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I put up the cleanup sign because I noticed the ExtremeSpeed mispellings, etc... >>; Tina δ 02:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I wasn't sure of the necessary tags used and which headings and whatever was called for. This is my first page ever created and I was surprised to not find this topic already. After I get this done in a clear and concise way, I'll most likely list all moves in each of the three tiers and start linking to this page on each of the priority based move's pages. --ZellMurasame 03:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Thats only the R/S priority. The others i will do soon--DCM((Shut the **** upSpy on My Edits))

Little check

If Trick Room is in effect, is it that almost any move can attack a retreating Pokémon? I understand that Trick Room reverses the priority of switching Pokémon to -6, so all moves except Pursuit hit. :P UltimateSephiroth (user · talk · contrib) 21:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Er, what?--The Kkllnnator blastoise 21:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't think so. Trick Room only reverses who goes first during the turn if the moves are the same priority. If two Pokémon were to use Quick Attack during Trick Room, for example, the slower of the two would go first.--BlazevoirTalk Contribs 21:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Things of Priority

How about the ability Stall, If the user has Stall and the enemy use Trick Room, is it mean that the Staller will still acting last??? if it is yes, I think it should mentioned too, although it is not a move.....LOL......Also, Why create a priority "-2" that didn't have any move occupied???I think it should be removed, and the other decreased priority move should be moved to a higher priority. (yap, I am bad in mention things.....LOL)- unsigned comment from chungkingpun (talkcontribs)

Well, I assume the -2 priority was programed in, incase they come up with new attacks with a -2 priority. And please sign with the four tildes (~) The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 14:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
OK.i just forgot to sign.........Well.....How about Stall....(I just migrate my Sableye from my Sapphire recently...) --chungkingpun 01:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
1) Stall ignores Trick Room and causes the Pokémon with Stall to still go last in its priority bracket. However, I don't know if that should be mentioned in this article, since it's not really an issue of priority. I'll put it on the Stall page.
2) I don't know why the -2 priority exists in the game, but it exists here because it is in the game data. — Laoris (Blah) 16:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
OK,thanks of it.....and I am curious about the two item: Full Incense and Lagging Tail....both said they forced the user to go last....so I checked about their "priority"(although they are items....though).....both items "priority" are beside Normal moves and Vital Throw.(As my Makuhita use Vital Throw, my pokemon that have Full Incense or Lagging is still attack first as it using a normal priority move).....so I better mention both item that there priority are "-0.5"..xp....shouldn't we mentioned about both?--chungkingpun 02:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, they're not really -0.5 priority, because they cause a Pokémon to go last in any priority bracket. For instance, a Pokémon holding Full Incense and using Quick Attack will still go before another Pokémon using Tackle but after all other Pokémon using Quick Attack, so in this instance the priority might be considered to be +0.5. Maybe you could say that the items effectively subtract 0.5 priority from the holder's moves. I don't know whether the game actually does this, though. — Laoris (Blah) 04:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Items.

Should items be on there as +8? I know it says 'moves' but switching is on there... --Sivart345 03:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Seconding question. Chosen of Mana --- 21:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Items aren't +8, not even a Quick Claw. The reason for this is because most are used right after an attack (berries, Focus Sash/Band, Life Orb, etc.), during an attack (more berries, Quick Claw, etc.), or are infused in the attack (King's Rock, Expert Belt, etc.). R.A. Hunter B. 16:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Items are +6 just like switching out. It's just that switching out activates a clause in Pursuit that gives it a +7 priority instead of a +0 one. TTEchidna 19:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I was talking about items like potion... --Sivart345 20:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm.... I actually don't know. I haven't ever had anything happen where I've used a potion and somebody changes out. I know that the player always can use a potion before a NPC, and that you can switch out Pokémon before they use one, but yeah... R.A. Hunter B. 21:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... --Sivart345 07:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I know I'm a little late in answering this, but whenever I switch out both my Pokémon in the Seven Stars Restaurant against the item-using trainers, one of my Pokémon switches out before they use the item, and the other switches out afterwards, so they seem to be the same priority-wise. I have already added it to the page.--RiverAura 23:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

ExtremeSpeed

Isn't ExtremeSpeed faster than the other increased-priority moves? Doesn't it have a higher priority itself, then? --((Marton imos)) 07:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

All right, so no, it isn't. --((Marton imos)) 07:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

RBY priorities?

Since none of the higher moves existed at the time (though some lower moves did) what was the priority structure in Gen I? Was it just +2, +1, 0, -1? TTEchidna 00:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Trivia?

Under the trivia section, the article mentions that Avalanche and Revenge are the only moves that can damage a Pokémon that has successfully used Focus Punch. But can't Counter do the same thing? Also, what about a 2on2 battle in which one successfully uses Focus Punch on another, and then a third uses Focus Punch on the first? It seems like this piece of trivia is wildly inaccurate. Yenreb 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

"Thus, they are the only two ATTACKS that can strike a Pokémon in the same turn it successfully uses Focus Punch."

I wouldn't consider Counter as an attack, as all it does is give back double the damage. And another reason it wouldn't be considered an attack is because noting happens if the user doesn't take any Physical damage. R.A. Hunter B. 18:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Move, attack, it's the same. But if you count Counter, you count Mirror Coat. However, the point is, both of those are supposed to return damage given, and so move last, unlike Avalanche and Revenge. TTEchidna 19:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Revenge and Avalanche

It says -4 Priority on Revenge and Avalanche is only in Gen IV, yet at the bottom of the Revenge move page it says "Misconceptions led many to believe that Revenge was a normal (non-priority) move in Generation III. Why this is the case is unknown, but the move has always been decreased priority, and is entirely provable." Is that a mistake or am I reading it wrong? Kaleidoscope 00:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)