Talk:Victini (Pokémon)

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About its National number

Yeah, I know, it's #000 while Tsutarja's #001. Just because of this we cannot assume that it comes before Tsutarja in the National Dex. Tsutarja's staying numbered 494, Pokabu 497, and Mijumaru 500 until we find out otherwise. Because remember, Arceus and other non-Johto Pokémon are #000 if they're caught by hacking before getting the National Dex. Hell, in all honesty, Victini may indeed be #000 in the National Dex, too. TTEchidna 00:28, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't they have just said that so we won't know how many new Pokémon they'll have? That makes sense to me. ----Zewis (29) 13:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Highly likely. I hear the number's something like 160... more than Kanto brought us, even. TTEchidna 09:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Serebii confirmed that Victini is #494.--Purimpopoie 14:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

PokeBeach also said that it's National Pokédex number was 494, but this news is best taken with a grain of salt, until the game is officially released. Hopefully, it'll be #000, otherwise, it'll be the first time that the starters came AFTER a legendary Pokémon within the Isshu section of the National Pokédex (English name for Isshu to be seen sometime in 2011)--Kangaflora 20:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Worth mentioning in the trivia, (whether going by Isshu number or national number) that Victini as an Isshu Pokémon is the first Pokémon to come BEFORE the starters of the region? Serebii even confirmed it's national number as 494, coming after Arceus and before Tsutarja making it the first time a regional Pokemon came before the starters of that same region. Worth mentioning after the games are released? --Brats817 00:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

First of all, we don't use Serebii as a source. Second of all, after the game is released, we can add this, but I wouldn't mentioned national number until the game confirms what its national number is. Phantom♫Junkie 00:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

user page

why is this article part of a user page? Breawycker 21:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not Sol, but it is because these pages must be created in the userspace for inspection before they are mainspaced. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 21:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Legendary

Didn't it say somewhere that Victini was a "mirage Pokémon"? — Axxonn_{theAwesometrainer} 22:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I added that it was a legendary Pokémon, since that's all that's listed for other legendary Pokémon articles. ~ solaris 22:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Unknown-type

The article should not link to Unknown (type), since it implies that Victini has that as its type when really its type is not known. --Transfinite | Talk 12:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

If its type were ???, it would be listed as ???, not Unknown. Unknown means we do not know it. --SnorlaxMonster 12:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. But it still redirects to that type. Either the link or the redirect should be deleted in order to avoid this kind of confusion. --Maxim 12:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It shouldn't be linking at all. We should have a template default set to not link. --SnorlaxMonster 13:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Liberty Ticket

Should it be noted that Victini is only the second Pokémon of illusions (the group with Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, etc.) to have an event item to trigger its appearance in-game in its original generation? Yes, there was the ticket to the island to get Mew in Gen III, but as far as original generations go, there's this and there was the GS Ball available through the cell phone connection thing in Japanese Pokémon Crystal. And that didn't even make it out of Japan, whereas the Liberty Ticket will likely see worldwide distribution via Wi-Fi.--PhantomJunkie 17:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Manaphy Egg... Oak's Letter...--immewnitythemew 18:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't aware Shaymin was part of the "Pokemon of Illusions" group, so never mind. Also, I thought the Manaphy egg hatched into the Manaphy, rather than causing the Manaphy to appear in the wild so that it can be caught. There's a difference there.--PhantomJunkie 20:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Oak's Letter was for Shaymin, not Manaphy. --Crimsonnavy 10:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Type

Victini's type is Psychic/Fire.

