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== Trouble with [[Hidden Grotto]] page ==
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{{u|Lady Ariel}} is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hidden_Grotto&diff=2049933&oldid=2049908 showing] herself [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hidden_Grotto&diff=2050166&oldid=2049989 determined] to undo my fixes for the roundy bits of the table in the [[Hidden Grotto#Items in each Hidden Grotto|Items in each Hidden Grotto]] section on the [[Hidden Grotto]] page. (I also forgot that other tables on that page need the same fixes, but I'd expect to encounter the same resistance if I try to fix those right now.) Without the changes I made, the roundy templates ([[Template:roundytl]], etc.) end up having ''no effect'' whatsoever on the table; you can take out those templates/styles and the table looks exactly the same. In order for them to work, the row cannot have a background color style, and the cells must each have it instead. If you look carefully at the tables in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hidden_Grotto&oldid=2050166#Items_in_each_Hidden_Grotto before] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hidden_Grotto&oldid=2049989#Items_in_each_Hidden_Grotto after] revisions, you can see that the corners are actually round in the before version with my edits.
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Can you impress on Lady Ariel that she has no call to undo those fixes of mine? ...Or am I somehow not as right as I think? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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:Looks like you're right there. Your version is visually the correct one, and it's not like the extra ~250 bytes cause some issues. So I think you can add it back. If Ariel still disagrees, she should take part in the discussion.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 17:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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::The corners are identical in both versions (using Safari and Chrome). It is possible to have the background color set for the entire row and have rounded corners for individual cells. In addition I changed the color scheme of the tables. The actual edit I just did is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hidden_Grotto&oldid=2050253 here], which makes the table borders less blocky (similar background and border colors in the old versions) and removes unnecessary coding. Also the way I re-coded those few cells is how a majority of tables are coded on Bulbapedia. Should I take pictures of the corners of the cells and provide them or should it be reverted to my recent edit? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:magenta">Lady</span>]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:orange">Ariel</span>]]''' 19:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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:::Looking at your revision in Chromium, I now see why you've been undoing my changes. The problem is, in Firefox, my changes actually ''do'' change the way the tables display.
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:::As I mentioned when I reverted it, you're entirely welcome to redo any of the changes that don't affect the roundy fixes (as above: each cell in a roundy row has to have its own background color, and the row cannot have a background color); I just didn't have the patience to sort out your new changes from the roundy stuff myself, or redo the roundy stuff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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::::It is like to the colspan issue with tables, which is caused when a table has a number set for colspan that is greater than the number of columns some browsers display a gap and others don't. I will go ahead and change the tables then (leaving the roundy now that we know it is a browser issue). However, finding the countless number of tables that use the coding I used on the Hidden Grotto page won't be easy. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:magenta">Lady</span>]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|<span style="color:orange">Ariel</span>]]''' 19:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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:::::If you mean finding those "countless numbers of tables" to fix the roundy stuff, I don't expect to or even intend to try. I just fix whatever I happen to notice (and manage to care about that moment). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Having a "countless{{tt|*|everything on the wiki is countable}}" number of things to fix isn't supposed to be a deterrent from completing a task that need to be finished. It is ''more'' a reason to change something you see is wrong when you see it, because otherwise, it may not be found again for a long while. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 21:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Page without category ==
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Since a user has created a page about roller-shake tricks, will you either add a category or delete the page? [[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 02:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Shared species into mainspace ==
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Can I get permission to move {{u|Relicant/List of Pokémon with shared species names‎|this sub page of an user}} into the mainspace or you do it for it? --[[User:Cinday123|<span style="color:pink">Cinday123</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Cinday123|<span style="color:lightblue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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:It's not just up to me. It should be discussed [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ here] first.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 12:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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==Silcoon and Cascoon==
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Both of them having the same base stats, type, learnset and Ability all seem rather obvious with them being counterparts in the same evolutionary family. Metapod and Kakuna also have the same base stat total, learnset and Ability (and share at least ''one'' type, since Kakuna is dual Bug/Poison). Seems to me, the trivia should be combined, but with the shared species trivia being uniform throughout all the species' pages, I'm not sure if it should be merged, a separate trivia point, or a subsequent trivia point. What say you? [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 15:06, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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:It's not that obvious considering that ''Beautifly and Dustox'' don't have ''any'' of those similarities. The species name should stay separate since Silcoon and Cascoon have ''more'' in common with each other than with Metapod or Kakuna.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 17:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Absol ==
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Umm...Do you also think that this does not fit [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Absol_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2076439&oldid=2076429 here] as it was undone by user Glik, I personally think that this trivia is ABSOLutely correct. {{unsigned|Viv}}
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:Almost every Pokémon with Super Luck can do the same thing. It's correct, but not notable.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 15:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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::Okay, got it!.--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 12:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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Trouble with Hidden Grotto page

