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:If it "might", then it also might not... It sounds to me like you want to comment on rumor, and that has no place here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

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VIZ Media

Hi there! Thank you for your much-needed help on the revamp of the Pokémon Tales books. In the future, please remember to type VIZ Media as such and not as "Viz Media" as the caps is our preferred spelling method. Thank you! --ZestyCactus 19:59, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Roger. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Categories

When creating a new category, don't forget to still categorise the category. Thank you :) --ZestyCactus 21:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I saw that and will do so when I recreate them under the new names. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:52, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

translation stuff

Do you know the translation for the words, 南海カント and フギ? As for the former, 南 in this case has なん and 海 has カい. PattyMan 05:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I was able to get フギ down actually. Do you know まえをピ's translation? PattyMan 03:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
I was trying to look those up myself to be sure, but other things I've been trying to do today have conspired against my success in that matter. I did figure out quickly enough that the name (フギ) is actually Nagi (ナギ). The 南海カント I'm not real sure about and haven't found just yet, but if you could just tell me where it is, I shouldn't have too much trouble with it. Likewise for まえをピ. Context can help a lot (especially if what you give me might actually be incomplete or something =P ). I've got the manga*, so just tell me the chapter and/or page.
Hope you've had a merry Christmas, or day off or whatever. ^^ Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
南海カント was in Pokémon Battrio manga and まえをピ was in PPM. But still, good thing you have Gotta Catch 'Em All, there are some more characters that need their names uncovered. I too wish you Happy Holidays and early new year. PattyMan 03:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Well then, 南海カント is just a guy's name in Battrio, not really needing a coherent translation. It's Nankai Kanto. The last name (Nankai) means "South/ern Sea" and the first name is surely a pun on Kanto (the land is actually spelled with a long 'o': ō; Nankai's first name is not)). I don't remember if I actually have Anakubo's manga, or how much...is まえをピ in the first series, or one of the later ones (Gen 3+)? And what volume? Maybe I can find it...because まえをピ all by itself has no sense. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
I got まえをピ in chapter 39, volume 6. It is located next to 名 (which is name) in the line he is introducing himself. PattyMan 04:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Pippi ends his lines with ピ, so that part's entirely empty of any significance. まえ is not a separate word from 名, it's just a case of "spelling" out one part of a word rather than using a mildly complicated kanji (in a kids' manga). Pippi's whole line just means, "How do you know our names?" Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Vivillon locations page

I've a few names of Korean locations from my game that I can confirm for your Vivillon page. Would you rather me put them on the talk page or edit it myself? Glik (talk) 04:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

You can go ahead and edit those. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

hey tiddlywinks, i have posted message in the respective talk page in case you have missed -Mew Jadester-tp- 13:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Props

For the record, those are the official names the games use for those items, so they are not an example of your reasoning against Ariel's. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:09, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm well aware they're official. But the points were not related, not for me anyway.
I held up props to counter the statement "Listing Japanese names is common", not "Listing Japanese names is common when there are no official names". My point was that there are lots of props, yet nowhere are their Japanese names listed; if it were so common, they should be, but since they're not, I really don't think they're needed for the natural objects.
Further, if the natural objects don't have official names, I don't know any strong argument that the unofficial Japanese names are necessarily worth listing at all. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Those Japanese names for the natural objects are the official Japanese names from the official Japanese guide book. I helped SnorlaxMonster compile the information for that page, and bluesun provided SnorlaxMonster the names from the guidebook. Lady Ariel 19:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Without seeing them for myself, I'll have to doubt that they're official "names". They might be what was officially written to describe them, but they don't look terribly like "names". (Even if they're perhaps labeled as "names" in the book, I'd still consider them dumb "names", or "name" a bad "name"...)
In any case, "official" or not, I still do not admit that they're worth enough to include, especially not in the table like that where they're just annoying clutter. I could make it look better, or they could be thrown in elsewhere perhaps...but for now I'm sticking with: "they're not worth including". That is what I believe. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
By the way, if it helps the column listing them was just headed '自然物', with nothing to say 'these are explicitly names' or 'these are explicitly descriptions'. On reflection, they certainly do seem to be just ordinary descriptions... Bluesun (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Move translations

