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:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
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:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

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This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between Raichu and Honouguma, Cyndaquil? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - Ferret 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - Ferret

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto. Firemaker

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on Fake Pokémon. - Pokencyclopedia


Validity issues

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - Ferret 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - 振霖T 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --Argy 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Commentary issues

Unnamed mammal

The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth

Really? I definately see some Wigglytuff in there! FabuVinny 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of Snubbull. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --Pie ~ 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurusu

This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet

Alpha kurusu.png086Seel.png
--FabuVinny 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed turtle

A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.

Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --FabuVinny 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

What website are those pictures from?--Ambipom--

Other names and additional info

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out? --Jurgen200--

Check out this list...

  • 152 Chikorita Chicolita
  • 153 Bayleef Beifiru
  • 154 Meganium Meganiumi
  • 155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
  • 156 Quilava Magumarashi
  • 157 Typhlosion Bakufun
  • 158 Totodile Waninoko
  • 159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
  • 160 Feraligatr Odairu
  • 161 Sentret Otachi
  • 162 Furret Ootachi
  • 163 Hoothoot Hoho
  • 164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
  • 165 Ledyba Rediba
  • 166 Ledian Redeian
  • 167 Spinarak Itomaru
  • 168 Araidos Araidosu
  • 169 Kurobat Kuroba
  • 170 Chinchou Chonchi
  • 171 Lanturn Rantan
  • 172 Pichu Pichu
  • 173 Cleffa Pi
  • 174 Igglybuff Pupurin
  • 175 Togepi Togepi
  • 176 Togetic Togechikku
  • 177 Natee Neitei
  • 178 Natotem Neiteio
  • 179 Mareep Meripu
  • 180 Skiploom Mokoko
  • 181 Centerity Denryu
  • 182 Bellossom Kireihana
  • 183 Marill Mariru
  • 184 Azumarill Mariruri
  • 185 Sudowoodo Usokki
  • 186 Politoed Myorotono
  • 187 Hoppip Hane
  • 188 Flaffy Popo
  • 189 Jumpluff Watakko
  • 190 Aipom Eipamu
  • 191 Sunkern Himanattsu
  • 192 Sunflora Kimawari
  • 193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
  • 194 Ampharos Upa
  • 195 Quagsire Nuoh
  • 196 Espeon Efui
  • 197 Umbreon Burakki
  • 198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
  • 199 Slowking Yadoking
  • 200 Trillix Muuma
  • 201 ????? Annon
  • 202 Crashin Sonansu
  • 203 Girafarig Kirinriki
  • 204 Skarmory Kunugidama
  • 205 Forretress Fuoretosu
  • 206 Duglari Nokocchi
  • 207 Gligar Guraiga
  • 208 Steelix Haganeru
  • 209 Snubbull Buru
  • 210 Granbull Guranburu
  • 211 Wobbuffet Harisen
  • 212 Scizor Hassamu
  • 213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
  • 214 Heracross Herakuroso
  • 215 Misdreavus Nyuura
  • 216 Moonlite Himeguma
  • 217 Soloar Ringuma
  • 218 Slugma Magumaggu
  • 219 Magcargo Magukarugo
  • 220 Swinub Urimu
  • 221 Sirnub Inomu
  • 222 Corsola Sanigo
  • 223 Remoraid Teppouo
  • 224 Octillery Okutan
  • 225 Delibird Deribado
  • 226 Mantine Maintain
  • 227 Wooper Eamudo
  • 228 Houndour Derubiru
  • 229 Houndoom Heruga
  • 230 Kingdra Kingudora
  • 231 Phanpy Gomazou
  • 232 Donphan Donfuyan
  • 233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
  • 234 Stantler Odoshishi
  • 235 Artibull Doburu
  • 236 Hitmontot Baruki
  • 237 Hitmontop Kapoera
  • 238 Smoochum Muchura
  • 239 Elekid Erekid
  • 240 Magby Bubii
  • 241 Miltank Mirutanku
  • 242 Blissey Hapinasu
  • 243 Raikou Raikou
  • 244 Entei Entei
  • 245 Suicune Suikun
  • 246 Larvitar Yogirasu
  • 247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
  • 248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
  • 249 Lugia Lugia
  • 250 Ho-Oh Houou
  • 251 Selebi Serebeii

Source --Ambipom--

Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --TTEchidna 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.
So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)
There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.
I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. Zdododododo 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT] http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in] http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex] http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list] http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"] http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn] http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado] http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion] http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign] http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw] http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2 http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol] http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) Jurgen200


I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett. Firemaker

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- unsigned comment from Nobody777 (talkcontribs)

Crashin (Sonansu) is Wobbuffet, Trillix (Muuma) is Misdreavus, and ????? (Annon) is Unown. (Yaminokame 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

Is honouguma somehow related to the Pikachu and Marill, much like the three birds?

183Marill.pngAlpha honouguma.png025Pikachu.png
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - Yukushi wisdom 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Yeah, I see one. TTEchidna 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah... SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Unown

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

  • They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
  • I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
  • The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --Maxim 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

"2v2" Template?

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? Theininen 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been taken care of. --ニョロトノ666 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Theininen 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

octorok comment

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zeldaWhatswithalltheextraspace 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)Zdododododo 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Page Title

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--KukiTalk 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? Lucentas 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. Glinn Mgraw 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu..

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? Lovely Rose 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Charizard..

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. Lovely Rose 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --Maxim 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

unnamed turtle

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for Squirtle? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Starters?

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? Taromon 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone remember this?

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--Midnight Blue 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--Nobody777 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Torchic and blaziken beta art

From did that art come from???--Nobody777 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --Maxim 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--Nobody777 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about- I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it. ThePoketrix 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. ~ solaris 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --Maxim 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Who is that?

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? Flyingtypefan 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--Pokélova! 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone else think so? Flyingtypefan 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --Maxim 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--Pokélova! 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
It's at a:File:Latias_Latios.png. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --AndyPKMN 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--Pokélova! 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Should she be referenced to then? - unsigned comment from Lovely Rose (talkcontribs)

Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle?

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. FrozenStrategy 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think. http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

Vuvuzela2010 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: here. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - MK (t/c) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. TTEchidna 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - MK (t/c) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)