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::::now now, dont back out all of a sudden. im by no means forcing you to say anything, but i know you want to talk to somone, you want to tell somone the truth. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
::::now now, dont back out all of a sudden. im by no means forcing you to say anything, but i know you want to talk to somone, you want to tell somone the truth. {{:User:MAGNEDETH/Sig}} 08:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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35pxMAGNEDETH35pxTALK Lightning-attack.pngMetal-attack.png RIDNEDOPT35px - Archive 1


If you were to hack a Magnezone and then trade it to me, would it appear in my pokedex?--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 19:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

yes. only the game that recieved the hack would not get it in the pokedex. as in, if i hack it, i dont get credit for it. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 19:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

So would it be listed as a legit?--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

if i hacked it correctly (which i do pretty much all the time) though, it must be said, ive never uploaded to PBR, if thats what yur getting at. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't know what PRB is, but I was just wondering--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

PBR - Pokemon Battle Revolution. its notorious for dissallowing hacked pokemon. what are you referring to? "listed as legit" User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I don't have that. I mean it will apear in a pokedex?--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

yes. why would you need one traded? they are fairly easy to obtain yourself. especially if you have a Gen III game. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just wondering--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

going to grab yourself an Action Replay? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm to poor :)--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

huh, theyre only $20. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't get paid to shovel snow. I only get paid to mow lawns, and I spent it all on on Pearl and Emerald. Is hacking how people find out the starting moves for Legendaries?--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 20:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

im not sure, but im inclined to think so. theres no legit way to get a legendary below the lvl they are found at. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 20:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanx for the info, I'm gonna see i anyone took my poll--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 21:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

yea, i didnt take your poll because i have no intrest in stories. but if i HAD to choose, id choose the were-poke. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 21:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanx. Now if there were only a way to get more people to take it--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 21:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

not many users on right now, try bumping it later. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 21:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanx again. gonna go stare at a empty page--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 21:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

have fun. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 21:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I wonder how long it will take for someone to notice if I blank my page......--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 21:54, 9 February 2008

what do you mean? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 22:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I am making a funny. Blank page, get it--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 22:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

oh, a completely blank page. well, if you made a blank user page, no one would care, but if you made a blank -pedia page, you would get yelled at. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 22:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I have another question. Can you give a pokemon a move it does not usually have( like a magnezone with Judgement--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 23:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

yes. and before you ask, no, the game wont get mad and crash (my Staraptor knows Drill Peck) but if you use it against friends, or online or somthing, then people will def know youve cheated. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 23:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


1. Thank you for your introduction. It is a pleasure to meet you as well.

2. I personally think it may be a bad idea to do that. Yes, it makes sense with the National Dex numbers, but keep in mind that the National Dex has different numbers than the Johto Dex, Hoenn Dex and Sinnoh Dex. However, you do bring up an interesting point about disambiguation pages. I wonder if maybe we could have a page called 001 but have it be one of our Disambiguation pages. Let me see about that. --PAK Man Talk 22:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

after i saw the previous talk section, i was thinking the same thing. a disambig about 001 would include
  1. Bulbasaur
  2. Route 001
  3. EP001
  4. AG001
  5. DP001
etc...thats a lot of work... User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 22:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Obviously that'll be a lot of work. That's why BulbaBot would do it! User:Theryguy512/Sig 23:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
how do we program it to do it? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 23:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, no no silly boy. We don't Zhen Lin does. BulbaBot does many, many tasks. User:Theryguy512/Sig 23:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
yea, well, who tells Zhen Lin? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 23:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way, MAGNEDETH isn't a silly boyUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 23:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
im not following you. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 00:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
How old are you again?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 00:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
i dont see how that has any bearing on me being a "silly boy". User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


When welcoming, please put {{subst:welcome}} instead of {{welcome}}. If you want to know why, ask Tina.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 23:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

well, then, maybe ill just keep doing {{welcome}}. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Fine, but anyway I think it puts stress on the server to update every page that you put welcome without the subst:.
I mean that if we were to edit the welcome template, everypage that you put {{welcome}} on would have to update.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 01:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
oh, ok. i just wanted a straight answer. now, whats all this talk about avatars, and me being a silly boy? where did that come from? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know. Ry called you a silly boy. I'm just saying that temporally, you would be a silly man.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 01:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
whos "Ry"? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
*sigh* Theryguy512User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 01:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
he did? what a nice guy. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes. Did you see the topic above titled Reply. I don't know, All I know is that he got the nickname Ryguy and it stuck with him.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 01:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
oh, yea, i overlooked that. it seemed rather trivial. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 01:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Did you just experience a major disconnection to the server?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 02:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

yes, did you? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 02:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
That happened to me to--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 02:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yup another one. What's happening? Why is the server crashing?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 02:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

im tellin yall, the server is under stress from over-use. it has nothing to to with user pages or whatever. ive checked this. at peak times, the server is useless, but at low times, the server is super fast. when it gets overloaded, it just shuts-down and we all get disconnected. it basically comes down to just needing a newer, bigger, better, faster server. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