Whenever you change a translation of a specific move, you must make sure that all the cards using that specific translation are also changed to reflect the new translation. Consistency within the wiki is important because if we don't have consistency, we begin to look sloppy. The card page has since been modified, but please keep this in mind if you change any additional move translations. MaverickNate 02:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh. That absolutely never occurred to me... I'll remember it, then. Tiddlywinks (talk) 09:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

"True Double Battle" term

(For the Multi Battle page): I understand that official terms are more relevant, but fan terms merit mention as well (as the Happiness and Forces of Nature (Kami trio) articles currently show in their introductory paragraphs, as well as "Shiny Pokémon" (when "alternate coloration" was more or less the official term) prior to "Shiny Pokemon" receiving official usage, not to mention the whole issue with mentioning "effort values" as a fan term for "base stats" (a term which has received a different official use). As for my usage of the term "occasional", I'm not sure of how much usage of a term designates it as a 'popular' term for general Bulbapedia standards (with the Bulbapedia Manual of Style mentioning that "alternate" and "popular" names can also be used)... Essentially, I've seen the term "True Double Battle" (when referring to Multi Battles) as much as I've seen "Cloud Trio" used to refer the Kami Trio - as in, not much (although "Cloud Trio" still manages to receive a mention on the "Forces of Nature" page despite how little I've seen it used). If Google searching counts for anything, "True Double Battle" has still received some usage on some FAQs, forums, and websites themed around Pokémon. A general search for "Cloud trio" yields a lot of non-Pokémon results, and specifying in regards to Pokémon doesn't bring up as much as other "Forces of Nature"-related fan terms, from how I see it... Fenyx4 (talk) 04:43, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Fan terms may be useful where the official term has been fuzzy (this is most true for effort values/bast stats, of the things you mentioned). I'm not sure Tag/Multi Battle was always clear, but on the other hand, "True Double Battle" is hardly very clear either. In any case, if you really want to press it, you'd do better to ask a staff member of some stripe. All I actually did was say (and act on) what I personally felt. (I didn't feel the comment was integrated very well, either.) A staff member may reveal that you have the right of it better than I. Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Aerial Ace

Do you know if ツバメしだ translates to Aerial Ace's Japanese name because when I looked it up, it kept on showing me this --> つばめがえし. Not sure if they are the same or if it was true so leaving it to you to decide as Japanese isn't my forte. PattyMan 04:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

The at the end of your line is extraneous, but yeah, ツバメ is entirely equivalent to つばめがえし; it is indeed Aerial Ace (or should be). Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon Crystal mistakes

Hi! I noticed you undid the "Mistakes" sections that I added to Pokémon Crystal. Can you work out with me where to put those things then? (Because they deserve to be noted.) --Dr. James (tell me) 20:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

You can probably add the first one back so long as you just avoid linking to an off-site image. That means either uploading it to the archives or maybe using this: ・・・ (code: <small><small>・・・</small></small>; it's a bit of a hack, but at least it looks about right...though I wish I knew how to make it look like it looks between the code tags). The other thing looks like it'd be better as Trivia for the Burned Tower, since it's not really about Crystal in general. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I've done exactly that. --Dr. James (tell me) 22:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Moves

I compiled a list of moves on my userpage incase you are interested. PattyMan 04:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't generally concern myself about that particular flavor of minutiae, so I won't be adding to the list if that's what you meant. If you were looking for confirmation of anything like in previous instances, I don't see anything that apparently needs it... Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you spellcheck this Chart please?

So I noticed you have so pretty good chart programming skills it seems. I am not too good with code, so I was wondering if you could give this chart a look over to see if I did it correctly?

