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:Or, here's a crazy thought, they could just be balls with spikes sticking out of them and not be a reference to anything. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 18:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Or, here's a crazy thought, they could just be balls with spikes sticking out of them and not be a reference to anything. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 18:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:: no need to be pessimist [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Oh snap

Do all the Pokémon in the No Eggs group need the little breeding template to tell that they have no egg moves? If so, I just screwed up royally. --AndyPKMN 11:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. --SnorlaxMonster 15:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank goodness! I had been removing the breeding section from Pokémon in the "No Eggs" group, and then saw that... I thought I had made seven or so counterproductive edits! What a relief! --AndyPKMN 17:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Romanized name

This dudes romanized name is 'Boltroth'

Or Voltroth, Boltoros, Boltlos, Voltloth or Voltlus, as Dogasu says or many other names.--でんのう Zえんし 16:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Not Tornelos cry

In the trivia part, it says that its Tornelos cry that is heard on route 7. I've just been at that part, but it was Voltolos cry I heard, not Tornelos. So that should be removed. --Mattii 16:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

You have a point. Someone must have just mixed up their (admittedly similar) cries. I just removed it. --RiverAura 17:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Official source. Thundurus is based on a Raijin.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.205. Sawamular101 02:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This may be a name source for Thundurus...

I think Thundurus' name also comes from the cloud name "cirrus".
~~LDEJRuff~~ 20:45, 15 April, 2011 (EDT)

Every one of the Kami Trio's names end in -us, and the beginning of Thundurus's name very clearly comes from Thunder. Alt + F4 13:39, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I doubt it. The -us is most likely from Aeolus. ----神智の超龍對話 14:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I doubt it. The kami trio is a collective term to refer to the all-male trio of Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus. They are based on kami in Japanese myth - Fūjin, the kami of wind, Raijin, the kami of thunder, and Inari, the kami of fertility, respectively
While a good guess, we (supposedly?) know what each is based on, so I don't see where Aeolus comes in. Alt + F4 15:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a possible relationship, as Aeolus is the ruler of wind in Greek mythology. Aeolus is written as アイオロス, and the kami trio's Japanese names all end with -ロス. And it really wasn't a guess, I just got the idea from Dogasu. ----神智の超龍對話 16:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Alternative form pic

Here, I have a picture of his other form, I got it from pokebeach, so it may not be reliable. thundurus-sacred-beast-forme.jpg Khimerami 00:59, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

We have all of the images, but thank you. Ataro 01:01, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Reijuu Forme Origin help

Oh boy, I had no trouble with the other two; however, Thundurus seems to be based on multiple animals instead of just one like Landorus and Tornadus.

So far, it is pretty obvious that the Reijuu Formes for the three follows as Landorus = Mammalian (Feline), Tornadus = Avian (Bird) and Thundurus = Reptilian (Lizard.)

While Thundurus has many characteristics of a Lizard, most particularly a Dinosaur/Raptor...it has ears. I don't know if a lizard exists with ears like that, but obviously they're not a typical reptilian feature. I mean Tornadus loses its visible ears in Reijuu forme, because bird don't have ears like that.

I made mention of it also having Centaur-like aspects as well. I know there will be lots and lots of naysayers on the observation, maybe now, maybe not right away, but soon. Likely, sooner or later someone also will pull out the infamous "SPECULATION" card. However, if you take a few seconds to think and look, you'll see it too.

Now it's Horn is very Unicorn like, and I believe there have been a few Unicorn-like Centaurs illustrated at one time or another. It also has horse-shaped ears, you could also argue it has a man (don't know why i wrote hair, the old article said mane) and its body shape looks pretty similar to the centaur statues of old. Plus it's lower body is drastically diffent from its upper body, right at the waist like a Centaur's human body ends, and the horse begins. The only difference is that, instead of walking on hooves, it has reptilian feet.

But here's where it gets even more tricky, someone could easily make the argument that it has electric eel basis...which common sense will tell you why.

Also it could be argued it has rhinoceros aspects as well because they have one horn, and ears. Plus while the Keshin have Genie basis, which come from the middle east, there were probably some rhinoceros somewhere there.

Plus Landorus' mustache became fangs, Tornados' became a beak. So if it has rhinoceros in it, then looking at it's Reijuu form, it could be said that the front of it's mustache is a horn now. (I wrote turned up snout, but the rhinoceros thing didn't pop into my head until wikiing Unicorns)

So, before we set anything into stone; I think we need to weigh all aspect....plus figure out how to word it. Thundurus had to be a punk and be different; Tornados and Landorus' Reijuu Origin were easy because you could copy paste and switch one species for the other.

