Template talk:Beta

There has to be at least some data on the RS (FRLG?) beta and DP beta. TTEchidna 09:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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Can someone change it to "Prototype" in the template's header please? MK 03:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Beta refers to them in the stage of development that they're advertised in. When we got the Platinum reveal, all those screenshots were from the beta. The public never gets pre-beta stuff unless there are leaks OR someone STEALS it (cough Sonic 2). TTEchidna 07:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've decided to move these because really it's the correct term, and who knows when a leak will occur or what development stages these are in. Please edit this template to acomodate that. MK 05:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

You wish.--FF(edits-talk) 05:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't be hostile like that FF. MK 05:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

FF and TTE are right. Sorry to be mean, but "beta" is more right. --Clarky13 05:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way, "prototype" refers to the original model, while "beta" refers to the preliminary testing stage. If they were prototypes, then the creators probably wouldn't have the unused data in there, since it's a model for the final product. Beta is the better choice. — eA 05:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

But we're talking about more than 1 version, not a specific build of the game. In fact, the articles cover both unused information in the games, which can be from any version, as well as stuff from published media that were unused which could have been in an early alpha stage. MK 05:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Aha! Smell that? That's the smell of speculation. As prototype is a bit too precise and there's always the possibility of us being wrong, beta is the better word, being general and covering almost everything. — eA 05:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Speculation? Where? We know that we don't know a lot about the internal development of the games. Prototype is extremely imprecise, referring to anything before final, that's why I wanted to use the term. Beta, to the contrary, is not a general term, and does not cover anything except the later preview bug-check releases. MK 05:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. Beta = testing stage. Prototype = An original type, form, or instance serving as a basis or standard for later stages. What dictionary do you use anyway? — eA 05:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

As I stated, many many times now, that is precisely what we are talking about. What if a game is leaked and we get more information about it? What if there are new discoveries? What if a developer speaks out? These may have specific version information, or build dates, or other dated markers. These articles should be a generic hub for any prototype form of the games. All betas are prototypes, but not all prototypes are betas. MK 05:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

All betas are prototypes

THERE! That is exactly what I'm talking about. Beta can be used as the general term for anything shown before the actual release, including things from prototypes. As we're not completely sure if what we're looking at are actual prototypes or not, we use the more general term, beta, to cover everything from prototypes to other junk. — eA 05:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Either it was in a prototype or a mock-up, if it's not in the final. Beta is not a generic term, I'm not sure why people treat it as such here. But anyways...I'll leave it alone now. All I wanted to do was use the correct noun, but people reverted it due to fear of TTE or something, then it was locked, due to misconception that I would revert. I forgot I had asked here and so a proper discussion was not held, even tho it may have ended up better. I'm not going to reiterate what I've said on like 5 pages now if the person reading it will not bother to listen. Since I generally have a better temper than other people, I'll leave before anyone gets angry at me and does things they'll later regret. MK 05:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)