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Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png 4 8 16 16 16 12 12 12 16 16
Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png 8 4 16 16 16 12 12 12 16 16
Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png 16 16 12 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png 16 16 32 12 32 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png 16 16 32 32 12 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png 12 12 32 32 32 8 16 16 32 32
Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png 12 12 32 32 32 16 8 16 32 32
Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png 12 12 32 32 32 16 16 8 32 32
Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png 16 16 32 32 32 32 32 32 12 32
Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png 16 16 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 12

Its a chart showing the out come of two red berried when mixed at the Juice Shoppe in Lumiose City. I more or less used the type-match up chart as a template...so I am not sure if I could or should have done something to make it better.

My hope is to make charts for each color berryYamitora1 (talk) 02:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I made some changes directly to the chart (you can see them in the diff). Mostly just to cut down on needless repitition. But I think you might want to put links on the images, so people can click them to see how they can get them. Just look at Cheri and copy that form to the others. I do wish there was a bit of a better option, but from looking at that table, I can't figure out anything...more concise, I guess. And if that's the case, then yeah, it looks pretty nice.
I would kind of hope that different colors would fall into the same pattern and you wouldn't really need a table for each color... Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much, yeah that would be nice for me too but I fear that can't happen due to the complexity of it. I tried making a large table with all 50+ berries and it was too much of a monster.
All these berries and their match-ups are pretty much based on their line up within the bag sorted by berry type. So if the other color berries do fall into the same pattern, that will help some.
By the way, what do you think about assigning each value its own shade, with the higher values being darker in shade? Yamitora1 (talk) 05:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
That might be nice if there was one particular special value, or if the berries didn't already have a red background, or if it was a very clear and steady pattern, but in this case I don't think it'd work out all that well. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't there there is a pattern really, just when you think one is emerging, it sinks.
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Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png 4 16 12 12 12 16
Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png 16 12 32 32 32 32
Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png 12 32 8 16 16 32
Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png 12 32 16 8 16 32
Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png 12 32 16 16 8 32
Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 32 12

Here is the purple berry version, again it follows the layout of how the berries show up in the bag sorted by type.
the uneven number of each type of berry is also going cause problems. There are 10 red berries to mix, and only 6 Purple berries. There is also 7 blue berries, 10 green berries, 5 pink berries and 10 yellow berries. It's going be hard to show the info in a even flowing way.
The best way I can think of doing it is having all the berries with 10 berries in their group in one column and all the berries with 5-7 berries in their group in the second column.

Something like...

10-7

10-6

10-5

(Red)(Blue)

(Green)(Purple)

(Yellow)(Pink)

or something to that nature at least. Yamitora1 (talk) 06:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

There is a pattern. From the data so far (mixing Berries of the same color), it comes out like this...
Groups Mixing results
Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Same color Different colors
Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png Red Juice Lansat+Starf: Rare Soda
Kee+Maranga: Perilous Soup

other: Colorful Shake
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png Purple Juice
Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png Pink Juice
Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png Green Juice
Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png Yellow Juice
Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png Blue Juice
Mixing two of the same Berry (<Color> Juice, EVs)
+EVs
Group 1 4
Group 2 8
Group 3 12
Mixing different Berries of the same color (<Color> Juice, EVs)
Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
Group 1 8 16 12
Group 2 16 16 32
Group 3 12 32 32
Mixing two different-colored Berries (Colorful Shake, happiness)
Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
Group 1 really really extremely
Group 2 really extremely extremely
Group 3 extremely extremely extremely
I also fixed this up as a way to show it in one table, which might be especially useful if those groups don't hold up so well when colors start getting mixed (i.e., if mixing, for example, Cheri and Chesto gets a different result than mixing Leppa and Chesto). If that happens, then you could just create a second table with different groups in it (or tables, or whatever you need).
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Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png
Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png
Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png
Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png
Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Same Berry: 4
Same color: 8
Different colors: really
Same color: 12
Different colors: really
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png
Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png
Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png
Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png
Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png
Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png
Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png
Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png
Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png
Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png
Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png
Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png
Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png
Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png
Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png
Same color: 12
Different colors: really
Same Berry: 8
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png
Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png
Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png
Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png
Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png
Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png
Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png
Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png
Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png
Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png
Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png
Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png
Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png
Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png
Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png
Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png
Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png
Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
Same Berry: 12
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
The first way is a little simpler to edit (since you're only putting the Berries in one place), but the second way makes it harder for people to look at the wrong table. I'd probably have to favor the latter a little bit. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Well it looks like that chart would have worked, but the Pink berries look like they might throw a wrench in those clock works.
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Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png 4 12 16 16 16
Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png 12 8 32 32 32
Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png 16 32 12 32 32
Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 12 32
Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 12

In a way, the Pecha Berry is the pink counterpart to the Cheri and Chesto berry, making it part of group 1, but it also has group 2 characteristics if I am reading this correctly.

