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Battle judge

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on this dungheap. Cheers, —darklordtrom 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

It was late, trom. x_x That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Feeling Shipping

I have noticed no one made a Yellow and Green page yet.is it ok if i make one? - unsigned comment from Rubybrendan (talk • contribs)

Administrative note: moved here from Luna's talk archive —darklordtrom 08:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

A question

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --KayiR 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of Template:S.

Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --KayiR 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --electAbuzzzz 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Except SoulSilvershipping is popular, Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. 梅子^❀_✿ 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Specialshipping

How isn't Specialshipping canon?! --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 23:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

....Because Kusaka didn't make it canon...? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Red and Yellow's red string of fate doesn't count? --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.

I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Luckyshipping

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed. Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.

I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.

That was pretty much why. *nod* Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. Thank you for the response; I understand now. Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Headline text

Hello. I hope I'm leaving the comment right... Umm does bulbapedia need an article on Coupleshipping?? If so may I do it please. (Sry I'm new here....) Diamond-Contestshipper 16:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Coupleshipping? No such thing. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh...I saw it on google so..yeah sorry about that. :( Diamond-Contestshipper 16:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --Andy^P_K^M_N 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are here, so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Grings Kōdai

Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get Kōdai moved to Grings Kōdai now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --The Great Butler 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Better to ask something like Kenji on that. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

New Shipping

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. Yata.--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My edit in the AdvanceShipping article

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, Ship states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. Cag 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting fanon, and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.

And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't exactly say I agree with you about it being baseless speculation, but I see your point (Well, since you're the project leader, I guess it doesn't really matter whether I see your point or not XD). Oh well, at least most of my edit is still there for now. Thanks for answering my question! :) Cag 19:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Shipping article

ok so can i add ships i think need an article in the Well it would be nice... section? Mash4eva 15:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You could, but if I don't think the pairing would make a decent article, I'll only take it off. And if you make too many of those, it'll only be annoying, you know? It's too presumptuous. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

NegaiShipping

Does the link at the bottom count as "hints"?Patrickmck 22:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The link at the bottom counts as an external link to a person's personal blog/website. It's content is also questionable and biased, despite claiming otherwise, as context is not given. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

ok i'll stop adding to the shipping list like crazy

sorry if that offended you. the reason why i added to the list because there's a lot of shippings i think need pages to them. one shipping though i think needs a page the most is curtainshipping. - unsigned comment from Mash4eva (talk • contribs)

You didn't "offend" me; but what you seem to think needs an article really can't, only because there's absolutely no substance to any you've added so far. Now, Curtainshipping has had an article before. It was deleted in a purge. It wasn't a good article then; there wasn't much to Maylene or Reggie's interactions beyond "they know each other." Not to mention, it's not a notable 'ship anymore, and that's what matters at this point. Curtainshipping doesn't have notability. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 05:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ok and do you who runs the incomplete shippers list?Mash4eva 01:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I do. Why? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :D

Thanks for backing me up on the color thing about the name for Abagoura! --+ Joeshie + (is Mæ!) 02:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem at all. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 03:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

New

Hi, I'm new, and I want to help. I have only seen episodes 1-227, and I know them pretty well. Loghomewill 01:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Awesome job, dude ma'am!

Congratulations! For your outstanding service to Bulbapedia you have been awarded the Bronze Bulbasaur Award for October, 2010 by the Bulbapedia editorial board! Please place this template onto your userpage by putting {{User Award|BronzeBulba|October, 2010}} among your userboxes.

Thank you, Luna, for the countless hours of effort you've put in over the years and especially the last few months. —darklordtrom 08:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

What the hell is up with this weekend? o.O ...Thanks guys. =) Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

We're watching you Luna. >:D It's about time you got rewarded for your efforts, congratulations. —♥ Jello^talk 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

>D I can live with this (though I don't think watching me is any fun). Thanks for the nom', btw. *hug* Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!

Who said you could start updating the articles with the disambiguation notices!? --Landfish7 16:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

... *points to every other pogey page* You know they finished that process, right? The ones I did were just the missed scraps. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

NO NO NO!! They haven't confirmed the change yet! --Landfish7 16:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

That was four-six days ago. You missed it when they did the whole thing, did you. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you that but five-six days ago we made a similar misconception when our very own Editor-In-Chief made a similar page, believe it or not, he was wrong at the time, it hadn't been confirmed yet, at least, according to MAGNEDETH. [1] --Landfish7 16:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

All of which I'm well aware of, and more. What you seemed to have missed it that, despite the move "not being confirmed" publicly, it's been done. Have you looked on the pokémon pages? Any one that has a dismbig? They were all updated with the disambig in the header. By mods. By Deth himself? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The reason people were editing the pages before is because other people were editing the pages. Just because people are editing the pages, including Deth, or even TTE, that STILL doesn't confirm the change. --Landfish7 17:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Kid, I know you seem worried, but what part of "the change is done" is not sinking in? If I'm wrong, I'll get reprimanded. By staff. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It's just I made the same mistakes, it's rather most of us are ALL wrong, or the admins need to confirm it in the forums or on bulbanews A.S.A.P. --Landfish7 17:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I know you made the mistake; I also know it wasn't your fault. I'm also a moderator on the forums. Something like this? Not going to be mentioned in News. They did confirm it on the forums. Ta. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Great! That's all I needed. Thanks. :) --Landfish7 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Disambig

