Talk:Villainous team

no team dim sum

that is how its spelled,ok? do not know anything abot team dim sum so can someone put it in. GoldsWigglytuff

No, it's Team Dim Sun. Go check the official website for Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia, [1] - Kogoro | Talk to me | 20:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a small addition, information on Team Dim Sun will most likely be added once Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia is released in North America. - Kogoro | Talk to me | 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

ok and its team Dim Sun sorryGoldsWigglytuff 22:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Team Meanies

You know, from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon? Gengar, Medicham, and I forgot the other one. SD13 Simpsondude13>SD13 Talk 11:39, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ekans. :P

But they're more rivals than villains, I'd say. .:Reign:.

Rivals! They nearly get the player & partner KILLED! - unsigned comment from Doggy567123 (talk • contribs)

Team Plasma

Team Plasma is noticeably absent from the article. Could someone add them?--RegiRuler 12:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Pinchers

Can someone please add the Pokémon pinchers? Masterjoe123 02:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Great Gavel?

These guys are the main villains of Pokémon RéBURST. I know it's not a game, but these guys are actual main villains unlike some of the anime's occasional one episode villain teams so that makes them several times more likely. So I was wondering, should they be added? Maybe under an "other" category or should something like a special page for anime/manga original villains be made (and if it already has been made, could you direct it to me?) Ataro 02:13, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Strange layout

This page seems to go into deep detail about each team in the games, anime, and manga. I think it would be much better to simply have maybe one paragraph each and no sections for each medium. The teams have their own articles and don't need this much info on another page. --SnorlaxMonster 09:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree. |) u |( e ® 03:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Aether Foundation?

They may not have the word "Team" but they are the main antagonists of Sun and Moon and operate mostly like a team, can we add it? --Celadonkey 13:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

This page is not for just "antagonists", it's basically for groups named like "Team [X]". Ignoring that—especially when there's already a group in SM that fits that exactly—is very much trying to fit a square peg into a round hole; worse, a round hole that's already got a round peg in it.

IMO Aether as a whole is also not evil. Aether has very clear "good" goals. It's Lusamine and maybe certain people, like Faba and maybe the people who work in the Secret Labs, who are doing bad things. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:03, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Bringing back this discussion a bit late - I think it's a bit silly that we're judging whether something is a "villainous team" or not based on whether they have "team" in their name or not. And the bit about "there's already a group in SM that fits that exactly" makes more sense, but both of these points are ignored by Cipher and Team Snagem, who are both on the page.

"Aether is not evil" is a good point here, but although other teams may not be quite as extreme, other teams like Team Magma could be argued to have generally a good motive. Disregarding this, though, although it is clear that even though members of Aether joined for good reasons, they did serve as an obstacle for the player - they were likely blindly following their leader's word, like Team Plasma. --Celadonkey 00:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Team Plasma isn't the golden boy (or silver boy or whatever) that you want it to be. In the real world, eco-terrorists may have a "noble" goal, but that doesn't automatically make their methods or therefore the group itself okay. Team Plasma's methods are generally of a decidedly radical bent--against the law, or at least general ethics. You can't compare Aether to Team Plasma like that.

If you ask me, it's silly to argue that a "villainous team" shouldn't be a "team". If you want something else, that's one thing; but that's practically the opposite of a good "reason" to shove odds and ends under the label of a "villainous team".

And if you think Cipher should be removed, that might be okay. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:47, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know Team Plasma isn't the "golden boy" or whatever, I said "although other teams may not be quite as extreme". But they both have very clear "good" goals, and it's Ghetsis and maybe certain people like Zinzolin who are doing bad things, just as you said about Aether.

Of course it's silly to argue a "villainous team" shouldn't be a "team". But I think it's equally silly to argue that for something to BE a team, it has to use "team" in its name. I don't think we should remove Cipher, as it has always been considered an antagonist team, but it doesn't have team in its name. It's still just as much of a team. --Celadonkey 12:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Team Plasma Grunts (and higher) are you villains throughout the story, that's simply inarguable... That's most of what you see; the "good" part is, at best, a "side story". Aether is the opposite. Aether aren't the ones actively being your villains throughout the story; that's Team Skull. And what you see is them being good most of the time; the "evil" part is just that: only a part of their story. It's not like every Aether character you've met turns around and reveals themselves to have been evil the whole time and they were all just using you or something. If we had a page about antagonists, I'd be happy putting them there with appropriate nuance. But they do not deserve to be called a "villainous team". No part of that accurately/reliably describes the foundation's character; it's painting the whole damn thing with far too broad of a brush, when what it deserves is nuance.

I think you and I simply won't agree about "teams". I absolutely do not consider Aether Foundation to be a "team" remotely like Team Rocket/etc. I'm not certain whether to attribute that to their being more of an organization than a gang like the "teams", or equally to their fundamentally being a force of good, but I do not consider them to fit this mold. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Just for reference, I hope you have you also seen this earlier discussion!?

As I said there, this isn't to be solved objectively. But basically, I agree with Tiddlywinks in that Aether isn't really villainous as an organization, and not a "terrorist organization" (which is the current definition for it to belong here).

One major difference to Plasma is that, unlike them, once their leader's bad intentions become apparent, Aether (quickly) reform so that more or less, they basically kick the bad guys out of their organization; Plasma had the opposite. Nescientist (talk) 12:50, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I was to say this, but since there's been more discussion since I've started typing, I'll just kind of awkwardly leave this here.

Yeah, it's clear we're not going to agree. But considering this is mostly where I go for "antagonist" purposes, I think it would be nice to move this page, or at least make a new page, for "Antagonists", since there's really only one antagonist that, according to you, doesn't fit here, and move this one to "Crime organizations" for a more clear definition. (Preferably just move this page to Antagonists without creating a new page just for teams, since it's nearly the same.)--Celadonkey 12:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

"Criminal terrorist organizations"

I wouldn't exactly call, say, Team Skull a 'terrorist organization'. I think 'crime gangs' would suffice. --Lmoamemesxd (talk) 15:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)