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::::::Well, ok, maybe they were concerned about the Americans of Japanese descent being offended by it (I'm sorry, I really don't understand how they would fear that America would deem it "racist" that they had a japanese character who looked remotely japanese.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ok, maybe they were concerned about the Americans of Japanese descent being offended by it (I'm sorry, I really don't understand how they would fear that America would deem it "racist" that they had a japanese character who looked remotely japanese.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::That being said, it is their "official" reason for not including Brock in the Orange arc of the anime, so I feel that it should be mentioned.  On this page in regards to why Tracey was created, and on Brock's page as to why he was missing during that arc.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 18:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Tracey is hated?

He really doesn't seem to get as much hate as, say, Max or Richie. Even May got more hate back in 2003 than Tracey gets. --FabuVinny T-C-S 22:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I only really see people thinking he's gay or something, and kind of being the 'over there' guy.. not much else, really. As far as I can tell, at least... Tina δ 22:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Where does it say he is "hated?" -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif
Reall late comment but, just look at FanFiction.net. Practically half of the fan fiction about Tracey involves him getting killed. Ugh... I can't stand Tracey haters. --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 09:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Dodrio?

He has a Dodrio? Since when? --Maxim 14:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It's there in the page's history: "He was seen riding one in The Lost Lapras in a flashback scene so don't go automatically erasing it" by Kenji-girl File:Ani282MS.gifNetto-kun TalkFile:Ani445MS.gif 15:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we would know if he still hade it. Cerberus

Which is why it says "Status unknown". If it really is his, for all we know it's being kept at his hometown, wherever that is. --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 08:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Should the reason why Tracey was concieved be mentioned in the Article?

Ok, in light of the Interview with Masamitsu Hidaka about two days ago, he mentioned that the reason why they created Tracey was as a safeguard should Brock be bashed for being a racist character, and since the fanbase's reaction towards Brock was very good in america, they decided to bring Brock back. Should this be mentioned in the article, or at least Brock's article? I mean, the GS ball was allowed in, why not this?

BTW, I'm only allowing the Brock/Tracey thing in because they cover the past. If this was happening in the present or especially the future, I can't add it in since he doesn't really have any influence towards the show as of right now, and besides which, unless I'm mistaken, he doesn't even work on Pokémon anymore.

Weedle Mchairybug 14:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You just said on Misty's talk page that Hidaka is just an animator and he isn't important. So when he's not talking about your favorite character not coming back you find what he says worthy? And how is Brock a racist character? This sounds more far fetched than the interview about Misty.
Also, Brock's influence on America had NOTHING to do with him coming back. He was already back in the anime BEFORE America knew he was gone. Remember, the airing came one year after the original Japanese date, therefore the American fans probably knew nothing about it do to the lack of Internet activity at the time.
This story doesn't hold, therefore I don't think it should be added in. --ケンジガール 19:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
First off, I only said this about Misty because it dealt with a future event (Notice how I didn't jump the gun and edited the Ash article to say that he and pikachu were "confirmed" (quote gesture) to be remaining on the main cast or how I didn't try to edit Butterfree's, Pidgeot's, Primeape's, Lapras's, Larvitar's, and Haunter's Pages to say that they are bound to make an appearance in the future just because he said so). I'm only requesting of this because this dealt with a PAST event. See, since he was dealing with a past event, where the past is done, this has top priority. It's no different than what you guys did with the GS ball and the Celebi articles.
I also take it that you didn't actually read the part about his admission. From the interview:
"This next paragraph is rather interesting. I asked him why they dropped Brock like a rock in the Orange Islands, and if they ever intended on his absence being temporary. He started to explain that they like to “switch up” the cast once in a while, and that was their first time doing it. Then I made sort of a “that’s obvious” face, and he started to talk for quite some time to the translator. The translator began to explain that the Japanese crew felt that Brock might be viewed as racist by the American people because of his eyes, and that they were even fearful of it when Pokemon first came to America. I asked if anyone ever complained, and he said no, but it was just that they were worried someone might eventually. So, they brought in a tall, white, Anglo-looking character to replace him, just to be on the safe side. Going back to the first interview with Mr. Hidaka, he had said they had to consider other countries when Pokemon started to go global, so this mentality fits even here, especially with the whole Jynx incident. So then I asked, “Why did you bring him back?” and he responded that “we realized no one really cared about it and liked Brock, so we brought him back.” It appears that if they had not changed their decision, Professor Ivy might have been Brock’s true soul mate."
The Italic's part dealt with what they thought would have happened in America had Brock still remained in the main cast when it came here (in other words, they replaced him out of paranoia). The bolded part is where they realized that America didn't care about that, and liked brock.
I know you are a fangirl of tracey, but I'm pretty sure this should be mentioned in his article, or at the very LEAST Brock's article. And I'm only allowing this because it covered a PAST event. Had this been a future event or a present event, I won't have easily let it into the article. Weedle Mchairybug 15:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
How exactly are Brock's eyes offensive to Americans? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't pretend that I know the answer, but I can guess that it might have something to do with the... hate to mention it, but... "WWII JAP" stereotype where they are depicted as being womanizers and having slits for eyes. I mean, it was similar to the Jynx controversy, where they deemed Jynx to be an offensive depiction of African Americans just because she had big lips and her face was black (Ironically, that was the only aspect of her body that was even black.) Weedle Mchairybug 15:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The Jynx thing I understand because of the whole Blackface thing. Before African Americans were allowed to be on television shows and movies white people used to paint the skin on their faces black and leave their lips. Such an act is not tolerable in this day and age anymore. But the Brock thing? I would think that perpetuating a Japanese stereotype would more likely offend them, not Americans. It's just confusing to me. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, ok, maybe they were concerned about the Americans of Japanese descent being offended by it (I'm sorry, I really don't understand how they would fear that America would deem it "racist" that they had a japanese character who looked remotely japanese.) Weedle Mchairybug 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
That being said, it is their "official" reason for not including Brock in the Orange arc of the anime, so I feel that it should be mentioned. On this page in regards to why Tracey was created, and on Brock's page as to why he was missing during that arc. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 18:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)