Welp, they wanted the number of pages in the category decreasing, and it's the only way. And red links are bound to appear all the time, and they'd be eventually blue links as the time progresses, but I'll stop until I see activity on it. I kinda stepped back yesterday when I wanted to make these changes since the Disambiguation pages were red links after all. Masatoshi: Gen. II>All. ^Discuss. 21:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Dude, eventually there will be a Disambig for that pokemon, or you can make one yourself, but just don't redlink them. Gliscorguy54 21:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

There's a misconception abounding, apparently. That status bar doesn't mean: they all have to have disambig links now...or else we would have done it already. Some of the pogeys you just redlinked for won't be getting necessary disambigs for a loooong time. They aren't necessary until they're necessary. We avoid redlinking in this kind of situation. If we don't need the article, there shouldn't be a link. If we do, the red link is there to serve as a reminder that we do. The disambigs = not necessary yet. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then. My bad. (Everytime I try to do something, it's wrong or unneeded :<) Masatoshi: Gen. II>All. ^Discuss. 21:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

That's just because you're a little ambitious. Which isn't wrong at all. It takes a bit of figuring, that's all. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Help...

I am having a problem. It says that we need a NeoRocketShipping article, but I don't know how to make the thing with the Luvdisc... And when I am trying to put a photo on the page, how do I control where it goes on the page?

I'm really sorry for bothering you, but I really need help...

Thanks,Eliza 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

New Ship

Don't you think there should be a page for Chris and Eusine? There are so many hints; it'd be a great page! I'm not saying it has to be done now, or anytime soon, but just think about. That's all I ask.

--Ggb81 02:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks. --Ggb81 01:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Dub hints

I was wondering what your stance on dub hints are. I've seen that one user keeps removing hints from RocketShipping on the basis that they are dub-added lines and don't matter. But PokéShipping has many dub hints listed. So should dub lines be allowed or removed? Or does it depend on the situation? --ケンジのガール 02:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The Rocketshippers monitoring that article believe the only hints of merit are the ones from the original source. It's a bad double standard that I understand where they're coming from, since a dub can't make canon what isn't from the original, but at the same time, you're right, we do have a lot of dub-added hints in the others. Ultimately, we're catering to an English speaking audience, and I wonder in that case, maybe there should be a separate section on the article for dub stuff, since that is the version most people are familiar with. *rubs neck* But then comes being trouble in its own right, since most of the fanbase couldn't decipher crud for the raw version of their ship enough to make the comparison. Maybe a tag. (DUB HINT blah blah blah.) Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Confidence in abilities

Sorry for bothering you again. I just wanted to know if confidence in abilities are valid hints. Like how Cilan didn't worry too much about Pansage being sick after Iris gave it the medicine she had made.

I'm asking because a user reverted an edit I made about Iris being confident in Cilan's abilities in BW019 on the basis that "having faith is not a valid hint". Even though he says it isn't valid, hints like those are all over the place. I'd just feel better having a clear answer from you as I felt the revert was a little unjust. Especially considering what he said afterwards which is untrue of what actually happened.

Though I do admit that if I am allowed to add it back, I will word it slightly differently. --ケンジのガール 04:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Confidence is usually taken in the subtext of how the character is presented with its said (where the person is in the frame, like a close-up, or Ash's reaction to it), and can usually be a best-judgment thing. Having not seen the episode (yet?), I couldn't tell you if it should stay or not. ._. On the other hand, if it was put in there and even if it's a valid point, is it a valid hint without the shipping goggles? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Looking at it now, maybe this one particular isn't that strong, given how Iris put it. It was just the reason for its removal that bothered me. This is good to know that they are valid hints. Thank you for clearing it up :) --ケンジのガール 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's definitely all about context and presentation. =) If the writers and animators want something to mean something, they will show it somehow, be it slight or obvious. That said, ^^; we might have to go through the rest of those kinds of hints. *grk* Toss-out lines are basically the same as being saved: nice to hear and see, but can it count? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Moves and abilities

Don't add the move tag. We know they need moved. All it does is create extra work removing it that could be spent moving the pages faster. ^Maverick_Nate 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

To answer you question...

Regarding your edit summary on Blaze, they are the same in DPPt as what you changed it to. --SnorlaxMonster 14:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Official guide proved wrong?

Hi, I saw this edit summary mentioning me and the guide on the White Forest page, and since I have been posting various things from it as what I believed was correct, I thought I'd ask, what in it is known to be wrong? About all I've noticed mistake-wise is stuff like an extra space before a closing bracket... Thanks in advance, Bluesun 11:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, it was merely that the table you provided concerning the BC/WF trainers (I assume your thoroughness in double-checking what you've provided, so I assume the table is exactly what the guide says). First thing I noticed was how the trainers in Back City own the evolutions of the pokémon they generate in White Forest. The table you provided, however, said Lena generates Azurill when she owns Gallade and Gardevoir, meaning she would generate Ralts. But since we don't have Molly's trainer info to back the difference, I was simply using the table to reference the surfing pokemon, and not using it to enter /all/ the trainers in, only leaving out the ones we don't have the team info for. =o I hope this clarifies it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So rather, it's just a little infallible. That's it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, oh, I can be dumb sometimes. After I spent so long checking that table, somehow I swapped the Pokemon for Lena and Molly. Thanks for noticing, and apologies that I made a mistake like this. I've noticed too that they have the evolved forms in Black City, but they're not listed in the guide... Either way, I've now edited my original post, but if after this you don't believe in the accuracy of the rest of it, feel free not to. Sorry. x.x Bluesun 14:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

^^; I suppose I'm used to guides getting things wrong. Sorry for not asking if it was a mistake or not. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

What are all those oval things at the right side of the page? Sorry... I couldn't help asking.