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Yveltal's height is 19'00" (Rounded to the nearest inch) and weighs 447.5lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth). How do I know? I converted its metric weight and height. --[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] ([[User talk:KirbyRider|talk]]) 21:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 
Yveltal's height is 19'00" (Rounded to the nearest inch) and weighs 447.5lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth). How do I know? I converted its metric weight and height. --[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] ([[User talk:KirbyRider|talk]]) 21:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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Xerneas walks on the ground, a possible reference to he horizontal X axis in mathematics, while Yveltal flies through the air, a reference to the vertical Y axis. Should it be added?

Revision as of 01:08, 12 January 2013

Time to Create

I think we have enough to go ahead and kick off the two legendary Pokémon pages. (Other being Xerneas.) CycloneGU (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Because we don't know the types these Pokémon will have yet, we will be holding back the creation of their articles for now. Knowing the type of a Pokémon is basic information, but a relevant one when creating an article (mainly because of {{PokémonInfobox}}). Masatoshitalk 16:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Before the pages get ready, can I make the redirect pages already? the ones with pokemon instead of Pokémon, e.g. Xerneas (pokemon) redirect to Xerneas (Pokémon).--Igor (talk) 16:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally see barely any point in creating redirects to an inexistent article. It will create false positives shown in the search bar, misleading a lot of people. I suggest you to wait until we actually create the article.

Evil?

It seems as if it's being pronounced "ee-vell-tall," and I don't want to speculate too much, but could the name possibly come from "evil" or something along those lines? --Zewis (29) 22:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The name also seems to stem from the figure in Aztec myth named "Coatl." Or at least, that's what my mind went to when I first saw it's name. Coatl is often represented as a winged serpent not unlike the design of Yveltal. Zoraluigi (talk) 01:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
How about Weltall? Even though you hear about it from Xenogears, it's German for universe or space--a hint to its origins. Lennox (talk) 02:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
So in other words, we shouldn't do anything yet? --Zewis (29) 11:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I suppose we shouldn't. Time will tell, I suppose. --Zoraluigi (Talk) 16:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
How about "evil" + Quetzalcoatl? Yvel -> Evil, -tal -> -tl (from coatl). Tano (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
There's a definite Aztec vibe from this one. We'll just have to wait. Let's be reasonable and say it's a Flying type. Scarabola (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

"The mascot of Pokémon Y"?

...should we really be saying this right now? I know they're not the same games, but Black and White flipped things on us before. At the very least, this comment needs to be sourced if true; otherwise it should be left out. Starscream (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The X and Y in the logos of the games are styled after Xerneas's horns and Yveltal wings. It's pretty obvious that they're going to be the mascots. - Blazios talk 13:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
It was "pretty obvious" that Alomomola was the evolution of Luvdisc, but that turned out to be bunk, too. We shouldn't be making any assumptions about any of the Pokémon that have been revealed so far. It doesn't matter if they WILL be; there's been no announcement about it so far, so the information shouldn't be up yet. Starscream (talk) 02:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Starscream does have a point though, but they probably will end up being mascots at least. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 20:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I feel like they wouldn't have released a game called "Pokémon Y," have one of the only five Pokémon in the promotional video clearly be a legendary, make it shaped like a giant Y, and later reveal its name to start with a Y, without it being the mascot. --Zewis (29) 03:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Zekrom and Reshiram seemingly traded what versions they should have been mascots for, recall. Game Freak's decisions won't always comply with expectation or common sense. No matter how obvious it seems to be, it is still not confirmed. On a similar note, we also shouldn't be assuming what bodytype category they'll go in, since that system could get retired anyway. yeyjordan 06:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Except they didn't. They were going for a Yin Yang theme. That's all. Ataro (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
well they released the new magazine, which seems to agree with the fact that Yveltal is in Pokemon Y and Xerneas is in Pokemon X Harrichan (talk) 8:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
The reason for flipping the Black and White colors was because of (probably to emphasise) the "Yin Yang" theme. Scarabola (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Possible Future Trivia? Or Origin? Maybe, maybe not?