So everyone wanting to help, go wiki Centaur, Velociraptor, Unicorn, rhinoceros and whatever the Entei else you guys can think of. So good luck and Godspeed, because I got a feeling Thundurus has cursed us with a long and difficult job as Pokéologists. Yamitora1 02:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thundurus looks very much like a Satyr in my opinion. A Faun is another possibility, but the Satyrs depicted on Wikipedia have the long tail, unlike Fauns. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to think that the Reijuu forms are based of the chinese constellation four symbols. With Tornadus being the bird, Landorus being the Tiger and Thundurus being the Dragon.--ForceFire 03:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't believe I forgot all about Satyrs when I have a sketch book with an entire water starter evolution line based on them. Anyways I think you are correct in that assumption Force Fire. Dragon would be a very accurate description. Although I have a feeling more people will accept it being a abomination of a lizard and a Satyr over it being just a dragon without being a dragon-type.
Well whatever the case, I agree that they seem based on the four benevolent animals, so that should be added to the Origins of all the Kami trio. Also, we might need to watch the Landorus article. it doesn't take a psychic-type to foresee that people will question his mastership with the possibility of a 4th kami in gen 6. Yamitora1 03:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thunder is just God bowling in Heaven

I was looking over the descriptions I wrote for Thunderus' Physiology way back when we were first allowed to edit Bulbapedia again, and something about his tail description (no pun intended) sparked memories of an Old saying; "Thunder is just God bowling in Heaven."

So, here's my question to you all...would it be considered too speculative to say that the ball-like structures spanning the length of his tail could be based on bowling balls in the Origin section? Yamitora1 (talk) 14:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I have never heard that saying before, and Googling "Thunder is just God bowling in Heaven" (with quotes) only brings up two pages of results, meaning that (at least phrased that way) it is not a very common saying. I think it is far too speculative to put that. --SnorlaxMonster 14:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC) sui
It's also sometimes Angels and not God, since bowling usually takes more than one person/deity; Using angels instead gets a lot more hits on Google. Jesus can also be used, it just depends on some factors. Sometimes its even "[deity] playing drums."
You might not have heard it since many shows have been censored to be PC and not offend Atheist and people of other religions. Also, it depends on what the show thanks would be more relevant. Bowling is kind of a dead (somewhat boring) sport that has seen a decline in popularity, while drums have more staying power. Despite this, thunder and deitys involvement go hand in hand. Yamitora1 (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
In regards to Google: No results found for "Thunder is just Jesus bowling in Heaven" and "Thunder is just angels bowling in Heaven" gives me five results. I think it is more likely not used as it is not commonplace rather than censored to be PC; besides, there are plenty or religious references in television (just not anything 4Kids gets their hands on). If the drum option is more common, then I don't see what relevance this has to Thundurus. Yes deities are often related to thunder—Thundurus is based on Raijin, the kami of lightning—but it doesn't seem to be relevant to the balls being related to bowling. --SnorlaxMonster 16:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

its not just something from TV, its something parents would tell their kids so they didn't fear lightning/thunderstorms as much. Sometimes people even related the two based on the familiarities of sound between thunder and bowling. Yes it's seen a recline in usage, but its still a common thing even if you've never heard of it. Maybe if you ask a older family member they might verify it for you?

Also I was giving you a history on the saying, the drum thing is just one incarnation. And it could be argued that the balls are drum hammers, but that's beside the point.

I'm getting tons of results, I don't know why you seem to be getting so few. I even got results for comics by cartoonist like you would see in a magazine or newspaper. You might be having issues with filters and/or censorship in your region? All i know is that I'm getting quite a few results, even with just the open phrase "Thunder is just the sound" Yamitora1 (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you Googling with the quotes or without them? Because that will massively skew the results. Anyway, I don't think the idea of it being bowling to prevent children from being scared really transfers into a Pokémon having balls on it; it is also something that the Japanese designers are unlikely to know about. --SnorlaxMonster 17:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Google links for reference: "Thunder is just Jesus bowling in Heaven", "Thunder is just God bowling in Heaven", "Thunder is just angels bowling in Heaven" --SnorlaxMonster 17:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm googling without the quotes, but I see that on your end they are limiting your results. Guess you're right on the japanese designers likely not knowing the mostly US saying.

Well, if not blowing balls, maybe they're drum stick heads? I know the Japanese use those Taiko and other drums in ceremonies. clipart-illustration-asian-japanese-drummer-man-beating-yellow-drum-with-sticks.jpg

Plus Raijin is depicted beating drums to make thunder. Yamitora1 (talk) 17:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Or, here's a crazy thought, they could just be balls with spikes sticking out of them and not be a reference to anything. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 18:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
no need to be pessimist Yamitora1 (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)