Talk:Tier

Due to a decision to remove an article based entirely on opinions, the current article reflects the definition of each tier, and what they stand for.

Archives

• Archive 1 (discussions from July 3, 2007–October 9, 2008) - Pre-tier
• Archive 2 (discussions from October 9–November 10, 2008) - Pre-tier

The previous archives are related to when the page was an appendix list of actual tiers.

Please

Someone needs to move this article back to the Appendix: name space, where it belongs. Someone please do so. ^Chocolate 02:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

it is no longer an appendix based on opinions, it is a factual page now. -- MAGNEDETH 02:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The Appendix: is for fan stuff that not everyone agrees with. The tiers are by no means official, which is why it should be in the Appendix: name space. ^Chocolate 02:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

uh, yea, thats right. but as you can see, the BP tiers no longer exist. the "Tiers" exist as a term based in the Pokemon community; as in, its a fact they exist. rather than have a giant list that sparked enough debate for the ages, weve gotten rid of it in favor of factual definitions. it was approved by multiple EB members. i fail to see what youre so upset about. -- MAGNEDETH 02:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Precisely, this article is explaining exactly what tiers are, rather than giving a list of where each Pokémon belongs in a tier, which is indeed fandom. There is nothing wrong with this page explaining terms to those who don't know about them. Glinn Mgraw 03:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

A few fixes?

As a competitive battler quite a few things jump out at me as needing fixes.

Ubers: Wobbufet is not uncountable due to CounterCoat (Many others get this combo, Swampert for example) but due to the definition of counter requiring the ability to switch in and the fact that (outside of Batton Pass/U-turn, Shed Shell and another Wobby switching out) nothing can switch into it. It is also not an Uber by all tier lists (the Official Sever on Shoddy allows it in OU matches) so may not be the best choice as an example, but it is interesting so should stay IMO but with a clear mention that it is listed as Uber by many but not all sources.

Wynaut is not banned from OU due to its own battling powers, but rather due to its fully evolved form being Uber. Many lists allow Pre-Evos of Ubers and so allow Wynaut.

Garchomp has been classed as Uber by Smogon and most other lists followed suit, but not all. Also Chompy was banned for many other very complicated reasons which I would think that Bulbapedia would not want to go into (Overcentralization, almost always getting at least 1 kill, extreme popularity, ect). The reasons listed "high stats, movepool, and low amount of weaknesses" could be applyed to many other OUs.

I will post suggestions for the other sections when I have time Eric the espeon 21:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, only the problem with that idea is that we aren't listing the Pokémon in each tier anymore--The Kkllnnator blastoise 21:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)