How can that be arranged--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 03:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yea What do we do? Donate to the Bulbagarden Benefactor?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
yea. thats all WE can do. i do plan on donating, but im broke right now. Zhen's gonna have to wait a few months for me. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
i am to poor. Advertising maybe? --User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 03:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
more advertizing would work. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
We are already doing that. See the Ads by Google at the very top of every page?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
yes, add more? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Where?! And I think the website will become unpopular if the website uses pop-ups.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Question: Is this song from Destiny Deoxys? Ph34r4everTalk page03:19 10 Feb 2008

Please don't intrude on a conversation and yes.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

right. the server is really getting on my nervs right now. i cant respond to your comments. basically, the kind of ads that are used right now are simple google ads. they are safe. he can add more of those. maybe another set next to the ones at the top of the page, add a set at the bottom, and add a set below the links on the left side. this way they are out of the way, but still do their job. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Not bad, but you would still have to ask Zhen lin about it.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
How about Donations. But a large link on the side of the site that says Donations?--User:Darth Cookie Monster/Sig 03:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
THE BULBAGARDEN BENEFACTOR I said that earlierUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
yes exactly. though, i dont feel privlidged enough to talk to Zhen Lin. let alone, tell him what to do. (on a side note, looks like im going to have to archive my talk page) User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes you may. By the way, everyone is allowed to talk to Zhen Lin. Never did I say to command him, but to ask him.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 03:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
well, how do i just go in there and say "upgrade the server" without sounding forceful? besides, i hope he realizes the distress of the server. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
He probably already does. Just say, "May you please upgrade the website's server. I am asking you this in a gracious and pacific tone of voice."User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

notice how the server is running faster now? thats because the east coast is now tucked away in bed, asleep. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Ha you can say that, mine seems to load before I even click the link.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
That and um, you did archive your talk page, so it loads faster.. Tina281 04:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I meant EVERY LINK!User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
in about 30mins, it will be even faster once central time zone drops. then after all of the US is offline, it will be like Extremespeed!! and Tina, you wernt on about 30mins ago, it was like Truant. i think it still is, im still experiencing some problems. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
HEY HEY HEY! GUESS WHAT! I'm Central Time! And I'm not goin to sleep for a few hours. I'm in a good mood. so Chúc Mừng Năm Mới to everyone!User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Vietnamese for "Do The Hustle" right? imma head off for 20 mins or so. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
NO THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANSUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
then what does it mean? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 05:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
It means 'YOU SUCK AND GO DIE IN A HOLE.'. ......naturally, I'm just kidding. Sorry. I couldn't help myself :x Tina281 05:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 :( that was uncalled for...HAHAHAHA!! that was a good one... User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 05:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
GRRRR...User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 05:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way, it means Happy New Years as Vietnamese New Years this year was February 8User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 05:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
yup, year of the rat. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 05:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah... animals of the zodiac... although not in the zodiac, my favorite animal is the serpent.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 05:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you think?

Do you think he will make it in life it he keeps acting that way? Being unaware of the dangers lurking right in front of himUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're so concerned for me, help me get a knife...Ph34r4everTalk page07:39 10 Feb 2008

dont go arguing on my userpage. granted, ive got somthing to say to both of ya. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 07:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Fine I won't argue... But Ivan, you're gonna die.... sooner than othersUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I know. I want to end this miserable life of mine...Ph34r4everTalk page07:43 10 Feb 2008

HA Your life isn't as miserable as mine. I live in a death city, many of my family died. Many hate me for my serious nature, yet I love my life and appreciate God for giving it to me. But you wouldn't understand that.. wouldn't you atheist?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
"You see, Cepheus, this is the power of relationships."--Omega-Xis.
At least you have a life. You'll be surprised at who I really am...Ph34r4everTalk page07:47 10 Feb 2008

HOLD IT. some people dont want to be helped. now, generally, the thing to do at that point, is help them, but some people REALLY dont want to be helped. if thats the case, dont help them. im sure O35 will eventually realize that if he really is having a rough time with whatever, his only way to go is up. but, he must learn that on his own. PM102, youve preached the word of god, but some people dont want to hear it. if they dont, dont force it on them, they have freedom of religion (in america, hell, how do you think scientology got anywhere?). now clearly, you have some issues of your own, and you seem to have dealt with them fairly well, and if the story about helping a suicidal friend is true, good on ya. what it boils down to is that arguing between each other on the internet is going to get you NOWHERE. you two dont see eye to eye. you know what? dont talk to each other. this is a frickin pokemon website, and one of you is preaching god and dangers of rape, and the other is threatening suicide. dont you two have parents or somone to talk to? i aint no preacher, but you both need to sit and think for a min. that goes mostly for you O35, suicide is bull. what the hell good reason do you have for that? and PM102, you need to learn to just walk away. he got mad, but you kept pushin. think about it.

User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 07:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have anyone to talk to about my secret. Just wondering, how is your life horrible? is it the studying?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't... I can't walk away from one in need. And no one taught me the word of God. I learned it myself.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
so why do you preach it then? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 07:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I do... but they will either make fun or argue. They don't understand what I have been through and the strenght of my conscience.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 07:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
well ok, i respect that. ive learned to respect everyone, no matter what. i dont know whats eating you, but, without saying, theres always someone willing to listen. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 07:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You really think I go to school? Ph34r4everTalk page07:57 10 Feb 2008

I would hope that MAGNEDETH thinks, PM102, otherwise he wouldn't have written that!

