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Other possible inspirations?

Couple of observations that have been pointed out to me that may have also been part of the inspiration for the quartet. In France, where the Musketeer stories originate, there's a variation of Rock, Paper, Scissors which includes a fourth option: Well. It may be coincidence, but the primary types of the Musketeer quartet seem to reflect this. Rock, Steel/Scissors, Grass/Paper, and Water/Well. Another, slightly more unlikely proposition I've heard is that the four are based upon the four horsemen, with their livestock basis being a nod towards Arceus'[the God or creator] design as an equine creature. Kobaruon would be Conquest; Terakion, War; Birijion, Famine [its pokedex entry specifying it trifles with opponents, implying a slow demise]; and Keldeo, Death.

Should these possible influences be considered and added to the article at some point? When it comes to design inspiration, most pages tend to take liberties, especially with the newer Pokémon. In any case, I felt the two observations were worth bringing up. Tindil 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The Rock-Scissors-Paper thing makes a lot of sense to me. Seems like a valid connection.--Podunk  07:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Different name?

Okay, so, before, I know, the lake guardians were called by us the lake trio. And now with Gen V being new, this is the musketeer trio. One problem there, though.


So I propose naming this page either musketeer ungulates (goes with the rest of the non-mascot trios, which don't use trio in their name), or legendary ungulates. And yes, I do intend for you guys to stop linking to them at every damned chance. TTEchidna 19:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It's called the three musketeers hence why it's a trio remember, Keldeo(d'Artagnan) isn't considered one yet as he's a new member and Keldeo being based on him should have the same treatment Ataro 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
This is still a dumb name. TTEchidna 16:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I get an odd feeling to rant about how Keldeo doesn't belong, but something tells me that would get me banned again. So rather than ranting, I'll just list what discludes Keldeo.

  • Exhibit A) MASS distance; seven Pokédex slots between Terrakion (last in the lineup) and Keldeo.
  • Exhibit B) Altered learnset; knows Aqua Jet rather than Quick Attack, learns Sacred Sword at 43 rather than 42, and is the only one to learn Sword of Mystery.
  • Exhibit C) Obtain method; the others roam, and Keldeo is an event Pokémon

To think that I inverbally supported the dragons but am disaproving of musketeer junior here. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 01:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

1)You mean Virizion.

2) god forbid it learns something different

3) It's the youngest so it takes longer to learn. and Sword of Mystery is an event so it doesn't count

4) your point? Ataro 01:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that last part was me just thinking out loud... or something like that. And just because we're making an anology to a story/legend doesn't mean we need to link together every little bit of the story/legend to Pokémon. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 02:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, Keldeo is event-exclusive, so yes, Sword of Mystery does, in a way, count. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 02:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hm... Musketeers doesn't make much sense unless you know the origin, and even then Keldeo doesn't really count, even though it's definitely a counterpart. On the other hand, ungulates is very vague and lame; what would we do if another trio were based on ungulates? We'd have another "Dragon Trio" on our hands. I would lean toward Legendary Musketeers: it's not perfect, but it's the best I can think of. --AndyPKMN 14:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm totally with TTE on this one (I actually came to this page to request a move). Sure, it's not a member of the trio, but it is closely related. We could call it "legendary musketeers", "musketeer Pokémon", "musketeer ungulates" or "legendary ungulates". As TTE mentioned, only box legends get trio, and there can be considered to be four of these. Also, unless it was officially stated that they are inspired by the musketeers, this is a poor title choice. "Legendary ungulates" seems to be the best choice. --SnorlaxMonster 02:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
"Ungulates" isn't going to garner favor or use. "Trio" is also not exclusive to box mascot trios; that's simply how it's happened so far (the Raijin/Kami trio will break it if the Three Musketeers don't). How hard is it to call them the Musketeer Quartet? They're going to be called the "musketeers" for short by the rest of the fandom, no matter which name is used here, ultimately. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 02:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
But it's debateable whether there re 3 or 4 of them, so just not mentioning it is better. Calling them the "Legendary Musketeers" seems to solve this problem. --SnorlaxMonster 12:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remove Keldeo from the article

Just because it's another Fighting legendary doesn't mean the trio is a quartet. Besides, it's not confirmed. Bwburke94 16:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

ahahahahaha no. Keldeo has a connection to the other three (and yes it happens in game) and it was adopted by them Ataro 16:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Trio Master

If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma. I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

A Pokémon that is a trio master is one who, in some way, oversees a legendary trio of Pokémon. Keldeo does this in no way, as he is the least experienced of the group. Just because he breaks the conventions of the other three, that doesn't make him the master. --jda95 03:39, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Legendary musketeers

Is someone approves of this move, say I. Since there are four members, its more likely. Duo2nd 10:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Since it is debatable whether or not Keldeo is part of the trio, it is better to not mention it. --SnorlaxMonster 06:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I guess there's a difference between "Musketeer Trio" and "The Three Musketeer". They are not a trio, but they are "The Three Musketeer", get it? I mean, the name "Three Musketeer" is about the original three and a friend who came after. Making a gross comparison, it's the same difference between United States of America and America's states united. The latter would be a union of all states all over the continent, and the first is a country's name, although not all states of the America got together to build a country. Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp) 22:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Les Trois Mousquetaires

Les Trois Mousquetaires (The Three Musketeer) is a novel by Alexandre Dumas. It talks about Three men and one friend of them, the younger D'Artagnan. So, what's the problem with the name? That perfectly fits the story--TheFaither 19:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

People are literal with their numbers. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Official source. based on a The Three Musketeers.

It is being described by Nintendo Dream vol.204. Sawamular101 19:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)