This maybe too soon or just plain stupid on my part but anyone noticed how Yveltal looks like a Y? I know it probably was what they were going after considering the game title, just didn't know if that was trivia-worthy or an origin-worthy note yet if not at all. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 20:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I would say that something like that would probably be best in the physiology section or something. --It's Funktastic~! (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I'd figured as much. But I guess that can be added later when we get more info on the game and/or the Pokémon itself. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, let me try, maybe, maybe, Xerneas with spread legs looks like an X! Oh, and the X and Y in the logos have elements of Yveltal and Xerneas!! WOW!! Jokes aside, I agree with you when you say that this is going to be trivia, and let me add that it should be included design orogin/physiology and name origin. But, man, honestly, I believe that everyone who watched the direct 3 days ago noticed it. Tano (talk) 16:04, 11 January 2013

Official Art

We can probably replace the screenshot now that we have official Sugimori art. Official Art Zond (talk) 12:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

  • That's the one cleaned by PokemonBattle.it. They also have Xerneas. The trivia should be fixed too, since Xerneas and Yveltal are confirmed to be also the Japanese names and they were revealed on French, German and Italian sites too at the same time, so they're not just the English names. Tano (talk) 14:44, 11 January 2013

Name origin

I don't think wyvern is a likely origin—if it were pronounced "WAI-vel-tal" then maybe, but otherwise it is not similar in pronunciation or spelling (it shares "ve" with it). The Yv combination seems to be more common in French (e.g. Yvelines is the top suggestion on Wikipedia when typing Yv in the search box). I think the name may come from French rather than English, which is why we cannot find an apparent origin. --SnorlaxMonster 15:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Look above in the "Evil?" section. I agree with you however when you say that "wyvern" is not part of the name origin (but probably the origin of the concept for the design). Yveltal is pronunced in a Latin way, as French people or Italians would do, like "evil-tal", so I suggested it's probably "evil" + Quetzalcoatl? Yvel -> Evil, -tal -> -tl (from coatl), and then they added the "Y". Tano (talk) 16:04, 11 January 2013
Oh, I know that it is pronounced ee-VELL-tall (Pokémon tweeted the official pronunciation). However, I guess "evil" probably is a good origin, although I doubt it would be the only one with that spelling. I also agree that wyverns may have been part of the design influence, but not the name origin. --SnorlaxMonster 16:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I knew that tweet, but I think that "evil" pronunciation is similar enough, and I agree with you about "wyvern": the only thing they have in common (talking about the word) is the "y", wich is in "Yveltal" because of the concept. Well, we can't deny it's a wyvern (and I like that). Tano (talk) 16:21, 11 January 2013
I also think that the derivation from Quetzalcoatl (a mythological dragon) is more correct that the one from Quetzal (the little bird). "Evil" would be totally confirmed if it's part Dark type. Tano (talk) 17:24, 11 January 2013
How about guivre or vouivre? I'm not that familiar with French (or the actual pronunciation of wyvern*), so I can't say for sure. As for Quetzal, it's still a reference to its design, which features a long tail feather. Quetzalcoatl has a closer resemblance to a "feathered snake" than an actual bird. --超龍Chao 16:34, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Going on pronunciation, they don't really fit. Those would be GWAAV-re and VWAAV-re (I think—it's been quite a few years since I studied French). They don't really fit on spelling either. --SnorlaxMonster 16:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Doing some research on the subject, Yvelines is a department in France and the Yvel is a river in France. Neither has a counterpart beginning with X as far as I can tell so far but the river in particular seems like a likely origin.--MisterE13 16:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Quetzalcoatl in ff8 is kinda Y shaped and it's derived from the mythological Quetzalcoatl, so that even a feathered snake can have this shape. Also the quetzal (the green bird) takes its name from the Quetzalcoatl, and with spread wings it's Y shaped, since it has a very long tail. And even if the river Yvel has almost the same name, I don't think that GameFreak knew about it. I guess it's just a coincidence. The name origin should contain elements with something to do with the Pokemon. Tano (talk) 16:61, 11 January 2013
Yvel and Yvelines are probably a coincidence. Quetzal isn't really derived from Quetzalcoatl. The word itself is Nahuatl for feather. Quetzalcoatl is more of a compound word that means "Feathered serpent", though I can see that it can count as design influence. --超龍Chao 17:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Then please give it some dignity and replace Quetzal with Quetzalcoatl, lol. Why should it be named after a bird instead of a mythological bird-snake? Tano (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2013
The bird may be considered a coincidence, like the river. They have no purpose to use the Quetzal to make its name. The Quetzalcoatl at least is a mithological winged snake (=wyvern, in a western definition). Also you derived Xerneas' name from Cernunnos (horned Celtic god), even if they don't have much in common. I think that Yveltal should be derived from a god too (Quetzalcoatl is an Aztec god).
If the French pronunciation thing is true, I'm sure we're mostly aware that X and Y will take place in a land taking inspiration from France. Scarabola (talk) 19:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Origin

