Talk:Zinnia

Aster's namesake

In the climax of the Delta Episode, right before Rayquaza is summoned, Zinnia describes how Aster is named after someone dear to her who passed away. In the Magma/Aqua Hideout she describes Aster (the Whismur) as her "daughter", and the revelation at Sky Pillar makes it slightly unclear whether, when she speaks to Aster at various points in the game, she's addressing the actual Pokémon or Aster's namesake.

I don't want to add anything too speculative since the scene is extremely ambiguous, but I do think that some of the explicit facts about Aster (namely, that she's named after a deceased character) deserve to be mentioned on the page outside of the quotes themselves. Arguably Aster might even deserve a section on the page, the same way [AZ]'s Floette does. —Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

i think it should be a trivia thing; considering that Zinnia said that she 'lost her' it's evident that she's speaking of Aster's namesake since Aster is directly next to her. My suggestion is a sister or daughter, but to remove speculation it's simpler to point out in trivia something along the lines of 'Although Aster is almost always beside her, Zinnia sometimes speaks about having lost Aster, suggesting that she may have named the Whismur after someone close to her who died prior to the events of the Game.' So it's based more factually than theoretically. All in all, i do agree that it is something noteworthy Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

B/W reference

In Granite Cave, she mentions truths and ideals- is this a reference to Reshiram & Zekrom? It seems so, but publishing speculation is not acceptable. Would it be appropriate to link the B/W articles there, or am I making references in my head? Partone (talk) 08:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)Partone

This certainly is a direct reference to B/W, actually. -AuraGuardian- (talk) 06:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Zinnia's Grandmother

Can we get a page on this ASAP? She does play a pretty heavy part in the Delta episode, by giving vital information, and she's related to the last Lorekeeper, Zinnia, while also happening to be both a Move Tutor and the only and last tutor to re-teach Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which is pretty important, as it's needed for Ray to ME. Additionally, she is one of the remaining Draconids, so she needs a page. (Was looking for certain quotes said in-game for the DE that only come from this character, so when I couldn't find it, I was disappointed.) -AuraGuardian- (talk) 06:32, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Parallel Hoenn

I find it strange that something Zinnia mentioned as profound as "A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in" is never really explored in the article. The only time it is mentioned is in the direct quote from her. It's a very strange thing for her to bring up, and has some far-reaching implications. As is linked in the article, it may indeed be a reference to the original Ruby and Sapphire versions, and in this case it is the first time (as far as I know) that a character seems aware of the remake versions being distinct in some way from the originals. It would also imply that OR/AS aren't meant to be simply remakes of R/S, but also that they take place in a parallel but equally valid universe. This raises questions of not only when the games take place relative to each others' timelines, but in what universe? What is different about the Kalos region in the old universe, if the great war never happened, and the ultimate weapon never constructed? Does this not deserve further investigation? Though, I'm afraid all we can do right now is speculate. MofoMan2000 (talk) 05:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess there are some blurbs about it in other articles, but usually only a short sentence. I'm more concerned with this article as it is now. MofoMan2000 (talk) 06:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Zinnia's...not grandmother

In the English script, Zinnia calls the old Draconid woman in Meteor Falls "Grannie", but in the Japanese script, she calls her ババさま, which is much more likely to be a respectful address for an old woman than a way of calling one's own grandmother. It's harder to argue, but in English, "Grannie" really doesn't have to refer to one's own grandmother either. I think we should remove the claims that that old woman is Zinnia's grandmother.

This seems like it could easily attract argument, so I wanted to check here first if anyone else has any thoughts on the matter? Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

If there's not enough info to confirm a closer relation between them, I agree that simply mentioning her as "[the] old Draconid woman" is enough. SatoMew2 (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)