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::::Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for r is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト, Schumaker is シュメイカー, etc. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for ar/er is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト, Schumaker is シュメイカー, etc. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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Given that the "ja" means "snake" (acording to Pokebeach), I think it is safe to assume that Tsutaaja is based on a snake. Mind putting that in the page? --Deuxhero 00:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Tsutaaja is the くさへびポケモン (Grass Snake Pokémon). Tsuta (蔦) means ivy and Ja is another reading for hebi (蛇), which means snake.--KurowaSan 01:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How many snakes do you know have feet? I doubt that is a correct translation. MaverickNate 01:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The translation is pretty accurate, the source may be not. But the source has nailed the description of the protagonists, the region name, the fact that the other starters were a fire pig and a sea otter before the scans leaked... And I have seen freaky snakes with legs.. XD Mutations nonetheless. And that would be "Grass Snake" as in a snake of/from grass, not as in the real world species "Grass Snake".--KurowaSan 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There actually is a type of snake with legs, albeit really small ones. It's native to Australia, if I remember right. I know they have one at the Cairns Zoo, anyway. Reign 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus this doesn't have feet, but it looks like tsutaaja Kanjo 12:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxybelis_fulgidus I would sooner assume Tsutaaja is based off of a Vine Snake. In fact, I'd say it's fairly definite. Flint 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I think Origin should just mention grass snakes (green kind mostly) instead of getting very technical with species, seeing as there is far too many snakes that Tsutaaja may be based on. And maybe that early tidbit of a very few snakes having legs could also be mentioned. And is it just me, or does the collar it has kinda makes it resemble an unripened banana? Mudkipchan 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

bad grammar in the Origin section

Can we fix this?: "Tsutaaja may be based off a lizard or a snake. Its shared traits with boths make it similar to skinks." It should be "... with both makes it similar...". my dictionary and i are fairly sure "boths" isn't a word and the grammar in that sentence is atrocious anyway. --Lulu chan126 22:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

images

Uhh, I have the three guys images saved, to upload, if a mod can do that... [1][2][3] Megadog 05:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

As do I, but I Beilieve the Admin isn't allowing editing for those Images . . . not that any are even there. --Lordrogersmith6485 07:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I've seen them on Legendary Pokémon fan site. Not sure if it is okay to use them. Kevzo8 13:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
sprites too, along with zoroark's...[4] - unsigned comment from Megadog (talkcontribs)

height

the height and weight of it is 0.6 m and 8.1 kg - unsigned comment from Pokemonemerfan1954 (talkcontribs)

Got a source that isn't Serebii? —darklordtrom 10:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Filb.de, trom. Kevzo8 13:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Acceptable Speculation?

Is it alright to add in details that have been present for all of the Pokemon starters so far; such as EXP At Level 100, EXP Yield, and Gender Ratio? After four generations of Pokemon games having them identical, it's highly unlikely to be different this time. Plasma 11:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Passing off unsourced speculation as fact is bad. —darklordtrom 11:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
You say that, but the starters all have National Dex numbers (494, etc.). Where does that information come from? I know it's an educated guess, but at the moment it's still just a guess. The same goes for the types - do we know they're all pure types? ~ Serial Colour 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
We know at least one of their types. So we put that. TTEchidna 18:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Name romanization

Why are we romanizing the name as "Tsutaaja"? Manual of style/Romanization states that macrons should be used instead of doubling letters, unless the trademarked romanization begs to differ. And there is no trademarked romanization (I scoured the trademark database last night) - we don't even have official confirmation that these are the starters' names.

I mean, I personally don't like macrons, but shouldn't we romanize it as "Tsutāja," as per the MoS? 梅子 17:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Most people would link to the redirect anyway... TTEchidna 17:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't we just call it Tsutaja? When Pocchama was first revealed it was just romanized as Pochama on this site. T a r o m o n 21:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
It's not going to stick this way anyway, I'd just leave it. Unless we rename the page Smugleaf. - MK (t/c) 03:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
No, we should use this name 'tsutaaja' till we don't gate its official English name..! -Amitrc7th
FYI, this site would prefer to use trademarked romaji if it's available. We never romanized ポッチャマ as Potchama or Pocchama because we were given both the official katakana and the official romaji (Pochama) on the same day. We should have official romaji soon, and I'm pretty sure that no official romaji has ever used a macron, so this whole issue should be a moot point soon. Drapion 06:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Height and Weight

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.6m (2ft)

Weight: 8.1kg (17.9Ibs) --Dialgafan1 00:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, you don't really have to look at pokebeach for that one. You can just look at the scans. XD
But yeah, those (in metric system) are accurate. And I don't really understand why haven't anyone added those. o_O They added the ability and species, but those are on the very same scan as height and weight. Also, the name origin is pretty much a given already. Can someone add all those, please?--KurowaSan 04:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