I'll have the data for the blue berries soon, and then I will take on the Yellow and Green berries and we'll have all the data. My biggest fear is the different colors data, that's going take days to get done. I mixed every berry with the Roseli Berry one day, took over a hour to do so, and with there being 50 berries, that comes out to at least 55 min man hours of testing and soft resetting. @n@

But hopefully once we have all the berry data, at least for same color berries, we will have a better idea of how to present the data. Yamitora1 (talk) 00:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I added the pink Berries above. They fit fine. Which version were you trying to read that you thought it wouldn't fit?
Technically, every Berry you do means you don't have to mix that Berry again, so you should only need roughly half that time. And the bare minimum would probably be something like, check one Berry from each combination of group+color against another Berry from another of those combinations, so that'd be even less. Picking out a few Berries to search completely (again, minus pairs already mixed, like Roseli) would increase confidence in the overall pattern if they fit the pattern wholly.
Do you still have that full Roselia data, though? It'd be nice to be able to look at that and see if it'll fit easily into the current pattern or if there's something a bit more complex underlying these groups (or if it's altogether different). Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png 16 12 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png 12 32 8 16 16 32 32
Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png 12 32 16 8 16 32 32
Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png 12 32 16 16 8 32 32
Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 32 12 32
Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 32 32 12

I guess I just am not good with charts. But yeah, come to think of it I will not have to do as much work in the end after all..also I recorded no data for the Roseli berry...I was trying to get Ultra Rare Soda. A guide lists it as a ingredient for Ultra Rare Soda. My guess is its a berry not yet released. So with that said, I will have to once again mix it with every berry, minus the pink berries to see the effect. lol luckly I will only have to mix every color of berry minus itself up until I get to green. It'll probably take only a few hours if that.

Anyways, there's the blue berry data. I will tackle Green here shortly (taking a bit of a break) and then work on Yellow likely sometime tomorrow. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

there are 6 color of berries, what if we make the chart where 3 colors are on the top and left, and 3 on the bottom and right. Also, I am testing Colorful shakes, it seems there are only two effects, really happy, and extremely happy.
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Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png really happy now! really happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!
Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!
Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png really happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!
Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png really happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!
Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png really happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!
Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now! extremely happy now!

its not complete, but so far that's the gist of what I am coming up with, not sure if its enough to fill in the chart. Yamitora1 (talk) 02:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I might be wrong, but I think the Gen IV flavor levels might be a way to indicate a berries power when mixed with another berry. anyways, working on green berries now Yamitora1 (talk) 06:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png 12 8 32 32 16 16 16 16 32 32
Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png 16 32 12 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 12 32 32 32 32 32 32
Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png 12 16 32 32 8 16 16 16 32 32
Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png 12 16 32 32 16 8 16 16 32 32
Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png 12 16 32 32 16 16 8 16 32 32
Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png 12 16 32 32 16 16 16 8 32 32
Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 12 32
Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png 16 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 12

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Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png 8
Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png 12
Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png 12
Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png 12
Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png 8
Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png 8
Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png 8
Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png 8
Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png 12