Lady Ariel is showing herself determined to undo my fixes for the roundy bits of the table in the Items in each Hidden Grotto section on the Hidden Grotto page. (I also forgot that other tables on that page need the same fixes, but I'd expect to encounter the same resistance if I try to fix those right now.) Without the changes I made, the roundy templates (Template:roundytl, etc.) end up having no effect whatsoever on the table; you can take out those templates/styles and the table looks exactly the same. In order for them to work, the row cannot have a background color style, and the cells must each have it instead. If you look carefully at the tables in the before and after revisions, you can see that the corners are actually round in the before version with my edits.

Can you impress on Lady Ariel that she has no call to undo those fixes of mine? ...Or am I somehow not as right as I think? Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you're right there. Your version is visually the correct one, and it's not like the extra ~250 bytes cause some issues. So I think you can add it back. If Ariel still disagrees, she should take part in the discussion.--Den Zen 17:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The corners are identical in both versions (using Safari and Chrome). It is possible to have the background color set for the entire row and have rounded corners for individual cells. In addition I changed the color scheme of the tables. The actual edit I just did is here, which makes the table borders less blocky (similar background and border colors in the old versions) and removes unnecessary coding. Also the way I re-coded those few cells is how a majority of tables are coded on Bulbapedia. Should I take pictures of the corners of the cells and provide them or should it be reverted to my recent edit? Lady Ariel 19:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at your revision in Chromium, I now see why you've been undoing my changes. The problem is, in Firefox, my changes actually do change the way the tables display.
As I mentioned when I reverted it, you're entirely welcome to redo any of the changes that don't affect the roundy fixes (as above: each cell in a roundy row has to have its own background color, and the row cannot have a background color); I just didn't have the patience to sort out your new changes from the roundy stuff myself, or redo the roundy stuff. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
It is like to the colspan issue with tables, which is caused when a table has a number set for colspan that is greater than the number of columns some browsers display a gap and others don't. I will go ahead and change the tables then (leaving the roundy now that we know it is a browser issue). However, finding the countless number of tables that use the coding I used on the Hidden Grotto page won't be easy. Lady Ariel 19:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
If you mean finding those "countless numbers of tables" to fix the roundy stuff, I don't expect to or even intend to try. I just fix whatever I happen to notice (and manage to care about that moment). Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Having a "countless*" number of things to fix isn't supposed to be a deterrent from completing a task that need to be finished. It is more a reason to change something you see is wrong when you see it, because otherwise, it may not be found again for a long while. MaverickNate 21:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Page without category

Since a user has created a page about roller-shake tricks, will you either add a category or delete the page? Cinday123 (Talk) 02:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Shared species into mainspace

Can I get permission to move this sub page of an user into the mainspace or you do it for it? --Cinday123 (Talk) 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not just up to me. It should be discussed here first.--Den Zen 12:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Silcoon and Cascoon

Both of them having the same base stats, type, learnset and Ability all seem rather obvious with them being counterparts in the same evolutionary family. Metapod and Kakuna also have the same base stat total, learnset and Ability (and share at least one type, since Kakuna is dual Bug/Poison). Seems to me, the trivia should be combined, but with the shared species trivia being uniform throughout all the species' pages, I'm not sure if it should be merged, a separate trivia point, or a subsequent trivia point. What say you? Glik (talk) 15:06, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not that obvious considering that Beautifly and Dustox don't have any of those similarities. The species name should stay separate since Silcoon and Cascoon have more in common with each other than with Metapod or Kakuna.--Den Zen 17:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Absol

Umm...Do you also think that this does not fit here as it was undone by user Glik, I personally think that this trivia is ABSOLutely correct. - unsigned comment from Viv (talkcontribs)

Almost every Pokémon with Super Luck can do the same thing. It's correct, but not notable.--Den Zen 15:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay, got it!.--Viv (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)