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Standardizing "Available Pokémon"
I'd like to update the formatting of the walkthroughs that have been done, but I've noticed for games that have three versions there doesn't seem to be much consistency in which Pokémon are included in the walkthroughs. In some cases, only the Pokémon found in the game(s) that the walkthrough focuses on are included, while in other cases the Pokémon from other version(s) are included. I figure there should be some sort of standard for these and I see three possible ways of going about it:
- The data for all three games is included, meaning the list can be copied unaltered from the location page. So, for the Diamond and Pearl walkthrough, the Platinum data would be included.
- The data for the other game or games is only included when it matches with the game(s) the walkthrough is concerned with. For the Diamond and Pearl walkthrough, data for Platinum would only be included when it is the same as either Diamond or Pearl. (It might be better to just glance at the example to understand this one...)
- Only the data for the game or games the walkthrough is concerned with is included. For the Diamond and Pearl walkthrough, no data from Platinum would be included, even when it overlaps with either Diamond or Pearl.
I think that the last option would be best because it presents only the necessary information for the walkthrough. The first and second options contain information that is irrelevant and if a reader is interested in the available Pokémon for other games they can simply click a link in the walkthrough to go to the page of the location they are curious about. Additionally, the second option may be misleading if the reader assumes it is presenting all the information for the other game or games.--The Plausible Farfetch'd 07:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think the best way is to only include info that is relevant to the version(s) in question, like adding only Diamond & Pearl availability for the DP walkthrough. Even if the other version(s) of a region has the same encounter rates, it doesn't make much sense to have Crystal rates in the Gold & Silver guide, for example - it's just extra, unnecessary info cluttering things up. If someone needs to find all available Pokémon for a certain location, there are pages outside of the walkthroughs that deal with that. Also, if there are Pokémon normally found in an area, but cannot be encountered until later (like an early route with a pond, but surfing/fishing cannot happen until later), that encounter data doesn't need to be added. By the time the player can surf, fish, or dive, then they're not concerned with the early walkthrough pages anymore - they'll be using the location or species articles to track things down.
- Hope that made sense. Thanks for the help, by the way. — KC 10:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- Righto, the surfing and fishing thing is a good idea too.--The Plausible Farfetch'd 20:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky Walkthrough
Since there is some stuff going on Post-Story, should we merge that together with the final chapter, or should we make separate articles? -- ☆YoshisWorld☆ 22:36, 7 August (UTC)
- Split them up. Post-story extras can have their own page. — KC 17:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Pokémon Rumble Blast Walkthrough?
I don't own the game yet (combination of not being out in my country and shipping issues) but should I make notes and start constructing a walkthrough when I do get it? It is completely unlisted on To-do so I thought I'd ask. Happy to help, Epsilonexus 16:39, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- Certainly. The To-Do list just needed some updating. — KC 12:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it just me, or...
The total number of completed walkthroughs is one out.--Chalkwriter 17:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- So it was. Fixed. — KC 15:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello KCorp4000, I'm a new user here on Bulbapedia, Deruffy, and I think your walkthroughs are fantastic and I wanted to know how often do you udpate your walkthroughs, more specifically the Platinum walkthrough?
PS.: I'm brazilian, so my English may be a little bad.--Deruffy 04:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Deruffy, and thanks for the compliment. School takes up a lot of my time, especially early in the week, so I try to update as much as I can on the weekends. Was there a part of the Platinum walkthrough that you thought needs attention? I'm still working to update the older guides, so I haven't spent much time on the newer games yet. Your English is fine, by the way. — KC 10:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey KCorp4000, it's Deruffy again, I edited some pages like Pidgeot's Name Origin with fonts of other Pokémon sites and I like to know if I could edit your walkthroughs with parts that I elaborated from other sites such as Psypokes.--Deruffy 02:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
First off, I'm brand new to wiki editing (I just had to get involved with making Pokémon walkthroughs), so I won't pretend to be an expert and I will gladly take any constructive criticism.
Now, I've noticed on the walkthroughs so far that each page (section) contains sub-sections based on geographic location, e.g. Littleroot Town, then Route 101, then Oldale Town, etc. However, I think it would improve the usability of the walkthroughs to begin each page/section with a short "to-do list" as a sort of advanced organizer, and dividing up the page according to that list. Geographic location divisions would still appear much as they do, but as bold subheadings in each "to-do" section instead.
To-Do list items could include obtaining any necessary items, getting important phone numbers, fighting rivals, defeating gym leaders, capturing specific Pokémon for HM use, etc.