In the anime

Tsutarja, is a reptile-based Grass-type starter Pokémon. Since Ash Ketchum (Satoshi) has captured all the Grass-type starters and most of reptile-like Pokémons, it is highly possible that he will get this Pokémon somehow in Black and White saga (if he is going to appear in this anime saga). -Amitrc7th

That's speculation. Bulbapedia has rules against speculation, so it won't be added to the page until he catches it (if he does). By the way, please put new comments at the bottom of the page. Werdnae (talk) 08:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Please bring these conversation to the forums.--ForceFire 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

Here's the sprite I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: Dialgafan1 18:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

This needs to be moved.

To Tsutāja. You know, long a's and stuff. vik0z0z 19:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe that the reason the article is at Tsutaaja for the time being is that we want to avoid using extraneous characters whenever possible in page titles. For some reason, it puts a strain on the server. At least, that's what I recall us deciding awhile back... I could be wrong, though. Either way, the double "a" indicates the same sound without the special character. --P o L i 19:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Origin

Haven't you noted Tsutaaja's striking resemblance to this gecko? A reptile with a tail that looks like a leaf. It has rather huge eyes, too, just like Tsutaaja. - D-Wheel 21:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Eh it's a possibility, but since it's a "snake" Pokémon I doubt it...«ιɴмɴιαc» 07:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
But do we have any snakes that also have a leaf-like tail? Sure snakes with legs exist, but Tsutaaja does seem to have characteristics of both snakes and lizards. I don't think this debate will ever end... Mudkipchan 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey look, it's a Treecko. ~m190049~talk 00:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Physiology

"Tsutaaja is a Grass-type lizard-like Pokémon. " That should read "Tsutaaja is a Grass-type Snake Pokemon" or "snake-like Pokemon"

It's Japanese name and species name clearly define it as a snake, regardless of whether or not it has legs, officially, it is a snake. -Daisuke

Appearance wise, it's a lizard.--ForceFire 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Not necesarilly. There are types of snakes with legs. If anyone has a list of animals at Cairns Zoo in Queensland, Australia, they have them there. Reign 08:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Name dispute

As stated here, http://www.pokabu.com/ and http://www.mijumaru.com/ are both correctly registered by TPCi, but there's no tsutaaja.com. There is a correctly registered http://www.tsutarja.com/ though. This is the closest we'll get right now to a trademarked name, and this romanization has been used on other sites before. Should this be changed?--immewnitythemew 18:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Meh, I say keep it as it is, and create Tsutarja as a redirect. CuboneKing 18:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
How come? That was a fandone romanization, while this one's official.--immewnitythemew 18:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Aren't all romanizations fandone at heart? CuboneKing 18:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
...no... It's called trademarked romaji.--immewnitythemew 19:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Hm, it seems then that it is Tsutarja. TTEchidna 20:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

As well, Filb is calling the Pokémon Tsutāja. Is this just another romanization of the name? –MasterKenobi 05:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes. 梅子 05:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I still don't understand. It's written Tsutaaja, on the show they pronounce it Tsutaaja, there's no other way to read it than Tsutaaja...But they call its Tsutarja? There's a big difference. If it was Tsutarja, it would probably be ツタアルジャ, not ツタアージャ. --Raktoner 19:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
No, that is not how it works. 梅子 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
They did pronounce it as "tah-jah" on Pokemon Sunday though. If that means anything. ~m190049~talk 23:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Five char limit in Pokemon, even if they changed the limit for JP games... it wouldn't be ツタアージャ (romanized as "Tsutaa'aja", I believe?), and "アー" can be romanized as an "ar" sometimes. Also... I'm pretty sure they also pronounced "Pocket Monsters" as "poketto monsutaa" on Pokesun (from what I can hear anyway, they talk too faaaaaast). So yeah. D: ▫▫ティナ 00:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually there isn't a big difference between Tsutaaja and Tsutarja. It's called a non-rhotic r. You may have noticed that people from London or Boston tend to not pronounce the letter r when it's and the end of a word or before a consonant. Well, in Japanese the r sound can only ever come before a vowel, so when the letter r is at the end of a word or before a consonant they tend to approximate the sound with a long a, sometimes written aa. Take my name, Peter, for example. Someone from London or Boston would probably drop the r sound at the end, and likewise the Japanese approximate it as ピーター and pronounce it Piitaa. R's before consonants or at the ends of words are almost always approximated by a long a and not a ル. - unsigned comment from Drapion (talkcontribs)
Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--Pokélova! 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --Raktoner 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for ar/er is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト, Schumaker is シュメイカー, etc. - MK (t/c) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)