Talk:Pokémon category

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Should ??????????'s species (UNKNOWN POKEMON) be added?

I don't think so. It's not in any of the other lists of Pokémon, because it's not really a Pokémon, just blank data. --TTEchidna 23:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Should Pokémon with the same classification be together?

Example: Pikachu and Rattata, Mouse Pokémon. --Stinkoman

I think it'd be a cool idea to add the same species together like that, but then we'd get some strange ones, like Chansey and Exeggcute who are both "Egg Pokémon" and Lanturn and Ampharos, both "Light Pokémon". I'm all up for it, though, it'd be interesting to see how many Pokémon share the same species name. --Someone Else 02:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Just make it a sortable list... TTEchidna^G_SDS! 06:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I made the page List of Pokémon by species, which does just that. --Someone Else 17:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not a sortable list... That's... that's... I don't even know what to call that. I said sortable, not sort them into it. You know, sortable, like the List of Berries by growth time or something. TTEchidnaFire echy 20:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right. Uh, okay. I guess the new page wasn't totally necessary then... Though it doesn't hurt to have Pokémon sorted like that, does it? --Someone Else 22:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's really not good to have a page with 355 sections... that will likely grow as the generations go on. I'll fix it. TTEchidnaFire echy 01:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

STILL FIXING IT! TTEchidnaFire echy 02:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

DONE FIXING IT! It unprotects itself in about seven hours, not that anyone will need to add stuff to it for another year or so. TTEchidnaFire echy 03:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Thanks for fixing the page. Now the whole world will be able to see how Igglybuff, Qwilfish and Drifloon are all related to each other...amongst other things. --Someone Else 03:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. TTEchidnaFire echy 03:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Species length

The article says species are always ten characters or less. I think, if you do a little research, you'll find they're twelve characters tops, not ten. --Kyoufu Kawa 19:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems like someone confused them with Pokémon names. TTEchidna 21:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

A friend did exactly that when I talked about this very mistake. I accept this explanation. --Kyoufu Kawa 18:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article mention how, in FireRed and LeafGreen, the species length was shorter, so that Squirtle and Pidgey, for example, had the same species - Tiny Pokémon - rather than the true species names of Tiny Turtle and Tiny Bird? Satosuke 02:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. TTEchidna 03:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

TTEchidna, look on Moldy orange's page.--☆Tavisource 03:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait... for my clone game, I ripped the PokéDex data from Fire Red (US version) and my data file says "Tiny Turtle" and "Tiny Bird". --Kyoufu Kawa 19:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing more trustable than Game Data ripped by Kawa. Kawa is the man! --Maxim 19:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's in the data file, certainly, but something's screwed up in the dex where it only displays the first word. TTEchidna 20:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Great Scott! ...wait, does this mean Weedle is a "hairy Pokémon"? --Kyoufu Kawa 18:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Quick question: Are there any examples of 12-character species? I can only find 11-character ones (including "Tinyswallow" for Taillow, which probably should have a space to make it better - is there a reason there's no space?). Does the 12-character limit include the space between the species name and "Pokémon"? ~ Serial Colour 00:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Quickish answer: there are twelve bytes per species name. This is 11 characters, plus the terminating null byte. The space between that and "Pokémon" is a part of the latter. --Kyoufu Kawa 16:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Japanese species name?

Would it be alright if we added on the Pokémon's Japanese species name? --ケンジのガール 07:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I dont see why not.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Trivia

"Pidgey's Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen species names are not the same in each version. FireRed labels Pidgey as the "Tiny Bird Pokémon" (as do the Pokédex listings of other generations); however, LeafGreen erroneously defines it as the "Tiny Pokémon"." I checked Fire Red 1.0, 1.1 and Leaf Green 1.0. All three list Pidgey as a "Tiny Bird" in the database. This is probably related to the bug described in "Species length" above, where the space is counted as a terminator. I'm deleting it, if you don't mind. --Kyoufu Kawa 17:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Quick update: Emerald 1.0, Ruby 1.1 and Sapphire 1.1 also list it as "Tiny Bird". --Kyoufu Kawa 17:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

MAGNEDETH checked that before I posted it; and it was brought up on our "dispute resolution" page. It may just differ from location to location. I'll check with him. —darklordtrom 07:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

i have LeafGreen, i checked it myself, it says Tiny Pokemon. -- MAGNEDETH 07:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Good. Now go read the "Species length" part on this very talk page. The whole section, please. --Kyoufu Kawa 11:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, in that section you tell us why the maximum number is only eleven characters. "Tiny Bird" fits in those eleven characters. We have proof that the exclusion is in LeafGreen only; perhaps some versions of LeafGreen only. There are other double-barrel species names in FRLG, such as "Poison Bee", yet that isn't cut short. It's just Pidgey. —darklordtrom 22:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"Perhaps some versions of LeafGreen only" is right. It seems, of the three games I tried, both 1.1 versions (FR -and- LG) show the full name, while FR 1.0 cuts it off. If only I had an English LG 1.0 to check... --Kyoufu Kawa 16:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

my LG is 1.0, it says "Tiny Pokemon" -- MAGNEDETH 16:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for confirming my theory. If you'd like to restore that trivia section, please reword it as a bug that's fixed in 1.1. --Kyoufu Kawa 15:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Major problem

The sprites on this page link to, say, Cubone rather than Cubone (Pokémon). Somebody fix it, I'm in the middle of something. CuboneKing (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) 03:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I congratulate whoever finished the job I started on today. I need to go somewhere today and I started to finish the species list, and I came back today to find it finished. Thank you. Pokemonemerfan1954 02:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Species Names

Should we not have the japanese species names here too? (someone brought this up a while ago) XVuvuzela2010X 06:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Done for Gen V, based on a version of this article from just after the Japanese release. Unfortunately, I have no source for older species as there were never versions of this article including those. --LaprasBoi 18:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I think some of the Gen IV Pokemon may have their Japanese species names in their respective page's history, since Bulbapedia goes back to 2005. XVuvuzela2010X 18:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... if you go through and make a list, I will incorporate it into the table, otherwise getting around to it may take a while. --LaprasBoi 00:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Split

Who split this, when, and why? I plan to unsplit it soon, as splitting breaks sorting, and the ability to sort and see which unrelated Pokémon share species classifications is probably the most interesting thing about this list. --LaprasBoi 18:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --LaprasBoi 00:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese translations

So, I've added all of the Japanese species names, along with literal translations (I also got rid of the Japanese Pokémon name column, which didn't appear to serve any purpose). Now, My Japanese vocabulary isn't great, and some of these terms are obscure, so I've been referring to dictionaries a lot. I'm confident about most of them, but I'd appreciate someone more proficient in Japanese checking a few of them. Specifically, Tangela/Tangrowth, Lickitung/Lickilicky, the entire Spheal family, and Yanma gave me problems, with either all or part of the species posing problems for me. There may be a few others, too.

Note that many of these species names are also puns that don't really translate well: Audino is both the Hearing and the Healing Pokémon, while Azurill's species name can be read as both "Polka Dot" and "Water Ball". There's also a weird situation with Flygon: its species name can mean both "Dragonfly" or more commonly "Spirit/Soul". However, the official translation is "Mystic", because the same term was also used as Xatu's species name, and for whatever reason, that got translated as "Mystic", so they've used the same odd translation again, apparently not noticing the pun.

I'm also aware that some English species names have been changed slightly over the years, mostly due to the expanded character limit. It would be good if we could include these. The only Japanese species that changed (to my knowledge) is Porygon's, which I've included, though I don't know at what point it was changed. Bikini Miltank 15:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)