Here is the chart for the green berries, and the start of the yellow chart. I am not sure, but from what I can tell from your chart, I don't need to complete the yellow chart, just mix the same berry for each yellow berry to find out which group it would be in...am I correct? Yamitora1 (talk) 11:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right, the result of mixing a Berry with itself should give you its group. I added the new colors and the Colorful data to both sets of charts. (I switched Groups 2 and 3 as that shows a steady increase.) The Colorful Shake appears to fall into the pattern, so it would just be nice now to get confirmation on each remaining unique Group/Color combination (e.g., you don't need to worry about mixing both Cheri and Leppa with other Berries, just check one of them).
Putting three of the colors on the top of the second chart and three on the bottom looks rather neat, but unfortunately it also seems to imply that you can mix something from the left with something from the right (or from the top with the bottom). In any case, I didn't realize how different the Colorful Shake (increasing happiness) was from the <Color> Juices (increasing EVs), so considering that, I'm now partial to using separate charts like in the first set, rather than mixing such different information in the same chart. I also expanded the groups table so that I think it'll make it easier to keep track of what you're trying to mix.
I'm thinking that when we can (mostly?) confirm the Colorful Shake results, it'll be better to just put the Juice Shoppe on its own page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah...I'm not sure what Gen IV flavors you're referring to, but I don't see any reliable pattern in the red Berries. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
After several trials with different color/group berries using the chart as a map, I've found that the colorful shake level is correct. Follow the chart, and it will result in the same Colorful Shake level as seen in the chart.
As for difference in Colorful Shake level, that unfortunately can not be measured unless you buy from the man. I did a soft reset, he had colorful shake for 2,400 and then a other soft reset he had one for 4,500 both made the drinker "extremely happy now!" so if a person is tracking happiness growth, mixing your own berries isn't the best way to do so.
Also, I think the green berries should be next to the red berries, and blue berries after the green berries, RGB.
On the Gen IV flavor thing, I guess I was so tired I was seeing patterns not there...so ignore it lol. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Rather than some arbitrary order, I prefer a reason I can point to, like the order that the colors appear in a list of Berries. So I actually shifted the Blue Berries to the end.
I think maybe it's time for me to finish a Gen VI game so I can finish off the friendship chart (and verify the proper values for the checker), including the Juice Shop stuff. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

if you have a few days you can beat, these games were rather sort.

Second Berry
Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png
Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png
Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png
Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png
Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png
Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png
Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png
Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png
Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png
Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
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Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png
Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.pngBag Rawst Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png
Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png
Same Berry: 4
Same color: 8
Different colors: really
Same color: 12
Different colors: really
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png
Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png
Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png
Same color: 12
Different colors: really
Same Berry: 8
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png
Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png
Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png
Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png
Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png
Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
Same color: 16
Different colors: extremely
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
Same Berry: 12
Same color: 32
Different colors: extremely
Exact Colorful Shake levels cannot be determined by mixing berries.

Also, what do you think about this chart?Yamitora1 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks pretty nice. I guess explicitly grouping the colors isn't strictly necessary, really.
Once I've got friendship values for the different Colorful mixes, I'll play with that and see if I still prefer a version that splits the charts that apply to different stuff. (Of course, the dirty secret is, <Color> Juices are also supposed to increase happiness if the Pokemon has max EVs already. In short, it could get interesting, once I've got all the data...) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I kind of do like the color seperation myself, I just wish there was a way to fill in that horrible negative space in the corner.
Also you are correct, max EV Pokémon do become happier with colored juices. In fact, I just mixed two Cheri berries and the result was "happy now" not really happy in fact, that seems to be the result for all the colored juices, even the group 3 berries so its possible all same colored juices result in the lowest level of happiness while mix results in higher. I know I'm happier with mix juice compared to juice from one fruit or (especially) vegetables lol.Yamitora1 (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

How does this chart look?

Berry Groups Mixing Results
1 2 3 Beverage Effect
Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png Red Juice Increases Attack EV by 4-32
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png Purple Juice Increases HP EV by 4-32
Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png Pink Juice Increases Speed EV by 4-32
Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png Green Juice Increases Sp.Def EV by 4-32
Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png Yellow Juice Increases Defense EV by 4-32
Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png Blue Juice Increases Sp.Atk EV by 4-32
Special Berry Mixes Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png + Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png Rare Soda Increases level by 3
Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png + Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png Perilous Soup Resets all EVs to 0
Same Color Mixes 1 2 3
1 4-8 16 12
2 16 8-16 32
3 12 32 12-32