If you'd like to see an example, I can create one. I didn't make one yet since, as I said, I'm brand new to this, and I wasn't sure if that would be too presumptuous.
Thanks! poikins 07:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
On another note Diamond and Pearl are complete. Also I have some ideas for new sections for Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver that have some value but will require some work to put together especially the HeartGold and SoulSilver one. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's good to hear. It seems that Emerald is already complete as well, so that leaves Platinum as the last main handheld that still needs work. Anyway, let's hear these new ideas then. — KC 16:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
First on Platinum a separate section for catching the Regi Trio needs to be made. Also here are two important facts, firstly they can only be challenged and caught after defeating the Elite Four, and secondly if the special event Regigigas was transferred to another Gen. IV handheld game and then that Platinum game is deleted and restarted then they could be could be collected again (which is why I have two copies of that game for that purpose).
Now for HeartGold and SoulSilver a trainer guide for regular trainers that can be re-battled can be set up. Since I decoded a long time ago and added information to this site that by defeating the Elite Four and later collecting all 16 badges it can be used to powerup their teams. There are 4 phases 1. first battle, 2. First rechallenge, 3. second rechallenge (requires the defeat of the Elite Four) 4. third rechallenge (requires all 16 badges). Also each phase must be completed once. Now my plan is to use a graph or something together with their team data, levels, and money earned after each battle. While the first phase doesn't need any help for collecting data since it is already posted, the 3 rematch phases do and so either of us can collect and save the data which will require some working on, especially the Kanto trainers need extra caution since the First rechallenge can only be done once. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Since I am not busy for the summer I will start a new game for Platinum today and work on finishing it myself. Also from what I can tell the Kami Trio will need it's own section when Black 2 and White 2 is released since they can't be caught the normal way and also have to obtain their new forms. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's good, work on Platinum first so we can get that closer to completion. If you wouldn't mind working on the Heart/Soul rebattles after that, that would be great. I'm trying to find a new job this summer, and it sounds like you have more time than I do to devote to it. All I can handle right now is updating the older guides, which I'd like to have done before B2/W2 hit in October. — KC 17:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I can store the HeartGold/Soul Silver stuff in Microsoft Word. As for the templates I would need help with that. But pretty much that is all the information that I dug up from gameplay. Also on further inspection Emerald is not as complete as you think due to missing some post-game data such as Johto Starters. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
One final note is check out the trivia on Milotic's page on how to evolve it from Feebas for those versions (Also so you know is that I was the one quickly discovered the drawbacks after my first failed attempt to evolve Feebas due to overfeeding it with Poffins in Platinum and confirmed the mistake after my second attempt worked by using no Poffins to help this time). -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Already underway and check back frequently to see my progress as I am working very hard to put all this together. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- I see that, and thank you. I appreciate the effort. — KC 18:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
A new problem is that unlike us the other contributors are not putting their Pokémon to not include Pokémon that are found in the third version games from the main games, i.e. Marking down Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire in the Ruby and Sapphire guide only or Emerald in the Emerald Guide only. Could you help by adding a rule about this in for Project Walkthrough if you want. -Tyler53841 (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
- But anyway check out the Ruby and Sapphire guide I did and check out the changes that were made to include the Emerald details I made sure to leave out such as at the Available Pokémon sections. -Tyler53841 (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- Fortunately that's a minor issue, as simple as changing a "yes" to a "no". The project page has been updated to address this. — KC 12:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks and just so you know that second post was just used as an example to better clarify what I was talking about. -Tyler53841 (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Just to make sure you're up to date, apparently certain Breeder-type trainers on certain routes can be re-challenged in Black 2 and White 2 by leaving the route and then letting them spot your character again. There teams and prize money are usually the same. The places I have identified them so far are Route 4 and 6 and Lostlorn Forest. -Tyler53841 (talk) 15:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting. I've read about that, but as I'm only at Virbank City, I haven't encountered that yet. Thanks for the update. — KC 17:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Also when you reach that hidden area of Castelia City through the Sewers where Eevee can be found for some reason the time it takes to enter into a regular battle (non-rustling grass) seems to take longer than other areas so I recommend that for finding Pokémon in that area Sweet Scent is a good choice to use to make it easier and less annoying. Lastly when you get to the Driftveil Drawbridge I recommend writing the same approach that I did for the original Black and White guide since collecting and selling the wings (excluding the Pretty Wing) is an effective way of making money. -Tyler53841 (talk) 18:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Black 2 and White 2 walkthrough.
