User talk:MannedTooth

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Remember, as a sort of soft guideline, try not to make lots of edits in a short span of time to the same page, especially to separate sections. Remember, you don't have to edit and save each individual section, you can always click to edit a higher section or the whole page so you can do it all together. It may get a bit more tedious, but it's basically a small bit of wiki etiquette. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I haven't seen your previous message on that subject! Sorry! :O I will stop saving every time I add something, I'll wait until I'm done! Again, thanks for the advice! I want to improve myself the best I can. :) MannedTooth (talk) 21:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Beside, are my new additions/edits (mostly to Television) are good? Iw ould like to know if I'm doing a great job and should continue, or if it's going to be deleted once again. :s MannedTooth (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I haven't dug around enough to give them a 100% verified seal of approval or anything =P , but it seems fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

A reminder... Please try not to make multiple tiny, repetitive edits to the same page... If you intend to look at something like Birch's evaluation quotes for a while on the same day, try just keeping track for yourself in a text file or something and just update the page here before you decide to go to bed. These things'll keep for that long at least. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha! Sorry I keep forgetting. :P MannedTooth (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Manga pages

Hi! It's great you're so eager to help, but let me say a few things real quick. =)

Mostly, our manga pages mostly have a pretty uniform format which don't include your additions like moves, items, and places. Personally, I'm not against moves and places perhaps, but items seems pretty close to trivial to me. At any rate, that sort of major change should perhaps be discussed somewhere first, such as Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga.

A couple other things:

• Please don't assume something, like you did with "Thunderbolt, Thunder or Thunder Wave (appears to be an electric move, not specified)"
• Debuts and such are usually listed in chronological order, not alphabetical.

I'm sorry to undo all you did on PS001, but perhaps you'd like to help with some of the other needful tasks in Project Manga. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, this is actually my first time joining a public wiki/encyclopedia. I should've been aware of the format already used. I was so happy to help that I couldn't help myself.

What shall I do? Wait for you to undo everything I have done or is some of the contents I am adding, such as places can still be added?

I am fully open to any advices or tutorials (I have read the manual of style) I want to contribute as much as possible. :) - unsigned comment from MannedTooth (talk • contribs)

Well, like I said, the Project Manga page can be a good place to start if you're into the manga.

Otherwise you may want to check out some of the other project pages, or just try to look around all the pages that need some sort of attention.

You can also try start a discussion on Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga to see if other people support additions like places and moves.

And one last thing: try to remember to sign your comments by typing 4 tildes (~) at the end. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Slowly getting used to the website. Slowly but surely. I will gladly look in the Project Manga ! MannedTooth (talk) 08:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Clarification

Regarding this revision, did you want me to write it on the page because I wrote on the edit summary of a previous revision of where I got Blue's Charmander's Ember from? PattyMan 02:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Not too sure about what to do, beside I can't understand the Japanese website you sent me. The only reason why I said that is because I have the book in my ahnd right now and it's not directly specified that this was the move he used. If you are certain of your sources and this was already been discussed in the past, I am in no right to argue with you. MannedTooth (talk) 02:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, there are at least a few moves not stated in Pokémon Adventures itself but on the site instead. Feel free to use the moves page to compare the ones on the Japanese website (don't worry about the other text) to the ones on Bulbapedia or ask a user who has full knowledge of the Japanese language. PattyMan 02:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk pages

Hi, just wanted to let you know that you should only use one talk page for your discussions, rather than making the same discussions on various talk page since it might come off as spam. Thank you.--ForceFire 04:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Are you talking about my recent section on Mom or my message about a new template? MannedTooth (talk) 04:11, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The new template. Just saw that you went to multiple talk pages saying the same thing (not literally, but still). Try just using one talk page, preferreably a user talk since the user will be notified of the message.--ForceFire 04:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay! :) MannedTooth (talk) 04:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Television

Why don't you let me finish up the ORAS TV shows? =)

I actually need to tweak some of your formats a bit, and there's actually text dumps that should make it a lot faster. Don't want you to have to waste time if I'm going to be trying to finish this up at the same time. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

If you want to do so, I guess I am in no position to refuse. Beside, that was a pretty tough and long job. x.x

I've looked at the dumps, and where/how can you find the TV's shows text? :O

MannedTooth (talk) 03:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

A good text search. =P Your file system probably has it more or less by default.

