please make a project that make good quality images and put them on pages? I noticed that there are a lot of old images or low resolution images that needs to be replaced. Thanks! Agent5514 (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

That is what the Archives are. Werdnae (talk) 02:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Taking in game pictures

Hi again Werdnae, how do you take a picture of a bird's eye view of a Pokemon route or a Pokemon city like the ones used on Bulbapedia? Thanks. Agent5514 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

  1. Don't delete comments from talk pages.
  2. If I knew that, don't you think I'd have already done that for the ones we don't have?. Werdnae (talk) 09:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)