I modified your first chart some, and input info from the other charts. Out of all the charts, I think this this relays the most info in the best organized way. Until we know the ins and outs of the Colorful Shake, I think we should leave it off the chart for the time being, or put it into its own chart. also, I'm not sure but I think the chart is messing with the text-orientation on here. Did I fail to close a code? Yamitora1 (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I definitely like the other gray color you added. If I use this form, I'll probably use those colors. But the "Same Color Mixes" part is very tacked on; it doesn't actually fit well like that. Part of me is also wondering what the best way/place to list the effects actually is. I'm not sure it's as part of the Berry groups/mixing chart since that's not the only way they're obtainable.
Yeah, you didn't close the bigger table that that first chart (and its companions) was actually in, and whose beginning you copied; I removed it. You can see that table explicitly if you replace style="margin:auto" above with style="margin:auto" border=1 and preview that on this page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I guess there is no sin in having multiple charts/menus to display vast amounts of info.
Berry Groups
1 2 3
Bag Cheri Berry Sprite.png Bag Leppa Berry Sprite.png Bag Occa Berry Sprite.png Bag Chople Berry Sprite.png Bag Haban Berry Sprite.png Bag Figy Berry Sprite.png Bag Pomeg Berry Sprite.png Bag Tamato Berry Sprite.png Bag Liechi Berry Sprite.png Bag Lansat Berry Sprite.png
Bag Chesto Berry Sprite.png Bag Payapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kasib Berry Sprite.png Bag Colbur Berry Sprite.png Bag Wiki Berry Sprite.png Bag Ganlon Berry Sprite.png
Bag Pecha Berry Sprite.png Bag Persim Berry Sprite.png Bag Mago Berry Sprite.png Bag Petaya Berry Sprite.png Bag Roseli Berry Sprite.png
Bag Rawst Berry Sprite.png Bag Lum Berry Sprite.png Bag Rindo Berry Sprite.png Bag Kebia Berry Sprite.png Bag Tanga Berry Sprite.png Bag Babiri Berry Sprite.png Bag Aguav Berry Sprite.png Bag Hondew Berry Sprite.png Bag Salac Berry Sprite.png Bag Starf Berry Sprite.png
Bag Aspear Berry Sprite.png Bag Sitrus Berry Sprite.png Bag Wacan Berry Sprite.png Bag Shuca Berry Sprite.png Bag Charti Berry Sprite.png Bag Chilan Berry Sprite.png Bag Iapapa Berry Sprite.png Bag Qualot Berry Sprite.png Bag Grepa Berry Sprite.png Bag Kee Berry Sprite.png
Bag Oran Berry Sprite.png Bag Passho Berry Sprite.png Bag Yache Berry Sprite.png Bag Coba Berry Sprite.png Bag Kelpsy Berry Sprite.png Bag Apicot Berry Sprite.png Bag Maranga Berry Sprite.png
These two charts are simple, but still rely a lot of info. Plus, regardless of what they can cover, the body of the article will usually have the same info no matter what. As long as we explain in the body of the article how groups are decided, how they work and other things, we won't need charts for everything, they'll just be the icing on the cake lol.
Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
Group 1 4-8 16 12
Group 2 16 8-16 32
Group 3 12 32 12-32
The Juice Shoppe section already pretty much covers what happens when you mix two berries and that you can buy the juices, so all we really have to focus on is educating people on berry groups and how to best maximize their homemade berry mixes to get the most out of their Juice Shoppe visits.
I am also wondering if and how much of this info should also be represented on the main berry article itself.
Also thanks, I love that steel color too, it really helps color up the table some, but keeps it within a color scheme if that makes sense lol.Yamitora1 (talk) 03:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Character Encodings

Very nicely done with Character encoding in Generation III. I'm quite pleased to see someone else working on hacking the game, as I myself kinda ran away from the text stuff once I encountered multi-byte characters. (-: For what it's worth, I'm fully in favor of splitting out the gen 1 and 2 articles provided there's enough content to support them. --GuyPerfect (talk) 23:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope I can keep at it, as my attention tends to split (and there's already several prominent things I want to work on). Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Technical issues with your talk page