I'm realizing, you may also be able to help a bit when I've added it all by checking for missing line breaks. I can copy some of the ones you've already added, but the text dump itself ignores those, so unless I go through the shows myself, I'm not sure where they are... Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I found out how to get the text, I have the file opened up in front of me. But I didn't quite understand your last part, what do you want from me exactly? MannedTooth (talk) 03:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry about it then, I'll just make sure to check it myself.

On a different note, have you had Bunnelby at the start of your party or something? A few lines seem to have a variable Pokemon, so I'm wondering where that might come from exactly. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Nope, I've just started a new game. I currently have no Pokémon. MannedTooth (talk) 03:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

That's kind of interesting then, maybe it's a default. =P I'll check on that too, I guess. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay! :) I will advance in the games and add/correct quotes! :) But I do have a question, Is there any reason why there is no "Rival's Mother" page? I mean, it's a NPC from which we know a lot (husband name, son, etc.) and has quotes, it's a shame I have nowhere to insert them... MannedTooth (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

She doesn't do a lot. Her only notability comes from being related to notable characters, which isn't actually notable at all. =P Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I thought that the goal of the Project Character (and of Bulbapedia in general) was to have the most information on EVERY character that we know of? I mean, I will not start adding quotes from NPC we don't even have a clue of who they are, but as soon as we know at least one of their relatives and that they are part of the game's script itself, she should, in my opinion, be notable. MannedTooth (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Anything and everything is required to meet general notability requirements.

The long and short of it is: what do we know about her? She's Birch's wife: mention on his page he has a wife. She's the rival's mother: mention on his page that he has a mother. ...And what else is there really to say? (Quotes are not nearly enough to justify an article all by themselves.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I didn't mean Brendan/May's Mother in particular, I was talking about a "Rival's Mother" page since she's a recurrent character throughout the whole serie. There would be a section for every generation/game alongside with quotes, relatives (of that game) and anything notable that might come later on. Nah? MannedTooth (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Nah. =P As far as I remember, none of the other rivals' mothers are any more notable than Brendan/May's. A page whose primary substance is basically "all the rivals have mothers" still isn't notable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, to my eyes, she is equally notable to the player's mother, but you must be more experienced with what's notable or not. :P One last thing, in the bulbapedia notability requirements, it is stated that "All English and Japanese Pokémon canon material is notable and relevant." soo..... why isn't she? (I know I'm putting you through a tough time recently, but I love arguing and making things clear) MannedTooth (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that part really means to define a subject's (article's) notability.

If you consider that whole paragraph, I think it's basically trying to say that foreign language stuff is not as notable as Japanese and English stuff. Like a difference in a foreign translation would be secondary to the English and/or Japanese story. Or foreign terms go in a very separate section at the bottom. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Quotes

We don't want every random piece of dialogue in a game, only the dialgoue of specific, notable characters. glik^glak 17:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk page comments

It is entirely against Bulbapedia's talk page policy to alter or remove talk page comments. Please do not do this again. Thank you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

As I sent on your talk page, I was trying to delete my post entirely since I realized I shouldn't have started it out of "anger" in the first place, but the site won't let me. MannedTooth (talk) 07:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Link templates

All Pokémon species pages are at "Name (Pokémon)", so making links like [[Poliwhirl|Poli]] leads to redirects. The {{p}} template is for easy linking. Checking out the list of link templates is also a good idea. glik^glak 19:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I know that, but as I sent you on your talk page, I meant to redirect the Poliwhirl to Poli since it was Red's Pokémon, which has a name and a page, who did certain actions. So identifying Pokémon adds more details, no? MannedTooth (talk) 19:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually saying that the Poliwhirl's name is Poli would be a better way to do that. And the next paragraph makes it very obvious that Mew is the Phantom Pokémon, so there's no point in having one on that. glik^glak 19:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

PS001 comments

You wanted to know, so why not. =P The only real mistakes (IMO) are:

• The children are trying to capture Nidorino. They're basically acting individually, not as a single entity.
• On the one hand, "lost in thought" is just a more recognizable/comfortable phrasing than "lost in his thoughts". But also, I think "lost in his thoughts" maybe isn't quite right unless such thoughts have been explicitly described. (It's confusing. His thoughts? What thoughts?)

Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

The problem here, is that, it's not the children who are trying to capture the Pokémon, but rather the group of children who works in team in order to capture it.