On a far more serious note, looking at Optimus' mood lately, it has been rather...dark. Optimus, your continued dark mood is rather concerning, however. Believe me, the way you act is almost scary. I don't get scared easily.

Pokemaniac, while I do agree that preaching the word is indeed good, perhaps you're just pushing a bit much, no? But I can understand what you're trying to say. Glinn32px 07:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

did i do wrong? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Glinn, I don't want anyone to die for things like suicide. One may think their life is miserable, it isn't.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You think this is Optimus? It's not even Ph34r4ever...Ph34r4everTalk page08:02 10 Feb 2008

Look Whoeveryouare, you say your life is miserable, will you please elaborate on that?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
oh good, here comes the twist weve all been waiting for. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS FELL FOR THAT!!! Ph34r4everTalk page08:05 10 Feb 2008

so much for the twist... User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
So what? I fell for it. I'm serious here. ...There is such youth in you...User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I'm not one of those laughing persons.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
im still waiting for Glinn to come back with words of wisdom. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm waiting for Ivan with feedback.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
i think both of you need to talk to somone. just find somone to sit down and listen to you. all of it. nothin held back. you said people would laugh, well, then dont talk to THOSE people. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

If you think Ivan will keep giving feedback you're crazy --YX

*sigh* Why do you still think this is funny?User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
he enjoys your suffering. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I think someone possessed me or smething...Ph34r4everTalk page08:12 10 Feb 2008

who, Tina? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
MAGNEDETH, No one can answer my secret, which is a question.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
soudns like yur the only one who can answer it then. so whats the answer? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
...>.>;;;Very funny. Ph34r4everTalk page08:16 10 Feb 2008

whats funny? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
When I said I was possesed...Ph34r4everTalk page08:18 10 Feb 2008

NO IT'S NOT!!!!!!!!!! No I don't know the answer. Gotta ask God. But don't know how.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry Ivan but I know the psyche. I know you're lying.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I usually get headaches when I'm exposed to spiritual material...and I'm having a hell of a headache...Ph34r4everTalk page08:20 10 Feb 2008

I believe you get headaches but you're lying about getting headaches when being exposed to spiritual material.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

it has come to my attention that you two are COMPLETE OPPOSITES. O35 apparently had God, but lost him. (gave up on christianity) then we have PM102, he did not have God, but found him on his own. what we have here, is the immovable object, meets the unstoppable force. now i just need to figure out which one of you is which. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have him completely. I pray to him to answer my secret. He doesn't... Not even in REM sleep.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
well, youve got more of him than O35 has/had. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
God doesn't necessarily answer in words. Sometimes...the answer is right in front of you...Ph34r4everTalk page08:25 10 Feb 2008

Wow... This secret has somehow been bothering me since I was 4-years-old. And it is a question one would not expect.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

heres the rundown.

  • O35 has/had a problem/secret. you prayed. you got no answer, you gave up.
  • PM102 had a problem, he prayed, had success, he has another problem, he prays, has not had success.

if you want to say it, say it, get it over with, feel the weight fly off your chest. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

No. My problem = Everyone hates me. I was an outcast. I didn't talk. That answered my problem. Be yourself. My secret has bothered me. Unable to stop thinking about it. And the answer to this secret will reveal my destiny.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Who said I prayed? >.>;;; I gave up on religion cos it made no sense...Ph34r4everTalk page08:31 10 Feb 2008

  • well PM102, sounds like the only person who can help you, is you.
  • and mr O35, i agree, that was a bad reading, i overlooked that.

User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I mean it. THink about it, Jesus could be telling the truth. We are all sons and daughters of God...Ph34r4everTalk page08:34 10 Feb 2008

sounds like youve put some thought into this. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Magnedeth, this secret, the answer, may reveal everthing: Why everyone hates me, Why I know the word of God, why I am different from others boys, and a lot more.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Believe me, I have...Also, the part about "Whoever has seen [Jesus] has seen the Father"...Jesus studied scripture. Don't you think that he was making a referernce to "Hey, fellas, let's make man in our own image"? Ph34r4everTalk page08:37 10 Feb 2008

By the way, Magnedeth, I think there's something wrong with me. One of my friends is in 5th grade. He's fun. I like him. But I feel as if I liked him in a different way then everyone else. I don't know.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
are you possibly saying you are gay, or you may have an attraction to young boys? (idk how old you are, so i cant really relate "5th grade" to anything) User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You're either suggesting you're gay's the love of Christ reaching out to the little guy...Ph34r4everTalk page08:45 10 Feb 2008

I don't know anymore... Starting to get a headache.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
now now, dont back out all of a sudden. im by no means forcing you to say anything, but i know you want to talk to somone, you want to tell somone the truth. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 08:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm just afraid of what people may think.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 08:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I swear my life I won't laugh. Ph34r4everTalk page08:51 10 Feb 2008