I've noticed that on your talk page, the section header above this one is slightly further to the right than normal. I'm not sure exactly what's causing it (I tried previewing with |}, </span>, and </div>, but none of them did anything). I suggest you take a look at the tables above, because one of them hasn't closed something, and since I assume you intend to put them in the mainspace somewhere, you're going to need to fix whatever that problem is first (I don't have time to go through them all, but I understand that you're already familiar with them). --SnorlaxMonster 07:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, that would be my fault most likely. I am a novice at coding and only barely made those tables with what tech common sense I have. Yamitora1 (talk) 08:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
The problem was apparently a colon I used to try to indent a table above. For some reason, that produced the effect you saw; it "froze" the indent, which looks like a bug to me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Lucario in Pokémon-Amie sulking?

not sure if you've encountered this, but I found my Lucario facing sideways, he kind of looked like he was sulking. He got ko's but I revived him, so i am wondering if the two are related. I thought I would report this to you since you were working on the mon-amie page and mechanics. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to keep it in mind, but I may not bother looking into an outlier like that just in favor of pursuing a number of other, more solid projects. I figure if there's anything there, I can leave it to someone down the line. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
...On the other hand, I just happened to open Pokemon-Amie with Lucario and it was doing just that, standing sideways, and I had to tap to get its attention. I've done nothing but coddle it, and it's a sort of behavior I've seen with other Pokemon for random reasons (which is to say, trivial and uncertain ones), so...perhaps it could have happened because of the KOs, but even if so, it can definitely happen for other reasons as well. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh I see, well it would have been awesome/cute if Pokémon could sulk after a defeat. Regardless I feed and played with him to make him feel better so all is good in the end. Yamitora1 (talk) 23:19, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Recurring Items split

We'd like to see a finalized page for List of recurring items before any split were to happen. You mentioned having the code for the page already ready, so if you could create a userspace preparation page for it, it coud really speed the process along. MaverickNate 05:00, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I actually qualified that claim, but I do have some code... Well, for your edification, this is as far as I got some time ago. In several respects it's still quite a work in progress. For one particular, after seeing it again, I currently intend to strip the Berry names (text) from the RSE table of Berries and use the Bag3 template.
Of everything I suggested for splitting, this is probably the one I can most immediately get to a complete (as possible) state. Perhaps I'll set other things aside for a bit to try and do that, then... Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Generation I balancing issues

Sorry, I just was upset at having an edit conflict, and didn't notice what you did until after I saved. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 16:07, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Rain on Route 12

Can you tell me what day you saw rain on Route 12? As far as I know, it doesn't rain at all during the winter season in Unova games. And please make sure it wasn't a Tornadus summoned thunderstorm, as you were playing on Black. Jdthebud (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I put the date/time in the page. I already caught all the legendaries some time ago. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, good to know it was actual rain, and that it was March 28. I was a little confused because when you made the edit you said "today", which was April 28 and winter. I will investigate further on B2W2 as well. Jdthebud (talk) 22:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I actually have two DS's and I once set one of them back a month. So, interestingly, today, on the real-time one (April 28, "winter"), I actually am seeing rain on Route 12. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Did you reset the route? If you are outside when you save the game, the state will be the same whenever you turn it back on, but it should reset when you leave the route and return. I confirmed rain on Route 12 on March 28 in both BW and B2W2, but not April 28 (no weather today). Jdthebud (talk) 01:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
It's 21:03, April 28, in Pokemon White, and it's raining on Route 12 which I just biked into after flying to Lacunosa immediately after loading the game. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Awesome, you're right. BW has rain, but not B2W2 it seems. Route 12 (and maybe some others in the north end) seems to be one of the few (if not the only) common places that has weather differences between the two Gen V paired games. This is a lot more complicated than I thought it was. Nice catch, and thanks for clarifying. Jdthebud (talk)
Scratch that, B2W2 has rain on Route 12 today. Don't know why it didn't appear earlier, although it's likely I simply messed up with reloading the route/season. Sigh. Jdthebud (talk) 02:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Berry fields