(image taken from Yahoo Japan's Pokémon page) --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 12:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I've updated it for him.. Sorry Sol if you mind! --S2daam 13:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, can someone please change the type effectiveness to this to match the type:

{{DP type effectiveness| type1=Psychic| type2=Fire| Normal= 100 | Fighting= 50 | Flying= 100 | Poison= 100 | Ground= 200 | Rock= 200 | Bug= 100 | Ghost= 200 | Steel= 50 | Fire= 50 | Water= 200 | Grass= 50 | Electric= 100 | Psychic= 50 | Ice= 50 | Dragon= 100 | Dark= 200 }} ? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 14:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, that picture shows that Victini's ability is Victory Star. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 16:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

In the trivia it says Victini is the only Psycic/fire type. I think it may be a bit to early to call this fact becaus we do not know about all the new pokemon yet. - unsigned comment from EpicShadow (talk • contribs)

I guess that's true. I've commented out the trivia until there's definite evidence. :P ~ solaris 19:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

We could make it say like "Victini is the only currently known Psychic/Fire Pokémon", which leaves a bit more room for Pokémon to be revealed later with the same type combination, we just don't know about them yet. I'm cool with just commenting it out for now though. --ZestyCactus 19:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Redirects

I don't have the authority to creat them, apparently, so should/can someone create the basic redirects. You know, Victini and Victini (Pokemon). Thanks, Samjohn95 00:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

ビクティニ also doesn't redirect to this article, and such. Anyone mind doing that too? Rai Marshall 23:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Origin

I once explained this in the talk page of the Bulbanews article about it, I'm just going to copy and paste what I said here.

"He's going on about a possible origin of Victini. From what I've seen with its appearance AND name, Victini's origin may be derived from the concept of being victorious, possibly a reference that one may feel victorious once obtaining all of the necessary requirements to obtain a certain legendary and then obtaining said legendary. In this case, Victini needs the letter to be obtained.

Further more, it does have a lot of references to the letter V in its appearance. Its ears are V shaped, it has a V shape on its chest, and it's also holding up two fingers. While in America where holding up two fingers would mean 'peace', in Japan doing so would mean victory. So as previously stated, 'V for Victory'. I find all of this to be relevant."

In short, Victini is likely derived from the concept of victory, with some rodent-like features. It could also have some traits of foxes, but I personally believe that its origin is the concept of victory, if anything really. Rai Marshall 00:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

If victory(V) is shown by the finger, it becomes a meaning of two(ni). It seems to relate to the origin of the name of Victi"ni". Sawamular101 01:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

While it can mean two, in any given country, it is also commonly used to refer to as "V for Victory". Even some Americans think that way too. Coupled with the references to V and its species name, I still do believe it is also based on the concept of victory. Rai Marshall 01:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Because Species is a victory Pokemon(しょうりポケモン), your idea is correct.Sawamular101 01:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

A part of origin of Victini. It might be "うさぎリンゴ(usagi ringo /rabbit Apple)".

Usagi ringo is traditionally a popular item for Japanese children’s box lunches. It is guessed that Victini looks like the rabbit because of relating to rabbit-Apple.

Sawamular101 00:33, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm convinced on the rabbit part. Rai Marshall 00:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh right, I've been meaning to add in the usagi ringo origin. Thanks for the reminder. :D 梅子^❀_✿ 01:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Dex Entry

Apparently, we have a confirmed dex entry? I've seen it reported but found no source, so if anyone wants to go looking for that - it should be out there. Me, Hurray! 16:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

"It makes limitless energy inside its body. It releases this energy on any Pokemon who touches it." --Psy_ライダー☮ 16:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It's from CoroCoro. What's the original text, too?--immewnitythemew 18:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Could someone please remove the "no entry yet" box? Or is it supposed to be like that?- unsigned comment from abcboy (talk • contribs)

It'll go away soon. I'm not updating it yet because then it'll go crazy on the other Pokémon pages that have no entry at all. TTEchidna 10:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Promotion-only Pokémon

Since it is activated only by a Nintendo event, why not put it into the Promotion-only Pokémon category? - unsigned comment from HTMLCODER.exe (talk • contribs)

Possibility of the origin

Could all the V's in Victini's design have something to do with the fact that this is Generation V? AdamRS92 01:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

VICTORY not Five Ataro 02:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's possible that it is a small reference to Gen V too, but very unlikely.--Pokélova! 04:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

V

Victini, to me, seems to have the charecteristics of British Prime Minester, Winston Churchill, as 'V for Victory' is his common symbol! - User:Cynthia149 17:03, 14 September 2010