Few places, such as Route 4 or Reversal Mountain are going to give you some trouble as they're different between version and the way you will find in one version might not work in the other. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- I'm still considering how best to accommodate differences like those, but they will likely end up looking something like the season-dependent descriptions of Twist Mountain from Black & White. That way, people only need to read about the iteration that applies to them. It would actually be easier if they only differed by season, as a switch statement could show only the text for the current month, but as far as I know, there's no way to tailor it depending on the reader's version. — KC 16:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- How you get the Pokémon rates, anyway? (Because I don't type unless it's other than percent). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean by "other than percent", but I try to cross-check against other sites. If the rates match up, I add them. If they don't, I leave them blank. — KC 18:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Other than percent such as Rare (Grottos), One (some other kind of Pokémon), once per week (another kind of Pokémon)... and well, that way? Oh... the worst part is rustling grass (or rippling water). 19:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Following your Gym battle against Drayden, and then your battle against Team Plasma, while the city remains frozen with Ice for the remainder of the main game check out the neighboring routes Routes 9 and 11 as they will also be partly frozen and could use some coverage. -Tyler53841 (talk) 14:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- They will be covered soon enough, when that page of the guide is done. I've just arrived in Nimbasa, so I can't worry about Opelucid just yet. — KC 18:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Anyway I just got done with the main game so that is pretty much all the information that I want to give to you regarding special details. Good luck with the rest of Black 2 and White 2.-Tyler53841 (talk) 01:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Pokémon Dream Radar
Check out the improvements to that page, it should help with the walkthrough. Since I got a 3DS for Christmas, I've learned all sorts of things about it that can help. -Tyler53841 (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Pretty much after 4 days of hard work I completed the main coverage of Pokémon Platinum. There is still a few more adjustments including some of the coverage for a few legendaries but I don't need to tackle it right away. Also for the Black 2 and White 2 guide I was thinking of making a special page for a mini-walkthrough on the Dream Radar which includes the coverage for getting the Reveal Glass. What do you think of this? -Tyler53841 (talk) 04:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Good to hear. As long as the story is covered, the extras will follow in due time. Regarding the Dream Radar, please go right ahead with a subpage. I don't know much about it, so I'd appreciate your help while I finish up the post-game. — KC 17:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll handle that page in the same fashion as the special Regi page I did for Platinum. At this rate the main series will be caught up when X and Y come out. I'll admit it is a good thing I have a second Platinum copy for data storage purposes with the special Regigigas on it which I trade between copies for catching the Regis before trading back as it helped with the accuracy of that page's information. Also on the Dream Radar thanks to the work SnorlaxMonster and I did for that page I can use the template to help with the decorations. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:11, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Pokémon Conquest Walkthrough
I wanted to add a Conquest Walkthrough which would be a guide on how to do things like how to get through the main story or how to get all the Legendary Pokémon, and tips like that meowth can increase the amount of gold obtained in the mines and witch Eevee evolution to chose first. The guide would be good also because most/all of the stuff I just said I haven't seen anywhere else on Bulbapedia so having a guide on getting the Legendary Pokémon and how to get other rare Pokémon would be good.TrainerX493 (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- If you want to make a walkthrough, that's none of my business, but I'll address what you're saying about missing information.
- (Advice on how to progress in the game and which Pokémon one should try and get the Hero/Heroine's Eevee to evolve into does not belong anywhere in the mainspace.)
- In lack of an appropriate location, I haven't added Meowth's mining property, but I guess you can just add that at the bottom of the Meowth article's Side game data section, below the sidegame infobox.
- The locations of and requirements for legendary Pokémon are found in the kingdom articles. I've only checked and confirmed some of them, so feel free to correct any errors - I'm confident there are some, but I haven't tested them yet.
- I assume that the "other rare Pokémon" you mention are the Pokémon found in the kingdom articles' Special Pokémon sections. Those I haven't confirmed are hidden, so if you can confirm any of those, just remove the hidetags. If you have any other information about these Pokémon appearances that is not included in the articles, add that too. Yvnr (talk) 08:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- That would be great. Please focus on the main storyline first; acquiring the legendary Pokémon can be included there. If there are many Pokémon like Meowth that have special effects, these may warrant a list on their own subpage; if not, they can be noted when encountering the individual Pokémon. Like Yvnr said, certain info is unsuitable for the mainspace, so save tips or advice for the Appendix space. — KC 14:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)