I'm not going to revert you again because that would be edit warring, but if you start a discussion about a point, please actually wait a reasonable amount of time for a response instead of just doing it your way anyway. I know you're impatient, but please don't just assume that no response in a day or two equals an implicit approval. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't at all consider it "approval". It's nothing more than as you say: I'm impatient. As a matter of fact, I waited three days (more like, I just realized that three days had passed), and I think that's adequate time for someone to at least give a courtesy acknowledgement. Lacking that much, I can't help but think I can only rely on my own devices, and I consider Wikipedia a fair model to follow. If there's continued disagreement about the matter, maybe others will contribute to the discussion and bring it more attention. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Primeape

Why did you remove all of the romanizations and an entire word in the Origin section? My edit made it much more simple and easy to understand. ("Okorizaru may be a combo of these three Japanese words. Go ahead and try to pronounce it with these handy transliterations because you can't read Japanese.") Whenever we can transliterate a foreign language, we do. Plus, you justified your removal of an origin word (okotte) by saying "It's probably just ikari saru, despite the facts that ikari does not start with O and okotte is closely related to ikari"? If it's plausibly part of the Pokémon's origin, it goes in Origin. —TheVeryBest 05:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

While 怒り may be readable as 'ikari', that is by no means the only possible reading. 怒りん坊 does not read 'ikarinbou'; it reads 'okorinbou'. By the same token, I do not, as you say, suggest that 怒り猿 is 'ikarizaru' (or 'ikari saru'); rather, I suggest it reads the same as Primeape's name: 'okorizaru'.
The romanization could be repeated after 怒り猿 ("Okorizaru can be taken to be 怒り猿 okorizaru (angry monkey)"), and I wouldn't really be against that, but it is repetitive, so I decided not to at the time...
I don't actually see any reason to mention 'ikari' at all. 'Ikari' comes from the same kanji/spelling as 'okori' and "Okori" is the sound that's actually in Primeape's name... Every likelihood would suggest its name comes from 怒る befoe 怒り; 'ikari' simply is not necessary to explain Primeape's Japanese name origin. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Juice Shoppe Colorful shake blend

I've yet to test this, but I think we might be able to rough estimate the value of the shakes by using rare candies on an eevee. I noticed eevee tries to evolve after 37 rare candies have been given to it.

If we can find out the value rare candies add to friendship, we can use that to factor in the colorful shake's value.

what do you think? Yamitora1 (talk) 19:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I've been wanting to get a handle on friendship in X/Y once I got the opportunity. At the moment, I've only been through about half the gyms, though. (Of course, I'm probably well enough leveled to beat the Elite Four already, too.) It's just a matter of when I make the progress. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:06, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

here are a few results

colorful shake (2,200) + 29 rare candies = Evolution at lv 30

colorful shake (3,400) + 25 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 26

colorful shake (2,200) + Rare Soda (3 lvs) + 35 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 31

colorful shake (2,200) + blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Cheri Berry) + 21 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 22

colorful shake (2,200) + blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Chilan Berry) + 18 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 19

colorful shake (2,200) + blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Roseli Berry) + 18 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 19

colorful shake (2,200) + blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Ganlon Berry) + 18 Rare Candies = Evolution at lv 19

blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Cheri Berry) + 28 rare candies = Evolution at lv 29

blended colorful shake (Cheri Berry + Chilan Berry) + 31 rare candies = Evolution at lv 32

blended colorful shake (Chesto Berry + Chople Berry) + 31 rare candies = Evolution at lv 32

blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Chilan Berry) + 25 rare candies = Evolution at lv 26

blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Roseli Berry) + 25 rare candies = Evolution at lv 26

blended colorful shake (Starf Berry + Ganlon Berry) + 25 rare candies = Evolution at lv 26

Yamitora1 (talk) 19:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

i said might be out in event

Just as said in head line - unsigned comment from Pokemonfansuper (talkcontribs)

If it "might", then it also might not... It sounds to me like you want to comment on rumor, and that has no place here. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)