At the moment it contains "Yveltal is based on some kind of avian". Guys, it's based on a wyvern: bypedal, horns, claws on wings, etc. - unsigned comment from Tano (talkcontribs)

The reason I went for the ambiguous "avian" is that cultural depictions of wyverns vary drastically. Most depictions I've seen have them as "close cousins of dragons", but they are plenty where they just are dragons. If I go off of Wikipedia's definition "A wyvern is a legendary winged creature with a dragon's head, reptilian body, two legs (sometimes none), and a barbed tail." then the only condition Yveltal really fits is having no legs. Also, your link is broken (it may require logging in to view it or something). --SnorlaxMonster 17:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
According to my (too many) years of D&D, a wyvern is a creature similar to a dragon, but with no forelegs (or, in general, with just 2 legs), often with a poisonous claw on the tip of the tail, wich would fit Yveltal (except for the poison part, that we still don't know). About the broken pic, it probably external links, try with the page or this fanart (that is actually a trace/rip of the one I linked before). Tano (talk) 17:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Another wyvern. Tano (talk) 20:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I believe it's more based on a Roc. But that just be my obsession with Arabo-Persian mythos thinking. Scarabola (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
The Roc is a mythological bird, right? I believe it has bird wings, beak, plumage and it doesn't have a long tail with claws on it, or claws on its wings, or horns. Yveltal has horns, claws on wings, a long and strong tail with claws/spikes on it, no beak, no plumage (from the 3d render, that's skin, not plumage). It's simply a wyvern, that is also a fantasy creature. Can still have a mythological origin however, since its shape is similar to the quetsalcoatl, a winged-snake god, that is similar to a wyvern in some aspects, being a winged reptile with a long tail and "Y" shape (the only y-shaped god I can think about, also possible name origin). Tano (talk) 22:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

I feel like there is an error in the trivia for both of the Gen VI legendaries. The names were revealed internationally at the exact same time. Why does it say that it was revealed in English before Japan? Noah★ (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The English names were revealed in the official site on January 8 whereas the Japanese names were revealed two days later in leaked CoroCoro scans.--Den Zen 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Right. But the names are all the same. What was on the Japanese site on the 8th?Noah★ (talk) 18:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
There was no Japanese site on the 8th. There still isn't a Japanese site. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 19:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty. No arguments here Noah★ (talk) 19:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, to be honest there is still an error, since it's not the "English" name, but also the French, German, Italian and Spanish name. And it was revealed on US and European sites in the same moment. Tano (talk) 19:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
What? Yveltal is its English name... And we don't need to mention other languages because this is an English wiki--Den Zen 20:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I think it's still an incomplete information. Tano (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I thinks that's a good point and should be corrected. Even if this is an English wiki, "Yveltal's name was revealed internationally before being revealed in Japan" sounds like it would be more accurate.

Imperial conversions

Yveltal's height is 19'00" (Rounded to the nearest inch) and weighs 447.5lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth). How do I know? I converted its metric weight and height. --KirbyRider (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

X/Y axis

Xerneas walks on the ground, a possible reference to he horizontal X axis in mathematics, while Yveltal flies through the air, a reference to the vertical Y axis. Should it be added?