As for the lost in thought, if you think it sounds better the way it was, I will revert it. :) MannedTooth (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

No. They're not working as a team. They're just taking turns. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess you're right! :P MannedTooth (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

New users

FYI, we usually only welcome users once they have made a contribution. Sure, a few might eventually make contributions, but on any given day, there are usually far more accounts created than actually get used very soon. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Templates

Templates have to be made in your userspace, then approved by staff before being moved to the mainspace. I've moved your pages. glik^glak 22:46, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thank you. So, how can I get them approved? :P MannedTooth (Talk) 22:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Putting the {{mainspace}} template on them and asking a staff member. glik^glak 22:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Creating new pages

Hello, I've noted that you tend to create a lot of new pages in the mainspace, so of questionable notability. This is to let you know that you can't just create a new page in the mainspace, to suggest a new page, make one in the userspace under User:MannedTooth/[subject]. AFterwards, the staff will look at the page to see whether it is notable enough for the mainspace. Thank you.--ForceFire 03:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, my pages are not that complete since I'm principally adding quotes. But for the notability, I made sure it was ok; Caterpie already existed. I mimicked it. The notability should be even. MannedTooth (Talk) 03:50, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Another page existing does not make it notable, it's also the content that counts the most. It was incomplete, very incomplete and having the page filled with quotes won't make it more notable either. This was mainly a message to tell you to create pages in your userspace and not the mainspace.--ForceFire 04:02, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Link formats

Since you're actively editing this stuff, I just want to give you a heads up, please don't use underscores in wiki links. That is, [[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 04|Area 04]], not [[Pokémon_Picross_Stages#Area_04|Area 04]].

As it happens, though, we actually have a specific template we prefer to use for links that take a form like that. {{DL|Pokémon Picross Stages|Area 04}} produces that exact same link a little more compactly. (See also generally, Bulbapedia:List of link templates.) =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

So you want me to use {{DL|Pokémon Picross Stages|Area 04}} is that correct? MannedTooth (Talk) 17:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Will do! But what about the Mythical Pokémon and the Passwords? Is there any direct link to those two? MannedTooth (Talk) 17:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I've never played Picross myself. I'm not sure what you mean, unless you're asking about the "DL" template. But if you are, you can use {{DL|Pokémon Picross|Mythical Pokémon}} to get the same link you used on Manaphy. Any link that would look like [[A#B|B]] can be {{DL|A|B}}. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

That's exactly what I meant! :) Thanks a lot! (I'm super happy to have finally found something I can contribute on!) MannedTooth (Talk) 17:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Templates, again

I told you only four days ago that you are not allowed to make templates in the mainspace. We don't make color templates for side games anymore, which you should have picked up on by there not being any for games after Gen IV. If you do this again, you will likely be blocked, so please remember that templates must be approved by staff. glik^glak 18:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't thought that a simple color would be such a deal.. :s MannedTooth (Talk) 19:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Size and scope don't make the rule any less of a rule. And something that would be used on over 200 pages is most certainly going to be a deal. glik^glak 19:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

So, can I complete what I started with the Picross locations?
I will absolutely ask staff the next time I want to add a template. But just for my information, why did you stop adding colors? MannedTooth (Talk) 19:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Using {{Skill color light}}, yes. Singular spin-off games never got their own colors. Only the Mystery Dungeon and Ranger series had them (Battle Revolution got one for some reason, I don't know what's up with that). And with MD going to single entries rather than paired, there was little reason to continue making new colors when we had enough to cover most possibilities. glik^glak 21:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, I didn't even intented to add a new template for a new color for Pokémon Picross, I was "forced" to do so because of the way {{availability/Entry1}} was made. The name of the game needed to be the same as the color as it shared the same variable. So I can't use {{template|Skill color light}} for this one. How am I supposed to deal with that? MannedTooth (Talk) 21:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Look at how the other entries use the template. glik^glak 21:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I was mistaken, so, shall I proceed to replace everything I've done and then delete the template? ^^ MannedTooth (Talk) 22:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Only staff can delete pages. I'll get it when you're done. glik^glak 22:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm done replacing everything. MannedTooth (Talk) 23:10, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Doncha/Hazel

Could you explain why you redirected Doncha to Hazel?

As a complete aside...you don't need to change links like [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|Zygarde 10% Forme]] to use the DL template. Templates are mostly meant to save space, and the DL template only adds to it in those cases. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

For Hazel, Grandpa called her "Doncha" once. AS for the DL template, if it's meant to save space, I don't see how it can do that, as [[A#B|B]] (9 characters) will always be smaller than {{DL|A|B}} (10 characters). Or am I mistaken? MannedTooth (Talk) 15:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)