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but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
but i created the original image. it says in the file history [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::then what should i do? should i delete the map? [[User:Pipcrew|Pipcrew]] 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. evkl 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --Greengiant 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==Jade 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)
And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - 振霖T 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as Filb.de claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.
Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --Unown Lord
What about the orange islands and fiore? Pokeant 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--Snorlax 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? TinaTheKirlia 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Pikachu's power? Definately. --Kyoufu Kawa 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I was watching Pokémon Shipwreck and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --File:Spr 3e 115.gifTheryguy512File:Spr 3e 202.gifFile:Spr 3e 327.gif 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

What the heck does that have to do with geography? --Zeta 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world Count Caterpie File:Ani010MS.gif 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--Nostalgia 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

About the real world locations mentioned section...

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, Blue was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France


Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by Abnormal Pokemon, and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.


Regarding the map...

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: japanforonceandforeverdz3.png Or maybe this is clearer: japanys0.png Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?


Deoxys reference

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. Ketsuban 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Antarctica or North Pole?

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? JirachiWishmaker0802 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had Electric Tale of Pikachu reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown Honolulu, Hawaii in that telling. --Shiningpikablu252 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. Weedle Mchairybug 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Could someone update the map?

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh.

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games.

Game Systems

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world?

Harlan County, Kentucky

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.The Aura Wolf !!!! 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Your what?--freezingCOLD (page, talk) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Lots of places have mines. He means perspective. — THE TROM — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. Weedle Mchairybug 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --Purimpopoie 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Map with Almia

I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one File:Pokemonworld.png --Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh.

Pepe Toño Macías

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. - unsigned comment from Mephisto (talkcontribs)

Other Articles?

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. Darien Shields 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. TTEchidna 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.
Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? Darien Shields 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Hoenn

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first. AutumnRain 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —darklordtrom 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Table Overload

This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and more tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. Redstar 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like Kinkaku-ji (Brass Tower), Ginkaku-ji (Tin tower), Mount Fuji (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. 梅子 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
300px with this
...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P 梅子 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I would have real information explaining why these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". Why are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. Redstar 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I do hope you saw the
175Togepi.png This article contains fan speculation.
There is no solid evidence for or against some parts of this article.
at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it is speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even because of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing why things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. Redstar 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? Redstar 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --electAbuzzzz 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) Redstar 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies? Oblivia artwork.png Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...- unsigned comment from Saiph charon (talkcontribs)

Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --AndyPKMN 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island. Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands. Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island. They all are part of the Oki Islands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oki_Islands.png

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulleungdo

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--flamin entei 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--Solid! 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

So, um, go for it? —darklordtrom 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of. Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series. --Solid! 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --pkmn master 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

Map of Side Games

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on a map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--Lamb(talk) 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games.

The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. Weedle Mchairybug 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --AndyPKMN 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)
If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. Weedle Mchairybug 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime.

Orre Section Revamp

I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --AndyPKMN 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. Weedle Mchairybug 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --AndyPKMN 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port

New Image

I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --AndyPKMN 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask.
First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --AndyPKMN 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —darklordtrom 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
ok i'll change themPipcrew 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —darklordtrom 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

but i created the original image. it says in the file history Pipcrew 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. TTEchidna 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
then what should i do? should i delete the map? Pipcrew 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)